Bannon Gives Off-the-rails Interview, Publicly Contradicts Trump on the Far Right and North Korea

In an interview with the American Prospect magazine, Bannon calls the far right a 'collection of clowns' and directly contradicts U.S. President Donald Trump on his North Korea strategy

Steve Bannon, chief White House strategist to President Donald Trump is seen in Harrisburg, Pa
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Steve Bannon went off-script Wednesday in an interview with American Prospect magazine, calling the far-right a collection of clowns and directly contradicting U.S. President Donald Trump on his North Korea strategy, saying "they got us" and "there is no military solution."

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Bannon also said the Democrats are destroying themselves with their focus on identity politics: "If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats, he said.

Bannon insisted that the United States is in an economic war with China and warned Washington is losing the fight, but that it is about to hit China hard over unfair trade practices.

"We're at economic war with China," he told U.S. news site prospect.org in an interview published in Wednesday.

According to Axioss Jonathan Swan, Bannon did not realize that he had agreed to an interview: Apparently Bannon never thought that the journalist might take his (very newsworthy) comments and turn them into a story. 

"It's in all their literature. They're not shy about saying what they're doing. One of us is going to be a hegemon in 25 or 30 years and it's gonna be them if we go down this path," Bannon was quoted as saying. "If we continue to lose it, we're five years away, I think, 10 years at the most, of hitting an inflection point from which we'll never be able to recover."

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said she had seen the report, and reiterated the essence of the China-U.S. trade relationship is mutually beneficial.

"In reality, China and the United States' long term cooperation has brought about real benefits for both countries' peoples, any unbiased person will clearly see this fact," she told a daily news briefing in Beijing.

"We have also said before, a trade war has no future. A trade war does not serve the interests of any party, as fighting a trade war will not produce a winner. We hope that relevant parties can stop viewing issues of the 21st century with a 19th- or 20th-century mentality."

Bannon said the United States would use Section 301 of the 1974 Trade Act against Chinese coercion of technology transfers from U.S. corporations doing business in China, and follow up with complaints against steel and aluminium dumping, according to prospect.org.

On Monday, Trump authorized an inquiry into China's alleged theft of intellectual property, in the first direct trade measure by his administration against Beijing.

"We're going to run the tables on these guys. We've come to the conclusion that they're in an economic war and they're crushing us," said Bannon, who acknowledged he was battling trade doves within the U.S. administration.

He said there was no reason to go soft on China in order to get Beijing's support over North Korea, because he believed China would do little more to rein in Pyongyang.

Bannon said he might consider a deal in which China got North Korea to freeze its nuclear build-up with verifiable inspections and the United States removed its troops from the Korean peninsula, but such a deal seemed remote, prospect.org reported.

In contrast to Trump's threat of "fire and fury" against North Korea, Bannon said: "Theres no military solution, forget it."

"Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that 10 million people in Seoul don't die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I dont know what youre talking about ..."

Asked about any connection between his economic nationalism and white nationalism in the United States, and in particular the racist violence in Charlottesville, Bannon said: "Ethno-nationalism — it's losers. It's a fringe element."

"I think the media plays it up too much, and we gotta help crush it, you know, uh, help crush it more. These guys are a collection of clowns."

However, Bannon, who formerly led the right-wing website Breitbart, said focusing on race would help the Republicans politically.