WATCH: Pat Buchanan Vigorously Defends Obama's Iran Deal

'I tell you, because plutonium can’t be produced under this agreement, and uranium, high grade uranium can’t be produced under this agreement, and that’s locked in. And without that, you ain’t got no bomb.'

The McLaughlin Group Transcript:

MCLAUGHLIN: I’ve got a question. How serious is the revelation that Iran’s military, he’s in charge of the assessment of whether it tried to develop nuclear weapons triggers at the Parchin base. Do you understand?

ROGAN: Yes, it’s very serious. And I think I’m probably the only one on the panel who’s skeptical of this deal. I think the people who are saying, there should be no enrichment as part of the deal. We’re wrong. It’s never going to happen. Khamenei would never have agreed to that.

But, look, the potholes in the deal are now becoming apparent. The problem with Parchin here, with the Iranian military controlling access is that they will conceal, because they’ve done it before. I suspect what is ultimately going to happen now is that, as panel suggests, the deal will get through. The president will have 34 votes.

But I think you will see Iran two to three years now beginning to cheat. They will cheat on ballistic missile technology.

(CROSSTALK)

ROGAN: And then they will be break out and then we will have a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

MCLAUGHLIN: Wait a minute, what about the side agreement between the IAEA -- 

ROGAN: Right, that’s what I’m talking about.

MCLAUGHLIN: Is that what you’re talking about?

ROGAN: Yes.

BUCHANAN: Yes.

MCLAUGHLIN: And Iran was kept secret from the Congress. The revelation has undermined confidence -- 

(CROSSTALK

ROGAN: I don’t know what they did that, because it’s going to come out.

PAGE: I think that revelation has been undermined, too, however.

CLIFT: That’s right.

PAGE: We’re talking about top secret negotiations and the parties are denying the accuracy of that report. So, I give it time. I mean, if Iran cheats -- 

ROGAN: But the text has come out today, though. The texts looks like the report (ph).

(CROSSTALK)

CLIFT: Well, President Trump will monitor the agreement once he’s in office, so we can all -- it will be the best agreement we’ve ever seen once, he cares for it. It will be fabulous.

BUCHANAN: What Parchin is all about, John, it’s a military base. It’s not a nuclear weapon site. They were apparently testing allegedly nuclear triggers or detonators. There was in 2003, before the program, according to the American intelligence agencies, all 16 shut down.

MCLAUGHLIN: Well since you’re so knowledgeable about this. How about this?

How important is it to know whether or not the Iranians tested nuclear triggers at Parchin?

BUCHANAN: Listen, our intelligence knows what they did. John Kerry said before the thing was signed, we know what they were up to.

CLIFT: If they -- 

MCLAUGHLIN: Is it crucial?

BUCHANAN: No, it is not.

MCLAUGHLIN: It is crucial to understanding how quickly Iran might be able to build a nuclear weapon, and the extent of Iran’s previous efforts -- 

BUCHANAN: No.

MCLAUGHLIN: -- to evade detection and misleading -- 

(CROSSTALK)

BUCHANAN: No, because -- I tell you, because plutonium can’t be produced under this agreement, and uranium, high grade uranium can’t be produced under this agreement, and that’s locked in. And without that, you ain’t got no bomb.

CLIFT: And the Energy Secretary, Ernest Moniz, is an expert on all this stuff. They’ve done extensive briefings with reporters, with lawmakers and if you listen to all the safeguards along the way, you come away as a believer. They won’t burp over there at 2:00 in the morning that we don’t know about it.

MCLAUGHLIN: Yes, why don’t you tell that to Obama? Because the town hall, this summer’s town hall meetings undermined Obama’s ability to maintain a veto proof level of congressional support. A new CNN/ORC poll shows 56 percent of the public opposed the agreement, only 41 percent support it.

CLIFT: Well, there’s been millions of dollars spent on negative advertising. But the deal is going to go through. I want to say -- 

(CROSSTALK)

CLIFT: -- get used to it.

BUCHANAN: People didn’t want to give away the Panama Canal either, John.

ROGAN: Well, this is -- they will weaponize first, though -- that’s the problem -- which is Parchin, they will build the ballistics, and then they will break up very quickly. That’s the snapback.

BUCHANAN: Why would they do that when Israel has got about 100 atom bombs and we got about 5,000?

ROGAN: Because it assures the revolution, it’s nuclear blackmail. I don’t think they would use it on Israel. But they will use it to --

(CROSSTALK)

ROGAN: Look at what they’re doing in Iraq and Lebanon. That’s the problem.

BUCHANAN: Look, in Syria and Iraq, they’re to stop ISIS.