Dorit Gad, 70; lives in Kfar Vradim, flying to the United States
Hi, can I talk to you? It’s for a column in Haaretz – we talk to someone who’s flying out and someone who’s just landed.
Yes, I know the column. It’s the only thing I look at on Fridays, because I’ve stopped reading newspapers.
I don’t like propaganda. You know, everything that’s said is a lie, a lie and another lie. I live in a world of truth, not in a world of lies.
Where do you find truth?
In the heart.
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What do you do?
I am happily retired. I was a historian.
What led you to take up history?
When you grow up in a home with parents who are Holocaust survivors and you don’t understand why the Holocaust happened, and then you start learning history in school and you see that the Jews were only persecuted and persecuted, and you still don’t get answers from anyone – you start to investigate by yourself. Within me there was a great scream that asked what it means to be a Jew, especially as I was born into an atheistic home. God only entered our home to be told that he was not behaving well.
So you’re not an atheist.
I don’t want to define myself. The word “define” comes from a root meaning “fence” [in Hebrew], and I don’t want to fence myself in. We have not come here in order to be restrained. The system is constantly trying to build fences and put people into little boxes, and it’s a mistaken system. I know the system from the inside: I trained teachers for 30 years.
What does the system actually do?
It fills you up and wants you to regurgitate. The big questions of why there is actually life on Earth – that’s what needs to be asked, that’s what’s truly fascinating. Let’s say we received the gift of shekerona [roughly, “corona lie”] so that we will stop living within the lie.
You don’t believe that the coronavirus exists?
There is shekerona. It’s not a natural virus in the way of other viruses on the planet; this is a multiyear manipulation. It was engineered with American funding. Why? Because there is what’s known as the transparent rulers, who manage things here, and everything we play at in the game of democracy is just a game. These things are part of an attempt to give people the feeling that it is only this Earth that is populated – when actually the whole cosmos is populated, and the galaxies are full of life.
That’s not a popular view.
Take the story of Noah, which is ostensibly a splendid myth, but which today we know that, both geologically and climatologically, and with all possible logical explanations, actually happened – and which by the way can soon be expected here, too. Noah built the ark in the course of so many years, and all the people came and looked at the conspirator and ridiculed him, and in the end he was the one who was chosen, because he was a righteous man in his generation.
Would you term yourself a conspiracy theorist?
To begin with you have to define the term “conspiracy theory.” It’s something that essentially entered discourse by means of the CIA, and it’s very important to examine what the CIA is. I’ll leave that question open, so the readers will also have something to investigate, but let’s say that the CIA is not a paragon of virtue.
Have you seen evidence of the shadow rulers in your own research?
We know that history is written by the winners, and winners will write history as they would like it to be perpetuated in our memory, which in any case is not so terrific. We are stricken with amnesia from the moment we come into the world. We arrive as souls that take the form of a flesh-and-blood body. What is unique about this planet is that we are made to forget infinite knowledge. As a soul we are infinite, eternal; we know things from beginning to end. There is an interesting experiment taking place on this planet, and there are planets with other experiments.
That’s for the next time that I sit here and you ask me questions.
Will there be a next time?
Let’s put it this way: The universe is infinite. Even at the level of those who are here. There are very, very, very old souls here, and there are souls of novices – of people who got here 2,000, 3,000, 5,000 years ago.
I’m interested in what you were like as someone who trained teachers.
I allow the dynamic to remain within me. The question is how far the conventions hemmed me in, and I can definitely say that there was always an internal struggle within me between what I was going through inside and what is right.
You said you studied history because you wanted to understand why the Holocaust happened. Did you come to any conclusions?
No. I left the Holocaust. Death frightened me very much, because I grew up in a home filled with the dead. That was my doctoral thesis, the attitude toward death in the era of the Bible and the Talmud. It was a journey of eight years of hope.
What will you be doing in the United States?
Taking a journey to the light. We are now at the outset of a period which it’s beyond us to even imagine how good it will be, because imagination is also based on fragments of experiences. But we are going toward a wonderful world. “And there was light.”
So there’s nothing to fear?
Fear is the absence of love. When you live in love there’s nothing to fear. What is there to be afraid of, tell me.
Devorah Weiner, 42; lives in Modi’in, arriving from Philadelphia
Hi Devorah, what were you doing in Philadelphia?
My mother had hip-replacement surgery and I wanted to be there for her. I’m a physiotherapist. I was in the hospital and I also helped her at home.
How long did you stay with her?
I was there for two weeks, at my childhood home. It’s the first time I was there since the start of the coronavirus.
What was it like to return to the house where you grew up?
Weird. It’s the first time I’ve been there without my children and my husband, just me and my parents. Straightaway I went back to being a girl. I went out with college friends who still live in the area. In the middle of the night my mother phone me up: “Where are you? I’m worried.” Mom, I’m 42, are you serious?
Hang on, let’s go back in time. You made aliyah.
Yes. I came to Israel for the first time when I was 16, on a youth movement trip. When the trip ended I knew this was the place I wanted to live. Eleven years ago I became pregnant and I knew that if we didn’t make aliyah before the birth, we would never do it. My husband and I came on aliyah when I was in my eighth month.
Yes. It was in the fall, I came wearing a sweater and a turtleneck, and then we landed and it was so hot. I wanted to cry. That’s how I discovered that autumn in Israel is a lie, just a lie. It’s a joke in our family – the world is so big, why are the Jews in the Middle East, of all places? But you get used to it.
Where did you live when you arrived?
In Modi’in, where we still are.
Wasn’t it strange moving from the U.S. to a small place like Modi’in?
I did find it strange in Modi’in, but not necessarily because of that. There is no diversity there. There are religious and nonreligious people, but everyone is the same, everyone is middle class, even the buildings look alike. In Philadelphia there’s everything. Different people, different places, and everyone goes to school together. I’m a lot more open-minded because of that, I don’t judge people. I’m sorry for my kids because they don’t have that. On the other hand, I may have given up diversity for them, but I gained something: There’s so much antisemitism in the world now, that I feel I’m in the safest place for a Jew. I hear about friends who are experiencing antisemitism in England, in the U.S. Even my father said I’d made the right decision.
Is there a gap between you and your children because you grew up in a different place?
Yes, but I used to be worried about something else. I didn’t want them to look down on me. It’s sad, but that’s how we look at people who have an accent – it’s the same in the U.S. I was afraid they’d look at me and think, “You’re from a different place, a different country, you have an accent,” but I don’t think that’s happening. We have a good connection. It’s hard mainly when their friends come over and I speak to them, and the friend says, “Why are you speaking English?” But I was speaking Hebrew! I have a doctorate in physiotherapy, but speak Hebrew like a fifth-grader.
It’s hard to translate your personality via another language.
Yes, you feel stupid. There’s a rule that when an Israeli friend comes for dinner we speak Hebrew at the table. If it’s just us, we speak English. But my son’s best friends also have English-speaking parents; there’s a big community here.
And that makes things easier?
I actually don’t like it. There are children who have an American accent even though they were born here. I’m an immigrant – I want my children to be Israelis.
Plenty of Israelis want the opposite: to give their kids the opportunity to leave this country.
If my husband and I are here, I want my children to be here, too. I don’t want them to do to me what I did to my parents.
Have you ever thought about what would’ve happened if you hadn’t come on aliyah?
In terms of making money from PT, things are much better in the U.S. In Israel, if you want to earn well, you have to open a private clinic. There are countries that have preventive medicine, where people go to PT to improve their health before it becomes an emergency, especially in Europe. It’s not like that here or in the U.S. People don’t have time to take care of their bodies, until there’s a problem. I’ve seen people after an operation and thought that it’s a pity, because they didn’t have to end up in surgery, I could have helped them before.