Troubling questions from Dubai
What initially seemed like a 'clean' operation turned out to be wracked by negligent mishaps.
Haaretz Editorial Tags: Israel Mossad Hamas Israel newsIf Israel is behind last month's assassination of senior Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, it may be assumed that anybody who tried to appropriate some of the glory regrets it now. Dubai's police investigation may present the Israeli government and intelligence community with tough questions, even if the government did not take responsibility for the assassination, which the foreign press attributes to the Mossad. What at first seemed like a "clean" operation turned out to be wracked by negligent mishaps.
First of all, did the goal and outcome justify the risk of carrying out a hit in a moderate Arab country and of exposing the intelligence community's modus operandi? Or did the operational opportunity to get rid of an individual responsible for past terror attacks and current weapons smuggling encourage those who approve and carry out such actions to waive some of the rules of caution?
Second, in a tense period in which Israel is trading threats of war with Iran and its allies in the region, should Israel be goading the enemy instead of maintaining restraint?
Third, is it right, because of this hit, to embarrass the authorities in the United Arab Emirates, who share with Israel the fear of the Iranian threat? Fourth, in preparation for the operation, were the risks of exposure and restrictions on similar future actions taken into account?
Fifth, is there justification in damaging relations with friendly European countries whose passports were used by Mabhouh's assassins?
Sixth, is it proper to place in harm's way the Israelis whose identities were ostensibly stolen and used by the assassins? The fear of identity theft recalls dark regimes, and such an action seems to do disproportionate damage.
Should all Jews considering coming to live in Israel from the West be concerned that their names might be linked with espionage and terror incidents throughout the world? Stricter security rules at airports and border crossings make things harder on the intelligence services. But does the response require endangering the liberty, and perhaps even the lives, of civilians whose identities were used without their knowledge in a secret operation?
All these questions, particularly the claims of identity theft, need to be closely scrutinized. Lessons must be learned for the future, and the findings must be exposed to the light of day.
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Amazing to see that nobody seems preocupied by the banalization of murdering, as if it was perfectly legal and routine job : suspected to be a murderer, we have the right to kill him without any trial. Where will this kind of rationale drive your society ??
rest. The fact of the matter is this terrorist, evil man, who thought he was above the law in the name of whatever, was wrong and he payed the ultimate price. He's not a martyer or a hero he dead finite. Resistance is defended by self preservation, you bedouin/arabs dont play by the rules so why should anyone else, there it is said. Now where are we, back at the same conclusion this terrorist is dead forever, and his like will also be killed in the name of self perservation, no tit for tat only for keeps, so there is your answer to palley resistence and the hand that feeds this in the name conquest and power your days are numbered !!!
I still believe there is much more to this story and that Israel is not the assasin. Too many mistakes, passports of Israelis, credit cards -all easily identified. Na, it wasn't Israel. It was someone wanting it to look like it was Israel. Otherwise Israel should dismantle its intelligence services and start over because they blew it big time.
official media in Arabic. When can we expect some responsibility from their blind supporets instead of turning a blind eye?
Imagine the hue and cry if this was a 17 man hit squad of the CIA ir MI5 in a friendly country. The world would be up in arms. Sadly this will be old news tomorrow.
After watching the hit videos it will be easy to pick out Mossad agents in the Middle East. They all wear baseball hats, have full heads of fake hair, and walk around in circles in on their cell phones.
You missed my point. "Goldstone us", as in "do it". If you've got rocks, now is the time to throw. I get "Israel's problem". Hunting is not a group sport. Israelis need to figure that out.
However, Bush did claim privileg knowledge of passport found in the 9/11 inferno. If this was the case was he being treated like a 'mushroom' or did he really know what was going on. Waterboard him and dispatch him to l'Hauge.
IDENTITY THEFT .STOLEN PASSPORTS .REMIND US OF THE 9\11 HIJACKERS WHO ATTACKED THE TOWERS IN THE USA THE PASSPORT WERE FOUND THE FACES WERE FACES of people STILL ALIVE IN SAUDI,WELL, THAT WAS THE RUMMER THOSE DAYS,
If the persons whose passports were duplicated are Israeli dual nationals, then it seems obvious to the UK, Ireland, France, and Germany that only Israel intelligence had access to this information. This would indicate Israel's clear involvement.
If Israel is behind this operation, they have full support of the Iranian people. I personally kiss their hands. Please do the same to Ahmadinejad and Khameneie so the rest of the world and Iranians can have peace in their own country.
Dubai. The net is closing around all these murderers far & wide. Small fish, big fish.No escape from the net. To quell this 'merry-go-round' of screeching & screeming by countries that carry out even more such operations. Whoever did it, should without too much delay,either capture,or bump off a bigger fish. It must be of such value as to send shock waves throughout the region. In this way the focus will automatically turn to this new direction. Let no murderers of our people feel safe anywhere. Give them no quarter.Chase them to the ends of the earth if necessary. We've had enough of them. CHALAS !
Sure. The Mossad could have been involved. But the question that troubles me is what if they werent? Innocent until proven what? What about proof? There is none. Names of Olim on fake passports could be just as easily tied to framing the Mossad as it can be tied to correctly labeling it as the organization that carried out the hit. Israel and Hamas have a lot of enemies. Some of them mutual. There are other possible options, but the majority want to focus on one. Do i think it's possible that the Mossad was involved? Sure. The real troubling question for the talkbacks is why most of you find it impossible that the Mossad wasn't involved.
Even if the group of assassins were identified it is more than likeley they may not know who they were really working for. We have faces but no names and when eventually we have the names it will tell us no more than the faces.
Answer that, and dumb presumption of guilt accusations against Israel may be characterized as being slightly more than "silly"
For those of you who do not read the NY Times, here is their take: "Officially, Israel has neither confirmed nor denied involvement in the case, as is customary in delicate matters of intelligence and national security. But since the news of the assassination broke last month, Israel has unofficially made the story its own, with newspapers blaring congratulatory headlines and government ministers praising Mossad?s director." "However, then the Dubai police released images showing some of the 17 people suspected of being in the hit squad bumbling about in poor disguises, and Britain became infuriated by the use of faked British travel documents. Now Israelis are wondering whether their once-famed spy service could have been behind such a sloppy job or, in a John Le Carré-like twist, if Israel could have been framed."
I am surprised the israelis have not blamed Goldstone for the murder. He did everything else
u got to take out those responsible for trying to rain terror missiles onto yr cities... what do ya think this is a harry potter movie.
Israel has already answered all of them. It is choosing to be confrontational and it doesnt give a damn for foreign nationals or their own bi nationals in this debacle. Their only regret here is that they were caught and that they botched the operation. They simply are not what they used to be but then what is in this forlorn country that has lost its moral compass?
Israel doesnt give a damn. It's only regret is that it may turn out that it was caught in a muddled affair. That is all that is on their conscience, not placing nationals either of other countries or their own in danger. They will lie their way out of it as they did with New Zealand and Australia in 2005. They are doing their best to provoke a confrontation on a number of fronts to get the pressure off on arriving at negotiations. In the meantime they grab all the land they can.
my cousin for one has a uk passport a south african passport and a us passport all legal and genuine her daughter has four countries if you are so naive that you think israel is the only country whose intelligence services use forged appsports ! think again
is there a mole in the uk passport office ? if so who is the mole working for ?
All these questions would seem to be perfect reasons for a rogue regime to have done this operation - clumsily laying it all at Israel's feet. Read them again and see the damage it has done and how clever of our enemies to do this "in our name"
Could be frame up!
the quality of mosaad operations has significantly deteriorated.i believe they need some help from india.they did a good job thirty years ago(with help from raw)to kill ziaul haq of pakistan along with his top generals and until now no questions raised successfully against mosaad.they have messed up catching a small fish,unbelievable!
As typical for that maybe nuclear arms drama.
What is so entertaining about this particular "talkback" is its diversity in placing blame. The majority, as usual, find it appealing to blame Israel because that is what they do all too often. The reality, however, is that none of us know who is responsible. Probably won't find out either. Botched conspiracy as some say? Hardly think so. Not when Interpol, et al, are running around like "chickens with their heads cut off". What we do know is that one less murdering terrorist is off the streets forever and whomever pulled this off is feeling pretty good about it.....I am too. And please don't lecture me about protocols and niceties. They left the station long ago. Just desserts if you ask me....So, Hail to the Kings...You have your job to do, but so do I.
While she is in London in the next few days to shame the British nation as she announced, she will probably shame it also for not lending willfully fake passports to Mossad.
due process lincoln? or are you omnipotent and you KNOW who did it... you along with all the other israel-jew haters have rushed to judgement so fast hat you're all tripping all over yourselves..it's really a site to behold...kind of comical-sad... are you 100% sure iran didn't do it? they would be happy to sacrifice one of their own to frame israel, especially with all the heat on their nuke program right now..maybe this mabhouh was compromised and iran needed to get rid of him? seems to me my american friend, you want due process for KSM types, but not for jews...very illuminating indeed lincoln...
I am appalled at the Anti-British comments here. Britain has a Jewish Foreign Minister, a Jewish Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary,there are four other current Jewish cabinet members, two Jewish Law Lords and 40 odd Jewish life peers in the Lords.The Speaker of the Commons is Jewish. Three recent Home Secretaries and the last head of the Conservative party are Jewish,if there is a change of goverment neary a third of the Cabinet will be Jewish or married to Jews. David Cameron, while not Jewish himself,is proud of his Jewish ancestry and his two best chums are Nat Rothschild and Oliver Letwin. In Britain there is antisemitism in the pub, but not on the street. There is no Aryan Nation or Stormfront in Britain--but with pratts like these,there may be one day!
which fits its motives . The questions are irrelevant if Israel did not do it . The names of Israeli citizens on false passes actually makes Israel a victim of ID theft . Arabs have plenty of reasons , and are very capable of murdering each other , as history shows , while blame Israel . This possibility Haaretz does not even mention .
iF mOSSAD DID IT TERRUBLE TIMING. bUT THEN AGAIN MESSAGE SENT OUT TO THE WORLD jEWISH BLOOD NOT CHEAOP. wHY DOESNT iSRAEL DROP LITERATURE ON HOW MUCH WAS SPENT BY THEIR GUY IN dUBI, aRENT THE pAL STARVING
Ussishkin is right. The extrapolation of this is that in the long-term, only a definitive political settlement with its neighbours and co-habitees will secure Israel's future as a viable and self-supporting state. Yes, it is the difficult path. People may well disagree with this, but that's my view. Extremism breeds only more extremism; it's a vicious cycle with no ultimate point other than perpetuating war and those who profit from war. Leverage in the US political structure will only work for as long as the USA is the 'sole hyper-power' or (as in the past) a 'binary superpower' and in any case it perpetuates an essentially dependent and addictive existential relationship. Meanwhile, the legion of desert nukes promises only Armageddon (or 'MAD' as it used to be called) - a Cuban Missile Crisis-on-Cocaine - which is something for which the Millennial Evangelical Right in the US longs, but which no-one else this side of psychosis ought really be seeking.
Right now there is no doubt an intense investigation going on in both Hamaas and Fatah to determine the degree of Israeli penetration of their organizations revealed in Dubai. Names are known, and it is inevitable that vital intelligence networks will be revealed and burned. There are also folks fuming across Europe, Britain, France, Germany. . . One must wonder why Israel would risk the affront went the question of Iran Sanctions are on the table. Jews, world wide and in Israel now know that the Netanyahu gang will incriminate them just for the pleasure of whacking a single bad guy. Far too many people were exposed and that single fact has led to the unravelling of the operation. One must question whether burning that many Mossad agents and operatives was intentional to create a response from either the Palestinians or Iran. I have no problem with whacking the Hamas guy, This operation, however, raises big questions about the competence, if not sanity of the men running Israel.
I'm sure they were by mistake. The U.S. military, so far as I know, doesn't hunt down civilians for sport. Neither does the IDF. My point is that Israel is not using any unique guidelines for its military or its intelligence services. We do all the same things, expect no one in our country ever bothers to wonder or worry about it.
Interesting rant there - first of all, without Europe, Israel has nothing, if Israel says screw them then why can't they say that back when selling real arms and nukes to Iran? The UK is the best ally of the US, sharing faith, a common language and history - don't get ahead of yourself - or else never again, becomes OY VEY ! AGAIN! I am a jew and an American but you have to be smart about this - if Israel continues to isolate itself it WILL LOSE - because of avarice and arrogance - of which the stench of it has already reached the heavens - romans or babylonians all over again.
Actually we prosecuted the perps families for failing to inform the authorities that these individuals were about to mount a terrorist attck. Also they crossed into Israel from Jordan via the Allenby Bridge. Apart from those two minor details not a bad attempt. So I suppose if and when Israel has been found to have improperly used British Documents we should invite them for cucumber sandwiches and a cup of Earl Grey Tea?
Of course, the intelligence community of the west comprises honorable men who would never carry out extra-judicial kidnapping or murder, or assist those who do. Least of whom MI5. If you believe all that, I could sell you a bridge in New York.
why is no one asking how the dubai goverment allows arms trade and terorsts to roam dubai without lifting a finger? this tells me that they have a hand in teror. this killing will do good to send a message to dubai goverment that it will no longer be tolertated. who needs frens like these if the can allow terorists to roam freely. look this terorist felt so secure in dubai that he didnt even have a body guard. what does this tell us?
(or trying to blow up ) the Glasgow airport was palestinian ,just like 80% of the Hashemite Kingdom is. In case of the factual kidnapping of Royal Marines by Iran the GB had not displayed a fraction of the indignation she is now expressing because of the not proven allegations about the Major Crime ,usage of Brit passports. The next time you take the tube or bus in London ,remember the perpetrators had not been stopped in time because the British authorithies didn't cooperated fully in investigation of the "Mike Place" bombing in Tel Aviv ,by members of the Pakistani community in London ,genuine bearers of genuine British passports.
Israel has so many friends around the World that now Britain now can be become one of Israels enemies?The only crime that that Britain has committed is that some of its Jewish citizens have changed their name from Goldshmidt to Smith and gone to live in Israel?David Milliband our foreign secretary may not be a practicing Jew but he is no enemy of Israel.With our own country being attacked by terrorists many Britains support what Israel is doing in their fight against the same foe.Be proud of your security services assasinating an evil murderer. Or are their fifth colomunists at work on this messageboard?
no botched job, no defraud of own civilians, and the maid lied, and ehud didn't do it, and ayalon didn't do it, and ex-treasury minister didn't do it just ask them and countless others like katzav and the army guy b4 him all will tell you they didn't do it. So new zealand, canada, switzerland and now its ireland austria britain france germany who is it tomorrow nobody just ask they'll tell you, nobody well maybe micronesia/
Everyone is so happy to accuse Israel. The arabs are jumping at the opportunity, and all the allies as well.... I really hope it is not Israel, and then Israel can SUMMON the ambassadors of all these countries so that they can apologies. Of course the news that it is not Israel will be on page 12.... so common people around the world won't know about it, and maintain their anti israel opinions.
Israel will never learn, This is how they want to be a country where they can scare and occupy land not belong to them and danger Israeli citenzen for their agenda. Israel goverment dont give a hut! Is time the world re-assess what Israel is become and stop weapon and support!I want my tax dollar where it belong in USA!!!
It couldn't be a better time than the current one to display some "muscles" in the international arena. Lets not forget the activities of the man in question: a threat to the national interest of a LEGITIMATE member of the UN. Yes, England has gone beyond any sensioble limit in its pursuit to extend its extra mural jurisdiction. Yes, Nordic States couldn't care less about dissiminating the "organs" trade, while over a decade it was known that the British, the French, the Italians were trading with infant organs. Overall, it's never good, in an ideal world, to use such means to justify the end: INTEREST OF A NATION, under threat. Thus, the lack of forsight has given the writer a bogus, a doctrinarial and assymitric analysis of the actual left over from the necessary extra territoriality of Israeli defense.
So you think the UK assasinated a Hamas official in Dubai. I wonder why? Oh yes, because Hamas launches attacks in London and Birmingham. Hamas is holding a Royal Marine hostage. And of course let's not forget that Hamas is reponsible for the deaths of a number of UK citizens. I can understand patriotism and loyalty to your country, but do you even think before you make ridiculous allegations? Did Ireland also conspire to "stab Israel in the back" or maybe France and Germany too. Take a minute to think before you declare your de-facto "Any criticism of it is baseless" stance. Regarding your charge that Britain is not friendly because it "spies" on Israel. That is a ridiculous statement. Do you think the US does not spy on Israel, or UK and vice versa. Being friendly with each other does not mean you would not want to know what another country is doing. Only when that intelligence is used against you can actions be termed 'unfriendly'.
But the Foreign Press knows better (sure... sure...)
Gone are the days we were sneakingly applauded for our acts of bravado. A former Foreign Ministry Director General once told an 80 year old veteran of The War of Independence that "Israel does not do humility". The international community is fed up with an Israel that behaves like a rogue state but wants to be accepted into that community. We're losing our few friends fast - Turkey, now the UK - Ireland has always had an uncertain relationship with us, despite the common cause the IRA and Yitzhak Shamir and friends made against the British - and in the past 24 hours, thanks to Danny Ayalon's snub, even worse clouds over our relationship with the most vital ally of all - the USA. We behave as if we need no norms to constrain us, but when we try to do what we used to do so well - or get away with them - wars, anti-terror - we are prone to errors. And those cost us a lot more than we're prepared to admit. So we admit nothing as if it'll all go away. None of it will.
If Israel is behind the scene; this is a bad example of the political power in Israel. The politicians think that they can do what they want to do. This is very dangerous for the democracy, international community and innocent people. The question is: What they have done and we do not know. Israel does not deserve this kind of political power.
Of course Mossad did not do it, how can Western media be so stupid as to think for even one second Mossad did this? Anyone with a brain knows it's not Mossad, it's Santa Claus.
No one has a right to kill those who oppose them. Other peoples have rights too and who is to say their grivences against us are wrong and they should be barred or indeed eliminated? That's beastly behavior and it has no place in a civil and law abiding society. Dutch P.S This has Americans all worked up over drone attacks (actually assasinations) in Afghanistan and they are taking to the streets next month across US capitals (in solidarity) to protest such unlawful and unGodly attacks. It's the ultimate in bullying power and it shames us. http://www.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=m20_homepage
Since Israel (and the US) seem to think that killing any one they want, where ever they want, is perfectly OK, it could create a condition where it is perfectly OK to kill Israelis and Americans where ever they are. When senior Israeli political and business leaders start getting killed outside Israel, Will Israelis feel the same as they do now? So far not many Israelis have been assassinated during their travels, but that could change. As the old story goes ... what is good for the goose is good for the gander. What goes around, comes around. Israel may have just started a dangerous escalation to the ongoing war between Israel and Islam. Are Israelis aware that they can not win forever and the last loss will be a bad one?
It should not be disturbing the peace across Israel's borders but safe guarding it.... Dutch
it appears to add up; but it really doesn't.
Yes, it is possible, if this was an act by an organ of the Israeli state, that this was a display of arrogance and a the waving of a blood flag to enemies: 'Look at us, we can do what we want, when we want, where we want, and can and we will get clean away with it: Be afraid, be very afraid'. But not only is this very worrying and irresponsible in itself - as the editorial suggests, playing Russian roulette with Middle East politics is not a good idea; poker is the normative game - the swagger is also symptomatic, it seems to me, of a profound, and possibly systemic, a complacency not dissimilar to that displayed in the invasion of Lebanon in 2006. One wonders whether such hubris is rooted in the certain knowledge of active US acquiescence. Nothing new, then.
British Olim are generally seen as British first (and therefore responsible for British actions during and at the conclusion of the Mandate), and Jewish, second (and Jewish has little meaning within Israel). So it is easy to see how stealing the identities from people considered primarily to be traitors (British), could be 'justified' in the minds of the insane.
I feel good to be a only European citizen so far because this kind of thing will not happen to me. To think that an Israeli agency may steal the identity of its own citizens is clearly worrying and indeed, will make potential Olim think twice.
2 Brits with authentic Brit passports. They obtained the bomb during their visit to Gaza and avoided discovey by travelling back with British journalists in a car,foolishly exempted from controls("freedom of the press" crowd should be appeased). They were both killed after fulfilling their deed(one died in explosion and the second one drowned in the sea while trying to escape ) and murdering a French waitress in the cofee shop. What Britain did ? Apologized ? No ,demanded explanations how and why the perps died..
The identification 0f all the assassins is only a matter of time, with all these fingerprints left behind. No wonder. The British and the Irish, whose national insitiutions/passports were also misued are working closely to identify the real criminals sooner than later-
There are only two possibilities: 1. It's mossad, which has then been shown to be sloppy and rather careless. The operation may have been a tactical "success" but a strategic and political failure. 2. it's someone else, who fingered israel in a false flag, in which case the operation was professionally executed and rather successful. Just look at the fall-out! I'd say that both scenarios should be highly worrisome for israel. Though I'd say the second possibility, as you pointed out, would be by far the more troubling. Well, fortunately for Israel, it is also less likely. In which case we are back to sloppiness, bad strategic planning and, of course, the usual moraL BLINDNESS and contempt for law. BTW, as I said on another thread, I believe Dubai authorities were tipped off that something was going down. May be by the same hamas double agent? in which case there are even more worries for israel....
How many British citizens live in Israel today?nothing easier than going to the right government office and collecting names of British citizens that have emigrated to Israel. Forging passports can be done by any government agency and I mean any. Too obvious to have been an Israeli hit.
"an enemy of Israel was able to obtain specifically the names of prople with joint UK and Israeli passports and select those without Jewish names, fake passports intheir name and carry out this operation. Enemies of Israel will have penetrated Israeli security and obtained important personal information which means that no one is safe." Martin Sir, All this could be easily done in London.
I don't think that the Mossad did it. They would not use passports of Israeli citizens and let point the finger back at Israel, It looks more like an EU plot, or more specifically, a British plot.
Nothing I have seen so far shows that Israel did this hit. Why would Mossad use stolen Israeli identies? Why would they forge British passports, which they have solemnly promised not to do? Why would they do this thing for all the reasons given in Haaretz? Let's wait for some evidence before all the condemnations.
Would Israel be stupid enough to go through all that trouble to kill only one Terrorist? Israel has killed many before Mabhoud such as Yassin and with the blink of an eye. No, it was not Israel this time.
Maybe one of the lessons here is that no-one can kill Jews anymore with impunity.
Not because I have any sympathy for the dead terrorist. You know... Israel, IF (BIG IF) those retinal scans are a match and nothing is being faked, I can't go out on a limb here. All the Burstons and the Yosemites can't save the Mossad from... I don't know. Whatever the repercussions of something like that are. I'm not going to say anymore because maybe it was a setup like I said before. Let's hope Mossad is innocent and the case is closed as far as Jews are concerned. The end.
Identity theft is a gross violation of civil rights. Was it sheer arrogance that made the perpetrators think that they could get away with the operation? If it was carried out by a country/organization hostile to Israel then exposing a few Israeli citizens holding a foreign passport would not bother them; however, if it was the Mossad, then their actions were unforgivable. I would say that identify theft feels almost like rape. Certainly, the victims have been exposed to real danger and are at risk if they want to leave the country (most would have family abroad). The means used to carry out the operation did not justify the end, however loathsome the terrorist was. The damage done to innocent people, not to speak of Israel's already black image, is uncountable.
If the U.S CIA assassinated Osama Bin Laned, would it be a bad thing? I don't think so.
If Mossad didn't do it, then people should be even more concerned. It would mean that an enemy of Israel was able to obtain specifically the names of prople with joint UK and Israeli passports and select those without Jewish names, fake passports intheir name and carry out this operation. Enemies of Israel will have penetrated Israeli security and obtained important personal information which means that no one is safe.
Since Dubai has all these photographs of the supposed hit team, does Dubai also have photographs of all the nuclear weapons components smugglers that regularly pass through Dubai?
Those civilians we killed in Afghanistan were completely by mistake. Are you threatening to Goldstone us? Don't even think about it.
You assume that Mossad ran the operation. This may not have been the case and there is significant intelligence information making that rounds that suggests that they were not. If Mossad did not do the hit do you suggest in your "lessons" that Mossad in the future act to protect Arab terrorists and killers? Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was a popular name on many hit-lists. In his business dealings he made a large number of enemies including within his own organization.
So Israel kills a Hamas operative who by all accounts was a smuggler and a terrorist, with no civilian casualties. What exactly is the issue here? We're really at the point where we're troubled by spies using fake passports? Seriously? This is hardly even the most troubling War on Terror related incident this week (that prize goes to the accidental killing of 8 civilians in Afghanistan, which of course recieved a tenth of the coverage this story has).
we have all read and seen many pictures of the passports used by the so called hit team...But we have not seen yet the passport used by the terrorist and by whom it was issued..it was stated that he to used a fraudelent passport..so lets see that already
After months of calm in the area, we are back to sleeping with one eye open. Why do we need to be part of this police state, Bibi?
Bibi clearly didn't learn anything from the debacle of the attempt on Khalid Meshal last time this nincompoop was PM did he? Paul McGeough's excellent book "Kill Khalid" should be required reading for all those Israeli's who think Mossad know what they are doing. In that case they used Canadian false passports and some learnt English in Australia.
Are assassinations in broad daylight appropriate behavior for a civilized country? do these "targeted assassinations" not look more like mafia hits than proper responses to security threats? do they compromise the rule of law or do they flaunt it? and if the law is flaunted and made light of for one side, shouldn't israel expect it's adversaries to respond in kind? do not hits get counter-hits? From what I read, the murdered hamas guy was responsible for a military operation in which enemy soldiers got killed, who happened to be israelis. but then israel carried out any number of killings of palestinian 'soldiers' whether militant or civilians. After all, if this hamas person deserved summary execution, should ashkenazi not expect the same? or barak? or any israeli general or soldier? Alas, once the moral high ground is relinquished, all that's left is mafia-style justice. That, the editorial never questions. And that is a far bigger problem than one botched operation.
All these questions.....why make it sound that Israel is responsible?? Why put negative thoughts in the brains of the international community?? why feel sorry for a terrorist. How does anyone judge as to how anyone knew that this charactor was leaving Syria to go to Dubai if it is'nt the arab community itself. Hamas recently admitted to producing forged passport & printed US dollar bills, so why not put your suspicion on then. Who know exactly what really happened. How could he have travelled without his bodyguards and travel & stay alone at a hotel. And why would anyone require eleven plus people to commit this type of a crime on a lone person. THINK!! because it is very easy to put the blame on the Israeli. Even Dubai police has been changing their talk every day & just surmizing without facts.
What he has done years ago in Jordan (attempt assassination of Khaled Meshaal) is being repeated: a miscalculated act! He did not learn from his previous mistakes! He has proven that he is not just a liar, he is incompenent too!
my guess? iran. this guy was running arms for iran and hamas, and the mullahs might have either used him or felt he was somehow compromised in some way that to get rid of him and make it look like it was israelis using european passports suited their agenda perfectly...split the EU even further from israel and distract the west from the current heat of the nuclear issue... my guess is iran. I smell a rat and I'm convinced iran did this to further the wedge in EU israel relations... and ask yourselves this; why did iran and hamas offer to conduct their own investigations immediately and with such fanfare? that's not their style...seems they want people to think it couldn't possibly be them...
I would not call Britain Friendly or most of Europe for that matter they are spying on Israel through the left wing groups NGOS in Israel. Besides this was a setup pure and simple by the UK who either ran the operation with Fatah and Jordan using Israeli born UK citizens UK passports to throw the trail to Israel or this was a joint effort of Israel Jordan and the PA and the UK provided the stolen passports deliberately pointing to Israel as the plot originator. Either way the UK stabbed Israel in the back. But in any respect the Hamas official should have been assassinated.
I think the most important aspect is the potential jeopardy to the lives of those innocent named individuals living as citizens in Israel
I fear, that while all of Bradley's questions are important, that the snowball in Hades is more likely to not melt than Israel coming clean.
No proof that the Israelis were behind this? Come on - you have done things like this before, remember the Canadian passports given to your agents to assassinate someone in Jordan? When caught by the Jordanians who were suspicious of the two "Canadians" they asked them what the capital of Canada was. "Toronto"!!!!! Just a little glitch...had the intended victim not survived your guys would have been accused of murder and hanged...but as it was they were let go (with lots of secret negotiations between the two sides and the release of Sheikh Yasin...) Don't worry Israel, this time your people got away, but your reputation is tarnished by what the international media put out out there, all over the world...I guess they are just making this all up and they are anti-semitic anyway - so what's new?
In a time when it needs to show that it can act responsibly Israel holds up its middle finger to the world and insists on displaying that it is a rogue state, hellbent on its own delegetimization and self destruction. It's own hubris will bring the Zionist state down one day. Israel helps to recruit new members for Hamas, acts like a gangster state outside the law, causes another diplomatic row with several European countries and shows that earlier promises (not to abuse foreign passports) are worthless. Against all these negatives the purported aim: to project a tough, uncompromising image, is of very little and highly questionable benefit.
Absolutely! Israeli society in general and its leaders, in particular, will stop at nothing in their fanatic lawlessness. At nothing, even at the risk of endangering the lives of their own poor, innocent compatriots. If it turns out that the Mossad did it, and there are strong indications it did, it's hard to imagine the defenders of such action claiming the high moral ground. They are too far gone into the gutter of amorality. What a sick society!
how about the Mosad?s reputation, it took 17+ to accomplish this task, sloppy work, funny wigs and clear pictures of all participants. The only thing they did right was not smiling at the cameras.
an article with a list of questions and now offer of solutions. thats always interesting. Britain is NOT friendly to Israel so screw them. The UAE are a bunch of unorganized idiot spend-thrifts whose accounting skills resemble that of a child: they have enough on their plate but if they want to call this to the 'light of day'...so be it. The 'assasins' killed a murdering thug who was a fierce enemy of Israel. We should be applauding, not looking to make apologies. ALL countries do this kind of garbage...so what? He was a MURDERER!!!! Finally, SO WHAT IF MOSSAD WAS INVOLVED??? More power to them. What the heck the journalist who wrote this article expects is beyond rationale. "Bring these issues to the light of day" "scrutinize these issues" what to examine? He was an enemy attempting to secure weapons to kill INNOCENT JEWS. You remember? You know? The old saying? NEVER AGAIN!!! Yeah, that one. 'nuff said. report on more important issues.