The High Court shouldn't decide

Even if both parents are Arab citizens residing in the OPT's temporarily, won't their child run the risk of being denied citizenship? This law can be used in very arbitrary & unreasonable ways and, considering an Arab citizen has already been stripped of his citizenship, it's a slippery slope. Something to think about.

In the Nationality Law of the 1952, Section 1, Arabs can be stripped of their citizenship for living in the OPT's. Is this reasonable?

#130 - well said! #122 - Look closer. #123 - There is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. Not all Palestinians are members of Hamas any more than all Jews are racsists. The article and the law are referring to ordinary people who do not allow racsism to control their lives. They are able to see other people as individual human beings rather than political/ethnic stereotypes.

Aren't you comparing eggs with apples by citing what other countries do or don't do? The land on which Israel was founded in 1948 was in an area inhabited by Jews and Arabs, and over the years there has been a great deal of displacement of the Arabs. Countries like Saudi Arabia are not welcoming to any other culture, and Israel, as the Jewish state, appears to be following a similar path. Arabs would want to go to Israel, because you have over 80% of the land area for yourselves, leaving 18% for 4million Palestinians. Institutionalised racism is of course the enactment of laws which disadvantage any section of the population based on race alone. Now you know.

Yours is the resort of the person who thinks he and others like him are above the normal laws of civilisation. It is not anti semitic - or more correctly, anti-Jewish - to criticise those Jews who are enacting racist laws in the name of self defence, just as it would not be anti-Serb to condemn the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo. The criticism is reserved for those who wish to preserve their privilege, and not for those many people, Jew or Serb, who oppose such racist acts. Obviously, though it is a difficult concept for you to grasp, Jews who understand the similarities between this type of law, and those enacted in Nazi Germany, South Africa, etc, and therefore oppose, it do more for the good image of Israel and the Jewish diaspora than you do. If you don't like racism yourself, don't impose it on others.

Mr. Tal's proposed restriction on the unification of families of Palestinians & Israeli Arabs denies a basic human right of living with your selected spouse in the country of your citizenship , to part of the population, which we as a 'modern democratic' society (in fact, the only democracy in the Middle East) rightfully demand for ourselves. If you are willing to uphold a Jewish majority even by denying basic human rights, you are, in fact, destroying Israel's democractic base.

One of my favorite songs is by The Bird, 'to every season' from the words of King Soloman. The fact is the ill feelings towards Jews still exist. Before there was an Israel, there was Jew hatred in many different forms. In Communist Russia, Jews were listed as a national group, so we were the enemy of communism. In Nazi Germany we were worst than communist. In the Christian world we were the evil christ killers. Today, bigots call us rascist. These Jew haters are like dandruff, just brush them off. Israel will always be a Jewish State.

Any honest thinking person realizes the security argument for categorically preventing the unification of Palestinians with Arab-Israeli citizens is just a smokescreen for zionist racism. This article finally admits as much.

can somebody explain to me how the views of the author (and of many readers who posted here) are at all compatible with the very basic pronciples of democracy? P.S. please no inflamed rethoric or religious rantings

You are totally right about this. We must maintain being Jewish at all costs, regardless of any pressure from inside or outside to force us to give up our only homeland and refuge.

Do yourself a good deed. Go travel to Israel. You will have a good time and see that things are not as you think.

Israel is a Jewish State. Many people do not like that reality. So what? The Majority of the Arabs in the Territories voted for Hamas. And some people think that Israel should allow these Arabs to move into Israel. Are they nuts? Rather than think this way, the problem needs to be diffused. Israel needs to raise it's Jewishness throughout the land.

AND THAT IS WHAT EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DOES --- Not true Nicole. Only in apartheid regimes (like Israel's) do such things happen. Free Palestine!

And its Moslem influenced General assembly. Your post is shows lack of substance for a reply and total ignorance about Australia. Do yourself and us a favor stay away from Australia. Go where you will feel comfortable. We do not need to import ignorant sloganeers.

and totally disregarding the article that is supposed to be being addressed as is usually the case in these responses, I think Marlene has the best advice to all the wolves trying to put on sheep's clothing out there: "Never follow in the footsteps of those that you abhor, otherwise it makes you no better."

I did not mention racism. Note none of the replies contradicted what I said about the UN.

everybody acknowledges, for example, that the whie american settlers have committed horrible crimes, including genocide against the native population. the difference is that the american nation and its government have acknowledged the terrible past and have enacted laws, federal, state and local to compenstae the victims, like land protection, tax exemptions, gambling rights, etc. not enough by a long shot, but you can't have 290 million people returning to the original countries their forefathers came from. in israel's case, the nation and its government refuses to acknowledge any wrongdoings against the native population, refuse to compensate them in any way, refuse to even grant them equal rights and actually often label them as tresspassers. huge difference.

Your sarcasm is as cheap as would be your conversion.

You are either ignorant, or a liar. You are probably a bit of both. You claim, "At issue here is an official israeli policy of disallowing native israeli non-jewish citizens from having their spouses live with them in their native country." Now, you see, that is totally false. All citizens of Israel have the right to bring their spouses to Israel. All citizens, including Arab-Israelis have the right to bring his/her spouse into the countr, unless that spouse comes from a territory that is deemed hostile to Israel. Every country has the absolute right to keep out of its territory foreigners who come from a territory with which it is at war. During the second Worl War, there is no way that a citizen from an Allied country would have been able to bring into his country a citizen of an Axis country. It did not matter whether the citizen of the Allied country was of German or Japanese origin. Indeed, fraternizing with the enemy was illegal. Once the war was over, these rules no longer a

"then they must all be considered as such. Therefore, UN Res. 181 which created Israel`s existence out of Palestine is also not law and based on that alone, no one should be asked to recognize Israel`s existence since it is obviously not a legitimate country. You simply can`t have it both ways." Then according to your logic NO country in the world is legitimate. Since none have any sort of UN resolution recognizing them. The US is not a country, are you really that stupid? Retortical question you have proven that too many times.

"You need to read your history" Have you might try it though since everything you wrote is total nonsense. "Israel is not in a war with them.." Guess your definition and mine are different. ".you are murdering them, humiliating them, disfiguring and wounding them. Israel in engaged in ethnic cleansing and this law is part of it" I see when we stop them from murdering us that is humilating them, TFB. As for the ethnic cleansing you have to be kidding or stupid. "It`s the same kind of war that the whites in South Africa waged against blacks." Yup you really need to read some history. "And the only reason the Palestinians are in the territories is because they had their land stolen from them and they were driven by terror out of their homeland." Sorry but it's our territory. That is according to international law. Now are you going to answer the question? Does your country give automatic citizenship to foreign spouses?

I totally agree with you Rich. The problem is that all those people accusing Israel for occupation, settlements, etc. will never accuse the countries you have enumarated. Why? Very simply because Israel is a Jewish country. Same all double standards against Jews and Israel.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and at least we don't cloak our actions in lies and hypocrisy. Yes, what we did was wrong. End of story. Secondly, one obviously cannot right all the wrongs of the past. What, oh what are we to do about the ravages of the Mongols? However, we can go and sin no more. Hence Israel can and should radically change its policies. There's no excuse for them, and the sickening rationalizations and cloaked racialism that is used to justify them only make matters worse. In fact, at least as far as I am concerned, that's what really gets my goat about Israel. I probably could live with Israel just doing what she does. It's the lies she concocts about it that drive me up the wall.

The analogy of state zionism would be the following:a family claims that it was forced to be poor for centuries, therefore it was going to engage in bank robberies. The family demands that no bank guards try to block their entry into any banks and no police dare capture them after the robberies, since it's their moral right to rob banks after being kept so poor for so many years.

i'll be the last person in the world to defend any arab country-they are all illegitimate, medieval regimes that need to be eliminated.when i hear pro-israeli people claim that israel is better than arab countries i know that israel can't sink much lower. when you compare yourself to the worse of the worst you know that you are worthless. the palestinians did and still do have a right to fight against what they peeive as their occupiers and those who expelled them. at issue here is an official israeli policy of disallowing native israeli non-jewish citizens from having their spouses live with them in their native country, while jewish citizens, often non-native, are allowed to have their spouses join them. this kind of racism caused the international community to sanction the s.african apartheid regime into obvlivion and israel isn't any different.

As you proposed I'm leavin my native town. Actually I got a cheap conversion of a rabbi at a local Wallmart shop, I just had to repeat three times: "there is no other god than Golda Meir and Kahane is her prophet" Now I'm looking forward to free housing, killing without punishment and the healthy air of the Hebron Hills.

1)War, Dave, that's what it's called. Villages destroyed, people killed, refugees, battles...war. 2)Israel claims to be a democracy. The Arab states, inlcuding the one imagined in the Palestinian national covenant, variously claim to be the champions of all Arab people, or to embody the will of Allah on Earth. You claim that Israel is doing a lousy job, by its own standards. How are the Arab states doing, by their own standards? What kind of state did Arafat imagine and build for Palestinians? 3)Palestinians have to move to California or Sweden in order to live like Israelis. They might've passed the last 60 years living like Israelis and building a homeland to be proud of, but they didn't. Instead, they spent the decades attempting to tear down that which the Israelis were building, bombing airports, and sponging off of the international community. Whose choice was that, Dave?

Israel should decide whether it wants to continue this campaign of LIES or become a normal state. It can't play both roles! (unless it wants to build sets for a Shakespearian tragedy).

I am eagerly waiting for mandatory military service. In the meantime, I agreed with a poster to allow in spouses who were married before the law took effect on humanitarean grounds, provided there is a rigorous background check. Shalom, Jane

As a Canadian I am not automatically granted citizenship if I marry an American. I personally know that this is the case because I have gone through the process. If West Europeans have chosen to grant full citizenship to absolutely anyone, regardless of background, that is their business. However, this practice of "instant citizenship" is not recognized anywhere else on the planet. The newly married couple may still live together, but they will have to do it in the West Bank or Gaza. -B-

It is a relief to read an intelligent discussion of the question. This looks at the 'family reunification issue' from many aspects neglected in most other discussions. Especially enlightening is the presentation of the various reasons Palestinians want to get out of Palestinian ruled areas into Israel.

There are currently no land for peace negotiations between the Occupation White European Govts of USA, Canada, Australia, N.Zealand and any S.American country with any of the respective genuine Indigenous LandOwner groupings. Indeed, there are no peace groups in the above mentioned countries lobbying their own Occupation White European Govt to find an ?equitable? land share solution with any of the true Indigenous LandOwner groupings. A truly equitable solution would be for the white occupation settlers to leave peacefully and return to Europe because they have no rights to be where they are at all. Clearly, however, the new realities of facts on the ground need to be taken into account and certain settlement blocks must be considered as permanent in the context of a final peace settlement. To date, no Occupation White European Govt has offered to enter into peace negotiations with any Indigenous LandOwner grouping. Indeed, additional settlements are being built at an alarming pace creating facts on the ground that are designed to destroy all possibility of a negotiated and fair settlement with the rightful owners ie the Indigenous LandOwner groupings. The Occupation White European Govts of USA, Canada, Australia, N.Zealand and all S.American countries continue to allow settlers to settle on occupied land in contravention of International Law and do so to further create facts on the ground, alter the demographics of the occupied territories in their favour ? a policy officially termed ?Whiteization? but also referred to as ?De-Indigenisation? ? and all this with the tacit support of the white media and white commercial and academic circles ? who are, therefore, guilty of complicity in this ongoing theft, colonization and crimes committed against the indigenous populations of the above mentioned territories. These are, in many cases, war crimes / crimes against humanity.

Are you proud of your thinking? Killing innocent civilians is not an act of barbaric, but destructing the homes of suicide bombers is barbaric? What kind morally corrupted thinking you have. This was not collective punishment. Wake up it was Saddams time. He was donating to every family 25000$ for a suicide bomber. Every body and you must know and understand that, if someone is carrying or commiting crimes against us it will be punished very harshly. No matter who he is or where he is. If some one dares to raise his hands towards us we'll break his bones. Yigal Amir does not suicide him self. Now he is in jail for life time. His family does not contribute to act this crime like the Pals family does. Your claiming is void they don't expulsed from Israel but they flew a way. If it is not racism the right of returnn then what it is. By saying that we are morally corrupted we cant be, but your Arab racism justifies that you are morally corrupted. All racist feel justified like you not me

There was a time when the South African apartheid regime claimed that S.Africa was a state for white people based on a religious covenent between the Boers and god that called for the white race to be seperated from the native non-white races and accorded more rights under the apartheid laws, rights that non-whites weren't entitled to. Therefore, claimed the apartheid regime, the rest of the world had no business telling them that their system was immoral and illegal according to various international conventions. Substitute apartheid for state zionism, and you'll hardly notice any difference-notice the mantra:'Israel is a state for the Jews, therefore nobody can tell us we should grant native non-Jews equal rigths'.

The racist is who accuses us with racisism. I'm asking here to the all the posters who are accusing with racism, how could you prove that we are racist. Where is the racisim by not accepting the Pals to our lands. Why America does not accepting the Mexicans, the latinos to their country. America conquered Texas and Cal from Mexicans 100 years ago. Although you had wast country why don't you accept every mexican or make the mexico another state of America. Aby

This is exactly the reason De Gaulle gave up Algeria and re-patriated the French settlers to France. He and his government saw that holding onto Algeria would eventually cause a demographic imbalance, a cultural and religious imbalance whith the grave possibility of societal strain, a break and civil war. Ditto Israel. End of story (except, of course, for the lunatic left who love nothing better than chaos and bloodshed)

What is not remembered here is that it is arab and muslim tradition for (1) the new wife to leave her family and join her husband or her husband's family in their home. If Israeli women who have married muslim husbands wish to di this, there should be no impediment: they can move to the territories. if muslim women wish to join their Jewish husbands in Israel, there should be no impediment. However, muslim law does not recognise the right of muslim women to marry non-muslims, as muslim tradition is passed down through the male line. The likelihood, therefore, of muslim women marrying jewish men is virtually non-existent. It would seem, thus, that this case concerns mostly muslim men who have married israeli jewish women. This should take us back to point 1 (above): the israeli spouse can and should join her muslim husband in the territories.

for being as barbaric as the barbaric acts carried out by your state. That you would dare to support the destruction of a family home because a member of that family carried out a suicide bombing is the depth of your depravity, better known as collective punishment which also punishes little children & has left thousands homeless. Notably, it doesn't apply to Jews who carry out terrorist acts, such as Yigal Amir who assassinated PM Rabin. None of his family were punished for it, & if they were, I would call that an act of depravity also, but Israeli Zionist barbarism is only directed to the Palestinians. And then you have the chutzpah to talk about Palestinians who want to return from where they were expulsed as Arab racism! My goodness, your society is so morally corrupt from the racist atmosphere that you've been living in that you can't even recognize it, but neither could other racist societies throughout history. All racists feel justified.

'Talk about double standards.' what is really a double standard here is that a citizen of Australia, probably the most racist country in the world, keeps defending the most revolting policies of another racist state-Israel.

"How true it is that violence will only bring destruction?" If it is not true, let me ask it in another way What is bringing violance ? Hapiness. We are destroying the suicide bombers families home. We are not dropping bombs indiscriminatly on innocent people. Mixing Vietnam with Israeli conflict, hoping that violence would work is totaly naiveness. Time will tell who's right or wrong. Who do you prefer to be the absoulute an power Iran or USA. I prefer Uncle Sam, you do prefer the wicked Iran. So what? There is no hidden racism no religious bigotry in my words, contrary there is the analitical way of thinking. If you had any solution how can we absorb 4 Million people in todays Israel without destruct the Israeli state, we are ready to accept them. Think about the tremendous problem that will arise when they return. Are they going to be happy? What are going to do? Education, Healt, justice system will collapse in a few months. Israel would change todays Irak. Who is racist you or me?

legitimate nor are any of the UN resolutions against Israel by that logic. It is your side that refused the UN authority at the very beginnig of this conflict. The Hamas charter specifically excludes the UN from this conflict. Now that your side has a position of power in the UN general assembly you are advocating its authority. Talk about double standards.

obviously, history isn't your forte. The countries you mentioned acquired large palestinian populations because those people fled their homes because of a number of massacres in which arab villages were wiped of the map.Of course i make the same demannds i make of Israel of arab countries. I despise all arab countries beause of their lack of democracy and human rights. However, israel has been posturing for all her exitence that she is the only democracy in the region who repects human rights, unlike the arab countries, yet her very basic laws and consequent laws have ceated an apertheid state in which population have different rights based on their religious/national affiliation. By the way, that kind discrmination had been strictly prohibited by U.N resolution 181 that created the state.

and the answer to your question is israel to be blamed . since you are from india ,the kashmiris (95 % muslims ) do not want to stay with India ..should they go to the united nation and get a resolution to devide the country . should the cubans in florida do the same . because this is what the jews did in 1948.. they should have chosen UGANDA ...in africa as Hertzel wanted because he saw that it wouldn't work in Palestine ...they did not listen to him .

I am not confused or overly emotional regarding Israeli Arabs but I do have a sense of what is right and what is wrong. It is wrong to have separate laws for Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. That goes for marriage laws and also for mandatory military service. When one enjoys rights they must also fulfill obligations as every citizen such as serving in the IDF. And yes, I am quite familiar with most of his views. Pipes talks about radical Islam specifically as a totalitarian movement. You might be surprised to know that he is not anti-Arab or anti-Muslim as many misunderstand him to be. He says "radical Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution." Israeli Arabs certainly fall under the later definition.

1)Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria--- the Arab League of 1948--- all acquired Palestinian refugee populations as a result of their invasion of Israel-Palestine. Jordan annexed the present-day West Bank and naturalized its residents, in the process. (Israel annexed the Golan and East Jerusalem, and has offered citizenship to the residents of these territories.) Non-Muslim countries, such as France and Britain have acquired Muslim populations, as a result of military adventures. These Muslim populations have been given citizenship. 2)It's in the nature of standards, that either you have them or you don't. When you make demands/criticisms of Israel that you would not make of Arab regimes, this is not called "standards" but "expedience."

Marlene, Absurdity. I am afraid it can't be considered as your sayings . Israel is not recognized by the UN resolutions but by its mere existance. We trust firstly in our God than in ourselves. In both ways we have it. The reality is showing if we are a legimate country or not. No man in this world can deny it. If you are denying our existance what is the difference between you and AhmediNejad and other Arab countries? You are showing your true face. I don't know if you are a Jew or not. May be you are Jew from birth, but you have not Jewish values, and need some education about them. I'm not considering any Jew as a Jew who denies the Israeli existance. Aby

Dear Aby, How true it is that violence will only bring destruction. I hope that Israel will not continue to destroy the homes, the families and the dignities of the "others" in Israel. I also hope that Israel, along with the US too, will learn not to settle disputes by dropping bombs on cities , killing innocents and the guilty few alike. Hadn't we learn in Vietnam? As for the corruption of power, we can see absolute power corrupting absolutely, eg US, taking on to wipe off the map any nation of the world who will dare stand up to her. Never WMD or no WMD, Uncle Sam's honor and brand of morality is at stake! As regards racism, I do detect a hint of hidden agenda of racism in the policies of Israel. What, all the people in the world born of a Jew or converted to Judaism are free to immigrate to Israel, yet those descended from the "others" who lived there until 1948 are banned from doing so. Isn't this racism and "religious bigotry"?

Dear Gamaliel, Yes no one has the monopoly over the truth, there is only one truth and different interpretations. Gamaliel, who started the war in 1948, Israelis or the Arabs. Who did attacked to Israel? How can we made atrocities to the majorities in those days that we were establishing? There was nothing in those days. They had attacked to us. We were defending solely our existince. If we have the power to expulse why don't we expulse every tiny Arab from the country. What power does not allow us? The truth is, the big brothers of Arabs tell them to flew away in order to make genoside the newly established country. Revisinosim is distorting the truth expulsion by flewing away like you are doing. Aby Aby

then they must all be considered as such. Therefore, UN Res. 181 which created Israel's existence out of Palestine is also not law and based on that alone, no one should be asked to recognize Israel's existence since it is obviously not a legitimate country. You simply can't have it both ways.

According to your logic, the Jewish refugees created by Europe (those that survived the inferno)AND all the Arab countries mentioned by you in the 40s and 50s (800,000, about the same number as the Arab refugees) should still be languishing in refugee camps rather than being taken in by Israel to live fruitful and meaningful lives because in fact Israel did not create their situation. Let me remind you, that most Arabs left Israel at the behest of the leaders of those very countrires that perpetuated their refugee status. Those that did not heed their orders are the ones that are today NOT refugees - they are full-fledged citizens of Israel.

Dear Aby, Now, now, calm down and don't be so upset over Marlene's remarks. No one has monopoly over the truth. According to my version, the "expulsing 800,000 Jews from their lands" occurred only AFTER the nascent Israeli armies instilled fear into the inhabitants through atrocities...thus the bye line - "..the Arabs fled voluntarily, leaving an empty land". As regards minority and majority, we will do well to take note of Arthur Ruppin's estimate in 1914 85,000 Jews and 600,000 "others". It seems that the truth is the other way round!P/S: Ruppin is the Head of the Zionist Office in Jaffa between 1908 and 1914, if you care to check it out. Now that is Revisionism!

Jane, I agree with you. Without Ruth, a Moabitess who converted to Judaism, Israel would not have King David. Imagine Ruth and Naomi stopped by the Israelites at the outskirt of Bethlehem - no Naomi can come in, but not Ruth. Israelis today seemed to have forgotten their Jewish history and of what is morally right and wrong.

Marlene How biased are you about Israel? What kind of dicrimination we have done to our habitants. Can you give some examples. On the contrary the Arabs had done the great discrimination on this world by expulsing 800.000 Jews from their lands. It will be better for you if you post what we had violated with facts in order to respond rather then resoultions. UN resolutions are not laws. They don't have any power to change anything on this world. You are living in dreams. Let me remind you today arabs in Israel is not demographic demon and threat, they are the minority and Jews are in majority. Would you remind me which public official is speaking about transfer? Aby

In fact,hitities being Germanic people,like Swedes I'm entitled to Hebron according to you.And I don't like the "nation" of pal usurpers there.Period.

You're forgetting the financial aspect of it :have moneey,could get,no-go away. The law applies mainly to foreigners,having smaller appartments and income below the level required. Those from Turkey,pakistanis,arabs.It's with them in mind the law has ben passed.And it works-the number of foreign spouses has fallen drastically I'm told.

Totaly wrong. It is very obivous that UN resolution is authorizing the Israeli state is for the Jews by authorizing the creation of a Palestian state. Otherwise why should they have authorize two states, they would authorize only one state. One for the Jews, and for the Arabs. Please read something about the Israeli state creation and learn how the state was created and if there was any effect of UN resolution. Teel me which basic laws of Israel is apartheid, and which law is non kosher with the universe. Aby

I stand by my statement. A Jewish majority is legal and moral. Especially in wartime. Isreal is at war and the arab birtrate is a weapon of war. As is suicide bombing and rocket terror. A Jewish majority makes for a strong Israel, while the arabs can only be an economic burdon, 5th colomn and national threat. Actually, Marlene Israel has two legs to stand on. Now lets talk about the racists arab countries: Jews can't visit, can't own land and were expelled from those countries in 1948. Marlene, it is the arab states that have so much to answer for.

Marlene Part 2 If they would not initiate 1948 war they would not have to be refugees. Don't be naive. If we abide to UN resoulutions, do you believe that the Arabs would change towards us? UN resoulutions are taken by the Arab majority not by any right. The 1973 war the Oslo accords is the prove that the arabs would not change. As soon as they fill they are in the power they would not hesitate to initiate a new war a new violence like they did before. For centuries the Jews lived in exile. We didn't initiated a violence movement for our freedom. Violence is not working and would not work. Violence only brings destruction. Where do you find any racism in my words. But ask your self if you are not a great bigot about your beliefs. Aby

If you want to return, Baruch Aba.Yes you have the right of return, but the Pals has no right. If the Pals were not to change the demographic state of the country we would accept them. But its to late. They are to crowded. Sorry we can not absorb them. No country on this earth can absorb this huge imigrancy. We are talking about 4 million people. Don't accuse me with irrespective beliefs but respect to my beliefs. In what ever country you live you are second class citizen unless you a majority. If you have equal rights in America its because of the Jews you don't dislike are a power group, and some day may be changed like it changed in Germany in 1930. Yes I am very proud to live in this country. It is a democratic country. If you want to change our beliefs there is noting to stop you be a power group and come and live here, and smell the reality. Amira Haas also is living among us.

I could live with that, based on humanitarian grounds, and provided the spouse passes background checks.

those who where married before this stuiped law cam out , should have the rite to be givin the israeli id or citizenship , meaning , this law was in affect lets say in 2002 , any one who was married before then shouldnt have any propblem bringing in there wives or husbends into israel...

Oy, mammale! I have taken your advice, picked up my Bible and...horror of horrors! It is admitted in Deuteronomy that "God" (ha! "God" told Andrea Yates to drown her five children) told the Hebrews that they would take cities which they did not build, goods which they did not amass, wells that they did not dig, vineyards and olive trees that they did not plant and that they should kill every living being...Canaanites, Amorites, Hivites, Hittites, etc....men, women, babies. That is proof of larceny and murder. Moreover, anyone whose testicles have been squashed or whose womb has been cut out cannot enter into the assembly of the Eternal. I am still working on that last one. What in hades is that supposed to mean?

It pointed to several items, including the country's attempt to keep its ethnicity intact, including limitations of citizenship (10% of the population are citizens, the other 90% are not, and will never, become citizens). And the use of marraige, to define citizenship.

Tal is obscenely concerned that the state will be "flooded by foreigners." That is like saying that Apaches cannot migrate to Texas or that the number of Seminoles living in Florida must be kept down so as not to overwhelm all the rich old New Yorkers who have retired there. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

'Palestinians cannot become citizens of Lebanon, Egypt, or Iraq. These three countries, along with Jordan and Syria, created the Palestinian refugees of 1948.' Oh, i see, lebanon, egypt and iraq should be the yard stick for israeli behavior. and extending this logic, israelis should murder plestinians because of what takes place in darfur. and as much as i despise lebanon, iraq, egypt, jordan and syria, they didn't create the refugee problem and more than black created racism in the united states. israel has created the refugees problem. learn the history of the israeli indpendene war, the various massacres of palestinian villages and you'll find out why so many palestinians fled.

I was not going to post on this. I think that you have a confused view of equality. You think that the law is obligated to recognize all that is ideally fair as equal. Furthermore, your view undermines, without doubt the very notion of a Jewish state. Having Arab friends does not mean that you understand the issue better. I am sorry to say, it just makes you more emotional. I really think that you should look up some imigration laws in Europe, and I immagine, in the US. Your positions are contradictory. I remember that recently you said a civil war would be good. You are a supporter of Pipes. I also wanted to ask you what you think about the issue of compulsory military service for Arab-Israeli citizens. If they are full-fledged citizens, why not have all the obligations of citizenship? I also ask you once again, why the future spouse cannot avail him/herself of the exception in the law that allows entry. I would really like to have an answer. Shalom, Cipora

Actually, Israel has violated the very resolution that created its existence because 181 specifically said "No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the ground of race, religion, language or sex. " Furthermore, upon Israel's Declaration Upon Its Establisment in 1948, it said it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; and that it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations!! This is also incorporated into Israel's own Basic Laws which it has severely violated, including the numerous other UN resolutions over the decades. Imagine living in a society where you have become the demographic demon and threat..and where public officials actually speak about your "transfer."

Don't be so surprised. Many Likudniks don't always tow the party line, especially when it comes to Israeli Arabs. I grew up with and remained close friends with the Arabs in my neighborhood, the Galilee. Suffice it to say that without them we wouldn't have a Jewish State. I am against radical Islamist terrorists and will fight their evil totalitarian ways until the day I die but I believe in knowing the difference between right and wrong and I want Israel to strive for what is right. Affording Israeli Arabs equal rights is simply the right thing to do. I don't see any reason we can't permit them to bring their chosen spouses home to live in Israel as long as they don't have terrorist ties. Equality for Israeli Arabs will only make Israel better and stronger in my view.

U.N. resolution that authorized the creation of the state of Israel never authorized nor legitimized that residents who are not jewish be singled out as second class citizens and have less basic rights than jews. As a matter of fact, had jewish leaders who negotiate on behalf of that resolution indicated before that vote that the new state would create a basic law that grants jews basic rights native non-jews wouldn't be entitled to, the resolution would never have been approved and history would be very different. The apartheid like basic laws Israel is based on are an illegetimate invention that doesn't obligate the rest of the world and are kosher only in Israel's parallel singular universe.

Palestinians cannot become citizens of Lebanon, Egypt, or Iraq. These three countries, along with Jordan and Syria, created the Palestinian refugees of 1948. The Palestinian complaint is naturally not directed against the Arab League for initiating an un-prepared for war, and then abandoning the Palestinians. Their complaint is directed against Israel, for having won the war.

I mean to say "it does NOT make me proud, as opposed to "it does makes me proud" (although I suppose some of you could have figured that out).

What will happen if you follow your path, is that i the end a Jewish minority in the land of Israel will be washed away again and perhaps a new Holocuast? WHo knows, we are experiencing a holocaust in Darfur right now and what do we do about it? No, the jews are here to stay.

And you know why..because of my Jewish background, that's why. I have all the rights, just as every other Jew on the face of the earth, or anyone who converts to Judiaism, while every Palestinian by virtue of the fact that he or she is not Jewish is stripped of all their rights! And irrespective of what your own personal beliefs are..the UN resolutions are quite clear regarding the Palestinian refugees and their right of return. And please don't tell me about the Arab residents of Israel who are treated like second class citizens anyway in a racist country which you seem to be very proud of. On the contrary, it does make me proud.

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that it is because Jews did suffer such persecution that Jews above all should be horrified at the Israeli state who has become the persecutor and the oppressor and should never support a racist state, especially one that specifically represents itself as a state of the Jews. Never follow in the footsteps of those that you abhor, otherwise it makes you no better.

I see that, conveniently, everyone bashing Israel here has chosen to disregard the above post. Jews are not allowed to even enter several Arab states, never mond expect citizenship should they marry a national of one of them. Jews cannot become citizens of Jordan nor own property threre. So what are you all on about? It's very odd that all you ignoramuses are on about how racist Israel is, how terrible it is and how (one poster claims) it is ethnically cleansing its Arab population (despite the fact that it constitutes 20% and growing - but let that not spoil your fun) and that Israel practices institutionalized racism (whatever that means). If Israel is all you say it is, why on earth would any Arab even want to come and live here - and give up all the freedoms, liberty and good life he has in his own society?? Would anyone like to comment?

Sorry mate, I grew up in Europe and know it quite well. Relying on your information, the Danes appear to have a fair deal since the age restriction equally applies to all their citizen, without discriminating against a specific ethnic minority of Danes. In contrast, the Israeli marital migration ban is clearly discriminating against the Israeli Arab minority since it is exclusively to their disadvantage (25.000 vs. a handfull Jew-Pal marriages). Possibly you only looked for discrimination towards the foreign spouse and thereby overlooked the discrimination towards the native citizen.

Did Canada ethnically cleanse Filipinos? Did Canada create exterritoriality provisions in the Phillipines for Canadian citizens? Did Canada occupy the Phillipines and is it currently under occupation? Does Canada remove Filipinos from Manila because Canada annexed the city? Beginning to get the picture?

It is obvious what the muslim community in Europe want: stay muslim and extend it. Why don't they marry muslims from Europe themselves? Because they want to bring in as many muslims as possible in Europe. It is all tactics.

Jane, i have to say that your post was a huge surprise. One just wonders if it's a one time thing or if you have actually started to think for yourself. For so long you have repeated the mindless chauvinistic soundbites of Likud that I was wondering whether your mind had just gone into a permanent sleep mode. Israel has always had institionalized state racism. There's no fundamental difference whatsoever between apartheid and Israel's racism, they are identical. What's amazing is that so many jews refuse to see, hear or admit the obvious.

Their are more Palisitinas then Zionsists. I just love the new hindos and anti pal and arabs comming out of the wood work. LOL Talk is cheap! 60 yrs the poor pals have fought off the IDF with stones and home made dreck. The palistinian houlacost happened soon it will be againsst the law to deny it. WOW! I know senior's who were young when the ships came in with europeian refugees(jews) they claim they were brought to tears and weeped for them. They thought the war was over. They thought never again will the world will go through what it eperianced with the Nazi's Then before long these peoople were getting arms that the Brits left and scaring and killing Arabs. After 1400 yrs of Ottoman (turkish) empire the britsh mandate 1929-1948 People can still get on the net claim there were no pals there were no pals. Foolishness LOL

Jacob, what do you suggest with the refernce to that article? A Jewish-Muslim mass wedding or that we better start comparing ourselves with Arab regimes instead of Western democracies?!

Take Denmark: A Dane migh get a spouse from wherever he/she wants,but if it's from beyond the EU,the Dane needs to be above 28 ,have income above a certain level and an apartment above a certain area. The law was introduced to stem influx of the spouses from the 3'd World .

Palestinian marital migration is also motivated by convinience: economic advantages, escaping the checkpoints and occupation,... The spouses don't come to terrorize - the opposite is the case: they are escaping into marriage from a place without prospects. If Israel would end the occupation and assist the Palestinian to propser, it would ultimately lower the desire for marital migration. At best, we might even see Israeli Arabs moving to Palestinian territories if the conditions are right.

Marlene, Palestinians were not expulsed but with their own will they had flew away. They have not the righ of return. If they don't flew away, today they were living in Israel like the Arab minority. Living Arabs in Israel is the prove of we didn't expulse them. Pals and You are showing that you are far more ultra racist than us by not giving up the right of return. You don't have and will not have the power to change this reality. Why don't you understand that every war you have with us you had losted, you will lost every war that you are going to take with us in the future. Every war brought to Pals only destruction noting else. You have not the ability to win it. Its better for you to accept the reality before its to late. You and your likes are igniting and manipulating your belowed Pals in the future to get ruined much more than today. Poor pals they belive to you, they are taking war with us with your manipulations and get distructed. Aby

Araabs and jews and canaanites have lived in this Holy land for 1000's of yrs.... Their are Israelis who are out thier saying that pals never existed and they came from other lands. what Frauds! Jane you surely are a light on to a nation today!

Go buy a Bible, honey. It will lighten up all those laggoons you seem to be swimming in.

"Granting citizenship should be conditioned by passing citizenship exam" [KF] And who will conduct the exams? Israeli Arabs or Israeli Jews? What works for other countries is problematic for Israel due to its demography - unless true fairness can be ensured.

In today's NY Times: "Here Comes the Bride (but Not From Afar, Emirates Hope)" By HASSAN M. FATTAH / Published: May 26, 2006 RAS AL KHAYMAH, United Arab Emirates ? The wedding lights sparkled, a brass band played the national anthem and the banquet was fit for a king. But as Rashid al-Kabali and his friends put on their ceremonial wedding cloaks for the event this month, the grooms were stoically aware of the battle they were waging for Emirati identity. Mr. Kabali was among 47 grooms marrying that evening in an all-male mass wedding ceremony in the parking lot of a convention center. (The brides would celebrate in separate ceremonies a few days later.) It was a curious scene, but one with deep social implications. In this nation of five million, of whom only about 10 percent are native citizens, the battle for cultural survival begins with "I do." ... http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/world/middleeast/26emirates.html

You need to read your history. Israel is not in a war with them...you are murdering them, humiliating them, disfiguring and wounding them. Israel in engaged in ethnic cleansing and this law is part of it. It's the same kind of war that the whites in South Africa waged against blacks. And the only reason the Palestinians are in the territories is because they had their land stolen from them and they were driven by terror out of their homeland.

His whole oeuvre breaths the air of ignorance, naievity and stupidity. It is easy to shout from your silk tower, Colin. Pray that you will nver be expelled and persecuted as the Jews were. By that time you will change your tune.

In European countries a citizien may choose a spouse from any country, regardless of religion or ethnic origin as long as it is not a fake marriage for the purpose of obtaining citizenship (which is determined on an individual basis that can also be challenged in court). As far as I know it is the same in the US. There is also a nice movie about it - Green Card (1990).

As usual ur a paranah the land of Cannan welcomed the jews and they married form among each other! YOUR LIES will never make them go away. LOL LOL

Well I've tried to apply for a permit to go to Canada and I haven't been able to get in. Perhaps you should campaign for us if you are so convinced.

Jews didn't come to Palestine. They came to Canaan led by Abraham and at a later period returned from Egypt with Moses. Palestine was a Roman attempt to change the name of the land of the Jews. You Arab, as your name implies, came from the Arabian Peninsula, far from here and therefore a foreigner. Jews were here first.

Muslims in 99% of the case they marry with people from their original country in order to keep their live islamic and to extend their influence in society. Here it is the same. P's seem to be keen: marry an Israeli Arab and try to destroy Israel from the inside.

Do some of you people even read what you write? In the same breath you claim that Israel is a racist, Apartheid state with human right violations and at the same time you insist that Palestinians who marry Israeli Arabs should live in Israel. I would think they would rather get married in order to escape the intollerable conditions (so they claim) of Israel. It's like a German Jew in 1937 marrying an American and insisting on living in Germany. What were the odds of that happening?

"All of this talk on stopping anyone from entering your country because of ethnicity or referring the one part of the population as a "demographic problem" degrades and dehumanizes all human beings." The law does not apply to any ethnicity, but it does apply to territories that are at war with us. Tell us all how Canada extends automatic citizenship to spouses of Canadians. You can't because your country does not extend automatic citizenship to anybody, perhaps we should demand that your country's laws be changed too.

"Right. When that happens then inhumane legislation would have some justification. You might as well support arming teachers on the basis of a few assault cases. What if all the kiddies start lynching their teachers? Better shoot them all before it`s too late. The fact is that Israel is a virulently racist state. The way people are reaching to justify this particular instance of petty inhumanity is one good example of this." We mean that if our laws are the same as America's this is racist? Maybe you should change America before changing us, your laws also do not allow for automatic citizenship upon marriage to an America. By the by please name any other country that does this.

After investigating his whereabouts it became clear , that he is associated to Yale , by the propagandist tale of his Pal crazy man Rashid. That is the connection--we could even say reasonably well , that what guides his motives is total disregard to the state of Israel , from which he enriched himself beyond anybodys dreams.Just ask him where his business interests situated --and your answer will be not only a surprise , but total astonishment.He was appointed to the seat by his socialist propagandists Liberal crazies of Israel , and it will be most appropriate , that they should remove him from the bench , for the reason that he will be responsible with few of his Arab collegues on Supreme Court for Eleminating Israel.Just imagine how stupid elected Parliament is, to allow Justices to run " political agenda "for them , and thus run Israel to oblivion--Fire Barak , before it is too late..

Granting citizenship should be conditioned by passing citizenship exam. Most of ?non racist? countries in EU and USA demand knowledge of language and history exams before considering citizenship applications of prospective citizens. I expect the prospective citizens should demonstrate considerable knowledge of both. Let them also take a pledge of allegiance to the Zionist state.

If the Arabs hadn't chosen the path of violence and welcomed the Jews who were fleeing persecution, all the "Palestinians" would've been living in a country with worldclass living standards and individual freedoms and human rights, which are unthinkable in any Arab/Muslim country. But their religious reluctance to see the Jews as equals and religious fervour made the Arabs choose the path of mindless violence and that gave them their present condition. Imagine If there was a Dalai Lama or Gandhi to lead the Pals. They would've won a sovereign nation decades ago. But unfortunately Islam is only capable of producing Osamas and al-Zarqawis and Sheik Yassins. Islam is yet to produce a Gandhi or Mother Teresa. Just for once, think for a moment: Is Israel or Islam to be blamed more for their predicament?

Muslims continue to migrate to all Western countries, including America, and they're allowed to do so despite their pronounced ambitions for worldwide domination of Islam and outspoken hatred of the Western culture. But when Jews started migrating to Israel/Palestine, Arabs panicked and rioted and attacked them, letting the whole world know that they won't let the Jews live there in any other way as than as under-privileged dhimmis. Hence the need for a Jewish state. If it was quakers or buddhists that are entering Israel in large numbers, they don't have to be bothered about their numbers. But with the Pals, once an Islamic majority is achieved, Sharia will rule and Jews and all non-Muslim humans will be dhimmis again. Why are you so hell-bent on seeing only the Pal-side?

Many people married to Americans hold dual citizenship here. You do NOT have to live in America.

you need to understand that chana lives in the israeli ghetto in los angeles. just about every israeli who moves to la, becomes a kahanist in a very short time, even israelis who had been rational people prior to their arrival in lala land. the israelis living in los angeles have cerated a ghetto, very few of them have any social contact with non-israelis, let alone non-jews, and in order not to be labled as arab loving/self hating israelis, they are expeted to adopt kahanist, ultra-racist, ultra chauvinist views. chana is just one very shrill example.

I'm sure there is nothing that Israel and Zionism would like -- for all Jews to leave America and come to Israel, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind some real authentic anti-semitism also in order to faciliate it.

"The arabs have used demgraphics as a weapon and Jewish Israel must win this war or parish." Just enact a law calling for the sterilization of all non-Jews. That's should do the trick.

If Israel is for Jews does that mean everywhere else is for non-Jews? Please clarify you statement. If all the Jews living outside of Israel move to their "homeland" I think it would get awfully crowded. I for one wouldn't want my Jewish friends to have to leave the U.S. if they didn't choose to do so.

Israel's existence was created out of Resolution 181, and that resolution never mandated the Palestinian inhabitants of that newly created state to go elsewhere. Naturally, it was the reasonw they were expulsed, and the reason why they have ther right to return. Israel does not not have a leg to stand on about its racist demographical concerns.

Your continous denials and using the term "hoax" actually follows in the footsteps of those who call the Holocaust a hoax. It's rather obscene on your part. And of course, language when translated into other languages comes out different. Palestinian in Arabic comes out as "Falasteeni", just as Holocaust comes out as "Shoah" in Hebrew. Does that mean the Holocaust is fake?

Then Israel should have been created somewhere else where no one other than Jews existed, or there was land that was actually barren which would be in accordance with Zionist mythology.

All of this talk on stopping anyone from entering your country because of ethnicity or referring the one part of the population as a "demographic problem" degrades and dehumanizes all human beings.

Arab women do not convey citizenship in any Arab state. There is no intention that they will convey citizenship in any future Palestinian state either. Arab children inherit the nationality of their fathers, period. Jews are banned by law from Jordanian citizenship. There is the expressed intention to cleanse any "liberated" Palestinian territories of Jews, to consider. The Jews of all the other Arab states have already been cleansed, except for the 8000 who remain in Morocco. I don't see that Israel owes courtesies to Arabs, which Arabs do not extend to Israelis.

This ruling stinks of racism and is destructive to the morality of the Jewish State. As an Israeli I strongly object to denying basic human rights to Arab Israelis. The Israeli Arab community has built the State together with us and it is high time they enjoy the exact same rights as Jews. Besides being wrong not to allow family unification on religious grounds it makes Israel into exactly what we are accused of being, akin the Apartheid South Africa. This really makes me sick. It's a huge mistake on so many levels that I don't know what more to say.

"AND THAT IS WHAT EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DOES" And that is a blatant lie. Name one democratic western country where citizens are prevented from living with non-citizen spouses, except for obstacles reviewed on an individual basis.

If ther is not a Jewish majority, then there is no reason for Israel. The arabs have used demgraphics as a weapon and Jewish Israel must win this war or parish.

when yopu are saying 'Israel is for jews' you are given reasons for the neo nazis who's say "deliver all the jews of the world to Israel and clean up our countries, because now they have his own country..." 'One people, one faith, one country' don't sound very fine...

Andreas, Are you not showing your extremism by throwing Nicole out of London? Look at the mirror. You'll see a facist a racist face. Acording to your thinking also you should thrown out from Basel. Aby

Colin, Would you explain, why should the family reunified in Israel not in Palestine? If an Israeli Arab wants to marry a Pal spouse. He or she could live not in Israel but in Palestine with their Arab neighbours. He reunifies with his race in his land. This legislagtion is beign issued on the statics. If the Israeli Arab population delibaretly is chosing to mary Pal spouses, what should be done? Which country on this world would accept every year %2 or %3 of the Arab populatian increasing by importing spouses from which you are at war? Why are we virulenty racist state, when the Israeli Arabs are racist. Where is the inhumanity of this legislation? I'm waiting for your anwsers Aby

No, madame Nicole, is NOT what every country does... Not in Europe, not in the States.. perhaps somewhere dictatorship in Africa or South America, in Asia maybe... this project is a 'subhuman project', an apartheid project, based on religious discrimination: if you are jew, things will run well, but if you are not, go to hell...

It's a Latin name given to the land of Israel by the Romans. The British re-introduced the name when the Jewish people started returning to Israel. The British called it the "Palestine Mandate." Arabs don't use Latin names for Arab countries except as a hoax. "Palestine" is a hoax. You can't even pronounce it (since there is no "P" in the Arabic alphabet.) It comes out as "Balestine" (and the "Balestinian Beoble.") Yeah, Israel worries about what such con-artists are up to when they try to move into the modern state of Israel.

If I married an American i would have to live in America unless he gave up his US passport.

It sounds very funny the way those jews think.They are so scared of palestinians.why did they come to palestine, then?

Extremists are a danger for the population. Tel Aviv should be enough for her.

'. But the decisions must be made not on the basis of the light trickle of applicants for family unification today, but on the premise that in the future this trickle is likely to become a raging current - of tens or hundreds of thousands. When that happens, will the argument still be made that there are no grounds for "demographic panic"? ' Right. When that happens then inhumane legislation would have some justification. You might as well support arming teachers on the basis of a few assault cases. What if all the kiddies start lynching their teachers? Better shoot them all before it's too late. The fact is that Israel is a virulently racist state. The way people are reaching to justify this particular instance of petty inhumanity is one good example of this.

why do we need arab reunification anyway???

no majority=no Israel,arabs can go elsewhere

The shrill voices of protesters from Europe f.ex. could be confronted with the case of pals in Denmark f.ex. Although a tiny,tiny minority they've caused the Cartoon riots costing hundreds of millions of dollars. Several of their youths sits in jail,investigated for preparations for suicide bombings. Vollsmose borough of Odense,turned into a pal ghetto,as most of Danes have fled the area taken over by pal families. Clashes with police and attempt to turn it into an "exteritorial entity".

So why should it be any different for Israel.

Unless they can prove that they can contribute to the country (ie. profession wise) then let them live in the West Bank or Gaza.