The Arab position on the Holocaust

and shlomzion and harzion. I think he wants you to think lots of people have his views. Sad really. P.S. Norm is just a redneck[who put his life on the line. LOL]loudmouth idiot. My bet is he was a desk clerk with an allergy to sand.

Why in the world Arabs had a greater responsibility to welcome more Jews to outnumber them in their own country than Brits, Americans, Argentinians or anybody else is a mystery to me. And it only makes sense to Prof Avineri because he exempts Zionism from history.

1. It's good someone finally admits that none of those SS members were Palestinian. 2. How many of them knew about the covenant you refer to? Could they speak against a covenant they never heard of?

The fact that NONE of them spoke against the blood-covenant signed by Haj-amin Husseini (who went further to recruit 30,000 SS European-Muslim SS Members in Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia)--and that they STILL hold that blood-covenant as sacred.

Moroccan Jews were not protected by Mohammed V during WWII when they were scheduled to the Sahara desert. Few days, very few days, before that the Jews of Morocco owe their lives to the US debarkment in Fedala, now Mohammedia, Also, when Mohammed V returned from exile in Madagascar, the first thing he did was to shut the doors to any Jewish emigration and prohibiting them from obtaining a passport. Hence, a handful of Jews were able to find work after that which prompted the underground emigration. Morocco had a Jewish population of over 500,000 at the end of WWII. Now only about 2,000, mainly businessmen at the service of their masters. So Mr No 8 where did you dig your info?

Finally, I agree with those posters who think it unreasonable to load the sins of their grandparents on either side to this conflict. No young Palestinian is responsible for what the Mufti said to Eichmann in 1942. Nor is any young Israeli responsible for what Menachim Begin said or did in 1947. I agree that it's useful to understand the other side's narrative and that, when/if peace finally arrives, there will be a need to confront and reconcile these narratives. In the meantime, we should avoid collective guilt. It is, after all, a sward with two edges.

The issue of Jewish refugees was discussed,prior to World War Two, purely in the context of German and (after 1938) Austrian and Czechoslovak Jews. Although the Jews of Poland, Romania etc were suffering from horrendous levels of domestic anti-semitism at that time, no-one was working on the assumption that they were about to fall into Hitler's hands. Even less, did they expect this to happen to the Jews of France, Holland, Scandinavia or Greece. Once the Nazis struck these countries, however much immigration was allowed into Britain, Palestine or the US became irrelevant, as the Jews of the occupied countries were largely deprived of any opportunity to escape. Coming from a family that lost many members in the Shoah, I can sympathise with Professor Avinieri's heartache about his grandparents being unable to leave Poland. But (the Struma tragedy notwithstanding) the essential problem was not the British keeping them out but the Nazis keeping them in..more to come

A few facts about the 1930s and 1940s. Although the UK puts severe limitations on immigration to Palestine with its 1939 White paper, the quota for legal entry was never actually used up. So there would probably have been no greater number of legal migrants without the White Paper. Secondly, a very high percentage of German and Austrian Jews managed to find foreign refuge between 1933 and 1939. A problem was that many of them went to countries which were subsequently taken over by Hitler, e.g. Czechoslovakia, Holland, France. The family of Anne Frank were in this category. Thirdly, as Britain moved to curb immigration to Palestine, it opened up immigration into the UK itself. This wasn't just a case of the Kindertransporten. By September 1939, more than 20% of German, Austrian and Czech Jewry had British entry visas. More to come....

No logic here. Solely blatent opposition to a specific people having the right to live in freedom peacefully in their historic homeland. A homeland that was recognized by the vast majority of the world including the UN in 1948. A people who then accepted the limited borders deliniated by the UN but were instead brutally attacked by those opposed and still do not recognize the legitimacy of a free national home for the Jewish people. The quintessential definition of bigotry and racism and is not far off.

i dont know if kitty is really persian but among the iranian community in the usa obama is called "siah" or black. as to his election he may not be elected again.

i cannot agree with persian kitty.check the letters pages in america.obama is deeply unpopular partly because of his perceived faith. one of cnn's top anchors was at the forefront of the campaign against obama.the so called birther campaign which was also concerned with his faith. those who are against him mention his name hussein.

Excellent article. It is time for the Palestinians to stop victimising themselves and get to real business: do they really want a Palestinian state or do they want to keep the eternal victimising status quo?

we were discussing muslims in the usa not the world in general. in the usa israel has 65% support from the american population.and comes in third after canada and the uk. the rest of the world thinks israel ranks with north korea.like you in fact logios.

The difficulty with the argument that the Palestinians somehow share responsibility for the Holocaust is that in the case of the Palestinians, to willingly accede to Jewish immigration would have been to commit national suicide. It's an argument that would have been absurd in the case of Canada or the United States or Australia -- but not in the case of Palestine. Really, they were the last group that should have been called upon to provide a refuge for European Jewry -- and so they can hardly be accused of complicity in genocide until you've ticked off a rather long list of more culpable parties.

To call the 1939 White Paper "appeasement," equating it thus to the British policy of appeasement of the Nazis, is a terrible distortion of history. The Palestinians weren't attacking Britain. It was the other way around: From Sykes-Picot to the Balfour Declaration to the League of Nations Mandate to the Peel Commission Report of 1937, Britain spearheaded a colonial invasion of the Levant. The crime against humanity in 1939 was not limiting immigration of aggressive European Zionist colonists bent on taking over Palestine. It was Britain's refusal to open its own doors to the desperate Jewish refugees of the Shoah. My own country, the US, was just as guilty. And as we know in the sequel, the change in British policy in 1939 did not in any case put an end to the Zionist project to take Palestine away from its people. Indeed, as Tom Segev documents in "One Palestine, Complete," as Britain prepared to abandon the Mandate, it worked assiduously to transfer sovereignty to the Yishuv.

To try to shift any blame on Palestinians for Holocaust, conglomerated with Arabs, in the intellectually dishonest essay is rediculous and requires a suspension of logic and historical truth. Arabs are not a homogeneous ethnic group and Palestinians have always had national aspirations, weak and disorganized, but there during both Ottoman times and the British Mandate.

Israel was lucky and successful in that its dream and vision for a homeland was fulfilled. Other national movements, i.e. the Armenian national movement, were not so fortunate in even realizing an autonomous region. How about the Kurds, who have always been nationalistic, wanting their own homeland. They still want to be autonomous in Iraq and separate from Turkey, but are having no luck. These people lost a lot of lives, if not almost total extermination of their people, due to the nationalists, some of whom still remain. It does not mean all people are nationalists; some or most are not; but those who are not are paying or paid the price with their lives, i.e., Armenia and Kurds who are different people and examples.The point is Jewish nationalists, with the help of Christian zionists and other friends, realized their dream; however, it is not known if a national homeland in S. America for example, would have had a bad end, like total extermination of the Jews.

A lot of my family are blonds with hazel or blue eyes. What does that mean? Somewhere along the line, they mixed with blonds. However, looking back at old family pictures, one looked rather Syrian and some had darker looks. But looks are deceiving. Over thousands of years, every race and religion has mingled voluntarily or involuntarily. Critics are trying to de-legitimatize Israel's claim to the Land of Israel (i.e., they don't look semitic). Israel's claim is valid. I enjoyed this article.(5 stars) There were also other reasons for wanting a homeland, including antisemitism in Russia and France in the 19th and 20th century; and also the rise of nationalistic thinking.

Haaretz paper begin as follows. "One sometimes encounters the Palestinian argument that there is a basic injustice in the fact that they appear to have to pay the price for Europe's crimes during the Holocaust. It's true, of course, that Nazi Germany and its allies, and not the Palestinians, are those guilty of perpetrating the Holocaust......" It is enough for me. I fully support these 7 lines Despite English "livre blanc" Despite Sacandalous attitude of Jerusalem Mufti Applausing and posing beside Hitler himself for A disgusting "foto de famille"..... Despite useless bombing of King David managed by Irgoun. The persecution oof Europe jews has been fully compete by the nazis that "exluded" jews and regard them as animals to be killed The full process begun in the middle age, ..and arabs have a responsability but the main killer were caztholics, lutheriens, cosaque Anybody Else ? ukrainians, polonais .... Is that enough? Shoah never become a cold case FIN

"But an untold number of Jews, perhaps as many as hundreds of thousands - including my grandparents from the Polish town of Makow Podhalanski - were not saved and did not reach Mandatory Palestine because of the position taken by the Arabs: They succeeded in shutting the country's gates during the darkest hour of the Jewish people." - Avineri The Jewish Yishuv came to the realization that the Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews only in November of 1942, when Avineri's grandparents were likely dead already. When did the Arab population come to this realization? Probably much later, since it was not their problem. So what does Avineri imagine? That the Arabs would be willing to have the Jewish population in Palestine increase dramatically, resulting in their own loss of their right to a homeland, and just because of what they believed to have been pogroms against the Jews in Europe (if they even knew about them)? Avineri is an old man. He sounds as if he is losing his mind,

Persian kitty. I am an American, and a veteran of the US armed forces who put my life on the line so idiots like you could freely ramble and insult anyone you want, but I can also do the same so allow me.....your Jihadist heritage, and Iranian loyalties make you and your hate filled opinions a mute point, and a reason why your people are the most hated in history of the planet....... Sucks dont it.

Well - as it is said "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".The British were the enemies of both the Arabs' AND the Jews' aspirations re Palestine.It is well known (and swept under the rug) that Shamir et al.tried to make nice with Mussolini and Hitler - as Britain's enemies - only they would have none of it.

You can't blame the Arabs of the 1930's for wanting to maintain their ethnic majority and supremecy. That's pretty much a natural human impulse. By the same token you can't blame modern day Israeli Jews for wanting to maintain a Jewish majority state. Why is is that people who rush to the defense of the Arabs behaving as most humans would behave,refer to Jews who behave the same way as "racist"?

Obama's dad being a muslim is not at all a big issue among millions of Americans otherwise he wouldn't be elected. The only group of people who had BIG TIME issue with his dad was the right winger jews. I also noted how Isrealis despised the issue as well. And as an American, it really didn't sit well with me.

"It seems that Jews simply like to blame everybody else for their troubles" You have a penchant for casting Jews as unlike other humans. You are very fond of saying things like "only the Jews could understand this" or "only the Jews would do this", or "Jews like to blame everbody else". And then you question what Anti Semitism means? really

I feel the same way listening to Dershowitz (Harvard U Professor). You are blind and that's sad.

Every Israeli government since Oslo has accepted the establishment of an Arab state on the West Bank. The only disagreement among Israelis is the terms and nature of the establishment of such a state. It is the PA that keeps saying no.

Actually, DNA evidence shows that Jews from Europe, the Mid-East, Africa, Asia and everywhere else are related -- except for those who converted. No DNA evidence has every linked the Arabs to the Hebrews. Where do you get such nonsence. Besides, which group was it that kept the Hebrews' Torah and traditions?

Iran saved thousands of Eastern European Jews during WWII by issuing Iranian passports to them and transfering them to safety in Tehran until they moved to Israel. You're welcome.

The Arabs supported Hitler and his policies against the Jews. The Baath party that runs Syria and use to run Iraq was a neo-Nazi political party prior to coming to power in those countries. Even Egypt had its Nazi supporters reporting everything to German intelligence, so what makes the Palestinians any different nothing they wanted Germany to supply Arab Palestinians with weapons to fight the British and to push out the Jews. Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini was a Palestinian and he courted Hitler and meet face to face with Eichmann, so there?s definitely a history there.

he is an israeli palestinian.maybe he is right.but that would make us change all our ideas.

"potoboc why are the muslims the most hated minority in the usa"jv The British Broadcasting Corporation has just announced its results of a survey in which more than 28,000 people were polled in regards to their opinions and attitudes towards thirteen major countries around the world. The results are not startling due to so many countries currently pursuing military power around the world. It should be noted that 1,000 people in other popular countries like the US, France, Germany, India, Egypt, Turkey, and Mexico were also involved in the survey. Canadian Flag Israel is at present the least popular country in the world with a 56% negativity rating, while Canada ranks as the most popular with a positive percentage rating of 54%. Other rankings include the US and Russia in unpopular eight and ninth places with Japan, the EU and Canada rounding off the top three most popular countries in the world. India also deserves mention as this and similar polls show that the country is steadil

Read Ziad Asali. Enlightened Palestinian leaders are beginning to reject the fake support of the western liberals. this support only strengthens the meshal type palestinians, who are really enemies of the kind and gentle palestinians. enlightened palestinians and israeli can live in peaceful coexistense side by side. meshals do not want it.

who went to the german embassy at the end of the war to sign a book of condolences on the death of adolf hitler. the irish have always been like this with the jews..so do not be surprised by irish posters on the site.

but as the british archbishop has said "the catholic church in ireland has lost all credibility" abusers of israel i would have thought this is not the time to be advertising your presence.while your infamy and sexual use of children is on all the air waves and all the the newspapers in the world.

why is the fact that obama's father was muslim is such a big issue among millions of american?why is his middle name hussein reviled?

are you justified in profiling all muslims in the usa? muslim immigration into the usa is now severely controlled and muslims entering airports in the usa are treated like airline baggage.is that justified?is this treatment of all muslims in this disrespectful way justified?

Self-Rule The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs. Likud Charter. Yeah yaeh --we know Netanyahu made a veiled reference to a Palestinian state. Sorry --but must hold you to your own rules as applied by you to hamas charter. Yep you remember--they have to change it---right psm. Actually Hamas accepted Abbas as the negotiater for the Palestinian people as long as the outcome would be put to a vote of those Palestinians. Far beter than netanyahu has gone. Which is why his teet is in a ringer in Washington ad he had to cancel his attendance. How ironic.

the Greaterv Israel---so do you. Here is another in a long successive line of statements from so called peace seeking Israeli leaders and terrorists in their own right. ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories. As Foreign Minister David Levy said in August: "The right to settle every part of Israel is unequivocally clear even if there are disagreements over this matter. Israel`s stance on this issue is known."(6) Israeli and many American Jewish leaders see the matter as going to the very core of the Jewish state`s mission, which is to "redeem" the land of historic Israel on behalf of the Jewish people."

Greater Israel----so do you. "Ben-Gurion told Nahunm Goldman (a prominent Zionists leader before he died): "I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". more to come.

"Dr. Chaim Weizmann, who was to become Israel`s first President in 1948, is quoted in the Manchester Guardian as saying: "The world seemed to be divided into two parts ? those places where the Jews could not live and thoslive and those where they could not enter."1 His words were to become even more poignant as events of the 1930s and 40s unfolded." psm made the following statement. "In a letter Chaim Weizmann sent to the Palestine-British high Commissioner, while the Peel Commission was convening in 1937, he stated: "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66)" I guess he had peace all over his mind---right psm. More to come.

My take is this- Zionism's fundamental error of judgment was and remains the "The Jewish State". Rather than creating a new liberated and independent state for both the Jewish and Arab residents it focused on an independent state in which the Jewish population would dominate, call the shots, and benefit over and above everyone else. This immediately set Jewish and Palestinian interests apart and laid the groundwork for segregation and discrimination to come and dominate the scene, along with all the demographic hanky-panky. It is likely possible that had the Zionist ideology not been so innately hostile and secessionary vis-a-vis the Arab population, being all about Herzl's "rampart" against Asia, "The Jewish State"; had it been more universalist, individualistic, less tribalistic, more idealistic, open and free, what Israel professes to, but which it is not, then the State of Israel could have come about sooner and its doors open as refuge to all. Zionism is the divider.

One Lebanese professor comes up with a ridiculous statement, so that justifies your ascribing that level of reason to ALL Muslim people. Would you be comfortable if the other side used all the statements of Jewish whackos in the same way?

Again zionist rewriting of history. The unemployment rate in the US in 1938 was 19% and didn't improve significantly until we went to war. There was no evidence that Germany was going to set up extermination camps; the Wannsee Conference didn't happen for several years. Every other country was in just about the same place. Please give a reason why ANY country under those circumstances would take in hundreds of thousands of immigrants, or else shut up .

.. fleeing a genocide? At the risk of allowing this refugee population to take over? If not, why should the Arabs of the 1940s be held to a different standard?

"... modern Zionism preceded the annihilation of the Jews in World War II ..." It is no secret that the zionist jews wanted to turn the non jew population of Israel into a minority. Although as a jew you might think this is reasonable but can you not envision that this was most unreasonable for the Arabs or even the British.

like maroc, turkey , syria the king of maroc z"l protected all his jews! most christian countries did not! this story is NOT representive for the rest of the arab world. Christian countries from East to West Europe never protected their jews against germans like other arab countries did. Starting from the cruseadors to WOII and on.

Israeli Jews are on a constant hunt to come up with new and creative excuses to justify their treatment of the Palestinian people. Regardless of when "Zionism" began, it was clearly a concept that would be unwelcome in Palestine. Jews would be violently opposed to any movement that would see goyim coming to Israel and settling. In fact, Israel has made a ton of laws against such a possibility. To blame the Palestinians for not being more "welcoming" of Zionist Jews is outrageous. There have been similar arguments blaming the pope for not being more helpful to the holocaust era Jews and also blaming America and the allies for not being more centered on rescuing holocaust Jews. It seems that Jews simply like to blame everybody else for their troubles. This goes on as Israel ignores the international community and oppresses and violates the Palestinian people, making more trouble for themselves as they go.

Whatever the Zionist position at the Evian conference was, it is clear that those countries that European Jews could have found refuse in,The US, UK, Canada, Australia, South Africa clearly had barriers: The UK (which probably has the best record) took 10,000 Kinderstransport, but without their parents, whilst Breckinridge Long (Roosevelts U/Sec of Immigration) made it his business to see as few Jews as possible got into the US: the British Commonwealth didnt want to create "anti-semitic problem", so barriers were up there: Afrikaaners demonstated in the streets of Cape Town when a single ship arrived with refugees from Germany

I had to read the last paragraph twice to comprehend where Avnieri was coming from but still found it very shocking. He actually expect us the Palestinian Arabs, victims of the victims of the holocaust to be sympathetic to those who were responsible for tunring millions of us into refugees in the neighbouring countries? what kind of twisted argument is that? instead of asking the Israeli Zionists to aknowledge the pain the have inflicted on the Palestinians by building a Zionsit state in Palestine, he blames the real victims. I am still in shock..

Britain was the occupying power in Palestine and therefore in control of the country. Neither the White Paper nor any perceived actions by Britain prove that it prevented the Jews from immigrating en masse but more importantly it provided the Zionists with arms and training. If Britain intended to stop the Zionist project it would not have allowed the shiploads of weapons to be unloaded through the main ports it controlled. These were the guns, heavy artillery, explosives and armoured vehicles that were used to massacre and expel the native inhabitants. So stop all this nonsense about Britain and the Arabs.

said that the americans are using earthquakes to control and fight others in the world.he swears that the americans caused the haitian earthquake.he names american generals who were responsible. how can we have a rational conversation with these peoples?

they get their information from aljazeera and al arabiya.they believe anything they are told. they cannot be blamed.they are illiterate.

by giving these same israel haters a chance day after day to vent their spleen.mark lincoln in particular.johnboy,and many others.why give them this platform to curse us and you day after day print them. who benefits?

of Palestine? What are you doing on Indian/Spanish land?

THE EVIAN CONFERENCE - INTRODUCTION"I wrote about the Evian Conference because I felt people should know the part the allies played in appeasing Hitler and giving him the green light to ... christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/evian/evian.html - Cached - Similar "Introduction "I wrote about the Evian Conference because I felt people should know the part the allies played in appeasing Hitler and giving him the green light to believe he could do whatever he wanted to the Jewish people as nobody wanted them and this resulted in genocide. By their refusal to take Jewish refugees the countries who attended the Evian Conference condemned them to torture, inhumane treatment and a horrible death. Let us hope and pray we never make the same mistake again." Annette Shaw Dr. Chaim Weizmann, who was to become Israel's first President in 1948, is quoted in the Manchester Guardian as saying: "The world seemed to be divided into two parts ? those places where the Jews could not live and thoslive and those where they could not enter."1 His words were to become even more poignant as events of the 1930s and 40s unfolded.

Jewish refugees could have taken refuge in any country in the world (US for example), Zionist wanted them to come to Israel in order to realize there plans to establish a state, and that the Arabs and the native Palestinians, rightly opposed. through out history Jews sought refuge in Muslim states, after being prosecuted by the Church, and where they were welcome. a fact that modern Jews seem to omit from there historical narrative. Zionism is mainly to blame for the current conflict between Muslims and Jews not Islam.

How could you in the same breath accuse the Arabs of standing against the Threat of Jewish immigration to Palestine. Are you saying you would encourage it. If I were an Arab I will have a policy of ambiguity with respect to my real beliefs about the Holocaust. Silence.

would not have migrated to Palestine if it were not for the holocaust. More likely state of Israeli would not have been created. In essence Nazi Germany created the state of Israeli.

I am very keen to hear why the Israeli government is now veering towards the same attitudes of applying pre-holocaust techniques on the Palestinians and why the vast majority of the level headed Israelis won't/don't/can't do anything about it?

The author mentions the policy of colonial Britain, who after all ruled Palestine and at the same time mentions the brutal repression of an Arab revolt against British rule? And then assumes that Arabs had any control over the British at all. The British could have cared less what the Arabs desired, they wanted to win the war and did whatever they thought would further that aim.It is hardly surprising that Arabs living in Palestine opposed immigration of others whose stated aim was to take control of Palestine. Blame the British, if anyone. And blame all the other countries in the world who turned their backs on the European Jews fleeing Europe. Arabs had no foreknowledge of the impending Holocaust, just as no one else did. This article makes no sense.

and they call Palestine "Arab land"? No Jews lived in Palestine for millenia? It was all Arab? 80+ % of the British Mandate of Palestine to the ARABS was not enough? Who is trying to mislead us?

how many threats of violence against him or the USA have you noticed here? Any Jews in the attacked the US military?

give me my 2 minutes back. Life is precious, and I sure wasted some precious time , reading this junk.

and subsequent hundreds of thousands of Jewish deaths,came about to appease the Arabs. That was a direct reversal of British promises. How About Arab pogroms? Arab riots resulting in the deaths of unarmed and defenceless Jews? Why do people remember only the history they can use to paint Arabs lilly white innocents in this conflict.

No one likes boat people/refugees, even today. Just look at Australia's treatment of the war refugees from Sri Lanka. Even one of the founders of Zionism, Leon Pinsker, questioned the focus on the 'holy land'. "We must not attach ourselves to the place where our political life was once violently interrupted and destroyed."

Take a good look at what he writes and a good look at your hatred and denial of all he says. And then when you want to wipe him off the face of the Earth, realize there are at least another 40% of the Jews in this country who feel as he does. Then proceed and negate us, annihilate us and brand us all "self hating leftist Arab lovers", and wipe us off the face of the Earth as well. Then burn the last remnants of true Zionism's mission as declared in our own Declaration of Independence 62 years ago. And so will the end begin... Meshel, Nasrallah, Ahmadinejad are despicable enemies and must be confronted, but peace, mutual forgiveness and reconciliation with the Palestinian People are our only hope for saving our Zionist vision of living and thriving in a democratic Jewish State. Mark Lincoln is not our enemy. He may well indeed be our friend.

Of course we should concern ourselves with what happened 62 or 70 or whatever years ago. What we should not do is condemn people for things they didn't do. People of today are not responsible for crimes (or good things) their grandparents did.

The Arabs of 1936 Palestine were defending their country against the onslaught of British Colonialism and European Zionism. They, as well as most of the world could not have known that the Holocaust was going to happen.

"Does that mean that we need not today concern ourselves with what happened 62 years ago or is your cut-off 70 years?" Israel is STILL usurping the Palestinians. Try a cut of period of ....well, not today, maybe tomorrow?

READ IT and then stop writing garbage.

Thank you.

The British were not 'assisted by the Jewish community' in the Arab Revolt: the Jews were defending themselves from a sustained onslaught by the Arabs in the Arab Revolt and often had to deal with British hostility as well. The British towed the Struma to Istanbul; the Turks then towed it out to sea and left it adrift; a Soviet submarine then torpedoed it, killing 768 people with only one survivor.

how dare you compare Bibi with Meschall who formed an organization to do nothing else but murder civilian Jews and continues to preach that all over the world. When has Bibi even hinted at killing Arabs, military or civilian. You are beneath the lowest of scum opn earth.

As a Russian Jew, I can certify from my own experience that European Jews look more middle eastern than european. Anyone can easily tell Jews apart from the rest of the population. That's why it was easy for nazis to exterminate Jews. Khazars were turkik peoples. They looked more Asian than European. Jews definately don't look Asian. On top of that, genetic studies were done. They showed that jews's closest relatives are Palestinians, syrians, Lebanese and Kurds. Therefore, stop repeating arab lies.

The "Khazar myth" has been disproven so many times it's not even funny. Genetic markers common to Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews prove a common, Middle Eastern ancestry. As opposed to that, only a small percentage of Ashkenazim sampled have the "Khazar" markers. Read the Wikipedia article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Alleged_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazim To claim that ALL European Jews originated from the Khazars is as fraudulent as trying to defend the "veracity" of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a proven forgery.

It is time to stop contemplating on our navels all the time about what Arabs think about the Holocaust. It is none of their business. They have enough problems of their own. Israel needs to think seriously about a strategy to remain relevant in the eyes of a world that is watching the current Right Wing Government of Israel destroy any chance of peace with the Palestinians and creating an environment that is hostile and totally un-democratic. Israelis should worry more about whether American Jews are going to continue to support Israel's march towards religious fascism and intolerance to fellow Jews as well as to its Muslim and Christian neighbors. I know that I am not about to donate any money to any Israeli fund or charity until Netanyahu and his Government are removed from power. WE suffer because of his narrow-minded and bigoted policies. Thanks for nothing!

Get real and stop rewriting history. Morris L. Ernst was Jewish. He was picked by Roosevelt to implement the proposed Evian Conference. Ernst wrote that Zionists leaders attacked him for undermining their program. Hertzl had said that antisemitism would be the engine of Zionism, and Zionist leaders have always viewed pogroms as an opportunity. It is no accident of history that they met with the same foreign officials that carried out the pogroms and held discussions.

Lance repeats a piece of Arab propaganda that isn't true. Genetic studies show that only about 16% of Ashenazi ancestry can be accounted for by Khazar converts. Ashkenazi Jews are largely of Near Eastern origin. Here's some of the proof: http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(07)62387-8

Sultan Mohammad V of Morocco protected the Jews living in Morocco during WW2.

Mark with all my due respect you are wrong on this one. "What happened in WW II, or even 1948 is NOT the responsibility of either Israelis or Arabs." What happened in 1948 is the responsibility of the Israeli Zionists and no one else. How could you even think of putting at the same level the victim that was disposed of his land and property with the aggressor that had plans to move to Palestine and turn it to a Jewish state. This plan as you and others had mentioned started before WW11. It was the discrimination and racism of Europe that lead Jews to think about having a state of their own. That racism and pogroms against Jews reached its peak in Nazi Germany. We just paid the price for the creation of this Zionist entity, because we were weak and peaceful.

I'm pretty sure the Zionist leadership was more concerned with opening up Palestine to Jewish immigration than it was with saving European Jewry from the Nazis. Otherwise they would have looked to other places to save Jewish refugees. The United States is the perfect example. The American Jewish community could have lobbied congress for immigration liberalization, but instead it put it's faith and confidence in the judgement of the Zionists.

Does that mean that we need not today concern ourselves with what happened 62 years ago or is your cut-off 70 years?

The reality is that European Jews such as those from Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe as well as Europe in general are not from the Middle East nor are they descendants of the Prophet Abraham nor decendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible. Instead they are descendants of the Khazar people of eastern Europe who converted en masse to Judaism between the 9th and 11th centuries. This is a historic fact and DNA analysis clearly shows that European Jews are not descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible nor even a Semitic people but are of Slavic origin. By contrast both Christian and Muslim Palestinians are the direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible who converted to either Christianity or Islam, and DNA analysis shows this also. As such while European Jews can practice Judaism as converts they are neither a Semitic people nor of Hebrew origin nor from the Middle East period. Hence Israel demands recognition as a 'JEWISH' state instead of as a 'HEBREW' state

it is too rare to hear historic truth these days. the arabs DO have a multiple moral connection to the holocaust. Shraga Elam from Zürich: your views are known. You are a fierce and famous anti-zionist and this explains your irrelevant commentary. Explanation: You manipulate history by waiving with all kinds of facts that "Zionist are bad". Zionists are HUMANS and that is why EVEN zionist leaders have had a wrong judgement sometimes. Evian was a wrong judgement, it was NOT an approval to fortfait Jews to death. If it was known to these people what would really come, they would have acted differently. Secondly, there is no proof that WITHOUT "zionist intervention" countries would have opened their doors for refugees. With all due respect to the allmighty zionists, it is impossible that they could have influenced so many countries. Shraga, häsch verstande? As a "historian" you should rather give a real comment about what Avinery wrote. You did not.

The 'Arabs' of today cannot be guilty of something that happened 70 years ago. Especially something they did not start or do. Should the guilt of one generation be inflicted upon the seventh generation later? What happened in WW II, or even 1948 is NOT the responsibility of either Israelis or Arabs. Anyone who tells you that the sins of the grandfathers MUST be inflicted upon the grandchildren is horrible. I see nothing which justifies the expulsion of Palestinians. I see NOTHING which justifies murdering Israelis. I do see monsters in control of both sides. Monsters who will like Mohammad Amin al-Husayni ensure the murder and terror of generations to come for the most vile personal and pecuniary reasons. Men like Meschall and Netanyahu.

If Palestine would have the only place on earth where European Jews could have found refuge from the Nazis, Avineri accusation would have been correct. But as Avineri himself well knows, it was the Jewish Agency leadership under David Ben-Gurion the opposed fiercly what it called the separation between the rescue efforts from the Jewish emigration to Palestine. Avineri knows well that Ben-Gurion considered such separation as a deadly blow to the Zionist project and therefore there are concrete proofs that as in the Evian Conference of 1938, Ben-Gurion?s delegates like Golda Meir fought against finding alternative refuge. S.B. Beit-Tzvi argues convincingly that there were alternatives.