Obama chasing rainbows with two-state solution

There has been to much focus on the two-state solution and it is important to think out of the box and to look at humanity as a whole and the provision of equal civil rights to all especially to our future generations. One-state solution is the answer were people live together in diversity and without fear. We have many common values and ethics that we can start using as our common goal for a brighter future. These values and ethics include humility, generosity, serving the community, kindness etc. Salaam / Shalom

Those who advocated a 2 state solution, beginning with Rabin,believed that the Pals are dealing in good faith and will recognize Israel.Arafat's duplicity revealed that there is no partner to effectuate a real peace w/Israel. Obama is naive, stubborn, and lacks perspective. That includes his foreign and domestic flip flops. By November 2010 he will become a 2 year lameduck. Not soon enough and good riddance.

We wait in anticipation for 2013 when the Republicans are returned to power and the leftwing loonies of the Democrats are left crying in their despicable crocodile tears .

Fourteen justices have already ruled unanimously on this conflict--Israel must withdraw its troops and dismantle and indeed "void" all its structures in the Palestinian territories. Thus there is no dismissing or ignoring this anymore as people around the world move away from embracing the state of Israel. This will be the real price of making this conflict intractable and today you are all getting there--stateless. Dutch

Peace keepers as in Lebanon who are to intimidated to implement UN resolutions 1701 and others that call for Hezbollah,s diarming and withdrawal from the Litani river of southern Lebanon or the same peacekeepers of the UN who couldn,t prevent the ethnic cleansing by the Islamic butcher of Darfur of infidels in southern Sudan or those peacekeepers all over Africa who can,t or won,t carry out their UN mandates due to gross incompetence or intimidation ,don,t be naive please?

Israel will remain Jewish for thousands more years ,just like it did before Islam and the Ottom an/Turk Empire ,your ranting and raving won,t change this status quo one iota so save your breath for the 5 times a day prayers to Allah ,salaam.

When one is illiterate or ignorant as in Labhras,s case what to expect as Ireland is Eire(Catholic) or Northern Ireland (Protestant)with plenty pro-British(Protestant)entities and Catholic anti British(Protestant) groups ,the IRA or DUP are examples .

Or Mecca and Medina for that matter?

At least he plants trees and not bombs ,David in NY,how insanely ridiculous your comment is?

It,s called Jordan, Labhras of Ireland ,just as you have Eire ,(Catholic) and Northern Ireland (Pr otestant but what would an illiterate peasant from the desret of Arabia know abvout these things?

You are obviously referring to Christianity and Islam ,yes John Spear ,judst checking which G-d you are on about ?

Illogical ,in May 1948 the two state was mandated by the League of Nations ,it,s now January 2010,cut the propaganda about roadblocks etc. as the 1948 Mandate has long since expired along with the Palestine state of Jordan ,you really are an ignoramus .

Mark ,you really should stop making an ass of yourself as the PA has been siphoning off bilions of European/American taxpayers dollars for the past 60 years ,so shut this wastage down ,once and for all let the Arabs/Palestinians pay their own way ,it,s time as the two state solution was manfdated in May 1948 ,it,s now January 2010 ,don,t be an ass.

Hey ragged soul ,they say he who laughs last laughs loudest ,so start laughing now cause you will be the first but not the last as Obama will be booted out in 2013 and the Republicans will be back in control with Israel even stronger than before ,so carry on laughing ,just don,t bust a gut?

That,s telling Zeidan in no uncertain terms the truth ,Jennifer but the 2 state solution was mandated in May 1948 ,it,s now January 2010 so how come so many people are still so confused by history?

Zeidan really is stupid as the 2 state solution was mandated in May 1948 and it,s now January 2010 so don,t talk nonsense as time and history has bypassed the dithering imbeciles of Palestine/Jordan.

What,s the crap about having 99% of international law on your side,as you must be smoking plenty of that Swat hashish ? Sending thou sands of Qassam rockets into civilian populations under the pretext of occupation means your so called international law is meaningless and just lies .

You really are silly as the two state solution was mandated back in May 1948 by the League of Nations ,it,s now January 2010 and you stupid Pale stinians still don,t have a state ,facts please ,not silly nonsense?

The problem is the IDF presence in the Occupied Territories. The IDF presence in the West Bank is not needed for Israel's security, and clearly compromises Palestinian rights in their ancestral homeland. To permit an interested party in the land grab, namely Israel, police powers over the victim of its armed robbery, Palestine, is the crux of the problem. Send in the peace keepers. Or boycotts and the full South Africa sauna of sanctions.

There is nothing wrong with chasing rainbows so long one has the means to reach the desired destination. Jewish nationalism, in it's early stage was an exercise of idealism to the point where one can easily argue Zionists were chasing a rainbow. The same can be said of Palestinian nationalism but to date they lack the means to reach their promised land. The end is clear, an independent Palestinian state, the means to that end are also clear but lacking the might to reverse Zionist conquest creates the limbo state Palestinians find themselves in. They are a conquered people - oppression, subjugation and land usurpation are a by product of that conquest. Make no mistake, this land - the land of post Trans-Jordan, was never, and will never be big enough to carve two states out of. The rainbow chasers are those who believe this land is a "Jewish state", "Islamic state" or Arab only state. There is only one state today, the question is will it remain Jewish ONLY for how long?

UN Secretary General "Kofi Annan admitted at the opening of the 61st General Assembly on September 20, 2006, that Israel is often unfairly judged at the United Nations. ?On one side, supporters of Israel feel that it is harshly judged by standards that are not applied to its enemies,? he said. ?And too often this is true, particularly in some UN bodies.? Often people complain that the U.S. protects Israel using its veto power. While at the same time ignoring that the 57(Muslim) of 192 member nations at the UN use their voting block to stigmatize Israel every chance they get. In medical triage you use the worst to first method. Israel far from worst has more UN resolutions against it than all other nations combined. So a million people die of starvation in Darfur with hardly a peep at the UN. While Gaza where nobody dies of starvation gets a resolution. Meaningless! The UN is controlled by Muslims so it is hardly surprising to see bogus resolutions passed against Israel.

azbob: "because they think they are given the land by god and they will not give up any." 1) Israel already "gave up" the Sinai when the signed a peace treaty with them. 2) Israel has unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in 2005. 3) Israel has honored all agreements with Jordan since signing a peace treaty with them. Whoops, looks like they do give up land. azbon: "general attitude of Israelis in this post proves that peace is not possible." First most of the posts here are not from Israeli's but other people from around the world, so your premise is wrong. Second, it's not the Israeli's raising and teaching their children to commit suicide bombings. So maybe you need to look elsewhere. See Here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/content/dressed-baby-terrorist CASE CLOSED

The annexation of East Jerusalem was declared illegal by UNSC Resolution 252 (1968)of 21 May 1968 UNSC Resolution 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969 UNSC Resolution 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, UNSC Resolution 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, UNSC Resolution 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, UNSC Resolution 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980 And yet, Israel defies the International Community.

"If we had anticipated some of these problem, we might not have raised expectations as high" Pres.Barack Obama. A gentle admission of failure about a problem many finds it easy laying about ! Peace is not keeping every one happy. Isn't that what the '2-state solution' is all about'? But, what about the 'ever after'? When the party is over & the truth ask for its own share of the cake? There is nothing more true than history; the cemetery where all the past is eternaly berried and stands a witness for all times ?! This land was Jewish since it entered history! To divide it like a piece of cake will neither change it nor it will cheat the facts! It will only remain one mosque against thousands Jewish holy places! Or highlighting hopes in vain. Erasing Judaism from the map is the total destruction of both Christianity & Islam & will take from them their credibility & leaves both two tales of times gone. Pres.Obman must speaks the truth & not raise hopes. *Bush did it once!

It is only a suggestion.

...because, believe me, they're going to be much less violent and extremist than Abbas and friends. No need for infinite and unreasonable pre-conditions, double speech, refugees and Jerusalem blindness, bad faith, doing like he won the 6 day year and so on. No, instead, young realistic (as us!) Palestinians wanting just a wide state without eating its neighbors, with true safety, annihilation of terrorist movements and ignorance of Iran and other anti-semitic manipulators. Yup, we'll definitely have to wait another 20 years

Moses held a rod in his hand and as instructed he threw it in front of pharaoh in a bid to convince him from whence he came. Pharaoh laughed him off and beckoned his two powerful magicians who did like wise but lo and behold Moses Snake swallowed Pharaoh snakes and Moses picked up his Snake in a rod no doubt a heavier staff and a last laugh. I guess some things are only possible when you know where you are coming from, Moses believed that God would not let him down when the three snakes sat there looking at each other, God will always come up with a solution when the game on our side seems shot in our perspective, we have to be patient just like Moses, everything is possible at the right time through God, study Moses three in one and understand the mystery. The task can only be too big if you are doing it alone, remember our God is one. David new the source of his strength even when his brothers laughed him off, Joseph too and you, you are our Esther of today that is how you got in there to usher in the era of peace through Christ Jesus.

Obama's popularity is falling like a rock. His 'vision' isn't one of the American people. If he continues siding w/ Israel's enemies, he'll be out of a job in 2012. "He who blesses you I will bless he who curses you I will curse." Watch almost everything Obama proposes fail. He is neither qualified to be President or to be reelected, his anti semitism is apparent.

for far away lands. How about suggesting a real name for the so-called Ireland: Southern England? Angloire? English Pasteland? Any suggestions?

You can not solve the problem without changing the mentality. How can you do anything with a zionism that had one goal for a very long time which is to create a jewish state a greater Israel without considering the Palestinians and their rights? Yes The security is a problem but you can't find security and peace when you are occupying millions of people and letting them die in a open prison. You can not punish all the comunity while living with them in harmony. They too have the right to live the life they wish for. I don't believe for a moment that this conflict is a religious one. Arabs and muslims make very well the difference between zionism and judaism unlike the West. You can not occupy a civilation and believe that you are democratic and innocent.

The general attitude of Israelis in this post proves that peace is not possible. They don't want it, because they think they are given the land by god and they will not give up any. Planting trees in Palestine, indeed, is the height of hubris. Mitchell should quit and the US should cut off all aid and other assistance (including Vetoes of UN resolutions) and put sanctions into place. Enough is enough.

Wrong again! It is those like you who are the problem!!

and Netanyahu thinks Obama is useless-jimmy-carter-type-anti-israel-naive-one-termer

Obama is just going through the moves of dispatching Mitchell, and Netanyahu dislikes Obama - and Israel generally distrusts Obama's true intentions, whatever they are. This deep divide in US-Israel relationship only strengthens Iran's hand.

We will all be long gone dead and buried till Israel weakens and falls.

John Spear - in answer to Lavi - Nª3 - wrote : With all tne crimes committed in name of God and Jerusalem, how can any one call it Holy city????? More aptly : How can anyone call the Vatican a holy city ????

and very disingenuous. Quoting Ben Gurion from People who quote him???? Benny Morris is a professional whitewasher,(Righteous Victims) who writes "official" zionist financed history. Same for Shabtai Teveth.　Try Ilan Pappe (the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine) , and of course, if you are serious try reading(Ahahahahaha) Ben Gurion's Diaries yourself.

...palestine mandate. Return those portions won from jordan to jordan after satisfying 242 security considerations and then let jordan declare 21 palestinian states. israel has no obligation to create a palestinian state but merely to negotiate with jordan over portions of west bank. Gaza has already gone back to egypt. Problem is neither egypt nor jordan want palestinians, why shouold israel. Israel must repudiate this faux obligation.

why don't we call ireland what it REALLY is... the UNITED KINGDOM! (which it really is eh old boy?) know wonder you get along so well with the radical "immigrant" crowd in the UK....LOLOLOLOL

Forcing the two national groups to live under one political roof would make 1948 look like a Sunday school picnic. Your utopian vision is a recipe for ethnic cleansing and genocide on an unprecedented scale. It's never worked. Would you also contemplate forcing Turks and Greeks to live in one State in Cyprus? Or Poles and Russians, or Germans and French, or English and Irish? Maybe you think nationalism is outdated and racist. But then again you don't belong to a national group whose sovereignty is under challenge. Whether you like it or not, we still live in a world in which people derive much of their identity from language, culture and history. There's nothing racist about it. You have no right to enjoy such an identity yourself and seek to deny it to others. Grow up.

" ... the lack of symmetry between the State of Israel and the Palestinians in their present condition." Right, Mr. Arens, this lack of symmetry is at the very root of the problem. Human history has never seen an occupied people making its peace with an occupying foreign power. "Mahmoud Abbas is no quisling nor collaborator. An agreement can only result from fair negotiations between two SOVEREIGN parties, Israeli and Palestinian." Shlomo Gazit, retired general and former head of the Israeli Military Intelligence, twice President of Ben Gurion University in Beersheva. In Maariv, April 4, 2005. www.kibush.co.il/show_file.asp?num=1503

We basically have one state now. The US claimed rule over the first peoples long before native people were even allowed to vote. Special status arrangements that work for true native decendents could apply to true Palestinians. Politically, what's wrong with having representatives from the areas of Samaria and Judea where Arabs are in the majority? Most democracies are not established as one man one vote but as one area one representative. If the Arabs would accept Jewish autonomy, Arab autonomy could be expanded. The IDF is already securing the whole land and the currency is fine as is. Perhaps with some representation in government the Arab complaints over unfair housing and development policies could be addressed

It was amusing that while you claim you could provide one hundred quotes from Ben Gurion you do not in fact provide even one! Instead you provide a quote from Begin on a completely different subject. If your aim was to cast doubt on the quotation showing that Ben Gurion was against expelling Arabs what have you proved with your quotation showing that Begin was against Partition? Did anyone say that Begin was in favor of Partition? It is lucky for you that Haaretz talkback is not a court of law!

But just temporarily. There will always be more jobs, but more importantly self-determination and justice bring self respect, pride, and happiness to men. To humiliate a people -- as the Israeli occupation of the territories does--is a sin. A good Jew doesn't support demeaning human beings. Your mindset is small, racist, and wicked.

What technology did Israel share with the Chinese? There was a story that the missiles the U.S. supplied Israel with in Gulf War 1 was shared with the Chinese. The U.S. sent a team over to Israel, the story was proved false. As far as sharing a list with the Russians, I've never heard that story, what is your source? I do know Mossad had operatives in Russian helping the CIA. Bottom line, you make accusations without a source to prove your point. If your info comes from the Pals it is probably false. Put up or shut up.

It is clear that Israel will never allow the formation of a Palestinian State. Ok, that is Israel's decision, and the world will just have to accept it. This does leave a BIG problem which no one in Israel seems to want to address. What is to be done with the Palestinians living in Judea and Samaria? Israel can't make them citizens, and they will eventually revolt again as they are gradually squeezed into ever smaller areas as Settlements expand. Thus Israel must find a solution to the Palestinian problem or suffer endless insurrection. So, now that Israel has won the war against peace, what does it intend to do with the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria?

Actually there is a solution for Obama: Turn off the $$$ spigot and the automatic vote in the UN - and pronto, Bibi will sing a different tune.He would have better things on his mind than planting trees in the territories. David

One man one vote. Women too? You mean like in Saudi Arabia?

The Jordanians wont sell the Palestinians "down the river" as you claim but rather over the river - which is what they did when they "gave the West Bank" to the Palestinians for a future state.

'...In addition, Israel has improved the technology on many U.S. weapons and shared Israeli technology with the U.S....' You underrate Israeli generosity. Not only have they shared their technology with us, they've also shared our technology with the Chinese, and they've shared more than technology. Back in the days of the Cold War, they shared a list of US operatives in the Soviet Union with the Russians. That's why they're such good friends. They share a lot.

The author of this piece knows perfectly well that the last thing Jordan wants is more Palestinian citizens, and so it can be counted on to sell the Palestinians down the river. It won't want any territory for itself, and it can be easily talked out of whatever territory Israel wants for itself. The perfect negotiating partner -- assuming the goal is to screw over the Palestinians.

Here is the test for the American lovers of Israel. Currently, America gives Israel tax payer money to the tune of approximately 20 dollars per tax payer per year. Stop all this financial support of Israel and make a spot on the tax return for those who volunteer to give Israel 20 dollars of their tax return. How much money would Israel get? Not much is my guess. I speak only for myself, of course. You claim to speak for others, right? How many? Surely not the whole 300,000,000?

Okay, someone objects to the two-state solution. I figured the proposed solution wasn't a secular state with equal rights for all the inhabitants, but I thought I'd check. I mean, the opposite of two states is one state, but somehow... Sure enough... Let's appoint the Jordanians to negotiate on the Palestinians' behalf. Then, we'll pay off the Jordanians, and they'll sell the Palestinians down the river. Then everyone will be happy -- except the Palestinians, of course. I'VE got an idea. Let's reverse this. The Palestinians will negotiate with the Turks, and work out a solution that they both like and that will be imposed upon the Jews. Sound fair? Up for it?

The US could solve this problem by doing nothing. Yes, nothing is required. Next time the UN general assembly adopts an anti Israel resolution (which it does on a daily basis) instead of vetoing the US should just do nothing, abstain, sit on it's hands and voila - sanctions! El Al would only be allowed to fly in circles within Israeli airspace, no imports, no exports, Jamaican bobsledders would rejoice -no Israeli Winter Olympic Team! (does Israel have a winter Olympic team?, for that matter does Israel have winter?) The "separation barrier" would no longer keep all us dirty un-chosen people out - it would wall in the chosen! In no time at all the "two state solution" is gonna look a lot more inviting. Clearly the "roadmap" to peace is paved with nothing!

These Palestinians would work on building cities for themselves if Israel would allow it. Its nice for you to suggest arab building that would be bulldozed by the jewish occupiers.

More than 35,000 palestinians are now out of work and cannot provide for their families. Is this what Obama inteded? Why not encourage building in Palestine? Jewish or Arab? If Arabs can live in Israel, why can't Jews live in Palestine? Why would the Palestinians want to throw out their greatest source of income? This is an example of short-sightedness by Obama and the "peace process"

Presidents come and go. If israel is here to stay she must view the two state proposal as a possible long term objective

Kudos to Moshe Arens, and I suggest that Akiva Eldar and Gideon Levy read Moshe Arens's article.

There can only be 2 states in all of the palestine mandate. One Jewish and one Arab.The (trans)jordanians are palestenians not heshimites who were sacked from Mecca by the Saudi's. Solving the Palestine problem should start with the palestenian refuges who should either settle in the arab lands they currently populate or be setteled in the arab part of palestine (Jordan) This could be done with a fraction of the funds spent by Europe and the rest of the world to keep the refugees miserable in their camps

that when the President of the United States steps in with his 'full weight', that he is being hamstrung by his own government, soaking in AIPAC bribes.

t how ridiculous the Israelis are. With the upcoming collapse of America, who is going to pay your bills? Who is going to protect you? Israel's power has peaked and will only go downhill from here. I will enjoy watching it.

yes, exactly!!!!! One State. One person, One vote. Democracy!!!!! How can any non-racist person disagree with that?

The US can't negotiate on behalf of the Palestinians without surrendering any notion that it is an honest broker. There is some merit however to Jordan fulfilling that role. Abbas, it is said, couldn't deliver a pizza, much less a peace agreement. And there's some merit in calling him the Mayor of Ramallah, because he holds little sway elsewhere. Jordan, of course was the artificial state built out of the Eastern rump of the British Mandate for Palestine. So, from at legal extent, it IS Palestine, and the majority of its populace are self-described Palestinians. And unlike West Bank'ers, Jordan doesn't appear to have irredentist ambitions. I agree with Arens: the two-state solution - especially since the Palestinians refuse the "for two peoples" part of the formulation - is a dead-end. Of the various formulations I've worked on, the Jordan option remains the most viable. Israel must retain sovereigntyl west of the Jordan, while West Bank Palestinians get Jordanian citizenship.

'Palestinians or israelis (or both, ideally) emigrate to Mars'. I think that your last option is the most pragmatic.

As a non-hyphenated american (not jewish,not arab, not moslem, not black, not hispanic, etc, etc) that talks frankly to others like myself, I can assure you that american support for Israel is based securely on intense contempt for Israel's enemies (probably including yourself). As long as palestinians (like Major Hasan) continue to be so anti-american and continue to be backed by iranian mullahs and Al-Queda terrorists, Israel will be loved by all TRUE americans, and no US president could refuse to back Israel and remain in office. The problem is not Israel, it is yourselves.

,,, in the 20th Century up until today can only be interpreted one way: Winner take all. Maybe that is the way peace will finally be achieved. All out war, no prisoners, no rules, just all out war. Arabs kill or try to kill every last Jew, and vice versa. When the smoke clears, and the blood is mopped up, we will have our answer. Sometimes, what seems like cruelty is merely clarity.

Fatahstan becomes part of Jordan or Syria. One man one vote. Hamastan forms a union with Martians and develops the highest per capita economic zone in the world.

Israel doesn't want a two state solution. That is why Obama has failed. It is that simple. Israel refuses to talk about realistic borders. The Palestinians are on record: 1967 borders, 3% of territorial swaps. Israel refuses to suggest big settlements deep in Palestinian territory are a problem as the resultant borders would be 2x longer than the 1967 lines. The Palestinians are on record as saying the Jewish settlers can be citizens of Palestine. The list goes on and on. Obama should stop worrying about corrupt congressman, and tell the world where the problem lies.

but not the country out of the man !! wheres the birth certificate ??

Surely Arens is not proposing a 1 state solution? The PAL demographics would overtake the jewish population eventually..Maybe his plan is to send the Pals to Jordan viadportation with some compensation-Arens doesn't realy give his solution in this article. THE ONLY WAY a 1 STATE SOLUTION would work is IF the PALS convert to Judaism AND give up ARABIC as their primary language and culture. The qyestionis : DO THEY LOVE THE LAND THAT MUCH they would be willing to give up the frauds of ISLAM (and Chritianity for those Pals who are Christian) and their Arabic culture to become brother asnd sisters in AM YISROEL? HOWEVER-even if by some GODLY miracle the PALs were willing to become Jews-we STILL will have a problem: Would they "SUBMIT" to the tyranny of an ossified and error-prone ORTHODOX JEWISH hegemony over the "CORRECT" JUDAISM --or can we re-examine Judaism,drop the halakhic rabbinical interpretive precedent taboos that no longer pass muster by logic and today's knowledge?

Yes, I wish to respond. The answer is there is no entity on Earth that can force Israel to dissolve itself for the benefit of its enemy. Equally, there is no entity on Earth that can force Israel to take in millions of hostile people as citizens. In fact, there is no entity on Earth that can force Israel or any sovereign nation to take in anyone as a citizen against the will of the Israeli people. So the binational state that Jew haters have been salivating over is even less likely than the two state solution, which in itself is a pipe dream. If by some miracle, the binational state was imposed on Israel, it would lead to civil war the same day in which the settlers and their supporters would attack the arabs and drive them out. Unlike the IDF, the settlers don't play by any rules except their own. The arabs started this conflict expecting it to be a winner takes all conflict which is exactly what it will be, except that the arabs expected to win it and clearly they aren't.

there is already a one state solution...it's called ISRAEL! We jews have our state...we don't need anything else...if THEY want a state, they better wrap their heads around the fact that israel, a jewish state, is here and will NOT go away either now or in the foreseable future. when they come to terms with that, then there will be a better chance for peace...until then, this is all mental masturbation..and if others don't like that israel is strong, too bad.

It has been proven over and over again that the mind set of the Jew is one that he/she can easily live and work amongst all peoples and religions. It has been proven over and over again that the mindset of the Moslem is one that he/she cannot live and work amongst all peoples and religions. If you do not believe me just read about cities in Europe as well as North America where Moslem populations are quickly growing and the indiginous peoples are feeling the heat.

It is too early to write Obama off. Wait and see.

Anyone who has lived here more than a couple of years (I have been here 39) knows that a 2-state solution - meaning two states on Jewish land is an impossibility. The ONLY two states that are possible are a Jewish Israel and an Arab Jordan, which IS the Palestinian State and always has been.

it is two state or one where the pals have same voting rights as you.... Which you prefer?

I can give you a hundred quotes of his stating his "true" intentions re the Palestinians. As for Benny Morris--he caved into pressure and backtracked on his first well researched history. Then he rewrites the whole thing. What was that you said about Pappe and scolarly Work. here is Menachem Begin showing his idea of making peace. One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25)

Wow, on the day Netanyahu speaks for national Holocaust remembrance day, we see exactly what he spoke of; the rise of anti semitism on a Jewish media website. Shame on all of you for your hatred of Israel. They have done nothing but tolerate terrorism, murder and hatred. The list is to long to mention how many times and how much Israel has done to these people who would rather kill us than live besides us in peace!

the '2 state solution' is a canard. there are already 2 states: the jewish state of israel & the arab state of jordan. the arabs now want 2 more states: an additional one in gaza and another in the so-called 'west bank'. that makes 4 states. ( by the way, why didn't the 'pals' argue for gaza & west bank between 1948-1967 when egypt & jordan controlled those areas?). it's obvious: the arabs only want something if someone else has it. of course this is only a stepping stone to what the arabs REALLY want.... ALL of israel. the arabs should accept the results of the wars they've launched against israel as proof that there is a 'greater power' trying to teach them to leave israel alone & accept the jewish state as the fulfillment of 3 thousand years of a small but continuous jewish presence in the land of our forefathers. it's time for the arabs to stop living in the 7th century & move on.

Israel and the U.S. mutually benefited. Most money is simply loan guarantees which only gives Israel a lower interest rate on money they get from banks. Israel has never missed a payment or been forgiven on any loan. On money(cash) Israel actually gets, 75% must be spent in the U.S. which creates jobs. The same is true with military weapons, they are manufactured in the U.S. creating jobs. In addition, Israel has improved the technology on many U.S. weapons and shared Israeli technology with the U.S. i.e. Cobra Helicopter (targeting), The Popeye/HAV NAP AGM-142,Reactive Armor Tile(for tank),Litening (navigation system),NTS(Night Targeting System for the Cobra),VLS(Vertical Launch System) just to name a few of the many high tech gadgets.

95 % of the 'Palestinian' Arababs came to Palestine 80 to 120 years ago in order to find work. It is a Chuzpe to ask now for an independed state. How would the Germans react when the Turks, who came to Germany about 60 years ago to work, would ask for a Tuurkish independent state in part of Germany?

the world supports Palestinians with lip service just because Islamic world has most of the world reserves of oil. This will dwindle rapidly withing the next 25 years. You will then see the 99% reduced to Islamist countries and idea of a Palestine as a another Palestine state on WB,Gaza will vanish. Stop perpetuating a false solution. In 1919 Paris Conference the Imperialist Brittain and France decided to create a Hashemite Kingdom east of Jordan R. Thats were most Palestinian Arabs lived and live until now. Remove the imported royalty from Jordan, merge most WB with Palestine State east os Jordan R. and you will have a just peace. Such realignment of borders moving 12 million Germans west of Oder River and 6 million Poles from East of Caruzon Line (Bug River) created homogenous population in Poland, Germany and Czech Republic. Cal it what you want but removal of millions of Germans from whats now Western Poland and Sudeten stop centuries long wars between german and Slavs. Good!

One state solution is nice but as idealistic and unlikely as the two state solution. Israel won't accept it if it is powerful and it won't be needed if Israel is defeated, as no israeli will accept to live under a palestinian government. In fact all other solutions are in the realm of science fiction: - an expanded Jordan absorbing the palestinians of the west bank (egypt absorbs the Gaza strip), might provide a temporary relief only to find out Jordan became palestine and the demands for stolen land in the original palestine continue - Palestine and Israel become provinces, of a neo Ottoman style empire mixing ethnic and relgious groups under broad sunni domination of the region (hopefully in a state of stable equilibrium with Iran)- needs a good century to develop - palestinians or israelis (or both, ideally) emigrate to Mars you see, it doesn't get easier

Of course Obama wants a two state solution and in the face of Israeli intractability he should cut off all US funds to Israel until Israel agrees to negotiate for such a solution, until Israel stops building on West Bank land seized, illegally, in war. Money talks, Israel will listen.

Cut aid and support to Israel. The problem will quickly begin to solve itself. Pumping unlimited aid and support to Israel for decades was the stupidest policy ever.

you are more a dog chasing is tail than obama will ever be:) go back to the state you so much want to fight for? what are you doing here in USA fool

Are you kidding!! Arabs have 22 states already where Jews are not welcome. Now you want "One State" so that the Jews can be expelled like the other Arab countries?

Under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price. Written statement (1920), as quoted in Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs : From Peace to War (1985) by Shabtai Teveth, p. 32. We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption ? proven throughout all our activity in the Land ? that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs. Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians (2000) by Efraim Karsh; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 (1987) by Benny Morris, p. 25. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

The government of Israel is not going to negotiate anything. The goal is Judea and Samaria, not a Palestinian State. Israel is only interested in negotiating when Palestinians are inflicting pain upon Israelis. As soon as the Palestinians suppress terrorist attacks on Israel then all interest in peace ends.

I will vote for that.

An excellent idea at times when no much hope for negotiated solution is apparent. And it's especially comforting considering the "mainstream" views usually expressed here.

One state with two seperate parliments which is like the US congress. Define the juristictions and the limits of each. Even if it is difficult, it can not be worse than now. Hezbullah and its masters are the external problem. If the Oil States help financially, it could have a chance.

Palestinian brothers and sisters. The Arabs have too much wasted land. They can easily make a country for them in the Arab world and call it Palestine. The world will have peace and quiet when the Palestinians pick up and leave.

negotiaters???. "To have peace with us Palestinians, send in as negotiators those of us who have no money and do not steal and have no monopolies."Mustafa By the way--who are you addressing---"To Have peace with us Palestinians ?????. No academy awards for you ---Mustafa.

The Arabs were offered a state over 60 years ago, they declined the offer and attacked Israel to claim all the land for themselves. Now that's greedy! They tried again in 67 and 73, wouldn't you say that's greedy too. Two state solution is the only logical step, anything else(one State)is demographic suicide for Israel. Which I suspect is exactly why you prefer it, right. But really this idea may be moot. Hamas recently said they will NOT accept Israel's "right to exist" although Hamas used the term "Zionist entity" refusing even to say the word "Israel". The same is true of Fatah, Abbas recently said no negotiations and increase "resistance"(terrorism)with Israel. Both groups are on the record, while Israel has offered to negotiate without pre-conditions. It's pretty obvious who wants peace and it ain't the Palestinians.

see here to get an idea of just how much they hated any idea of peace. " Ben-Gurion emphasized that the acceptance of the Peel Commission would not imply static borders for the future "Jewish state". In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ..... Our possession is important not only for itself ... through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state .... will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country." (Righteous Victims, p. 138) "* One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25)

Fatah option is State Dept fiction and doesn`t exist in reality. Only power keeping Fatah alive and preventing West Bank from turning into another Gaza under Hamas, is Israeli army. Solutions: (a) Gaza: Under linkage to Egypt or Jordan, turned into Dubai-like indl/comml hub on East Med; (b) West Bank: Parts federated with Jordan, safeguarding security & settlements for Israel, demographics for Arabs, holy sites for both. 2-State Plan doesn't make sense only if you think its aim is Peace; it makes a lot of sense if you realize its aim is the necessary next step along the 1974 PLO Staged Plan to dismantle Israel.

your mind is too full of racist thinking. "How about a one state solution with a Jewish legal system which draws upon Jewish morality and justice?"Raphael How about a one State solution which represents "ALL" its citizens. You already have the one you are suggesting in your post. It does not work--never will. Nice try though.

that the Palestinian negotiators have a conflict of interest: Their ability to steal the contributions will be hampered if / when a state is formed. So why should they want one? In commerce, you don't send a negotiator who would personally lose from the outcome you want. To have peace with us Palestinians, send in as negotiators those of us who have no money and do not steal and have no monopolies.

Who are you kidding!! We wll NOT ALLOW IT!! Your intentions are very clear here. The land incidentally was NOT stolen since United Nations proposed dividing into 2 countries. Palestinians refused.Now you are suffering the consequences. Had you agreed in 1948 your people would have been celebrating 60 plus years of Independence along with Israel.

Equal rights.

Why should they be any better with Jews?

they use rockets instead of conversation. It is duly noted world wide and any sympathy for them went the way of the dinosaurs when they used their own kids as strap bombers and took the $ 25,000.00 w/ smiles and called their dead kids 'martyrs." Filthy f*ing beasts we rejoice when they die, good riddance to shit heads. Take responsibility, jack ass. Otherwise, you sound like the losers who never get the message, IT'S YOU DUMMY!

where has ever the muslim majority respected minority rights? Egypt?Iraq?Saudi Arabia? Iran?The solution is in the obvious. The Kingdom of Jordan perhaps with a federation of some of the West bank.

a 2 state solution is not realistic.When Pals wake up from their "its all Palestine" fantasies its a different story.

How about a one state solution with a Jewish legal system which draws upon Jewish morality and justice? There is currently a Jewish majority west of the Jordan and it will only increase if a Jewish society is guaranteed. Arabs want to respect this and be citizens? No problem. Don't underestimate the positive effect the implementation of Torah values in Israeli society will have for the Jewish people.

other issues into agenda, so he can be seen in the end as succesfull, not to waste time in dellusions

It's partition that's the intractable problem, and it's failed too many times.

...to a ONE STATE solution? A bi-national democratic state that protects the rights of all its citizens while ensuring that power is shared, regardless of demographics, between Muslim, Christian, and Jew. Since the Two State solution is no longer feasible due to the intractability of settlements, what other option is there? This is a serious question - anyone wish to respond?

"However, people who engage in wishful thinking prefer to neglect the difficulties imposed by the lack of symmetry between the State of Israel and the Palestinians in their present condition. Israel is a nation-state..." Israel is 100% responsible for the Palestinian present condition. There is no one else to blame!

for all. That is where this is heading. Zionists got greedy and greed always catches up. The only real goal now is what to call the new Bi National State. Ideas please. Palisrael. Palsraelstine Palsrael Palszion Ispalstine Palistan

Lately Israeli propaganda suggests that the two state solution is some fanciful new thing that Obama has dreamt up. There's nothing new about the two state solution.

he will catch it by and by. That would be an accomplishment. We will sit back and watch him go around in circles. Oh , by the way, he has lost ' much face' in the Middle East. He is also losing his battles on the home front. One year and the Democrats are running for cover.

ever taken place. The settlements instead are nether just nor fair nor reasonable and will have to be evacuated.

With all tne crimes committed in name of God and Jerusalem, how can any one call it Holy city?????

Before Oslo, there was zero serious talk of a Palestinian state. The Israeli government barely recognized the term 'Palestinian.' And they had no thoughts of demographics. And back then Clinton had not yet negotiated the end of US cash aid. It was in the $$Billions then and was effectively a subsidy for the occupation. And back then the dollar still had some value. Wars are fought for economic reasons and they can be ended for economic reasons, too. It's not about the garbage in Ramallah, it's about freedom and dignity for an occupied people and freedom from fear for the Israeli people. One won't happen without the other. Israel can't get what it wants through occupation any more than the US could get the freedom to exit Iraq without agreeing that they could govern themselves and have their own military. Too many Israelis and way too many Palestinians have died to perpetuate both sides delusions. Both sides need an economic incentive. They are co-dependent.

The solution for Palestinian illusions? They are forgetting that They are in the MIddle East, where there are always guys like Ibrahim Pasha to take it away from them. Only Israel has proven that they can create a viable state.My advise to the Pals: take your money and run as far away from the ME as possible.

I think there will be some justice.

The intractable side issues like borders, right of return, security arrangements, etc. between the Israelis and the Palestinians are difficult enough to deal with and not for the faint of heart, but the most challenging of them all will be the discussions and any agreements reached on the status of the holy City of Jerusalem. This Yerushalayim Shel Zahav built upon its own heap is the refined pot of gold at the end of the fertile crescent rainbow and it's only an earthly reflection of her future glory as Yerushalayim Shel Lamala. Baruch haba bashem Adonai!

You seem to be forgetting that before Oslo the situation was exactly as you are threatening. Israel was in complete control of the west bank and Gaza and did pay for pretty much everything. I have no doubt that if things returned to those circumstances, with Israel in complete charge of Gaza and the WB, after Israel killed a lot of terrorists the economic situation in the Pal territories would be better than they are now. Of course leftists and other whiners like you would never admit that things could be better under Israeli rule. If it was only about money and who paid to pick up the garbage in Ramalla this would have been solved long ago. The arabs made this a zero-sum game starting in the 1930's. They doubled-down in 47 and doubled their bet again after 67. They have always wanted a confrontation where winner takes all. Israel has had no choice but to play by that rule. And now that Israel is winning the Arabs are complaining. The Arabs never prepared for a two-state solution.

So, do you want to move millions or have the Jordanian Army back in the West Bank? Your choice, you pay for it.

Then there is no need for US or EU or UNRWA aid to the PA. Just shut it down and let Israel absorb the costs and operations. Do you want that expense Moshe? You can set up their schools and TV and religions any way you want then. You can even force convert them if you like. Spain 1492, in reverse.

" a total freeze on building in Judea and Samaria and Eastern Jerusalem - thus making it possible for Abbas to stall on any negotiations with Israel." It's amazing that Israel's illegal settlement building is turned into an excuse for Abbas to stall. The problem isn't the illegal settlement building, which the US hates. The problem is that Abbas demands that the illegality freeze at its current level! Oh, how glorious it must be always to be in the right!

jordan is arab palestine !

Why would Palestinians want to stall negotiations? It is Israel that wants to keep status quo. I suspect that Israel would be quite happy and Palestinians quite disappointed with yet another deadlock.

there is nothing difficult about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. you have one side with nukes and rich lobbies and another side with international law and 99% of the world behind it. remove nukes and lobbies you will have justice.

one state two people, one man one vote....the future is now