It's time for Netanyahu to say yes to Obama

a: "The structural symbiosis between American imperialism and Israel hegemony in the Middle East do not admit any change." *sigh* CENTCOM is now nine years into a long war, and it ain't winning. Part of the reason it ain't winning is because it needs the support of the Arab countries, and they are not willing to give that support while America remains content to be the glove puppet of Israel. Petraeus is busy pointing that out to anyone who will listen within the corridors of power in Washington. So America has a choice: it can keep limping along in a war it can not win, or it can do what it has to do to gain the support it NEEDS if it is to win that war. And the only way it can get that support is to stop being Israel's glove puppet. USA self-interest will eventually win out, arik, even if you refuse to recognize that the wind is already starting to shift around you. Even ol' Abe Foxman can feel it blowing. What's your excuse?

SDHD: "The Islamic countries hate the Jewish country and it`s not as easy to get concessions from the Islamic countries because the U.S. supports Israel." And from CENTCOM's P.O.V. what is the inevitable consequence of that? It is this: while the USA panders to Israel then CENTCOM can not garner the support that it needs from the Arabs to fight the war that it is fighting. The conclusion: it is in the USA's interests to stop pandering to Israel, because a) Israel can't help CENTCOM in its war, and b) that pandering prevents CENTCOM from getting the help it DOES need from those who CAN provide it. SDHD: "Johnboy is a shitty friend." Nations do not have "friends", SDHD. They have "national interests", and where those interests match then nations are "friendly", and when those interests clash then nations are "unfriendly". Petraeus is pointing out where the interests of the USA and Israel are clashing, and it is his job to do that.

patreus is part of the chain of command. what he says is what obama wants to be said. obama only repeats arab propaganda. the arabs want to blame israel for their own perfidy. it is muslims who have been killing americans. israel has nothing whatever to do with pakistan, with afghanistan, with saudi arabia, etc... the saudis have been financing terror for decades. the madrassas in pakistan are financed by rich arabs. the arabs created the palestinian issue as a convenient ploy.

You should pay attention a bit to Noam Chomsky. Who cares about the Jewssh lobby? It is precisely the Industrial-military complex which is totally involved in a strong relationship with Israel. You are so tremenduously stupid that believe in some utterings from Patreous or Mullen. The structural symbiosis between American imperialism and Israel hegemony in the Middle East do not admit any change. Iran wont substitute Israel in the region. Not according to Patreous. Don't you get that Johnboy?

"The Israel Lobby is an important one, no question, but it is very far from being THE most important one. That honour - without a doubt - belongs to the military/industrial complex." Yes, johnboy, we know. The Islamic countries hate the Jewish country and it's not as easy to get concessions from the Islamic countries because the U.S. supports Israel. Johnboy is a shitty friend. He'd throw his friends under the bus to get a concession from someone else. Scummy arguments and an even scummier personality.

"#1 Did Arrafat agree? I don`t see any evidence from you confrming this." He agreed to the Clinton Parameters a year or two after they were already off the table.

What has happened to so many of my fellow Jews that so many write with such hate and ignorance? I repeat-it is anti Jewish to write in spirit of hate. I can only assume that many good people are silent because they know these reader forums seem to attract the most hateful people.Moreover,Israel and the larger Jewish world need USA help in making Israel a stable and peaceful land.All the early great Zionist leaders understood that simple fact; those who ignore this are playing a very dangerous game.

You're right Terri, this is just a spat among family. There are a whole lot of nuts and fruitcakes who write for Haaretz and on this talkbalk fantasizing that what they say in any way reflects the reality of the special relationship between the American people and Israel - the nation state of the Jewish people.

Maybe Obama is a "funny friend" but he's Israel's only friend. Israel should get its head out of its butt and start acting like a grown up. The U.S. will absolutely guaranty Israel's security but the settlements are not Israel's under any theory of international law. You want them, go it alone. Fight endless wars with the Palestinians which you cannot possibly lose given your vast military superiority but be prepared to live as a pariah nation like South Africa did for decades. Israel makes Iran appear almost rational and that's quite a feat.

I don't see any evidence from you confrming this. I do know that this plan was shelved in 2006 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1156765.html and only resurrected in 2010 to insult us and derail peace talks.

The USA govt is pushed and pulled by many competing interests and lobbies. The Israel Lobby is an important one, no question, but it is very far from being THE most important one. That honour - without a doubt - belongs to the military/industrial complex. And sitting very close to the top of that complex are two dudes called "Petraeus" and "Mullen". Both are convinced that you are an ignorant, tunnel-visioned dimwit and - far more importantly - they have both managed to convince the POTUS that you are an ignorant, tunnel-visioned dimwit. Sorry, but there you have it.....

God gave Jerusalem to Israel, and Israel can build wherever it wants in Jerusalem. Who should Israel obey? God, or Obama?

You are right Howard, this article is a pile of feces! Israel, please stand your ground

Obama and Biden and H.Clinton and the rest needs to leave Israel's business to them. Jerusalem should never be divided and they are calling God's wrath on America. I don't see Jerusalem over here nosing in our affairs and isn't it so strange that a little nation such as Israel could be such a noose around their necks!

Since they did not remain neutral according to some outside commentary, I guess that makes them our enemy. Credibility of Bibi's administration appears to be a moment to moment thing. His head must be spinning like the proverbial top. We now have the reputation, that no matter what you tell us there is no credibility to it. Also, when your pronouncements do not come from your own mouth but some conflict-of-interest a-hole, you look like a fool. Thanks Bibi.

FYI... Syria and Iran are under US economic sanctions. Israel on the other hands receives billions of US tax payer dollars. What are you talking about ?

The majority of Americans what this mess that has been going on since the 40s to be over and done with. You can't keep 3.5 Million human beings under oppession like the Isarel Government is doing to the PAL people. The PAL people deserve the basic human rights of freedom of movement, freedom to live in peace and the freedom to live without a IDF tank driving by their home.

In 2012 the elections, will probably, depend on economic conditions as it usually does unless there is a war or some "unusual" event. As for Netanyahu, if Obama gets Shalit back, which the US may have promised him; anything might be possible?

i know that he was taken by surprise. he needs to have more control over his ministers. i also know that israel and the u.s. are linked by certain goals. however, the rhetoric needs to be lowered. we cannot have the president and the his people publicly trashing netanyahu or giving him orders. shalom. cipora

He wants Shalit back which the US may have promised him. i would wager that things might change if he is returned. It is Hamas' greatest triumph. If i were a US citizen, i would be a democrat. They will lose seats in the November elections.

I hope the majority of Israel realize that the majority of America is supportive of Israel; however, President Obama lower rating is not from his disagreements with Israel, but the back home policies he is trying it implement. This latest spat is noting more than friends and family arguing, and trying to moves pass it- IT HAPPENS. I also hope the rest of Israel take in consideration that the far right/left fringe elements that post here speaks from America, but does not speak for America. We are a country of mostly centralist that will support our country and president in crunch time, and we also know America and Israel are joined at the hip- probably forever.

....fail to understand, that the right (not only Lieberman's extreme right) in Israel is not yet willing to accept the idea of a sovereign Palestinian state next to Israel, in the same way as Hamas has not yet shown a real commitment on the Palestinian side to do so. Please read the Likud party program, and you know what's up, it says explicitly, that the goal of the Likud party still is to prevent a 2 state solution at any costs. And this is only Likud, not even to talk about Lieberman's party or the religious ones. There is ZERO possibility that a peace accord with Abbas can be reached with the current governement. The only little chance for that would be, if Netanyahu would throw out Lieber- man and the religous parties and bring Kadima into the boat. That is why I believe, that it is Obamas strategy to bring the current Israeli governement down, because he sees it as I do, namely that any negotiations with this governe- ment are a pure waste of time....

"And the law shall go forth from Jerusalem..." Unless I misunderstood the Word of God, there needs to be a reversal of directives.

"Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem" - Likud Platform, 2009 elections This clause of the RECENT Likud Platform, as well as the section stating a rejection of an independent Palestinian state, could have tipped Obama from early on that Netanyahu would not be an easy partner for peace. But Obama is a smart and good man, trying to convince rather than use threats He made some way with Bibi when the latter gave a speech (June 2009) accepting the two-state solution (although Bibi did not dare bring the new policy for government approval - for now it's just words). But Jerusalem was an obstacle of a different order. Obama shows that he is learning from experience. The Republicans refused to participate in the health plan, so he is doing it on his own. It seems that the Jerusalem affair simply presented the US with a golden opportunity, which it grabbed. Good job.

"The point i tried to make was that the Palestinians are sticking by international `decrees` which covers the bits of land incontention whereas Israel is taking this 100% (fractions if you prefer) chopping it up and trying to sell it as a peace deal while keeping the juicy bits." There are no juicy bits in Gaza? It provided a major percentage of Israel's agriculture. There are no juicy bits in the 94% of the West Bank which was offered to them? "That`s like a car thief giving you the car back but keeping your keys rendering it completley useless." Which acre in the West Bank is necessary to start the West Bank? Your analogy stinks. "except in this case we now have c hop shop modifying your car to make it worse and trying to SELL it back to you." Now I am forced to repeat myself, becase you missed it. Jews were only absent from the West Bank and East Jerusalem for 19 years. They reclaimed their properties. You call this Palestinian property that the Jews are trying to sell back?

Despite unprecedented groveling before Moslem world, Obama has not one thing to show for it. Despite spitting on the graves of our 3000 911 victims with his nauseating Cairo speech - zero back in return. Obama promised Israel Arab world "normalization steps" for a "freeze", subsequently turned out Arabs had refused Obama's "normalization" reciprocity request from the start -and he simply lied about to Netanyahu, a double-cross from the outset. Iran? Obama has no Iran anti-nuke moves to reciprocate with because China won't go along - which Obama insured by announcing a massive Taiwan arms deal while negotiations were ongoing. F-35's? Deliveries to Israel delayed past 2016 by technical flaws, and with Obama refusing to let Israel repair battle damage to its own planes, deal is useless. Refusal of Obama regime to loudly denounce Abbas for Fatah call for violence over Hurva synagogue rededication shows this isn't "evenhandedness", no reciprocity for Israeli concessions - so why say "Yes"?

Netanyahu is not a strong leader. Rather, lacking solid convictions (although being a bully towards weaker people), he is unusually subject to acting under pressure. The question is now: Whose pressure would he feel more strongly, his Likud members or the US? In the past, Shamir could stand up to Jim Baker (who gave him the telephone number of the White House in case he was interested in peace). Yes, but Shamir fell in the following Israeli elections. The Israeli public understood where the policy was leading. My guess is that Netanyahu will give in. It might take a little more time, such as when the Labor party threatens to quit the coalition, or when the Quartet comes up with an anti-Israel declaration. Let's just wait and see how Netanyahu tries to arrange a soft landing for himself. He better not climb up too tall a tree.

..since retirement, i haven't traveled overseas, so I'm not in touch with International affairs as I once was. Obama becomes "toast" on the international scene, if he bungles this diplomatic rift. maybe... Personally, I think this is the issue that the Obama Admins. fights for. You and I agree on timing for starting and finishing final status talks; and the timing is "short." It's unknown how long the Arab League keeps their proposal on the table--it started in March '02. Eight years..and only six hours in Annapolis w/ Livni and Olmert. That proposal deserves more attention than one day in Annapolis (p.s. that's where I kept my sailboat.) Under Bush, the Israeli-Pal conflict became static; so regardless of the outcome this rift will move the issues and start dynamics again....

Since 0bama is no more loyal to the US than Brian Mulroney or Pierre Trudeau were to Canada (the two both committed undisguised acts of treason WHILE incumbent as PM's), there is nothing to be gained by saying "yes" to anything 0bama has to offer--as it is no good anyway!

I am surprised at the responses. The choice is simple: Honor your covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or serve man and his covenant. Choose this day whom you will serve--God or man!!

Hi Swiss, Is it not possible that those who support the Right and PM Netanyahu have marked differences themselves in approaching Israel's foreign policies? Just to simplify the matter, the Right's main underlying difference with the supposed Left is that territorial concessions will bring insecurity to Israel and it's a sign of weakness not strength. They've argued that PM Netanyahu and his coalition agrees to the two states alongside each other. I believe that the recent row is similar to other incidents which have embarrassed not only other U.S. officials but also the U.N. under the previous government. This happens in bureaucracies unfortunately. If you think that within Israel, a left-leaning government (which I would prefer myself) is going to sign a peace agreement with the Palestinians, it's not going to happen given the diverse sectors within Israel and the historical precedence in this region. A pragmatic coalition is really Israel's best bet.

...."political death" in mind, I understand that health care and jobs clearly have priority for the American people. I rather meant his international "political death", because this is indeed an important test for him. Many of his Western allies (especially in Europe) have already certain doubts with regard to his steadfastness and leadership qualities. The current crisis with Israel was really big news here in Europe, so if he is going to back down now, he will indeed be seen as a very weak leader, and the U.S. will be seen as a country that you can push around at will.... He simply can't afford that, or he and his administration are toast, at least when it comes to foreign policy. Kind regards....

...Israel is not a make or break issue for Obama. Americas are not that "tuned in" on the Israeli issue. Domestic issue dominate and on the international front the wars will drawf political te'a te' with the P.M. of Israel. 99% of americans could not name Netanyahu as P.M. of israel. Mainstream media has done a good job reporting on the "rift" between the two parties in the last couple of weeks. I think the media will stay with the story until the official response is returned from Netanyahu. Americans are tuned into the money that goes to israel and are mad that Israel does play "fair." Ususally, I'm 100% w/your comments.

Thank you for responding to the barrage of comments coming from a few loud mouthed posters (you know who they are!)

It should be obvious now to anyone that the 67 line is not realistic anymore.Any peace deal will mean exchange of lands on both sides of the 67 line to accomodate population reality.There are 500.000 Israëlis living in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.To ask Israël for a freeze in construction in Jewish neighbourhoods around Jerusalem is Just provocative and Bibi is right to draw a line

....a bloody nose in November, but in the end, they couldn't do a lot with their majority in the House and Senate till today, so it can't get much worse, even if the Republicans will win the majority back (which is still questionable). However, whatever the outcome will be in Novem- ber, it would probably be a bit daring to conclude from that the outcome of the U.S. presidential elections 2012. That's going to be then a very different game...

Now is named General David Petraeus Laughable. So far David Petraeus is killing a lot of Afghans and Iraquis. So far Obama's America is involved in three wars and still holds its veto against Israel bashers in the Security Council. So far any attempt to shift America foreign policy will be tackeld in Congress by the American "people" which are not the Harvard "people" Johnboy should heed a bit more into the history of these two countries to understand that there were several times of tension and misencounters. Johnboy frustartion is logical. He knows that one way or another Nataniahu will come out of it even stronger, and Israel wont be removed neither from Jerusalem, nor from the rest of the West bank. To be honest it bothers me as well, especially in regards to the West bank. However, what can we do, in the moment of truth Israel is stronger than Obama in Congress.

which calls for the Destruction of Israel before Israel says 'yes'. Arabs have done naught so far in the quest of Peace except to make known their demands. This is the least they could do now if they are truly interested in 'peace'.

Also some funny fellows, who lasted one term. The gracious president, well, one must believe that he has yet to mature. Time will tell. The Health Care Bill may well work. At a price, that the US can ill afford. That is in monetary terms. The last of the greatest Presidents appears to be Ronald Reagan. They have named an airport and an aircraft carrier after him. Also some legislators want Ulysses Grant to be replaced with the Gipper on the US.50 bill. Will the same happen to the latest addition in 1600,Pennsylvania Ave, imagine a Nuclear Sub, named the USS Obama. Pres.Obama, is a Democrat who firmly believes in fair play and a host of policies that would have worked well 100 years ago. Today, these policies are treated with contempt by those that wish to rule in a perpetual and harsh manner. Good day, from sweet and snowy Swiss Alps.

If Netanyahu continues to say no, the Labor Party should leave the coalition government. Labor continues to lose credibility by remaining in a government that creates one obstacle after another to a two-state solution. Barak, put your ego aside, and think about the Jewish State and its best interests!

Read history books--You're all wrong about Cuba. America is a superpower; there were two superpowers (former Soveit Union) and now there is one. You're partially right: " money doesn't make you smarter..." but money buys America the best military ever in the history of the planet and money buys the country's (& world's ) best "brian power" so we developed the newest military technology thru America's "National Laboratory System" which brought the world the manhattaan project--the "A-Bomb" dropped on Japan. " The Pals want to destruction of Israel and have the Jews leave - FACT..." Wow Alfredo, this thinking may have applied in the '60s, '70s but not now. There was this event called 9/11 that changed the world. Alfredo, get modern read history, my friedn.

Time to stop those bent on destruction, not those trying to build better lives for their people. Time to stop Islamic dream of destroying Israel from without and within in its march for a totalitarian, oppressive, intolerant world ruled by Mohammed's descendants and followers.

'These three demands come directly from the Pals and Obama is only delivering. ' You wish! All three of course are long-standing, core demands from the UN, supported by the EU, Quartet and now the USA. Jerusalem, refugees and the Jordan Valley must and will be on the negotiating agenda, as they always have been. Netanyahoo's far-right cabal can talk tough to the Israeli audience and try to trick their way round it, but they have no choice but to concede and do so pdq. You do not yank the USA's chain if you are smart. It could bring Netanyahoo to his knees in a day if it wanted. Forget upgrading EU trade ties, forget invites to NATO meetings, forget UN vetos to block the vote on Goldstone and more, forget F35 fighters and military aid - and that's just the start. The bottom line is that the world is not going to be dictated to by a bunch of far right, loopy nationalist zealots who continuously and illegally steal land and bully its owners unmercifully.

Cipora, shalom, I do agree with you. That is, Israel and the PA should negotiate directly. Unfortunately, it is not possible for one main reason. The United States of America has such a massive foothold in the Middle East and intends to maintain its hegemony no matter what. Whilst many disagree with its policies, we must never forget that both Washington and Jerusalem are bound together on some journey that has yet to be mapped out. PM Netanyahu knows only to well how far this umbilical cord can be stretched. I believe he was blindsided by the far right vis a vis the 1600 housing issue. Have a nice day.

"if the americans want to play "honest broker," they cannot take sides--by definition" Sweetheart, what about the resolutions of the last 40 years that ONLY the US & Israel vetoed? what about all the financial aid throughout the years? is that not taking sides? In your rightist logic basically they have to follow everything you say otherwise they are siding with the Pals. How objective of you. The Pals can negotiate for themselves but the situation now WOULD NOT be a 'negotiation'. It would be a side with military power making a dubious offer that they know the weak side will not agree to as it is NOT FAIR (the whole world sees it that way inc. the US). Therefore it gives them the excuse to point fingers & take more land to make it even more impossible to have a peace resolution. Israel cannot expect the whole world to remain complacent & follow every order which is EXACTLY what people like you are arguing for.

Fox does not appear to be your style? The economy, unfortunately, will hurt the Demoncrats in November which is a shame. Obama should have prosecuted the banks, but it is too late and he has lost momentum. Anything Obama does now will work against him no matter correct it is. That is politics in the US.

more problems. He is pushing the line the wrong way. He is also breaking the American constitution. The health bill should be simple but he is attempting to push through a padded bill that Americans don't want. Democrats like myself are planning to vote him out just like we did Carter. The American people need to see that Obama is destroying the US constitution and the peaceful world order. the world leader is driving drunk

president Obama. He cares nothing about Israel or the US. His policies are destructive and creating the wrong outcome. Do not give in th earabs have given nothing

"What is "all their land as internationally recognized?" The international community calls for mutually recognized negotiated borders. You don`t believe they are entitled to 100% of the land, simply because Jordan captured it in 1948 and kicked all the Jews out, do you?" The point i tried to make was that the Palestinians are sticking by international 'decrees' which covers the bits of land incontention whereas Israel is taking this 100% (fractions if you prefer) chopping it up and trying to sell it as a peace deal while keeping the juicy bits. That's like a car thief giving you the car back but keeping your keys rendering it completley useless. except in this case we now have c hop shop modifying your car to make it worse and trying to SELL it back to you. Analogies aside the Pals are trying to stick the letter of the law wrt international courts and Israel isn't. Simple really.

The editorial of Haaretz claims in vain for a more reasonable actitude from Netanyahu. It is no time for rhetoric anymore. The government of Israel should speak clearly and truely about peace. To offer an insult to Joe Biden or Obama is not the best way to promote peace. After all, are the American soldiers who die for Israel. To build new projects in Palestinian land is not, definitely, the best way to live in peace. This is so clear for us, who live in countries where Palestinians and Jews have good relations. People of good will around the world should support ideas as exposed by Haaretz.the only way to construct peace is to act sincerely.

Thanks for your post. I agree, if only the people could speak and not the politicians with their egoistic claptrap. Have a nice day.

since they effectively have the power of veto over his policies. Still, nothing stopping him from calling in Kadima and ditching the lunatic fringe including the FM-is there.

"What Iran really does have, are a massive young and well educated population that seek FREEDOM." I agree.The iranian people must be helped trough smart power not confrontation.Progress in the IP conflict would be a good step to convince and moderate the moslem world.PEACE and FREEDOM are the aims.Good Day.

Obama already tried to force Netanyahu into a settlement freeze. Obviously that didn't work. Why would Netanyahu listen to Obama now with nothing in return from the Palestinians? Israelis won't go for it. He'll lose his office if he caves in.

Nobody is advocating a war with the Regime in Tehran. That is bombs, missiles or a marching Israeli Army. Israel, is so far advanced in high tech space ordinance that should it so choose, they could well shut down Tehran. The idea that Israel is some third world country astounds many. Lets be fair. Iran, cannot even build a cellphone, never mind a super computer. They are, 95% Hype and the rest is building tractors and bicycles for export. All those great technical strides in missile technology comes either in kit form, or decades old solid fuel rocketry. What Iran really does have, are a massive young and well educated population that seek FREEDOM. That is the essence of today's lesson, Sam. Have a nice day.

Well said Haaretz Editorial. But would it be possible that Bibi can accept the US demands bearing in mind what he has done since he took office. As a Palestinian longing for peace and security among both sides, what Bib has done is clear: he frankly announced that he's not interested in a Palestinian state, increased the base of building settlements, and challenged the world! For the international community, Israeli ties with the US as well as the EU has been turbulent. But we should not disregard the fact that these policies by Bibi and his government are also fueling the sense of enemy in the Arab world and thus increasing Israeli enemies and losing friends such as moderate governments. The latter issue has been clearly announced by the US as a strategic threat on their interests in the middle east. I dont think that Israelis have an interest to get more enemies and lose their friends. Therefore, they should work on making it clear for Bibi that peace is the only way.

....down on this one, he has (publicly) set the bar far too high here, and world leaders all around the globe are watching very carefully. Maybe the Obama administration has decided to keep on fighting behind closed doors, which would be absolutely reasonable. But there is absolutely no way, that the U.S. will retract from its 3 demands, otherwise Obama will be toast.... ....and that won't happen with the guys from Chicago, you bet on that. In the end, Bibi is simply going to obey to the "big boss", as it should be....:)

It's really depressing, the number of posters who insist that arabs and arab states are all irrational, willing to destroy Israel at the 1st chance, not to be trusted, mad mullahs yada yada yada. This predjudice-laden premise is then used to justify everything from Israeli beligerence,destruction of Gaza,repression of the PALs, building in E.Jerusalem to nukes and the settlements etc. Maybe the premise is wrong. Maybe the premise is the problem? Maybe what the arabs want is justice, maybe what the arabs want is fairness & equality? Maybe if Israeli's want to live in peace they need to change this tiresome unbelievable "music" of victimhood, persecution and martyrdoom that serves no purpose except to incite more anger, more extremism and more aggression. Almost no one outside Israel believes this tattered crap - Maybe Israel needs to start asking ITSELF why they don't and stop shouting and start listening for a change ?

the borders of a sovereign Palestinian state. The armed Israeli/Jewish fanatics living within those borders will go crazy because the IDF will have to pull out of that new sovereign nation.

... for once a point on which we can concur... the Pals did indeed miss the chance-of-a-lifetime, the chance-of-a-generation... whatever they can eke out now, has already been eroded by the settlements...

"....at least another 3 years of the Obama administration, that`s a heck of a long time for picking up a nonstop fight!:" Have you noticed that the Obama administration is already backing down, dippy? Thanks for the approval ratings -- lowest of any 1st year president since the polls have been taken. Do you think the numbers will improve after this health care debacle?

"It is a shame that the Palestinians are losing out on this one BUT they are sticking to the legal principle that Israel owes them all of their land as internationally recognised." What is "all their land as internationally recognized?" The international community calls for mutually recognized negotiated borders. You don't believe they are entitled to 100% of the land, simply because Jordan captured it in 1948 and kicked all the Jews out, do you?

... dealing with his own litigations, before he could clinch anything, and then the Bibi took over...

Jordan, too, was part of Palestine. Today, 70% of the Jordanians are palestinian.Now, the pals want the whole of Israel, Judea, Samaria and Gaza, but won't even recognize Israel's Jewish character.Then, since Jordan has a pal majority, they'd want all that, too.Now that you know a little more facts, what would you say, if you were in Israel's shoes, Ben?

1.Why are you so certain that the M.A.D.principle of the Cold War applies to the irrational mullah regime? Even if Israel has 200 nuclear weapons, it takes only ONE to destroy Israel's largest population concentration.After a nuclear detonation over Israel, RW, it doesn't really matter to me that Israel destroys Iran afterwards, since Israel would cease existing. That's why 200 Israeli nuclear warheads do not form a deterrence against Iran. 2.Iran, with its constant terror against Israel and the West has long ago declared war on us.Your use of the term 'declaration of war' is really outdated and irrelevant. 3.Nothing prevents Iran from passing on a nuclear warhead to one of its proxies, e.g. hizbollah. Hizbollah wouldn't hesitate sacrificing Lebanon, just to please its Iranian masters.Iran would also deny any involvement.What then, RW? 'Gee, Sorry, Israel.We simply didn't think about that?"

....at least another 3 years of the Obama administration, that's a heck of a long time for picking up a nonstop fight!:) Since you seem to like poll numbers, here are some other ones for you (I got them from FOX News, so you might hopefully trust them): Approve Disapprove President Obama 48.8 % 46 % U.S. Congress 19 % 75.9 % In view of those numbers, and many of the responses on the U.S. political blogs over the past days, I wouldn't wanna be too sure, who mainstream America will side with here. Yes, a clear majority of Americans strongly supports Israels right to exist, but the same strong majority also opposes Israels settlement policies....

"You wouldn`t have rejected the 67 borders? You do know that the `67 borders` exluded key pieces of land AND had major caveats on it don`t you?" Absolutely. You know that Jordan captured the territories and kicked all the Jews off of those territories, right? "You`re telling me you would have accepted LESS than you were legally (and still are) entitled to?" Why do you believe the Palestinians are entitled to 100% of the territories Jew-free? What do you believe their, "legal" entitlements were?

"Only Israel can solve this clear and present danger." The world economy can not afford a big war in the ME.The consequences will be apocalyptic for the whole world.Stop playing with fire.

"Now may I tell you, dear Mr. President, how I feel these days when I turn to the creator of my soul in deep gratitude. I feel as a Prime Minister empowered to instruct a valiant army facing Berlin where amongst innocent civilians, Hitler and his henchmen hide in a bunker deep beneath the surface. My generation, dear Barack, swore on the alter of God that whoever proclaims his intent to destroy the Jewish state or the Jewish people, or both, seals his fate, so that which happened once on instruction from Berlin---with or without inverted commas--- will never happen again" Menahem Begin

Forgot to answer your question ... my point in the previous post is that if you're legally entitled to it then you would fight tooth and nail for it. It is a shame that the Palestinians are losing out on this one BUT they are sticking to the legal principle that Israel owes them all of their land as internationally recognised.

You wouldn't have rejected the 67 borders? You do know that the '67 borders' exluded key pieces of land AND had major caveats on it don't you? You're telling me you would have accepted LESS than you were legally (and still are) entitled to? I would love to be your insurer, i would have a field day with that preferential attitude of yours.

olmert and abbas had negotiated without one-sided brokers. abbas said no. the palestinians always say no. that is unlike the jews who had accepted partition. did anyone negotiate in place of the battered jews? no? then why can't the palestinians negotiate for themselves? are they children? if the arabs, the europeans, americans, and now brazil, would mind their own business, it would be better for all concerned. however, if the americans want to play "honest broker," they cannot take sides--by definition.

Not the PA. That's why America's military are telling him that Israel's actions and America's apparent compliance or indifference is now placing American lives at risk. Hence Gen McChrystal's message to Obama. Get some credibility in the M.East and stop acting as 'Israel's attorney'. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/22/AR2005052200883.html

"SDHD, do me a favour here put yourself in the Palestinians shoes. If you wanted a state where would you want it? " I wouldn't have rejected 181. I wouldn't have rejected the 1967 offer. I wouldn't have rejected the Clinton parameters. Put yourself in the Palestinians' shoes. Have they achieved a state by rejecting a state every time one is offered to them?

Israel tore up those agreements and insisted that negotiations start fresh with no preconditions. It's plausible that a new agreement might include Ramat Shlomo for Israel. But it would take a new agreement.

Your pals should have accepted a state any number of times by now. How are the rights Hamas is providing for their own people holding up these days?

... could now stand up to Israel and demand elementary rights for themselves, without some fair broker acting as referee?!...

SDHD, do me a favour here put yourself in the Palestinians shoes. If you wanted a state where would you want it? (without trying to smart here - avoid Jordan and any other Arab state). Now take a step back and look at what Israel is doing THEN tell me what you would do about it bearing in mind the Israeli responses to all manners of actions that the PA have tried and then tell everyone here what YOU would do differently and how long you would stick at that tactic? Their actions are a symptom of Israeli behaviour and i cannot (from the comfort of my own chair) see what the PA or Hamas can do differently.

Concerning Iran's possible development of a nuclear weapon: For what strategic purpose do you think Israel now possesses over 200 nuclear weapons and several delivery systems? What effect do you suppose the fact that Israel has over 200 nuclear bombs that can even be launched from submarines have on Iran's thinking while contemplating the offensive deployment of a nuclear bomb aimed at Israel? Just curious. Second, if the US or Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facilities do you think Iran would consider that an act of war? Which proxies of Iran might Iran utilize in retaliation to an act of war by the US or Israel? Are they quite near Israel? Yes they are. Think about that.

Say what? Say "non-interference in the internal affairs" of its friends as well as its enemies. That's what the US should say. Or perhaps "recognise the Jewish State of Israel first" to the Palestinians. Or maybe, say "stop glorifying suicide bombers" or "stop threatening more violence and intifadas". Just hope Obama doesn't wreck the US - Australian alliance when he calls in here for a day, later this month

Harretz please post this to all of you Israel's nieghbores and the palastinans are not the ones building on a land which doesn't belong to them , they are not controling 4 million people and opressing them, your arrogant has blinded you , if Israel wants any peace it must at least do these simlist thinks which the previous Israeli Prime Ministers have agreed and done it in the past, I just can't beleive the people of israel have elected a govrnment like the current one , so must be that most people in Israel are from radical right , why don't be true to yourselfs and just say we are not interested in peace ... But all your govermont is saying we are want peace but we are not going to do anything or give any price , what a logic !!

You don't believe the Palestinians are entitled to 100% of 22% of historic Palestine? You believe Israel is entitled to more than 78%? You rightists are amazing--78% is not enough,it's not enough compensation, you gotta have more, you gotta grab it all, and for this you're willing to drag everybody else into it and abuse your one friend the U.S. You can't step back and see what you are doing. What insufferable selfish chutzpah and exceptionalism. What self-deluding, self-aggrandizing victims of your own ideology you are. The world is tired of this.

the u.s. should stop playing the proxy of the palestinian authority. negotiations should be between israel and the pa.

Israel is a sovereign country. It is NOT a colony of USA or any country. Netanyahu's first responsibility is to protect Israel's sovereignty and the nation of Israel, and not cow to any external entities that pressure Israel to compromise its sovereignty and national security interests.

i was not talking about retreat. that is your term.

....almost another 3 years of the Obama administration, I would say that's a heck of a long time for a nonstop fight !!:) Here a few poll numbers that might be of interest for you (got them from FOX News!): Approve Disapprove President Obama 48.8 % 46 % U.S. Congress 19 % 75.9 % In view of those numbers, I'm not so sure who the mainstream Americans will side with on this dispute, a vast majority of Americans strongly support Israels right to exist, but the same vast majority also strongly opposes Israels settlement policy..... P.S. Didn't Bibi Netanyahu state a while ago, that "9/11 was good for Israel"...???:)

SDHD: "Yes, johnboy, we know. The Islamic countries hate the Jewish country and anyone who sides with the Jewish country won`t get as many concessions from the Islamic countries. Might as well blame the Jews for that, eh?" Ho-hum, SDHD. Complain to General Petraeus, not to me. He's the dude who makes the point, all I'm doing is pointing you towards the source. Here is where you should vent your spleen: General David Petraeus CENTCOM The Pentagon Washington, DC United States of America I'm sure he will indulge you in a very civil conversation, and he'll be tickled pink by your display of zionist good cheer, politeness, and quiet and pleasant attitude. Or, then again, he might simply take you for a foul-mouthed and ignorantly racist bigot.

If Netanyahu doesn't say YES to Obama, he is saying NO also to the Palestinians. by so doing he displays overtly his unwillingness to compromise with trhe Arabs. This is a foolish and irresponsible approach. I am asking myself what are the US interests in such a prime minister? Or does America draw any advantages from this attitude? probably yes. America is the more powerful unless it is lead by even more powerful lobbies who live on conflicts, wars and blood shedding which may support their arm industries...

I simply don't believe they are entitled to 100% of the territories. Additionally, Israel has the right to safe and secure borders. Negotiations over borders, security concerns, and a few other items have been sticking points all the way along. Even when the Palestinians WERE offered a state on any number of occasions, they have declined the offers because they weren't good enough. Sadly for them, every time they receive an offer, it's for less... Natural consequence of time moving on. Ooops.

"US policy on Jerusalem or the settlements has not changed since 1967. Obama is pursuing the same policy as Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush and Clinton." Now all you have to do is read the Clinton parameters for a start. "The US never recognized the annexation." No administration has ever been this hostile toward and placed these many demands upon Israel. NEVER.

With his biased foreign policy, it is clear that Obama wants to deserve his Nobel Peace Prize by forcing 'peace' up Israel's throat, even if this means the end of Israel.Israel should simply say NO and keep on doing that until the Americans will vote their bungling president out of office.If the USA are truly Israel's friend, then they should start fighting terror, including Iran, Syria, hamas and hizbollah.Obama's actions in the Middle East can be compared to Chamberlain's declaration of 'Peace in our time', just before World War 2.For all those lefties who say that Iran is only Israel's problem, I have this to say to you: remember 9/11.If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, 9/11 will be peanuts in comparison.Obama, you don't fight Iran with empty declarations condemning Israel.You fight Iran by eliminating its nuclear program and fighting Irans's proxies.It's time for Obama to stop experimenting with foolish and naive policies and start taking his head out of his behind.It's starting to smell.

those Israelis who oppose a Palestinian state what they propose instead? The status quo? Do you think the Palestinians will just forget about the fact that they are being ruled over by a foreign military by force? Do you think they will resign themselves to having no human rights, no civil rights, no self-determination and control over their own affairs? There was the first intifada, there was the second intifada, why do you think that if things stay the same there will not be a third intifada? Things can get awfully ugly. Do you prefer such an outcome where you permanently rule over the Palestinians as captives? I think you ought to consider these questions seriously. No one lives naturally ruled by another people. They eventually attempt to win their freedom. What do you suggest calling Palestine when there are more Palestinians than Jews ruled over by Israel, with Palestinians denied citizenship? It won't be a democracy. Think about that.

... even the last Bush was glad to hand-the-hot-potato to his successor...

It's time for Obama to say yes to Netanyahu! Really, US administration should finally to understand Jerusalem's unigue situation, according to the Holy Scriptures. As well Haaretz's editors

... should not artificially cut the city in half, but that it be a united city ruled by both Israel and Palestine, Israel to the West and Palestine to the East... ... it sounds utopian... it could certainly qualify as a light-unto-the-nations emanating from Jerusalem...

It's time for us to stop deluding ourselves: the PLO was originally created by the former Soviet Union in order to counter the USA and its proxy Israel.Arafat is known to have been a KGB agent.Abbas is part of the old pal guard: inept and corrupt.The only difference between Abbas and hamas is that Abbas doesn't OPENLY declare he wants to eliminate Israel.Abbas does not control more than Ramallah.It's not for nothing that he is nicknamed the 'Mayor of Ramallah'.Abbas doesn't make any concessions to Israel: he only wants Israel to make one-sided concessions, just for Abbas to participate in peace talks, without even recognizing Israel as the Jewish State.The real problem with the pals is the following: as long as their will to destroy Israel is stronger than their will to create their own state, the palestinians will NEVER have their state.Now, due to the PA's corruption and ineptitude, the pals prefer hamas over Abbas.Abbas is finished.In other words: WHAT peace partner?

Why use military language in political talk? There are no winner OR looser in this conflict, as you might understand. Either it is a lose-lose or a win-win deal.

these three demands come directly from the Pals and Obama is only delivering. Call it "indirect" pressure.

"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." - Barack H. Obama (2008)

it would seem that everybody is saying 'NO' to Obama, domestic and foreign! this 'crisis' will pass only to see another 'crisis'! deja vu!

It musn't remain always the same.Life is dynamic.US and Japan, France and Germany are today the best friends.Whith creativity, courage,give-and-take and compassion can the differences be overcome and PEACE realized.

US policy on Jerusalem or the settlements has not changed since 1967. Obama is pursuing the same policy as Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush and Clinton. Only Bush (the incompetent) deviated. The US never recognized the annexation. NEVER The US never recognized any Israeli right of conquest. NEVER

Renewed sanctions against Syria CHECK Was the 1st President to hold SEDAR in the White House CHECK Will fully fund the development of Arrow 3 ballistic missile system CHECK Maintain ambiguity on Israel's nuclear program? CHECK LIST GOES ON AND ON.

Domestically? Easy. He has taken on FFEL, made high-quality child care a priority, allowed nuclear plant contracts for the first time in 30 years, I can actually go on and on.

....3 more years, that you will have to endure this Obama administration, I would say that's a heck of a long time to pick up a nonstop fight with!:) By the way, current approval ratings in the U.S. (got it from FOX NEWS!!): Pres. Obama Approve: Disapprove: 48.8 % 46 % U.S. Congress Approve: Disapprove: 19 % 75.9 % Not so sure, who the mainstream American people will side here with (especially in view of many of the responses over the past few days on the mayor U.S. political blogs!). Most Americans strongly support Israels right to exist, but only a small minority supports right-wing Israels settlement policies.... P.S. By the way, quite a few Americans will also have heard that Netanyahu stated about a year ago "that 9/11 was good for Israel"....

"successive USA administrations have been averse to Israel`s policies and attitudes towards our immediate neighbor`s," Now all you have to do is point out when Israel has been condemned as harshly by any other administration. You can't. It's the administration's attitude which is different, not Israel's. "kid-gloves have been useless." You unwittingly have proven my point. This administrations attitude is different.

Its Netanyahu who was elected to run Israel and make policy not Obama and if Obama believes in ddemocracy then he will butt out of situations that do not concern him. Even the US Congress recognized Jerusalem as Israels capital in 1995 and they said nothing about which part of the city will be recognized as Israeli territory. They even passed a law that the embassy should be moved to Jerusalem. So basically until things change officially the US Congress recognizes every inch of Jerusalem as Israeli soverign territory and the president has no right to overrule Congress and although the arabs might demand Jerusalem as their capital nothing has been agreed on yet and until a deal is done its nothing more than a demand which can be rejected. If the Israeli government wants to build houses in Jerusalem then build If the Israeli government wants to rededicate a synagogue in Jerusalem they do it. The US has midterms soon & Democrat senators don't want to loose their jobs because of Obama

"Israel to question his determination is a serious insult. " What has he achieved so far? He waffles so much, you can pour syrup on him and have him for breakfast. But, he reserves his toughest talk for a traditional ally. And his tough talk is ridiculous.

"... more "respect" than Israel... his relations with them are merely formal, but he certainly lets them know, overtly and covertly of all that he disapproves" Of course, we heard from Obama loud and clear when Iranians were dying after the vote. Esther, you don't speak about facts. You merely mutter convenient gibberish which you think will support your argument.

... to Israel's policies and attitudes towards our immediate neighbor's, the Pals... kid-gloves have been useless... because of that leniency we are now pushing the situation to nether extremes, and to hell with protocol... no other USA administration has been treated as brazenly as Bibi et al are treating Obama...

over Iranian sanctions, for Israel to question his determination is a serious insult. Especially when the end-result is war.

... more "respect" than Israel... his relations with them are merely formal, but he certainly lets them know, overtly and covertly of all that he disapproves... Israel is supposed to be a friend and ally, but uses that status to spit-in-his-eye without hesitation... thus far he has been too polite to do anything about it, but now our behaviour and strategy towards our neighbors, the Pals, are reaching perilous extremes... he certainly feels an obligation to both, even if his obligation to us generally takes precedence...

As Iranian citizen i have to say I hate Hamas and Israel's right wing party and all the religious radicals in the world such as evangelic Christians (i.e. Sarah Pauline ) and Muslim radical and whomever thinks they have privilege before god because of some kind of label . If there is judgment day it will not be based upon how many verses of Quran or Bible or Talmud you recite every day , it will based upon the love and compassion you have in your heart for other innocent people all around the world . The majority of Iranian people have been under enough pressure in past thirty years to come this state of mind . Now it's time for US and the world to change their policy towards Israel and cut support of Israel , So the Israeli extremist (Which I believe are the majority of Israelis) and the rich , powerful PEOPLE in AIPAC would realize what a monster they have turned in to .

We know the Islamic countries hate the Jewish country and you don't get as many concessions from the Islamic countries if you don't throw the Jewish country under the bus. But, johnboy has no problem with that dynamic.

put more pre-conditions on the table.

"You can continue with the "Status Quo", but apart from alienating your very last friend in this world, " Israel isn't alienating the U.S. This screwy little administration, which lied about it's position on Israel while it was campaigning, won't last long. You think the Palestinians dancing in the streets over 9/11 endear themselves to the U.S. more than Israel which has helped with U.S. security? And don't blame Israel for 9/11 either. That was the U.S. presence on Saudi soil which pissed them off. And that was to help Kuwait after Iraq attacked and annexed it.

One can be sure that Washington cannot afford a stand up fight with Iran. For they are handicapped. By history. The DPRK is such an example. Only Israel can solve this clear and present danger. The question is when? The top US General stated that Iran is in fact not able to produce a nuclear device this year. A smokescreen or truth.? Maybe he is right. Then again, who wants to take a bet, surely not with another 6 million Jewish lives in Israel.? Have a nice day.

Yes, johnboy, we know. The Islamic countries hate the Jewish country and anyone who sides with the Jewish country won't get as many concessions from the Islamic countries. Might as well blame the Jews for that, eh?

....that time is on Israels side. Believe me, it is not. You can continue with the "Status Quo", but apart from alienating your very last friend in this world, I can guarantee you, that one day, when there simply will be no more possibility (from a logistical point of view) to retreat from the West Bank, you will find yourself with the choice of granting the Arabs/Palestinians in that new "Greater Israel" full Israeli citizenship, or if you reject, prepare yourself for a full scale "South-Africa treatment" by the International community, until you will be willing to give in on that matter (with all the following conse- quences for the demographics in Israel). No doubt, the Jewish people are a very smart people (as your many Nobel Prize winners clearly show), but at times, they are also an incredibly dumb and short-sighted people. At least those among them, who still believe that time is on Israels side....

Israel said yes to renewed peace talks. Israel said yes to discussion of a 2-state solution. Israel said yes to removal of roadblocks (and a Rabbi was murdered). Israel said yes to a partial building freeze. The Palestinians kept saying no. What are the bubbleheads on about?

It seems to me to be absolutely right to continue with planning and all other official business in Jerusalem both east and west as is required. Far from being an obstacle to peace it is an incentive. If it is understood that life goes on regardless of whether the Palestinians come to the table or not they will come running. Freeze everything and they have all the time in the world. It seems Obama and company should stop pampering to Abas and forge ahead. Plans that wouldn't come to fruition for years are not the obstacle.

Iran will go nuclear thanks to Obama's non policies and is pressuring Israel to give the Palestinians more one sided concessions while not telling the truth about its new Iranian policy. This crisis is a smoke screen for the real issue of not wanting Israel to do anything against Iran on its own while Obama will not use force to stop them from going nuclear.

I'll point out that General Petraeus is giving testimony to the Senate Arms Services Committee right this very moment. Interesting timing, that, since it has been reported in the US media (but not by the Israeli media, I'll note) that this Administration's all-new get-tough stance has been driven by a urgent warning that Petraeus sent to the Joint Chief's in January. The message: CENTCOM was being told by, well, anyone and everyone that Israeli intransigence (and American kowtowing) is putting his GI's at Very Grave Risk. Petraeus clearly believed what he was hearing, hence that dire warning to Mullen who, obviously, in turn thoroughly spook the White House. Gonna be interesting to see if any of the Senators have the balls to ask Petraeus to comment on that January briefing..... Maybe not; the food and drink at the AIPAC conference is too good to pass up, so why ask questions that can get you into hot water with The Lobby....

Sure, money does not make you smart. Chasing chickens in the dark, without a flashlight makes you look stupid. Politicians tend to seek the gravy train, or in the case of the US, the pork barrel.In many cases a premature Nobel Peace Prize, as in the above instance may well be construed as a carte blanche for demands well above the possibilities of any sitting government in Israel. Israel has taken its position, no doubt some compromises will be made, however, they will be slight..compared to what the enlightened and gracious president has in mind. Israel cannot back down. For, now we all know the truth. The right wing, have no wish for a two state solution. Rather to divide up the West Bank with Jordan. As stated by the mayor of Ariel. Time to buy batteries for the failing light of a flashlight, then again, where are the chickens.? I know,...in Washington. Good day.

The destruction of Israel??? We already had OSLO we do not need OSLO part II!

It's not Netanyahu's fault that the Obama administration places demands upon Israel which no other administration ever has.

Stupidity, the 'mark of excellence' of our Govt. Eli Yishai and his acolytes have shown us what a bunch of incompetent bureaucrats are capable of doing to our country. When finished (if we let them),Israel's map will probably be 3/4 or 1/2 the size of 1948. I suppose that Israelis get their adrenaline running high only when seduced by this once-in-a-lifetime deal at the Azrieli complex. As far as politics? Well let's see what H&M has in store for us in Jerusalem first. Meanwhile let Bibi run the show.

precisely. which is why it is totally incomprehensible that obama treats them with more respect than he treat his ally, israel. obama needs to understand that in fact israel is one of amercia's strongest allies. america cannot count fully on any other country besides israel in the middle east. regardless of his ideological bent, and regardless of secret threats from the region, this is the case. syria has finally informed the administration that they will not give up their alliance with iran. russia is snubbing the u.s., as has been reported by various papers. europe is unwilling to provide troops. the palestinians either come to the table, now, without pre-conditions, or else they will have nothing. contrary to what they think, time is not on their side.

....of this showdown, at least if Israel won't be willing to fulfill the demands made by the Obama administration. Honestly, I would be very surprised if it would be the American president. But whatever the outcome will be, the political damage for Israel (in view of U.S. public support) has already been done.... Make no mistake about that.

Thanks to Ha'aretz editors for clearly stating what a sane and forward looking approach would look like.

the dimocrats continue to show that they are braindead and sent two of their leading nitwits to speak. if the usa is to be an honest broker in proximity talks THEY HAVE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL ! the game is over and the usa has screwed it up totally !

"Yes to Obama"? Does he represent the PA? Israel is negotiating with the PA - Obama should butt out with his demands.

we are giving isreal Billions of our tax money and what we get in return.....INSULTS. It is time the American people look deep at Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby.

As a non Jewish American, I support Israel to fullest-as do most of my country men. However, make no mistake about it, when it comes to our President and America, Israel is second. So, Mr. Netanyahu, please trade carefully.

... nor do they receive from the USA the excessive material bounties that Israel takes for granted from the USA...

as the song goes, the palestinians have finally realized that time is on their side not the israelis. The minimum required for peace is the 67 borders nothing less. Israel is stubborn and won't agree to relinquish east jerusalem or large colonies in the west bank. Fine. Palestinians can wait, they have done so for 42 years already, they are in no rush. But the price will never decrease. another decade of this nonsense and palestinians may demand a one state solution including the return of refugees. As for Syria, time is also on her side. Syria's demands are clear, a return of Golan and Chebba farms (to lebanon). Israel is too stubborn and does not want to give up the Golan. Fine. Syria will wait, they have done so for 42 years... Meanwhile Hezbollah gathers more rockets, Palestinians continue their struggle, Iran is reaping political benefits in the arab world, and Israel is spending Billions on an IDF that must contain palestinians and Hezbollah...

I agree wholeheartedly with your Editorial. Hillary Clinton spoke for me and all Americans in calling the Biden incident an affront and an insult to the United States. I would have expected Netanyahu to fire those members of his Cabinet responsible for such stupid action. I was appaled to see that instead he dumped this matter in the hands of a Committee. What is there to investigate? Strong Governments take the "bullies by the horns" and gore them.

I am surprised to see even Israelis willing to give in to America, like america has never been wrong in their approach to international politics. Look at the Fiasco in Cuba - who looked for america first then after american policy blunder, Cuba went for Russia - then look at anywhere. America believes they are superior - Money does not make you smarter, as America has proven it time and time again,let the people sort their own problems. I hope bibby stands strong. The Pals do not want peace - The Pals just want the destruction of Israel, for Jews to leave Israel - FACT. Israelis like the author of this article, will never understand that, its like chasing a Chicken int the dark - it will never happen. Get with it.

There is no question that the building in Jerusalem is preventing real peace talks. If the status of Jerusalem is not on the table, then there can be no real talks on a two state solution, and we should get right to the discussion of ending apartheid in the one state. The only chance for a Jewish state is slipping away quickly.

From this constant gesturing lsrael is going to collapse of exhaustion. Clearly, the present row is a mere excuse for the americans to put on the squeeze and by doing so, appearing as a bully. By appeasing a bully you are encouraging the very thing you want to prevent.

It's about time that Bibi doubles the number of housing units to be built as an answer to Obama's pressure. Israel is not a vassal state of the USA and she should stop acting like one. The Israeli government should not allow Obama to kiss up to the Arabs and Moslems on the backs of Jews. Tell Mitchell that when he is ready to come speak to Bibi, he should call ahead to see if the calendar is clear. Remember the words of Hatikvah,"...to be a free nation on our land."

There are one demand from each side that should be non negotiable. 1. Hamas needs to recognize Israel 2. Israel needs to stop settlements in occupied territories. If peace is desired. Those two demands needs to be respected and as long as none of the parties aren't willing to do sooooo little just shows that some parts of the Israeli government doesn't want peace.

Isrel agreed to halt ALL construction back in 2003, and that was ratified by the Knesset. Israel has no excuse for failing to carry out that complete and total freeze, Jason. N.O.N.E. J: "Even abbas agreed israel could keep ramat shlomo" But he did NOT agree that Israel could keep breaking new ground int here even as the two sides were still seeking that final agreement. And because he did NOT agree Israel could do this then Israel is NOT entitled to do this i.e. he hasn't signed anything away, and so the Road Map committments are still binding on Israel. **sheesh** Your logic is this: 1) Because Abbas has suggested that he *will* sign this away THEN 2) Israel is entitled to act *as* *if* he has already signed EVEN THOUGH 3) he *has* *not* signed onto this. Man, that's got "chutzpah" written all over it, hasn't it?

... to be replaced by someone with a clue about diplomacy. This fiasco has done nothing but to hurt Israel.

all prior understandings that were reached by previous Israeli governments. This includes the transfer of Ramat Shlomo to Israel, the Roadmap, land exchanges, etc. With regards to Syria, why should Syria do anything that benefits Israel? Israel says the Golan Heights will not be returned. If you were Syrian, you would do the same thing. I don't mind someone being pro-Israeli, but at least provide reasonable arguments.

Jason, i think you're right on your points, yet... it's called diplomacy. one can be right, and yet not wise in handling the situation. i'm with israel on all counts, but, imho, israelis are terrible diplomats, and Bibi is the worst of the israeli ones. and yes, america applies double standards. oh well. it's america. we invaded iraq for no good reason and killed the native americans. we suck and all that. everything else is the arab and iranian fault. i'm not being sarcastic here. but at the moment it'll probably be wise of Bibi to give Obama what he asked for.

You write: "Stagnation in the diplomatic process..." That made me laugh. Wake up! There is no diplomatic process. A "yes" to Obama from Netanyahu would be meaningless. Israel has done an excellent job of pretending it wants peace, but it's actions are clearly a strategy of deception and procrastination. Efforts by the US have been a waste of time for too many years. It is time for the US to cut itself off from peace efforts with Israel as an ally and start working for peace by taking the side of the Palestinians.

haaretz alway advocates the capitulation of israel. in return for what?! iran-syria have openly rebuffed and humiliated obama and his secratary of state. the sunni arab states no longer trust him. they have the impudence to call america weak. saudi arabia has its fingers in every pie. everywhere they sow discord. they blackmail their closest western allies. iran is continuing with building nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. there are 100,000 missiles aimed at israel. netanyahu needs to remind obama of this simple fact. the missiles will not disappear by magic. israel cannot show weekness. israel must remain strong in the face of friend and foe. israel must make it clear that she is willing to engage in direct talks with abbas. but israel cannot capitulate to obama's dictates.

of the idiocy of the Israeli mind set. Israelis need to grow up, and fast!

Little wonder such a large majority of the western world sees Israel as the greatest threat to world peace ....greater than Korea, Iran or even the US under Bush. It amazes me that a people who constantly bemoan their persecution can so eagerly persecute others in pursuit of their own self righteousness. Israel treats the UN with utter contempt yet expects others to respect international treaties. If I was an Israeli, I would now be hanging my head in shame at our disgusting behaviour!

Jason, you are missing the point...Israel has always claimed they had no negotiating partner on the Palestinian side. Well, the world sees Abbas as that partner now. But Israel is now creating the obstacles to peace. So yes it's time to prove you are serious about a negotiated settlement. Just to clarify that is "settlement" as in deal not land grab kind....Clear?

why must israel change its rational policies for america?

It is not time to give in to this administration! Many of us in America are ashamed of the way these politicians have treated one of our greatest allies,we will remove these pariahs from office please have faith in us! Iam a christian however if the political winds should change I will still stand with the jews.

It's time for Netanyahu to tell Obama, "Our Planes Are In The Air, You're Either With Us Or You're With The Terrorists"

That's the only solution.

Many here in the US are well aware that Obama has taken the side of acting palestinian advocate. Only by Netanyahu standing up to our arab appeasing president is there a chance that the US government will at least become neutral. Haaretz has apparently not noticed that Obama has made NO demands of the palestinians nor any of Israel's arab neighbors.

Say no to Obama.

obama is a left wing ideologue, who deeply believes in the palestinian narrative, as they have told it, from the mouths of close friends like khalidi, said etc...suffice to say, the last 10 months of subtle statements, the creeping innuendo, about loan guarantees(james jones), about security committments(clinton), the delays in weapons programs(f-22,f-35,gbu-29's), the obfuscations, the US embassy reopening in syria, turning a blind eye to hezbollah and its illegal weapons, verrry subtly using goldstone and his trumped up farce, etc..etc..all of it adds up to obama either being anti israel OR naively thinking he can win over the arabs and still support israel. It wont work. Tough love runs both ways- on balance, israel has always had the moral high ground and still does, and THAT is what people hate, rather than hating the HATERS and anti west jihadist killers. wake up people, obama is not ushering in peace. It will end in disaster.

Israel has the absolute right to build anywhere it wants in Jerusalem. This is part of Israel. How about if Israel tells Obama he can;t build in eastern Washington DC? This "spat" is entirely the fault of the Obama administration.

Syria trains, arms, and trains hamas, hezbollah and islamic jihad and obama has given them sensitive communications, airplane parts, and offering entry to IMF. Assad and Iran president dissed U.S and called it colonial power and u.s offers no demands to syria and iran.

Clinton demanding money exchanges with PA when hamas just steals the money. Israel let in cement last year through UN program and Hamas stole it.

How would releasing prisoners help the start the shalit negotiations.

Even arafat agreed to it Obama is putting up more obstacles and will make palestinians demand what they weren't even demanding.