Islamization in Europe

The reason that their are so many Muslim immigrants is because the colonialist west has, since WWI plundered and raped the treasures of the Muslim world, robbed its resources and propped up corrupt monarchies or military dictatorships in these countries, ruining a thousand years of prosperity. It actually started during the North Atlantic slave trade when Western slave ships decimated the culture and population of Muslim West Africa. It continues to this day. Why do you think that the US and UK are so hated. Look at history, Americans. Wake up and stop believing the red, white and blue propaganda.

India was ruled by Muslims for around 1000 years. During this time, if they really forced conversions as you say, India would have become totally Muslim. This is not the case. Hinduism is still alive and well today as it was then. Let's look at history people. As far as China--I think you misunderstood. What I meant was that NO MUSLIM ARMY has ever invaded China and converted anyone, yet their are millions of Chinese Muslims today-nearly 20 million according to some estimates. All these FACTS lays to rest the old Crusader fable that Muslims force conversions--Islam was spreadly MAINLY by the grace of God, not force.

And you know this how? And by the way, you are saying that all chinese muslims are ex-jews; however, I know this to be very false. Some are yes, but not all.

Fully awake. I'll make this short and choppy. Version of history: the watered down version that is taught in the schools in the good ol' US of A. You want facts? Here...facts. Muslims DO force conversions. You want examples, just ask I got plenty. What Muslim India? There is no 'Muslim' India. '...Conquered China...', no one or religion has ever conquered China. How can you say that Muslims have conquered China when they are so few!

What version of history have you been reading? The old crusader-invented fallacy of Islam being spread by the sword just doesn't hold water in view of the facts. Muslims conquered lands, true, but they did not force any conversions, unlike Spanish Catholics. If that were the case Hinduism would never have survived in Muslim India. What sword was brought to USA, where Islam is the fastest growing religion? What Muslim conquerors brought Islam to Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation in the world? What Muslim conquered china where there are 20 million Muslims, the largest Muslim minority nation on Earth? This is a fallacy people. Wake up.

Islam is one of the worlds most beloved religions. Have you ever read the works of Rumi, the great Islamic mystic poet? His works were about the lover of the worshiper with his Beloved. Don't confuse "the Fear of Allah", a phrase that is often repeated, with fearfulness of the religion. The lover of God fears displeasing God as a child fears displeasing his parent.

So "the authorities" crushing extremists "with an iron fist" is not violence? I'd say it would be more honest to say you have zero tolerance for those with whom you disagree and no problem with violence per se.

Sometimes silence is the most powerful message, would you agree? Now, are all Muslims out for blood? Probably not. Do they harbor ill will and bad feelings toward Westerners, Christians, Jews, and hope for conversion? Probably. So....if the extremists bloody THEIR hands, in making the overall point? Why not? Their silence as a general community, (and they are a large community) speaks VOLUMES to those not of the Muslim faith. Asked point blank, "Do you wish all Christian and Jewish children dead or converted?" "Why of course not!" (Add outrage and cries of racism...) Internally..."But, if it helps you see the way....well...so be it...". There is a shadow here to be wary of . Silence is deadly my friend.

YeeHaw - Gittem' boy! The evil ones know Homey don't play that cr*p and would send 'um packin' real quick. God Bless the 2nd Amendment here in the Land of Freedom. Got mine ready just in case -

When you are part of a group (and we are all part of sundry groups), you represent that group in its entirety. When you go to a restaurant and display pig-like manners, the other restaurant dwellers see that and naturally judge you- whether they do it consciously or unconsciously. When you show no sign of ever being tought manners or respect, people automatically infer that your parents did not do their job. You reflect your family in a negative way; you portray your family so that people say, "Gee-Golly-Willickers, that must be how his whole family acts." Such is the situation with Muslims. We do not say all Muslims are bad, just as we do not say all blacks are bad, or all whites are bad. That would be ignorant and we know better. But what I have seen of Islam, it is NOT a religion of peace until I am convinced otherwise.

I wonder,(to use an analogy here), when Nazi youths in Germany start some kind of trouble (specifics not necessary for this purpose), who are you most likely to hear about? The Nazi youths, or the Germans claiming this is not how all of Germany is? Gee, what makes for better television? Because the majority of Muslims portrayed in America are the extremeists, does that mean every last one of them are? Do all of them condone the terrorist attacks and want to kill in order to get the Qu'ran out to the masses? If this were indeed the case, every Muslim community would be torching Europe. Because if they all have this extremeist tendency, no one would remain passive. Just because there are passive Muslims out there is proof enough they don't condone the violence, or else they would be out there commiting it as well in some way, shape or form. Whats to stop them, if they supposibly have this tendency? Morals? They don't need our ideas of them, if they truely believe Allah is on their side. Because they all are not out bombing buildings, most of them are not evil condoning terrorists. Sure history may give names of people who share this characteristic, but not all of them are!!!! Consider the ubsurdity of that arguement, that all condone the violence. However, I cannot say all of them are not evil, because some certainly are.

Yes the silent, or passive, muslims endorse the heinous acts of the extremeists. And to say, "No they don't," you would be refering to most of the silent, or passive muslims in the West. I know this because if you were to travel to countries where the majority is Muslim, then you would find that they do infact endorse. Muslims in the West say that they don't endorse because they are simply trying to get you to think that they (extremists) aren't real muslims. In trying to convince you of this, they are trying to get you to join their side and become a muslim yourself. Read #436.

Sir Patrick, what makes you so audacious as to assume the benignity of these invisible Muslims? I inherently assume that the millions of dormant Muslims who remain unseen are silently supporting this rampant misinterpretation of Islam that currently (and has been for decades) ravages Western civilization.

Sir Patrick, what makes you so audacious to assume that invisible Muslims protest the rampant misinterpretation of Islam? Why do you give them so much credit? I inherently assume that the millions of passive Muslims unseen are silently supporting the forray on Western culture.

neither can I and if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath

JJ your so right Islam is not the most loved religion it's the most feared even by it's own people and that's a fact

Zion your dead wrong it has everything to do with religion have you ever read the Quran? or the Bible for that matter? if not you should start reading both and you will se it has everything to do with religion

So you think that Europe is getting what it deserves? Let me tell you something that might come as a surprise to you we are a great number who surport Israels right to exist and defend herself and as to what we deserves your not fit to tell us what we deserv, look at yourself and the mess your in because the corruption of your PM and his son not to forget the deportations of Jews from Aza clean your own house before you try to clean some one elses ok. We in Europe still send monye to Israel do you send monye to us?

Because no one messes with Texas, right?

I am tired of hearing that Islam 1.) was/is not being spread by the 'sword' (I can provide numerous examples that say otherwise) and 2.) is a religion of peace, love, and forgiveness. Islam's spread is a plan with three parts: 1.) Presence; 2.) Jihad; and 3.) Da'wah. Presence. Muslims build mosques in high trafficked places (major cities, major waterways, major highways, etc.). These mosques are funded, in most part, by middle eastern countries. Jihad. I am talking about inner struggle, not all out war. Da'wah. Muslims going out and...informing others about Islam and it's teachings. If you really want to know the truth, then here it is: the only thing that is accomplished through muslims extremeists is that when they do what they do, it's used to spark the interests of those who are ignorant. However, muslims extremists are still muslims! They follow the same teachings. They read the same book. The only difference is that they kill people to get their point across, but they're still muslims.

The Muslim protestors probably would be to afraid to leave their homes in France to come out and chastice the riots, out of the concern they may have of becoming another casulty of the violence. In other countries, I am sure that Muslims are proclaiming this situation is giving them a bad name, but would the media be so keen to show this in America? Violence from a discontented religious people makes for higher ratings than those protesting the fights, and in all reality, that is the main goal of our beloved media. Take a look at the Katrina coverage, where Geraldo Riveria was partically begging for a riot to erupt at the Super Dome when everything around him seemed rather peaceful. If you look hard enough, you will find that the majority of Muslims are against this sort of violence in France.

If we had the same weak mentality we possess today, we would be crouching on a rug, sudying the Koran (not Qu'ran). We must pull together as a culture. One of the reasons the crusades were not a success for the Western cause was because we were divided: Eastern and Western Orthodoxy were split, and Saladin utilized this rupture. Let's not forget the Battle of Tours in 732, when Charles Martel halted Muslim expansion into Europe. Of course, they had already seized Granada because we did not realize the severity of Islamic expansion. Today, the assault is even more dangerous because the threat is not as blatant.

I know not all Muslims threaten freedom and Western culture. I know only the radicals give a bad name to the Islamic faith. But where are the Muslim protestors who disagree with the sort of violence that is raping and destroying our the fabric of our (America's and Europe's) culture? I sure haven't seen any.

The amount of death and destruction perpetrated in the name of religion is our worlds real disgrace. Would any true God really allow such a thing to happen? All religion is nothing but institutionalized hypocrisy. I imagine if we are ever contacted by beings from another world they will think we are a very pathetic species.

For the media nad their evangelical allies to somehow attempt to associate this spat of violence in France with religion is ludicrous. What religious body is sanctioning the riots? None. The issue here is not religion, but race and discrimination. Were the urban riots of the '60's and '90's in Los Angeles blamed on Christian unrest? Of course not. That also would be ludicrous. What we are seeing are the results of economic oppression--an explosion of the downtrodden that would doubltless take place were the victims Tunisians or Manchurians, Muslim or Hindu. Even though Islamophobia is trendy at the present time, we musn't give into it and abandon our ability to see truth for what it is.

The poor are more succeptable to the lies of the leaders of radical islam. Osama Bin Ladin and company prey on the poor and disenfranchised of the world in order to consolidate their power. Their concern is not for the well-being of muslims but rather the consolidation of their highly politicized version of Islam. They give people with nothing to lose a sense of belonging and righteousness. History has shown that such a tactic is deadly effective and needs to be destroyed.

How interesting that after Hurricane Katrina, France loudly claimed (incorrectly) that the U.S. was racist, and poverty stricken. How intersting...so now they are burning. Three hundred cities. Those racist French!

Bring that rioting and terrorism crap to Texas and will you muslims back to Islam with out your testicles! Don't Mess With Texas!

Why is everyone allowing this to happen. That is my real question. I am not a Democrat or Republican, I am a person with common sence. This war on terrorism needs to be fought relentlesly. France is tucking their tail between their legs. Stand up to these people. They want something to stand for, they see whats going on in Iraq, Jordan, and everywhere else that Arabs are doing something they think is "good". I feel that there will be another Sept 11th, because all the liberals here made everyone forget about what happened on that day! My question is why are these contries and politicians letting these Muslims get away with this. A riot would NEVER happen in the streets of a US state. There would be a few warnings and then they would start shooting, which I am for 100%. Grow some b@lls!!

You don't need to bother. We have also read history books written by scholars and won't fall for propaganda. And we have also read the Qu'ram and what your leaders and clerics preach, and know what the Islamofascists are doing all around the world.If that makes you angry, it is your business.

JJ, are you stupid or what? Read the posts #257+258 (converts coming in to Islam worldwide) and tell me who is forcing them to convert. The Islam was spread by the sword is a lie which is easily disproven by NON MUSLIM historians, Read the posts numbered #393+ 394 + 396 . (How Islam spread) which i posted above. There are sources there you can check up on, assuming you're interested in learing the truth. Nobody fears Islam, people convert worldwide, including in your country because they love the faith. Face reality! That is how Islam spread!

JJ REad posts numbered 257+258 + 393+ 394 + 396 then comment. Now tell me who is forcing the conversions in all these countries, (Western included)

Islam is the most feared religion in the world as it is politically enforced by followers of it's word. If an individual prefers another religion, it's off with their head. Women, children, anyone. Muhammed was a brutal conqueror and the barbarians of islam are carrying out his example. It is clear in islam the Jihad is part of the religion's plight to take over the world and force people to submit to the brutal sword of islam. Unfortunately it will force another Crusades type backlash against the barbarians from the middle ages. I know plenty of Americans who are sick and tired of these animals with no regard for human life. By the way, 72 virgins in heaven? Sick!

Not true. I was simply trying to clear up some misconceptions that I found while reading the posts.

you are totally wrong, we have a free speach in israel because of RIGHT, SPECIFICALLY MENAHEM BEGIN. BEN GURION AND OTHERS WILL NEVER GIVE US THIS, THEY WERE PRO SOVIET, STALINIST.

what muslims did contribute to the western culture in last 1000 years? names, real c ontributions, not leftwing radical worlds etc.

Rich, it doesn't work. My family has been telling imigrants that for generations, they never go back, they stay forever.

Most of the converts in prison are punks who are seeking protection. A large percentage of them quit Islam as soon as they are released.

Mohamed, was a superior poet.

Lol, you sound a little extreme your own self.

Not all muslims are radical? Of course not. They are just quiet supporters. We are not seeing a single condemnation of what is going on in France from Muslims, let alone a demonstration similar to those cause by rumors that an American soldier held Quaran by just one hand. Well... America woke up and now the Europe is doing the same. A long overdue return to common sense is starting.

Mohamed, was a superior poet.

You are absolutely right on one point Beda, France is not USA, but then again, France is not altogether France.

It makes you want to support the total separation of church and state including the removal of everything religious from the publicly owned sector. Religion has cost more lives and destruction of property in the history of man than any other reason I can think of.

Eurabia, has an almost authentic ring to it!

Muslims again... Source: WorldNetDaily Anti-Christian rampage by 2,000 India Muslims -- Organized vandals in buses, burn churches, convent, schools, homes of pastors, priests They came in buses to the small village of Sangla Hill in the Nankana district of Punjab in India. Some 2,000 organized Muslims first vandalized three churches, a nuns' convent, two Catholic schools, the houses of a Protestant pastor and a Catholic priest, a girls' hostel and some Christian homes, according to Asia News. Then they burned them to the ground, while about 450 Christian families fled yesterday. They have not returned. The Justice and Peace Commission accuses the police of "criminal negligence" because they did not intervene. Lawrence John Saldanha, archbishop of Lahore Archdiocese and chairman of the National Commission for Justice and Peace, said "the attack seems to have been planned and organized as the attackers were brought to the site in buses and instigated to commit violence and arson. It gave our people a lot of fear and anxiety but we hope the government will do something." The violence began 10 a.m. Saturday and was apparently motivated by the latest blasphemy case. On Friday, a Christian, Yousaf Masih, allegedly burned some copies of the Koran and disappeared. One of his brothers, Salim Masih was arrested the day before. The Commission of Justice and Peace in Lahore ruled that the blasphemy accusations were false and stemmed from the accusers having a financial dispute with the families they accused. Saqib Sohail Bhatti, a Christian in Sangla Hill, explained Masih is an illiterate who would not even be able to distinguish the Koran from any other book. Muslim clerical leaders yesterday called their flocks to gather outside the Jamia Madni Masjid central mosque where they urged them to attack the Christians. In fiery speeches, the leaders provoked the mob to set to fire each and every Christian place of worship. The angry mob started with Masih's house and then turned on the house of his brother. Then they headed for the Presbyterian Church, setting ablaze the building, books and the house of the local pastor, Tajamal Perveiz. Then they turned on the Catholic Church of the Holy Spirit and the adjacent convent as well as the home of the Father Semson Dilawar, the parish priest. The crowd of some 2,000 Muslims also caused severe damage to the Saint Anthony schools, destroying furniture, records, laboratories and the library. The Church of the Salvation Army was also damaged. A Christian member of Parliament, Akram Gill, accused police of sitting on their hands during the rampage. He telephoned for help but got none. Anwar Sohail, who also witnessed the incidents, told Asia News that "police were there when the mob came to attack the Catholic Church but they fled away and let the protesters enter the Church."

And 'Miss Muslim', be rest assured you are little more than property to any truly dedicated Muslim male. And that's the real point to all this distress with Islamic radicals everywhere. It is a known fact that with education comes independance and that scares the Islamic man to his core. You can't frighten Mr. Islam with bombs or killing (since much of his culture glorifies that sort of thing anyway), but threaten to de-throne him as being the one in charge of his females and you've got him fighting scared. Western civilzation is totally incompatible with the Islamic way of life and the encroachment of media and technology is threatening the male position in that society. Don't believe me? Well, it's happened before, there were many American immgrants who left Europe because of the restrictions on education (in particular, look at the Moravians from Germany). The real question here is not whether the transformation of Islamic society will happen, it's when and how much will be destroyed in the process. Remember, when you feel like you've got nothing to lose, you're basically unrestrained in your actions. The best terrorists live in fear - fear of us and our ways.

I haven't read all of these posts but of those that I have read, you must understand that with Islam there is absolutely no difference between religion and politics. None. Another thing to realize is that it is the goal of every world religion to achieve world dominance. It's not just Islam. To think the opposite is shear ignorance. Something else about Islam, mosques are not just for religious purposes. They are also used as schools and political platforms. The mosque is the cornerstone of the Islamic faith and culture.

Don't bother to preach. It is a shame that fatwas are issued against Muslims who critizise Islam. I don't like it when there is no freedom of thought, speach, etc.

"The only reason prisons are converting to Muslim is because they are ANGRY they are there and they want to complain about something." 2 questions, w 1. Out of all the links why did you zero in on the prison ones only? 2. what about all the other conversions worldwide? what is their reason and Kim Your ignorance about Islam , judging by what the Van Gogh killer did, doesn't even merit a reply. ?

You don't reply to my questions: -Why don't you complain they were prevented from invading the entire Europe, -Would you like to see the current Spain and Portugal were like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Niger, Iran, etc. -When it comes to the current jihad, are you on the side of the Islamofascists who try to spread the Uhma?

Hi all, That's the current climate here, thanks to lousy politicians. Source: http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/world/13149151.htm In Netherlands, speaking out on Islam is risky PUBLIC FIGURES THREATENED, HIRE BODYGUARDS By Craig Whitlock THE WASHINGTON POST LEIDEN, Netherlands - As Prof. Afshin Ellian arrived at Leiden University law school one day recently, two bodyguards hustled him through the entrance and past the electronically locked doors leading to his office. For the rest of the day, the men stood sentry outside those doors, scanning the hallways for any sign of the people who want him dead. Ellian is one of a soaring number of Dutch academics, lawmakers and other public figures who have been forced to accept 24-hour protection or go into hiding after receiving death threats from Islamic extremists. In a country with a tradition of robust public debate and an anything-goes culture, the fear of assassination has rattled society and forced people such as Ellian to reassess whether it's worth it to express opinions that could endanger their lives. "The extremists are afraid that if Dutch society becomes a safe haven for an intellectual discussion of political Islam, it will be very dangerous for them," said Ellian, an Iranian-born professor of social cohesion. "This is normal behavior in the Middle East, but not in Europe. They think it's their obligation to kill people they consider to be enemies of Islam." In other European countries and in the United States, Islamic extremists have generally sought to spread terror with indiscriminate attacks -- bombing trains and hijacking airliners. In the Netherlands, however, radicals have embraced a different strategy: singling out individuals for assassination. The fear in the Netherlands erupted one year ago when Theo van Gogh, a filmmaker and renowned social provocateur, was fatally shot and slashed around the throat while walking on a busy street in Amsterdam. His assailant, a Dutch man of Moroccan descent, pinned a five-page note to the body with a knife explaining that van Gogh -- as well as a number of Dutch politicians and other "unbelievers" -- deserved to die for insulting Islam. Since then, the Dutch security services have reported uncovering several bombing and assassination attempts organized by Islamic extremists, fueling the public sense of alarm. In late October, police arrested seven young Muslims on suspicion of planning to murder unidentified lawmakers and blow up the headquarters of the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service. On Nov. 2, the nation marked the one-year anniversary of van Gogh's slaying. On that day, an unknown gunman opened fire on the office of Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk, who has threatened to expel radical Muslim clerics. Windows were shattered, but no one was injured. Now, many prominent people don't go out in public alone. In Amsterdam, Mayor Job Cohen, who is Jewish, and a Dutch Moroccan alderman, Ahmed Aboutaleb, have bodyguards after receiving death threats from Islamic extremists. In The Hague, the national seat of government, security has been stepped up

You don't need to bother. I won't convert to a religion which obliges its believers to murder others. Van Gogh's murderer said before the tribunal that he had done it because it is their duty as a good Muslim. And that's what clerics and leaders are preaching. After all, this is the Qu'ram, which orders to behead Jews, Christians and all the other non-believers.

The only reason prisons are converting to Muslim is because they are ANGRY they are there and they want to complain about something.

Amen to you Bloomfield, you are right on the mark.

"Miss Muslima spoke about the many conversions taking place to Islam. She failed to mention that the prisons have long been the most lucrative hunting frfounds for those who spread the faith. " Another dimwit like Fez, If you read my posts numbered 257 &258 and check the links, you will see i gave you worldwide conversion figures, including from the USA, the prison converts were included in there. Next time read before responding. Check out all the links, As for the rest of your post it is sheer ignorance. Islam is truth and light, and that is why people convert. Check out the Israeli links too, and the jews converting......and then come back and comment

#366(Peter) +#335 (Ezreal) Muslims are not leaving the faith, Islam is truth&Light As for the person who said Muslims in Muslim countries are leaving the faith,,,,,That is a big lie.....they may be non practicing, and secular, but their allegiance is to Islam. Islam is the religion that attracts the most converts because it is truth and light. To the person who asked why Muslims are emigrating.......that is a stupid question.......God created the whole world for humanity. You live where you want......and Islam is for the whole world........the Final Prophet was sent as a mercy to mankind......for the whole world.

"We can all sense your excitement about your crusades against the rest of the world. Thankfully, the "infidels" will not submit to Islam. If you pull out your sword, we will pull out ours. It`ll be a real fight before you can achieve anything. " You show your ignorance of history here, Levy. There is no excitement of our "crusade" because there is no crusade, and it is old news. Islam has been growing for the last 1400 years and will continue to do so. Even as we speak. Islam spreads and has been doing for over 1400 years because it attracts. REad my 3 part posts before this post of how Islam spread. Crusades belong to Christianity's shameful history. Islam's history is spectacular. The kindest conquest's in history, because we have a mandate from God. As for the rest of your post...... are you stupid or blind? Who is forcing the conversions in Europe, in America, Russia, Australia, Africa, Asia, ? Did you even check out the links in posts 257 & 258? As for the person who said Muslims in Muslim countries are leaving the faith,,,,,That is a big lie.....they may be non practicing, and secular, but their allegiance is to Islam. Islam is the religion that attracts the most converts because it is truth and light. To the person who asked why Muslims are emigrating.......that is a stupid question.......God created the whole world for humanity. You live where you want......and Islam is for the whole world........the Final Prophet was sent as a mercy to mankind......for the whole world.

It does no good to attack Mr. Schiff for his views on Europe. It would be better for you to come to term with the huge immigration problem you have. Schiff's response wasn't racist. Not dealing with Europe's race problem is racist. Having said that, I disagree with Mr. Schiff conclusion that Europe needs to accept Turkey into the EU "in order to preserve democracy in Turkey." Turkey is responsible for preserving demoncracy in Turkey, just as France is responsible for its own democracy. In the long run we all have to grow up and take care of ourselves. I would suggest that Turkey be required to show that it is a secular democacy before it is allowed to enter Europe.

Ambassador Herman Ellis, in a testimony in front of the committee on Foreign Affirs of the House of Represntatives of the United States Congress on June 24th, 1985, said, "The Muslim community of the globe today is in the neighbourhood of one billion. That is an impressive figure. But what to me is equally impressive is that Islam today is the fastest growing monotheistic religion. This is something we have to take into account. Something is right about Islam. It is attracting a good many people." Islam is so strong and so self-assured that it does not need to use force to attract others to it. The moral and intellectual superiority of Islam over all other religions has manifested itself so clearly throughout the history of Islam. Despite all of the ills of Muslims everywhere, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion on earth. Professor Huston Smith of the MIT in his book, "The Religions of Man" says, "In some areas where Islam and Christianity are competing for converts, Islam is gaining at a rate of 10 to 1." Yes, something is right about Islam and that's why it has attracted so many people throughout its 1400 years of history. References [1] De Lacy O'Leary, Islam at the Crossroads (London, 1923), p. 8 [2] A. S. Tritton, Islam (1951) [3] Thomas Carlyle, Heroes and Hero Worship [4] Thomas W. Arnold, The Call to Islam [5] Huston Smith, The Religions of Man (1983) [6] Dr William Baker, More in Common Than You Think: The Bridge between Islam and Christianity, (1998) Defenders Publications [7] John McManners (Ed.), The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity, Oxford University Press, 1992, p. 174 [8] Ira Zepp Jr., A Muslim Primer (1992), Wakefield Editions, US, p. 134 [9] Norman A. Daniel, Islam and the West: The Making of an Image, p. 270 [10] Washington W. Irving, Tales Of The Alhambra, p. 52 Ambassador Herman Ellis, in a testimony in front of the committee on Foreign Affirs of the House of Represntatives of the United States Congress on June 24th, 1985, said, "The Muslim community of the globe today is in the neighbourhood of one billion. That is an impressive figure. But what to me is equally impressive is that Islam today is the fastest growing monotheistic religion. This is something we have to take into account. Something is right about Islam. It is attracting a good many people." Islam is so strong and so self-assured that it does not need to use force to attract others to it. The moral and intellectual superiority of Islam over all other religions has manifested itself so clearly throughout the history of Islam. Despite all of the ills of Muslims everywhere, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion on earth. Professor Huston Smith of the MIT in his book, "The Religions of Man" says, "In some areas where Islam and Christianity are competing for converts, Islam is gaining at a rate of 10 to 1." Yes, something is right about Islam and that's why it has attracted so many people throughout its 1400 years of history. References [1] De Lacy O'Leary, Islam at the Crossroads (London, 1923), p. 8 [2] A. S. Tritton, Islam (1951) [3] Thomas Carlyle, Heroes and Hero Worship [4] Thomas W. Arnold, The Call to Islam [5] Huston Smith, The Religions of Man (1983) [6] Dr William Baker, More in Common Than You Think: The Bridge between Islam and Christianity, (1998) Defenders Publications [7] John McManners (Ed.), The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity, Oxford University Press, 1992, p. 174 [8] Ira Zepp Jr., A Muslim Primer (1992), Wakefield Editions, US, p. 134 [9] Norman A. Daniel, Islam and the West: The Making of an Image, p. 270 [10] Washington W. Irving, Tales Of The Alhambra, p. 52

Tulip, also in India they have the problem where women can be killed by the husband's family if the dowry is not sufficient. Remember the "burning brides?" Africa is not great either when it comes to women being treated brutally by men and society. I had a male student from Nigeria who thought that the men should make all the decisions--and this is an educated, upper class person! There is a long, long way to go to make life better for women everywhere.

The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the Peoples of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion) Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, ?People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, ?it fell the day MUHAMMAD was born?. Another non-Muslim author, Ira Zepp Jr., says the following It is unfortunate that Islam has been stereotyped as the 'religion of the sword' or that Islam was 'spread by the sword.' The historical reality is that the expansion of Islam was usually by persuasion and not by military power. In any case, Islam cannot be forced on anyone; if profession of the shahadah [i.e. the declaration of Islam] is forced on someone, it is not true Islam.[8] Indonesia and Malaysia Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, ?Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?? East Coast of Africa Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, ?Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa.? Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years The Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim who could openly give the Azan, that is the call for prayers. Islam is the fastest growing religion (conversions not births ) in America and Europe Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe is Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers? Jostaf Lopond, in his book, The Arabs Civilization, states, ' Force was never a factor in the spread of the Glorious Quran. In fact, Arabs left the freedom of choice to the people they overcome and conquered. Some of the Christians, who converted to Islam and took the Arabic language as a medium of communication, were merely impressed with the Arabs conquerors' justice. Such people never noticed any such astounding justice from their previous masters. Secondly, such converts noticed a great ease in dealing with the Islamic life, faith and principles.' (Ibid, page 314).

Islam?s rapid expansion, unequaled by any other religion, was due to its religious content and values, as many unbiased Western intellectuals state: (see below) It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This is a unique occurrence in history - the conquerors adopting the religion of the conquered! More than 80% non-Muslims in India. The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword. Historian De Lacy O?Leary?s opinion De Lacy O?Leary in the book ?Islam at the crossroad? gives the best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword: ?History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.? Thomas Carlyle The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book ?Heroes and Hero worship?, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: ?The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one, in one man?s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it; there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and tries to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.? A. J. Arberry has also pointed out that the reason for the spread of Islam is Islam itself and its religious values. (Aspects of Islamic Civilization,) He states: The rapidity of the spread of Islam, noticeably through extensive provinces which had been long Christian, is a crucial fact of history.. The sublime rhetoric of the Quran, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy". (M. Pickhtal, The Meaning of the Glorious Quran, p.vii) Arberry continues: This, and the urgency of the simple message carried, holds the key to the mystery of one of the greatest catalysms in the history of religion. When all military, political and economic factors have been exhausted, the religious impulse must still be recognized as the most vital and enduring. Brockelman, who is usually very unsympathetic and partial, also recognizes the religious values of Islam as the main factor for the spread of Islam. (History of the Islamic Peoples, p.37) Rosenthal makes his point as follows: The more important factor for the spread of Islam is religious law of Islam (Sharia which is an inclusive, all-embracing, all-comprehensive way of thinking and living) which was designed to cover all manifestations of life. (Political Thought in Medieval Islam, p.21)

Hello, Tulip: Maybe I am confused because of the word "crusade," since the Muslims use that word today when they mean Christians, e.g., the Al-Queada message about the bombings in Amman referred to destroying "Jews and crusaders," so it is probably not correct to say that Muslims have "crusades" because of the implication with Christianity. Maybe they should be called "crescentades!"

Au contraire, there is no partisanship on my side for any religion to take over, nor have I any wish for the Iberian Christians to have been all converted to Islam or killed by the Moors. I am simply sorry that the Jews and the Moors and the Christians could not have all lived together, the way that it is now in the United States. Also, I do not understand why so many Jews had to be tortured and burned to death by the Inquisition. Since you have said that you love the Jews, I should think that you would regret what your countrymen had done to them in the past. It was finally Franco who apologized and invited the Jews back to Spain, God bless him for that.

The alliances of russia/china to US/EU. Which nation/religion would dares to oppose? Islam? Iran/Syria = Russia, Vietnam/N.Korea = China, UN is full of craps. Get another body, be it CURE or whatever...

The contribution of the Arabs to world culture cannot be denied. That does excuse or erase other aspects of Arab rule ,I am simply trying to be accurate and give credit where it is due.The Arab world overall untill the 17th or 16th century was a much more dynamic and open place than europe.Especially its early period. Are you familar with the 'The Bookof Beliefs and Opinions"by Saadia Gaon?It was written in 10th century Bagdad,he discusses Hinduism Zoroastrianism christianty early secular philosphies , ranges into science astronomy etc. This type of thing in 10th century europe was unkown.Without a doubt a modern person would have felt more at home in the arab world than the european world of the time.The conditions in european cities where appalling. Th europeans were essentially christianised barbarians for many centuries.I dont know whay so many have a problem with noting the clear and well researched facts on the matter, it does not excuse anything past or present. Whats the problem?As for Ruth well the source is numerous scholarly works, get any good book on the Hebrew Bible and look up Ruth.Every scholar I have read says the same thing.It is set in the time of the Judges it might even contain some ancient core about David but in its present compostion it was written sometime in the Persian period say around 400-350 bc or so.Like the Book of Jonah it has a very positive view of Gentiles and contradicts Ezra and Nehamiah on that point very clearly.Regards Danite

Your precious Islam raped my Iran and "converted" it into Islam. Islam is the root of evil and terrirism in the world, and I as a muslim (not by choice) admit that the birth of Islam started the genesis of chaos and problems in the world. FREE IRAN FROM THE MAD MULLAH/AKHOONDS FANATICS

--to all other religions. Have you seen the UN report on drug addiction in Iran? Maybe Islam is not the answer to everything as you claim.

Yes Krish, some Europeans WERE slaves owners. And now, the only slaves owners ARE Muslims.

Danite, You have a rosy eyed view of the Arab world compared to the Europeans. The comparisons may be accurate at the ruling classes. The poor masses were no better under Islam before the 17th century either. The difference is that no literature was produced that conveyed the miserable lives of the ordinary citizens and there is very little scholarship in the field. What is known is mostly from political upheavals. The Arab conquerers used a derogatory term of Ajam for the non-Arabs and essentialy created a ruling class of Arabs over the non-Arab population of the conquered lands. On a different topic you mentioned last week that megilat Ruth is of the same approximate age as the book of Ezra. Do you have a source for this? Everything I've seen relates it to the book of Judges.

Krish, what is this proof obsession you are having. Nobody owes you any proofs. If you don't know something, go and investigate. What proof do you have for holding your half baked views?

They are not French since they don't have French culture. They are racist, who feel superior to the French and anyone else. Arabs are still on the slavery business. There are slaves in Niger, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, etc.

---- have so much wealth.Are not all Muslims brothers? Is it because personal freedom and Islam are not compatible? Re American Moslems I hope and pray CAIR does not speak for them.

We must dig deep into history to find Arabs contributions. The Arab world has been declining for the last few centuries. This is very apparent from today's events that are related to Islam. Today, the western world is a free and wonderful world. We can't let anyone change that. We must look into the future and decide whether we want chaos or enjoyable lives.

Maybe it's time you tell some more about yourself.

So what? Arafat was real happy he finally he found an excuse.

I was just pointing out that Gaza Boy, who lives in London, is a hypocrite. It's perfectly O.K. for Arabs and Africans to move illegally to Europe and demand that the natives, in this case the Europeans,make a special effort to accomodate them; but its not O.K. for the Jews to move to Israel and demand that the native people of that region, the Palestinians, accomodate them. I'm just getting sick of this double standard of justice. It's not justice for all, but justice for ME. Excuse my cynicism, but sometimes listening to the hypocrisy of Gaza Boy and the countless millions like him gets tiring. -Bloomfield-

France and the EU have consistently told Israel when it defends itself that "it is breaking international law." They are so obsessed by "international law" and acting like "gentlemen" when fighting the Islamofascist fanatics, that within 50 years they will gobble them up in the same way Adolf Hitler gobbled them up.

I am happy that you are enjoying your life in London. So, I'm sure you'll understand that the Jews enjoy their life in Jerusalem. -Bloomfield-

What you say is very true but is an indication of the openess of the Arabic world in its early phase. Good thing they preserved that knowledge much of it would have been lost had the europeans gotten it. The church burned as withches women who were doing what was called medicine int he Arab world. Also the Arabs where noted intellectuals in their own right Rustam.Europe was a backward pigstye compared to the Arabs for many centuries. let us not allow present situations to obscure or downplay the truth of the past, and let not the past become an excuse for doing nothing now. As a Jew I would have ran as fast as I could to get out of europe. Although the dhimmi status of Jews was repulsive and oppressive, the general state of the Arab world was way better than that of the european world untill the 17th century at least.Yes europe took the lead in many ways but the brutality of the industrial revolution would have made it in ones intrest to be sure to be rich otherwise you were living on the dungheap, or rather the person was the dungheap born to stoke the fires with his body and soul.The east might have fallen behind in many ways thats true and they pay for it all the time, but their is also a beauty and magic and a type of relations between people that has been lost in an often souless west. Regards Rustam Danite

Marginalised people? thats a socialist term!!! I thought you would say either losers to stupid or too weak to make it , or conversly millionaires in waiting. That socialist terminology is insidious isnt it Fagin?

If you take pity on a frozen snake and bring it home. Do not be stunned when it bites you after it unthaws. A snake is a snake.

1. It is apparent that there are not to many immigrant visas issed, if any, by Muslim countries to non-muslims refugees seeking shelter from domestic oppressions. 2. If Islam is so great place to live, why so many millions of muslims are emigrating to Christian countries for ages? 3. If Islam is so great, why so many unemployed youth are emigrating to Christian countries seeking employment and better future? 4. If Islam educational system is such a great entity, why so many Muslims are going to Christian European and American Universities? 5. Thus far, Islam is the only entity who is using/abusing and brain washing handicap individuals, who are manipulated to commit suicide and kill innocent people. 6. If allah is so great, as Muslims are claiming, why Osama and Zarqawi are not leading as an example a suicide mission, and meat allah head on? 7.Why not no to #6 above? Because Osama and Zarquawi, whatever his name is, are smart (not intelligent) and know that there is no allah awaiting them after big boooom! . Suicide explosion is a dead end, isn?t it Osama? Otherwise, you will plug a stick of TNT in your ass, and blow your self off as a first to say hello to allah. 8. In objective view, what was or is the difference between Muhammad the founder of Islam and Stalin, the paranoid psychopath of Communism? None. Both were criminals in their own lands in their own times. Stalin did his time in the box, Muhammad was expelled/banned from the land by the governing body (court systems)of the land. 9. Islam is the only entity, (not a religion) which kills (cut heads off, etc) of non Islam population, and is oppressing and killing others/non Islam in Islam countries. 10. After your head will be choped off for the love of allah by a peace and humanity loving muslim with his long jones wrapped on his brain washed head, say hello to allah for me, will you?

HUH?!? What has Islam, a religion, got to do with the state of affairs in certain developing countries??? Are you saying that Islam made people poor, or created corrupt politicians? How about Africa? Or the fact that 1 in every 3 child is in poverty in Israel? Islamic empires were some of the greatest in the world a few hundred years ago. There are plenty of Muslims in America who contribute to society...yes, *gasp* they follow the religion of ISLAM.

Kim, again your blatant racism is exposed. Where should they "return home" to? Do you read any of the articles I post??? These are French CITIZENS. France IS home. Again, I wonder - do you tell these "Arab friends" of yours (that you claim to have) to go "back to their countries"? Maybe if your people hadn't gone to Africa on this colonization run, then you might have some sort of right to say what you do. And your post before about Muslims making people into slaves doesn't add anything to the discussion. Some of the worst slave-owners were European and American.

Danite, Much of what you indicated as Islamic contributions to civilisation are realy an outcome of empire building and a contribution of Islam. Arabs managed to conquer the earlier Sasanian, Bysantine, Egyptian etc. lands and spread Islam. The cultural herritage and contributions of these civilisations is what is now recorded as Islamic contributions. There is a steady decline over time as the Islamic thought solidified and froze. There is a real deficit of new original thought generated in Islamic lands although there is no deficit of human genious. This realy point to a worldview that squashes creativity.

Amazing story you wrote about that Dutch teacher but it sure doesn't surprise me. Would not want to be a teacher in Holland these days. Anytime you say or write anything negatively about muslems here in Holland, even if it is true and mostly it is true, you are being demonized by the authorites and the mass media that is under their control.They are sooo scared for the muslems. Just like they did with the late politician Pim Fortuyn, who was also assasinated here. Writing or saying out loud negatively towards immigrants of, for instance arab descent, is very bad for your career, especially if you work for the (local) government. Just a couple of years, most likely even sooner, and chaos in this once peaceful little country, will erupt. We have all been betrayed by our Goverment.

To test the resolve of a nation to withstand insurrections such as this are as old as recorded history itself. A people/culture who speak of what they won't do to dampen the spirits of it's enemy (internal or not) is destined to face that which they won't do. Ask under what circumstances a people will put Japanese Americans into internment camps, how and when would we use nuclear weapons, what would have to occur for any nation to close it's borders and that nation will be forced to face those very conditions. The fact is that there is never an acceptable excuse for this kind of insurrection and never should a nation restrict itself by admitting it would NOT use whatever force necessary to stop the violence, no matter how distasteful. The key to any long term defeat of an enemy is not understanding them, facing them or even killing them. It is simply destroying their resolve. They must think that the acts which they embrace are met such such swift and abhorrent response that they just stay home. James Madison turned back the pirates of the Barbary Coast/Tripoli with war ships. Pol Pot and Rasputin did the same with spears, swords and bullets covered in pigs blood. Rock the foundation of their resolve or embrace the Quran. There is no other choice.

All seeking to escape the Islamic paradise? There are no queues outside Arab embassies of would be immigrants but you should see the queue outside the US embassy. Is it possible the Great Satan is more humane than the Islamic republics?

Europeans are so awe struck from what is happening it is almost like a deer looking into the headlights of an oncoming car. Rather than move out of the way the deer remains frozen in place. The Americans will not stand still if another 9/11 occurs on US soil. It will be a sad day for Islam. The modern Crusades will begin.

when the mohammad toke over of arabic peninsula,he gave two choice to the jwes,to die or to convert to the islam,as we know he killed many jwes and also converted them to islam,then he brought another law, for the jews ,khams and zokat and jahzyeh,the jews must pay for them life,his law been follow by the next khalifeh,but despite the jews was paid for them life still they been attacked by the order of that time ruler or by the moslem gangs,any time jews been geting wealthy,the attack been repeated,jews have law,if you want to survive in any sterang countries,we have to pay,it is the reason we survived in moslem nations,but until the erly 20 century,when the saud al faysal got power from the brithish empire and new moslem vatikan been stablished,the money they received for the oil gave them more power and encouraged them to invest in other moslem and non moslem nations to build mosque and give brain wash to new generation,yes it was rebgeginin of hate which they speared all over the world,now they have vatikan station and the orther comes from them scientist,by the way jews could not pay to christian to survived

SCHLOCKY hit the nail on the head and I agree. Our technology works wonders for those guys yet they claim anything western to be evil. Might they go to hell for that and shouldn't their hands be cut off and eyes punched out. Maybe if they would try sleeping on a regular western style bed instead of a dirt floor in a cave, they may not wake up with a backache and take their pains out on the rest of the civilized world. Thank you SCHLOCKY for your input.

The current intifada was started when Sharon marched on the Al Aqsa Mosque

Haaretz, could you please post it, the example is official documentated. To give an example who weird things can get, here the following story: Ms. Brinkman was a Dutch teacher at the Al Taweed school in Amsterdam. She learned the muslim kids some old fashioned Dutch song, during "integration" lessons. The song goes like this and I write the problish tone in CAPITALS (mind this is a well know song in Holland, I sang it when I was little as well): Oh zeweezewoe, zeweeze wALLA, christALLA etcetra. One of her pupils sang this song at home. A 6 year old boy. His father noticed something like he sang about Allah. He got upset because he thought it was a blasphemous song. He went to the board school and complained. The teacher was reprimanded by the board. The song became considered to be Haram!!! 100 years of original Dutch culture down the drain. Now, how low can you get? No wonder with this lack of humor, you become a suicide bomber. Dutch people who would like to read more of Fenneke Brinkman's adventures at this islamic school can read her book: HARAM

Europe would be committing a grave mistake if instead of fighting against Islam, she tries to appease the Islamists. Islam must be confronted forcefully and rejected completely. It is nothing but insanity to recognize a doctrine that calls you impure, idolater and even pig and orders its follower to slay you as a legitimate religion. Recognizing Islam is accepting your own death warrant. Muhammad said kill the unbelievers. You are an unbeliever. If you recognize Islam, you are agreeing to be killed. Isn't that stupid?

Tim. I do agree that these extremist types like Meow, Miss Muslima, KHalid and all the other supporters of bombings riots, murder etc. are dangerous. You are in America and believe me unsafe. If the crazy whackos that flew into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as well as forced to crash into an empty field can live in you country anyone can. This is rampant all over the world. Much like a disease this word spreads not according to its true intention. Every religion has extremism, Catholic Crusaders, Rightist insane Jews that want to murder all Arabs. Yet the one key difference is that these "crazies" want to take over the world and force us to live their barberian extrapolations of true Islam. Unless of course someone can define the entire Koran and tell me that it does not encourage violence. After all how barberian can a religion be that advocates murdering people that commit menial crimes, or cutting off limbs for thievery. We are living in the 21st century!!!! I wonder why these people use electricity, computers, and any "Western" amenities designed and beneficial to the "infidels"??? Why don't they live in caves like the good old days and live off the land with sticks and clubs???

otherwise the moslem population will be the majority in future.any way the european they dont have more then one kid,some of them even nothing,so let bring new law,since they have a problem with a deportatin

For my last comment on this subject.....I am glad to see the world is not asleep on this matter of Muslims and their religion filled with hate. Now...I just hope and pray that all western nations will come together..(USA,FRANCE,ENGLAND , ITALY,GERMANY,SPAIN CANADA AND THE LIKE...CAN'T NAME THEM ALL Here) and put a halt to such lax immigration and take back OUR way of living and OUR Countries. It is not like we can't do it. We have to make our so called politicians wake up , do the job we voted them in to do or fire them and elect someone that will get it done. Strength is in numbers. We need to get moving. God Bless All Western Nations.

What an opportunity to flame Mr. Khalid, although I doubt that is his true email address. Even a devout murderous Islamist supporter like Khalid would not be so dumb as to post his real email address. Watch out America, the murderers are in your midst. Time to round up the "superior" ones and ship them off somewhere where they can be appreciated. Maybe the French are doing some nuke testing in the Aleutians, I hear the weather is beatiful this time of year.

oil sanction and deportation.the proposition for take oil in alaska did not pass by senate

they have same ideas for spain and france and volcan,like israel,they believe all those territoy are belong to islam,and it is the beginig of islamic intifata for the world,the european must believe israel and usa,forget the past dispute,we are know in same boat

"quartiers sensibles" means those "Sensitive neighborhoods" "in African and Muslim neighborhoods " Leave sub-saharan Africans out of your generalisations. The only Black people who are posing serious problems are Black Muslims. People from the Congo, Rwanda, Burundi etc behave well. They do not blackmail Europe; they do not put fire to public buildings to obtain gains for the whole of Africa. Like the moroons who "fight" for the Palestinians and the so-called humiliates Muslims.

"Le mod?le fran?ais" is a hypocrisy-based one. All French citizens are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Those Arabs shouldn't have gone there and if they have gone, they should return home. What are they doing there living in those conditions? Have you read the books by Oriana Fallaci? Moreover, the intifada which started in France will spread all over Europe. There was already a start in Berlin and Brussels. Well, we European are racist, as you say. So why do they come here? They should stay in their countries, where people are so nice.

the islamic suiside bomber started in iran,in 1981 iran and iraq war then all over of islamic nations

To the two Johannes from Sweden. We in Finland are so entirely fed up with you Swedes who live in your pride and like to be experts on all problems in the world! John

Thanks for your posts as well.

Schiff is right, it's an Intifada. The "French" rioters have the same agenda than the "Palestinian" terrorists, they want a territorial base that could be used as a first step for further "concessions".

Hi all, Same lax immigration policy also here in The Netherlands where islam is also rapidly spreading.Same goes for Belgium After the assasination of filmmaker van Gogh people here are scared who is next.A number of politicians are threatened alsmost daily now and some even had to go into hiding, just like Ann Frank had to back in ww2 Governments are very scared of islam and do not know how to tackle the problems.

I see a lot of racism in Italy, I travel often from Naples to Rome, Milan. Torino on business, and I see the suppression and poor non Italians sleeping on street benches, parks, begging, etc, and many-many are of Arab culture. You should see some slum places in Rome it is a filthy city, and a lot of crime originates from poor Arabs decent. I never heard of any Italian ever inviting or hanging around with black people..never, have you? In some cities a black man will get beat because he talked to a white. What the Italians complained about or criticized of racism in America or elsewhere here, now they re getting the same thing, But Italians are an inherent complaining race of people, they blame ever constipation and diarrhea problem on America wonder what their excuse will be now that the virus racists problem is spreading. Too bad, because I sure like their pasta and vino!! and beautiful women..

You mean to tell me that it is not ISRAEL DOING ALL THESE AWFUL THINGS? The world will take care of this?This world is morally bankrupt ,already a DHIMMI who is incapable of doing ANYTHING other than continue to blame the tiny Israeli-Pal conflict for its ongoing malignancy.

Hmmm, the religion of love and peace? I believe I just saw a photo of a beheaded Christian schoolgirl, doing nothing but walking on her way to school. Nice. Lets see, I believe delusional would be the word for your outlook. I think it doesn't matter to you, cause"Muslims rock", but, just in case you care about the rest of us, it'll be folks like you and Danite watching while the rest of us are executed or "politely" converted. How appropriate and horrifying that I address this the day after Veterans Day. Both my Grandfathers' fought that SOB Hitler and the Japanese in WWII. One was 18, the other 19. One remained a German POW for 2 years, the other drug bodies out of Pearl Harbor after the massacre. I wish I could hear what they would say in their wisdom about the "peaceful Muslims" terrorizing the world. I don't think they would advocate pandering to them.

They are used to blaming others for everything and don't want to see that the problem is inside themselves and, by doing so, they won't give the problem a solution.

Miss Muslim...it is fine that you want to support your religion, but how about taking it to where it may fit in with yesterdays society. If you look at all religions...Muslim seems to be the one that still has made no advances and is very dark...especially in todays times. Why is Muslims in the USA expect special laws when it comes to prosecuting them...such as no jail time for beating their wife because their religion allows it. Others in this country will go to jail for that. Law is Law and we have to go by seperation of church and state here but are asked to make exceptions for them. I say NO EXCEPTIONS. Either live by our laws or do not come here imposing your way of living on us. And by the way.....there is currently a story about wife beating on our news...so this is not made up.

because of the headscarves?:-)don`t think in the USA, they will have the greatest life.

.... The French use the term "quatiers sensibles" ,(sensitive neighborhoods), for those troubled predominantly Arab and African working class "suburbs" resemblling ticking time bombs at the heart of thier society. Some French intellectuals such as Michel Gurfinkel editor of Valeus Actuelles likens France to the Welmar (Germany) Republic just before the rise of Nazism while others speak of the Lebanonization of French society. In some cases they point to the fact the some "quartiers sensibles" act as "foreign countries" acting with thier own laws and value systems on French soil and not subject to French law and order. All speak of an underground economy flourishing in African and Muslim neighborhoods with drug trafficking, stolen goods going unimpeded and rival gang fighting over teritories and loot from the protection racket. Some "Gaulous". (white French), living in "quartiers sensibles" have testified in French courts, to a kind of inverse assimilation process, that they were "forced" to convert to Islam to escape harassment, beatings, or broken bones or from paying protection monies to Muslim thugs and gangs according to Micheal Gurfinkiel.

to think: I am the best, I am so cool-MY RELIGION IS THE BEST. Ask yourself: what were all the wars about? What are they about? Why can`t you see that damn!!!This to all!!! You believe in the Torah, (the Bible) and the (Koran), take from everything the wisdom, take the wisdom of everything and everyone. Try for once!(This is again said to everybody.)

I am sick of seeing Israel blamed for all the problems in the Middle East. It's funny how they seem to be the only advanced society over there and are constantly being blamed like the western societies are today. France, looks like this may just be the beginning for you...and the USA may want to take notice of what is happening now, for I am sure this will happen over here very soon. Seems like jealousy on the Muslim countries part about Israel being advanced and moving on in time. Which country is the stronger of the Middle East. I think the answer would be Israel and I hope the USA will continue to support Israel.

Poison has entered Europe by their own hands and the only thing their political establishment is asking them to do is to understand the poison and accept more. In 30 years there will not be the Europe.

To borrow from Tulip.Please read this as it may help explain why so few Muslims leave their faith . esp' in muslim countries. URL: http://www.arabicbible.com/testimonies/gabriel.htm You are being a tad childish if you think mere numbers mean anything at all.The most popular newspaper in the UK is the Sun. Is it the best? Sooner or later you will realise the exponential growth of any civilization or religion leads to one thing only and thats collapse.Not from without , more usually from within. Whether it be persians,babylonians, romans or Islam they all go the same way. They reach their zenith and rot from the centre. In Islams case the centre is the institutions of learning,Saudi, Egyptian, Pakistan,(all currently spreading a cancerous form of wahabism)and the moslem goverments themselves who are, it seems competing with each other to see who can be the most despotic and most backwards on the planet). Maybe when you grow up a little more you too will see this as the reality. Meanwhile enjoy your daydreams!

it is not the Palestinian Khalid

I fully agree. The only way to stop is declare Islam as a cult . Ban all cult members from entering euorpe and receving any welfare.

This is not only a Muslim problem, in Christianity there is too. I read of one in a Palestinian online magazine. This was such a sad, tragical story it made me weep. However that is no religious problem, but a cultural one. You should it find it spread over Africa.

Palestinians???OMG. He is a Jordanian-born bedouin! Palestinians were KILLED. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_jordan_bombings_1

and what to do with the converts?But who are you to say this?I don`t know the country you are from, but if this rule existed everybody should only live in his original country even though he might not know his original country or identify himself with. Wouldn`t it be a pity to lose multi-culture, interest in other cultures, lose other languages.

Miss Muslima spoke about the many conversions taking place to Islam. She failed to mention that the prisons have long been the most lucrative hunting frfounds for those who spread the faith. Isalm has become very attractive to those who are seeking a violent religion, a religion which today had been propogated as a faith based on war, violence and the conversion of the world. this is perfect for those who have found themselves incarcerated and are not attracted to the cushy victimized love approach of christianithy and a religion like Judaism which does not offer paradise after death or the billions of followers who toady make up the Gang called Islam.

Europe destroyed itself in WWII. The Holocaust destroyed a part of Europe's positive culture. Europe replaced 6 million Jews who only contributed positively with over 20 million Muslims who quickly damage Europe. It's up to Europe to save itself.

Yeah, the Jewish immigrants from Europe and Russia actually made many positive contributions in their host countries such as U.S.A, England and Canada. The Muslim immigrants have done nothing but depend on their host countries for financial support. Very few positive contributions.

We can all sense your excitement about your crusades against the rest of the world. Thankfully, the "infidels" will not submit to Islam. If you pull out your sword, we will pull out ours. It'll be a real fight before you can achieve anything.

What... gave.. in 1200 years .....DOV U Cnt even count!!!. It's 1400 years...

Think about it...all are Right Wing, all are ultra nationalistic, and all three try to discredit the opposition as unpatriotic...

"Too many immigrants from Europe and Russia", heh? And what's more outrageous, they don't wail how their living conditions are terrible and how the country they came in didn't greet them with a red carpet and flowers. They come and start WORKING. And studying. They work their way up. "The British LIKES me"? Rubbish. Nobody ever likes migrants - regardless of their country of origin. Those who left their countries, most likely, did it for one of the following reasons: -extreme poverty -religious persecution -their life is OK, but they want a better one for their children. Whatever the reason, they should be THANKFUL to the country they came in. They should not carry out some sinister plots against it. If things didn't go their way... well, there's always this chance. I know a lot of former doctors, musicians, teachers who in America work in pizza delivery or in junk stores. So what - let them go and burn a couple of buses, and they'll immediately get what they want? It seems that only Muslim immigrants can afford such actions. Because - as we see from their posts - the world is indebted to them...

I didnt say latin was lost I said that many suppresed or lost works where retranslated from Arabic(having been translated from greek and Latin into arabic) inot Greek and Latin often by Spanish Jews.There was a flurry of activity in Spain in that regard in the end of the 14th-15th century, Spain was where the cultures meet with the Jews as the bridge it was from Spain that many of these lost works were reintroduced into Europe. it was via spain that arabic numerals and the zero were literaly taught to a spanish priest, I forget his name.As for slavery the europeans were the most avid slavers in the world kim,the history is clear, it was the British who were the first to outlaw slavery intheir empire.If you kind find a medieval medical work from europe and the arab world say from the 15th century tell which doctor you would prefer the european or the arab?At that time the Arabs were way far advanced than the europeans the balance began to tip in the 17 th century. Regards KIm I enjoy your informaive posts. Danite

I simply believe its as relevant to the 21st century as the Golden Age of the Greek Empire: great history, but it won't put bread on anybody's table today. Yes, the Arabs were cheated of the Renaissance, but they have only Islam to "thank" for it. The Mongol & Turk invasions are just an excuse; Europe also suffered horribly from one catastrophe after another: barbarian invasions, plague, religious wars, & so on. It was Reformation that made the West great, and only reformation of Islam can solve the "Muslims problem". We can't do it for them; they have to do it themselves.

Islam Rox and the Quran Rules its people like this who give islam a bad name, and make them look like a bunch of cave men!! they think of them selves as #1 and that everyone else as below them. i see them here in canada trying to show and push there religon on us, go back home i tell them, back to the cave you came from!

I think your figures are a bit optimistic.

It didn't take long, did it? "While most Arabs have long viewed Israel as their enemy, the extent to which Israel weighs on the regional psyche and diverts attention away from social, political, religious and economic issues that cannot be ignored, many social and political analysts say. Blaming Israel is not just a knee jerk, they say; for many Arabs, it is their reality." - NY Times The first step towards curing a disease is admitting one is ill, and this the Arabs are incapable of doing. They even find it hard to admit that other Arabs or Muslims blew up the three hotels in Amman, finding it easier to blame Israel, the eternal scapegoat. If this is the situation, Israel must build the security barrier higher and be prepared for a long siege, while at the same time extending a hand of peace towards its neighbors. Until Islam undergoes a reformation as appened in Christianity and Judaism, there is not much to hope for. Europe be warned! You are importing your own executioners.

All this talk about Islam taking over the world is distressing, but so it nearly everything else in this world of ours, we are I hear overdue for a large asteroid strike. Maybe a piece of interstellar rock will put an end to all our problems :)

Islam - the most loved religion???? say that to the thousands of people killed by the terrorist.

James Sullivan's mind is made up; don't try to confuse him with the facts. BTW, in the New Testament, James is Jesus' brother. In the excellent Hebrew translation by F. Delitzsch, "James" appears as "Ya'akov". This is the source of James Sullivan's nom de guerre.

So Europe and the whole world is coverting to Islam, as reported by Ms. Muslima on this chat room in Haaretz. So why Al Qaeda (Both in Afganistan headquarters and the Iraqi branch) and Hamasniks kepp on blowing themselves up? It looks rather stupid isn't it ! Instead to wait and have everybody following Islam they are blowing uo their own constituency of future Moslems. This is a good script for a sequel to Arkins movie the "Russians are comming" Lets call the new movie "The Moslems are comming" I am going now into hiding, lesta Ayatollah issues a Fatwa to kill me for this insulting idea

You are right about slavery. It was practised by many peoples. However, we admit the west practised it and that slavery was very wrong. It was the west who fought against slavery and abolished it. Muslims will never admit they practised slavery, because it is the religion of "love and peace". But they did, and they are still doing.

Classical culture and Latin were never lost in Europe. Latin was the language of culture for many centuries (if I remember till the XIX) century. So you could study in any university because the teaching was in Latin.

Then what does your chasing after me suggest? If I am a woman as you suggest, then are after a fling?If I am a man as I say then you are G..?I know you emabarassed yourself there gabe1 dont compund it.

You are right about the Chinese. I like them because they are very hardworking people and don't cause trouble, in addition to being so polite. When they arrive from China, they are in far worse conditions than most Muslims. They start working withouth complain and after a few years they are well-off. Chinese are really responsible parents and their children don't skip classes.

If they didn't feel oppressed, they would have no use for Islam whatsoever. Count on their parents, mosque, demagogues to instill such feelings, no matter what their objective circumstances may be. Islam in Europe is an issue of immigrants. Eventually, of all Muslim immigrants to Europe: 20% will go back to their countries of origin, because they can't adapt to the change in norms; 20% will go to prison, for the same reason; 20% will develop a European Muslim culture, that doesn't exist yet; 40% will blend into the greater European population and cease to exist as Muslims/Asians in any meaningful way.

what are you talking about there is little snow and few arabs - thank god ! most of the arabs here are on welfare and dont contribute,,,,what else is new

,"the Muslims were way ahead in everything." Also in fundamentalism. We can say that the Almoravids and Almohads were al-Qaeda forefathers. I don't believe they were that ahead. There is a myth about it.

So the victims in Jordan are convinced it was an Israeli conspiracy! This after Al Queeda named the bombers. Maybe there just is no intelligent thought among the muslims. Faith that is based on propoganda and lies, no woner they don't bother buiilding schools; can't convert them if they think.

It is very simple, every conflict in this world there are a muslim envolved. You are with them or against them, there is no other choice. They do not respect other religions. They hate everything that is not muslim.

The problem with democracy is that it must allow those who want to destroy it a fertile breeding ground.

To those who commented on the Christianity conversion rates against Islamic... Islam is 700 years younger than Christianity, and attracts more converts than any other religion. The numbers of Muslims who leave the faith are the lowest of all religions. Islam Rox and the Quran Rules

A North American native Indian , a Moslem , and an American are sitting together on a train. The Indian looks out onto the landscape and says " we were so many and now we are so few " The Moslem looks out and says " we were so few and soon we will be many" The American looks at them and says " don't count so fast we haven't yet started to play COWBOYS AND MOSLEMS

Europe died in Auschwitz. We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent.We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world... And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride. --Excerpts from "All European life died in Auschwitz" By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez(*) (*)? This is a summary of an article recently printed in a Spanish newspaper, but it applies to most countries of western Europe.

They had all the same disadvantages as the Muslims. They just decided being a victim is not a great carreer choice. Just look how quickly second generation Chinese move up the ladder. If you want to be an apologist thats your prerogative but just try to look at the whole picture,without a swipe at Israel,whether the topic is connected or not.

I believe if they think honor killings, rapes, etc. are justified by Muslims, it is their concerned. My concern is that I don 't want this to happen in Europe. And the best solution for them is to live in Muslim countries. After all, if they are satisfied with their system of beliefs, it is up to them, but they should be prevented from impossing them in our countries. I have read some polls according to which a majority of Muslims agree with stoning of women, suicide bombings, honor killings, etc.

Mullahs paradise? How much misery can people take from the Religion of peace and tolerance. Thank you for re-iterating the policy of CAIR and others. FREE THE WORLD FROM ISLAMIST TERROR

And you are the living proof!!!

Thanks Tulip! I dont know why Gabe 1 distorts the meaning of me writting a simple post to a woman for. Oh well! Regards danite

A gentleman would know what to do, do you?

As for Muslim countries being poor, they will know the reasons for their poverty. Most of those countries are very rich, they have gas and petrol. So the Muslim from poor countries shouldn't emigrate to Europe, but to Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc., where they can be among their brethren.

That is true, I was referingto the next wave of translations done in the early 15th centuryand which in part helped fuel the renaissance.The church preserved alot its true they also banned and burned alot too.The Muslims preserved many such works that were retranslated back into Greek in latin in the 15th century.I those days Kim war was brutal and slavery commonplace, also much of spanish culture borrowed heavily from the Moors.During the middle ages europe was an open sewer for most of its people, the Muslims were way ahead in everything. Thanks for the post I love to discuss history. Regards Kim Danite

I have my doubts as to your claim of being a gentleman. Your chasing after Ben Gurion seems to bely that.

".. the classic examples are the muslim immigrants from morroco or parts of nothern africa that try to go to spain.. " Most of those illegals are black Africans and the Moroccans transport them doing business on them. Moroccan officials are involved on the business of the boat people.

And we have here Russian and Bulgarian mafias. The problem with those people is that they kill one another among them, not that they want to convert us into anything or wipe us out . I think they should also be expelled but it is a different matter, they don't threat our civilization.

Thanks to the British who gave the Canadian an English language so they can speak and read. We all know the Canadian are originally indian? Victoria BC is now with something to be proud of after the British made it something. Canada keep accepting immigrants all the time to improve its economy specialy Arab with money, they accept them fast and immigrants from all over the world helping Canada to survive like Iranians and Asians lives in BC and Arab lives in Ontario.

Hala, I agree with you on many things in this posting. But it is absolutely necessary the muslim community must acknowledge that honor killings in their communities are based on distorted islam. It is not only cultural. I hope you read more about this subject, because it is important to know what the root is. I don't deny killings, rape and torture occurs in all backgrounds, but in the islamic world somehow justification of this phenomenon shot root and until this very day it is alive.

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Don't tell me that you are a pure Canadian and originally from Canada. Same thing here there so many jews immigrants who came here from East Europe and Russia! it's too much. The British invited me here and everything was easy and getting easier, they likes me.

" And one more thing, you state that british elite is converting to islam or that prince charles is considering converting to islam.. i can notice that you are not very well informed about that topic.. " First of all I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING. The sources are well respected newspapers, in the countries where people are converting. British, European , Russian, Australian, African, Asian, So what do you mean "i said". About the Prince Charles converting, that was written by Daniel Pipes. Yes i see the results around me, and i know very well that the British King/monarch has to be protestant, or give up the throne, like King Edward did. I suggest you read carefully. If the sources are Islamic, (some of them) why does that surprise you? Obviously only Islamic ones are interested that's why. Christian sites will be interested in Christian conversions etc. They can easily be verifed, they are not lies like you are hinting, and anyway, most of the European sources are not Islamic. In fact most of them are not Islamic sources, and even if some are, so what? You can check the facts yourself! Islam has always been the most attractive religion, attracts converts like no other, and will remain like that. Islam is the youngest religion, yet one quarter of humanity is Muslim today. Of course that figure gets higher and higher....until.........well you know:)

To whome it may concern: First deaths of the first intifada were a few (three?) arab victims of a traffic accident in which an arab taxi has not stopped at the "STOP" sign and hit Israeli track. I am not defending the very weak Shieff's article; I wish the arguments based on facts and not on hollow polytical slogans. Unfortunately, we live in the time of slogans and illiteracy. Sincerely, Vladimir

We have a real Jugoslavian maffia in Holland.

With almost 7 billion people on this planet it is likely some of them convert to Islam, by force or by will. But the only way Islam will become bigger is by birth and not by conversion. Conversion figures are marginal.

in 1985 summer I was a medical student and travelling with my interrail card in Europe, on my first(an the last) enterance to France, guess I was the only Turk in the carriage,and one who had been checked meticulously,...no this is not the right word,when the guy took out my sanitary towels (an unopened ordinary brand )and in the pretence of searching hold it up so that everyone in the coach can see, it was more than searching for a purpose it was a deliberate action of humiliation! Which of course only changed my look to a society whom I have respected due to its history and literature .I guess the most powerful tool to understand the outside world is our interpersonal relations with it...It is strange to see how the riots in France turned into a debate of islamization .Guess when we loose our natural respect for each other ,and when this loss is legitimized by the group we belong(and the aim of the respect can be changed easily by powerful propagandas from natural ones to the learned ones..) we are stripped of our chains, our self control...which is a delight..then we can burn the cars or label and belittle societies by words..or do more..Yes today masses are without their humane values and yet free within the area that capacity allows it.We have an idea for everything but that everthing is within the limits of others(is this the sacred democracy we all aiming? )Masses-with no individuality- are just tools for their superiors , they are the "gangs","muslims" ,"europeans"...Only the superiors have their individual names..How can we be ourselves with funny corresponding names and injected ideas? The struggle should be between the individuals and masses(not only humans but all masses without names,guess nature is more successfulon her behalf than man) for sharing the sources of "respect,sources and values"..But enough of this dream, I can see the smile of the reader if there is one..Especially that smile which unites us,masses..because we know that even the dreams are reserved for individuals.

has mostly to do with streams from within, not outsiders. It was the desert islam that killed the culture.

Hala, honor killings is alive today, also in the USA. I am sure of it. It is still a habit among Saudi's, Iranians, Turks and Iraqi's. The fact that you do not hear so much about it is that the USA has not found a system yet to fight this and I am 100% sure of it that most honor killings of immigrants in the USA, happen outside the USA, to avoid any scenery. The women are being taken abroad and killed there.

I don't have much time now, but I will get back on the Muslims crusades in Europe, which were actually there but no one seems to talk about it anymore.

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Have you never heard of The Thousand and One Nights?

Kim: UP THE WALL makes a lot of sense. Everywhere we look there seems to be Muslim suicide bombers. If they wish to blow up their own people thats fine but leave the rest of humanity alone. The bombers are not martyrs but just mass murdering criminals. For those Muslims who think like we do against the terrorists, stand up bravely and be counted!

You are right. If you state that the London bombings were committed by Muslims, that van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim; that the Muslims have the highest rates of criminality (rapes, robbery, etc.), they call you Islamophobic.

you have a point, but the problem of that situation is that most of the muslim countries are really poor and most muslims go to other coutries to get out of their situations.. the classic examples are the muslim immigrants from morroco or parts of nothern africa that try to go to spain.. or if you get an illegal alien in europe, most chances are that he's a muslim..

I don't mind about the Arabs introducing the zero, building the Alhambra or whatever good they did (if something). I don't even mind the civilizations and buildings they destroyed in the past. My concern now is that we have the invaders at home NOW and what they are trying to do with us NOW.

have you noticed that most of your websites come from Islam sources??? And one more thing, you state that british elite is converting to islam or that prince charles is considering converting to islam.. i can notice that you are not very well informed about that topic.. do you know that a one of the requisites to be a member of the royal family is to be a protestant?? or that lady d was killed while "dating" a muslim?? do you really think they want to be muslims?? please consider other sources than your own religious ones..

You should wonder why Muslims living in France have fewer opportunities than other people when it comes to work. If they want to be like any other person, they should go to school and adapt themselves to their hosts countries' customs and law. They shouldn't complain. They came here on their own accord. We didn't force them to come. If we are racists, they shouldn't have come and, once here, they should go back their homelands.

You are right, Avrum. There are other immigrants living in Europe, such as Chinese, south Americans, East Europeans, black Africans, etc., who cause no trouble, so the Europeans respect them.

Observation: From what you say, you would like to see Islam spread worldwide. So are you for the jihadists trying to achieve it?

What do you have against the Spaniards and the Portuguese? You say it is a shame for the Spaniards to have expelled the invaders. Why don't you add it is a shame for Islam to have been prevented from invading the whole Europe? So you would like the Spaniards and the Portuguese to have been wiped out of the face of the earth and that the current Spain and Portugal were like Saudi Arabia, Iran or something similar?

Isn't it obvious that this is just another move to push Islam down our throats. The US news won't even report on it. It's like racist to even say Muslim. They say "youths" or "disenfranchised young people". If they don't like it, let them go back to North Africa. They smelled weakness in the French, and when the Muslim fanatic smells weakness, they pounce, and pounce they did. Show's you what socialism brings you. The new anthem for France should be "Thank heaven for little girls" because that is what the French leadership looks like. Scared little girls. They got what they deserved.

"After all, what is the solution to the "Muslim problem?" Kill them all? " I better would like to know what the solution for the non-Muslims problem. Kill us all? As Muslims are demonstrating, Islam is incompatible with western civilization. So the solution, from my point of view, is for them to remain in their land and us to remain in ours. The solution is that easy.

...whats your point?

You are right that the Church declared the reconquest to be a crusade. As for some places in north Africa, they had been linked to Spain before the Muslim invasion, first under the Romans, later on, under the Visigod kings.

Some observations. When the lands of the Roman empire were invaded by the Germanic peoples, the Roman culture was preserved in the monasteries. One of the tasks of the monks was to make copies of Latin works. You say the Arabs translated into Latin. I think you are mistaken. The translations were made in the School of Translators of Toledo when it was already under Christian rule. The works were carried out by teams of Muslims,Jews and Christians. This school was founded by bishop don Raimundo in the XII century. Later on, in the XIII century, when king Alfonso X, directed the school, he decided the translations should be made into Spanish. Many different peoples went in different times to the Iberian peninsula and the Balearic islands, all of whom mixed with one another, but for the Muslims. You could wonder what's the reason for this. It is true that they built beautiful buildings, which you can see today because they were not destroyed. There were beatiful buildings before there arrival, which you cannot now see because they put them to waste. And they built their buildings on slaughter and on the business of slaves they caught in liberated territory.

There are lots of people converting to Christianity worldwide, also in China and even in the Muslim world. The problem with converts into Christianity in the Muslim world is that they have to remain underground so they are not charged with apostasy and given the death penalty.

My my you are really busy converting everybody. Well young miss, you are also creating hostility at the same time. We Christians and I am also sure that the Jews and Hindus will resist your religious aggression. For every action there is an equally strong reaction!

You are right, Flower. They feel outraged when Israel kills a terrorist, but if Arabs and Muslims kill Arabs and Muslims, it is right, by those people standards.

Most Chinese Jews convertd to Islam faculty.rmwc.edu/fwebb/buck/eaandrijcic/chinesejews.html#jewishcommunity Problems that face Israeli Jews who convert to Islam Joseph Algazy, Haaretz 12 Dec. 2002 oznik.com/words/021212.html Rabbi of Makhachkala synagogue embraced Islam (Russia) eng.islam.ru/newmuslims/rabbi/ "Jewish Extremist" Converts To Islam www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART/884/607.html Anxiety in Israel as hundreds of Jews convert to Islam (Agencies)7 June 2004 www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2004/June/middleeast_June171.xml§ion=middleeast&col (South Africa) Converts swell Muslim ranks 10/11/2003 07:52 - (SA) www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1442747,00.html .(Continent of Asia) Islam attracting highest numbers of converts in Asia Updated 16th June 2002 From Rod Davies, Orient Pacific Century :: www.asiamarketresearch.com/asia/ South Korea: Islam is this country's fastest growing religion. Sources: The Korea Times 11-22-2002 www.islamkorea.com/english/articlean1.html Singapore: 500 Convert To Islam Every Year by Vivi ZainolSaturday 22 November 2003 Source: The Straits Times islamicsydney.com/story.php?id=1294 Islam wins new converts in Mexico 07-02-2002 www.finalcall.com/international/mexico07-02-2002.htm USA -300 000 converts to Islam in American, PRISONS mediaguidetoislam.sfsu.edu/intheus/06c_converts.htm US Latinas seek answers in Islam from the December 27, 2004 edition www.csmonitor.com/2004/1227/p11s02-ussc.html The United States of Islamexica? By Julia Gorin FrontPageMagazine.com | September 1, 2005 frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19341 Below are links with conversion figures listed by country Prominent Converts to Islam (Europe & Worldwide) Austria,Denmark, France, Germany, UK, USA www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=6 Islam the Fastest Growing Religion www.islamawareness.net/Fastest/ Islamic Converts in the News thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/index.php?category=4 Islamic Converts Around the World www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_websites.htm Islamic Conversion reports from countries worldwide www.islamdefenders.com/convert/index_convert.htm ISLAMIC CONVERTS www.theamericanmuslim.org/research_comments.php?id=464_0_23_0_C ISLAM: FASTEST GROWING RELIGION ON THE PLANET www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/articles/Introduction/fastest/fastest_planet.html

Islamic Britain lures top people Nicholas Hellen and Christopher Morgan The Sunday Times - Britain February 22, 2004 www.therevival.co.uk/articles/ISLAMIC_BRITAIN.htm Catholics turn to Islam as faith conversions rise By Jonathan Petre www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2000/09/03/nrel03.xml The new face of Islam The phenomenon of educated, white, middle class English converts to Islam. by Nick Compton www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonlife/articles/360513 Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam? Sept. 4, 2005 update www.danielpipes.org/blog/119 Thousands Of British Elite Embrace Islam: Study www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-02/26/article03.shtml Increasing Number of Russians Adopting Islam Created: 04.10.2004 18: MosNews www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/04/islam.shtml Russia's Turning Muslim, Says Mufti" by Daniel Pipes August 6, 2005 www.danielpipes.org/blog/495 Islam Takes Root in Ukraine Gyorgy Lederer: 4/6/01 A EurasiaNet Extra www.crimeatau.org.ua/project/islam/itriu.html Russia: Dawn of Islam in Siberia www.islamicpopulation.com/Siberian_muslims.html (Australia) Christians converting to Islam November 18, 2003 www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/17/1069027046245.html?oneclick=true Islamic converts increasing in Australia AM - Saturday, 27 August , 2005 08:06:10 Reporter: Lisa Millar www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1447377.htm (Spain) Where the Moors Held Sway, Allah Is Praised Again By Craig S. Smith, The New York Times October 21, 2003 hispanicmuslims.com/articles/other/spain.html 25,000 Italian citizens have converted to Islam - Feb. 15th, 2002 www.italiaplease.com/eng/megazine/gofigure/2002/02/islam/ Islam on rise in Belgium Jul 26, 2005, 13:59 GMT news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/article_1036899.php/ Switzerland - Putting their faith in Islam Publié le: 14-03-2005 Around 30,000 women in Switzerland have converted to Islam, according to a recent report by an organisation for Muslim women. www.meknes-net.com/actualites/article.php?id=3395 Muslim converts on the Rise in Germany thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=379 Choosing Islam: a Study of Swedish Converts Sultan Social Compass.1999; 46: 325-335. scp.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/46/3/325 Why some 3000 to 5000 ethnic Danes have converted to Islam in recent years ?THE COPENHAGEN POST: www.cphpost.dk/get/79365.html Former Christian Priests and Missionaries who have Embraced Islam thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/index.php?category=1

i see sullivan like the channels in new orleans where the sink-holes of the marginalised have this idiotic "channels of mobility." or the "channels of mobility" in the inner cities of cleveland and detroit?or washington dc? or any of the large american cities where the marginalised form hordes of the unemployed. sullivan knows the problem but chooses to lecture france when the marginalised are in the city-centres he does his best to avoid visiting. sullivan your hypocrisy is repulsive.

"Without a doubt the europeans have been the most bloodthirsty , money hungry, brutal , savage,destructive , warlike , callous and exploitative people in the enitire history of the world, not the Muslims or any body else.Just read any history book." Well, that just justifies what the muslim extremists do, doesn't it? Now it's their turn to start WWIII, right? Take a hike will you

sullivan that is just crap.quite meaningless.the ideals of the french republic of liberty equality and fraternity. have these marginalised youths not been given homes?do they not get state payments? if they were really unhappy they could return to their homelands where liberty etc would be given short shrift. the truth of the matter is that they will never be part of a modern european economy. no amount of hypocritical meaningless cant from you will do anything apart from bore the pants of haaretz readers.

During the Great Siege of Malta by the Turkish Armada 400 years ago, the first Muslim attackers where tall blonde young men of Slavic blood. These were the holy worriors. They had been captured as young kids from their homeland in the Adriatic islands and raised just for this purpose. The muslim nations have always had this thing about the taking of Europe.France will be the frontline for this modern day try.The armada is already in. It is just time now. This time there will be no Nazi to put the blame on but most Jews will slowly and silently sell off their holdings and as they leave so will the brightest of people. All radical religions have brought hunger and danger to the common people. Islam is the perfect candidate for such a situation. Unless the common people of France rise against the radicals of any religion then France will be betraying the free people of the world who based their laws on the great fight of their forefathers. Viv le France. God needs no man to fight his fights becuase God IS. Peace be with you all.

failed actors know nothing.do you expect that the "marginalised" in france will actually start being part of the "conceptual exports" industry that europe is now engaged in. europe is leaving manufacturing behind them and is becoming a service economy.those in the suburbs will never be part of that service economy.they will depend on state payments forever.all this crap about respect is a stale script mouthed by failed actors.

The Muslims had certainly their Golden Age and have achieved a lot for themselves and humanity as a whole but those Muslims were open minded and tolerant compared to the Jihadists today. They would be stoned to death by today's extremists. It seems to me that all institutional religions:Chritianity,Judaism,Islam and even Hinduism and Budhism go thorugh a terrible crisis caused mainly by the technological and scientific revolution we go through. Islam unfortunately has a violent reaction to change with dire consequences for all of us,Muslims included.

Levy says: "With their most recent tragedy, I hope they gain some empathy for Israel." I would like to think so. Certainly hope so. The barbaric terrorist attacks in Jordan left the Jordanians so enraged that they actually protested in the thousands against al-Zarqawi and against terrorism. Unprecedented. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_jordan_bombings_1 "Palestinians have tasted the blind violence that does not differentiate between people ? children, women, wedding parties, ordinary people," said Palestinian newspaper commentator Hani al-Masri. "I expect now a significant change in the Palestinian political culture," he said. "For sure, this attack will push Palestinians to reconsider this way of suicide bombings, and I think it would reduce support for attacks that kill people without any differentiation." The sentiments are encouraging. But unfortunately, unless we see the vehement condemnations when Muslims blow up nonMuslims, I don't take the comments very seriously.

I'm really disappointed reading so many hateful comments, spoken and unspoken wishes for a pogrom against europeans of arab and islamic ancestry. Is it really because these peoples have'nt assimilated into the "european" culture yet? This is quite remarkable coming from jewish folks, the light of the world, who were for centuries quite assimilated into europe, and who actually defined european civilization. Yet they found themselves in the darkest pages of human history in one european country after another. Was that because they held to their forefathers' faith? Or was that because the practiced form of christianity was too weak and too false to civilize them into adopting it? Or was it because Germany and Poland shared common civilizational values that were different from the jewish people's values? Would Turkey already be a member of the EU if it were predominantly christian? The stakes are much much higher today, and the concepts of freedom and tolerance will be tested to the limit. The slogans will not suffice as they did during KristalNight, and at Auschwitz. People like Hitler, Pat Roberston, and Osama are too stupid to successfully redefine freedom by assigning a faith, an ethnicity, or a race to it.

As a Muslim living in Europe, I would like to underline the fact that what is happening right now in France is not a question of Islam. I recently saw on Fox Tv that they were showing scenes from Paris riots, with a title "Muslim Riots". Discrimination is not focused on muslims, but on a social class of the population, who have experienced unemployment and poverty for 2 generations. Imagine, there are young men and women who are not only unemployed themselves, but they have never seen their own parents being employed. Please stop talking of "islamization", because these riots can happen in any society, from any minority.

Some of this is true, but when you think this is the ONLY TRUTH then what you mention is just crap from the major news sources that fail to mention who is behind those "youth". Thinking that liberal policies and more candies will appease them is nonsense. Get rid of those high-rises might do some good (won't solve of course). I lived here in the US in the black neighborhood for 6 years in NY, and what? Those who got more money from Government used it to buy drugs, alcohol etc. Many immigrants from East European countries, China, Korea etc. who came with no money tried to work their asses off (true many also were getting Public Assistance first few years) got themselves or their kids into colleges and universities. Those who are treated like beggards under the guise of compassion and understanding actually only add salt to the open wound...

Hala, You are being disingenuous. Yes, there are murderers in the US. Every society produces murderers and human beings capable of tremendous evil. The question is -- how does society treat their murderers? The United States arrests and imprisons its murderers. The US Society condemns those men who murder their wives or girlfriends, who murder their children. Many Islamic nations, however, excuse and justify honor killings. First and foremost, oftentimes several members of the family, especially male members participate in honor killings of their daughters and sisters. Communites in Islamic countries justify honor killings. The murderers in Islamic countries receive no jail time whatsoever or light sentences.

Hello, Anthony: Rather than disparage the Muslims for the collapse of the great flowering that took place in the years until the Ottoman conquests, it might be better to respect the past and remind the Muslims that they have a duty to their history to emulate and try to live up to it. After all, the Arabs were cheated of the Renaissance, which they themselves, ironically, had helped to jumpstart with their access to and study of ancient Greek texts, their engineering skills, astronomy and medicine. Because of the Mongol invasions which destroyed Baghdad and the triumph of the Turks, the lands of the Muslims were stuck in hopeless decay. With time and patience, who can predict the future? After all, what is the solution to the "Muslim problem?" Kill them all? Or what do you propose?

"Long before the Tamil Tigers and the kamikaze, around 1150-1100 BC and according to the Old Testament Judges 16:20-30, a big great bloke named Samson put a crashing end to his love-hate relationship with the Philistines by bringing down the temple of Dagon on himself and about 3,000 Philistine men and women, killing more than he ever had before, and crying out to God: "Let me die with the Philistines!" -------------------------------------- Hala, Samson was not trained by expert handlers for the specific purpose of murdering others while martyring himself.

islam is bad for europe

Sweden is a land of hypocrisy and tells everyone how to behave. The same sweden, "neutral" sweden that supplied Bofors guns to Germany in the war. Johannes , people get tired of your self sanctimonious bleatings. Go have a coffee with the other Johannes (Franzen) and calm down!

Surely the worst thing that Islam in Europe has done is rob us of the superb singer-songwriter, Cat Stevens....

Dear Tulip: Never mind, I recall now that during the proclamation of the Second Crusade, Pope Eugenius III granted the same indulgence to Alfonso VII of Castilla that he had granted to the French crusaders so that they might continue fighting against the Moors in their own land of Spain, which they had been doing already, rather than to go to the Holy Land. Marseilles, Pisa and Genoa were also encouraged to engage in the fight to rid the Iberian Peninsula of the Moslems. Now that makes sense. My best regards

You're right on the mark.

Actually the "reconquest"was officialy declared an official crusade by the church as were the Spanish forays into north africa in the 16th century. Regards Danite

I agree totaly that the Arab world is in a semi failed state, one cannot rest on ones laurels too long.However in regards to Al Andalus there was indeed a Golden Age, it did not last as long as most think it did but from the invasion in the 780s(around?) to the Almovid fanatics in 1090(around?) Andalusia was indeed an exceptioanl place, after that it got more complicated.Look at where they used to be an where they are now, its been a long drop. Regards Danite

Yeah Right...Poor them...As if the Hindus were also leaving Muslims in cold or may be Non muslim Africans did? Or may be other non Muslims in Indonesia or...don't want to go down the list...you get the idea. Stop victimizing them. Others no less oppressed, impoverished people live all over the world, however they don't blow themselves up. Bin Laden does not blow himself up, however brainwashed youngsters do...

You're exactly right, the active mob that constitutes less than 5% will cause destruction that the rest 95% will taste the blood and tragedy thereof...I have known this from history and I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I was lucky one who escaped before the bloodshed, many were not so. Political Correctness has nothing to do with fairness and reality. Those liberal idiots will open their eyes when it will be all too late.

There's nothing wrong to be proud of one's history, but it's no substitute for the present. Unfortunately, this is how it is with too many Muslims. It gets even worse: some people start making myths, like the blissful utopia in al-Andalus.

Dear Tulip: There are many, many "honor" killings in the USA, so many estranged husbands and boyfriends kill their women, sometimes in a classroom before the innocent children, sometimes in a court of law. If there are any Muslim honor killings, they must be very few, since the latest ones that have made the news have been perpetrated by regular white or African-American men. What really is a problem here is the way that child sex molesters are treated with kid gloves. The horrific, violent rapes and murders of little girls in Florida and other states in the past few years have left the society reeling. Another problem is boyfriends of women with children abusing and killing the babies, as if they were jealous of them. A recent case involved a 14-month baby in Detroit who had been scalded with boiling water, beaten so badly that her brain was hemorrhaging and who had four broken ribs. The increasing births by single, very young girls have risen up to over 40%. The children are at risk not only of malnutrition, birth defects due to drug ingestion on the part of the mothers but also of abuse and death due to gruesome living conditions. I am disgusted with the legislative system that protects the "rights" of the natural parents until it is too late.

Without a doubt the europeans have been the most bloodthirsty , money hungry, brutal , savage,destructive , warlike , callous and exploitative people in the enitire history of the world, not the Muslims or any body else.Just read any history book.

Greetings, Tulip-- You had mentioned crusades in Spain, and I was wondering what that meant, since there were actually eight crusades, from the time of Pope Urban II (assumed the papacy in 1088) to Louis IX (circa 1270), all with the purpose of recovering the Holy Sepulchre at Jerusalem from the Muslims, the immediate cause being the interruption of the pilgrim traffic to the Holy Land sites as a result of the advance of the Seljuk Turks, who were not as tolerant as the Arabs. Unfortunately, due to Roman Catholic prejudice, the Byzantine Empire never recovered from the disastrous Fourth Crusade and eventually fell to the Ottomans in 1453. There were other excursions sanctioned by the Pope after the Eighth Crusade, but none with the immensity of the original eight. I do not recall anything about a Crusade in Spain, unless the term is used loosely.

France has sympathized with the Palestinians and criticized the "evil occupying" Israel. As long as French blood wasn't spilled, the French didn't care. I hope these riots gave the French a strong blow to their heads that can finally wake them up. They finally got a taste of what Israel has been eating for decades.

The only impression Islam makes today is one of violence and savagery. Remember that it's the people who act that make impressions. The decent Arabs that sit in silence don't make any impressions. For the last few centuries, the western world has made tremendous positive contributions that create positive impressions on people. And let's leave WWI and WWII out of this discussion.

Yes Jordan is actually one of few, if not the only Arab country that fights terror. I know that they kicked Hamas out. But, one out of a dozen has little influence. With their most recent tragedy, I hope they gain some empathy for Israel. Jordan must fight its enemies, and Israel has every right to fight its enemies. But of course, we hear plenty of criticism whenever Israel tries to defend itself from terror.

Stop trying to play MR Knight in shining armour to damsels who are not in distress, they are in the company of the Danite, a gentleman of very good reputation I assure you.Lady Tulip gave no indication of any disturbance brought on by my communication to her, the fact that she is a grown woman in command of the English language makes it highly likely that had I caused offence she would have remarked upon it.Since she did not the conclusion should be obvious even to a simpleton, that none was given!!The next time you accuse this gentleman of a false malfeisance you shall have to retract or I shall exact an apology. Good day to you.

I agree that the Muslim world is stuck in the mud,but their achievements are a part of our everyday life.Why does it bother some people so much to mention anything positve about Muslims, even 8oo year old history scares some people.I was answering a question, which was what did the Muslims ever contribute to humanity. The list I gave was only a small fraction of it.Relax its okay to be honest about history, it helps show the way today and some signs to look for in the future.

Tell them like it is Connie and I hope this is an eye opener for the rest of the world. Radical Muslims...go back home if you don't like western culture. Who asked you to come to the western way of life to begin with.

Johannes, Not everyone lives in a fantasyland like Sweden. If the Swedes lived in the Middle East,they would either stand and fight as Israel has done... or they wouldn't last. Sweden has a reputation for preaching to the rest of the world about problems it does not face or comprehend. Tell us about Sweden's immigration policies, Johannes. Keep up your country's tradition. Roberto

Yes I could, whats your problem with what I wrote?You dont like that I dont let lies about history pass in silence?By the way the fact that we have a free press , freedom of speech etc is because of left wingers, the right wingers said such freedom would be the end of civilised society. But you dont really care about the truth or history do you rich? Danite

I agree with William McMillan 100% and say the same about people from another country in the USA. If you don't like it here and you don't like our laws...guess what? You are free to leave and our government will not stop you. Good Riddens!

If all countries all over the world would cut the political correctness and embrace their country and their rules we would not have this problem. When you move to another country you should expect to go by their customs and laws. But in todays world it seems as if Western countries are expected to embrace people from another country and we have to go by their customs and laws if we visit/move to their country. Unbalanced? Sure.

Hummerdal you have your facts wrong!! Israel has integrated blacks from Ethiopia, yemenites, Moroccans,Americans, Indians Vietnamese refugees, Black panthers from America and yes! even blonde Swedes. Perhaps you remember how the Ethiopians arrived in Israel with people warmly welcoming them? Or have you a European short memory?Despite some minor issues Israel is a melting pot of immigrants from all over the world. Oh of course!! Arabs sit in the knesset parliament and in academia,justice, foreign affairs and if you ever went to Haifa dear Johannes, you would see how arabs and Jews live together.Too bad with your european tunnel vision. The French and others could learn a thing or two.

So Pakistan refuses Israel's assistance in fundraising for Islamabad. No one should contribute then. This is the wisdom of Islam. Let them live and die by it. Our money is not good enough for them either then. Maybe all the oil rich countries full of their brothers should rescue them.Westerners keep your hands on your wallets from these superior beings. How arrogant to allow their people to die and refuse aid.

Partly it's the politically correct stuff. Partly you have groups like CAIR using the "rights" and lawyers threat to scare everyone from speaking out. This failure of immigrants to assimilate anywhere is due to the arrogant superiority which causes no desire to assimilate. Then they riot because they are not treated well and no one likes them. That my friends is the truth.

What about the ethereally beautiful Taj Mahal in India?