Independent as an Indian reservation

What should the Israelis do? Lay down and wait to be killed? Save you sensitivities for yourself, you have a right to commit suicide, don't ask others to put their lives at risk so it will fulfill your sensitivities. Bush is using Israel as his scrifice. When he need to appease the Arabs or when Toni Blair comes to visit and needs something to take home to soothe the Brits what can be easier then getting concessions from Israel? What country in the world would concede its sovereignty to their enemies as Israel is being ordered to do By the US?

Our media doesn't tell us how pushy Rumsfeld is, even with his friends. Now that I know how he treats Israel in private, I might even start liking that crazy neo-con. What the Empire wants, the Empire gets. To paraphrase a two decades old George Will quote: it is dangerous to be America's enemy; it is fatal to be America's friend.

On behalf of the Palestinians, I accept.

Israel has not caused the Palestinian problem. The Palestinians have, as have the rest of the Arab world eager to maintain the status of Israel as a scape goat for the Palestinian's problems. They have had numerous opportunities to make their lives better, and have not opted for a single one. No Arab country lifts a finger to help them significantly. Why do you think the so called refugee problem has persisted a rediculous fifty pls The rest of the world and mainly Europe is also to blame. By not pressuring the PA to reform its ways, and by continuing to fund them handsomely despite zero social or economic progress, the world is basically saying, it's ok to remain a terrorist state with zero ambition to do any good whatsoever by its citizens. The more the world blames Israel for international terrorsism, ther more there will be international terrorism. The world has never condemned it, and now is suffering at the hands of it by no fault but their own.

Deborah: A minor error in your history lesson: "In 1948 the 'Palestinians' left their homes in the belief that the Arabs would wipe out the Israelis." Deir Yassin, certain "events" in Jaffa, Lydda, Ramla et al took place a month before the end of the Mandate, good old Plan D. Suggested reading: Benny Morris's "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949."

Most people (except zionists in the case of Israel) do not accept the doctrine that because someone else somewhere else at another time did bad things to my group, I have the right to do bad things to you.

You're certainly right about the very dark stains on our history. We have done very badly, but in fairness we have learned and today nobody is by law designated inferior (except white males). However, I would be interested in your detailing any instance of a naturalized citizen having fewer rights before the law than a person born a citizen (which is what I claimed). As I said before, I think it fair that what I have said be read before it is criticized.

Get a life, go find a girl/boy. go on a date go to the mall find a park bench to sit on just stop puting your inane nonsense out here for people to suffer through.

Fairplay: My parents perished in one of the concentration camps and now I am settled in the States. But my own personal tragedy made me more sensitive to other people's suffering not less. And this the crux of the matter: I am ultra sensitive to see that the people who suffered the most are justifying the maltreatment of the Palestinians and denying them their own identity as a people. For me this is a Jewish tragedy before it is a palestinian tragedy. Chomsky and Finkelstein should be listened rather than riducled by people with half of their brains. Being Jewish should not translate to being over aggressive, abrasive, and arrogant. The slogan "never again" has lost its meaning and is now replaced "ever again and always"

To whom it amy concern: This is a christain land. I offer Montana for both parties.

As usual Dutch takes any subject and comes back to his usual theme. The Israelis are cold international criminals and the Palestinians are warm cuddly victims. (See #53) After all, he says, look at all the United Nations resolutions the Israelis have violated. Jeepers creepers. The legality of the Jewish State in Palestine is only through the United Nations and only after centuries of Jewish victimization culminating in the Holocaust. This is a legality Hamas has not accepted. When Dutch, Gaza Boy, and Khalil show they understand this much, their criticism of Israeli policies would be much more effective.

You may be interested in a section of Professor Martin Gilbert's Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict where on page 44 the following quote was inserted: "Do not fear. Do not destroy your homes with your own hands. Do not block off your sources of livelihood. Do not bring tragedy upon yourselves by unnecessary evacuation and self-imposed burdens..." APPEAL TO HAIFA'S ARABS BY THE FEDERATION OF JEWISH WORKERS 28/4/48 If you also look at the history of the period and study official British documents you will see that the Jewish mayor of Haifa asked the Arab population to stay.

"That, however, is irrelevant because anybody who was naturalized yesterday is just as American as I." HA HA HA Is that what they teach you in fairly tale school. You must be a white person who has never experienced institutionalized racism. Almost 200 hundred years after your founding you still had aparthied in almost the entire southern part of your country. During WWII you interned a whole race of American Citizens who suddenly weren't so equal. That was a number of years ago and you're getting better but even in the 21st century you've got a way to go before you can look down your noses at others.

Actually the name came from the name of a local Indian tribe

Semsen: I agree with you that many Arab Jews were ethnically cleansed from some Arab countries or the locals made the Jews uncomfortable to the point they had to leave. I recognize this is also a human tragedy. My point was in post #4 is that most of the Arab Jews went to a country of their dreams which was at least officially created for them. I would strongly support their compensation for their lost property and would be happy to help in this process. My main point is that the Palestinians have not caused this human tragedy, whilst Israel has caused the Palestinian tragedy. I also agree with your other point that most of the Palestinians are Arabs but that does not mean that the Arabs are Palestinians ( Phillip Hitti, the History of the Arabs, Harvard Press). It is neither sufficient nor necessary for a Palestinian to be an Arab (Bertrand Russel, Mathematical Logic). Finally for all doubters and those attacking me personally, G-d bless you all as you are the children of the Lord.

Well said. A simple but beautifully accurate analogy. Have a look at my post (# 29) and let me know what you think.

Jeff, I must admit that I was abit taken aback by being called "ignorant" about the history and current events of Israel and the Palestinians. You are quite mistaken, just as I'm probably mistaken in assuming that you are either a Palestinian yourself, with a vested interest, or someone akin to my daughter's college friends -- all passion and dogma without much historical knowledge. So, I will take it upon myself to enlighten you somewhat. You ARE correct in the assumption that I adhere to the belief that the land of Israel belongs to the descendants of Judah and Benjamin as a God given right. However, since you obviously are not in accord with my religious beliefs, I will put the historical evidence in modern, secular terms. After the Romans demolished Jerusalem and her second temple in 70 AD, most Jews left, but not all. Jerusalem and the land of Israel went from one conqueror to another (Constantine & the Christians, the Muslim Arabs under several caliphs, and the Mongol invaders) until the Ottoman Turks gained control for several centuries. In 1917 they were defeated by the British. Jerusalem was just a little dusty spot on the road. During all this time there was a continuous Jewish presence. In the late 1800's, fully half of the population of Jerusalem was Jewish. In 1922 the League of Nations accepted the Balfour Declaration, giving Great Britain a mandate to oversee the establishment of a national homeland for the Jewish people. Great Britain reneged somewhat here and did not follow through as directed. After WWII and the Hallocaust, Jews came to Israel in large numbers, as they had been promised a homeland back in 1922 by the League of Nations. The land prospered and bloomed once again. When Israel became a nation in 1948, the "Palestinians" left their homes in the belief that the surrounding Arab nations would wipe out the Israelis. DARNED if it didn't happen! Then the same Arab nations refused to take in the people they had convinced to leave Israel. GEE, tough luck! In fact, they intentionally didn't take them in because it meant more agitation for the nation of Israel. The Arabs who had remained in Israel, despite the promised Jewish extermination, became citizens of the Jewish state, with voting rights and at least a semblance of equality. You know, history shows that movement of peoples and nations is a constant. Some of my ancestors were burned at the stake and some were forced to leave England, just for being Quakers. My grandfather lost his very properous farm in Arkansas during the bank failures that proceeded the Great Depression. Another ancestor of mine, a Cherokee Indian, was stripped of his land and brutally forced to march west on the "Trail of Tears". One would think that life isn't fair. Well, life IS fair -- it breaks everyone's heart eventually. Instead of sitting around in the refugee camps moaning and groaning about what happened to "their" homes two generations ago, the Palestinians need to MOVE ON and resettle somewhere else. I'd sure like to go back to live on the Arkansas farm that had been in our family for four generations, but IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN just like it isn't for the Palestinians (at least not without a major bloodbath). GET OVER IT! You think the Palestinians have a corner on the suffering market? End of history lesson.

my thoughts exactly...and like a dog, if it misbehaves it will be punished, like all of americas other b*****s, look at venezuala....

Warren This has been said time and again.You have just uttered what I always think.Especially when we know not only the Indians plus the Chinese are dying to profit from the Israeli knowhow and want to do business with us.Then in comes the threats from the States and we have to abandone the benefits which we'll accrue from these excercises. I said to BM almost the very same thing.What are we a banana republic? Friends is one thing,as someone else said more like "Fiends". And who would want to pursue this state of affairs forever? Good Post S

potobac Does it mean tobaco? Sorry,I was being facetious. To the point of dates age etc. When BM dear man, said that Israel is 2.500 years old he as right up to a point.The fact is it is nearly 5.000 years old.This makes the U.S.A not even an even a properly established continent I suppose.Don't you think so. Cannot carry on,too late.Okay for you people away out there owing to the time zones. Therefore,goodnight to you potobac. S

america is a bully but at least itsa bully on israels behave --do not think israel could afford to be without the USA untill real peace is ahicived

To Concerned American: you forget that the Arabs ethnically cleansed their countries from 1 million Jews who had lived in these countries for 2,500 years. And yes the Palestinians are ARABS.

As long as the USA gives aid to Israel there is no choice but to have to accept it.

In the spirit of Hanukkah I am prepared to call a truce and provided that you leave the "two State" solution and any retreats to the Israelis themselves without any advocacy and treat ALL Jews with the respect that they deserve without any name calling. I am prepared to debate all issues with you in a civilized way without any derogatory name calling or any sarcasm. If you are a Zionist as you say you are that should satisfy you.

My parents escaped to Russia in 1939 from Poland and their parents had houses there. They came back in 1946 to nothing. Key or no key.In 1956 we were uprooted again to Canada. We did not threaten anyone while you moved out to assisst the Arab armies in trying to kill and/or expell the Jews. You got what you deserved. Those that stayed behind in Haifa are still there. If I were you I'd build a miniature house to fit that key because that is as far as you will get. My Relations can trace their history in Poland to the 1500's and I have no intention of returning although I was born there. Your people can trace their history most likely to Syria going back to mid to late 1800's and the Jews were always the sovereign and certainly did not bestow on you any type of citizenship. Stay in the USA and stop squakking. Get your relatives in Judea and Samaria to return to where they do have citizenship, namely Syria and go back to their house there.

BM You mean to say that we will have to toe the line like this.Limiting our exports just to bow down to the U.S? please say it isn't true,and how much longer will Israel have to abide to limitations for heaven's sake. What is Israel a banana republic? You say we are producing much of what we need in Israel,so what's the problem,do we have to ask permission before we export our own made goods.By goods I don't mean little girls dresess you understand,I mean THE BIG ANCHILADAS That's what.I feel very depressed after reading the article and your post. Please inform me if you know more about all these latest,or has it always been like this? What is this are we being treated like litle naughty children.I am ashamed to read and hear about it honestly. Sorry about my moan BM Did I wish You Hagsameach in my previous post cannot remember. Anyway have a good Chanukah S

Hi Jim I did like your quatrain as it was.Not quite a quatrain but still very appropos. Good on you! S

Concerned American(Hrrrmph)! Of what ethnic background I'd like to know very much.And (B.S) thank you. These so-called PALS are just Arab squatters pure and simple you agree or not TOUGH! And yes if I'd like I will mention their true home and country.That is JORDAN You like it not TOUGH again to you mister whoever you may be. Just calling yourself American don't mean a damn thing whatever you say.We can tell a phony when we see one and that is you absolutely.Go and peddle your vision elsewhere we don't need the likes of you here enough with your ilk. S

What are you talking about? I said my grandfather was expelled by Jewish militants from his home in HAIFA, PALESTINE, MAY 1948, and he lived to tell his miserable story. Even if you argue that no country was called "Palestine" at that time (I have a map dating to 1939 that proves you wrong) there still was HAIFA and there was still OUR HOUSE and my ancestors lived in Haifa for centuries and my family has deep roots in that country... If you think that just because I wasnt born there and my grandfather passed away then I'll forget about it then you're wrong. Me and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who are scattered over the world feel the same about Palestine as the Jews did in the pre-zionism era. Thank you Haaretz for giving me the opportunity to voice my opinion. I didnt expect you to publish my story but you proved me wrong. Toda raba.

Suggesting that Israel is a pawn of a country like Puerto Rico is absolutely preposterous. Israel receives aid from the United States in accordance with agreements made between Egypt and the Palestinian Authority. If anything, the aid that Israel does receive should be considered payment if anything. The military technology Israel develops and exports is used worldwide by the world's greatest armies. Without Israeli military technology, the Americans are not the most superior. Additionally, Israel is a country that was founded on its own two feet, thank you very much. American diplomacy until the Six Day War in 1967 was very much hostile to Israel out of concern for its oil interests in the Arab world. Often times America would supply weapons only to Arab countries and refused to supply Israel with anything (hence Israel's alliance with France and America's overtures to Nasser before 1956). There is no reason to suggest that Israel's ideology is "Muslim offensive." It is true that Israel wants to exist as a Jewish democratic state, but Muslims in Israel are accorded the same civil liberties as Jews. They vote, attend university, etc etc. Only under Israeli domain have all the holy cites in Jerusalem been accessible to all three major religions. Muslims are allowed to do whatever they want religiously and Israel has no problem with that. If anything, the Arab countries have taken advantage of the Palestinians and have tried to use them as pawns against Israel. I, like 85% of all other Israelis, want to see a lasting peace between Israel and its neighbors with the creation of a Palestinian state while also wanting to see Israel live on as a Jewish one. While America does have lots of influence over Israel, saying that its like another Puerto Rico is way overdone. Some would say that Israel does whatever American foreign policy dictates. But then again, don't allies usually ahve much in common?

With all that wealth now is your chance to help all th poor in Israel including the settlers or you can use it to pay the Judea and samaria and Israeli Arabs to get out of Dodge and relocate.

You are apparently not a tobacco user. Just on Long Island - That's in New York State - there is the Shinnecock and Poosepatuck nations, both of whom have "reservations," and both of whom do thriving businesses selling untaxed tobacco products to pale faces like me. There are so many other "Indian" reservations in the tri-state area - New York, New Jersey and Connecticut - that it would be tedious to name all of them. You should look them up, and while you're at it, check out the ones that must exist in Missouri, as well. Remember, they were here first and, although not too visible these days, other than when they appear to raid a white devil village or two, they are still around.

Untold millions and millions even billions and untold billions even trillions and untold trillions.

Nathan, This is not a forum about Srebenica! We are talking about Israel here. Got it?

It would be refreshing if people on this board opposing my position first read my posts before responding to them. I have never contended that Israel "appeared from nowhere". There is clearly a long history leading up to the current country. I don't believe I have ever discussed Israel's leaving the conquered territories. I do say that there is bias against gentiles institutional in Israel which would be immediately condemned if the same things were done by gentiles to Jews. I have also said that I do not agree that the history of Jews having been mistreated does not therefore give them the right to mistreat others.

It's not that I doubt the veracity of you being from New York and living near an Indian reservation, but exactly which tribe of Indians live on a reservation in NEW YORK? The closest reservation to New York that I know of is in Oklahoma.

"Peaceman" says that he can't give up his fixation on the house in Haifa that his grandfather vacated in 1948 and hangs onto the key as some sort of talisman. The same tune, harping back to unrequited "wrongs" from many Palestinians. Let me tell "Peaceman" and his ilk that my Grandfather in Latvia lost not only his home, but his father, brother, sister and her 10 year old daughter, who were shot in the woods nearby in 1941. And do you know what? Our family has succeeded in making new lives in other countries, and achieving success in their careers. As long as our Palestinian cousins remain dependent on past wrongs, they will remain mired in the past and not advance one iota.

Was that "Two state " part really germaine. How much are the Arabs paying you for that advertisementand advocacy?

Israel took jews from Arab and european countries.... ...so it follows european and arab countries take Muslims from the jewish country. and evryone will live happily thereafter. after all Balestinians who want to come back to Israel left thinking they were gonna come back after we got slaughtered in '48 That thank G-d did not happen. you paid your money and took your choice (wrong one but nevertheless a choice at the time) pick a choice take the risk it went against their predictions .Sorry can't come back now as you cant have a win win situation. they could have stayed before but did not now its too late.

Can't recall an administration friendlier to Israel than Bush's. While no fan of America's nosey parker, point of the spear (actually guided missile) foreign policy, Israel, as a close friend of the United States, sometimes strays too far off American strategic defense policy reservation. All things considered Israel's done very well in its defense relationship with the United States despite losing some high profile, mega dollar sales the result of administration pressure.

"Most, not all, but most, Americans are pro-Israel - especially those versed in the history of the region." Deborah, you got it exactly backwards. The ignorant Americans like yourself who are completely ignorant and unaware of the history and day to day life of Palestinians in Palestine blindly support Israel. If you read this, please enlighten me as to exactly what historical events dictate that Palestine should be ethnically cleased, and re-settled as Israel. But, if all you can reference are "religious rights," dont bother responding.

I have the same type of relationship described in this article with someone very special to me: my dog. I keep him warm well fed, and safe from any surrounding threats. In return he keeps my home interests safe while I am not there. America keeps Israel warm and secure, like I do with my dog. The difference is my dog is loyal. Message to Israel: STAY LOYAL TO YOUR AMERICAN MASTERS, OR WE MAY TAKE AWAY YOUR TREATS!! And remember, without our treats, there is no Israel.

Israel did not appeared from nowhere. Read historical documents. You are advocating Israel to return so-called occupied territories. If you would not be ignorant to extend your message is showing up, you would understand that Israel was displaced form her territory by those arabs and Turks who are claiming that this territory today is their. Those claims have value similar to one that French could present to Russia re. Moscow.

It does look that you know very little about Indian Reservations in USA. I live near by one of them, and let me tell you that big number of Americans is dreaming to live in there. It is tax free zone with special benefits for residence of reservation: housing, education, social monitory provision etc. So, before posting complete BS, first learn the subject. Hope one day Israel will be really independent and stop serving US interests only.

Thank you for the advice on marraige but I am sure that Israel would much prefer being married to the USA than Canada!

It is probably a function of my history writing textbooks, but one very clear thing about my prose is that I NEVER shout or sling slogans. Please specify exactly which slogans I slung. Alternatively, apologize.

Your brilliance in tracing my ancestry is only exceeded by the cogency of your arguments in favor of zionism. You are right; I am not from Texas. However, two of my four grandparents were of families which had been in what became America since the 1600s. All my known ancestors were from the British Isles. Your deducing from that my Palestinian ancestry is in keeping with the general level of your intelligence.

You are one deluded puppy alright.

You obviously find it easier to sling mud and shout slogans than to back it up.

the sale to China had been previously approved by the US government. What changed was the increased saber rattling by the Chinese government against Taiwan.

I just love your "impossed solutions" The arabs get Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem and free of Jews of course. Israel gets "Auswitz" borders and gets to keep the Arabs and lets not forget the Arabs get to keep the terror organizations intact ready to attack Israel and Israel gets to forfeit any defensive measures like they did in Gaza. Have I missed any appeasing agreements? PS;You missed the most important point--Iran gets to guarrantee this agreement. Poor Deluded Humanist.

Lets just get one thing straight, Israel belongs to the jews! It is our land and every mountain is important to us. Peace with the Palestinians is not possible, we have tried. The more we give the more they want. Don't you get it?? They want us out. They don't wnat peace so don't give me this garbage that it's the Israeli's fault. We're not the ones going and blowing ourselves up just to kill jews. The Palestinians have not made one step towards peace so don't blame us.

"Israel was created on teh premise of being the countrhy of all Jews. Saudi Arabia was not created to absorb the palestinians who are different ethnically, racially and historically. And stop calling the Palestinians the ARABS; they are PALESTINIANS FIRST AND FOREMOST." First of all, before being a 'concerned American', you should first concern yourself with learning some English. America has not yet submitted its application to join the Arab league. Second, though you can speak of Palestinians in todays terms, it is an impossibility of speaking of a Palestinian nation and people before 1964, let alone before 1948. The notion of a separate 'Palestinian people' was alien and anathema to the Arab world before the 'Nakba', and Arabs fought for years against the priniciple of a separate identity called 'Palestine', calling it a Zionist creation. It was the Arab world that accused Israel of interfering with Arab unity, now they accuse Israel of advocating Arab unity at the expense of a unique Palestinian identity. Make up your minds.

Yes its all true we control everything, as written in the Talmud the World Zionist Talmudic conspiracy has taken over your country and sends subliminal control messages through our Jew agents who run Hollywood.We actually probably own the property you live on, are secret shareholders of the company you work for, and of course do you think it is any mistake that the past chairmen of the federal reserve are Jews? Coincidence?mmmmm...what do you think Democracy?

Stop appeasing and I will Chill Out. I will not acquaiesce to you trying to create another Masada for your pleasure and your deluded Humanist friends. I did not realize that will not wash with me. If there is anyone who need Chilling out is you. Your appeasing shrillness gives me an earache.

"I assume you are not being facetious. All Israel needs are gambling casinos to add to the already rife social and criminal problems that already exist to an astonishing degree." Thank you for your interest in Israel's problems Daoud. I'm sure the issue of poverty in Israel is foremost on your mind, especially Jewish poverty....that is, of course, if such a thing exists.

To whom are you refering I never heard of this case.But keep in mind the same way conversion makes a former non Jew "ethnicaly" Jewish it works the other way around to, conversion to another religion makes one "non Jewish".Also their are many non Jews who have immigrated to Israel and are granted either permanent residence status or citizenship.There are some 300000Russians in Israel who are not considered Jewish according to the Jewsih law as well as many Ethiopians of partial Jewsih heritage.The idea behind the law of return is not to keep out the "dreaded Goyim" but rather to facilitate Jewsih immigration in general and to provide immediate protection of a state in cases where Jews are faced with some maniac regime that strips them of their citizenship or in order to grant them immediate access to the country.The Law of return is really "affirmative action" for Jews.There are some issues of Jewsih history that only Israel can address.Dont forget Potobec Israel is a nation that is a work in progress.All states go through their formative periods when there is intense ideological debate and division and the final form of the country has yet to be settled.With all the tumult in Israel since its birth it has taken up alot of time that could have otherwise been spent more productivly.I hope for a two state solution so israel can move on life and finally deal with a whole range of outstanding issues in a comprhensive and rational manner.Regards

You are the most out of control and hysterical person I have known in a while!!!LOL Take it easy gabe1, chill out and enjoy!

Gaza Boy, Thank you, i guess from rewritng things...practice is a great teacher! Keep asking those persistant questions! I think they are right on! Remember, the Palestinians have all the legality in this conflict. Israel has been so busy denying the law it has failed to legalize itself according to UN resolutions 181 & 194. Amazing, but it happens! Cheers! Dutch

Could you explain what you mean. Your diction is very unclear if you are a lawyer. I can't figure out posting #4.

Ezreal, Remember, who brought down the Berlin Wall? It wasn't the big guys at the top. and the same with the American and French Revolutions. While I agree Bush has endorsed Sharon's "new realities on the ground"--I know many who will never accept them-- and they shouldn't! Certainly, not the 60 retired diplomats from the US and the UK who wrote a letter to Bush and Blair condemning their acceptance of them, Certainly, not the UN Security Council and the International Court in the Hague that deemed them illegal under International law. In addition, to all the Human Rights groups and Peace and Justice groups. Thus, no matter how much Bush and Sharon tries to whitewash International law --fair minded will never accept this. It's unlawful. Dutch

what is a righteous man like you doing willfully ignoring all the huge horrors of this world we live in and putting all your effort into criticising israel? today is the anniversary of the srebenicia massacre where 8000-10000 moslems were massacred by serbs.the dutch troops guarding(?)them ran away.did you ever protest? did you protest dharfur?did you protest the american obliteration of faluja? no? then we are entitled to ask why ever not? is it only the jews who bother you?

You don't have a clue!

dear mr.vickery go to any casino in the uk and see the arabs gamble drink and pick up the girls and or the boys you think you know and show you dont bm

you are obviously obtuse.i made it clear that he can say whatever he needs to say. since "concerned american" chose a pen-name that denotes neutrality and "concern" he should have told us he is palestinian.in this debate nationality is of the essence. in short he is not an american cowboy from texas with a concern for his fellow man.he is a palestinian with a direct concern in the conflict."concerned american" is misleading and fraudulent.more appropriate is "concerned palestinian american".

Mr. Vickery; As a matter of fact, the government of Israel has stated that any Jew anywhere in the world is in fact an Israeli citizen. Therefore, it is their country to comment about. Being a Jew hating Canadian doesn't keep you from talking about Israel.

Some Israelis and Americans would like the rest of the world not to know how much of USA's policy towards the Arab world is influenced by the AIPAC, the New Conservatives and the Evangelical Christians. There has never been in American history a president so aquiescent to the agressive behaviour of Israel towards its Arab neighbours. One of reasons his father lost 1992 election was because he put pressure on Shamir government. There is quite a symbiosis between Sharon and George Bush. Remember when Bush called Sharon a man of peace? Ariel Sharon has the Green Light from USA to put the Palestinians in Reserves like USA did with their Aboriginal Indians. Regarding the Bush-Sharon relationship I agree more with Uri Avnery. Mr. Oren's assessment is totally misleading and laughable. Penny

Where did you learn to speak a very good English language? just a simple question.

You are so ignorant of your co-religionist. The biggest gamblers and consumers of alcohol in Las Vegas are the saudis and gulf state sheiks. I personally saw the Kuwaiti FM lose over a million dollars in less than 10 minutes while consuming at least 6 drinks . This was in the early days of the Invasion of Kuwait.

18:12 Bush to Sharon: I need you healthy, start exercising and working less (Haaretz) Well I think this just in from Ha'aretz New Flash adds to the discussion. Bush wants Sharon and not Bibi or Peretz. But in any case Israel is a tool in service of the American imperialist agenda.

we want our freedom. Stop getting our people killed. Why doesn's isreal see that what it is doing to america is wrong?

Below is a link to a story about that Muslim proscription against gambling you pointed out that the "faithful" follow so religiously. PS: Just for the record, my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek in my original post. As they say, "Lighten up, dude." http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0717/p01s03-wome.html

The question is not from where he was "so called expelled". The question should be asked if he still has the key to the house that he left in Syria. That house is most likely still standing and is occupied by his kin why do you not want to join them?

If you are going to make a comment make sure it is an intelligent one. After reading the Arab Apologist posts( Of which you are one) any sane person would need an aspirin or something stronger. Time to join the kindergarten class ya kalb.

My grandfather was expelled from his home in Haifa 1948, but he kept the key to that home safe with him hoping to come back one day. Unfortunately he couldnt. He passed the key to my father who is evermore passionate about the day he uses that key and takes us to our home... Even if he cant, he will pass the key to me and that key will be in the chambers of my heart and a heavy responsibility until the day we GO BACK TO OUR HOME... TAKE OUR RIGHTS BACK. You will never deny people their undisputed right of return to their homes.. their properties.. their rights. If you do, the fight will continue on and peace will be evermore far away from reach.

I assume you are not being facetious. All Israel needs are gambling casinos to add to the already rife social and criminal problems that already exist to an astonishing degree. As for Israel getting rich off the gambling losses of "oil-rich Arab sheiks" forget that idea. Most Arabs are Muslims and their religion renders gambling taboo, along with the consumption of alcohol. You should already know that much.

"But today, there settlements might as well be in no man`s land as no one I know wants to be associated with their ilegality anymore." how many people do you know that matter? 1 million or 1 billion - more? bm

In each relationship you are both friend and foe depending on the circumstance. The bottom line comes to MUTUAL RESPECT.

To my fellow American, You are sooo correct. I shake your hand.

"Blaming others is what many Israelis do best". Would you mind if I substituted arab for Israel in the first line as it seems a better fit? You know what I mean. "its the occupation stupid"! It turns us into suicide bombers, it makes us bitter and twisted. Yada yada yada. Oh yes the settlements.Maale Adumim,Ariel and the major settlement blocks are for keeps Dutch. So why this? "But today, there settlements might as well be in no man`s land as no one I know wants to be associated with their ilegality anymore". You dont know the right people. The argument on the settlements is all but won. Not only the US but most of western europe has accepted de facto the long term future of the major settlement blocks. They are as much a fact on the ground as the arabs in E Jerusalem. I'm also praying for the success of Sarkozy in France in their presidential elections 2007 and then France will be added to Israels growing list of supporters.( Merkel and Blair already in the fan club ). So when all said and done I dont think you are talking to the people that matter. The issues will be more clear cut when the wall is finished and the rough border will be discernable. Jerusalem will be a stumbling block, but some compromise on the palestinians side will speed things up. some compensation for the refugees, both Jew And Arab, which will cancel out more than likely.Demilitirised Palestinian state of course. Theres enough to worry about with all those Syrian and Iranian missiles. Then theres you Dutch. What on Earth will you do to while your hours away. Wouldnt you secretly rather preserve your heroine of the downtrodden status, better without a settlement eh? No matter, theres still the Tibetans and Black Sudanese to sort out. Plenty of work, and so little time!

Salaam Gabe, take two aspirin and go to bed. Tomorrow is be better

ATLAS: "The marraige between the USA and Israel has lasted since 1948 and is still going strong. Both countries have been very loyal to one another which is important in any marraige whether political or personal. Good partnerships strengthen with the years." Longstanding marriages are known to end suddenly from long pent-up discontent. Israel will soon learn the reality of its relationship with the U.S. should Bibi Netanyahu get elected in March.

Israel has always been a liability to U.S. both politically and financially. Israelis should get on their knees and thank the Jews of the Diaspora. It is American Jewry that kept the arms and money flowing. No matter what lies are printed, it is well known that America has always had a bias in favor of Israel. We have financed Israel's expansion to the tune of over $200,000,000,000. Wow, that's a lot of money for 6 million Jews. Do the math. Every Israeli should be well off. Poverty should be non-exitant. Where did this fortune disappear to? No wonder Palestinians and Arabs hate us. We haven't been fair. Our policies exclude Justice, Human Rights... Only the lip service remains.

Your comments about conversion make a lot of sense. However, how about the hero of the Jewish resistance against the Nazis with impeccable Jewish heritage who was refused citizenship on the basis of his religion? Doesn't this invalidate your point about having the right to come to Israel because of ones "roots"?

I am appalled and disgusted by appeasing and deluded Jews like you who think of nothing else but how to create another Masada in our time. Jews throughout history have tried to sell their souls for other nations and world acceptance only to accelerate the killing of Jews and terminating with the Holocaust. But this has not taught the ?Humanist? ?Leftist ? self hating Jews any lessons. Now you want to go back in history to recreate these dark periods by trying to prevent the IDF from doing its job and trying to tell the world that you are ?evenhanded? while these terrible Israelis are being intransigent by trying to defend their National rights (like all other Nations) and will not allow all terror groups to flourish. You want to be a Humanist do so for the Gypsies, the Kurds, the Indians and many other dispossessed groups who are being killed on a daily basis and stay away from Israel. The solution lies not in appeasement or in carving up Israel but in defeating the Islamo fascist ideology and returning all the native Egyptians, Syrians to their countries of origin otherwise there will never be peace. You fight fire with fire not with appeasement. The Jews have been dying for thousands of years to return to their Homeland and to Jerusalem. You want Israel and the Jews to assimilate and to that end are haters of both the settlers and the religious. If you want to assimilate that is your right and not be part of the Jewish nation thats fine by me but please leave the Nationalist Patriotic Jews to live in peace and without admonitions from idiocentric deluded humanists like you. AM ISRAEL HI.

"Ralph Nader said it best "The puppeteer from israel visits the pres. in the white house then he meets 500 other puppets in the congress and senate" Ralph Nader, now there's a reliable source: an Arab with axe to grind against Israel. Maybe the pupeteer also paid all those people who didn't vote for him in the last US election

So, by your reasoning anyone who is an American citizen, but who may be of Palestinian or Arab ancestry has no right to give an opinion as an American observer. Would you care to comment on all the Jewish posters from all over the world who write as though they themselves were Israelis? As if they somehow have a right to speak of Israel as their country?

Dear Rose, its never that simple especially when it comes to sums like the ones we talk about. If the USA werent making profits there simply wouldnt be this kind of "Investment" flowing into israel. If your goverment sells to Israel one plane they'll sell hundreds all over the world because WE use/handle them under real war conditions better the any other country (friends)

As opposed to other "friends" of the US, Sharon and his government share a unique understanding of the critical nature of the War on Radical Islam and the deadly danger of terrorists and their supporters. Sharon and Bush also share in being recipients of criticism and hatred of the left bringing them closer together in the fight. On 9-11 we learned what Israel faces every day and thank God our president and Sharon responded without fear or worry about the critics. The US does pressure Israel from time to time but this administration and Israel are definitely on the same page on most of the big issues..Friends can disagree and continue to be friends.

Ralph Nader said it best "The puppeteer from israel visits the pres. in the white house then he meets 500 other puppets in the congress and senate" Case closed, end of argument. Stop Lying its becomng too much, do you differentiate between truth and lies.

Hello Tulip, I agree that it was not good PR for some Gazans to celebrate Sharon's stroke. (you don't know them, so don't blame them) I hope all Palestinians will think long and hard before they support any attacks on Israel in the critical months to come. If Netanyahu were to become the next PM of Israel death and ethnic cleansing will be the fate of the Palestinians, and Israel's reputation will be even more in the toilet. Let's hope that by some miracle the Israeli masses finally start to use their heads and elect Peretz. Labor is the only chance for Israel to become a normal country in the eyes of the world.

" Please stop the game of blaming every body else but your self" Dear Concerned, Blaming others is what many Israelis do best. God forbid they should take some personal responsibility for the problems them create every day in the Palestinian territories. Indeed, they are the people that didn't exist before 1947 and had no country or language or culture. My advise is always to reflect things back for Israelis and expect outright denial--because that's how many are. But their gig is up as they are now stand up material for some commics and many in cyberspace. Indeed,it is they who have missed an opportubity to miss an opportunity to make peace with the Palestinians because it means giving up land and evacuating the settlements. But today, there settlements might as well be in no man's land as no one I know wants to be associated with their ilegality anymore. Thus their days are numbered --as they should be. Dutch

You asked a queation a few days ago about converts to Judaism.I replied but it was not posted.However your statement that nybody naturalised yesterday is as much american as you despite your deep roots in the america is the same formula converts have applied in Judaism.A convert is a "naturalised"Jew and as such subject to the same rights and responsabilites as any other Jew.Conversion is the immigration process into the Jewish people.If people who have no connection to America can become fully american with rights to inhabit that land then surely the Jews with deep connections to the Land of israel have the right to reside in at least part of our ancestral homeland.Remeber according to the Indians you are all interlopers and settlers.At least the Jews have a real along connection to the Land of Israel.

Kol Ha Kavod. With each passing week you are getting to see more and more of the Arab mentality and coming ever closer to what I have been saying all along. You cannot trust the Arabs and any retreat will be treated with contempt. You only have to see the example of Gaza. I have no problem with autonomy (self government) in the major cities and associate status with Israel.

Many Native American tribes have transformed their reservations into gambling meccas. Perhaps this is the way Israel should go, as well. Aside from the casino in Jericho, controlled by the Palestinians, there are no other gambling venues available to Israelis. And, although there has been talk about opening a casino in the Princess Hotel in Eliat, conservative opposition to it has been a major stumbling block. Just imagine what the revenues from an Israel replete with gambling could do for its war-strapped economy? Who knows, perhaps making itself the gaming mecca of the Middle East could eventually lead to peace there. What sweet revenge it would be if Israel could empty the heavy pockets of all of those oil-rich Arab sheiks in a legal and civilized way.

Yes, David, there are many, many Americans who are aware of the struggle to come between Islam and Judiasm/Christianity. But the secular elements promote the idea that it's not "politically correct" to speak disfavorably of any religion, unless, of course, it's Judiasm or Christianity. Then, it's OK. Hence, this struggle-to-come is the white elephant in the living room which many pretend to not see - but, they all know it's there. I, too, pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the world

Typical Zionist dishonesty. Names are one thing and countries are another. There was no USA until 1776, and no state of Israel until 1948. The religion practiced there in ancient history is irrelevant to the date of the state of Israel coming into existence. I understand this is asking a lot, but as an experiment why not try honest arguments?

International powers have been involved in this conflict from day one.As long as this conflict goes on the many vested international intrests are forced to keep up a high level of involvement lest the regional players go total scitso and blow up the world.A two state solution will lead to an a reduction of American and international involvement in regional affairs,as most of it is directed at conatining conflict.Also the USand the EU are major financial contributors to all parties concerned, to expect them to put up billions and then just shut up is myopic to say the least.As long as this conflict continues interfering with huge intrests around the world those intrests are going to interfere with the conflict.It is also clear to me that without heavy pressure from the EU and the US that any resolution of this conflict will become impossible and will drag on for who knows how long into some pointless loser war of attrition all designed to avoid the enivitable end game which is a Palestinian state on some85-95% of the west bank with territorial exchange and some sharing arrangment over Jerusalem.I hope that the EU and the US will start applying heavy pressure on both to take the primary steps envisioned in the road map as a way to forstall total disfunction.It is the onlyway. What Sharon and Hamas have to talk about I really dont know, and another roundof fighting will be to no avail.Given the alternatives some "dictates" are in order, the parties need to be saved from their own folly as they are too lost in their self defeating trips.

he has always spoken of israel in a spirit of friendship.israel will not forget him.

aviem sela was one of the pilots who shot down the soviet piloted migs flying over suez in august 1970.he was also involved in the planning of the strike on the nuclear reactor in baghdad. he would have been a great chief of the air force.

as far as i can make out the name of america is about 300 years old - correct me as far as i can make out the name israel and the land and the jewish connection to it is some 2500 years old - dont forget the language (older than english)the money and finally the religion all have their roots here in israel bm thanks for the history lesson

America is in a position as a superpower to take orders from no one. When Israel assumes similar position it too can be fully independent. Until that time comes, however, Israel must march in step with its allies unless it wants to go it all alone. The consequences Israel must be prepared to live with. A superpower is not only measured by military might but by viable infrastructure, physical and spiritual for its society.

You basically got it right, except that Israel is given a lot more slack and has a lot more clout in Congress than Puerto Rico! This relationship is defined by common interests, and will remain in place as long as it is needed (like the Turkey - Israel relationship). At present this looks unlikely to change ...however, IR is unpredictable and things can flip over night. Remember, until the 1960's France was Israels biggest arms supplier! Now it is treated with disdain by many on the Israeli Right...part of Eurabia, wherever that is!"

As usual you have gone into the realms of fantasy. The third Egyptian army was surrounded by the Israel defence Forces,when asked not to attack,she gave the Egyptians the possability to leave unscathed. So I say keep your propaganda for your own.

Most, not all, but most, Americans are pro-Israel - especially those versed in the history of the region. Unfortunately, our government has been seduced into the "appeasement" mode of trying to please everyone concerning the Palestinians, and, therefore, pleases no one. After seeing and hearing the reaction of the Palestinians immediately following the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, it was very apparent that the Palestinians want it ALL. They want ALL of Jerusalem and ALL of Israel and they will now be using Gaza as a jumping board. How can the world be so blind? My humble advice to the Israelis is to not give up another inch of land, ever. Don't listen to the U.S.A. when your very existance is at stake. You were never more admired than during the 3-Day war of 1967 - I remember it well. Do what you need to do to keep your land and people secure. I may be wrong, but I believe the U.S. will follow your lead in showing some backbone.

G-d Bless our American cousins. And, YES, MR. PRESIDENT is good enough for me!

...good relationships strengthen over time (i paraphrase)... ........and bad ones turn sour. a country with a track record of betrayal and gross ineptitude like the USA is not a desirable longterm bedfellow and 50-60 years is nothing in historical terms. now let us leave it.

lola: "this thread is about israels relationship with the usa and we are offtopic. the usa romance with israel is a marriage of convenience and when israel is no longer of use it will be dropped" ATLAS: The marraige between the USA and Israel has lasted since 1948 and is still going strong. Both countries have been very loyal to one another which is important in any marraige whether political or personal. Good partnerships strengthen with the years.

Mr. El-Birawi, your a good example of someone living in a dreamworld. Reality should be accepted not ignored. Because problems can only be solved in Reality.

east timor was not so long ago. the us's assistance to us was minimal. australias incvolvement was an lot less altruistic than you imply. australia has pine gap. we were the safest country in the world and now we are in the front line in the event of nuclear war. that i call sold to the devil. iran has no interest in australia. irans behaviour regarding israel is demented but the behaviousr of the usa with regard to the middle east is far worse. however this thread is about israels relationship with the usa and we are offtopic. the usa romance with israel is a marriage of convenience and when israel is no longer of use it will be dropped, IMO. we have pine gap so i guess the relationship will last. sadly.

When israel began to sell missiles to China the israel USA relationships have changed from good to bad. With new dictates, new rules and order. And even more pressure on israel to wathdraw from the PA area.

I don't happen to believe my ancestry has anything to do with my belief in what is right; I would hope I am honest regardless. However, since you want to make an issue of my ancestry, my father's parents both came from families that came to America in the 1600s to escape religious persecution; my mothers's parents came from Northern Ireland in the mid1800s.

I HAVE made up my mind. If you don't like accepting reality in international relations, that's YOUR problem.

Dear Concerned American: Under what rock have you been living? Let's be clear about one thing, it's not the Arab world that Israel cannot make peace with, it's Islam. The foundation of Islam is predatory and it will not stop till all 'it's lands' are free of the Zionist curse. And let's be clear about another thing, the Arab states are the cause of the Palestinian problem, not Israel. I was living in Egypt from '59 to '67 and know first hand of the Arab design to force the Palestinian to swelter in refugee camps in Gaza, Lebanon and Jordan as a political whip to lash Israelis with ever since. And it was these same leaders who told the Palestinians to move out of Palestine so their armies could come in and swipe the Jews into the sea. In my humble opinion there can be no peace, only disengagement, and that won't work convincingly till Islam changes. Israelis know this but don't talk so openly about the religious conflict. You Americans have no idea what struggle is coming between Islam and the Judeo/Christian world. No idea. Europe has already fallen. David, praying for the peace of Jerusalem.

Potobac is the original name of a village in Maryland where my ancestors went in the 17th century to escape religious persecution. That, however, is irrelevant because anybody who was naturalized yesterday is just as American as I.

It appears that my last response to you was censored so I shall try again. Here are some facts. 1."We were the safest country in the world and had no enemies anywhere, not so long ago." False. In 1999 we intervened to help set East Timor free and thus gained enemies. 2. "give me a little detail about what we gained from being sold to the devil?" It is obvious that the 'devil' is in Tehran and not Washington. It is the Iranian leader who is threatening Israel's existance. 3. "are you perhaps suggesting that israel and the USA are inextricably linked?" There is certainly linkage when one speaks of an ally who is a proven loyal friend.

Face it. Israel is paid by the USA to remain a loyal, wholly dependent, American client state in an unstable, but crucially important, region. Israel is a well-paid tool...a bankrolled fall-man for unpleasant policy necessities. Particularly since the abandonment of the gold standard, America's entire economic foundation rests on its access to massive MidEastern energy reserves. Since Americas own reserves peaked 30 yrs ago, the Middle East has become the most important region for the energy stability (and thus stability, period.) of the American/world economies. Israel is a convenient ally-pawn-massive-military-base to have in the otherwise unstable, often hostile, neighbourhood. Moreover, Israel's location and Muslim-offensive ideology means it can take the fall for things like Osirak, Arab underdevelopment, and other unpleasant American foreign policy imperatives in the region. None of this is likely to change any time soon. I'd like some feedback. Please, challenge me with an intelligent argument.

Iola, you are incorrect in your assessment that we were the safest country. That went by the boards with the East Timor crisis in 1999. The devil resides in Tehran, not Washington. Be thankful that my sons help to protect our great country and your son from Islamofascist terrorist activity. FACT 1. Terrorist threats are very real here in Melbourne and the rest of Australia as reported in our media even today. FACT 2. Iran has threatened to wipe Israel from the map. That sounds like a nuclear threat which could affect all of us. FACT 3. Do not forget the slaughter of innocent Australians in Bali by Islamist terrorists. FACT 4. What other country besides the USA has the military strength to ensure our security? FACT 5. Look at the UN votes and you will see that the USA, Australia and Israel are linked as none of them are prepared to cave into appeasement. There are your facts.

Israel like an Indian reservation? The only relevant comparsion to Native Americans are Palestinians, lied and cheated out of their land, forcibly marched onto reservations, their warriors and braves killed off by the settlers and the army, villified as terrorists and savages, villages destroyed. You Zionists should find a more appropriate analogy because this one is sick.

atlas you worry me. when was it a choice between the USA and Iran? why do you imply that i think we should not stand by israel? are you perhaps suggesting that israel and the USA are inextricably linked?

atlas tell me about the benefits of outr alliance with the US? We were the safest country in the world and had no enemies anywhere, not so long ago. give me a little detail about what we gained from being sold to the devil? my son isnt s soldier and let me assure you i am as proud of him as you are of your sons. give us a few facts, atlas - your sons could be called to give their all for halliburton. hmmmn?

"dear atlas, im australian and i disagree. friends like that we do not need." Hi Iola, As the proud father of two sons in the Australian Defence Forces I am aware of how valuable the American alliance is. Who would you prefer? Iran? We must also be aware that the Muslim world hates us for our intervention in East Timor. We should be proud of our part in helping that ravaged nation to independence. The USA provided invaluable intelligence to us for that. Israel has proven itself our friend as well and we must support our true friends. Cheers, ATLAS

although potobac's posts are loathsome he does not seek to mislead.he maybe connected to the middle east or he may be a hater like dutch and andy murray.

Make up your minds.

describing yourself as "american" is to knowingly put on the garb of a neutral in this debate.but he is obviously a palestinian.so he is fraudulent as are those who defend him.

i have noted your anti-israel mail couched in liberal prose.but i know you for what you are.so i expect nothing.potobac is nothing but an idiotic name.so you do not intentionally mislead. yet someone who insists on his american nationality misleads when he does not inform us of his origins in a debate where nationality is the crux of the matter. if you insist otherwise then i must insist that you are share the dishonesty of "concerned american"

I reiterate what I have been saying for months. Israel needs to stop being America's pawn. China and India are absolutely desperate to get involved and support Israel on a much larger scale including building significant trade aggreements however America keeps dictating to Israel. Israel needs to effectively stop dealing with the dumbest country on earth run by the dumbest man on earth adn break free of the shackles. God help Israel if they continue aligning themselves with the United States

Anyone could have said until 1776 that there was a country called the United States. Anyone could have said until 1948 that there was no country called Israel. Countries come into existence.

Any one who follows US policy in the Middle East know well that dictates come from Tel-Aviv and not Washington. US politicians running for office, first they campain in Tel-Aviv and then in their districts in the US. Any politicians or official who dare to challenge Israel on any thing, will be chased out of town in no time. One has to read the recently published story of Ambassador John Gunther Dean who was forced to resign as Ambassador( Jewish )to India because he suspected Israel in the murder of Gen. Ziaa AlHaq of Pakistan. Recent documents released shows that Kissinger approved and succumbed to Israeli request for offensive against Egypt even after cease fire was signed. The entire State Department Arabist where forced to resign and take early retirement because Israel and Kissinger want to see see Zionists in the State Department, and the story goes on and on.

Look for decades Israel has accepted billions of American dollars. It is only fair that America expects something called loyalty in return. If you do not want to act accordingly pretty simple cancel the money and go your own way

We don't make the distinction between Palestinian Americans and Jewish Americans; they are all equal. An American of Palestinian extraction is just as free to raise issues of interest to Israeli gentiles as a Jewish American is free to raise issues on interest to Israeli Jews.

I see that Conserned American and others are still so naieve to believe will stick to a possible peace agreement with Israel. Al Hazar has made it very clear, the soil belongs to Allah and not to the Israeli's, also not the 1967 borders. Once there is an agreement after 10 years Hamas et al will try to control Haifa, Tel Aviv etcetra. Hamas and all the others militants first have to be dismantled. By the way, all the people who cheered for Sharon's sudden stroke: I would be quiet if I were you, because if Bibi will win the elections, and surely he will if some more suicide attacks will follow, it will be the end of Palestine.

If I were Isreal I would prefer to stay a slave of the USA rather than to grant wishes of Arab extremists.

there never was a country or a state ever called palestine - so the title arab is precise - unless you can prove there was ever a country called "palestine" The arabs certainly did practice various methods of total discrimination against the jews - what was a dhimini i personally know of iraqi jews evicted from their land going back over 40 nearly 50 years ago who gives a damn about the hammas - what they would accept - who are you to ever tell israel what we can or cannot do and who we cannot or can talk to the refugees rot (rot) in 21 refugee camps in the w/b and gaza and have done under king arafat and now king abbas - the refugees across the arab mid east rot as well and will continue to rot so long as the arabs try to use them as a pawn they will never return to israel not even a dozen get used to it what history can you provide about "Saudia arabia" or the "palestinians" there is no difference and never was - absolute bs wow - are you off track - your trolley needs an overhaul BM

In the best of circumstances it is not the easiest thing to be the junior partner in an alliance where the differences in relative power of the partners is so great. For confirmation of this one might ask the Canadians or the Mexicans what it feels like to share a peaceful border with the USA. Sharon, I think, has recognized the reality of the situation and has shaped his foreign policy accordingly. In this way he has extracted the maximum support that Israel can get under the circumstances. What the author of the article does not mention is that Israel's and Sharon's relations with more than one American administration has been given a rather huge boost by the actions of Arafat and abu Mazen as well as the various Islamist groups who have chosen to make the USA their prime target and enemy.

those who hate the state will forever taunt us about american grants taking these funds does israel great economic harm and subjects us to american will.there truly is no free lunch.we should stop taking money from america.

dear atlas, im australian and i disagree. friends like that we do not need.

No, I don't mean the coming contest between Sharon(or Ehud Olmert?) and Netaniyahu in March 2006. What I fear is that the US State Department under the leadership of Condi Rice will now attempt to do its damnedest to discredit Netaniyahu in the eyes of the Israeli public(and internationally) to ensure that ?their? candidate wins the general election in Israel. And Condi's Israeli collaborators are those Jews(or are they?) who are helping the US government to feed Israel to the Arabs piece by piece calling that ?the peace process.? I hope that Netaniyahu and his followers are aware of that danger and will be smart enough to deflect any attempts, from whatever side, to pevent the true Likud from sweeping the bankrupt and treacherous ?coalition? from their seats of power.

he does not tell us the complete story.he seeks to impress on us his nationality but that is incomplete.he is palestinian or of middle eastern origin.we can only make up our minds as to the content of his posts when he describes himself as "concerned palestinian american"

70% of all israeli arms are now produced here in israel and are not under direction of washington - the clashes occur when both the usa and israel are chasing clients who the americans see as strategic assets - the koreans are an excellent example with the total dominance of the world arms market the usa will dictate to "friends" what they can and cannot do - sharon & the defence establishment are very aware of the limits they can go bm

go ahead & ignore them. you will still get their money. trust me. - jim p.s. the Indians are WHO? the reservations are WHERE?

This is the natural consequences of alienating the whole world by acting as a little colonial power in the Middle East. Israel has never been so dependent on a single country for survival as it is now. The Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world pose no security threat to nuclear Israel. Yet Israel is continuously missing opportunity after opportunity to achieve a permanenet peace with the Palestinian people. On the table, the Arab inititiave of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia ( the Beirut Declaration, the Geneva initiative, the road map, etc. The Palestinians, including Hamas (stop the BS), are ready for a historic compromise since 1988 ( Algeria Declaration), where they have accepted to establish their state on only 22% of historic Palestine (and please don't insult my intelligence by including Jordan in the discussion). The refugees problem can be also resolved with an Israeli good will which the PA and Hamas would accept. A symbolic return of few hundred thousands, and a fair compensation of the rest. But above all Israel cannot keep denying its brutal role in creating the refugees problem. Please sstop the game of blaming every body else but your self. The Arabs did not ethnically cleansed the Palestinians from their homeland and thus have no resposibilty of settling them. But hey we settled Jews from Arab countries! this argument does not hold water since the Arabs are not Palestinians, though Palestinians are Arabs. It is just like asking Ecudorians to accept the immigration of one million Peruvian, etc. The main differenc eof course is that those who came from the Arab countries to Israel is fulfilling their Aliah and are very happy to join the state of Israel for economic and religous reasons; Israel was created on teh premise of being the countrhy of all Jews. Saudi Arabia was not created to absorb the palestinians who are different ethnically, racially and historically. And stop calling the Palestinians the ARABS; they are PALESTINIANS FIRST AND FOREMOST.

The United States of America has proven to be a great and true friend to Israel, Australia and the UK. Friends stick together but at the same time are not afraid to air legitimate grievences to one another. Many other countries have been fiends rather than friends because of their desire to destroy rather than create international understanding and acceptance.

If you don't want America's money, ignore what it says.

This will never change exept and only Israel is ACCEPTED AS A COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Only by making peace in accordance with the Saudi / Arab proposal : End the occupation or else keep the master slave relatin with USA.