God rules all in 2012 Israel, even the state
Israel: Not what you thought, not what the world thought, not what Israelis imagine themselves to think. Israeli society isn't secular, it isn't liberal and it isn't enlightened.
By Gideon LevyGod exists. Eighty percent of Israeli Jews can't be wrong. And it is precisely for that reason we must say: God protect us from the results of the poll (conducted by the Israel Democracy Institute's Guttman Center for Surveys and the Avi Chai Foundation ). While it is conceivably possible to deal with that burning, wholesale belief in the divine, what do we do with the "You chose us" part? Seventy percent of respondents said they also believed Jews are the Chosen People - and that frightening parameter is only on the rise.
You have to give it to the pollsters. They let the cat out of the bag. To paraphrase the Haaretz advertising slogan from the 1990s - Israel: Not what you thought. Not what the world thought, not what Israelis imagine themselves to think. Israeli society isn't secular, it isn't liberal and it isn't enlightened. Were they permitted to respond freely, it's doubtful that 80 percent of Iranians would say they believed in God; it's doubtful there is any other free nation on the planet, with the possible exception of the Americans, that would produce the same results. But there surely is no other nation on the planet that is so secure in its arrogant certainty that it was selected from all the other nations and raised above them.
The findings of this powerful poll are the most important key to understanding Israeli society and the conduct of its governments. It is the only prism through which it is possible to comprehend the occupation, the racism, the Haredization and the capitulation to the settlers. In our hearts, we think: This is our destiny. If in any enlightened society settlers and the ultra-Orthodox would be treated as marginal, eccentric, messianic groups, the attitude toward them in Israel comes from a very deep place within the "secular" society. If in any enlightened society the occupation stirs protest and revulsion, the attitude to it here is based in a religious belief that justifies all its iniquities.
The survey proves that we are all "hilltop youth," and that most of us are Sicarii. Expressions of racism toward Arabs and foreigners, Israel's arrogant attitude toward international opinion - these too can be explained by the benighted, primeval belief of the majority of Israelis (70 percent ) that we enjoy complete license because You chose us. Even the religious character of the state, which is much less secular than we tend to think - no buses or El Al flights during Shabbat, no civil marriage, no unkosher hotels, a mezuzah on the doorjamb of nearly every home and a rising number of people who kiss it each time they enter or exit - all this can be explained by the survey data.
There is much less religious coercion than it would appear, much more willing dedication to the caprices of Jewish fundamentalism. From now on, it can no longer be claimed that the secular majority has acquiesced to the religious minority; there is no secular majority, only a negligible minority.
In contrast to most European states today, in Israel "atheist" is a derogatory term that few people even dare to say, much less use to identify themselves. In such a country, it is impossible to speak seriously about secularism. We should admit the truth, which is that we are an almost religious society and a state that is almost based on religious law. There's no need to keep counting the number of people wearing kippot, headscarves or shtreimels. Bareheaded people are in the same camp: They accept the character of their state, where the religion is the state and the state is the religion, all mixed together. There's no need to keep being shocked by religious extremism - being religious, whether moderate or extreme, is all the same, and it's the majority here.
From Jenin to Hebron, we are in the West Bank above all because the majority of Israelis believe that it is not only the land of the patriarchs, but that this fact gives us a patrimonial right to sovereignty, to cruelty, to abuse and to occupation - and to hell with the position of the international community and the principles of international law, because, after all, we were chosen from among all other peoples. From Bnei Brak to Mea She'arim, these Haredim are, to a large extent, us, just with different dress and languages - more extreme versions of the same belief.
Perhaps it was inevitable. A state that arose on a certain territory and conquered another territory and has remained there nearly forever, all on the basis of Bible stories; a population that never decided whether it was a nation or a religion; and a state that purports to be a "Jewish state," even if no one has any idea what that means. All these cannot exist with no foundation - a chosen people that believes in its God. That is Israel, circa 2012. God have mercy on us.
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France, Germany, Danmark, the US, Canada, Japan, . . So much for wanting to be like the rest of the world.
id never thought id say this. But your fundamentalists are worse than ours.
you assign attributes to god, his thoughts, his opinion, his wishes and you make him a person... you did, what you should NEVER do...
The holy Flying Spaghetti Monster appeared to me in a vision and told me I was The Chosen One. You shall now renounce your false Gods and your false religions, kneel in front of me and bow to my awesomeness.
Men invented religion shortly after they invented God...
Yes, its true. Thank GOD
G-d promised in Old Testament, but under condicions: "If you obey!!!" Send prophets to no avail...Zionist "shortcut" to promissed land, disregarding G-ds comandments is insult to to"him". All this ongoing brutal colonization of other peoples land will end up horribly for large part of the World. Temporary succes enjoyed by constant blocking UN rosolutions by US Knesset is well known fact and soon may change...
I get that you mean this in the most sarcastic and negative light possible, but every word is the absolute truth. You know - the Biblical kind?
It is possible to believe in something higher than ourselves, which on can call God, and still be liberal, humanistic and open-minded towards progress. I believe that also in most European countries - and certainly in Iran - 80% would agree with a spiritual world's reality, no matter how they otherwise feel about humanity. One of the most harmful consequences of the Israeli division between "secular and religious" is the fact that the haredim with their conduct create a reacton that totally neglects a line of thought that includes spirituality as well as progress... In Germany it is the non-believers that are the neonazists... The haredim just use God for their ethnis purposes and the concept of chosenness to boost their ego...
I CAN AGREE PARTLY WITH GIDEON LEVY. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. --- AMEN ---
Judaism articulates it. That's the only difference. Israel's problems come from acts, not sentiments.
figure speak for themselves jews aroound 14 million christians around 2 billion muslims around 1.5 billion ALL BASED ON THE PRECEPTS OF JUDAISM
A poll shows 80% of Israeli's believe in God and you try to turn it upside down say the questions are loaded etc. well sorry Gideon the haredi are not the only ones who believe in God, Can't you think of something a little more interesting to write about? Iran, Syria, Turkey. All the things going on in the world right now and you write an article on why a poll on why so many Israelis believe in God is wrong.
Ya, that says it completely.
If you people choose to stew in a vat of hate and self-worship, that's your business. I'm not bailing you out anymore. My advice is to use those passports you've been collecting and go be normal, respectable people with the rest of the human race. By the way, this "Chosen" stuff is getting old. Who rides a single compliment for 3000 years? I regret saying it in the first place. Now I "Choose" you to leave me alone. Put the book away and go watch a movie or something. You're like a creepy guy following a young girl too closely. I just want to turn around sometimes and yell at you "Quit following me!" Enough already.
The arrogance of pretending to speak on God's behalf, or better yet, to speak instead of God. Clearly, the intolerant Ultra-orthodox believe that their word and worldview supplants God's. Levy is right, the trajectory of Israel's future, vis-s-vis the dynamic between believers and non-believers bodes ill.
The 'choseness' of the Jews in the Bible does not imply any kind of aristocracy or superiority of Jews. According to the Bible, Jews are the Chosen People because they were chosen to make the idea of one God known to the world. Jews do not believe that being a member of the Chosen People gives them any special talents or makes them better than anyone else. On the topic of chosenness, the Book of Amos even goes so far as to say: "You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth. That is why I call you to ACCOUNT for all your iniquities" (Amos 3:2). In this way Jews are called to be a “light to the nations” (Isaiah 42:6) by doing good in the world through gemilut hasidim (acts of loving kindness) and tikkun olam (repairing the world). So the 'choseness' actually implies responsibility, not superiority.
I agree with Mickey. Jewish sources are full of the idea that being chosen means that Jews have a greater responsibility for tikkun olam (Jews pray for this at least three times a day). It is appalling that Gideon can write the sentence, "The survey proves that we are all "hilltop youth," and that most of us are Sicarii." Cannot Gideon see shades of gray--is everything black and white?
One can believe in God and make rational decisions, be reasonable in the end with what's right and what's wrong. Is this small sample of 2,803 Israeli Jews polled indicative of the Israeli mindset? That sample is small first of all - it's the number of say four huge ultra- Orthodox weddings! But the survey indicated 46% as identified secular Israelis (almost half); 32% as identified Traditional Israelis (here we call them also Conservative & Reform Jews); and only 22% as Orthodox. The terminology of the " Chosen People " is more utilized by the non-Jewish nations, because I rarely heard amongst us that we are the Chosen People...it's more of Mishpacha (family) or tribe even. Perhaps amongst the Orthodox it's taken literally as " the Chosen People ".
First, the sample size is adequate. In the U.S it is sufficient to predict election outcome. Second, the claim to choseness is clear in the Bible and is clearly spelled out in the Haggadah. Third, although they are only a 'minority', the ultra-orthodox and 'just' religious like Shas yield power out of proportion because of their pivotal role in constructing coalitions. Accept the fact that they are a menace to a normally run western style democracy. If the model you wish is Ayatollahs' run state, then you are in a good place.
Could you mention a single nation that refers to Jews as the chosen people? With the possible exception of Israel I have a hard time seeing any nation using that wording.
it's God