Gaza is the fuel for Muslim world's anti-Israel struggle
The events of the past few days have created two illusions that are dangerous for Israel.
By Haggai Alon Tags: Israel news Gaza Middle East peaceThe events of the past few days have created two illusions. One is that Israel and the United States are equal; the other is that the problem is Jerusalem. These illusions are dangerous for Israel, in that they create a dangerous diplomatic perception and self-image.
The United States is a superpower; it is doubtful whether Israel is even a regional power. And the problem is not Jerusalem, or even the holy places, but Gaza. Finally, it is in Israel's best interest that the Quartet's decision to promote the establishment of a Palestinian state within two years not be implemented unilaterally.
Gaza is Israel's big problem. Because of the political, security and civic failure of the disengagement, the road to a solution of the problem of Gaza runs through Ramallah and Jerusalem. In Ramallah, it is in the hands of one man - Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. But Benjamin Netanyahu's government refuses to accept that fact. So Abbas is preparing a surprise for it in the form of a "no-partner" declaration.
American bayonets will not bring Abbas back to Gaza, and the Israel Defense Forces certainly will not. He will resume ruling in Gaza - just as he proved, to the chagrin of many in the defense establishment, that he could in the West Bank - on the shoulders of the Arab world, and perhaps also of a joint NATO-Arab force. Such a force would first establish itself in the West Bank, after the IDF evacuates that territory, and at the border crossings with Jordan in the Jordan Valley.
In this way, without negotiation and without the need to explain why there are no negotiations, Abbas could dispel the charges that he is a "pet Palestinian" and get around his domestic problem with his prime minister, Salam Fayyad.
Gaza is the fuel for the anti-Israel struggle. It is the symbol of that struggle throughout the Arab and Muslim world, even among those who live in Western countries. And it is up to us to uproot the anti-Israel cells the flourish there. Gaza's hunger is the fuel of the struggle. We must dry up this fuel. It is not a tool for getting Gilad Shalit back, or for toppling Hamas.
Perhaps we acted like a responsible power in Haiti, and we deserve praise for that. But in the Middle East, it would be best for us to simply behave as a responsible country. For its own security, and to protect its own interests, Israel must seek negotiations that will deal with the issues of borders and security as a single unit, with the involvement of a multilateral Arab military force and with major involvement by NATO.
Not so long ago, such a formula would have drawn disparagement from the security establishment and even accusations of "internationalizing" the conflict - that is, forfeiting Israel's security. When senior reserve officers raised the idea of such a force as part of a solution to the problem of Gaza's northern border, both during the serious clashes that preceded the disengagement and thereafter, they received chilly telephone calls from "the establishment." Meanwhile, the American force in Sinai was ignored, as was the high quality of the UN force on the Syrian border, and the fact that while the IDF is not satisfied with UNIFIL's performance in Lebanon in the wake of UN Resolution 1701, no one has come up with a better solution.
The defense establishment is beginning to understand that it is better to redeploy. We need the world, including the Arab world. Several think tanks are thoroughly studying the insertion of a force of this type.
The road to the Arab world will require Israel to treat itself like a country that is not a world power and not one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, but rather a regional or a local power. It was that road that led to Israel's previous victories. We must not give it up. We are getting closer to a situation in which if we do not act, Abbas will invoke his no-partner thesis.
The writer was a political adviser in the Defense Ministry, responsible for the Palestinians' "fabric of life"
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Just wake up and smell the hate. They do not want a Jewish state. Before gaza it was pre 67 borders, 47 borders, lebanon, Tel Aviv, Golan Negev They still will not recognize or accept a Jewish existence. Remember Tom Freidman said pull out of Lebanon take the high road and all will be good, get out of gaza and all will be good. Where does it end?? Pull out of Israel
Josef if you think this Tony is A REAL DANE, then think again. He is one of the many arab/muslims squatting as is the norm nowadays.They are everywhere, and think we are going to be deceived by the MONIKER they use to camouflage it?Fat chance! He had better think again.It shows a mile away where he is coming from.
Resorting to lies to hide the truth is a sign of desperation. Israel was created by the UN in 1948, not Great Britain. The palestinian Mandate was created by the League of Nations after the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWII. And laughably you blame 9/11 on the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Both events occured after 9/11.
I sent you a post yesterday,but had not been published.I remember saying:Nevermind doing "THE MATH" most people cannot even do some SIMPLE arithmetic. Lastly as you pointed out "why" The present state of affairs ARE READY AS A POWDER KEG ready to explode anytime soon.
The biggest mistake by Sharon has been the relinquishing Gaza.And what Israel is now witnessing its aftermath Hamas having taken over,turned the whole ready made structure into a qassam lobing place whereby its people in the main are not only suffering,but are afraid to raise their voice even if they disapprove of the regime they have to live under. Let the moderates decide among them say,enough is enough.
Gaza is not the reason Muslims hate Israel. It's Tel Aviv, Haifa and every piece of sand not controlled by Muslims. Iran, Hamas and Hezbolah have made it perfectly clear. Why does anyone doubt their word?
And if you really want to call the IDF guy crazy, feel free. He wrote the article.
Ask Erdogun what he suggests, then implement it while maintaining Israels security, if and where possible.
Gaza is the fuel for Muslim world's anti-Israel struggle because Israel with it's occupation, land thefts, torture and crimes against the Palestinian people created this situation. No one else is to blame for this but Israel and all those who support Israel's actions and crimes.
...if you cannot refrain from being a state sponsor of terror against other countries in the region and over the Palestinians, Israel deserves no state. Maybe Arizona will take you.
The UN staff *d succeed in keeping Gaza under control and administering it, providing that this staff is made exclusively of the indigenious Scandinavians and Germans. They are uncorrupted people, have no double morality and take their job and duties with utmost seriousness. They also have excellent organizational skills. They also are neutral and would not look through fingers like the Italians and the French in Lebanon, when terrorists arm themselves before their noses and launch rockets at Israel. The Scandinivians and the Germans follow rules religiously, bc they take pride in all their work and therefore are commited and do their best. Israel could trust them 100%:ly; Israel*s ability to TRUST that the UN staff is fully functional and committed to legality and to literally protect both Israel and the Gazans from any violations, is a necessary condition for the UN staff*s presence in Gaza.
The UK created Jordan. UK's actions created the conflict in the ME. UK's actions created PLO. UK's invation of Iraq and Afghanistan created 9/11. Like in the opium war the UK is the mother of 90% of all global conflicts.divide and rull is their motto,Africa,and Asia are paying the price for it today.
The attack on the WTC in 2001 was obviously the result if the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003. Israel's victory in 1967 caused the war of 1948. Hitler was responding to the bombing of Berlin in May 1945 when he invaded Poland in '39.
How dare you judge Israel,we all know the "tolerance" of Danmark about Headscarf, mosques,burial ground for Muslims, discriminations at schools,night life,and more. only When Muslims would have the same rights in Denmark as they have in Israel you will have the right to judge,not a day before.look at the mirror,what about Dansk folke party?
I question the Western "humanists*" humanitarianism: they play "humanists" only when it comes to criticize Israel, but close their eyes from the gross barbaric HR violations by Hamas like public stonings of women, torture, executions without trials etc.. These "humanists" are HYPOCRITS! " Liza who are you trying to kid? As if you care about the rights of Palestinian women? You could care less about the women, the men, the children and the old people of Palestine. 4 Protesters were shot dead by IDF. If you could care less about human rights in general then you can care even less about Palestinian womens rights. You are a BS artist and not a very good one. You dont fool a soul except for the other idiots that think just like you. People like you are actually great for Palestine since you are so transparent in your Faux caring. People realize you are just attempting to deflect. Good job.
Mark: "And the international force may be significant. Many posting responses seem unaware of the realities either with the Lebanese situation or..." Tell us about the reality in Lebanon then. Please enlighten us as to how an international force would bring Israel security based on the experience in Lebanon? Or would you rather dodge with the UN document retreat?
Do you believe what are you posting? Hamas propaganda.
You may well want to cut to the chase and tackle these terrorists in Gaza by eliminating them but the last person who had those kind of simplistic ideas ended up starting WWII.
The trump card is PR: rattle the cage and make known, all over the world, the human rights violations by Hamas in Gaza. Until now Israel has diplomatically kept quiet about them, bc this is Abbas-adm.*s responsibilty to do. But as we see, it doesn*t care the least about the Gazans. Therefore it is our moral obligation to reveal Hamas for what it is and make its cruelty known all over the world, as we are commanded by our religion: "do not stand idle and quiet at our fellowmen*s blood". I question the Western "humanists*" humanitarianism: they play "humanists" only when it comes to criticize Israel, but close their eyes from the gross barbaric HR violations by Hamas like public stonings of women, torture, executions without trials etc.. These "humanists" are HYPOCRITS! Israel, once the horrors of Hamas terror-rule over the Gazans is revealed, the entire world *ll feel appalled and pressure *ll be put on the leaders of the world to free Gaza from Hamas tyranny.
to attack the West on 9/11 Israel's actions created hezbollah Israel's actions created Hamas. Jordan and Egypt are paid not to attack Israel. The simple truth is the images from Gaza during Cast Lead are used by the happy jihadis to get young moslem men and increasingly women to do unspeakable things in the name of Islam. Israel's actions according to General Patreaus are causing American blood to be spilt throughout the middle east, the fact of the matter is Israel is at a crossroads. Unfortubnately Israel's politicians do not have the calibre or backbone to ensure the longterm survival of Israel. And I do not mean the existence of Israel as a state. But that Israel will be seen by Jews as their natural home. Already a disconnect is occuring between American Jews and Israel. This split will only get wider. I mean the existence of Israel as a Jewish State.
Hamas just wants Palestinian land back. Israel is still grabbing more land outside of Israel. Hamas position is justified. Israel?s position is driven by greed and arrogance. Enough is Enough!
The imprisonment and devastation of Gaza, the destruction of its economy, more than 1000`s dead, illegal use of weapons, illegal settlements, and now Israel?s infernal wall that scars the land; a prison wall that Israel is building around itself with its own people both as prisoners & prison guards. Israel is destroying itself politically & morally from within.
Why were only 8000 Settlers living in Gush Katif until the Disengagement in Aug. 2005. on 15% of the Land in Gaza ? Because this sort of Land does not support any more Residents per sq/mile. Let's calculate together; 15% of 100%, 6.3 x 8000 = 50,400 who could live like Kings (according to comments of the Israeli left about the settlers lifestyle). Now multiply the number of Citizens by 30 and you reach the current population of Gaza. Now don't forget to divide the quality of live also by 30. Here you go. This piece of Land will NEVER support +1.5 million Residents. This Place is and will always be a time bomb.
please...how naive, remove gaze and it will be something else to attack us over, they will always find a reason to hate israel and they will always find a reason to not make peace and they will alway find a reason to continue their struggle to destroy israel. because the real problem is that the arab world has not come to term with a jewish israel existing at all.
I did not write the resolution. These 4 bozos, along with the French wrote it. The purpose, as they stated, was not to do anything for Israel, but to assist the Lebanese Army. Nothing more. That is what the original English and French versions say. Olmert and Livni and Peretz were all perfectly peachy with the concept. All the other stuff is part of the GOI, non-official spin version that nobody at the UNSC saw or voted on. You and Dan need to take up any concerns with the authors and spinners.
Mark, You are getting lost in the document. How about looking at the results, the actions on the ground? Unifil forces are sitting around providing cover as Syria and Iran arm Hezbollah to the teeth. Here is a small passage from an Israeli source: the Lebanese army and UNIFIL have not enforced its essential provisions . Basically, south Lebanon has not become a demilitarized zone free of terrorist organizations and their weapons, Hezbollah as an organization was not disarmed, the process of rehabilitating its military strength continues, and an effective embargo on smuggling arms from Syria to Lebanon has not been imposed. This is so glaringly obvious. There are severe limits to an international force, especially one that protects Jewish lives. Jews must do this for themselves. It is their challenge, their lesson from their history.
I agree there are plenty of moderates hiding in the perimeter facing serious ccnsequences should they attempt to usurp the current leadership. When people are routinely harassed into submission it becomes their rote behaviour. We might all benefit by promoting and facilitating a way for these moderates to beoome the majority voice.
If you were attempting to show the weakness in an opposing argument, you failed with just a bunch of babble that offends the ears. Your success however, was glaringly evident in your contempt for Jews, but that too is just a bunch of babble that offends the ears.
If Gaza is the problem, give it to the Palestinians. Oh, they did that? Then give it back again.
What was the fuel for 9/11?or Madrid?London? Pathetic!
The international forces work in Sinai and Golan because Egypt and Syria want them to. That would not be true in Gaza. Gaza is fuel now. If that issue disappeared, something else would pop up. The Arabs have to accept that a Jewish state called Israel exists in the Middle East. Until they do it will be one thing after another.
The muslim world never needed a "fuel"for anti-Israel behavior.the real "fuel"is the arab countries's political system(lack of democracy, and all rights)it is the only way they can "switch"the attention of their's populations from the real problem.Gaza is not the "fuel"for anything.heck,there is no fuel in Gaza anyway.
of yours. Join Nato-Arab force has nothing to do with the Pals. ability to stop terror, they have clearly demonstrated that, even high ranking IDF officials admit that. It has to do with placing an international force in the reas the IDF control now as an assurance to Israle. Boy, it is time for you grow up, or just forget politics, it is clearly too complex of an issue for you.
Reality is that it is Islam itself which fuels their irredentism against non-Muslims (including Jews). That 170-crores-strong cult: (*) claims as ancestor, Ishmael who didn't have spiritual "stones" to reject his mum's choice of IDOLATROUS bride for him (Gen 21:15-21) (*) was revealed by Satan (it seems not even personally, but through one of his demons) to a paedophile goonda who proclaimed himself as "prophet" (*) hates God's truth, due to the cult/religion's revealer being the 'father of lies'. (*) is known to be more oppressive even to its own (see 1971 "Operation Searchlight" and since-2003 Darfur situation) than other religions (even false)--as was even shown in the writings of B.R. Ambedkar (specifically, he stated it had "worse historical record in Sub-continent than Hinduism"--on Hinduism, Ambedkar's comment was "it should be called INFAMY!")
Futile self-stroking . Gaza or not Gaza Israel can do no right in the eyes of those who hate a Jew . "And Eisov hated Jacob" probably the closest explanation for this chronic pathological disorder as it comes . All other attempts throughout the history to find any other explanations failed to produce any consensus .
Anti-Israel Islamist-Jihadist hysteria is universal. It is in their religious books. It foments hatred against Jews. It is not about territory. It is their venomous teachings that come from the dark force.
Cipora, in any event, they do not deserve a State. They could have had, prior to the '67 War, EVERYTHING they want today. All they had to do was deal with their Jordanian Brothers, it was a slam dunk, Cipora. Instead, they not only wanted "theirs" but also "OURS". Obviously it is not a State they want, but BOTH STATES. WHY, Cipora, didn't they just get their State in '66 and before?? It was there for the taking. Why did Arafat form the PLO in '64, WHAT was he Liberating ??? Make you wonder ???
"...you left gaza and took a larger piece in the west bank. whats so confusing?..." A "larger piece"????? Are you joking???? Do you even begin to realize that Israel including ALL of the "West Bank" is UNDER ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT of the Middle East? Do you even BEGIN to realize that Arab land comprises OVER 99.9% of the Middle East? When will you Israel-haters get real? When the oil runs out?
Would be a disaster in the making. And CJK put it all in a nutshel. If the Palestinians want a state, they must be able to ensure that their territory is not used for terror attacks against israel.If they cannot control the terrorists, or if they do not want to control the terrorists, they do not deserve a state. I agree with you a 100% no other way . Either Abbas decides to announce who is really in charge or resign. That he holds on in hopes Hamas will change,is like asking for Al-Qaida to build a state on the doorstep of Israel. Have any of you ever thought about the scenario? All well to give advice,but it is never going to be implemented under these circumstances.
"The United States is a superpower; it is doubtful whether Israel is even a regional power" By any definition, Israel is a superpower at this point in time, and that's part of the problem. The Palestinians need peace more than Israel needs peace, given the predicament of the Palestinians and that of the Israelis. Israel in reality doesn't need anybody except the United States really. Suggesting that they need the Arabs or the rest of the world is delusional given the massive aid coming from the US every year.
".....Israel has no more right to expect any more than the Saudi Plan offers, which is way beyond what Israel can reasonably expect...." uhhhhh really? I think that the Clinton plan (2000) was perfect, and Israel by accepting it showed its generosity towards the palestinians. Isn't it?
in my opinion, is to render it under the UN supervision and administration for an indefinate period of time till it shows maturity to handle autonomy on its own. Hamas is terrorizing both Israel and the Gazans by making their lives a sheer hell. This has got to stop, bc Hamas rule is nothing but committing serious Human Rights violations. In order to supervise that the HRs are being honored in Gaza, the UN has to move into the strip as the Guardian of the HRs, and replace the Hamas tyranny there. Since Abbas-adm. has abandonned the Gazans and washed its hands from them and severed its ties and taken a passive role towards Gaza, Gaza *d better be cut off from the future PA-state and treated separately as an entity of its own. This procedure *ll make the foundation of the PA state possible in not so far future and keep Gaza under control, which *ll keep Israel safe.
Get the Israeli boot off the neck of the Gazans. Open up the borders to Egypt and via the sea bypassing Israel. Allow the Gazans to develop their gas fields and fishing grounds off the coast. Allow them to rebuild and farm their land. Allow them to rebuild. I think that you will find a peoples who want peace. Not with the boot of a thug on their necks but as a peoples who want to develop their own land. The only way Israel will be safe is not through subjugation of their neighbors but through mutual respect.
The Arab League Peace Initiative of 2002, aka the Saudi Plan. Just to perfection, generous to a fault. Israel has no morae right to expect any more than the Saudi Plan offers, which is way beyond what Israel can reasonably expect. Admit it. The Saudi Plan is the only plan in town. It's the bottom line. All procrastination and grasping for more will only REDUCE WHAT ISRAEL WILL GET OUT OF THE DEAL. Take it while the taking is good!!!
Absolutely right... Gaza is the problem. Because even if a miracle happens... where Abbas and Netanyahu sit down to negotiate. The self-assertive factions in Gaza will not adhere to any compromise that is reached. It's not only the bad-blood between Fatah and Hamas or the political differences. To a major extent, the complication is that militant fringe elements act on their own behalf. Besides there's no way in hell... Hamas and Islamic Jihad would allow any Arab League or UN entity to control Gaza borders or it's territory. Gaza is the wild card... and the unapproachable obstacle between Palestinians and the Israelis in the first place.
its wrong to believe, that gaza can be without the sea/air blockade. gaza is a pool of terrorists. and in addition its abused by other nations/elements with criminal intention as their playground. thats why it CANT be without "occupation". whether it is egypt, or UN forces - there would be a blockade. you have to look at gaza and see what it is, not what you wish it was. but i agree: it mustnt be israel who controls the blockade, because this fact supports the propaganda, that it is something "mean" or "unjust". its not. blockade is necessary. because gaza is what it is.
You want someone else to do your dirty work so that you save money. Under international law, Israel still occupies Gaza by dint of controlling all their borders. Therefore, Israel is responsible for ensuring food, water, medicines are provided. Once again, Israel is reneging on it's obligations. And now, you expect that you can have the occupation but not pay for it. How Scottish of you. . . Is money everything to you?
the idea of putting a joint nato-arab force into the west bank and gaza is quite insane. if the palestinians want a state, they must be able to ensure that their teritory is not used for terror attacks against israel. if they cannot control the terrorists, or if they do not want to control the terrorists, they do not deserve a state.
False claims, denials of Israel's legacy as biblical, historic homeland of Jewish people, and Israel's prospertiy is what fuels anti-Israel sentiment. Israel's prosperity among its residents anathema to oppressive islamist leaders in fear that demands for equal distribution of assets will create unrest that they fear most. Gaza, merely a smokescreen.
who cares about Muslim world opinions as long as Israel is a strong country militarily and has the support of the West,right?
You are right.You should address the moderates among Palestinian.On other hand do you think Liberman is an Israeli Moderate? I think moderates from both sides should negotiate.
To Mr Alon. Your opinion is highly appreciated.We peace lovers need to act against fundamentalist such as Hamas,Lieberman,Bin Laden etc
....around the world. Though many disagree with Israels dealing of the situation in Gaza, most of them understand, that you can't always make "nice-nice" with people, that show a certain amount of hostility towards you (Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc...). What people don't understand, is if you aren't willing to negotiate and accept compromise with someone, who has reached out his/her hands towards you (WB Palestinians). Therefore, not Gaza, but rather Jerusalem is at the heart of anti-Israel/Zionism sentiment around the world.....
how confused can you be? you left gaza and took a larger piece in the west bank. whats so confusing? now u want more arab land. and u don't want to negotiate, is that confusing? the arabs have the right to fight, for their land and rights. isrl and you do not have exclusive rights to self defense. why not openly crush the terrorists? then you would have to include the isrlies in that crushing part, because in case you forgot isrl was created through terrorism, and you elected those who killed and destroyed entire arab villages into govt. how confused are you now?
its always been egyptian, and they didnt want it back. because gaza - due to its location far away from egyptian administration - has always been a criminal cesspit ? gaza cant be part of a palestinian state. neither it might be possible to just dissolve it, mine the place and make it a no-go-area. also, its impossible for a police force to get control over terrorists and snipers, far better armed than them. someone HAS to send an army there. but this cant be israel. then every bullet fired by terrorists, would be blamed on israels presence. and why pls should israeli soldiers risk their lifes to bring this egyptian cesspit in order ? it has always been a thug-place. with or without israel. about time, egypt takes responsibility. if fail to manage it, financial aid will be cut dramatically. with this, im sure, they will have the place under control soon. maybe UN troops/"arab" army wouldnt help much, because the gazan terrorists would pay bribes. hold EGYPT responsible for it.
This purpose is to maintain us out of Lebanon to let Hizbullah develop with the mere excuse that the pro-terrorist UN is already there (and is untouchable, of course). Thanks Mark, you've been of some use for once.
Then we would be glad to try and see if we can solve anything. Because since 3 years, we're waiting for Mr. Abbas to calm down for us killing the terrorists in Gaza, which is a terrible insult to the religion of terrorism that they all worship. So, any Pal leader, it's when you want.
Absolute nonsense! If there wouldn't be Gaza, they would 'invent something else to continue their 'struggle. The writer should know better by now.
"what happens when there is a terrorist attack from the UN controlled area in gaza?" - your question There might someday be such a thing. But it doesn't exist now and is not currently contemplated. Reread the article, or at least the English version. Like Jason, you seem confused by the proposal of control with outside assistance. In Lebanon, UNIFIL provides assistance to the government, not to Israel.
You are both confused as to the whys and wherefores of the Israeli exit from Gaza. 1. It was not a goodwill gesture to anybody. 2. It was an economic move to save Israeli money. Occupations are expensive and maintaining tens of thousands of troops to protect a few thousand settlers made no economic sense. So Israel cut its losses and converted from active occupation to siege. It did not, however give up it's occupying authority. 3. Not a single day has gone by since the end of the Disengagement when the territory was not under siege or invasion. There was NEVER any good will.
You seem, by your response, to have not read the original 1701 that was written in English and French. You have an entirely misconstrued vision of what UNIFIL's role is supposed to be. Try the original English version of 1701.
Alon seems to have a pretty good realistic grasp of the problem that the current situation in Gaza creates. One thing missing is the role that Abbas and Haniya reconciling might play. And the international force may be significant. Many posting responses seem unaware of the realities either with the Lebanese situation or on the ground in Gaza.
however, the didn't defend, they attacked and lost each and every war in the processs Read some history, it will do you good, you're totally unaware of what's transpired in the past 60 years For starters try "TIMELINES ISRAEL ARAB CONFLICT", you have so much to learn
who do you think youre fooling..? israel left gaza because it was impossible to annex it. why doesnt it leave the w bank as well, if its intentions are noble? israel wants to have its cake and eat it too... wont work that way. sadly "gods chosen" dont get it
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josh's reaction is israel's, and its supporters biggest weakness.... a failure to pull their heads out off the sand. if israel has to survive .. it has no alternative but to seek acceptance from the world at large, and the arabs in particular. sadly arrogance and the "gods chosen" rubbish has blinded israel to reality. but for the zionists themselves,and their american backers, no one else supports what israel has become... todays aparthied s africa. uncle sam has stareted to feel the pinch of the blank cheque it has given israel. wake up israel.. time is running out. accept the arab peace plan for starters.if not .. israel will have to destroy everything around it,which is akin to destroying itself, or be destroyed in turn "
You say you left Gaza. But you have kept your guards around the edges slowly but surely starving the inhabitants. What you do is totally immoral and needs to change. It was Israel who broke the truce that was working and then went on to slaughter 1,400 Gazans. If you had only allowed a decent development to take place in Gaza, you would have had peace now. An allowance for them to develop their gas field instead of plotting how to steal it. With prosperity, the Palestinians would not have started another war and wouldn't have needed to as they would have had peace. Leave Gaza alone and get out of teh West Bank and you will have peace.
Under international law, Israel is still considered an occupying power. Israel controls the air space, most of the land borders and access to the sea. If Israel wants to truly rid itself of Gaza, lift the siege and encourage Arab trade to Gaza. The UN needs to stop footing the bill for the blockading of Gaza by building a seaport in Gaza instead, of paying Israeli companies to do it.
what happens when there is a terrorist attack from the UN controlled area in gaza? Either you morons didnt think of that or cynically dont care about your own citizens. either way YOU should be sent to gaza in reality that would solve Israels problems
gaza is just the "fuel du jour"...and hamas is only the surrogate of the moment...While abbas is a dead man slithering around...if he signs anything with Israel,he'll have the same end as Sadat...If the "quartet or anybody else" forces Israel to accept any type of 'pal" independent entity West of the Jordan,the iranian national guard will take over,and only Israel can stop them...
First you told us that Israel's presence in Gaza was fueling anti-Israel sentiment. Now you're telling us that Israel's withdrawal from Gaza is fueling anti-Israel sentiment. Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Israel's existence is fueling anti-Israel sentiment. Why are we bending over trying to appease terrorists and weakening moderates? Why not openly crush the terrorists and reward the moderates? There are no moderates in Gaza, by any stretch of the imagination. Abbas, who published a PhD in Holocaust Denial, is no moderate either. There are plenty of Palestinian moderates, but we are only negotiating with the extremists because they happen to hold the power. Forget power. Negotiate with the moderates and they will grow stronger over time.
Wait. Isn't that why we left Gaza? Lot of good that did.
My compliments!
No to an international force. Israelis must take responsibility for their borders.
a befitting comparison, israel is NOT america and never will be, while israel claims to be a superpower, it is, only in the sense that the opponents aren't even allowed to defend themselves, imagine if the opponents could do just that?.