For their own good
Olmert, Peretz and Halutz have already proved their judgment cannot be trusted. They have repeatedly made decisions whose motives are not pure and which cost the lives of soldiers and civilians.
By Uzi BenzimanWhat does Ehud Olmert mean when he says the state does not have the luxury of wallowing in internal investigations and reciprocal recrimination? What does Amir Peretz mean when he stresses that the internal examination committee he was so quick to appoint will not search for failures but instead study the army to prevent problems in the future? What does Dan Halutz mean when he declares that the entire Israel Defense Forces should undergo review but that for now it must focus on preparing for the next round, which is imminent? All three mean the same thing. They mean to prevent the creation of a government commission of inquiry with muscles to probe and sharp teeth to sink into those responsible for the calamity that befell the country during the dog days of July and August, but they hide their motives behind beautiful explanations.
This troika does not even realize it has lost all credibility, as well as its ability to rule the country and command the army. Above all, it has lost its moral authority to send soldiers into the next war. The prime minister and the defense minister, who decided to launch this disastrous war after only a few hours' consultation, the chief of staff who failed to prepare the army for the task and presented an unrealistic outline of its outcome - all three are unfit to remain in their jobs. The basic principle of reward and punishment mandates their immediate resignation. Their aspiration to remain in their jobs reflects a rare degree of arrogance: By what skills and achievements proved in the past month is the public supposed to continue to place its fate in their hands?
Were Olmert, Peretz and Halutz to wake up tomorrow morning and announce they were leaving public life, there would be a point to avoiding the labor involved in a state commission of inquiry, with all its legalistic fuss and bother, and to make do with external IDF examinations and emergency civil forums. But all three men are holding onto their jobs - and for extraneous motives. It is not the good of the state that stands before them, but rather the impulse to save their honor. They seek to go down in history not as failures on a scale not seen since the 1973 war, but rather as leaders who had a mishap. They are hoping to make up for their resounding disaster with future acts and decisions. And that is the main danger.
Olmert, Peretz and Halutz have already proved their judgment cannot be trusted. They have repeatedly made decisions whose motives are not pure and which cost the lives of soldiers and civilians. If the initial decision to go into battle stemmed from inexperience and an inability to look one step ahead, the decisions taken later, especially toward the end of the war, demonstrated that all three were driven by ulterior motives. Take for example the decision to send certain commando units deep into Lebanon, the main achievement of which was the (relatively) safe return of their soldiers, or the tragic decision to send reserve divisions beyond the Litani River during the final two days of battle. Operational reasons were given to justify these moves, but behind them was the desire to fashion an "image of victory" out of the fog of battle. A similar suspicion shadows yesterday's commando operation in Baalbek. How does this operation fit with Israel's agreement to a cease-fire?
Military authority and political leadership are not acquired through orders and protocols alone; they also require moral authority and personal credibility. The Olmert and Peretz of August 20 are not the Olmert and Peretz of the day the government was sworn in, and the Halutz of today is not the Halutz of his first day as chief of staff. They have been exposed in all their nakedness in the cruel test of a war in which all is laid bare, particularly in an age in which it is broadcast live. They will not be able to send the country and the army into the next war, which according to them is bearing down on us, because they have lost their authority to do so. For their own benefit and for the good of the country, the sooner they step down, the better.
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The whole situation is only a reflection of a nation that doesn't understand that their only hope is in the one above. We had no recourse to stopping the missiles, yet, comparatively speaking, only a handful of people were killed -all the IDF moves did not come close to performing that miracle. Israelis must wake up and keep the torah, keep shabbos, keep moral purity. This is the only protection we have - and we have seen too well that the military situation is hopeless. Who are you going to bring in to replace this troika of Olmert, Peretz and Halutz? There is corruption and unsubstantiated arrogance in the leadership of this country and it comes from a gov't seeped in kochem veotzem yadi - we depend on hashem, and this war was a wakeup call to remind us of the terrible consequences of forgetting. Wake up and see theobvious - if i told you to do anything to avoid another war, you would try it - so why not try the age old protection formula of keeping the mitzvos
not so quick people. why, i've got to live with bush and rumsfeld for two more years. general myers and frank got away scott free
Muslim extremists... Terrorists... Hostile neighbours... Guess what? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The so called terrorists are the outcome of years of opression and humiliation. Did you think one could squeeze a cat into the corner and expects it to give in and give up? What goes around comes around. The best way to have a long lasting peace is to do what they least expect you to: Be fair. Find a win win situation where everyone can prosper and live in peace. The grounds for a good economy for both Israel and its neighbours is the best deterrent of the creation of extremists.
Hey Mr NYC Guy, Apparently you have no clue about what ur talking about??? Well the whole problem is that the Europeans got sick of you guys, threw u out and gave you Palestine to live in to stay away from them... Sadly, it was a burden that we have to live with ever after...
Who needs a history lesson??? When was the state of Israel declared please???
It is true the leadership of Israel has demonstrated its impotence and arrogance and ignorance of military or diplomatic strategy. What is equally true, however, is there are no knights in shining armor in background or foreground capable of leading the country in one of its darkest moments. One cannot bring to mind a single, outstanding statesman who has been prepared by example and education to lead this small, fractous country. Are we doomed to stick with "the devil we know" rather than cull from the masses an untried "devil we don't know"? We are being gored by the horns of a huge dilemma. Estelle Reingold Jerusalem New York City
It's time for Israelis to elect some real un corrupt politicians,maybe borrow some of the lobbyist from the US,Foxman and co.
They bombed civilian targets so the world minus Israel is mad, Israel mad because they didn't bomb enough. So if 3 others were in office, would things have gone differently? Who really makes those decisions? Who is behind the campaign to have them removed and is it not for THEIR personal intersts as well? Let's be rational.
I do not live on another planet. I live in Fort Bend County, Texas, which is adjacent to Houston, Texas. I am of the opinion that Hezbollah came out on top at the time of the cease-fire on August 14th. Israel sustained tremendous damage as well as the loss of over one hundred soldiers, and many more have been wounded. And, for what? The Olmert Government signed the cease-fire agreement at the time that the Israeli army was approaching the Litani River. In my opinion, the war is far from over, and the leadership of the French troops in the UNFIL patrol will be a complete farce. Israel lost BIG TIME.
Dear Jane, I agree with you. Olmert was bad mayor of Jerusalem, Peretz - known for paralyzong the country, by strikes. This war and management after - disaster. They must resign. And the sooner - the better.
All three must go NOW! the next war may start tommorow we need new leaders
All three must go NOW! the next war may start tommorow we need new leaders
After their disgraceful performance in Lebanon Israel should demand the regignation of the Kadima government, inelt IDF leadership and move to elections. There must be a national unity governemnt to be ready for the next attacks and it should include representatives from Likud and Labor. Only a unified Israel will be able to face Iran down.
to the right of kadima is the ideology that has brought israel to this point, an ideology of an occupation, settlements and racism that turns the arabs into fiercer and fiercer enemies. as badly asd the current military and political leadership has handled the lebanon fiasco, the alternative on the right is a million time worse. israel will just have to develop rational,intelligent and effective political and military leaders that realize that the further away they move from the ideology of the right, the better chance israel has of surviving.
....but I will stick to that. By the way, you sure have a point.....
... not too late for the hague tribunal.
Mr. Me, why on earth did the land belong to you? Arabs never had a government in Palestine. It was ruled by the Britsh and the Ottoman's before that etc. Most of the land that much if ISrael resides on was barren even in 1948. Much of the West Bank was built by Jews after 1967. Prior to that, did anyone have title to it? NO! Title can only reside where there is a government. Since no government existed, a bedouin Arab that lived on a piece of land here or there does not mean that the ENTIRE LAND IS YOURS. Migrations of Arabs and Jews occurred throughout the end of the 19th and early 20th century. It is a fallacy to think that it was Arab land, especially since so many Jews lived there since Mid 19th Century. There were known mass migrations to Israel in the 1880s and early 1900s. WHy should an Arab have any more right to it, especially one who cam i nthe 20th century, than a Jews. The lie is in the constant statements of "Palestine" and that Jews stole it. It was never Arab.
RIGHT ON! By what right do they have to send soldiers into harm's way? Olmert himself was a promoter of the very actions of the government that helped spark this war. Peres, remember, stated, "Qassams, Shmassams" (quote). This betrays such a basic failure of sensitivity to the very people they have been sworn to pretect, and stems from the 'Ol Boy system that has led to complacency in the elite that govern, and has helped foment such a large discrepancy between the elitism of the ruling class (including Justic Barak) and the poor Israelis who suffer while the Knesset members drive around in new Mercedes. Each of the them has lost all moral authority and right to govern. Peres as well. They all must go. NOW! Haaretz, is it possible that you are finally coming around to your senses? I await with bated breath.
Fortunately for the incompetent trio leading Israel [Olmert, Peretz, Halutz] and unfortunately for the rest of us, there are no leaders of stature to step into their shoes. For some unknown reason, leaders in the mold of Rabin or Ben Gurion are not to be found and we are left with marginal politcal hacks at best.
I suggest that Olmer & Peretz, in acknowledgement of their Lebanese war failures emulate the Japanese Kari Kari customary atonement for failure. (sepaku).
I have noticed that almost every Israeli or Jewish commentor here advocates the dismissal of the trio because they did not pursue the war vehemently enough and allowed it to end before Hizballah was totally destroyed, but all the other commentors here say they should be dismissed because they let the war go too far and brought too much destruction to Lebanon. I have rarely seen such a large gap between two groups of opinions on a matter, and this is very disturbing to me. It seems like most commentors here don't even realize that they disagree with each other so strongly, because they all seem to agree that the trio should be dismissed, but for completely opposite reasons. Is Israeli opinion so out of whack with the rest of the world?
indeed. please never forget what was done to your country and destroy hezbollah. you make it sound that israel was the agressor. israel was only the fools not to annex lebanon until the litane as a consequence.
Dino, please make your point without referring to "the most of the world", "99% of the world", etc. You have no clue what the world thinks. It is perhaps 99% or most of YOUR world. Over the course of the last couple months, I have a lot of opportunities to talk to Indians and Chinese. Well, 99% of them were actually quite pro-Israeli, or should I say - anti-Muslim. Of course, they perhpas do not represent most of THEIR world also. Or may be the do....
If Olmert expects the next round of tsav shmonehs to bring anyone in at all, he has no choice but to do the right thing by the country and call an election.
I don't understand the frustration of certain Israelies with the condcut of the war. There is no such thing as a perfect war. With the exceptio of 1967 mistakes are always made. Let's take an objective look at the results of this war. 1 Lebaniese Casualties: approx 1100-1200 2 Israeli Casualties: approx 100-150 3 Southern Lebanon is in tatters and will takes years to repair. 4 NOrthern Israel will be functioning normally in weeks. More than half of the rockets launched by Hezbollah landed harmlessly. Anybody who thinks Hezbollah won this war must be living on another planet.
Absolutely true. they are impotent liers that cover their own ass and do not care about the future of this country. Maybe we should exchange them for our prisoners in Gaza and Labanoa
Olmert + Kadima = should resign and be exiled to Gaza to see what they have created! and some to live in Southern Lebanon!
JUST FIRE THEM THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO! TOO MANY LIES INDECISION WRONG DECISION OVER REACTION. ENOUPH
It is with great sadness that I watched the IDF restrained when it should have moved forward or instructed to move forward when it should have utilized other means. I am not trying to be a Monday morning quarterback but when I hear that the soldiers, especially the reservists did not have the proper equipment and money ws being raised for flak goggles in the U. S. and that the intelligence community underestimated the Hezbollah, I begin to wonder at the leadership both now and for the prior period from 1999 to date. I totally disagreed with the withdrawal fro GAZA even though I knew that the expense of protecting those settlers was disproportionate to their numbers. Nevertheless, it was naive, no foolish, to rely upon either the Egyptians or the U.N to "monitor" the movement of arms and individuals-history has shown that at the slightest movement of posssible harm the U.N packs up and moves on. I was in Israel for my honeymoon prior to the 1967 war and remember U. N then.
The trio made errors and should be replaced.but by whom eshkol was indecisive and hated war but the army did magnificantly in 67 . dayan was the invincible bravado but did worse than peretz . sharon was a hero in the yom kippur war but shockingly brutal in lebanon went to al ascha and turned the huge world votes for israel to cynical dissapointment and outright rage. israel needs to militerize relentlessly but offer gaza massive humanitarian aid for the release of corporal shalit and a hundred year truce.
After reviewing columns in both the Post and Hareetz it appears both papers (well intended) represent differing political attidudes right and left. Many of the critisims towards the Olmert govt are poignant and legitmate. Noneteless his govt reflects a consensus and it must continue with an improved posture. Olmert, is a lawyer businessman and he reflects a more modern Israel, one secular and pragmatic. The new foreign minister is much like Rice and brings a new rapprochemnt to foreign affirs. Unfortunately no one can replace Abba Eban, but Israel must look forward. MIlitary mistakens must be corrected. But in any conflict there is opportunity achieve positive results.
Fair analysis - But to all Israelis reading this know that we will never forget what you did to our country - we look for no future battles but if one is foist upon us we will be ready again
UZI is Right. These guys proved that they are a failure. If they have any self respect, then they should quit. Jews must decide if they want WAR or PEACE. It takes two to Tango.
Everyone's a Monday morning quarterback. Leave the leaders alone. At least until the next elections. I believe some good will come out of this war. Like peace with Lebanon. Getting the soldiers back. Starting negotiations with Syria. As for all of you war mongers who hate the Arabs, maybe you should join the IDF and put your money where your mouth is. The only ones who have a valid opinion are the troops who put thier lives on the line to protect Israel during this war. Everyone else shut or put up!. You'll see peace with Lebanon within two years. Syria will be next. And when the Palestians get thier act together and we have somenone to talk to about a two state solution, then and only then will we have PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!!
Was this a sarcastic post, Josh ? Comparing the pullout of Gaza with the Kristall- nacht ? You know what, it may hurt you a little bit, but 99 % of people around the world were deligh- ted to see this spoiled bunch of Gaza settlers, who were living a luxury life in the middle of misery and poverty, get finally a kick in the ass !! Hopefully to be continued.......
A simple explanation on how to deal with evil. There is a bully on the playground of a school picking on a young boy every day. He beats him up at times. The young boy decides, "I know I'll talk to the bully rationally and see if he will stop." The young boy says, "Mr. Bully, wouldn't it be better to be friends?" The bully laughs and punches the young boy in the stomach. The next day the young boy thinks, "I know, I'll give him a candy bar every day." The young boy comes to the bully and gives him a candy bar. The bully says, "thank you! Now give me 3 every day!" Then punches him in the stomach again. The bully is evil. Finally, the young boy tells his father and his father tells the school. The bully's father takes the boy home and spanks him. The next day, the bully is nice to the young boy, not because he wants to, but because he know that his father will spank him again if he continues. Thus, the lesson in evil. The left wing is the problem, not the right.
Me, You need a history lesson Me the Arab! I guess if you believe a lie you we always believe it! 7-arab armies attacked Israel! promises to drive them into the Ocean! a rag-trag army bet them! To the victors go the spoils! You people distort history! Was Saladin a arab!
Sadly, I rest my case with the comment on #18. They want ALL of Israel, not pieces. Israel is the size of a toothpick, the Arab nations are gigantic in comparison, yet they still justify themselves with terrorism to try to get the land. They call it "the resistance" to make it sound pretty. How ridiculous. Israel has the right to defend itself from evil Islamic extremism. Israel needs to realize this evil and defend itself with strength because that is all they understand. Israel, turn back to God and trust Him.
...I am just afraid George Double U, Tony B. and the Israeli governement might be hard to con- vince....
it's true that the cemeteries are filled with irreplacable people, but israel's problem is that there are no better options, only worse. the reason israel is in this predicament now is that she has followed the policies and ideologies of the right, even when labor, the supposed moderate left( what a joke) was in power. so the ideas of the right are the problem on one hand and the total weakness and capitulation to the right of what passes in israel as left is the tragedy. the pursuit of occupation and settlement policies and mistaking them for security for 39 years created a political map whee nobody has the proper answers. what's needed is a replacement of the ideology of the right: only then can the proper political and military leaders emerge. there's no point in replacing this trio with people just as bad or worst.
i watched in horror last year as i saw my brothers and sisters being dragged out of their homes by israeli soldiers in the land of israel. this was the most horrifying, reprehensible, dispicable act on the darkest side of mankind. this terrible tragedy of human suffering upon jews gave me flash backs of kristlenacht 1939 in nazi germany when jews were being forced from their homes and businesses. it was so depolrable and disgusting that all jews, left, right were disgraced by it. this must never happen again whther the party is "kadima", "labor", "likud" or whatever. the israeli hellenist government can play politics as usual all they like. they can apease islamic terror, apease the west with any measure, but ethnic cleansing of jews will not be tolerated ever again. if the israeli government wants to "pull out" let them pull out, but leave the residents alone. they dont need the IDF's "protection." let the residents of israel fend for themself. they will do fine.
Olmert is incapable to do the job that has been given to him. When the decision was made to go to war. The people in Politics should not have been getting involved. This is why the IDF has Generals and they have their own staffs to work out problems. When Politicians get involved in war making the results are always the same look at Viet Nam and what happen when Johnson and his cronies got involved. From day 1 the IDF should have gone after Hezbollah from the Land, Sea and Air. Their is a big difference between a measured response and War. Olmert let Isreal down the IDF did very well considering it fought with one hand tied behind it's back. Olmert just curious are you going to go to each of those soldiers homes and explain to the parents why you screwed up and their son won't becoming home. Well the answer is you won't so the next best thing is you need to step down and have Israel put someone with bigger Baitims then you have, to do the job. God Bless Israel and the IDF
the fbi uses the same words about mark lincoln. they are worried about his deep hatred for the president of the united states.mark lincoln has repeatedly stated on this site that he hates and loathes george bush.will the fbi move on mark lincoln?
Dr. Ari Nir Olmert, Perez, Haluts, Livni belong to small group of people believing that they own the country. The next war is imminent, and they are willing to lead the nation which does not trust them. They will fight for their positions even this will endanger Israel. This government presents clear danger to our ability survive. It must go ASAP, and the total military & political overall is requested.
I am very glad to hear that other people in this world care for the displaced Palestinian and other Middle East people. I believe I have a solution to solve this problem. 1.) Totally ignore the United States in all World Affairs since they have zero(0) credibility. 2.) Totally isolate the state of Israel until they retreat to their 1948 United Nations established borders. Establishment of a Jewish State on Arab land was a colossal mistake. Britain should have given-up their land if they were so concerned with creating a home for the Jewish people. 3.) Have the United Nations, European Union, Russia and China determine and enforce militarily and economically the borders of Israel and other disputes on the continents of Afria and Asia -- i.e., after the United States and Great Britain have been suspended from the United Nations for starting preemptive agression and chaos in Iraq.
This government is a disgrace, they should not be allowed to continue this way.
The best news israelis will get for months is when their leaders will resign.
And Yoel Marcus as well. They all'vee been preaching about dangers of occupation and benefits of retreat. Unoccupied Lebanon proves them false,their manifesto false,whipping Israel and Israelis undeserved. This whole pack should gather thair belongings from "Haaretz" offices and go.To wherever they want to,arab countries should be delighted to receive them.
"What does Ehud Olmert mean when he says the state does not have the luxury of wallowing in internal investigations and reciprocal recrimination" - Uzi Benziman It means he is guilty.
You falsely attribute blame to three incompetent individuals. They are the symptom, not the cause. The truth lies deeper, in the Israelis' preference for violence over dialogue and diplomacy. I'm no fan of Nasrallah, but you lot just don't seem to get it either.
Although this article is critical to the main persons in the Israeli governement, it does not propose a solution to go out from the problem Israel is facing. It is not a problem of changings persons when the aims remain the same. What are the aims of Israeli politicians?: - to continue denying the return of the Palestinian refugees - to continue oppressing the non-jews - to continue applying racist laws against the non-jews. These are the three main reasons responsible of what the country is facing. They have to be changed immediately if Jews like to continue to live in the region. How to change these aims? - By allowing the return of the Palestinian refugees home - by stoping the oppression of the non-jews - and by creating one democratic state with equal rights for all,regardless of their religion. Peace will be the fruit of justice (Isaiah 32:17).
The same way the false "profits" and journalists of Haaretz like Haasan and Levy do not resign, leftist politicians don't resign, like Peres. They will have to be forced out because they have no integrity, but grab onto the spotlight and the shekels and the power. These are the spin doctors who do not value the Land of Israel or the survival of the Jewish People surrounded by the hatefulness and failed societies of modern Islam. In their cowardliness they attack Jews rather than the hate and failed vision and destructiveness of modern Islam.
Olmert, Halutz and Peretz should go because they in actual fact war criminals. They bring shame to Israel by killing women, children and babies and destroying civilian infrastructure.
Israeli extremism is Israel's and Jew's everywhere worst enemy. You will destroy yourselves with you blind hatred and arrogance. Even worse, you will take the innocent and reasonable with you. Stop it!
new elections now.....our cuntry and our people in israel and the galut need a confirmation or change of leadership .dont play wit our destinity
These incompetent egotists, who put personal ambitions before the good of their country, should be charged with criminal negligence causing the deaths of Israelis. But Israelis will have to organize large public demonstrations to get rid of these cowards. What they have done is an outrage to the Jewish people and a catastrophe for the war against terror.
Zev, I am afraid that you are right. Prime Minister Olmert likes his job and his power, and will not leave voluntarily to join his two sons in the Galut. He sold much of the gullible Israeli public on this "convergence" scheme of his during the recent elections, and he has teamed up with the pensioners' party so that older people can live in luxury at the expense of security and adequate supplies for the soldiers of Tzahal. When are the next Israeli elections? In four or five years? Can Israel even survive as a nation for that long with Olmert and Peretz in power?
These two gentlemen have driven Israel into the most precarious position imaginable. They are obviously not qualified to hold their present post. The sooner they leave the stage the better it will be for their country.
And what are you americans doing in Afganistan and Iraq? Bombing villagers while on a wedding celebration, trowing 4 250 kg bombs on ahouse to kill Zarquavi and a dozen civilians there. All the buker busting bombs did not kill Bin Ladden. With all this shavinikans you reeelected Bush and Cheyne and their incompetent Defense Minister Rumsfeld.Saddam Hussein did not attack you.He was like mere mosquito biting loudmouth yet kept Iran in check.Taliban Shmaliban, Karzai is not a force to rely on. What are doing in Afganistan? You have no moral high ground so shut up!
The fact is that there should be a thorough investigation and review to avoid the repeat of this kind of policy. But who is the alternative to Olmert and Peretz? Do we want to see a new election now? Let's not forget who cut the defense budget that left the IDF so hollow! So Likud and Bibi saved money at the extreme cost to the nation! If Olmert and Peretz go, let's be sure that Likud dumps the Likud budget-cutters responsible as well!
Thanks to those murdering scumbags there are hundreds of dead Lebanese children as they authorised the IDF terror organisation to kill civilians. While they remain in office Israel is a terrorist state which is no better than Hezbollah
then Olmert and his hanger-on cronies must BE PHYSICALLY REMOVED, KICKING AND SCREAMING. No time for politics now.It is time for the final war that will end this "thousand cuts' war of attrition. For the interim, it is time for a military junta to take control. Democracy and politics can be re-introduced after it is clear that Israel has won and prevailed.
Sir: Israel suffered a setback because 1. Failed leadership not up to the challenge, therefore this administration shall resign, including Ms. Livin. 2. Caving in to the so-called world-opinion. The leadership should have stated: truce only, if Hezbollah will be disarmed. Do we want that addition 6 million of us shall be killed? 3 Israel should be shouting out in any possible way that the Hezbollah thugs are the criminals, hence, and all death shall be laid at their doorsteps. We must face the truth, the so-called world hates Jews, and we must act accordingly. Furthermore, they cannot stomach a strong Jew. 4 When we defend ourselves we are the agressors. (E.g. the disastrous J. Carter with his asinine statement to the Spiegel. He was one of the worst presidents of the US).
Morale. They have hurt Israeli morale beyond belief. They have boosted Jihadist morale more than any imam or mullah. They have made Israel seem weak and vulnerable... and indeed, with the current incompetents at the helm, Israel is not in the best of hands. While our soldiers were defending the land, Olmert was still talking about giving the Jihadists more land for bunkers and missiles. While Syria is still supplying weapons of death to Hizbullah, Peretz is talking about a deal with them. For the sake of our soldiers, our honor, and our survival, they must go quietly and quickly.
If you expect them to quit you don't really know them. The only way to get rid of them is to throw them out either by a majority no confidence motion in the knesset or if Olmert's corruption ever gets to the courts.
Uzi Benziman is right and I can only add that the trio who brought us to almost destruction must RESIGN immediately before they give the Golan, Yehuda and the Shomron, and who knows Galil and Negev too..(more Arabs than Jews already living there) .to the enemies of the nation they DID NOT serve.
How dare you say that when are the most evil and wicked people on EARTH. We have no interest in you guys whatsoever, we just want our land that you stole in 1948 back. We want to live in peace ever after. Go find yourselves a piece of land away from us please. LEAVE US ALONE you and ur US AND UN Friends... Buh bye....
get rid of them. then who comes in their place?bibi? israel doesnt have much of a choice. in a democracy its the muck which rises to the top. this is true for all democracies.
You'll suffocate. If this trio is like the leftists around the world they will cling to power like lint on a fleece pullover. The left is ALWAYS all about themselves. Their salaries and pensions , face time on TV , strutting around on the world stage with the rest of the hypocrites, international renown...these are the things they care about. The rest of the leftist blah blah blah is only white noise, a meaningless regurgitation of feel good dogma that elevates them in the eyes of their friends and ENDANGERS YOU !!So don't wait for them to do the right and moral thing because they have absolutely no clue as to what this may mean. Think Bill Clinton- sex scandals, liar , let Osama live and go on to commit 911. I think you will have to pull these guys out of office like you would pull teeth. Ain't gonna be easy....good luck.
"The enthusiastic cheering of the Israeli public to the war in Lebanon, the complete ignorance to the suffering of their Palestinian neigh- bours, the shocking disregard for democratic rules ("hijacking" of elected PA-ministes), the stubborn refusal to hold serious peace- negotiations..... .....all this are alarming signs of a signi- ficant breakdown of the moral institutions in Israel." Don't worry Dino about Israel's moral instutions . Isreal never had any.
"The enthusiastic cheering of the Israeli public to the war in Lebanon, the complete ignorance to the suffering of their Palestinian neigh- bours, the shocking disregard for democratic rules ("hijacking" of elected PA-ministes), the stubborn refusal to hold serious peace- negotiations..... .....all this are alarming signs of a signi- ficant breakdown of the moral institutions in Israel." Don't worry Dino about Israel's moral instutions . Isreal never had any.
The raid on friday into Baalabek had no viabilty whatsoever. Our soldiers are cannon fodder for leaders who have no clue. For our good they should resign.
nobody here leaves their post unless "advised" to do so ,plain and simple, by the US Ambassador in Tel-Aviv. So, Uzi, you too know this, do not hold your breath.
Israel is controlled by political hacks and we are in big trouble. We are surrounded by hostile Moslem nations and terrorists. However, the most serious danger we face is the incompetence and manipulations of political hacks such as Olmert and Peretz. We do not have the wealth, the territory, or the population to withstand the incompetence of Olmert and Peretz. They need to place the security of Israel ahead of their own selfish political interests and resign. Now.
The most irresponsible and unethical government that has been in Israel 60 yrs. Everyday they are in power is dangerous for Israel. They care nothing for Israel but only they're power, weak willed constantly looking for the path of least resistance. This will not fly in the strategic situation Israel finds itself in and has been made worse by this trio of blunderers. They must go now!!!
but i agree with his demand for the departure of the three. my problem with olmert is that his family has shown no committment to the state.he lacks credibility when he orders our soldiers to go to war. the other two whether fairly or not had better go.
Islamic fascist aren't what Israel needs to worry about. The barbaric neocon Government that currently holds power in Israel is what Israel needs to worry about. Bunker Buster bombs?? Get real....those only work if you target bunkers. Israel's politicians targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure. Fighting Hezbolla was a mere afer thought. Your country will suffer from these mistakes for decades. Hezbolla was IN Lebanon and month ago....this month the ARE Lebanon. All the bunker busting bombs in the world can't change that fact.
Isael has ben led by olmert and his tribe to near destruction it was never a legitimate , legal state, it is even less now
Why shall they resign: their colleague Peres is a life long failure but he still in the government after authoring or supporting disaster after disaster: Oslo, Bark's foul flight from Lebanon and betrayal of our allays there, flight from Gaza and blaiming Begin for bombing Saddams nuclear reactor. If he is still respected statesman why not failures like Olmert, Peretz and Halutz. They damage to Israel is equal to his.
The enthusiastic cheering of the Israeli public to the war in Lebanon, the complete ignorance to the suffering of their Palestinian neigh- bours, the shocking disregard for democratic rules ("hijacking" of elected PA-ministes), the stubborn refusal to hold serious peace- negotiations..... .....all this are alarming signs of a signi- ficant breakdown of the moral institutions in Israel. If the goal of your politicians and military was, to show the world that Israel can be as bad and dirty as the Arab extremists, I can assure you that you definitely succeeded, most people abroad are now 100 % convinced of that ! So after reaching this "honourable" aim, shouldn't have the time come for Israeli poli- ticians to start again behaving like reasonable, decent human beings instead of stubborn, tricky little "monsters" ?? Believe me, the world would definitely appre- ciate that....
Does it realy matter who's in office? If the attitude is the same? Lets get tough once & for all & not feel we have to appease anyone! After all they're not there when our people are kidnapped or murdered! Mexico hasn't bothered the United States for a very long time now. Lets learn from our friends the United States & Israel will be a safe place again!
Actually, for the good of all Israelis, not only these 3, but all the rest of the Kadima people in government, must be replaced. New people must take over immediately, so that when the next round occurs, Israel will have leaders that are interested in the good of the country, and not only their self interest. That demand for accountibility will filter its way down the chain of command, and Israel will have a better chance of winning the next round.
It's hard to imagine a more incompetent trio. We are trusting the UN? What craziness is that? When has the UN been fair with Israel? We are trusting the UN to protect Israel? We trusted Lebanon and the UN to disarm Hizbollah? Now we have troops from other countries in the way in the south if Israel needs to defend itself again!! The solders are still kidnapped. The enemies of Israel now look at the IDF as weak. Halutz turned down bunker busting bombs that could have damaged Hizbollah greatly!! Now Peretz thinks he can talk nice to Syria and make peace?!! LEARN THIS, ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS WANT ALL OF ISRAEL, NOT JUST A LITTLE!! THEY ARE EVIL TERRORISTS THAT DON'T PLAY FAIR, LEARN THIS!! THEY ONLY SPEAK FORCE.