Does Israel want peace or to play the blame game?

The bloody Terrorist State of Israel has no desire for peace as evidenced by its public who keep on electing WAR CRIMINALS like Bibi to their highest office! Zionism is among the greatest threats to World peace as this racist ideology of 'Chosen People nonsense' SHALL NEVER make peace possible! Especially when one considers Racist Zionists rush from middle class lives in places like Brooklyn, NY to PLUNDER a pieaca of Palestinian land and happily carry machine guns so as to kill any Palestinian civilian at will !

While Ariel Sharone was the prime minister of Israel, he realized at the end that for the long lasting peace of the region and prosperity and better relationship with its neighbors, it was necessary to return the forcibly annexed land to its Palestinian owners. So, he started forcibly taking the Israeli settlers out of these occupied territories. But, it was not accomplished as the right wing conspiracy put him into a deadly coma state that he is still in. The only other decent prime minister was Yitzahk Rabin who was killed by an Israeli extremist for creating a settlement treaty with the Palestinians. Throughout M u s l i m history, the persecuted Jews from Europe and other places have been given sanctuaries in Morocco, Turkey and other Arab countries. The Zionists in Israel have started the same kind of ethnic cleansing as done to them and learned from the Spanish Inquisition and German Nazis. Please read the book, "Observations, Perceptions & Questions".

NO PALESTINIAN STATE – No land concessions R4. Imagine that the various people who settled in the United States for the past 300 years decided one day that they one to parcel the United States into an independent State just for them, would the American public go for it. The Answer is absolutely NO. The situation in Israel today is no different. The Arabs there are not Palestinians, there is no such Arab nation as Palestine or Palestinian people. Europeans countries today are consisting of numerous people from other countries. Would the Europeans people cede part of their country to set up another State in their midst. The answer is absolutely NO. All the Arabs in Israel and surrounding areas are from the various Arab nations, such as Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and other Arab nations. Prominent PLO Arab says there are no 'Palestinians' and no "Palestine" PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein admitted in a March 31, 1977 interview with a Dutch newspaper Trouw. "The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. " The Qur'an 17:104 - states the land belongs to the Jewish people If the historic documents, comments written by eyewitnesses and declarations by the most authoritative Arab scholars are still not enough, let us quote the most important source for Muslim Arabs: "And thereafter we [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.". 017.104 YUSUFALI: And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd. PICKTHAL: And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations. SHAKIR: And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment. - Qur'an 17:104 - Any sincere Muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by Muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation. Sequence of historical events, agreements and a non-broken series of treaties and resolutions, as laid out by the San Remo Resolution, the League of Nations and the United Nations, gives the Jewish People title to the city of Jerusalem and the rest of Israel totaling approximately 45,000 square miles, as mandated by the League of Nations in July of 1922. The process began at San Remo, Italy, when the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I - Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan - agreed to create a Jewish national home in what is now the Land of Israel. (You might as well break apart Syria which was mandated at the same time). Jay Draiman. PS 20 Years of Research Reveals Jerusalem Belongs to Jews (IsraelNN.com) Jacques Gauthier, a non-Jewish Canadian lawyer who spent 20 years researching the legal status of Jerusalem, has concluded: "Jerusalem belongs to the Jews, by international law.". Gauthier has written a doctoral dissertation on the topic of Jerusalem and its legal history, based on international treaties and resolutions of the past 90 years. The dissertation runs some 1,300 pages, with 3,000 footnotes. Gauthier had to present his thesis to a world-famous Jewish historian and two leading international lawyers - the Jewish one of whom has represented the Palestinian Authority on numerous occasions. Gauthier's main point, as summarized by Israpundit editor Ted Belman, is that a non-broken series of treaties and resolutions, as laid out by the San Remo Resolution, the League of Nations and the United Nations, gives the Jewish People title to the city of Jerusalem. The process began at San Remo, Italy, when the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I - Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan - agreed to create a Jewish national home in what is now the Land of Israel. We must unleash the wrath of G-D against the enemies of Israel and those collaborating with the enemy.

These "negotiations" are in fact a chess game. I move then you move. I appears that Netanyahu has the shas party blocking him at every turn. In the meantime tensions are heightening. What for. What is the negev for and thus build "settlements" in that area rather than go where Israel had agreed not to go.

Disgraced by wars, Palestinian regugees have lived in misery, supression and humiliation in the Arab countries they are. They have no equal rights to local citizens, because they are kept frozen in time as refugees, to keep the grudge of non-Palestinian Arabs who lost every war with Israel, alive. Then comes Nabil Sha'ath, who knows this so well, and has the nerve to write that Israel "is responsible for the perpetuation of the Palestinian refugee issue". A shame, because the article was pretty good, until Mr. Sha'ath had an emotional short-circuit. Or is it a mantra he needs to fit in somewhere, no matter how false it is? Then the article further goes astray with the statement " In exchange, we offer full recognition of the State of Israel by 57 Arab and Muslim countries". Yes, like Iran, Syria and Lebanon for example? May there be peace, and two states, the Jewish state of Israel, and the Arab state of Palestine; the sooner the better, living in peace, security, mutual respect, no occupation, no terrorism, no quarrels, no settlements, no lies, no incitement, no extremism, bigotry, fanaticism in any way or shape, Amen.

The Obuma administration, which has done so many small and medium things wrong could leave the world a parting gift by introducing some appropriate resolution in the Security Counsel or General Assembly. A proclamation that "anti-Zionism is a form of racism" might be just the thing. (The infamous "Zionism is racism" resolution, passed in 1975 and rescinded in 1991, remains a perfect symbol of depraved worldwide attitudes to Israel.) Or a U.S. resolution might call on the U.N. to take the unprecedented step of enforcing its own charter and booting out members that preach the destruction of Israel. (Article 2 part 4: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.") To start the ball rolling, Iran might be designated for immediate expulsion.

Mr Sha'ath says: "... rights of Palestinian refugees and the rights of the Palestinian citizens of Israel." i.e Demographically destroy the inner being of Israel and turn it into another Palestine. Is this supposed to be recognition of Israel's right to exist?? It's right to exist as an Arab state, perhaps. This is no different to the Arab declaration of war against Israel in 1948. Instead of using bombs, Mr Sha'ath turns to far more sophisticated and tacit weaponry. Well, thank you for finally being honest, Mr Sha'ath.

That's not what they say!

"Palestinian recognition of Israel and its right to exist over 78 percent of our historic homeland. " You left out: It's right to exist as the homeland of the Jewish People? Yes or No, Mr Sha'ath?? 'our historic homeland (if of the Palestinians)' - implies that you do not recognize the connection of the Jewish People to the Israel that they were expelled from 2000 years ago. This means that you simply want a Hudna to give yourself time to arm and then attack Israel. Or to pass the ball to those who try to deligitimize Israel with verbal poison instead of with bombs.

You play with the facts as you play with your people, your history is a long list of lies.

Palestine and an other peace of land on the mONo, but ,Netanyahu and Liebermanwouldnot be happy until they see last palestinian forced to leave hisoric Palestine. You and Abbas are wasting your time.

What good is it for the Palestinians to recognize Israel if they won't recognize it as the Jewish homeland? Does Nabil think that the Jewish citizens of Israel should be satisfied with a Palestine that is Judenreit (Gaza and the West Bank) and a Palestine in which they are Dhimmi? It's just me because I am American... I believe there should be an Palestinian homeland and a Jewish Homeland in Palestine. I believe that Moslems, Jews, or Christians should be able to live in either one. I believe they should both be ruled by law. If a person is murdered in either country then their killer should be brought to the same justice whether they are Moslem, Jewish, or Christian and irregardless of the faith of the victim. It is very possible that would happen in Israel. I have absolutely no confidence that justice would prevail in the Palestinian court.

Why cannot Israel simply state what it wants? Why can it not say it wants all of Judea and Samaria and that the Palestinians will just have to get out? The world is not going to screw with a nuclear power. There is no nation on earth that has the balls to confront Israel over this matter. The only reason Israel putzes around pretending it wants peace while taking piece after piece is because Israel has become too dishonest with itself to admit what it wants publicly. That is the real problem. Israel may take all it wants, that has been proven by 43 years of international ambivalence. What prevents Israel from being honest is that it hasn't got the guts to be honest with itself what it has become. Israel's problem goes beyond Slime in the PM's office. It even goes beyond Slime in the Propaganda Machine. Israel's problem is it cannot even be honest with itself.

I read Palestinians (apparently), and globalized anti-Semites. I read Jews, and it seems to me that the narratives' collision is exactly the same as 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago. The hate of anti-Semites is worse than the hate of Palestinians, whose desire for independence I can empathize with, even if it is peppered with lies, truisms, clichés and some outrageously false claims. Some Jews seem to me engaging in arrogance and preaching, which I don't think covers their fears of being overwhelmed by a hostile world, ever more capable of spinning, lying and twisting reality to fit a Palestinian narrative which seeks hegemony. In the end, my conclusion is that the two peoples are led by politicians, not by brave visionaries. I see the delegitimization of Israel in at least 50% of the posts, willingly or by ignorance. I see the two myths smuggled by Sha'ath (57 Muslim countries would recognize Israel, and Israel being responsible for the perpetuation of refugeedom of Palestinians in Arab countries) as not having been successful with Jews, who didn't buy that BS. And I also see that there is a simple nature of the Palestinian narrative, which makes it easy to sell and buy. That requires the opposite of honesty, a comfortable shoving under the carpet Palestinian terrorism, which time and again derailed their state. The last intifada was so brutal with suicide bombers, that Palestinians lost Israelis' trust. The same is true the other way around: Netanyahu simply cannot talk about peace while bull-dozing and building in the West Bank, or exchanging Jewishness of israel for another two month moratorium. May other governments come who have the guts and the true desire to kill maximalism and give birth to mutual recognition and respect; constructive talk and tolerance for the different narratives, which I hope, will one day be pure, without lies.

The Palestinians accepted Israel according to whom? Which of the X amount of entities did so? PLO? Fatah? Hamas? PFLP? Abu Mazen? Haniyeh? What happens if you were to go to Gaza Sha'ath? What you are saying is that you recognize an Israel flooded by "refugees" (i.e. no longer Israel). Stop lying. You are hurting both Arabs and Jews.

Nabil, I think you are confused, you, yes you, whining, blaming while enjoying the good life, hotels, trips, money, fame. what a life Nabil. you will never admit, but history will show the Arabs never wanted or will make peace with Israel. Enjoy your life but watch your back, not from the Israelis, from your brothers HAMAS

Israel gets attacked in 1948, and is existentially threatened in 1967, as a result Israel defends itself and gains territory. Now amazingly, Palestinians blame Israel for refugees created by the attack on Israel in 1948, and for the loss of Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank in 1967. Now they argue that they should get all of the West Bank including Jerusalem, and have all the refugees return to Israel proper. At the same time they deny any guilt in their own misdeeds preferring to label Israel as the colonial occupier. An occupier that has no historical claim to any of the land in dispute and amazingly no claim to Israel proper. So who is playing the blame game?

Nabil Shaath talks about the need for the Israeli government to prepare the Israeli people for a two-state solution. Israel has been committed to a two-state solution with the Palestinians since Barak was PM at Camp David in 2000. By contrast, what has the PA done to prepare the Palestinian people for a two-state solution. The answer is zero! Anti-Jewish and anti-Israel incitement dominates Palestinian media. The PA refuses to recognize that Israel is a Jewish state, while demanding a Palestinian "right of return." That's never going to happen and Palestinian hopes are being raised for no reason because of a lack of courage and ideological extremism on the Palestinian side. How is that preparing the Palestinian people for peace with Israel? This just exposes the total fraudulence of Shaath's article.

Disgraced by wars, Palestinian regugees have lived in misery, supression and humiliation in the Arab countries they are. They have no equal rights to local citizens, because they are kept frozen in time as refugees, to keep the grudge of non-Palestinian Arabs who lost every war with Israel, alive. Then comes Nabil Sha'ath, who knows this so well, and has the nerve to write that Israel "is responsible for the perpetuation of the Palestinian refugee issue". A shame, because the article was pretty good, until Mr. Sha'ath had an emotional short-circuit. Or is it a mantra he needs to fit in somewhere, no matter how false it is? Then the article further goes astray with the statement " In exchange, we offer full recognition of the State of Israel by 57 Arab and Muslim countries". Yes, like Iran, Syria and Lebanon for example? May there be peace, and two states, the Jewish state of Israel, and the Arab state of Palestine; the sooner the better, living in peace, security, mutual respect, no occupation, no terrorism, no quarrels, no settlements, no lies, no incitement, no extremism, bigotry, fanaticism in any way or shape, Amen.

so basically, you want a country on the 67 boarders half of juresalem and then flood the rest of israel with the rest of the palastanians refugees.. so basically if israel doesnt hand over israel to you.. they dont want peace? yeah okay

The game has clearly been lost by Bibi, because Israel has already been judged on restarting their settlement expansion in the middle of talks, and has lost. That decision is already in, and it went against Israel. That game is over. Now Israel should settle for peace, before the next game begins. Because the next game is whether or not Israel faces sanctions and punishment for having settlements in East Jslm and beyond the Green Line. The stakes are getting higher for Israel losing the next game.

When will Dr. Shaath and the rest of the PA wake up and remove their collective heads from the sand and admit that Israel had always preferred keeping the occupied territories over peace. Where they asleep or in a coma when the entire Arab and Muslim world declared in 2002 that they will recognize Israel and establish diplomatic, economic and cultural ties with it if it agrees to withdraw to the 1967 borders. Less than 48 hours later, the Israeli army re occupied the entire West Bank and Gaza. If this was not enough of a wake up call then they may not be just in a coma, they may be already dead.

About time that the palestinians pulled the finger out and stopped blaming Israel.Their whining is grating on the nerves of the rest of the world.They are losing a lot of their fans here in England.

stop blaming Arab's own internal strife and conflicts all on Israel. If a small country of only 7.5M people is capable to manipulate and affect the lives of 350M people, that does not say much about the viability of the Arabs as organized societies. Does it? If Hamas & Fatah can't bury their hatchets, and learn to unite for the common goods - then perhaps they have never been one entity called "Palestinians". Their so-called unity is just by name, designed and intended to remove Israel from the ME, and not necessarily end the suffering of their own people. Do Israeli leaders read these signs, I am sure they do. As much myself as an Israeli wish to see new settlement in WB to stop, Hamas's actions and stated goals leave no room for us the moderate Israelis to come to their defense for independent state of their own. As long as good and honest Palestinians feed their children daily dose of hatred toward Jews, citing passages from the Quran, where every tree and rock call Muslims "here is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him", citing these filth as holy deeds, handed down by almighty Allah, we will not have peace in any form and shape. And no peace treaty can erase these "holy tenets" from the Quran The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is just the symptom and direct manifestation of the deep hatred going back to Muhammad himself. First and foremost, Pals need to demonstrate to the rest of humanity their ability to live in peace among themselves, before others can trust them with the security, and the future of their people.

by alluding to "Judea and Samaria" Shaath shows that he does not recognise historical Jewish ties to the Land of Israel. He is intellectually dishonest and has a history of corruption like all his colleagues in the Arab League.

Nabil Sha'at & his friends don't really want a peace deal they feel that most of the world are are croaking around. Why should they make peace & have the burden pf running the country on their shoulders ? And don't forget for a moment Hamas & Durson waiting at the sidelines with their rusty matchetes,ready to hack.

Israel wants peace without justice if all the palestinians died tomorrow there would be peace peace and a just peace are two different things

Israel wants peace without justice if all the palestinians died tomorrow there would be peace peace and a just peace are two different things

Isreal can give everything the PA and the rest wants until it is indefensible and they will want more till Israel is no more. Read Psalm 83 and that describes what is going on. I feel its time Israel stopped ignoring the wealth of goodwill in the West amongst many christian groups comprising of hundreds millions. Yahwehnews dot com

In doub? You ask your mather. Be happy

you were offered 50% in 1947, you said no and made war. the real crux of the matter nabil is the creation of the PLO in 1964, created as a violent terrorist liberation group. BUT, in 1964, there were no occupied territoties....so what was the PLO created to liberate? and what was in its charter? seriously, the article lacks many facts and context. Shaath and the other reps of the PLO are living in denial. If they want a state, accept that israel is a JEWISH state, and accept some of the blame for your own part in your so called naqba. While you asre at it, maybe have the other arab countries accept blame for the miserable treatment of your fellow palestinians in other arab lands. If you want some kind of compensation, it will HAVE to go both ways..compensating jews for lost assets, businesses, land, art etc...when they were kicked out of their homes. Unilke your naqba fantasy, jews were kicked off their land in arab countries, whereas in Israel, arabs were TOLD TO LEAVE by none other than the grand mufti himself(hitlers confidant who spent the war years in berlin) only to come back once they had pushed the jews into the sea. If you want peace, own up to what you need to do and start to negotiate. 1964 IS key because it shows CLEARLY, that this was never about settlements in WB or gaza...it was ALWAYS about israel INSIDE the green line. Shaath is in my estimation, more of the same...denials, lies and refusal to really move towards TRUE peace...not just a hudna of sorts.

Nabil is right, he learnt the lesson. The whole land belongs to the Jewsih people and especially Judea Samaria and even more Jerusalem. Arab hold of Jerusalem during 19 years provide them an eternal sovereignty on the City and 43 years of Jewish hold give only the right to give it back ? During these 19 years Jerusalem became Judenrein. Time to reverse the issue. There is no single reason to give Jerusalem back, back to whom ? Arabs and also B Hussein O'bama, the EU want the Jews that are going to pray to the Western Wall on Friday evening or Saturday morning to have a passport with them and show it to an Arab Pal soldier that will ask : Stop, Haben Sie Papieren, eine Grenze wird hier überfahrt. You are entering a foreign country. It sounds completely crazy, but it is exactly what the world and the so-called Internationa Community wants while trying to appease the barking countries. International Law is just perversion acting from personal interest and not motivated by justice. Wants a proof, Zionism is Racism UN resolution shows what is International Law. Judea Samaria was not gained by war, it was liberated from occupying force by war. If Pals want peace they MUST accept to renounce to Jerusalem and return of any arab that left in the 40s. If not, nothing to speak about. First recognize the real Landlord and then ask him (and he will give it away because he is stupid) for generosity and he will give you.

Those of us who look, with shame and dismay, at what the state has been doing for the last decades cannot in all honesty disagree with Erekat's article. While the Palestinians have floundered and 'blown it' too often to count, it has become very obvious that Israel has welcomed that in order to pursue a self-defeating agenda. Hoist by his own petard, Netanyahu is clearly seen wearing no clothes , and it didn't take this article to see it clearly. But here it is, and one cannot deny its truth.

It is very sad that the Israeli Government is in a sort of self righteous denial about ever reaching a two - state solution which is really the only game in town. The moratorium on settlements has ceased and it seems that new settlements are about to be built in order to sound the death knell on the two-state solution. Let us be realistic. One cannot build settlements in territories occupied in the 1967 Six Day War if the intention is to destroy them in order that a Palestinian State can be established. Even the rhetoric coming from Netanyahu's right wing coalition does not give us any reason to believe that there will ever be an independent Palestinian state. It is about time that we cease to pull the wool over our eyes and realize that the only viable areas for a Palestinian state is in the West Bank with necessary border adjustments more or less according to the pre1967 Six Day War borders. Jerusalem by its location should be a free city and the capital of both Israel and Palestine.

Israel does not want to return to the 1967 borders. It is now 2010. 1967 is history. Israel does not want to split Jerusalem. When East Jerusalem was under Jordanian rule, Israeli's had no access to it. Israel does not want the right of Palestinian return. That would mean the end of Israel. The Palestinians are going to have to make concessions.

Well said Mr. Sha'ath.

Why, but of course Bibi, and Israel in general, is only interested in playing the blame game and buying time while expanding on Palestinian territory. Did you seriously think otherwise?

During the indirect as well as limited direct positions, Abbas just repeated his maximalist demands. Just yesterday he stated he will not agree to territory swaps nor to drop the "right to return". He never declared his minimal positions. Israel should also refuse to state lesser positions,lest they become the minimum positions of the West, with pressure exerted for further retreats. Shaath should reveal his minimum demands for a deal, and if they are identical to his maximum demands, there is no reason for Israel to veer from its maximum positions.

Lest see.. when Abbas had the chance he did not move against the terror infrastructure of Hammas... only latter it turned against him. Like Arafat he chose to have terror as a tool at his dispossal... thinking the only victims would be jews... soon he learned otherwise. Poetic justice. When they had the chance, they did not stop the incitement one only needs to look at the teachings of their children and their media to know that the palestinian leadership is not interested in peace.... they can not say it outloud in Arabic .. only in English and Hebrew do they talk about peace..

there can be no peace. Specifically, despite the public "outrage" earlier by Abbas regarding "recognition" at Oslo, the PLO has steadfastly refused to remove or change the line in their charter that calls for the destruction of the "criminal Zionist entity by any means necessary including force."

In antiquity, the Israelites came and took over the Land of Canaan. Some of the local peoples (Canaanites, Philistines, etc.) were assimilated into Israel and some remained non-Israelites. During the Hellenistic and Roman periods, many more non-Jews settled on the Land. Due to oppression by the Roman government in particular, most of the Jews left the Land into exile. They were able to maintain their Jewish identity and culture through the ages. The peoples who remained on the land were Arabized during the Islamic conquest of the 7th century, most adopting Islam. These Arabs are today's Palestinians. In the Zionist era, the Jews returned to Palestine/Land of Israel, but refused to accept the local Palestinians as their relatives. Wars ensued, and finally settled by the division of the land into two countries, Israel and Palestine. And they lived happily ever after./// Such a narrative should not be problematic for either side. Jews might initially be a bit unhappy, because it seems that they were the ones who refused to recognize the Palestinians as a related people. However, this is exactly what the Jews did following the Return from Babylonian Exile. As described in the Book of Ezra, the Jews refused to let local people join them in building the Temple and worshiping the same God. (Apparently, the reference is to the Samaritans, a mixture of Israelites and foreign people brought into the Land.) Behaving in the same way again and again is a mark of authenticity, so will be acceptable to the Jews. End of conflict. Amen.

The reason Netanyahu demands it may be because he can then say: The Palestinian refugees cannot return to the "Jewish state". But the refugee problem has to be discussed as part of the comprehensive peace deal, not as a "trick". For Abbas to recognize Israel as the homeland for the Jews is to demand from him some determination about history. What Abbas knows as a historical fact is that Israel was part of the homeland of the Palestinian people (as they are defined today). The Jewish claim is debated by historians (although I, and most Jews, believe it as a certainty). If Abbas is willing to decide historical claims, he might say: Israel and Palestine together are the homeland for both the Jewish people and the Palestinian people. (Indeed, Judea and Samaria are the historic homeland of the Jews more than Israel proper). But such a historical determination by Abbas will be of no use to Netanyahu. I think Yahoo should reconsider his pointless demand.

The Netanyahu government wants all of Judea and Samaria and is too craven to take the blame.

It's time for the old guard to move on.

"Historic Palestine" also included the 'East Bank' so the figures sites above for the land mass of "Historic Palestine" are bogus.Why the 'West Bank' Arabs aren't as interested in the 'East Bank' as in the 'West Bank' area is rather obvious. The 'East Bank' is already Arab and devoid of Jews. Next step is to devoid the West Bank of those pesky Jews.It started in 29 with Hebron, a Juden freed town. So to recognize part of the 'West Bank' as being a Jewish territory is counter to the ethos of the Arabs. I once read a book by a Lebanese author who suggested that the Arabs were really pissed off at the Jews because they were the only group who ,so far, broke away from the Arab/Muslim 'protective' fold. Thought this guy was on crack but looking at the Arab/Muslim treatment of the Kurds it its not far off the mark.

They haven't done one thing to promote peace. Only complain.

That's the best article I have ever read on Haaretz's website. I totally agree with the writer. Congratulations!!!

soon,many posts,denying israel refuses peace,will demonstrate,in the vilest terms they can,israel's and their desire for peace.all emotion,no reason.(if racism,sadism,inferiority complex etc.,be indeed,"emotions".) but you and i know better.we know the facts and discard all noises masking as meaningful.observing purely facts and acts the only conclusion is,israel shuns peace and considers it an unbearable threat.it seeks exclusivity.much more critical the USA and EU want no peace.this being agreed between us,i should one day like your opinion as to why this is so.what is behind u.s.a./e.u./israeli policy.its goals,objectives,endgame? as to you personally-your role is tragic.caught up in a historical process centuries long.you will not see the outcome of your endeavour.nor i.(may i be dead wrong).

soon,many posts,denying israel refuses peace,will demonstrate,in the vilest terms they can,israel's and their desire for peace.all emotion,no reason.(if racism,sadism,inferiority complex etc.,be indeed,"emotions".) but you and i know better.we know the facts and discard all noises masking as meaningful.observing purely facts and acts the only conclusion is,israel shuns peace and considers it an unbearable threat.it seeks exclusivity.much more critical the USA and EU want no peace.this being agreed between us,i should one day like your opinion as to why this is so.what is behind u.s.a./e.u./israeli policy.its goals,objectives,endgame? as to you personally-your role is tragic.caught up in a historical process centuries long.you will not see the outcome of your endeavour.nor i.(may i be dead wrong).

Plain and simple. After the Oslo agreements, all you had to do was keep the peace. Instead, you allowed terrorists to blow themselves up and kill our people- even while Rabin was alive. It's really that simple. You guys blew it once again. If you hadn't, there would have been a Palestinian state long ago. One more thng, as long as you continue to deny Israel's biblical connection to the land, we will never believe you are serious about living side by side in peace.

Bibi called Abbas to hold peace talks and Abbas refused unless Bibi agreed to a whole load of pre conditions before talks even start. Bibi made a good will gesture to encpourage Abbas to come talk of a 10 month settlement freeze ( something no other PM has made previouisly ). Still Abbas refused to talk saying the freeze was not enough. Finnaly in month 9 Obama dragged Abbas to the table kicking and screaming looking for anyway out that would leave Israel looking like the bad guy. The freeze came to an end so Abbas says I am not talking anymore unless you extend the freeze ( more pre conditions ). Bibi coalition would collapse if he made anymore goodwill gestures so he made a counter offer Abbas recognizes Israel as a jewish state in exchange for an extension of the freeze Abbas refused despite the fact that its eventually going to be a condition they will have to accept if they want an agreement. Abbas still demands Bibi drop his condition whilst he is unwilling to drop his own pre conditions. Abbas wants blackmail not negotiations. Bibi has offered a referendum on Jerusalems future, no PM can just offer to give up Jerusalem and survive Bibi has offered a referendum. Bibi is demanding the Jordan Valley and Israeli troops along the border so what the point of negotiation is you discuss all the issues. As usual palestinians want to say we demand this, that and the other and if Israel says it wants something that conflicts with our demands then Israel is trying to sabotage the peace process. Last week in an attempt tp blame Israel Abbas stupidly proudly went on the record and said if we ( palestinians ) were willing to compromise then we would have had an agreement long ago. He admits the palestinians uncompromising stance is the reason why we haven't reached an agreement. The palestinians are very good at playing victim and making sure that Israel is always he;d responsible when talks break down even if its the palestinians who are the responsible for the failure and in most cases they are the ones who were responsible.

If you want the peace talks to move forward Nabil, start accepting and educating your people that Jews have as much a right to Jerusalem as anyone else. I would say more but I'll accept equal from you at this point.

If you want the peace talks to move forward Nabil, start accepting and educating your people that Jews have as much a right to Jerusalem as anyone else. I would say more but I'll accept equal from you at this point.

with decisive negotiations for a two state solution and one wonders what have the parties from all sides been talking about all these months? It's a waiting game perhaps for PM Netanyahu to convince some members of his coalition to get real by proposing their counterproposal for a peace agreement. One thing noticeable, there's nothing mentioned about the challenges the PA faces from Hamas and Islamic Jihad as they don't accept the agreements Israel reached with the PLO either. That's put a great detour to the peace process and brought upon us a few wars, all in the name of resistance.

Israel engaged in the peace process for the sole purpose of "Advancing public relations campaign and buy time to continue its colonial enterprise on occupied territory"

My dear don´t waste your time for negociating..Israel never going to give you a state but solowely will occupay all Palestinian home land. Israel is a Puddo of USA and Jews control USA even this Hussain Obama can not do nothing. Beside these Arabs with long Dishdash (without underwear) call themself Muslims do nothing for poor Palestinians......It´s a shame in the world in this situation....Please keep quite and eat whatever you have......until the Dooms day come.........

As Mr. Sha'ath knows well, the 1967 "borders" were not borders, but an armistice line. His "demand" of a return to the 1967 borders indicates that at least some Palestinians are now willing to admit that they lost the 1948-9 war. It seems to show some kind of disconnect from reality in that it ignores the results of the 1967 war -- in which Jordan attacked Israel, not the other way around. It also seems to show some kind of disconnect from reality in the sense that it is not clear that the Palestinians are in a position to "demand" anything from anyone. Maybe they should "demand" that the Kuwaitis rehire the Palestinians that were kicked out after the first Gulf War and see how far that gets them. . .

He can't talk about the blame game. Israel declared a 10-month freeze on building in the settlements, and only after 9 months did the Palestinians agree to talk. Clearly they want the talks to fail, and the Israelis to take the blame.

Muslm countries??? Did i read you correctly?? Muslim countries.....iike in Jewish State??

but it's just a straightforward statement of the facts. If Israel wants peace, why haven't they accepted the 2002 Arab peace initiative? If they want to seriously negotiate, why won't they reveal their positions, and why invent ridiculous new preconditions every time serious progress seems imminent? If they want to be recognized as a democracy, how can they continue to deny legal representation to 25% of the people under the government's rule? The Palestinian demands have been clearly articulated, but what are they supposed to do when Israel refuses to say what it's after, other than vague statements about keeping the Jordan valley (i.e., making the Palestinian "state" nothing more than a closely guarded reservation)?

Arabs are too dumb to want a real peace with Israel. Ignoring the propaganda of these squatters is the best option.

Who does Mr Sha'at think he's kidding? Any school kid who learns a bit of history knows that in 1921 two thirds of Eretz Yisrael "historic Palestine" as he calls it was amputated and (illegally) given by the British wholesale to the Arabs/Palestinians. The Jews were left with one third of their G-d given Historic homeland which had for 1800 been occupied by Romans, seluecids, mamlucks, christians,ottomans and arabs etc etc.Now the Arabs want ANOTHER 40% of that. So we know who are the real Colonialists and thieves! It is a shame that Haaretz chooses to publish Mr Shaat's ignorant and self righteous drivel .

Who does Mr Sha'at think he's kidding? Any school kid who learns a bit of history knows that in 1921 two thirds of Eretz Yisrael "historic Palestine" as he calls it was amputated and (illegally) given by the British wholesale to the Arabs/Palestinians. The Jews were left with one third of their G-d given Historic homeland which had for 1800 been occupied by Romans, seluecids, mamlucks, christians,ottomans and arabs etc etc.Now the Arabs want ANOTHER 40% of that. So we know who are the real Colonialists and thieves! It is a shame that Haaretz chooses to publish Mr Shaat's ignorant and self righteous drivel .

What do you say !?

Olmert and Barak offered a state to the Palestinians and they refused because of the "right" of return. Abbas is saying that he wants the future Palestinian state to be Judenrein and any Nato or UN force also to be Judenrein. So please Mr Shaath, forfeit the right of return and there will be pease

This does not happen. Another thing that did not happen are elections in Palestine. The conclusion is that West Bank Palestinians prefer to continue with the autonomy they have, albeit with uncomfortable check points and so on, rather than to fight Hamas at home right now. Admittedly, Israel also doesn't see the urgency of talks at this moment, demographic problems are important but never urgent. Catch 22: if there is terror Israel retaliates, and if there is no terror we become lethargic. So both parties are not really enthusiasts. At this moment on the globe the only two persons eager to get the peace talks going are BHO and Sec. Clinton, and I am really not sure about the latter. But a bit of efforts are probably worthwhile, at least to get some sort of interim agreement, or even declaration, together with the fat bonus from uncle Sam, isn't it?

At the Fifth Meeting of the Va'ad Zmani (convened on 9th-11th June 1919 to coincide with the visit of the King-Crane Commission) H.M. KALVARYSKI - in his address- recalled the abortive Jewish-Arab meeting of 1914, and the advice which the disappointed NAZIF Bey-al-KHALIDI had given to Dr. THON: "Gardez-vous bien, Messieurs les sionists: un gouvernment passe, mais un peuple reste." PALESTINE JEWERY AND THE ARAB QUESTION - Niel Caplan - 1978 Publishers: Frank Cass N.Y.

At the Fifth Meeting of the Va'ad Zmani (convened on 9th-11th June 1919 to coincide with the visit of the King-Crane Commission) H.M. KALVARYSKI - in his address- recalled the abortive Jewish-Arab meeting of 1914, and the advice which the disappointed NAZIF Bey-al-KHALIDI had given to Dr. THON: "Gardez-vous bien, Messieurs les sionists: un gouvernment passe, mais un peuple reste." PALESTINE JEWERY AND THE ARAB QUESTION - Niel Caplan - 1978 Publishers: Frank Cass N.Y.

I really feel that Netanyahu is playing a game. He has No DESIRE to make peace or make a two state solution. It is so obvious that he is not willing to yield on any issue, but only create turmoil for the Palestinians. Then he blames Them for not wanting peace.! amazing how the short midget lies!

It seems to be working for the Israeli Right Wing, so far. They even have the US and EU paying for the occupation, ad infinitum.

Israel created this new demand that the Palestinians recognise Israel as a "Jewish" state knowing that the Palestinians could not do so. At the same time when a Palestinian negotiator tried to give an Israeli negotiator in Washington a paper on their position on borders he refused to take it. This happened in the presence of US officials including George Mitchell. So, it's quite clear Israel is not serious about peace.

What the European should learn from their colonial period and ongoing conflicts in Europe. Hopefully the Americans will not be trapped to repeat the same mistakes. *PEOPLE DESIRE TO BE GOVERNED BY THEIR OWN. *ARTIFICAL OR IMPOSED BOARDERS ARE NOT PERMANET SOLLUTIONS. *THEY ARE THE SEEDS OF ONGOING CONFLICTS. A: Example of unsolved conflicts 1:Vive le Quibec Frances? – Solved? 2:Belgian Valones and Flames separation desired- solved? 3:Scottish independence from UK desire- solved? 4:All Balkans wars and conflicts- solved? 5:Wars in Caucuses -solved? 6:Tibetan independencies desire- solved? 7:Burma minorities war for independence solved? 8:African many wars as result of European policy of slip or unite tribes in artificial states -solved? 9:Kurds desire for independence in Turkey and Iraq –solved? 10: Kashmir ? 11: Chasing of Christians and all non Muslims people in Muslim countries? 12; The civil wars Lebanon artificially created by France.-solved? -– B: Solutions example 1:The split of Czechoslovakia into the Czech and Slovakia countries. 2:In the Swiss famous peaceful coexistence between German, France groups a canton has been spleet into: Jura-France and Bern-German. 3: Turkey and Greece don’t fight for the last 90 years following the population exchange between these two countries. Approximately 1.5 million Greeks from Turkey and about half a million Muslims from Greece were uprooted from their homelands. 4:Turkey force partition of Cyprus into a Christian and Muslim control areas is a problem or the solution? Following the partition on the ground no casualties . C: LEASSONS THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUTITY SHOULD IMPLEMENT WHILE SOLVING THE ISREAL – ARBS CONFLICT! 1: Minimize the creation of conflict continuation while defining boarders. 2: Muslims governed by Arabs. Jews and others governed by Israel. 3:Israel will hand over to Palestinian government land inhabited by Arabs from Israel and the Jews from settlements will be governed by Israel. Both the Arabs and Jew will remain in their current homes nobody will have to move physically.

Netanyahu has no intentions of allowing a free, independent Palestine. He and Lieberman have been making inflammatory statements with a hope the Palestinians would react with violence. Instead the violence has come from Israel and the Jewish settlers. Abbas and the Palestinians took the high moral road. The Palestinians made specific proposals; did not resort to nor even threaten violence; and had the demeanor of skilled diplomats. It has been made clear that Israel has colonial ambitions and the Palestinians will continue to be the victims. The USA tried to help Israel, but Israeli hunger for Arab land blonde Israel to rational thought.

and a nice unveiling of Bibi the trickster. [Haaretz, please forward this article to Obama and company!]