Disrupting the separation policy

If you watch the "youtube" videos, Victor, which were filmed by Israeli huma-rights workers, you will see that the marchers have no implements of any kind in their hands, not even stones. They have been making these peaceful protests against the wall which divides their towns and villages for several years now. Victor, my objection is to you constantly posting Dutch's real name, when she chooses to post under the name Dutch. This is a violation of her privacy. Just because you and I use our own names does not mean that everyone else has to. Many pro-Israeli posters use created names too. Your argument with Dutch is that she is a Palestinian-rights supporter, or, as you term it, a "notorious Jew hater". My suggestion is that you keep your critical attacks on her to that topic, rather than what name she chooses to post under.

"And you want the terrorists to kill Israelis and get away with the murder. Your country is killing people in Afghanistan because of bin Laden, who you want to sea dead because he kills Americans. However, you want the pal jihadists alive so the can kill Israelis" If anyone reads the above quoted post from KUTW to me, they will see that every sentence he/she wrote is a statement of what he/she thinks I should have written. KUTW, as you seem content to literally "write my posts for me", we have nothing else to say to each other, do we? If you want to think that the statements you wrote and attributed to me were not written by you, go right ahead. You are free to think whatever you choose.

This will make a much more useful contribution to PEACE in the Middle East and most other conflicts in the world.

Indeed, you can't "occupy" your own territory. It is quite impossible. You can place your own territory under "martial law", but you can't place it under your own "belligerent occupation". And the Israel High Court of Justice has stated time and time again that the territory known as the West Bank has been under IDF belligerent occupation since June 1967. So it has never, ever occurred to you that the Israel High Court of Justice is trying to, you know, tell you something, victor?????

If 30% of Palestinians support Hamas and 30% Palestinians support Fatah, why don't we put those 60% in Gaza and the 40% of the Palestinians who just want peace with Israel placed in the West Bank! Problem solved.

http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

they are dispersed silvienne because if they werent they would attempt to tear down the fence ! i suggest you google doris cadigan who is a notorious jew hater and see why i attack her on trying to fake her posts under the dutch alabe l !

i am still asking you why you disguise yourself as dutch ? why you dont condemn muslim apartheid against women, why you lie and spread hatred in every that prints your filth !

i have now put this challenge out for 3 months and never received an answer . 1917 titles and names of owners ! 1922 and 1948

boredom for the ISM patriots and Peace Now, they must be having withdrawal problems with the end of Bil'in. No more if"it's Friday it must be Bil'in."

Israel was not summoned to Hague. When the tribunal issued was just an opinion. We know that the Israelis do not have the right to defend themselves with a barrier or with any other means because terrorism against them is legal. However, I encourage Israel to defend itself and the lives of its citizens by any means and do not like terrorists, even if terrorism is legal.

And you want the terrorists to kill Israelis and get away with the murder. Your country is killing people in Afghanistan because of bin Laden, who you want to sea dead because he kills Americans. However, you want the pal jihadists alive so the can kill Israelis.

Dakkar, I believe you need to take off your own blinders and get the full perspective. What is the disruption daily to a bunch of school kids in Sderot from a few home- made Qassams rockets compared to the devastation an entire civilian population has had to endure living their lives under a belligerent Israeli Occupation as Dr. Alice Rothchild noted in her report from Gaza in 2005 from Gaza (see below )and now after a year and half of a devastation economic boycotts which has crippled their economy and a God damn awful wall that makes their ordinary lives almost intolerable as Jimmy Carter said in one of his conference on his latest book, Peace not Apartheid. So please stop making a mountain out of a molehill and the full perspective. Dutch P.S. Dr. Rothchild's Report from Gaza in 2005: "We witnessed the devastating consequences for the civilian population of years of Israeli military operations. The checkpoints, closures and the severe restriction on movement and economic activity have contributed to rising unemployment, poverty accompanied by unusually high rates of infant mortality, acute and chronic mal- nutrition and inadequate outpatient and hospital care. At the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, Dr. Eyad el Sarraj spoke of an entire population suffering from the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety and depression, a consequence of high unemployment, extreme poverty and massive exposure to violence. A recent study by the program of 10- to 19-year-olds in Gaza found that two thirds have seen a friend or neighbor killed or wounded, more than one-third have been tear- gassed and 82 percent suffer from moderate to severe PTSD." (Full report http://www.vopj.org/conflict22.htm ) Dutch P.P.S. Now the Suffering in Numbers today: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/858/re102.htm

"to move the separation fence in Bil'in proves nothing about the effectiveness of the popular Palestinian-Israeli struggle..." Wrong. That decision wanted to "prove" that the rest of the APARTHEID WALL was legal. And the "SUPREME" court has succeeded in that matter.

"to move the separation fence in Bil'in proves nothing about the effectiveness of the popular Palestinian-Israeli struggle..." Wrong. That decision wanted to "prove" that the rest of the APARTHEID WALL was legal. And the "SUPREME" court has succeeded in that matter.

States people are beginning to get wise to what is going on over there.

Haha!! Well said!!

Thank you for your post. I was only pointing out that the Palestinians are the ones doing all the dying, and the last three children killed by the IDF were not collecting launchers, as the IDF admitted. And that is not to say I condone the Kassams being fired at Israel. I do not. But, if this situation between Gaza and Israel is a war, then why does Israel complain so constantly about the Kassams? The IDF is not slow to respond, as the recent Palestinian deaths - on average several a month - show all too well. I can't see a peaceful solution myself, and I have thought about it a lot. It seems like a no-win scenario all around, unfortunately.

"you still dont tell talkback why you hide behind the fraudulent dutch character??" What is "fraudulent" about her posting under the created name of Dutch? Many posters on both sides use created names or one name only. Are you going to call them all "fraudulent?" I use my own name, and assume so do you, but I don't understand why you and others enjoy posting Dutch's real name so often. Victor, it isn't important...

"when the rabble rousers who make trouble every week at the anti terrorist fence realise this then the ideals of any state...." Actually, Victor, non-violent peaceful protests have taken place at the Separation Wall every week in villages and towns in the West Bank. These marches are attended by Israelis, Palestinians and Internationals. The violence, clearly documented and recorded, is on the part of the IDF who meets them every week to "disperse" them, with tear gas, rubber bullets, batons and sometimes live fire.

Discussion over! Alon Fisher has explained "everything". It is ALL the fault of the Palestinians, they are not prepared to accept their fate at the hands of the Russian immigrants. They should NOT fight back, they should be like the Jews in Europe in WW11. (in very similar circumstances) As for the NICE boys of the IDF, they would remain "nice" if only the Palestinians would stay inside their various "prisons" and not cause them to get "IRRITABLE". So, message to the Palestinians: it is time for you to realise that the Israelis only want what is BEST for you. (your elimination) Now, be good and do NOT upset the "moral, peace-loving" occupiers from Europe. GOT IT!

From today's issue of "The Jerusalem Post": Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni made progress in her push for broader ties with the Arab world Tuesday, meeting with Qatari and Omani leaders during her visit to the United Nations. Her unscheduled meeting with Qatari Emir Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani on Tuesday was the highest-ever level of contact between Israeli and Qatari officials, according to the Foreign Ministry. A source in the delegation called the half-hour meeting, which took place in private Qatari offices outside the UN, "very, very warm." He also highlighted the willingness on the part of Qatar to make the event public as a sign of its significance. Nobody cares about your darling Palestinians anymore, Ms. Haas. Either they get rid of their extremists or their life will continue to be miserable, in spite of all your well written and useless rethorica.

The everyday security of each and every Israeli citizen" does not, I assume, include to you gentile Israeli citizens, for whose wellbeing you are notably unconcerned. I can see how you are uncomfortable when I compare the Afrikaaners' saying that they had to impose those measures because otherwise they would lose their homeland with what you say.If I were in your situation, I would be embarrassed by the similarity also.

I regret the killing of any child. However, when a war is going on, parents should keep their children away from rocket-launchers. The airforce targets terrorists coming to collect launchers. Therefore, it is absolutely imperitive that children keep away from them.

You got to beleive in the principle that the Jews have a right to return to Israel and live there they are not a occupation force.If the Peace movement that not share this belief than in all fairness they should give Tel Aviv to the Arabs and all Jews that come after 1948 or their children and grand children should return to their country of origin

Only a few weeks ago here on Haaretz it was reported that two children in Gaza were killed one day, and three more a few days later. The latter three were only playing, as the IDF admitted. Rocks are not so lethal as bullets.

Supply sufficient water and fuel.Oh forgot to mention.Build thousands of settlements and roads for Palestinians only, on their land and arrest any trouble makers.Bulldoze their Family homes and shoot anyone who complains. Do that for 40+ years and then see if they want to make friends and cozy up.

You can't show the Israelis that there are other Palestinians.

Your piece is a reminder to savor the glimmers of hope, and the humanity which is forgotten when people talk about 'Arabs'. En sha'allah, the Palestinian People will be free from the oppression of the Israeli government and military forces, and given the opportunity to rule themselves.

" Pals don?t cease to harass the Israelis" Kim, Until the Israeli army and settlers pull out of the Palestinian territories the Palestinian groups won't stop harasing Israelis. That's the long and short of it. Dutch

The people of Sderot have endured over 2,000 rockets launched at them. The Gazans are sadistic. When a qassam fell on a school, the terrorists said it was a gift for the children on the first day of the school year.

You are right. And the Pals should be delayed for longer time.

Kim, The justices in the Hague have aleady deemed the defensive barrier illegally placed and must be moved. Hence Israelis have no right to protect themselves from an illegal barrier. So please don't grant them rights they don't have. It makes no sense. Dutch

Israel loses more of its right to exist.

Israel could remove the Start of David from its flag and replace it with the statue of LIBRITY and it will still be Apartheid State. Laws of Apartheid in Israel speak louder than any public relation campaign to improve your image.

Daakkar, Homemake Qassams rarely cause extensive damage or serious personal injury. Yet the Israeli Amy's air strikes melt both flesh and metal. Plus Qassams are nothing compared with the deadly artillery shells the Israeli army has fired into Gaza. So count your blessings. Someday you may wish for Qassams over scud missiles. You never know. Thanks, Dutch

Kim, If Israel wasn't illegally occupying the Palestinian territories I doubt if Palestinian terrorists would be in Israel wishing to harm Israelis. Still how are your so called Palestinian terrorists any different from the Israeli Army terrorists who roam freely in Palestinian towns and villages and kill Palestinians at will too? Please watch your double stanadards. Shouldn't the Palestinian people have every right to protect themselves from Israeli Army terror cells too? You know , a peoples' needs for security works both ways. That's the equal part in human rights too. In case you forgot. Dutch

Thank you for attempting to prove your point about politics with completely unrelated (and scientifically unsubstantiated) observations about gender.

It doesnt bother you that Israeli children's schools are shut around the Gaza area because of the qassam attacks. It doesnt bother you that every day, molotov cocktails and rocks are lobbed at Israeli citizens. You need a pair of bi-focal glasses/

Apparently the bomb-belt to be used in Saturdays suicide bombing in Tel Aviv was brought into Israel through a check-point. Probably in a car. If that be the case, checks & searches need to be a lot more thorough to prevent this happening again.

Thx your post. I know also of gaza mothers who are against their children being bused to the front-line by Hamas and other groups. They round the children up from their schools and take them to be used as human shields, collecting rocket launchers, rock-lobbing etc. The mothers say they are powerless to do anything for fear of reprisals from the terrorist groups. Maybe in the end the revolution will come from the streets, but Hamas are well capable of shooting their own.

Dakkar, Why don't Israelis demonstrate against their government for building illegal settlements in the Palestinian territories and populating them with foreigners & gypsies from all over the world and refuse to let the Palestinians return to their homes. In addition, to giving the settlers generous incentives and by pass roads while ordinary Israelis sweat and toil at their jobs daily and pay taxes and get stuck in traffic. Plus their sons and daughters are taken from them to man & oppress another civilian people and they are told they are heroes as if the state told them this was evil and sinful they wouldn't cooperate and do it. And instead of securing the state's future they are ensuring its demise as one day they will be bombed out of their houses and country when the Arabs won't take anymore of their aggression. By then no one will feel sorry for them & people will say where were your brains & tongues? You know what silence did before ? Dutch

You are commenting an Amira Hass article writen for an Israeli newspaper

but there are no other Palestinians

THE FENCE IS THERE WITH THE CHECKPOINTS BECAUSE PALIS HAVE A NASTY HABIT OF BLOWING THEMSELVES UP ON BUSES,CAFES,NITECLUBS ETC, THE SOLDIERS AT CHECKPOINTS,SOME ARE NICE OTHERS NOT SO NICE!!!! the IDF is a conscript army,meaning allsorts of ppl come into its fold,do you obviously think 18-19 year old Israeli kids enjoy gaurding checkpoints???that would even make the worst Israel basher irritable,Clickfool would be abusive within 2 hours of gaurding a checkpoint.

the shameless twins will not protect their homeland but have no problem with prostrating themselves before the muslim world. ravi-lakshmi you wretch why are there 250000 indian soldiers looting pillaging and raping the women in kashmir? the muslims are 67% of the population of kashmir.why do you occupy and humiliate them?

Amira Hass always speaks in favour of the terrorists. Is this a voice for civilization?

Israel does not have a "separation policy". Israel does have a "we don't want our civilians blown up by Arab terrorists" policy. Saying that Israel has a "separation policy" is like saying that German Jews in the 1930s had an "emigration policy" - in both cases, the Jewish "policy" is the only reasonable reaction to the effort of its enemies to wipe it off the face of the earth.

You want to see the Palestinian people free? They're already free to attack Christians, and trash Churches in Gaza. You want to open the West Bank to their persecution as well? Free the PAls from Hamas and the rest will follow.

You would like the terrorists to be allowed into Israel without restrictions.

If there is a right to protest the defensive barrier, this means it is right to murder Israelis.

Sometimes pals have jumped over it carrying explosive belts and weaponry.

Amira, Thank you telling the truth in the face of bigotry and hate, and for reminding the world that there are some ethical Israelis, who are not afraid to stand up and be counted.

They are constantly launching qassams at Israel and trying to commit terror attacks. They also fire at Israeli hijackers.

Israeli priority is to protect the Israelis from pal terrorism.

The cynicism of ur Arab locutioner is understandable , and proves that u speak to bright Arabs.Have u spoken to any Arab dummies lately? I advise u to; u might write a different type of column and I might enjoy reading it. Like it or not , u r on the wrong side of history. Not that Arabs dont get it in the neck from Israelis ; they do. But u misunderstand the nature of the struggle that Israel is waging and who r its real enemies. U are loyal to JStalin . That man was as big an antisemite as Hitler. Their difference: Hitler started out to destroy Israel and Jewry earlier. But Stalinist antisemitism has a more lasting quality , which u dont want to recognize. Wityhout him the A-I problem would likely have been solved a long time ago. Now we got to wait until the Arab world has no more oil to offer the world. Being nice will not do too much.

There should be more checkpoints. Terrorists are being detained inside Israel when they were about to commit terrorist attacks.

Amira I hope that while you are standing on a street corner in Ramallah, eavesdropping on peoples conversations,you are wearing a bullet proof vest.

Do see the piece by Khaled Toameh in Jpost today about Hamas allowing attacks on Christians in Gaza. People in Gaza are protesting the Hamas regime. At great personal risk. Amira and Haaretz just have a blind eye when it's not Israelis doing the attacking or repressing.

What are they still doing in Israel living as ?occupiers??

It is much better if the pals have their lives disrupted by the fence than if Israelis get murdered.

Israel needs ithe fence because of the pal terrorists, who that pal woman ignores. This is the core of the matter. Werent there terrorists among the pals, the fence would not be needed, with or without the High Court of Justice decision, with or without democracy.

"if there are other Pals, how come we don`t see them conducting even token protests against bus bombs, shootings and rocket attacks?" Why do Israelis expect any denounciation of Israel to come with an equal condemnation of Arab terrorism and tyranny? If they really believed this argument they would balance any denounciation Arab/muslim tyranny/terrorism with criticism of Israel. It is a demonstrable double standard and a rhetorical slight of hand.

Every day, the fashionable Israelis go down to Bilin and protest, then they return to TA to party. It is a protest to make themselves look good. If the activists want to really make a point, they should sell their houses in our racist zionist entity, and move to jenin and nablus. Put Hass, Benveniste, Rubinstein, Eldar and all the other party animals on the other side of the anti-terror wall.

If the ahmad on the street wants improved life and conditions, why dont the Palestinians demonstrate against their leadership, who they democratically voted for? Where is the pressure to stop the qassams, attempted suicide-bombings, drive-by shootings, ambush shootings, molotov cocktails, rock-lobbing etc etc It is these actions that led to raising of security barrier. Its time for the Pal people to take responsibility,

Hass certainly DOES show those Palestininas the "other Israelis". The ones that wont fight, the ones that run away from thier country and responsibilities, the ones that choose arabs over Jwes.... those kind. Machsom watch and their actions mean nothing - its like using Moveon.org as a proof for something. You gotta love how Haaretz lists all the fifth column groups (like we care). Give us back out holy sites, give us back our land and join the rest of humainty and YOUR lives wil get better. Steal of holy sites, take our land, kill our children and YOUR lives will be miserable.

"All it has been doing for the last 40 years is create the next generation of terrorist when a Pal child sees its home bulldozed, its parents humiliated daily, its school closed and its friends harrassed." Hello Don Camillo, Your point is well made and If I may add Israel is also creating another generations of land thieves and outlaws. Hence this conflict cannot remain in Israeli hands or American hands anymore. It should go back to the UN for timetables and final borders . The Palestinian people have waited too long. Dutch P.S, Have you read Rabbi Lerners' position on moving this along too? http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/tik0709/frontpage/israellobby/base_view

Of course there are " other Israelis", like Amira Hass for example , those who wish to put an end to Israel as a Jewisah State. The silly woman talks nonsense as usual

The only good Israeli for Palestinians is a dead Israeli

Suffice it to say that Haas spends all her time and energy trying to prove to the terrorists that she is a good Jew. For this she is willing to betray her people and her country every day through lies and distortions of the truth. Well well well, what we have here is a person with a personality disorder desperately trying to achieve the impossible. What kind of childhood did she have to hate her people so much? I wonder.

or are they all like the terrorists from Hamas, Jihad, etc?? and if there are other Pals, how come we don't see them conducting even token protests against bus bombs, shootings and rocket attacks?

in her long rantings SHE NEVER TELLS US WHY ITS HAPPENING !! one day doris will wake up up and find she has wasted her life on anti semitism ! she might also tell us about the doppelganger DUTCH ?

there are some.... sadly too few

The responses show how hard is for us, the Israelis, and those apparently pro Israelis, to open their minds to some criticism. We fight against any attempt to combat ignorance of what is happening in the territories. The oppresive regime there. It was the same with the population in other times and other places when the victim was the Jewish community. Nobody heard, nobody knew.

In the name of Moses, SET THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE FREE!

Amira, You might appreciate this when I reading about Reagan's famous speech at the Brandenburg Gate in West Berlin in 1987, (see URL http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/wall.asp http://www.rd.com/content/ronald-reagans-berlin-wall-speech/ ) I came across an article about the Berlin Wall and a resident of West Berlin explained how he had passed the wall almost daily for 20 yrs and wondered-- Who was more a threat to the West, the gate- keepers or those penned inside? How on point!!!!!!!!!!! Dutch

Shalom Freedman, the Palestinians are not colonising Israel. Israel is colonising their homeland. Any one who tries to disguise this fact is a moral coward.

Amira sees only the Palestinian side. She has no feeling or sympathy for Israelis. She in all the years never showed any real feeling for victims of Arab terror. She totally identifies with the 'other side' who she sees as the 'innocent victims'. Such one- sidedness, and prejudice may make her the hit of Anti- Israel and Anti- Semitic websites but they disqualify her as objective and honest reporter.

There are hundreds of "intelligent" ones prostituting their "intelligence" in the serivce of colonisation, racism and genocide. Amira Hass is not one of those "intelligent" individuals.

a "brave soul" is not therefore an intelligent one.

In a recent article in the Jerusalem Post one of the anarchists glorified the settler demonstrations against the pull out from Gaza. They don't seem to be driven by morality only childish anti 'any' state politics.

Amira, I am glad someone is disrupting the reality of the separation policy over there. Here it what one Israeli peace activist Gila Svirsky had to say about its dreadful presence: "On a humanitarian grounds , the law is unconscionable. It prevents Palestinians access to farmland, schools, hospitals, and jobs. Picture your children having to wait at the wall twice a day for soldiers to show up and unlock the gate, allowing them to get to school, Picture the farmer who made a living from his olive tress, which are now inaccess- ible or have been felledconstruction. Imagine, that suddenly you need to see a doctor but have no permit to get through, Imagine that you simply want to visit your elderly mother but the way comes between you. According to B"Tselem, the Israeli human rights organization by the time the wall is completed some 33% of Palestinians will find their lives dis- rupted and their livelihood discontinued. The presence of the wall is not only cruel to Palestinians, it will ulitimately harm Israeli security. Is this the kind of security the wall will provide? In some localities, civilians are now entirely encirciled by a 30 foot -high , gray concrete battlement interrrupted only by watch towers from where soldiers train binoculars and automatic rifles on the residents below. If other Israelis saw it , I hope they would be shocked... As a Jew whose ancestors were confined to ghettos...I find this horrifying." Dutch

when arabs stop attacking israel and muslim countries recognise it then the question of what is moral could be examined ? until then don the important daily factor is survival just as the moral dilemma of ww2 for example were whether to carpet bomb germany and kill civillians or to atom bomb japan to force surrender? your brainless bletherings in these columns brings the requisite responses !

Imbeciles thrive on ranting, raving, slandering, abusing, intimidating red necks. Not on facts, reasoned argument and logic. Amira Hass is one of the handful of the brave souls who dare say that the emperor is unclothed.

the presence of law enforcers amongst the terrorists jb is how you describe it ? as usual the question why goes with the word resposibility !

es as the harbinger of irresponsible rabble rousing jew hating correspendence year after year doris no doubt you think being irresponsible is ok ? you still dont tell talkback why you hide behind the fraudulent dutch character??

The Arabs of the Land of Israel consistently demonstrate that they don't want, can't make and won't maintain real peace. They do want, however, to weaken Israel by gaining territory without 'giving' anything tangible. They ignore that "possession is nine tenths of the law" and that it's rather the Arabs who should come forward and spell out what they offer Israel in return for what they want. They also pretend not to get it that in this case "land for peace" is both immoral and unworkable. The Arabs had used the 'territories' to threaten, pester and attack Israel before we took these territories in self defence. They continue to plan, prepare and perpetrate genocide against Israel and pretend not to see that it would be suicidal for Israel to concede anything in response to their aggressive threats and action. The Arabs must realize that the only way toward peace is that rather they themselves should offer, accept and be convincingly satisfied with 'painful' territorial compromises.

" And the same High Court that moved the fence also legitimized the Jewish neighborhood that had already been built on Bil'in's private land." Amira, What a schizophrenic like personality the Israeli Supreme court has. It never deals directly with international law and the reality it is obligated to abide by. You and others might appreciate the following perspectives. See the URLS below. Thanks, Dutch http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/archive/1167738426/ and http://jewishvoices.squarespace.com/law/

the Jordan? Well, let's consider some hard facts: The Arabs of Western Eretz Yisrael have consistently demonstrated that they are incapable of surviving unaided or ruling themselves, especially at the national polity level. They have never exercised their inherent right of self determination and now they rely on others to determine and create that Mickey Mouse "state" which will never be. They constantly kill and steal from each other and lie to themselves, each other and the rest of the world. They never miss any opportunity to make atrocious choices and mistakes and they are incapable of sustaining and providing for themselves; they depend on others for everything. How on earth will they ever make it?

You say: "it is true that women are less intelligent." This tells us all that you are rather un-intelligent becaue it is not at all true!

The authority that comes from being an Occupying Power brings with it obligations owed BY the occupier TOWARDS the occupied. And those are obligations that the IDF has abrogated for 40 years as it has systematically oppressed the occupied in order to advantage the illegal colonizers - the settlers. When the occupying power refuses to use its authority to protect the persons under occupation then it has no right to object when they resist that occupation. Israelis would, victor, if the situation were reversed. You can bet on that....

detached from reality, also in South Africa. You should make a distinction betwee "Israel's wellbeing" and "the everyday security of each and every Israeli citizen", which in the view of most Israelis does trump most other considerations, especially the wellbeing of the Palestinean Arabs. Your attempt at casting us into an anlogy with the South African conflict deserves contempt because of the utter ignorance and lack of intellectual integrity it demonstrates.

Attacking the author and posters who agree with her report is typical of the racist bigot who brings shame to the majority of Israelis who want peace - not 40 more years of violence. Only the completely insane can believe that current apartheid, exclusive and racist methods of subjugation and harrassment will yiled something different after 40 years of repeating the brutal suppression in the hope that somehow this time it will have a better outcome. If the Israeli Government is acting in good faith when it says it wants peace then it should provde genuine incentives. All it has been doing for the last 40 years is create the next generation of terrorist when a Pal child sees its home bulldozed, its parents humiliated daily, its school closed and its friends harrassed. Such treatment might satisfy the malice of Magav thugs at checkpoints and their blind-eyed, deaf-eared commanders,but it does nothing to foster hope for peace.

While this lady sat, unharrassed, in her Ramallah cafe enjoying a cafe shachor and breaking her fast Israeli intelligence agencies passed on information to special police forces allowing them to raid a Tel Aviv apartment containing a suicide bomb-belt destined to be used against us on Yom Kippur, our holiest day. The intended bomber, meanwhile, was stuck in the West Bank, unable to reach his little cell of murderous pigs because of the wall that Amira so regularly criticises. When will you speak about that aspect of our neighbours? You are a half blind fool Amira, and one day you will learn that although the frog may take the scorpion across the river, the scorpion will still sting him, even when it is against his better interests.

and promote real peace. Israel should let Hamas to depose Abbas and smash Fatah, also in Judea and Samaria, on their way to abolish the PA and wipe it off the world map and consciousness. It will also open the way for the Kingdom of Jordan to take charge as the only viable nation state of all the Arabs of Greater Palestine. Having got rid of the PA, Israel and Jordan should agree on the border between them in Judea and Samaria and maybe cede Gaza to Egypt that would sort it out quite smartly. Everybody, Jews and Arabs, should continue to live in peace where they are and nobody should move from their homes or land. Israelis who would thus become residents of the Kingdom of Jordan should be given rights and conditions like the Arabs in Israel.

No, as a matter of fact, rights do not depend on responsibility. There are basic human rights which inhere to every person. Your problem is that you don't accept Palestinians as people and feel that Israel's wellbeing trumps every other consideration. I'm not surprised ; the Afrikaners felt the same way about THEIR locals.

Amira, Pay little attention to the hardline nonsense Victor Hardman. Try putting that wall in front of his face and I am sure one would hear him screaming all the way from T/A. Of course, people have a right to complain and protest against that evil separation fence. It is a fence against the world as the UN body voted 150-10 against it & all but one justice on the 14 justice panel at the Hague voted to dismantle it. Hence Israel should be sanctioned for keeping it place. It's just sinful the way it separates people from one another and their land & from essential services. I wish Ronald Reagan were alive I feel for sure he would say, "Take down that wall, Israel! " And that's exactly what the High Court should do or at least place it along the GL so people can come together in better understanding of one another and promote peace in the long run. Dutch

It is not true that Palestinians know only settlers and soldiers. One of them for instance just created headlines. He worked in Israel. Fortunately the secret service seized his explosive belt in Tel Aviv which should have killed as many Israeli civilians as possible on Yom Kippur. This is the hard fact behind the lukewarm story of Amira Hass.

I agree with Amira that not all Israelis have the same settler and military mentality and it is regrettable that only these 2 negative groups are always in the picture. I am corresponding with several Jews on a Jewish/Israeli-Arab forum and they are not at all for this kind of separation and treatment of Palestinians. Apartheid does exist but not with all Israelis and the ugly actions of the few are undeservingly reflected on all the rest.

look at the absence of one single intelligent female journalist writing for haaretz. but you are at the bottom of the pile in your paper. your stock in trade is putting israel down.and that is how you earn your living.the simple truth.why would anyone read you otherwise?

Israels system of dealing with the Palestinians has institutional harassment built in. It works equally well whether the IDF enforcers are apple cheeked lefties or shifty eyed bullys. Every rule, regulation, and law which affects the Palestinians has a dual purpose, one to address the issue and one to harass the Palestinians. For example, the dividing wall is meant to secure the border and to steal land. The roadblocks are meant to provide security and deny freedom of movement to the Palestinians. Oft times the Israeli action has no purpose other than harassment as in the recent refusal to let the Palestinian students proceed out of Gaza to their international schools. There is no active left wing to speak of which exists in Israel. If there were, they would be harassed more than the Palestinians are.

when the rabble rousers who make trouble every week at the anti terrorist fence realise this then the ideals of any state can be realised ! all of amira outbursts suffer from the same lack !! all left wingers suffer from this myopia and there appears to be no cure !