At least the U.S. admits its mistakes

I, personally, don't know what the deal is with Rupert Murdochs mother, but I don't think quoting from David Irving's personal web site makes much sense. The man is on trial in Europe for repeatedly lying about the Holocaust and calling it journalism. Seems a bit odd to quote and cite something from someone who has been so blatant in his lies about Jews that he's actually on trial. Absent other coorberating information, I'm now more inclined to disbelieve this "Murdoch is a Jew" silliness than I was before. Cited from a responsible news source earlier in this posting, and again below, we find that "The Murdoch family trust recently donated $10 million towards the building of a new Roman Catholic cathedral in Los Angeles and last year he was awarded a Papal 'knighthood'". http://www.bjr.org.uk/data/1999/no4_hagerty.htm Sounds kinda Catholic to me.

When Sarid is unhappy I am happy.

Your knowledge of Torah and the prophets is non-existant. The Pascal lamb has nothing to do with Moshiach. The lamb was worshiped in Egypt as a sacred animal. It was an object of Egyptian idolatry. That is why it was killed and eaten. Isaiah 53 clearly speaks of the Jewish people. If you know any Jewish history at all, you can see how it relates.

Dear Arik. I am sure you saw over and over the planes fly into the WTC. Making fires on stairways to coincide with the crashes is a fantasy. Millions of gallons of jet fuel on the other hand is quite real. $600,000 to investigate. More than that was spent in one month. You are as American said, willingly gullible. You want to believe that the US did this to itself. Explain please why Osama took credit? Maybe he works for the US?

"Rupert's father Sir Keith Murdoch [see below] attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife's connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town. For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew... check it out yourself : http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/05/Murdoch2.html

This is unacceptable how big the pile of BS has become. Zionists are arguing with Palestinians over whether or not the US came to Iraq for Israel's sake. The main issue between these two groups is that the one occupies the land of the other. The US invasion of Iraq has had many effects, key among which (although unintentional) is to de-focus attention from Israeli atrocities in Palestine. URI, thank you for being sane Jane, wake up please, u talk as if the US is an altruistic mission to improve the world and spread democracy, please do not forget the Algerian experience, when democracy was not allowed its due course in order to prevent an Islamic government. Most (despotic, undemocratic) Middle East governments are on good terms with the US, eg Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar etc....

Uhm...go after the people that commited the atrocist act. THEY DID Not attacking one of their enemies who was Muslim only when it helps him (that is Saddam). THIS WAS STEP 2..... You also seem to lack any knowlede of the average Moslem. Wahhabi Sunni Islam and Islamo-fascist are one thing (which Saddam was neither, and Iraq as a culture was not). SO WHAT.. Also, Islam now is the problem, but Christians have done more murders and commited more oppresion then Muslims ever did. WE ARE TALKING ABOUNT NOW Judaism is historically, culturally and religously more in commen with Islam then with Christianity. SO WHAT AND I DISAGREE ANWAY Prior to the creation of Israel, Jews had more freedoms in Islamic countries then they did in Christian nations. SO DHIMMITUDE IS ONLY POST 1948 Most of the rediculous stories and stereotypes Arab/Persian Muslims have used they learned from European Christians. WERE THEY FORCED TO COPY THEM Also, without Islam (who revived the knowledge the Greeks got from the Egyptians) who knows how long Europe would have been in the so-called "Dark Ages." YOUR POINT ? Yes, there is no "magic solution" but choosing "awful ones" isn`t the answer, unless you want things to get worse. DO YOU SEE ANY SOLUTION NO MATTER WHAT POLICY IS ADOPTED BY THE WEST ? Would you have supported the U.S. if FDR decided to attack China after W.W. II? I mean, hey they are both Asian nations, who cares if they were enemies (like Saddam and Usama). YOU NEED TO ELABORATE COS THIS HAS NO RELEVANCE...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WORLDWIDE THREAT

UAE...skyscrapers....using oil money....i'm talking Foreign Direct Investment .... UAE is a tourist/shopping centre attraction..... where is the industry ? what is the arab world doing to create real jobs ?

"I could go start citing evidence to this effect, but anyone who is still inclined to deny the truth of what I say after the last five years will continue to deny it no matter what I say." Those who are denying what you say are encouraged by your lack of specifics. If the evidence you cite is supported by fact and independant verification, it, and it alone, supports your assertion. Otherwise, what's the point?

Kahlid says: "The vast bulk of Jews who immigrated from the Arab world were pressurized by ZIonism to leave. ZIonism carried out every conceivable trick and pressure tactic to get them to leave in order to effect Zionism." This is similar to what happened to the Palestinians who left Israel in '48. They were pressured and subjected to tricks of every kind by the surrounding Arab nations. The majority of them left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. However, just as there was some injustices actually perpetrated by Israeli militia against Palestinians, there were some injustices (land and property seizures, the occasional riots that brought death and destruction) carried out against Jews in their respective Arab countries. I'd have to guess that, on the whole, there was a fair amount of symmetry. If so, it makes the last 50+ years of Palestinian destitude all the more tragic. By the end of World War II, 100 million people had been displaced. When India and Pakistan were split, 7 to 8 million Hindus left Pakistan and were absorbed by India. 7 to 8 million Muslims left India and were absorbed by Pakistan. In the same year, Israel and Palestine were to become two sepoarate countries. 800,000 Jews left Aribic countries and were absorbed by Israel. 800,000 Palestinians left Israel and were put in refugee camps (some of them actually in Palestine) where they have languished for over half a century. Four new countries, all of them poor and feeling like they didn't get what they deserved. Four groups of people pushed out of their homes and into countries that were established specifically so they would have a place to be where they could be part of a majority in charge of their own destiny. I ask in all seriousness, what is your take, Kahlid (and anybody else), on what happened to this nacent Palestinian country that was to be. You can't blame the occupation, there wasn't one until 20 years later. You can't blame the U.S., they were quite busy worrying about the Russians and fighting communists in Korea. France and England were also busy rebuilding. Why in the years following the movement of refugees and the settling down to the ceasefire lines of the 1949 war that settled Israel's existance, didn't Palestine develop into a country like India, Pakistan, or Israel?

Yossi Sarid, I have read your piece. Whose side are you on?

#14 Please save the "wrath of God" dribble on the USA. No doubt Katrina was a direct result of the USA supporting the Gaza Withdrawel which is exactly what Jew hating terrorists were hoping for. (Too bad peaceful Palastinian families have to be in the middle of it). Also, if you want to play the judgment of God card, Indonesia is the LARGEST MUSLIM population in the world, Pakistan is also a MUSLIM country, Katrina had 1,000 dead, between Pakistan & Indonesia the death toll was almost a half a million. Hate, hate, hate....death, death, death....I thought that was Satan's personality, but you say it's Allah, go figure.

The writer of this article should admit his mistake- that during the first Gulf war Iraq did have chemical weapons and the ability ti use them on Israel and thus the need for gas masks. Iraq destroyed those weapons after the first gulf war to get her 100,000 prisoners back and have the food for oil deal.

When it comes to killings in the West Bank and Gaza, the IDF does routinely manufacture utterly mendacious claims about who the victims were, what they were doing, and why and how they were killed. I could go start citing evidence to this effect, but anyone who is still inclined to deny the truth of what I say after the last five years will continue to deny it no matter what I say. I will observe that all the evidence is that the IDF operates an informal mechanism of permitting virtually random reprisal killings in a ratio of anywhere from about 2:1 to about 10:1 for each killing carried out by the Palestinians. There's a bombing, and it's gloves off for a while. A few women, children, people on their way to work get whacked, and then discipline is restored. Of course, the Palestinians view their killings as reprisals for the IDF's killings, and so round and round we go.

Hi Dan, I work for peace constantly. Most Palestinians do the same. The vast bulk of Jews who immigrated from the Arab world were pressurized by ZIonism to leave. ZIonism carried out every conceivable trick and pressure tactic to get them to leave in order to effect Zionism. Yes, suicide bombings don't make peace, but neither settlement buildings and the rape of an entire nation by Israel. Khalid

You state, "[W]hat choice did the world led by the USA have after 9/11?" Uhm...go after the people that commited the atrocist act. Not attacking one of their enemies who was Muslim only when it helps him (that is Saddam). You also seem to lack any knowlede of the average Moslem. Wahhabi Sunni Islam and Islamo-fascist are one thing (which Saddam was neither, and Iraq as a culture was not). Also, Islam now is the problem, but Christians have done more murders and commited more oppresion then Muslims ever did. Judaism is historically, culturally and religously more in commen with Islam then with Christianity. Prior to the creation of Israel, Jews had more freedoms in Islamic countries then they did in Christian nations. Most of the rediculous stories and stereotypes Arab/Persian Muslims have used they learned from European Christians. Also, without Islam (who revived the knowledge the Greeks got from the Egyptians) who knows how long Europe would have been in the so-called "Dark Ages." Yes, there is no "magic solution" but choosing "awful ones" isn't the answer, unless you want things to get worse. Would you have supported the U.S. if FDR decided to attack China after W.W. II? I mean, hey they are both Asian nations, who cares if they were enemies (like Saddam and Usama).

Although the general flow of their PR operations is well known, you never know what will happen next in any details. So, now Mr.Sarid, like a playful kitten, rushes to the scene, produces his opinion, and the next thing you know is that it is all gone. How GWB's "admission of mistakes" is related with the real world, I cannot even imagine, but PR artistry of this cute little piece is unquestionable. Yossi Sarid. At least the U.S. admits its mistakes: http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/663139.html

Anyone is certainly on safe ground these days criticizing the Iraq War. Sarid is wrong, though, Bush won't be the one to end the war, as long as he is in office, American troops will stay there. As for the war itself, only time will tell what it's final effects are, and whether it was worthwhile or not. True, it has caused widespread death and destruction, but so do all wars. Maybe the mistake was not going to war, but thinking that America or anyone else can have a war on the cheap. One can argue that the worst wars are the ones that aren't finished.

Yossi, as usual has it all wrong. Yossi should be tied to an Israeli missile and shot into Iraq.

It would be more entertaining and have the equivalent level of expertise.We though you were retiring Yossi.Please?

Khalid, Was it o.k. Kicking out the Jews from Iraq, Egypt, and Syria and confiscate their property? You see we blame each other constantly. It does not solve anything just suffering is increased. Israelis and Palestinians can put their minds and hearts tougher with sincerity and honesty and turn their lands in to paradise. The way to paradise is in peace not in suicide bombing. We children of the same mother and father and we should work for a better world. Peace will be made when we will be able to recognize the humanity, joy, pain, and suffering in each one of us.

Hello Jacques I have sent you a few posts on one of the other forums to give you the wesites informations. Ha'aretz didn't feel fit to put them out.Sorry I am glad you are enjoying yourself here at Khalid's discomfiture,he deserves it for sure! Now,when you go to the other forums(if you haven't done so already) Please read all Kim's posts to me and you will find all the websites she gave me.But,perhaps you perhaps have already found them and I am wasting my time. I don't mind except of the waste of time.Ha'aretz must be having a long sleep for sure. So, au revoir for now and bon Nuit tis' late for us here Europe. S

As a very minimum, I think that all "talk-backers" should give a first name, their city and their state or country. What have you guys got to hide or are you just too lazy? I'm Art, from Sydney, Australia and I agree with Mr Sarid.

Some radical Islamist picnicking maybe? Paint balls? Pilot training? If Turks were indeed killed (which I doubt is true) then they were either fighting our soldiers or planting bombs on behalf of the Zarkawi gang. They weren't just hanging around for the beautiful view I am sure.

What is the true reason why Turkey is opposed to US regime change in Iraq? Could it be that Turkey feels a bit uncomfortable with a Kurdish autonomous state in Northern Iraq? Kind of like Israeli queeziness with accepting a Palestinian state?

you didn't answer the question either. do you agree with those tv people on metv that are saying there was no holocoust and that rabbis drank children's blood. same idiots you are quoting saying the us caused 9/11. So did bin laden lie when he said he did? how come a smart adult like you doesn't answer?

UAE are very goog for your fifth world muslim country, it is third world for us. they invent nothing, exactly as you but they do have oil, so they are 3d and you are 5th world, got it, we are the first first.

sarid, retire please. 30 years of your bla bla bla is enough. even leftits hate you. you are a primitive parrot, totally contemtible.

"Since the war `ended` in May 2003 well over 20,000 people have been killed including around 120 of my countrymen." As opposed to the idyllic state when NO ONE was being murdered in Iraq? ... No, as opposed to several hundred thousand murdered by Saddam. War is horrific and immorality always flourishes in war. And the deaths and murders of innocents will always sicken me. But because of the Iraq War, Arab Muslims have been condemning terrorism in far greater numbers than ever before. It's a sad fact, but once Arab Muslims begin to see their own mosques blown apart, their own voters blown to pieces, their own people blown apart in hotels, then and only then do Arab Muslims march and condemn Islamic terrorism and suicide bombers, as happened in Jordan after the hotel attacks. Those Iraqis who blow apart Iraqi voters are not called "heroes" or "martyrs" as happens in the morally filthy Palestinian society. NO, in Iraq, as in Jordan after the hotel bombings, the murderers are referred to as "murderers". And I believe that democracy and freedom in Iraq will change the minds and souls of many Arab Muslims. Read the website I posted. That is a site run by Iraqis. It is their comments which give me hope for Iraq.

...you insult the intelligent Americans (they really exist!). The german weekly DIE ZEIT have made an interview with the american sociologist Prof. Richard Sennett. He sayed, the Americans are children. You are the proof he is right.

Dear Jew, the message of the BIBLE is not about religion, but about REDEMPTION OF SIN. Which sin? The SIN THAT ALL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE BECAUSE OF SIN OF ADAN. In the TORAH, GOD gave us all prophecies about THE MESSIAH. In Bereshit 3:15 you will find the first promise of GOD about the MESSIAH. PASSOVER, is a figure of the sacrifice of the MESSIAH, that night, when GOD brough His people out of Egypt, a LAMB whitout blemish was slain for the salvation of each family, and THE BLOOD was put on the post of the doors, for the angel of death don't touch the persons inside the house (Ex.12:13). In Isaiah chapter 53, you will find that the MESSIAH should be sacrified (killed) for the sin of his people ISRAEL and the sin of whole humanity, fulfiling of the prophecy that GOD gave to ABRAHAM "...in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Gn.12:3). Do you see? THE MESSAGE OF THE BIBLE IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION, but about REDEMPTION THROUGH THE MESSIAH. True christians don't worship the cross, we worship GOD. True christians truly love ISRAEL, because by his way GOD brough us His redemption: THE MESSIAH and His Word: THE BIBLE, by which we know THE TRUTH. GOD BLESS YOU!!

Hello Tareq, Mrs Elizabeth Murdoch of Melbourne, mother of Rupert Murdoch is a churchgoing member of the Anglican Church.

Hi Jacques, Well done in continuing to unmask Khalid's alias's. Keep up the great work. Cheers, ATLAS

The majority of us do not believe he is agreat or even good leader. His approval is at 39% and most of them are red neck republicans. I personally detest the man. He is dishonest, like khalid and arik, and twists truth like the wmds. He however did not bomb the wtc but he never went after bin laden. he spent all his efforts rectifying his daddy's mistake with Saddam.

Iraq has certainly presented many challenges and Rummy and Bush did not have it 100% right but that does not mean that the whole enterprise is wrong. I really believe it will turn out well for Iraq and eventually the entire ME. Iran is a very differnt story and I think they are trying a different approach, much more diplomatic and not military at this stage. I know that we are supporting the substantial internal dissadent movement in Iran and that we are working closely with Russia to come to an agreement on uranium production and waste disposal via Russia.

journalist are always criticising bush ,i think it is the time that journalist also admit when they make an error. Bush is a greate leader in moments when the world is threaten by terrorists everywhere.

You insult everyone who died at WTC and every firefighter with your nonsense. The FDNY does not support what you day and we lost 343 men. No one except the same people pushing the there was no holocoust story or the rabbis drink blood believes that. I guess you believe that stuff too. Very intelligent.

I AM A FIREFIGHTER . INTERIOR. CLASS A. THEY QUOTED 2 MEN OF 18,000!!!!!!! fdny YOU REALLY ARE AN IDIOT.

Jane, With his most recent interview with Jim Lehrer, I have begun to understand the Bush rationale of tying the Iraq mess with 9-11. I still do not accept his rationale, but at least he has become more coherent in explaning it. I believe the Bush recent epiphany and admission that mistakes have been made is long overdue. He was told 3 years ago that there would be an insurgency, before the war. He chose to believe that we would be welcomed with flowers. He was told 3 years ago that 300,000 troops would be needed to secure the country. Only now, with nearly 200,000 coalition troops and 120,000 Iraqis (partly trained) are we beginning to see some progress. We and the Iraqis have had 3 years of casualties to make Bush see his errors. Now the drumbeat is starting for war with Iran. Are we to believe that the intelligence is any better? Will Rummy plan any better for the aftermath of the initial assault? I seriously doubt it. The world and Iran are paying the price now for the last US intervention (1956) in Iran. Bush needs to take off his rose colored glasses and realize that for every action, there is a reaction. Mark

Gina to you the war might seem totally worthwhile but to those of us living next to iraq it is certainly not the case. Since the war 'ended' in May 2003 well over 20,000 people have been killed including around 120 of my countrymen. As a direct result of this war we have seen massive suicide bombings in Istambul and Amman as well as hundreds of others across Iraq. In addition the Kurds and Shia are behaving just like saddam commiting ethnic cleansing in kirkuk and elsewhere(except for one diffrence-they cant defeat an insurgency!). You can sit in front of your computer or t.v and think it is all going to be fine soon but we are living it and its hell.

Compared to your non-Khalid posts your anger is somewhat subdued when your real name is used, as you have an image to maintain for the sake of your 'bosses'; namely, Al-Jazeera network, Al-Ahram of Egypt, etc. On the other hand, when you feel that you're going to loose it you take out your cavalry of aliases! It's a great outlet isn't it? You owe a lot to Haaretz for allowing your garbage to be published. Astounding how much this Oklahoman knows about you: "Khalid is a journalist and an intellectual. His articles are read by millions of People around the world. Some of his articles are even taught in American University. Khalid graduated from two prominent American Universities?" Egypt has a population of about 77M, with Al-Ahram being one of the most read newspapers. A lot of Egyptians probably follow Al-Jazeera's news casts. Therefore I can see how 'millions' of people could have access to your material, yet not the mainstream 'world' population. Your anti-Israeli, anti-Jew, anti-Zionist hate literature and irresponsible reporting with unsabstantiated facts made sure that your sphere of influence remained within a stone's throw away from Israel! You are fooling no one! Hint: you might try to alter your prose a little bit with a different vocabulary you might succeed in throwing us off(for a post or two!).

Did you vote? Which political party did you vote for?

Ever heard of the UAE with its 300+ skyscrapers and heaps of foreign investment. Your ignorance is typical.

Believe what you want, maybe in Bin Laden; it dosnt matter. I've more trust in american firefighters, armyingeneers, FBI ... and Jimmy Walter. Did you know that the investigations costs of the 9.11. is 600,000 $? The investigations costs of "Clintons sperma" is 600,000,000 $! Think about...

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/ Has no one paid attention to all the elections that have occured in Iraq this past year? The Iraqis are thoroughly engaged in politics this very day!! Political parties are bargaining and squabbling just as occurs in other countries. US troops were in Germany and Japan for a few years after WW2. At some point they greatly downsized in both countries. The same will happen in Iraq. Fifty years from now, Iraq will be as great an ally to the Western world as is Turkey and Jordan.

So if that DVD is accurate then Bin Laden is a liar and is Zarkawi??too for claiming they did 9/11. How gullible you are. And no one respects Khalid except Al Jeezera and METV which just produced a report showing other distinguished men saying rabbis killed children for blood. Khalid is the one who uses the word rapist etc all the time because he cannot answer facts. So is Bin Laden a liar folks? Did the us bomb TWC itself?

Typical khalids characteristic to be double-faced (in this case it is quadruple faced creature). This is why Israel can not negotiate or have any deal with khalids liars. Colledge education has nothing to do with khalid's nation values. Sneaky and artful substance is impossible to cover up.

Some say it will happen one day?

Listen observer...the day when you can arrogate our hard-earned money to murder innocent people is over. A country like yours that spys on America is not a friend, it is an enemy. Beside, your behavior is a disgrace and an affront to civility.

...is that he is too honest and too indulgent of some of the idiots who hang around here! I've read many of his posts and he expresses himself with passion and eloquence. Khalid's critics would do well to pick up some of his qualities. You may disagree with what he has to say, but you have no right to vilify his personality.

I think I figured out who you are. Uri ibn Avi ibn Khalid abu Jerald Get serious and search deep inside for your lost integrity and humanity. It is there somewhere underneath all the tired lies. Bye for now.

I believe we should look well beyond today and see the overall vision that the US government has for Iraq and the ME. The naysayers among you may be surprised by the will and moxie of the Iraqi people who I believe will sort out their problems and get on with installing a democratically elected government, and that is the key to a better future. Even if they start out with a government that is friendly towards Iran and not friendly towards Israel, I still see it as progress. The Iraqis can influence Iran on our behalf. Also FYI - the Kurds are a powerful group and they already have extensive ties to Israel which I expect will grow over time.. I do not portend to be a scholar of Iraq but I am interested enough to do some homework on the issue. I know people in Iraq and I know some of the people who are currently working for our government there and they are much more encouraged than the press here leads you to believe.

Khalid, Can you stick with a single identity for a few hours? I'm going out back to play with the kids so it is safe to come back out from under the rock.

"Where did you study? at the Chabad Yeshiva in New York where they inculcate you with racism?" I find that statement rather racist. Khalid avoids facts and presents propaganda in its place. Just because he is a journalist and went to college does not mean he tells the truth. In fact, readers here have frequently caught him in his lies.

Khalid, did you know, that the Israelites sitting in the trap of the Wallstreet-Lords? Think about their depth, thats more than 100% of their GDP. If they would pay 5% interest for only 100% (129 Billion $ in 2004) they have to pay 6.45 billion $ (29.5 Shekel) each year. That's the reason of their accellerating poverty... Think about how can the Israelites get out of the trap. That's were the solution of the "Near East Problems" with it's endless enemies...

Iraq did not attack us. Al-Qaeda was not an Iraqi ally. Al-Qaeda was in Afghanistan. We were right to go after them, but we never finished the job. We pulled men and materials out of Afghanistan too soon so we could go into Iraq. In other words, the war against terrorism was slowed down, if not totally stopped, so we could go after Saddam. Prior to the US attack, there was no al-Qaeda in Iraq. Nor where there any other terror groups that threatened the US and Israel. Don?t believe me? Ask the CIA and they will tell you this is so.

Rustam, you ask Khalid to guid his people to peace. Good. But where do you guid your own people? To building more settlements? To stealing Palestinian land and property? to lying about our crimes against powerless Palestinian children and women? to force helpless laborors to drink urine? Are we that criminal? That barbaric? That uncivilized? Are we supposed to be God's lying people, Rustam?

Rustam, you are very strange indeed. Khalid may not have noticed, but you too pretend to be Kim, Peter SM, and so on. This is a sign of insecurity as well. Try to indulge Khalid without name calling. Name calling weakens your stand and your argument.

Wake up and get your head out of the clouds! The Iraqi people have just voted overwhelmingly for a theocracy. The parties they put into power are openly aligning themselves with Iran. They have decided to continue Iraq's state of war against Israel. The US press has been slow to catch on, but now even Republican newspapers such as the Chicago Tribune and Washington Times are starting to report on this overlooked factor.

Jews are demonized and dehumanized by their own criminal actions against the helpless Palestinians. Soldiers who force children and minors to drink urine and soldiers who tie farmres to their mules..are quasi animals and demonic creaturs. I know there are many nice and humane jews. But Israel is a sick society..because if it was othewise, the shameful acts would have raised a big outcry... Rustam, Israel is nearly a barbarian country.

Rustam seems to be exasperated...losing out, not knowing what do do. May be Rustam you should try some Persian Hashish. It makes you overcome the Khalidophobia.

Jane, allow me to tell you that you don't know what you are talking about. We have just succeeded in creating another government of the Ayatollahs in Iraq. It is only a matter of time before they take to the streets and shout "Death to Israel, death to the Jews." Actually, they already have done that..on the International Alqods Day. Bush is not only ignorant, he is stupid as well...and so is the Jewish lobby that pushed for the war.

Thanks G-d you do not represent wonderful people of US. Your tribe's ideology did expressed itself a few years ago, and than brought to justice. Hope your day will come as well.

It appears that Khalid has been offended, moved to California and converted. He is truly a man of many talents. Only if he would put his talents to good use by trying to guide his people towards peaceful coexistence instead of coming up with creative lies to demonize the Jews and Israel and spread hate

Reasons Iraq is About 9/11: 1. We needed to take the fight out of NY and put it into Arabia and Iraq had many qualifying factors including numerous programs supporting terrorist groups with world-wide reach. 2. Iraq was a good place to begin the democratization of the ME because of its population, well educated, non-fundamentalist, with a strong opposition that was outside of Iraq and that now has been elected to office. 3. Saddam's murderous ways that killed over 800,000 Iraqis that we are aware of today. 4. Seeds planted in Iraq will spread to the rest of the ME where it is expected that citizens will gain hope and motivation for democratic change in their countries. It had to start somewhere and Iraq was the best choice.

Jane, you know about Iraq as much as I know about Mars. You must be too confident of yoruself. That is a sign of ignorance.

Khalid is a journalist and an intellectual. His articles are read by millions of People around the world. Some of his articles are even taught in American University. Khalid graduated from two prominent American Universities? Where did you study? at the Chabad Yeshiva in New York where they inculcate you with racism? It is you, "American" or "Zionist right-winger" who conspicuously lacks proper educations and politeness and civility. It is you who resorts to silly jokes, insinuations, inuendoes, name calling and silly suggestions when you stand powerless to face Khalid. This is a sign of cowardice, intellectual shallowness and lack of education. You should apologize to Khalid for your obviously obscene remarks. Ha'aretz should never allow cheapness of character to get to this board

So far, no evidence has emerged of any link between Irak and 9/11, between Irak and islamist fundamentalism. Irak was a secular dictatorship which killed and tortured the friends of Ben Laden. NOW !! Irak has become the training field of terroriste. Thank you George!!!

In as much as some people believe the Iraq War was not thought out, and that all contingencies were not predicted, I believe the opposite is true. The main goal of the war is greatly misunderstood to be WMD's, Saddam, oil, and numerous other reasons that may be part of it but certainly not the primary reason of starting a democratic movement for the entire region that will ultimately defeat the terrorists, and topple other despotic regimes in the ME. The price may be an Iraqi government that is less than what we had hoped for but it is doubtful that the Iraqi people will elect a theocracy in the mold of Iran or the Taliban. In the short term they may get a semi-theocratic government but the majority of Iraqis are not religious fundementalists and they will not tolerate another dictator. Women have freedom and they already have a strong stock market based on free market ideas. They will have stops and starts just as we had in the US when the founders argued for years about the extent of preidential powers and virtually every article of our Constitution. The Iraqi people will go through their own process of self-definition and I believe they will ultimately stay with the democratic notion. It may take a few years, maybe longer but the Middle East will give birth to democratic movements as a result of our eforts there.

i loved your article. as a jew we need all the support we can get. . . please ignore the ridiculous response about jesus, obviously the person is on something quite powerful.

I experienced that first hand there..they only inflict the inflicted and comfort the comforted. That is all.

How could you watch a 2 1/2 hour DVD so quickly? I think you are a believer. Believing is not want to know the truth. Look the DVD think about what des firefighters say ... and the armyingeneers ... and the FBI

Sarid would not get space to write those defeatist words in any other newspaper except Haaretz. That is a fact just like his defeatist, leftist stance is a fact and hated by all patriotic citizens all over the free world.

just because khalid's and some oklahoman people do not understand meaning of personal responsibility following their logic, I blame Israel too for not helping khalids and other advocates of murderers to meet their 72 virgins in larger number. World would be much better place without those polluters.

I love your response to Khalid. Intellectual prostitute indeed. He is not that intellectual though. As to your response re 9/11. That web site is quite a joke that you quote. As a fireman, I can tell you it is a lot of crap. The terrorists, we have shown the world pictures, and Osama and Zarcowi admit exactly who it was. It was not the Bush Admin or americans. Our stupid response in Iraq is bad enough. Please don't add insult by that claim. It is like Iran's METV now claiming rabbis drank parisian children and london children's blood. Be better than Khalid and his type and we thinking americans try to do the same.

"I would say that thousands of such lies are made every year..and then a naive and unsuspecting western media..." There are no "naive and unsuspecting western media"! All western media playing the Wallstreet-Game that describes John Swinton like this: The remarks were apparently made by Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, probably one night in 1880. Swinton was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying: There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.

The war in Iraq was never fought for Israel's interests. The Bush administration did try to sell it to the American Jewish community by claiming that, but the vast majority of American Jews knew better. Giver us some credit. Do you not think that we did not know that once you get rid of Saddam, the only ones left to run Iraq would be pro-Iranian Shiites? There was no other possilbe outcome. It was clear from day one that this war would be contrary to Israel's security. Don't blame us for the war!

The Iraq war isn't a question of whether Bush or Cheney like jews any more than anyone. It's more a question of the convergence of interests between a number of parties - namely: - The neocons (to advance the PNAC agenda -- Project for the New American Century -- the neocon Bible since 1998) - Haliburton etc: to cheat the US taxpayer out of huge amounts of $ by selling spanners at $20,000 a piece - The christian right: with their messiah mumbo jumbo - The pro-Israel lobby: to send a message to the other Arab countries that they would suffer the same fate if they misbehave. Unfortunately for them (fortunately for the rest of humanity) their war has back-fired and the US is looking for a way out. No question about the fact that the US has lost the Iraq war because it did not achieve its political objectives. The only question that remains is whether the likes of Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld et al will ever admit to having made a mistake, and whether they will be held accountable.

Khalid,I salute you. Your eloquent and convincing posts have exposed the utter bankruptcy of these rabid Zionists and their equally "Christian" Zionist supporters whom I consider a cancer upon the conscience of Christ. We Americans have been brainwashed and blinded for so many years by Israeli propaganda and lies. It is thanks to people like you that we are beginning to see the truth and the brutal ugliness of Israel for what it is. We all know that in a debate when one side starts going "personal", it means they are losing. So, don't worry about being called "comical." Jesus himself was ridiculed..."Kingdom...King of the Jews!!"

Have you taken a good look at who is benifitng from Bush's policies? It is the most radical elements in the Arab world. Who won the elections in Iraq? Shiites who are nothing more than Iranian puppets! They are already actively undercutting US policy towards Iran, such as it is, by developing economic, trade and security alliances.

Murdoch had a Jewish mother. I thought it was the mother who decided the religion in Judaism? Khaled's comment not that stupid then is it? If he don't want to be Jewish fine- no big deal, he is still a Zionist. My initial comment was a reaction to Marco's comment. Rupert is certainly much more Jewish than the Pope. I don't really care anyway to be honest. :-)

. . . .is for Bush and company to admit that maybe turning Iraq over to a bunch of Iranian puppet Shiites was not such a good idea.

Is it your contention then that no Arab terrorist has ever killed an Israeli civilian, whether it be a man, woman or child? How many Israeli peace offerings have you thrown back in their faces? I lost count.

"Saudi Arabia was responsible for 9/11 and Khalids terror buddies. That was the big lie told to US people, that some how Saddam was responsible for 9/11.". The Wallstreet-Politics are lies - allways!!! Look at www.reopen911.org and download the free DVD "Confronting the Evidence", the New York businessman Jimmy Walter have spend 875,000 $ for. How it seems your own government is responsible for 9.11. for triggering a reason for stealing ressorces... Read: Jonatahn Kwitny: Endless Enemies or I.F. Stone: The Hidden History of the Korean War Walt Kelly: We have met the enemy and he is us.

The US is not getting Iraqi oil. Iraq has already made a deal with Iran back in October. Iran helps rebuild the Iraqi oil industry and they get the oil. There is nothing sinister in Bush?s policies. Rather is it the result of gross incompetence. And don?t blame the CIA. They only collect the information. It?s the political appointees who decide how to use it.

How many time that people at this forum have mentioned that the settlements were and still are a mistake? When will Israel stop to move people in these settlements? When will Israel start to follow International Law? ...and the wall!! What is the value added of the Shebaa Farms other than maintaining the status quo of war with Israel's northern neighbours? How many more innocent IDF soldiers in their youth age will be killed to implement shaky governmental decisions? This series of questions could goes on and on... The result: Israel is spending a large part of its budget on a 'security issues'; money that could be spare elsewhere in YOUR economy to help YOUR people that really needs financial support to live a normal life. It is shameful to see ordinary people and elderly begging for money at traffic lights in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and elsewhere. In other words: in Israel, a constructive reality check on a NATIONAL UNITED front is needed. This is not nuclear rocket science!

Saeb Erekat in training http://www.take-a-pen.org/english/Articles/LiarLiar1.html

Read every message posted by khalid?s people on this board. Did you notice something very common in every one of those messages? It is complete lack of any responsibility. Does not matter what they are talking about ? somebody else is responsible for their troubles. Even for saudy social system is US to blame. Those khalid people are very different from the rest of civilized world just because of their fundamental inability to take responsibility for their own affairs. In spite of enormous amount of money they are receiving for their oil they did not developed to the level of even France. The conclusion is that if for centuries khalids could not developed in responsible and honest society ? do not expect them to became one now, and this way treat them accordingly. Do not negotiate with khalids, do not trust them and do not expect them to stop blaming everybody around for all their failures. Only force ? this is the only one convincing factor they would understand. Understanding khalid?s nation is the first half on the way to win the war against international terrorism.

some of your facts are accurate but alas your conclusions not so much. Bush did what he did for $ and his daddy not Israel. Americans got convinced by our stupid $ hungry media that 9/11 and our safety were connected to Sadam. We can be stupid(not all of us) too. Bush and Cheney don't like Jews any more than anyone. They are controlled by right wing Christian orgs. You people give jews far too much credit/power. But Israel is careful not to upset Bush too much while he is supporting them. Iran on the other hand is a real danger as are the Khalids, Franzens etc of the world who teach blind hate void of a factual basis.

The error was in claiming WMDs as the reason. The mass graves -see today's news LKhalid(not that you care about anyone except PAls), the stupidity of Hussein would normaly not provoke the US. Bush was defending his daddy. Saudi Arabia was responsible for 9/11 and Khalids terror buddies. That was the big lie told to US people, that some how Sadam was responsible for 9/11. We are as gullible as the Arabs who believe all the trash Khalid throws them. But we do smarten up and Bush ahs no choice but to leave. Will the Arabs ever smarten up; no. This week alone a TV in Iran had 2 distinguished authorities telling how rabbis killed children for blood. The arabs believe every and any evil word re jews. In fact Khalid tries to make the word Zionist evil in itself. To me Zionism=right of return. How do you like that Khalid, your people rape, murder each other more than anyone else could.

I thought we're talking about leaders/nations admitting their mistakes/lies. It turns out it's really Khalid who's under the microscope! The day is still young! bbl, ATLAS, Martin, Rustam, Marco, Lynn, Gillian, Observer, Jane (I appolodize if I had missed anyone), you guys are doing such a great job, I'm going to make myself a hot cup of tea and keep my eye open for the coming posts! A little entertainment for my holidays. Cheers.

Good riddance to both and the world is a better place.

It is a fact that the US and its economic health and stability are dependent (too dependent)on foreign oil. It is also true that one rational for the war in Iraq and in general, the War on Radical Islam, are to assure a steady stream of reasonably priced oil to the US. After all we are held hostage by the terrorists who know this well and who use it delegitimize the more important reason for going to war - to defeat radical Islamic terrorism that attacked us on 9-11. It is all part of the same. You need to read beyond the spin and limited verbage of the enemy.

Benzikri, you are completely right when you say that there is little or no press freedom in the Arab world. But is this because the Arab 'man on the street' doesn't want a free and honest media? Of course it isn't! I would be the first to agree that the Arabs suffer from despotic and incompetent leadership. This 'leadership' was not chosen by the people. Rather, it is something that is imposed/encouraged/tolerated by powers with a vested interest in the region. For example, would the USA allow the Saudi regime to be replaced by an elected, representative leadership? My guess would be NO! My point is, if it had not been for the abysmal and repressive regimes in the region, then the talents and resources of the people would not have been dissipated in the way that they have been. In fact, if it had not been for the collusion of many of the Arab kings, emirs and presidents, Israel may not have had a chance to be created at all. However, you missed the central point of my previous post, and it's this: the Israelisation of western societies (justified or otherwise) is happening, and is frightening. The most recent catalyst for this has been the war in Iraq, which was started on a false premise and for reasons that serve the interests of a small but powerful group (i.e. the military-industrial complex of the US, the right-wing fanatics & neo cons and the pro-Israel lobby). The vast majority of people in the US and the UK have suffered as a direct result of this war (increased terrorism, increased racial/ethnic/religious tension, etc...)

well spotted

That and more. America is a rich successful country which can afford as many rationales as is required to go forth with whatever plan it chooses.

totally delusional....why is nobody investing in arab countries

You're tallking about Kahlid, right?

I asked for names way back at #10. Hours ago. Please don't make us wait any longer.

I thought the Iraqi war was fought for oil.

"and then when he called 'Wolf' for the third time and there really was a wolf then nobody came". -Is that a true story Daddy -No, but it's a cautionary tale my son and it means that there is always a price to pay for lying and decieving others

Not according to himself -- the following paragraph appears in an article that can be found at: http://www.bjr.org.uk/data/1999/no4_hagerty.htm "Mr Murdoch and prayer are, apparently, on more than nodding acquaintance. The Murdoch family trust recently donated $10million towards the building of a new Roman Catholic cathedral in Los Angeles and last year he was awarded a Papal "knighthood", so it seemed legitimate to ask him if he believes in God. "Yes, quite firmly," he replied. "I wouldn't describe myself as being highly religious, but I certainly believe in a supreme being and in the spirituality of man. But am I tied to any one formal religion? No. [But] I have, I hope, a lot of the values of my Calvinistic background. That may sound strange, but it's true, I think." papal knighthood? Calvinistic roots?

The Murdochs are about as jewish as the pope

Yossi Sarid can not recall, for some reason, the SCUD missles during 1991, which were landing in Israel. It was a real miracle that thousands of Israelis were not killed by these missles. For the United States to "cut and run" in 2006 from Iraq, would enable Saddam Hussein to return to power in Iraq and with all of the consequences that means.

While the corrupt PA fights among themselves for the right to continued plunder of world finances given on behalf of the Palestinian people, America continues to look inward and examine our democracy to preserve it. Journalist would not know a free press if it smacked him in the face. He knows only lies, lies and more lies fed to him by corrupt leaders in the Arab world. They tell him truth is lies and sell him a bill of goods to keep themselves in fat Paris bank accounts. It's all too funny!

Marco, A correction/apology from you maybe and your mistruths? The Murdoch's are not Jewish??

Luckily for us just saying something does not make it true! Khalid wants a radical Islamic theocracy where a modern western democracy now exists. He is the mouthpiece for the radicals day in and day out in this paper and many others. His talk of rape, baby killing and destruction is old and stale and we see through it and understand that Khalid's agenda will fail and the harshness of his statements only shows his desperation.

Its clear from your use of the word G-d, instead of God, that you are not an Arab at all, but an orthodox jew. If you want to make propaganda, try applying a little more thought, so as not to insult your fellow contributors' intelligence. BTW, the correct spelling is noble, not Nobel, but I guess that's irrelevant to you ;)

...for all that this Nation got so many Nobel prizes. :-)

Only Great Nation and its President can admit their mistakes. It is demonstration of nation's strength. And only third world nations with complex of inferiority would never do it. It is unimaginable to expect from khalid's states to behave this way.

Really, Khalid, I assume you are referring to the same response we get from your side whenever these same people are caught or killed, that these were poor innocents, just going about their daily business! Personally, I think the world is slowly beginning to realize that you are just full of bs. Gillian

I kind of like the sound of that. New nickname anyone? I'd like to hear him denounce Hamas...just once.

(The majority of) Americans, primarily in the "fly over states" (i.e., states no one wishes to visit because they contribute nor provide anything to the country) have been duped. They're forgetful and easily swayed -- like children. Yossi, government agencies (and even leaders) might under extreme pressure eventually take responsibility for past actions or decisions but please don't think they then stop what they're doing. They don't. Which I think is even more of a "slap in the face" to the American people, and our -- what's left of them -- allies. Let people not forget, America started out after al-Queda, then somehow stretched to regime change in Afghanistan, then nation building, next in a beautiful yet sick course-change put the cross hairs on Iraq. For that massive policy change not only has there been no apology, no responsibility taken, but most people of the world don't even realize it happened! We're in Iraq for 2 reasons: 1. Bush believes a democracy in the Middle East shall be his legacy (and God told him this is his destiny. That's not a joke), and 2. America strongly believes the Saudi family will be overthrown so we need another guaranteed oil supply until we manage to change our peoples' minds about getting rid of their gas-guzzling V8 vehicles. We care for enough stability in the region so we're not pulled in balanced against feeding our outrageous demand for oil. We don't care about anything else in that region. Nothing. But, Mr. Sarid, you won't hear anyone taking responsibility for that.

The Iraq War was not fought because of WMD or for any other reason than to plant a first seed of democracy in the Arab world. It was meant to show the people in Arab theocracies and dictatorships that democracy is within their reach. It has bolstered the efforts of democrats in Lebanon, Egypt, some Gulph states, and even the opposition in Iran. It has given hope to dissenters all over the region. No one should expect to wake up tomorrow morning to a democratic ME, but slowly over time it will happen. They might not look like our US or Israeli democracies, but they will be a new form that each country builds to fit its people. The War in Iraq cannot be judged in the short term but must be looked at in the long term. Any war has its fits,starts and stops and its misjudgements and mistakes but the overall picture in Iraq is far from what Sarid describes. 75% of the Iraqi people are hopeful for the future and support what our soldiers have accomplished. 82% are grateful for our involvement, and all agree that removing Saddam was the right thing to do. Before rushing to judge the outcome see what happens in the next few years. If democracy does indeed take root in Iraq it is only a matter of time until radical Islamic terrorism loses its strength and momentum and that will make a safer world for all.

Since when is The new york post and fox news the zionist media? Are you delirious? mendacious? or are you just back to your stereotyping ways? both the post and fox news are controlled by news corporation, a public company who's major shareholder is the murdoch family and none of them are jewish. an apology is in order again for you mistruths however i am sure none will be forthcoming

I consider Bush one of the best leaders of America, because he gave us the chance to defeated them. Bush has launched a crusade against the Arabs, but G-d defeated him: 1) He is suffering in Iraq and Afganistan, none of his goals has been accomplished, and the cheap face of the Americans has been proven on the hands of the Arab Kights in Iraq. 2) Petroleum prices are sky rocketing and its in our favor. 3) The latest wrath of G-d on America, by sending them a devastating hurricane exposing them as a 3rd world country. 4) The americans have got more in debt to us, because the rich Arab countries have bought more of their bonds recently which makes them under more pressures to repay us back. 5) The Americans have been exposed of not respecting human rights, as they always claimed that Arab countries don't respect the human rights, but G-d has brought his justice in exposing them. Conclusion: The Americans are defeated infront of us and all their allies especially Israel will repay back, once their masters in the white house get on their knees.

What you say?!" Convoluted justification". Well, please tell me what was then July7, 2005, when many people lost their lives and many other maime for the rest of theirs. Convoluted is your ability to overlook reality established by some extreme Islamic groups, in Western Europe and in North America. Unfortunately, what you called Isrelisation of the Democratic world did'nt come into being under the inspiration of Israel, by through the inducement of acts proliferated by terror groups. Now, had studied the French Intelligent Services, you will find out that as early as 1980s with GIA, the Algerians terror that conducted many Metro murders, have shown the way to Israel. It was not the other way round. Way befor Blair and Bush came to the international scene, the French intelligence has establish an appatatus to protect the French people. Nadir, you are not bein truthful about what is going onin Londonstan, Birmghamstan, you know the reality, Western World is trying to be tolerant but at the same time not too foullish. It has a very viable, like in Israel, media completely free: If you hate Haaretz then read Maarive, or if you prefer The Guardian, I don't like it. Where in the Arab-Muslim world can have such an open discussion, criticisin the ponposity of Yossi Sarid, theinking that he is the only man who understand the conflict opposing Israel to the Arab World. Or, telling Mr. Sharon that he is in the wrong direction. Try that in Pakistan or in Iran. Try it..

Mendacious--lying;untruthful;false Shame--Something regretable; outrageous "Shameful rape of my country and people" Well Khalid, I have now threaded my way through your weird posting and have satisfied myself that I have never raped either a country or its people. Therefore it is you who have been mendacious in your scribbles and you who should feel shame for the untruths that you tell.

Khalid, You definitely caught us here on this deliberate lying thing! I seem to recall an interview with Arafat when he was in Lebanon in which he stated that after every heroic attack by the PLO Israel denies any casualties but all of a sudden the number of traffic accidents goes way up. He later informed the world about the use of depleted Uranium and poison gas on innocent Palestinians walking to school which again Israel lied about. I think you yourself mentioned that the Mossad was going to terrorize you if you tell us about your history and yet the Mossad is deliberatly hiding this. Of course we can't forget the audacity of Jews to deny the veracity of the blood libel in various forms. And yes your favorite we Jews lie by denying that Talmud is an evil workbook for Jews to conquer the world, spread AIDS and the plague, enslave the rest of humanity, or otherwise treat them like animals. And yes we do lie about the fact that we all have horns too. Silly me.

That was a grand example. You even used the word mendacious I credited you with in #10. This stolen house thing is one of your issues that loses, not gains, support for Palestinians. As sure as some Israeli Jews live on property that onced belonged to Palestinians, the reverse is also true. In places like Hebron and parts of Jerusalem, Palestinians now live where Jews were dispossed of their land. It is also true that the vast majority of Israeli Jews live in houses and on properties that were not ever owned by Palestinians. When you try to smear all Israeli Jews as living in houses that were stolen from some actual Palestinian family, you sound extreme and deluded. You undemine yourself. You are not helping your people in any significant way with these statements. But I'm sure you'll give it another try.

With all due respect, your response to Rich's comments are disgusting. Rich did not mention Jesus once in his entire article, in fact, his article had no religious connotations at all! For you to presume something about him, and to attack him on something he didn't say, is simply beneath all contempt. Your statement that, "yes, we might use your political support and get some money, but don't you ever imagine that we will abandon our faith" is also quite cynical and disgusting. I could understand a Christian reading this article and strongly reconsidering his/her support for Israel and the Jews. My own experience with Christians in the U.S. regarding the conversion issue has been a largely positive one. Some tried to convert me, some did not, but as long as I was considerate and polite about the situation there was never a major issue. I, for one, will always be grateful to the evangelical Christian community in the United States, for during this Intifadah, while we were abandoned by the world, and by many Jews, I might add, they never failed in their rock-solid support. I don't ask what their "true" motivation was, and frankly, I'm not interested. For me, it's simply "a friend in need is a friend indeed." I think you owe Rich a sincere apology. Also, regarding Yossi Sarid's article, he should be very careful will his statement that Israel deliberately fabricated intelligence to get America to go to war with Iraq. This brings up all kinds of accusations of a Jewish conspiracy, and in any event, Yossi Sarid's claims might be lies themselves: I have read other articles claiming that there *were* weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but that these weapons were transported to Syria on the eve of the war. These articles claim that Israeli defense sources insist there intelligence is accurate regarding the Syrian claims, but are hesistant to say anything for fear that it will look like Israel is trying to get the U.S. to attack Syria. Bush, because he can't go into Syria for political reasons, basically had no choice but to admit that there were no WMDs. But there are those who still insist that there were.

Khalid, Your constant distortions of the truth has led me to lose much respect for ordinary Palestinians. If your people are mostly like you, then this situation will just get worse and worse. You need to stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility. That is what grown-ups do.

Maybe you can save your advice to commentary, new republic, New York Post, Fox News, and other hateful Zionist media of mass lies .

Rich, You say that after 9/11 what choice did the world have re: Iraq? Are you saying Saddams Iraq was a haven for Islamic fundamentalism? Please enlighten me.

you wrote (just parrot the lies..." Yes Khalid, you are giving us a steady diet of that everyday.) Atlas, or whatever is your name. Think not that your silly and mendacious sounbites will cover or blur your shameful rape of my country and my people. You are indeed a shameless people, you murder, you kill, you steal, you destroy, and you oppress and your brutalize, you bulldoze and you torment...and when you are challenged or when your actions are questioned, you cry out like children... I would never allow my self to live in a stolen home...while watching the rightful owners of the home languishing homeless in the streets outside... Shame on your callousness, impetuousness and shamelessness. Shame on you.

Sarid reminds me of the die hard communist who after 1956 Chruschevs speech about Stalins crimes and Gulags , rationalized that 'What Stalin did was necessary for the cause" and hence justified the millions of victims of Soviet terror. It appears that Saris lost his common sense and cant see the trees from the forest. The only people believing in Sarids arguments are ADDIS, Khalid and the "Swedish brigade" on this pages. Hence, by correlation also Haaretz.!!!

Listen Khaled...it is true that the american and israeli press were the tools that the leaders of the countries use to spread their lies...BUSH DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE...IT WAS INTENTIONAL TO TELL LIES ABOUT IRAK IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THE WAR...The CIA is not that stupid..this organization spends billions of dollars on spying...they voluntary twisted the truth in order to give USA an excuse to get in Irak and steal all the oil

what u been smoking ?

Yet another spout of nonsense. Of the tens of thousands of people in America that can legitimately be called journalists, who are these folks being fired? Really, you would have to know to state what you have stated. You folks are really astounding. Yes, I’m now talking to you Khalid and ADDIS as well. To care so much about these issues, that you spend a majority of your day engaging in discussion about them, and yet to do so in such an ineffectual way. What a waste. Talkback is an anonymous forum in which people are free to post anything with out any responsibility for the content(or even guarantee of being who they say they are). This is about the least effective thing you could be doing to help the Palestinians (or even to battle the "Zinists of America"). The Israelis are not harmed by individual pro-Jewish yokels who also spout silliness. The Israelis long ago concluded that they will have to take care of themselves. This kind of silly talk doesn't really change their security calculations. The Palestinians, however, being cursed with (what is that word Kahlid... Ah yes) mendacious leadership, desperately need the world's help. Unfortunately, The constant bitter truth-twisting participation by Kahlid, the recent rush of ADDIS to write something first regardless of its coherency, the incited nonsense of folks like journalist (although to be fair, it's a new name, perhaps journalist does not waste all his time online writing to phantoms). Your postings make Palestinians and their sympathizers look so confused and/or deluded that many figure that there is no saving the Palestinians from themselves. You are contributing to the impression that it is a lost cause. Nobody wants to invest time, money, or political capital in a lost cause Please pull it together. So many of the Palestinians deserve so much better than what this strategy, of continually polluting an open forum in an Israeli press website, is delivering.

"just parrot the lies..." Yes Khalid, you are giving us a steady diet of that everyday.

journalist, I recently heard a term which struck a chord with me -- it was the 'Israelisation of America'. The rate at which the USA in particular, and other Western democaracies in general, are beginning to resemble Israel is absoloutely frightening. The disregard for basic process, the demonisation of anyone who dares to disagree, the convoluted justifications for trampling the rights of minorities, the ever growing power of the state to reach into ordinary citizens' private lives.... all of these things have been a trademark of Israel ever since its founding and are becoming, increasingly, more visible in western democracies. And for what purpose?? Bush and Blair lied through their teeth in order to drag us into an unjust and evil war. This war resulted in an increase in terrorist activity. Now, they are eroding our freedoms in order to counter the threat of terrorism. They have, in effect, created the justification for the war by their very own actions. And they are using their creation as post facto justification for their actions. The old tricks are the best! I would bet that Dark Lord Dick Cheney and his cohorts in the neo con movement are feeling very pleased with the way that they managed to pull off this deception.

that the terrorists are becoming more reasonable. NO, the only reason is the security barrier and the incessant track down of the army on them.

In a country where journalists are punished or fired for calling Likud a "right-wing party" and for calling Jewish settlements "colonies" and for calling the West Bank "occupied territories" and for calling the evil wall by its name.....there is no real press freedom. America used to have press freedom, but no longer. The Zinists of America corrupted everything. They are even on theire way to destroying the American justice system.

Rich, no matter how hard you try, we will not leave our religion and follow your Jesus. Even if your hatred of the Arabs and Islam reaches the 7th heaven, we will not worship the cross. yes, we might use your political support and get some money, but don't you ever imagine that we will abandon our faith. We know that your false infatuation with Israel is aimed first and foremost at inducing Jews to accept Jesus.. But we won't.

does it make you gloat this "understanding" of yours that the USA has "lost" in Iraq ? what choice did the world led by the usa have after 9/11 ? inaction or imperfect action. perhaps you know of a way to protect the world from islamo loons bent on destroying everything non-islamic. perhaps you know of way to stop the arab world continuing on its path of failure, ruin, bitterness etc. Mr Sarid, there is no magic solution...only awful ones, only diffucult ones....there are 1billion+ muslims of whom a significant number hate the "infidels"....and this world of muslims is not suddenly going to join the love movement....u see Mr Sarid, there are no problems with Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist, Christians ... but the world has a very worrying problem called islamic fundamentalism.... being sweet and blowing kisses at them isn't going to help....so what is your proposal ?

If the mass murderer Hussein had come clean with the UN - instead of constantly playing cat and mouse - Saddam would still be in power (and still paying for the murder of Sarid's fellow citizens out of the Oil for Food program). Yet, Sarid pines for the good old days , as if Iraq was such a great place . Free elections and freedom of the press may not mean much to Sarid, but apparently they do to the Iraqis. Jeez, I hoped Sarid was going to retire - there is already too much nonsense in Haaretz.

In Israel it is not a matter of faulty intelligence. It is a matter of willful, deliberate and premeditated lying. In Israel they don't really distinguish between disinformation and true information...there is a large disinformation department in the Israeli defense and foreign ministries whose function is to simply prepare and dissemnate lies through the media. I shall give you some classical examples of lies that we ordinary are fed on a daily basis. When the Israeli army murders two or three civiilans, say near Nablus, during a military operation, the army instantly issues a statement claiming that the three were planning to carry out a suicide attack in Haifa..or that they were responsile for a suicide attack that took place five years ago. In fact, the whole thing is a lie. I would say that thousands of such lies are made every year..and then a naive and unsuspecting western media, much of which is based in West Jerusalem, just parrot the lies...and feed them to millions of Europeans and Americans back home.

people to admit: Zeef Sciff FARKASH Moshe Arens Mossad DEPT. IOF ....ETC