All of Islam on our head
Someone has already tied what is happening in Palestine with what is happening in Lebanon, or the streets of Iraq. As if each of those places brimming with pus does not have its own reasons for its infection.
By Zvi Bar'el"We can't return to the status quo ante," declared Condoleezza Rice in Rome, sending a pleasurable chill up the spine of Israel. Those who remember how then secretary of state Alexander Haig squirmed in 1982, denying what he was reported to have said and to have permitted in that Lebanon war, can only be amazed by how far American policy has come since then.
But that's not the point. Because when Rice says "we," what does she really mean? Has the war suddenly become an American war? Have we finally been "accepted" into the global terror-fighting club?
And why not? When a terrorist border incident in which Israeli soldiers are kidnapped and the army bombs bridges to prevent the kidnappers from taking them into Lebanon is transformed into ambition for a new order - once again a new order in Lebanon - why not add much weightier strategies to the party: damaging Iran's dignity, slapping Syria in the face, teaching a lesson to Hamas, who knows, maybe tomorrow, we'll see in this war the foundations for the war against bin Laden and his graduates.
After all, all of Islam and the Arabs are on our head and America's. That's why the responsibility Israel and the U.S. are assuming is so weighty, as if losing or winning this war will determine the outcome of the entire war against terror, the entire axis of evil. Here it comes, once again, "the most just war Israel and America have ever fought."
Because the theory of it all being intertwined has been pulled out of the moth-eaten drawers and already, someone - with that tempting simplicity - has tied what is happening in Palestine with what is happening in Lebanon, or the streets of Iraq. As if each of those places brimming with pus does not have its own reasons for its infection. But what is more convenient than to shout "Islam" to blur the differences. Who will notice that even in Lebanon, let alone Iraq or Saudi Arabia they have a problem with the all-encompassing packaging of "Islamic terror." Is it Sunni or Shi'ite, Shi'ite-nationalist or global Shi'ite, political Sunni or transnational Sunni? Is Hamas terror or Islamic Jihad terror religious, or against occupation and what about the campaign in Saudi Arabia against the extremist Wahhabi?
Those opening such a broad umbrella to include all the organizations that must be fought are going to lose the enormous forces that exist in each country for self-defense against those groups. Those are the same forces that prevented the Iranian revolution from spreading, the same forces that are struggling in each country, against the Al-Qaida cells and local terror, the same forces that have gradually imposed rules of behavior on Hezbollah.
But the Lebanese government, which might understand the complex political structure of itself and the Lebanese state, might not understand the need to "defeat terror." Like beggars, its representatives, symbols of the only democracy in the Middle East, stood at the Rome Conference to hear an explanation that this is not their war but a war against terror. That the 700,000 or 1 million local refugees, who might right now be sowing the seeds of the next civil war, are not interesting, and that without "defeating terror" there won't be a cease-fire. Let the Lebanese ask the Palestinians - they know the slogan very well. First eliminate the terror and then maybe, if there is time and we're in the mood and if it doesn't complicate other plans, we'll also talk a little about political solutions.
Rice was right. "We" cannot return to the status quo that existed before the war. It is more correct to say it is impossible to return there, because this war is already producing the offspring who will register at the same schools where the war in Iraq or Afghanistan was learned. There, too, they began with a big boom of "shock and awe."
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All who read the history well know that Israel is the number one GOD s enemy because zionists & the jewish who built it had killed many innocent muslim people withthe help of zionists in Britain & USA ,however it is no longer for a big lie to live for ever ...NO..NO .The world will face the truth of ugly face of Israel someday .
Yeah, probably more people have figured it out but afraid to speak up. I say to you...(Eph.6:10-18). Nice to talk to you brother! Alice
I'm glad to see that someone figured that out. ;)
I think you are on to something T.A. (Rev.2:9), I agree!
I have noticed that a large majority of people who use that statement have a lot to say. They rant for awhile, then get into their Hummer or SUV with the lousy gas mileage and drive off into the sunset!
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While Lebanon and Hizbullah might face more damage than Israel, Israel needs the cease fire more than Lebanon. Even if you occupy all of Lebanon, I do not believe you will stop the rockets. Have you stopped the rockets from Gaza? You are not fighting an army, but an insurgency that can pick the time and place for an attack in the weakest spot. They may take small bites out of the IDF, but over time the casualties will mount. When you assault them in a well defended position, the casualties will be higher. If Hizbullah wants help, as in Iraq, Lebanon will be swarming with volunteers from all over the Islamic world. Israel needs a cease fire and a peace agreement for survival.
Yes, I do have several scripture references, but they are probably not accepted as scripture by the vast majority of people on this site. If you would like to further this conversation, we need to find an alternative way to communicate.
Just for you: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html
If you?re obsessed with hating Israel and only use the media to gather more hate material, then you?re only going to see what you want to see. But, most news sources depict Israel as the aggressor and her enemies are handed victim status by the cubic ton. Go read the headlines about Qana today. That whole mess seems eerily similar to the so-called Jenin massacre; once again, perfectly timed for hez to get the 48 hr unconditional cease-fire they demanded. You post comments lacking logic and truth and when confronted, resort to personal attacks and terms of endearment intended to demoralize anyone who disagrees with you; so much for useful dialogue. You seem to think that if the U.S. pulls our aid from Israel all of this will end. You're probably right, but one of two things would happen. Israel would be destroyed or would be forced to use nuclear weapons to survive. So, which is it you?re hoping for? I for one believe we waste a lot more money on a lot less worthy things.
Only today did I learn that the Qana house was not hit by IAF bombs or any Israel ordinance. The house collapsed hours after the bombardment. I only learned this several minutes ago after reading the article in Ha'aretz. The building collapse was probably due to too much sand in the concrete, the contractor running off with a sizeable amount of the construction money. I'd say that in the investigation the concrete needs analyzing, as well. Again, it's those coward Hezbullah, hiding among civilian populations that are the sure cause of the horror of the Qana collapse.
have extreme haters. Israel is always portrayed as the only victims in the regions. Ridiculous. T A Adams. don't flatter yourself honey. MY posts here aren't about me vs you. and I wouldn't respect ANYONE who just bowed and agreed to everything I said. What kind of conversation would that be? STupid. I don't care if you like me, agree with me. It doesn't matter. I don't post here for you. Israel uses victim status like every other side. It's getting old, and I say our billions a year uld go to worthier projects. Financing this holy war is a huge abuse of US taxpayers.
israel is hated to a depth few can comprehend. i advice israel to arm to the teeth and take it for granted that they are after your lives for as long as there is breath in their bodies. forget the bloody peace process.
i am so sorry for you christa. you may loose one more chance yet to get rid of Hizbollah. as a christian you have to worry about this fundamental islamism raise in your country, would you like to live under taliban rule? or.. sorry you are living in France anyway...
"I have come to believe that it truly is an illness." Not only is it an illness, it is an evil of the highest order.
Jimmy. You are out of touch with the Lebanese Christians praying for Israel to destroy Hezbollah. Most Lebanese Christians (and most Sunni Muslims) are against Hezbollah's arms, but are not supportive of this war. Don't confuse distrust over Hezbollah's military wing and its 'resistance' with Israel's campaign to weaken Hezbollah's military capacity. And more importantly, nearly all Arab-Muslims would readily accept Israel once Israel readily accepts Palestine in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem...something that has taken over 39 years to accomplish. Arguing that Islam will never accept Israel only serves to achieve your ignorant short-term goals: angry anti-Muslim Lebanese Christian living in Australia wants to destroy Hezbollah; if I can't do it, Israel should do it for me. This is dangerous; if you attended the candle-light vigil in Martyr's Square last night, you would have seen Christians, Muslims, Druzes standing side by side against Israel's war.
That must be wishful thinking, or your view is through Alices looking glass?
"there are no winners in war, if we cannot find peace in our hearts, how can that trascend to the political arena and beyond" - bob Unfortunately that battle begins in the hearts of the very young. If you believe peace can be achieved through simple land and prisoner exchange negotiations, please visit this site: http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/synopsis.htm It's pretty disturbing to see very young muslim girls describing the gory things they would do to President Bush and professing their hatred for Americans and Jews.
So it is the same when palestinian woman and children and the innocent elderly are " kidnapping and extortion."
You won't get an argument from me. I agree 100%
I'm sure that you have nothing but the best of intentions and are sincere in your very passionate belief in the peace that belief in G-d will bring. But I am a Jew, not relgious, but Jewish. My book tells me, to sum up, as a point of justice, is that Judaism is for Jews. Everyone has the right to worship as they please as long it is moral. That is, you don't go around trying to impose your beliefs on everybody else. Belief in inherent superiority has led to the most catastrophic of wars. Fortunately we did not have to deal with things like chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. And unfortunately those who, by your words, are hypocrites, twist your religion and are after those type of weapons to prove their superiority.
"I do not blame Israel 100% for this, there is responsibility all over, with everyone. But Israel has the power, has OUR missiles and bombs, to a holy war." -TA Sheppard And I thank God it's not the other way around. If hezbollah had our missiles, does anyone doubt that all of Israel would be leveled by now? You cannot tell me that there isn't a big difference between both sides. One would warn innocent civilians with leaflets before a strike while another positions weapons and rocket launchers among women and children to employ them as shields.
The truth is that this conflict has nothing to do with anger or resentment. Its about madness. Its about the current extremist minority (by all accounts) believing that they have the right to rule the world by any means. They have begun by the demoralizing argument that killing so called "guerrilla and resistance fighters" which in reality are murders is killing civilians. When they launch attacks form within civilian populations they cry crimes against humanity when the retaliation comes to "prove" they are right. They rely on this to stir the majority, non terrorists into terrorist supporters. And while we are distracted by the necessity of dealing with terrorism, those governments that encourage and supply them build sophisticated arsenals and war technologies that will one day be used as threatened. If that happens there won't be a world to rule over at all. That's why the terrorists and those that support them must be stopped. Not justification. The sad terrifying truth.
Quote"If muslims stopped fighting, there would be no more war [in the world]; If Israel stopped fighting, there would be no more Israel.".......... ----------------- and if israel got rid of al thier arms in that process....there would be no liberal or nation with backbone enough to stand in the the way of the arab nations that have sworn to elininate Israel and the jews from the middle east....if there is... the current world atitudes certainly don't reflect it ...with the exception of the Bush admin....if the Democrats gain control...the US will cut and Run at the slightest protest...
I find it very telling that you equate my place of residence with ??right wing talk radio hosts like Limbaugh, Savage and Liddy? Sorry to disappoint you Janice but here in Oklahoma we don?t even get two of those shows and I very seldom have time for the other one. Am I to assume that because no one you know supports Israel that you live on the Left coast and get your spoon fed morality from Al Franken? I notice too that you couldn?t pass up an opportunity to lash out at what you assume is my faith. No Christian I know is in a hurry for Armageddon nor do any Christians I know enjoy seeing anyone get killed. But every Christian I know has their heart wide open for God?s truth regarding what?s happening in the world and that is why we support Israel and condemn her enemies, the ones who are truly guilty. Now, I could resent your accusation that I enjoy seeing innocent people die but instead all I feel for you is pity. (Rev. 2:9)
bye bye zionism
Right on! As you so appropriately said, Islamo-Fascism is running rampant throughout the world as we watch the current conflict in Lebanon. Just look in Africa, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, France, the UK, and the USA. These animals will ONLY be satisfied when they have conquered the world and we had ALL better wake up and soon.
Well said about Mark Lincoln and his continued complaining about our President. If he is so upset being an American, he should find another country to live in. I find his constant bitching to be offensive and appreciate your calling him out. Previous posts of mine directed at Mr. Lincoln didn't make it but his lack of objectivity make his opinions extreme at best.
All this crap is leading up to the biggest war of all time...WWIII. Because Israel enemies are a bunch of fools, they are surrounded by a majority of fools who will bring global turmoil as written in the Holy Bible. The only one who will put an end to this is The Messiah.
Unfortunately, I seriously doubt it. I have had a difficult time understanding how so many people can be so blind to the reality of what is going on and how, even with everything put right in front of their eyes, they still hold tight to their "it's all Israel's fault" mindset. I have come to believe that it truly is an illness.
After said kidnapping and killing of Israeli soldiers from Gaza's border, the bringing to Israeli jails of those that would encourage and succor (accomplices) those that kidnapped killed our soldiers from inside Israel is called an arrest.
Allow me to be one of the first to proclaim that the majority of people throghout the world, whether they be Arab, American, African, ect., who declare to be Muslims and represent the Faith of Islam are NOT Muslims at all. Islam just like all major religions are dominated by those who God describes as hypocrites. A sure sign of hypocrisy in Islam is the not following of the Quran, attributing lies an false prohibitions, advocating false innovations in the Name of God, division into sects, and spreading mischief throughout the world. It is about time people of the world cease in referring to these people as Muslims. FACT: A TRUE Muslim devotes entire their religion totally to God alone and follows ONLY the Quran. And makes no distinctions between the Prophets and Messengers of GOD. Only to GOD they SUBMIT.READ THE QURAN,BELIEVE THE QURAN,FOLLOW THE QURAN. IT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR MANKIND!!! 2BCONT.
Your contempt for President Bush is palpable and it's obviously coloring your interpretation of events in the middle east. You need to let it go and take the blinders off before you find yourself the next infidel in the sights of the islamic jihadists. (that is of course, unless you yourself are a muslim who is sympathetic to the militant Islamists)
"If we want a War for Oil, Saudi Arabia is a very good country to attack." - efox I guess it never made the local paper efox, but it did make the Houston Chronicle. The Saudis have wired their production facilities for destruction. And without Saudi Oil, the world's economy collapses. You want to make it to Carrizozo by walking next time? What about Pie Town?
It is hard for someone who watches only the news that agrees wth them to comprehend that most news might not. I have to admit, that when I read it's subtitle "nothing is sacred" I was attracted to "iranian.com." I am certain that the died-in-the-wool Bushiz and Olmert worshipers will never understand that this is a web site composed by exactly the kind of Persians who would NEVER approve of the current government of Iran. Yet it is a reflection of those who subscribe and compose it. And it is not encouraging to the Bushiz and those hard line Israelis who would wish to see the people of iranian.com prevail.
I have to stop reading these responses if I am to retain my sanity. As a pilot I know how small this rock is that we call the earth. Get up there and look at the tiny,tiny sliver of atmosphere that covers it. Then Esther please tell me that there is so much that attaches you to a small area of land that you are willing to sacrifce so much life for it. Can you not see that the battle is to keep the bloody lifeboat afloat rather than worrying about who has some small space in it? Maybe I am reading it all wrong? The idea is perhaps to throw overboard all those with whom you cannot get along to give you more space in the boat. Aaaargh I despair when I read the arrogance in these pages every day. Can you not all see that the only way to survival is to stop worrying about who started it? At least the likes of Gideon Levy see that Israel in thumbing its nose at the rest of us in the boat might piss us off to the point where your presence in the boat is just as undesirable as hezbollah etc.
The Party of Allah. Not The Lebanese Party For Repatriation of the last tiny disputed areas of land, but an arm of the Islamist (in this case Iranian) crusade to take or "forcibly invite" Israel, Saudi Arabia, Rome, rest of Europe and ultimately the whole World into the "Party". Finally even the BBC (!) aired a programme tonight (Panorama) which showed the UK public a little of the reality of how Global Jihadists are raising funds through "charities" in the UK and US, then using this to fund schools focused on brainwashing both boys and girls to commmit suicide-martyrdom. London Mayor Livingstone was shown welcoming some close friends who have openly called for suicide bombings in the ongoing duty towards Global Jihad, killing all non conformists. That's anyone, anywhere in the world, who won't live with their version of Islam on our heads. BUT WILL THE UK PUBLIC START TO REALISE THAT THIS THREAT TO THE WORLD IS THE KEY POINT IN ALL OF THIS?
Do they make burkas for men? Any quick Arabic courses anyone knows of...The fact is that the Islamization of the entire world is far closer than people realize and that Israel is only the first to face this issue head-on.
Ahh.. go on and admit it, you really meant to say a 1 state solution.. the state of p-a-l-e-s-t-i-n-e! goldberg indeed. (Rev 2:9)
"I think that the suddenly intense pressure - and threats - from Saudi are having an effect on Bush and his gang."...Mark I think this is beyond Bush and his gang now. Israel as well as the White House fell into a trap and acted as expected. Ahmadinejad is floating in the heavens now. He along with what is his name the Hizbollah guy are now the saviors of the MUSLIM world. This is no longer an Israeli-Arab conflict. It has morphed into Islam vs. Judaism. Bad news for all. If anyone wishes to expand on the ways out please do so. I see millions dead.............
"If muslims stopped fighting, there would be no more war [in the world]; If Israel stopped fighting, there would be no more Israel."
Nice try, but I notice with all your attempts to declare me a lesser person you failed to address even one issue I mentioned. So that would mean that you T. A. Sheppard are the one who attempts to keep your conversations one-sided. That reminds me, I agree that arrogance isn't pretty. It must be extremely difficult to live life as a type-A personality only to get out here in the real world and find out that there are actually people who don't faint away and bow to you over your every opinion, even when you find you are obviously wrong.
Rich, unfortiunately the issue is far beyond your scope of vision. Mark Lincoln is absolutely correct. 10 years ago Israel was in a much safer and better position in the world among arab and non-arab nations alike. Even a month ago there was more hope for a future than today. But today anywhere outside of the USA Israel is in a free fall. Now, Arabs may not get along with one another. They may hate Persians. The Sunnis may want to wipe out the shiites. But all that is being put aside today. It does not change the overall dismall picture brought about by in-discriminate bombing of a country that was at peace with Israel three weeks ago. Since you seem to note Blair and Geroge's meeting why dont you read what was said: " Israel must consider the consequences of its actions"......
Well said sir! Hezbollah is part of the Islamic Fascist movement, controlled by Iran and facilitated by Syria. They threaten us all, including even there Muslim brothers, because..... Because they are playing with fire. Even if they moved close to destroying Israel, they forget that Israel owns the sixth largest nuclear arsenal in the world. If threatened they will not hesitate to use it. The Israeli cabinet refers to it as "The Bomb in the Basement". Just in case.....
MR. who ever you are. You don't know about Islam. Do not spin everything that you did not know for sure. It is better you ask first to the first hand then you make a comment. Please click www.islamonline.net, if you want to ask about everything Islam. I hope you will get the truth. (Unless you are narrow minded human being). I believe that there are plenty of good Jewish that concern about peace.
Lebanese P.M. today expressed his praise and gratitude to Hezbollah for their loss of life. Does that sound like he wants Hezbollah OUT of Lebanon? You can call the terrorists Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al-Qaeda, Muslim Broterhood, whatever. They all have their own agendas in their little neighborhoods in this great world. But in addition to their own personal goals, there is the Uummah, the Caliphate, the one-mind, one-goal, one-religion (Islam), one-law, sharia. Just say NO to Islam
Israel will come its senses when the American public realise that its government is run by AIPAC spies and neocons. That day is not far. Then the billions of my tax dollars going in aid to Israel will stop. That will stop bombings of innocent children
You are either very naive or just ignorant of the facts. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization with the stated goal of the elimination of Israel.They have hijacked the sovereign nation of Lebanon. They entered Israel's border, kidnapped two soldiers, killed eight others, and rained down rockets on the population. Hezbollah is pawn of the Islamic Fascist state of Iran, that every day publicly states that they will remove Israel from the face of earth. learn your facts....
Called kidnapping and extortion.
Just wondering shane, is your sole source for news by any chance al jazeera?
I just thought that some could use a word or two of support with all the anti-Israel comments that get posted on here. I find it amazing and very disturbing that there are so many people in this world who are so totally blind to the truth of what this is all about.
Oh boy, you sound very angry.and all because someone appealled to humanity. It is a post on a message board not formal negotiations. Calm down, have some warm tea, breathe, theer you go...relax! LOL........I think you like one-sided conversations. What you believe is right, and no one else, ESPECIALLI nonJew is going to offer YOU any advice or wisdom! Arrogance isn't pretty.
The resemblance between Iraq and this bloody affair is so strong. All this so Ariel and its ilk can keep making a 2 state solution impossible.
Oh yeah.. boudi is the epitome of peace loving Lebanese. Please tell us T. A. Sheppard, exactly what did boudi offer the Israeli?s that they could possibly want? Their IDF soldier?s back? No? No more attacks by hezbollo? No? A REAL democracy in Lebanon that would be willing to work with Israel instead allowing Lebanon to be used as proxy state for Iran and Syria? not only No.. but Hell NO! Fact is T. A. Sheppard, boudi didn?t offer camel crap.
Israel didn't take Shebaa Farms from Lebanon and you were not the interested in that patch of land until Syria lost it. The UN has already decided that this is a non-issue so if you want peace, forget about the farms. I notice you didn?t say a word about the IDF soldiers who are supposedly being held in Lebanon but you want Israel to return all Lebanese prisoners, which amounts to 1 who was convicted in a court of law for murdering a family. Why you want that kind of person back puzzles me, but I doubt it?s going to happen either. Targeting Lebanon? Why did you allow hezbollo to stage a war in your front yards? If you don?t want your people getting killed, perhaps you might want to reconsider this option next time you decide to appease Iran and Syria. All your talk about wanting to live in peace beside Israel is nothing more than a passive aggressive means for demanding everything you want while offering Israel nothing but a promise to hear from hisbollo again. How big of you.
I believe Israel has a right to exist. I also believe peace is not in the best interests of those Israeli's who want ALL the biblical land, and to hell(literally) they say anyone who may be living there now. They can go, God has sent them! Give me a break. You sound very anti Arab....or is it just plain ignorance, or fear maybe? Go on all you want about how muxh more special and good the Israeli's are....it is this imbalance and attitude gets you guys in so much hot water.....you want it all. You want billions in US dollars because you wouldn't exist without it? Don't bite the hands that feeds you. Be grateful. What do you think about Gideon Levy?
Before 1945, all of chistians and Europe was over your head. Did you have any problem with islam then? Read the history, please. Please, dont blame others for what happens to you. Look into the mirror. I am sure, you will see nothing but arrogance. Have you ever asked yourself, why do natives hate you, where ever you go? Can't you be real for one second? Have you asked yourself why you couldn't live in europe? Why you had to come to middle-east, a land for arabs? Why many of you immigrants cant live side by side with arab jews? Why all countries refused to accept you in their land during world war II? Don't you know that the world fought 2 world war just because of you? Please, please, I beg to you humbly. For once, leave your arrogance behind. And, just try to be like rest of us be it christians or muslims. We dont want to see another world war being fought just because of you. We dont want any more hatred. We want peace. Stop taking advantages in the name of holocaust.
Rich, as I recall we bombed Afghanistan they went ON THE GROUND. We bombed Iraq and then went ON THE GROUND. Yes we use high tech weapons but follow it up with the meat and bones. Israel thinks they can bomb and run with no troops. You know it is true, so don't respond. Everytime Israel tryies to gain ground they get killed or run like little boys. Response? Rich?
First you call me "my dear" and then you call me "Mr. Adams". In between you try to tell me how complicated all this is but only succeed in convincing me that you're just very confused. I too can see where emotion, anger, and resentment played into the PM's refusal to speak with Condi. He, like hizbollo, never expected Israel to stop playing by their rules and fighting this tit-for-tat war and when they did, he realized what a horrible mistake he'd made by allowing terrorists to stage a war in Lebanon?s front yard. He must be extremely worried that the Lebanese people will soon figure him out and hold him responsible for what he allowed them to be subjected to. But, refusing to hear what else Condi might have to say was another grave mistake. As for Israel having U.S weapons; so what? Without them Israel wouldn?t exist any longer and despite what you or any Arab/Muslim thinks or wants, Israel does have a right to exist. And unlike Israel?s enemies this is a fight for survival.
They are at home Tulip, because they did not pay for the bombs and the military weapons used to destroy those countries... at least not directly. That is why they are furious ... their country gives billions to Israle.. and what is more they send an express delivery of more cluster bombs so that the Lebanese need more of the medicines they are also sending them... ( i think there is no express delivery for them... just normal mail... you know)
Have you ever, just perhaps considered that if the Golan heights and all pre 67 land were returned to its ORIGINAL owners most if not all of the hatred towards Israel would abate ? M.
I wish more Israeli's would listen to posts like yours.and see the possibilities, but I am afraid they see Lebanese and demonize you all as one bad group. I hate seeing this partof the world be so divided and so destructive, and so many religious ones claim it will never be peace because God said so. Peace is possible, the ignorant and extreme are running the region right now. I feel sorry for the decent ones on both sides. It's tragic and senseless.
Interesting way to fight, those terrorists use... They say, "I'll hid behind my grandma and fire a pistol or a missle. Then I'll blame Israel for killing my grandma." What a bunch of cowards.
"Fouad Siniora [...] said his country would not talk to the Americans over anything but an unconditional cease-fire." - T.A. Adams What had you expected him to do then? Rice has been babbling for two weeks doing nothing but blocking any ceasefire arrangement. She is also responsible for the ongoing carnage among Lebanese civilians. There is only one other thing Siniora could have done: not talk with Rice, but arrest her and hand her over to the ICC.
the world owes a big thanks to USA only they are too dumb to see it, especially the Europeans. The world would be a very dark place without USA.
cont....unfortunately the indian govt. is spineless when it comes to confronting rogue states like bangladesh and pakistan which want a india to convert to an islamic state and to serve that purpose they have infiltrated thousands of intelligence operatives from northern india - kashmir and eastern india from assam and bengal. unlike israel if our 20 soldiers were kidnapped and taken hostage by pakistan army our country would have made little noises here and there in teh international community and gone begging to the superpowers to 'request' pakistan to release our soldiers. why? because we are 'peace loving'!! bloody hell if lebanon has harbored gangsters in their country then they ought to pay the price and if they side with them then they simply need to DIE.
i guess you'll be asking US military not to use their high tech eqpt as well
dear Israili friends we know in india what it is to live amongst terrorists who bomb our busy streets on religious festivals (new delhi oct 2005) and our trains brimming with daily commuters planning their day's work @ the office. even though the govt. of india has voiced its condemnation of israili 'brutalities' in lebanon we the public support you to the hilt ( i am only referring to all non-muslim communities here). we know when innocents are hit for no reason the blood curdles and the craving for revenge grows and we humans arent saints or Gandhis of 1947. we are simple human beings trying to go about our business in a peaceful manner and there comes in a nerd jehadi who knows nothing but killing people in the name of fake religion which is meant to serve his greed. we indians feel that israel is doing the right thing since it was provoked by the capture of its soldiers who had the right to defend their country and so has israili govt the right to defend its soldiers....cont...
"islam is as much of a religion of peace..." Either someone forgot to tell the Muslims or someone forgot to tell you to pull your head out of the sand and take a look at what they're doing around the world in say Kashmir, Sudan, Congo,. Here's an article that just may open your eyes a bit. Or maybe not.. http://www.stanguthrie.com/2004/12/is-islam-religion-of-peace.html
Not that I'm doubting your word, but do you have scripture that supports what you said in post 39?
This is not a black and white situation my dear. Just because today, after so many innocent children dying the Lebanese PM not wanting to talk with Condi does not mean the lebanese do not want peace. LIke only talking to Condi can bring that.give me a break. While I do not support Hezbullah.At all. I can see where emotion, anger, resentment would have the Lebanese saying things and siding with 'loyalties' not in his best interest, or his people. He does not see it that way. This battle with Lebanon did not start a week ago, or a year ago. It's not even about WHO started it anymore, it's about ancient and some recent resentments and grievances that no onw ants to talk to EACH OTHER about,k without having body bags. BOTH sides have this mentality, Each does it in the name of God. It gets complicated Mr Adams. I do not blame Israel 100% for this, there is responsibility all over, with everyone. But Israel has the power, has OUR missiles and bombs, to a holy war.
I doubt if Syria and Iran will suddenly just go away. yet she refuses to include either in her dialog. M. Your right... Ezekiel 36 tru 40 say they won't go away till G-d does it !
the arabs and muslims never were and never will be your friends. when you begin to understand this and stop confusing yourself with your phd analyses - great. The entire muslim world doesnt care about the mass slaughter of muslims in darfur nor did they care ref algeria or iran/irak. Kofi is an abject failure and hyocrite ... with 8000 losing their lives daily in congo due to conflict, for him the humanitarian disaster where he can play the self righteous BS is Lebanon. The UN and and Arab world are full of BS. Bush and Blair know what the stakes are and if you listen to the entire press conference when they met in Washington a few days ago you'll hear that they know exactly what this is all about.
I just wanted to tell you that T. A. Sheppard and a few others like him who claim to be Americans are NOT representative of even one other American I know. I have serious doubts that these anti-Israel mouth pieces even are Americans. Everyone that I have talked with here, and I do mean EVERYONE has voiced concern for what Israel is going through and support for Israel and your IDF/IAF during this critical time. Our churches pray constantly for G_ds protection over you and a great many of us write our representatives in Washington DC regularly letting them know that we expect them to support you as well, both in Washington and in prayer. My only fear is what will happen to Israel if and when the United States is no longer here to help and support you. Should that day come.. I fully trust that G_d will help you more than we ever could.
can't fight man to man, this isn't a video game anymore Israel , you will have to fight lie a man soon and th wholw world now knows you can't win that fight!
wake up before it is too late
anyone making this into a war of religions is retarded, islam is as much of a religion of peace as is judaism, as is christianity as is budhism etc. there is zealotry and atrocities committed by people claiming to represent all of these religions. anyone who incites religion as being violent is beyond ignorant and only seeking to perpetuate violence and create hatred. we are all children of abraham and in this together, earth is the mother for us all. there are no winners in war, if we cannot find peace in our hearts, how can that trascend to the political arena and beyond
If we want a War for Oil, Saudi Arabia is a very good country to attack. All of their high tech American Weapons and Desalination Plants are operated and maintained by Americans.
“Innocent Women and Children in Israeli Prisons”? Would you include the “Innocent” Woman who stabbed a female IDF Officer in the neck? Only The Islamic World considers Murderers Heroes and attempted Murderers Innocent. As far as that rotting set of barns in Shaba, they looked Syrian to me and of course, Syria is never going to see Golan or those Rotting Barns returned so long as they pretty much admit their intention to use them as a launch pad for more Missiles in to Israel. Sort of like how the Syrians in Lebanon are going to lose the areas they wish to use as launch pads. Wait, do you hear that, it is the sound of the Islamic World frothing at the mouth and gnashing its teeth in frustration that A Billion Moslems with Dozens of Countries can not destroy the tiny state of Israel.
After meeting with the Israeli government again Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice left the Middle East without visiting Lebanon this time around. The reason is that Lebanese leaders refused to talk about peace with her and told her not to come to Lebanon. Lebanon's Prime Minister, Fouad Siniora after praising hizbollo for their sacrifices (I guess that would be sacrificial children?) said his country would not talk to the Americans over anything but an unconditional cease-fire. In other words, he?s willing to allow hezbollo to sacrifice a LOT more LEBANESE CHILDREN and even if Israel pulls the IDF off the front lines hezbollo will be permitted to remain there, lobbing missiles and rockets at Israel?s towns and citizens. So tell us again who it is that ?wants to work WITH? the other side?
The majorities of Lebanese don?t support Hezbollah, and wish that this group be disarmed. As a Lebanese Muslim, all I want is to live in peace side by side with Israel, and I believe it?s not that hard to achieve that: Israel needs to return Shebaa Farms back, release the Lebanese prisoners and as a result Hezbollah will put aside his weapons. By the way we don?t hate Jews and we never think of destroying Israel, we hate what the government is doing. Your government is not only targeting Hezbollah, it?s targeting all the Lebanese and that will create more hatred feelings in the region.
Christa wrote: "It is not a war against Hizbullah or islamists. It is a war against Lebanese civilians. And Christians everywhere support Lebanon. Especially in France because oh historical ties. Not Hizbullah, Lebanon." Christa what planet are you living on? You should be ashamed of yourself and DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME!! I can make my own mind up and don't need the likes of you to speak for me. By the way if Lebanon is so dear to your heart why are you living in a lovely peacful mediterranean village? Hypocrite of course....
Iran and Syria may very well “Just go away”, if they keep pushing. “Them or Us” melchizedek, It will be “Them or Us”, and it sure as Jahannum won’t be us.
Quote "it is those people who will ensure that America does not lose sight of what is important." lets hope america does keep israel as its piority....however with the liberal press crying the blues over israels enemies ....causing a cut and run paranoia...it does cause me some concern....
Does anybody believe that an Islamic army would ever kill an Islamic militant will he was trying to kill and Israeli soulder? Has that ever happened? Of course not. Even a Lebanese army dedicated to the State of Lebanon and not to any Islamic terrorist group coul;d never be expected to defend an Israeli border from attack.
Darur may not be the topic but I would sugest that those that are so senitive to atrocities that may have been commited by israel go out of thier way to ignore the atrocities commited by moslems to thier fellow moslems in Darfur....which by the way is much far more herendious...
What rules are those? The rules that call for abducting Israelis and exchanging them for the release of convicted murderers by the thousands? The rules that call for firing volleys of missiles in to Israel? The rules that call for whining to the UN about “Collective Punishment” when the Buildings used to Store and Launch Missiles are hit rather than just, whichever terrorist flipped the switch? Maybe the rule that calls for keeping your family with you when guarding missiles between launches? If these are the rules enforced, I think we are better off without them and in the end, so will Lebanon be better off without them as well.
Before They Smite Unto You.
BBButtt..aren't the Shaba Farms considered part of Syria? For all I care, I'd say give them to Lebanon. And I also agree with you Omar, on the Lebanese prisoners - just set them free so they can go home to their relatives and do with their lives whatever they feel like. I would also give up half of the main big settlement blocks in the westbank (and of course remove all the smaller ones as already Olmert plans to do) But then, after all this is settled, lets get REALLY specific. Shall we agree that if ever from then on one single Syria/Iran made Hezbollah rocket flies into Israel, the U.S. and Israel will nuke Syria and Iran into cinders? That will be the future deal, that will be the new deterrence put in place - sooner than everybody thinks.
America will not be destroyed- but it may come close to that. And America will not unite against Israel, but will always support Her. It is prophesy, and America is also the place where the gathering of the lost tribes began. For that reason was the government set up. G-d had his had in it, that a "gentile" nation would become great and support Israel. But that "gentile" nation has many gathered Israelites, and it is those people who will ensure that America does not lose sight of what is important.
Jews- you are not alone in this. The lost tribes are being gathered, and your long lost cousin Ephraim is back- and supports you. So to be more precise, it will be about 28 million Israelites versus the 1.2 bil Muslims. And Israel will prevail- once and for all!
Margie, this human shield" story is about equal to "no gas chambers". Seem 2 remember the brave boys of the IDF being ordered to stop using Palestinian men as HS's to enter houses in the occuppied territories. Now, doubtless you'll hiss "Anti Semite" at me wont you ? M.
The Saudi Royal Court just issued a eport that included such lines as:"patience cannot last forever. If the Israeli military brutality continues with killing and destroying, no one can predict the consequences and regret will be in vain." And: "If the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other alternative but war." Moreover the tongue of the House of Saud, Arab Times has become bitingly critical of Bush. With the US diverting JP-5 to Israel so that the bombing can be continued, all the situation needs in one more incident like Qana. I interpret the three letter word WAR to mean OIL. I think that the suddenly intense pressure - and threats - from Saudi are having an effect on Bush and his gang. The days of stalling for Israel seem to be over, now, Siniora thinks he has the upper hand, and told Rice where she could stuff herself. Mr. Olmert has undone decades of diplomcacy trying to open the Arab world to accepting Israel both in trade and recognition.
It may be helpful if the good Dr. Rice spelt out how she sees the "new middle east". It seems as though part of it is a Greater Israel including most of Lebanon or,if not that one with a puppet Govt. taking orders from Tel Aviv. However, unless she has a magic wand in her luggage I doubt if Syria and Iran will suddenly just go away. yet she refuses to include either in her dialog. M.
You have played the sympathy card way to much Zvi, the act Hezbullah did was not terrorism, the legitimately arrested 2 soldiers because of Israels refusal to leave Shaba Farms and THEIR REFUSAL to release those innocent womena and children in Israeli prisons.
With all due respect, Tulip, but Darfur, Rwanda, Congo etc. are not the topic here. For criticism about USA policies regarding those, look in the newspapers of the respective countries, or in the relevant sections of the Haaretz or any other newspaper.
Those who know their Islam look a bit beyond the Arab war on Israel to what is happening with Islam. They see non-Muslims suffering either directly under Muslim rule (as in Bangladesh or Indonesia or Sudan or Nigeria), or suffering attacks from local Muslims (as in Thailand or the Philippines or the Caucasus), or suffering from the as-yet only street violence, though on a massive scale (as in France), or from demands by local Muslims for changes in the very political and legal institutions that constitute Western advanced democracy. They see in Denmark the Muslim attempt to suppress free speech, and the other demands and bullying and intimidation and murder that we find in Holland -- Pim Fortuyn killed by someone who admitted he did it because of Fortuyn's opposition to Muslim immigration, Theo van Gogh murdered because of his movie "Submission"; They see in Italy the demand for removing the crucifix from every public place - yeah, the monster is growing its tentacles if we let it..
It should be the Lebanese army, not Hizbullah, fighting Israel. It is an army's duty to protect its country. Why is the Lebanese army just looking and doing nothing ?
It's so true, all nations will turn against Israel and they will be let alone. We can see it every day, more and more people speak against Israel. It's very hard to say our opinion but if we stay faithful G-d will be also with us. G-d bless Israel and I am waiting to see this Day when I'll be in my Land.
It is my belief that even though america is heavily involved right now with the defence of Israel ...I believe that as the time line of this prophcey progresses america will either be removed from the scence or become a part of those nations that is lodged against israel in the final battle... the prophcey clearly says G-d is the one that destroys the nations armies that surrounds Israel and jerusalem.... ....some thing for everyone to concider... Where will you stand at that final battle?
The real assassins and terrorists in this miserable situation, are the "Top Guns" of the Israeli Air Force. From their safe seats in US supplied aircraft 30.000 ft up in the air, they decide life and death on the ground. A motorbike with a lone rider, a car with a fleeing family, a bus or an ambulance. All that moves is free prey for these assasins. When a moving "target" is spotted, it is terminated (read: blown to pieces) with US supplied missiles (being flown in through Prestwich Airport, UK, as we write). Who cares if it is a family fleeing the war, - they had been warned before and should have gotten out then. What do these "Top Guns" feel like when they return to their base for lunch ? Suppose they don't care, because they are fighting "terror".
Since it was created Israel has relied on brute force as a deterrence and to ensure its security. It is a weapon that has become completely blunted. The only good deterrence, which improves your security is to address the root causes of the conflict between Israel and its neighbours. Address the occupation of Palestine, Syria (Golan heights) and Lebanon (Sheba'a farms). Start acting like you want to become a part of the Middle East, not like an alien military fortress in the middle of Indian territory. Start showing some respect for the lives of Arab human beings. It's called common sense. Unfortunately it is difficult to believe that successive Israeli government have not considered this approach. It seems that they care more about land and military hegemony than peace and for this they are prepared to use even Israeli citizens as cannon fodder.
The Israelis will have to capitulate to their American masters and Shaba farms and many of our prisoners will be returned to us. Olmert said that he doesn't want it to appear that Hizballah won- but it is clear to many of us that its surprise attack and the end results will be a victorious gain and Hizballah will be popular once again in Lebanon for what they have achieved and their bravery. People like Israeli like to talk big, but the T.A. Sheppard's outnumber him by far and they will force Israel to surrender and to give up more. Step by step, Israel is shrinking- the west bank is next and western pressure will demand more.
Nobody has to convince me of the devilish nature of Hezbollah. They are capable of sacrificing their brothers without telling them on forehand. You tell me. But this guerillawar is hard to win for Israel, so I think some other tactics need to be addressed as well.
1) It is easy to criticize 2) It is especially easy to criticize when one is not responsible for taking action. 3) It is not admirable to criticize if one has no constructive alternative in action to offer.
1) It is easy to criticize 2) It is especially easy to criticize when one is not responsible for taking action. 3) It is not admirable to criticize if one has no constructive alternative in action to offer.
Lebanon allowed the Hezbollah to flourish and attack Israel. Hezbollah didn't attack Lebanon it attacked Israel. Three Ministers in the Lebanon cabinet are Hezbollah representatives. Sounds to me like Hezbollah and Lebanon have very close ties.
What gives Israel the right to rain murder, mayhem and terror upon civilians whose crime is that they happen to not be Jewish and live next to Israel and maybe even welcome the protection of Hezbollah. After all, what exactly make hezbollah terrorist? they kidnapped some soldiers, but that's not the same as the war crimes israel is commiting. After all, Israel holds numerous prisoners whose crime is that they fought for their own free land of palestine. So Hezbollah kidnaps a couple of incompetent soldiers and israel murders a few hundred kids in retaliation. What's wrong with this picture? who do you think comes out looking good from this? By the way, Mexican gangs kidnapped and even killed US border guards. Not good, but we didn't go to war with mexico and did not turn Tijuana into oblivion. Instead we try and find the guilty parties and bring them to court. But Israel plays judge, jury and executioner. And what makes Israel not a terrorist or outlaw or axis of evil state?
Though it doesn't change the sadness of death and destruction,these seem to be the wives and children of Hezbollah men since their husbands and fathers weren't in the cellar with them. Imagine using your own families as human shields!
It is not a war against Hizbullah or islamists. It is a war against Lebanese civilians. And Christians everywhere support Lebanon. Especially in France because oh historical ties. Not Hizbullah, Lebanon.
Are you disgusted too about the USA policy regarding Darfur, Ruanda, Congo etcetera? Where are the USA protesters on this topic? Why always ONLY protest agianst policy regarding Israel?
Israel has no choice. This will not be the first time that the whole world is against Israel. The muslims hate Israel anyway. It is a choice between going to auschitz peacefully or killing your executioner. Israel cannot destroy Hexbullah without destroying Lebanon just as the world could not destroy the nazis without destroying Germany. Hexbullah terrorists control the state of Lebanon.
What planet are you on Sheppard? Name us one Muslim rally for peace with Jews or Israel. Just one. Name one Muslim rally for peace with ANYONE, for that matter
Not all Muslims are against you Israel, that could change here soon. But until Israel truly wants to work WITH Arabs...Bloodshed. Short of a genocide against the Arabs, do you think you can ever find common ground? Or do Jews have the right to exist over all others? I am disgusted how our US dollars are being used....it needs to stop.
Islam , no matter what vehicle or name they use and there are many , is united in their command in the koran and hadith to annihilate israel and the Jewish people . The terrorist islamic murderers use women and children as human shields . Disgusting barbaric tactics used to create maximum media manipulation to try to get world opinion to force a cease fire . WHY ??Because they are losing and their stockpile of ball bearing loaded missiles which they send without warning on Jewish civilians are being diminished . The only language these murderers know is to be totally crushed then they will say inshallah - god wills it . Weakness or appeasement to islam is a sign of dispicable weakness and encourages more murdering madness . Islam respects strength . ISRAEL MUST DESTROY ALL ROCKETS IN LEBANON TO ENSURE SURVIVAL OF JEWISH LAND INHERITANCE GIFTED TO THEM BY THE G-D OF THE UNIVERSE . ISRAEL'S ENEMIES ARE G-D'S ENEMIES .
I just heard an IDF spokesman on the TV saying they did target the building for they had assessed a Hezbollah asset, which means a rocket launcher or something.
Despite 'all of Islam' on their heads, Israel and the Jewish people will survive and thrive. Just be brave and all will be well. It might be tough and bloody at times, but 14 million Jews can and will withstand 1.2billion muslims.
Off course the Hizbullah has another objective than beating Israel. They are the party of God! And so they are, next to Al Qaida, JI and several Egyptian, Somali and Pakistani groups, at the forefront of a religious powerstrugle between the 5 billion Kufr and the 1,4 billion Muslims (divided in shia and sunni). Well armed Kufr and sometimes hardly armed Muslims. Who are, unfortunately, not afraid to die or sacrifice civilians. They are ruthless. But divided. In so far the now heroic status of Hezbollah in the Arabic world is very dangerous: It unites Sunni and Shia. Never forever off course but for now really dangerous. To beat Hezbollah, unfortunately, Israel would have to be as ruthless as they are or, as the Russians were in Grozny. Even with a wwwar between Muslims and Kufr that might be to high a price.
From here on bombs and prayers will not help. War is already lost. This is the beginning of the end of occupation.
I am in email contact with a Christian Lebanese friend in Lebanon who feels the same as you do. Thank you for your kind prayers.
The article's title says it all. The rest is wishful thinking. Not one command in Judaism tells Jews to force anyone to become religious Jews, or to become Jewish at all. Mohammed, on the other hand, tells "all good Muslims" to convert the "infidels" worldwide to his faith. Voluntary conversion is allowed at first, but those who don't accept are to be met by "the edge of the sword". And exuberantly so. Fasten seat belts, Israel. Better yet, stop Iran before they stop the wold.
It seems that Israel would be far better occupied learning a few lessons before attempting to teach any.
Yes-- Condi's words are flying & she's representing the Bush position. ...Blair has made an appearance next to President Bush, etc., etc., etc. 'There will be no return to the status quo ante.' We have heard all of these words, similar words/proposals before! And--the current photo ops (opportunities) are reminiscent (similar) of past photo ops. Yet-- Nothing has been done! Bush made his big pronouncements when it came to Abbas. And After That-- He & Condi let things go precisely BACK to the status quo ante. The policy was to talk big...& then hurry up & do nothing...& get uninvolved/unengaged. ...Or...to pretend to be involved/engaged...& still do nothing/do as little as possible. The best recent possibility of peace/moving forward...was working with Abbas. Bush & Condi-- Hurried up & did nothing. ...Pushed Sharon to do nothing. Now we have Hamas! After THIS Time-- Who knows who/what we will get. God help us!
if hizbollah had blown up the qana building themselves in an effort to force a cease-fire.they are capable of it.meanwhile watch them milking the tragedy for all its value.
Hi, I am a christian Lebanese & I don't think its going to make any difference whatever you do, the muslim don't want the state of Israel full stop. Also withdrawing today from Lebanon is not helping you its looking like Hezbollah has won. I think you should find another Sharon to fight your war. By the way I heard on CNN that 80% of Lebanese support Hezbollah, its not true most of the Christian are praying that you get rid of them . I know praying is not enough its all we can do good luck to the IDF.
"When a terrorist border incident in which Israeli soldiers are kidnapped" Is kidnapping Palestenian ministers also a terrorist incident? or it is just double standards which thw whole world already know. visit http://www.al-jabr.net/
No one could have pushed these unlikely co-horts to gether as well as the Israelis have. I fully agree with this writer. The fruits of this war will bear a new generation of revenge seekers complicating the life of the rest of us.