WikiLeaks fiasco doesn't embarrass Israel one bit

they've become desensitized to it

It is almost a miracle that Israel comes out smelling like a rose. All the bad things in the middle east and these leaks are almost like they were hand picked by the powerful to get a war started with Iran. Hey one has to wonder how this could be but then again how did one gut get hold of all these records? Amazing just like it was planned. I am not one of those that doubt official reports. If they say the twin towers fell because of the planes in 45 minutes then who am I to ask why building seven did not fall for 10 hours.

When nothing bad is said about Israel and LIEBERMAN, probably the least popular Israeli politician outside Israel, gets a shining review?

The Lebenon and Gaza destruction, the flotilla fiasco, embarrasing a vice president on a foreign wisit, counterfeiting foreign passports, trying to capture a Haaretz jornalist for exposing lawbreaking in the military, and an assanation plot caught on camera. Who needs Wikileaks when you can just make a fool of yourself in public?

No Embarrassment for Israel But lots for Israel's enemies. Given that no secret documents on Israel are leaking out, it rather makes one wonder who's really orchestrating all of this. ######################### Thanks Hugh. Your post says it all.

"Even after yesterday's revelations, we still do not know what was really said in the meetings between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. President Barack Obama, or between former prime ministers Ehud Olmert and Ariel Sharon during their talks with former U.S. President George W. Bush, or between Dagan and his counterparts at U.S. intelligence agencies. Either all concerned read from their talking points during these meetings, or the U.S.-Israel relationship is really handled through avenues that have yet to be revealed." - Haaretz// Is Benn sick today? He embarrasses himself with his "no embarrassment" comment (see my previous post), and here he shows that he didn't read about the source of WikiLeaks. What is being published was gotten from State Department cables. Conversations between the President and Israeli officials, or between Israel and the US Enviromental Protection Administration for that matter, are not included. It doesn't mean "different channels".

I'll simply note that Wikileaks has only unloaded a small fraction of the documents that they have already in hand. You have no idea what is in the rest of them. Even if this particular set of documents sheds no light on the back rooms of Israeli politics, you can be certain that future sets will. Expecting otherwise would be the height of naivete.

This time around, it seems Israel os absolutely on the winning side. Or, perhaps more cautiously, on the side of the few who are not embarrassed by the tsunami of leaks, specially in the Middle East. However, the revelations and the fact they happened will shift relationships somewhat, move them , and require time to readequate and for the dust to settle down. Whether that outcome is beneficial to Israel remains to be seen. What will the official Saudi discourse be from now on? Will it come out of the closet regarding its true stance vis a vis Iran, or will it try to mend relations with its shiite rival? Same with Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Bahrein, etc. What will the USA do now? Wikileaks entered post-modern history for better or for worse.

"A 2009 American government cable released Sunday by the WikiLeaks website quotes Defense Minister Ehud Barak as telling visiting American officials that a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities was viable until the end of 2010, but after that "any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage"... Meanwhile, another cable shows that a 2009 claim by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Iran was months away from achieving military nuclear capability was dismissed by the Americans as a ploy..." - Haaretz// It is clear to the US today, as was previously clear about Netanyahu, that Israel gives intelligence assessments based on the desire to manipulate US policy, not based on reality. This is bad, because Israeli official opinions can no longer be taken seriously. This is a real embarrassment, not the trivial one that comes when some difference between private and public opinions are exposed, because citizens know that they don't get the unvarnished truth, and for good reasons, but they expect that state officials conduct themselves according to the reality of the situation.

Even the UK government were slagged off so i would be damned surprised if Israel is not in there at all. If they aren't any criticisms - however minor or trivial, then one would suspect the origins of the data because let's be honest here, some of the Israeli government are more fanatical the Iranians.

what could we expect? 911 connection? 1000 of nuclear warheads?

the palestinian authority refused ehud barak's proposal to take over gaza post operation cast lead. furthermore, without the presence of the idf in the west bank, it would fall to hamas. yet the obama administration has been relentlessly pressuring israel to make peace. obama needs to wake up and understand that certain realities cannot be changed.

if one is to believe american official claims, all of the weakileak material was stolen by one lowly us army private. the idea that so much material was available to such an individual is a huge embarrassment to the united states. nothing in the materials thus far released is of much surprise. we all know that iran is considered to be a major threat to the region and beyond. the material regarding turkey is more interesting and confirms the position of those of us who have claimed that turkey is no longer a reliable partner for the west, let alone israel.

they cannot cope with the real world where their brothers export jihad around the world and are responsible for terror all over.

Wikilinks causes hardly a rumble in Israeli diprlomacy and actions.

Enen when he's got nothing to say! Even when even he can't criticise Israel! Even when the Aluf Benn bias can't find anything! Even after all of these, Aluf Benn shows his true journalistic talents my writing a pointless article about a non-topic, which says nothing. I wonder if he will try for a Pulitzer prize for this article. With Aluf Benn's inventive imagination, not even this would surprise most of us!!

So far zero ..... nothing, nada, zilch, ...all this in thousands of pages.... But Iran is hated by the entire world .... except, of course, by Haaretz's posters from abroad - the lovers of Ahmadinejad, and haters of Jews coming in legions during the night, when we sleep ....

If Benn says: " Seven weeks before the Israel Air Force reportedly destroyed a Syrian nuclear reactor.." Dagan's statement that ""Despite the fact that Israel has no intention of attacking" cannot be considered a lie, unless it is proven that Israel was indeed the attacker. The compliment that Benn gives Dagan, Barak, Yadlin, Gilad that what they tell our Washingtonian friends and what they tell the Israeli press , " There was no major discrepancy between messages delivered to Israeli press " is admirable and perhaps unprecedented.

If Israel wants to learn the intentions of the Obama administration they do not need “leaks”. All one has to do is follow the writings of Prof. Rashid KhalidI and the Arabists in the State Dept and at the Council on Foreign Relations.

There are better ways to “prove,” a word as subjective as any of the storytelling around the Wikileaks myth itself. The proof, always depending on who accepts the proof, and as is almost always the case, dependent on whether the press itself chooses to report it, which if Israel is involved, is more than a bit predictable itself. Lack of reporting potential Israeli complicity in Wikileaks, knowing AIPAC and Israel have the longest history of accessing classified information and, by far, the strongest agenda for leaking information, could be seen as conclusive proof itself.

It's a bit difficult to accept that the major Wiki information offers so much about Iran and so little about Israel

But lots for Israel's enemies. Given that no secret documents on Israel are leaking out, it rather makes one wonder who's really orchestrating all of this.

Of course not. They were leaked to WikiLeaks by the Mossad, who filtered anything embarassing out of them. At least now the Americans now that Israel is NOT their friend!