Protesters: IDF used .22-caliber ammo at West Bank fence

The Haredim & Settlers aren't engaged in riots, throwing rocks at the IDF Understand???

Marlin, Winchester, Hoban & Mossberg, and other arms can be easily be substituted While you're at it, giving you something else to do, contact the ammo manufacturers and tell them not to ship .22 ammo That would necessiate your having to contact Wolf in Russia, Remington, Winchester in USA and anyone else that makes .22 ammo, and you can add PCM (Korea) to your list Good luck, you have a lifetime of work ahead of you, and nobody's going to pay attention anyways Just in case you didn't know it, Israel is quite capable of making their very own .22's

Check out this similar Haaretz article from January. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054269.html After reading that article in January, I contacted Ruger Firearms. This was their response. "Ruger does not have a distributor in Israel, and has not made any direct shipments to Israel since the early 1990s. Our company was not aware of this issue, and we can firmly state that we do not agree with the use of our products in this way. Thank you for sending a copy of the article, which we have forwarded to our general counsel. Sincerely, Ruger Firearms" I suggest that anyone who disagrees with this IDF practice contact Ruger. Here is the web link. Just click on "Submit Online Request." http://ruger.com/footer/contact.html

and you won't have to worry about bullets

1. The fact that a 22 makes a small hole is not very significant to a person who dies when it hits him. 2. I would agree with your solution that those who don't throw rocks won't be shot oat; my question is why settlers and haredim are exempt from such treatment. Could there be some bias shown here?

They cost a least $2 U.S. when purchased wholesale A little .22 LR HP, is worth about 4 cents, if used properly, it too will clear up the problem with a lot less noise and empty cartridge debris Besides, the .50 will go through at least 2 people, making a hell of a mess of both Nukes would be better, all that would be left would be ashes

If everyone used rocks, who would win? Or guns? The issue isn't how deadly rocks are, or .22 bullets, but who has the overwhelming force- ie the IDF.

"They should use the far more humanitarian .50 cal that American soldiers were up to recently using in high population density areas of Iraq." Aw, that's just weak. Everyone knows real men use an M163 vulcan against protesters. It even has buit-in escalation, as the targetting radar can be used as an active-denial 'pain ray' first, or, not first, just in conjunction with a rain of HE 20mm at 60 a second! And the M113 chassis protects the sensitive operator from pesky rocks, too!

Now I understand why you are the way you are, must have been a rock that did it Next time wear a helmet

Both the Terrorists and Demonstrators were using weapons in the commission of their crimes The former used AK's or similar The Latter rocks Both have the ability to kill if they hit the target properly The Mafia also liked the .22, small noise, not much of a mess Let me know what the policy of your local police department would be if they underwent a barrage of rocks I think it might just be 14 or 15 rounds from a Glock or an HK

NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY, would be stupid enough to use a .22 when hunting for deer, it would only be a weapons of desperation The bullet is too light, too small and doesn't have the penetrating power to get at the internal organs, nor will it make the animal blled fast enough so that it dies, besides maximum range is 100 yards in the hands of a sharpshooter, IT AIN'T A DEER GUN I suggest you look at some ballistic charts At close range, under 200 yards, most hunters would use a 30/30 or .35 Cartridge or similar At longer range a more far reaching cartridge would be required

Oops, I forgot to mention that the Berlin Wall was meant to separate East & West Berlin The Wall in Israel is intended to keep out homicide bombers and seems to work rather well, since fatalities and infiltration have been greatly reduced since it was put in place I assume you lock your doors at nite for safety sake, the Wall serves the same purpose, no more pizza parlors, shooping malls or buses being blown up and innocent injured You may recall your French Separatists are number of years ago , your government also took precaution to maintain security

A .22 weighs about 42 grains, a rock is a heck of lot heavier The .22 will make a small hole, the rock will crush a large portion of the skull if it hits where it's been aimed Really easy solution, don't throw rocks, don't get shot at

When the enemy attacks and uses his own population, schools and housing for attacks, they only have to expect that the reply will be to those that were participants and complicit Remember, how Fahti Hamad bragged about Palestinian's being eager to die for their cause, and Hamas was giving them the opportunity?? Big bombs, no big deal, they were caused by thousands of rockets that started the fracas One thing I can say for you, you don't have the foggiest idea of what war is about, all you have is a keyboard, playing pretend Oh yes, one more thing, surely you remember how you altered a letter I wrote, to serve your devious purposes, truth isn't your forte, you don't know the meaning of the word Scot has some really good tissue on the market, get some, you're so full of it

.22 rifle is a very dangerous gun... how any sensible and humane person can justify or try to down play its power is amazing and dishonors yourself for suggesting other wise.

.22LR ammunition is deadly enough; that's what they used against the Munich terrorists when they were hunting them down in Europe. In that case they were using Beretta auto pistols.

and they drop 2000lb bombs on themselves, bulldoze their own homes(sometimes while they're still in it; how they manage that is mystifying), fatally shoot themselves on a regular basis, beat themselves up at checkpoints, et al. and the worst ones are those darn kids! right, ben? seems the younger they are, the better they are at dreaming up ways of killing themselves to make it look like the idf did it! huh? ben, you really are way out there! and by the way, i'd like for you to enlighten everyone about where the s.o.p. in any american police handbook calls for snipers to be used for controlling protests and riots. sorry ben, but any policeman in the united states who shoots someone for throwing rocks better hope there's no witnesses, and if there is, he better hope he can prove that his life was in imminent danger when he did. maybe you've missed it ben, but the idf methods of dealing with palestinians are more akin to those of the iranian regime than they are to america's. are you SURE you actually live here?

Four times as efficent as a single .50 American's have been using the quads for years and years, they really chew up the targe

A 22 is a bullet!! It is not a BB or a Pellet or a rock. It is also not a water balloon. The article does not mention any soldier or cop being threatened by a bullet! This separation wall is no different than the Berlin Wall. Put a separation wall around my life and I too will become a protestor. The world is watching!

what is one supposed to use bad language? a stone can ALSO kill if it hits the head.... get real.....!

Throw a rock at a cop, he'll use any means necessary, including live fire, to make you cease and desist Upon investigation, he will be EXONORATED, and you can bet on it

Fifty calibre ammo costs too much, makes too much noise, required weapon is a lot heavier than a .22 rifle

They're quite capable of shattering the skull, doing far more damage than any bullet Best part is they don't make a sound, except for the thump when they hit their target Then again, who said the Arabs didn't have .22's and pretend the IDF fired the shots The bullet is so quiet when fired it would be difficult to determine from whence it came especially if it were the type that was intended for use with a sound surpressor (silencer) mounted on the weapon

there would be serious questions raised if someone was shot for throwing stones. so how many would die in sweden?

Fair enough. As long as the IDF uses the same weapons against haredim and settlers who throw stones.

That border dispute was resolved before the US Civil War. You may want to read up on the Gadsden Purchase. The US was hardly a superpower when it was resolved.

children to do it. Get one of the peace lovers to shoot one at you with a sling shot then cry they were only throwing stones.

we would be hearing of how many killed ?

.22 cal rifle is a bit larger than a air rife bb pellet. Every other nation would use 5.56 or 7,62 to break up the rioters but Israel in its kindness uses bb pellets essentially.

as one from any other weapon. being smaller and less powerful does NOT make it less deadly. unfortunately, the idf doesn't want it to be...it just wants to give the appearance of using force that's less lethal to those that think it is.

Those darn Israelis... using banned .22 calibers... how dare they. They should use the far more humanitarian .50 cal that American soldiers were up to recently using in high population density areas of Iraq.

"22-caliber bullets were used "in accordance with strict rules of engagement regarding protesters who intend to harm the security forces and vandalize the separation fence." Ever been hit in the face by a stone? One through your windshield while driving your children?

Stones are weapons. They have killed and maimed. If the Arabs insist on being violent and endangering others, they need to know that they endanger themselves as well- more.

And it's evident the protestors didn't care

as one from any other weapon. being smaller and less powerful does NOT make it less deadly. unfortunately, the idf doesn't want it to be...it just wants to give the appearance of using force that's less lethal to those that think it is.

The IDF's M16 rifle is a .22 (.223 cal or if you wish 5.56MM) It doesn't matter if the .22 was a Ruger, Winchester, Marlin or whatever, they all are able to fire the same projectile There's also .22 magnum's and other variations of the .22, including low velocity that are almost impossible to hear A competent shooter could use a handgun in place of a rifle at that short of a distance The one thing in common that they all have is they make the same entry hole of .22 diameter

FYI, the M-16 rifle the IDF uses also fires a 22 caliber projectile 5.56MM = .223 Calibre Stones the demonstrators use are considerably larger, remember what David to Goliath

The use of the .22's was banned in 2001. The IDF apparently doesn't care.

A it happens, 22 caliber ammunition is quite deadly if one is hit in the right place. At 40 meters a reasonable shot can hit a person in the eye, for instance.