Palestinians threaten to adopt one-state solution

the best deal is to have Jordan in charge of the west bank and gaza, any way all people in the west bank have jordanian passports.

That's a pretty weak response to my post. Why don't you try addressing the FACTS I brought up in response to your misuse of a quote taken out of context instead of trying to change the subject to King Hussein's statement? It is often the tactic of those who know they have been proven wrong to try and change the debate rather than admit they were wrong. It's the result of a bruised ego and not being able to handle it like an adult!

The ' Two State Solution' is not really a solution. Like the term ' Palestinian' it has been turned into the 'big lie'. This ' Road map to Peace' that others would force on Israel is a road map to Hell for at least 5 million Jews. If you think Gaza is bad then continue down this slippery slope and don't complain when the truth finally dawns and reality becomes the ultimate nightmare. Go ahead and give half of Jerusalem to the Palestinians and dice up the rest of the country into semi-autonomous islands of hatred and jihad. Then there will be a one state solution as Israel will no longer exist for all practical purposes. Isn't this what the Palestinians really want? The Middle East is marching at quick step toward Armageddon.

If you're being paid for your effort, give the suckers a break and return the money, you have absolutely no say in the matter

Dear 'cousin'.If the pals are the Jews' relatives, how come Abu Mazen, who is supposed to be a 'moderate' pal, just named a square in Ramallah after a suicide bomber, that killed civilians?How come you train children to hate Israel and to kill in so-called vacation camps? If you are supposed to stop incitement against Israel (as you signed in agreements with Israel), how come the pals - even though they have been firing kassam rockets at Israel - are constantly trying to have international courts to accuse Israel of a 'massacre' in Gaza (Goldstone)? The basis for what I write is not hatred, but realism, Hassan.Instead of planning suicide bombings, why don't you try and get a Nobel Peace Prize?You are too ignorant to realise it, but, even under Israeli rule, the economic situation for the pals is much better here, than in any arab/muslim country.I am not a racist, but how do you explain that 99.99% of suicide bombers are muslim, Hassan?Greetings to Suha.

Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan "The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan," said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981. "Palestine and Jordan are one..." said King Abdullah in 1948. According to Arab-American columnist Joseph Farah, "Palestine has never existed - before or since - as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire, and briefly by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. There was no language known as Palestinian. There was no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a Palestine governed by the Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc."

war... we will protect our homes... we will kill many arabs and they will kill many of us. but thats what you war mongers want? all you anti semites who post here... dead jews and arabs... to make up for you two failed missions happening now. stay out of our business. these refugees have a home in jordan and egypt. they attacked us in 48, 67, 73 and 82 and LOST!!! they LOST!!! GET IT??!!

Period.

Instead of asking the Israelis for worthless paper agreements, the Palestinians should just decide what paper they want (e.g. passports, etc), and have it printed in Europe. Once their country exists, they can negotiate borders, by hook or by crook...

you dont want peace with the palestinians pased on a two state solution , you dont want the one state solution. but you want the palestinians gone , well thats not going to happen we are not gonna vanish and so long as there is no palestine israel will not be able to live in peace . after all it was the muslims who got the jews to live in the holly land after they have been kicked out or wiped out three times befor. 1017ad there after.

try texas perhaps...or crete...maybe somewhere in the black forest...lol

A: PULL out all its troops and thugs in the west bank back to 1948 borders . b: one state for all, muslims, jews and christians with equal rights, to live in peace and harmony. just like old times

"So, what if there was never a state of palestine" CJ Ask Erekat who is talking about "Historic Palestine" in his new plan of one state! Please remember to ask him when & where that state historically existed ! And more important when Jerusalem was the Capital City that the Chief Negotiator imagined its existence ! "There was once a small kingdom for a very short time" CJ There was never a time,short or long when any other nation had this land as a kingdom & Jerusalem its capital ! The ownership of this land changed hands only by occupiers through out history. Its ownership as a State was exclusively by the Jews. They were driven out & now they came back. Jordan was also an occupier that never had Jerusalem its Capital or made this land with a defined borders part of the Hashemite Kingdom. The Palestinians claim on this land is nothing more than Smoke & Mirrors & have no historic grounds. An Arab propaganda they try to establish its non-existing truth by force & lies.

Let me review the relationship: Abram came Ur, which is now in Iraq, so Iraqis and Jews are related. In fact Abrahams second son Izaak's wife Rebeca was a cousin maybe once removed. Ishmael, Abrahms first son by Hagar (who was very beautiful) is the father of all the Bedouins. Now Izaak and Rebeca had twin sons Jacob and Esau who was first born. So Jacob was junior in standing to Easau but he tricked Isaak who was blind in old age to give him the blessing that Isaak thought he was giving Esau. What does all of that mean?--it means nothing. The spoils belong to the victor, and the victor writes the history. nobody other than God gave the Hebrews the land of Canaan and nobody other than God gave modern Israel to the Jews. in each case the Jews had to fight , to conquer and to cleanse the land of those who might stab it in the back. Joshua did as did those who came after him. Modern Israel better deal with the well advertised threat from Arabs in their midst and their frontier.

Arab and Jew need a divorce not another stage for a renewed war of 1948.

as a human shield and then pretended it had the best interests of pals in mind......From 1947/48, and even well beforehand, those whom we now call "palestinians" have time and again made the bed in which they now sleep, refused to accept any responsibility for their actions (much like the rest of the arab world deeply involved) and convinced naive foolish individuals with no real education on the matter to sympathize with their "plight" founded upon hatred, jealousy, and insecurity froma time long before israel or the so-called "occupation" ever-existed.

disturbingly misinformed, twisted, and blatantly obtuse versions of jewish history I have read.... what kind of educational background do you have?

threatening,...and when they dont get what they want....its violence and terror while absurdly pretending as if there has never been nor will there ever be any other way....that is precisely why many are lost and disturbing

Hassan, I am Jewish, and I agree with you. Name calling has no place, and will only make the conflict worse.

'So the Jews have the right to the mandated Palestine more than do the Arabs, who are illegal squaters' and this is because at a certain point in history (somewhere aruond WW1 apparently the circumstances were what they where. Hmmm.. using the same logic, because there was a big bang, I'm allowed to squat on your head? very curious.

palestinians, just do it!

Sure, Israel is much more powerful, but the Palestinians still do have power. The foundation of their power is that Israel is politically incapable of pushing the 2 million or so Palestinians out of the West Bank. They are there to stay, and are growing in numbers. If the security forces and government were disolved, Israel would have to pick up the slack inevitably. Eventually, by some force, the Palestinians in the West Bank would have to be considered citizens, and the day that happens, the dream of Israel is assuredly over. Don't be so damn sure that the Palestinians are incapable of threats.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/7736/middle_east.html December 2000 Clinton Parameters In late December 2000, Clinton mounted a last-ditch effort to make peace before he left office. Known as the Clinton Parameters, the plan offered proposals for dealing with the most protracted problems: settlements, Jerusalem, and refugees. The plan offered the Palestinians: ?Control over a sovereign, contiguous, viable state recognized by the international community. ?Sovereignty over Al Haram al-Sharif in Jerusalem. ?Control over the Arab sections of Jerusalem, which would serve as the capital of a Palestinian state. ?A comprehensive settlement plan for refugees that offered them several options: return to the new state of Palestine; return to the state of Israel (with restrictions); resettlement in a third country; and/or compensation. The plan offered Israelis: ?The right for 80 percent of the West Bank settlers, most of whom live near the 1967 borders, to stay put. ?Security guarantees. ?Control over the Jewish sections of Jerusalem, which would be internationally recognized as the capital of Israel. ?Control over and access to Jewish holy sites in Jerusalem, including sections of the Temple Mount.

The population projections by a demographer from Hebrew U. is not the last word in Arab growth.ProCon.org suggests for 2020 and 2050 a continuing Jewish majority in Israel,the West bank and Gaza, as well as a much greater Jewish majority in Israel proper.Your views are much more pessimistic than others who study such trends,but,then,such statistics can swing in any direction.What is more important are the contributions to society and the world any people bring to the table of mankind.The Jewish people began nearly 4000 years ago;I am certain they will be arounf another 4000.

have to start making friends for the one state to happen. when i grew up only the jewish kids in my class were classy. it's not that hard.

'Perhaps you are not being vocal enough [on a talkback?], since every time I see one of yours they are either baying for Iranian blood or supporting far right posters.' I am no 'far right poster' when it comes to the civil rights of Palestinians. They deserve lives filled with peace and dignity. But Israel's survival as a Jewish state is non-negociable. Your hyperbole ('baying for Iranian blood') is true only so far as my desire to see the destruction, peaceful or otherwise, of both the Iranian nuclear programme, and of the mullah's regime itself. I have great respect for the Iranian people, and hope their revolution succeeds. 'Did see a classic rant of yours on J.Carter a few weeks back ...' I have both praised and criticised him. He has done much good in this world, but over the last few years has also convinced me, through any number of unbalanced remarks, he is no friend of Israel. You'll excuse me if I possess an open mind and a propensity to adjust my views.

Thanks for asking.Israeli Druze MK Majallie Whabi served briefly as Israel's president in Feb.2007 when Moshe Katzav was on a leave of absence and acting President Dalia Itzik travelled to America. He was deputy speaker of the Knesset.MK Majallie Whabie currently serves as MK for Kadima and is Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs,as well as Deputy Speaker of the Knesset.When he was appointed President he said that his appointment as acting president was an answer to those who accuse Israel of being an "apartheid" state.

by Gurion as part of Israel,s UDI. Those are still israel,s borders---whether the bird from outer space thinks so or not. Truth = nonsense on your planet---huh conehead.

Jordan was never part of Palestine and it will never be. Jordan has always been jordan even under the British Mandate and it is a very well known fact that Historic Palestine has always been between the Jordan River and the Miditerranean Sea. Why do Blind Zionists always insist on fabricating facts and myths. I,s not going to work , readers are not that fooloish.

Argentinian resources. When are you going to pay compensation for the hundreds of dead young Argentinians? Israel claims it s country the same way as you do. YOU cant have it both ways anti "Zio"

What we are talking about is Three State solution vs. Two State Solution. Former Mandate Palestine was split into three states: two Arab states and one Jewish. Two of them Jordan and Israel already exist. So what Erekat wants is TWO ARAB STATE SOLUTION. Just cool... nothing else to say.

since the last american elections, ever more people are posting ever more nonsense.

The United States. They added two states Alaska and Hawaii.

agree as usual. be well, cipora

I am sorry to say it jerusalem jew , but your comments about arabs and palestinians are full of hate, descrimination, and rubbish. You are a blind hater, you beleive that arabs and palestinians are sub humans . Arabs and muslims contributed to the world much more what you think . they contributed alot when the rest of the world including jews were very well asleep. I really feel sorry for you. you may need some counseling cousin. After all, we are family Jerusalem Jew.

The EU still believes that Europeans control the earth. Wake up and smell the new order. Europe is not essential. Europe allows genocide to take place in its own backyard, remember the Balkan wars between Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia? Europe cannot be trusted. Europe lost all their best genes during the fighting in WW1. What is left is being taken over by Muslims.

Yet another 'original' opinion from one of the billions of the Arab-sympathizing, Jew-hating scumbags attempting to wheedle out of their unpunished aggression of 1948 and ignominious defeats. Israel accepted the border in '47, but the Arabs (all of them around the entire world) did not. Got that straight buddy?. The subsequently were pushed back and an armistice was agreed on in 1949, with new demarcation lines. Then nthere were more wars and new boundaries set based on armistices in 1967 and 1973, Then there were peace treaties with egypt and Jordan that set the border with those countries. The Palestinian Arabs were not a party to any of those agreements. they are not a nation nor an ethnic group. They are simply residents. Since 1948 many countries borders have been changed without the UN's interference, including those of China, the USSR, Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Yemen, Jordan, Germany, Estonia, Lithuania, Checkoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Cyprus, Armenia, Pakistan, Bangladesh.

if it comes to war. We will make war on Europe if the EU attempts to attack Israel or support Muslim attacks on Israel. Swiss Dino's international community supports the terrorists, yet they won't allow minarets to be built. Hypocritical?

'Roo off-the-rails in his railing' Well, you should have seen the reply to Morris' response. Apparently its censored. Can't imagine why, it's entirely innocent with only moderate railing. Might try tidying it up for one last try.

Unless [as some will happily accept] a full blown apartheid regime is the future of Zionism. Ehud Barak has said much the same thing. A 'viable' 2 state or an apartheid regime. If the 'viable' state does not come about it will no longer be just an academic discussion. Israel will without question become the new apartheid regime. At the moment 'one state' seems idealistic, but in the future it could become the only viable option. "Professor Sergio DellaPergola, a demographer from the Hebrew University's Institute of Contemporary Jewry , given to low-key predictions, estimates that by 2050 Israel's Arab sector may grow to nearly 30 percent of the population, "and although the Jewish majority remains stable with such a ratio, such numbers are more typical of a binational state, with all that the term implies." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=432222&contrassID=2&subContrassID=3&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y The growth rate of the Arab population in Jerusalem is almost double the growth rate of the Jewish population and could reach parity around 2035. The population in the OT's alone projected to go to 11.8 million. This set against a projected 7 million Jews in Israel effectively ruling over 14 million Arabs. Not only will there be far more Palestinians and Arabs under Israeli military rule than Jews but the Arab populations of her neighbours are growing rapidly. From 350 millions to 700 million by 2050.Jordan and Syrias pop' much more than doubling. All within one generation. See UN Population Fund study titled "The State of World Population 2001" Over the next couple of decades the US is going to be ever more under geopolitical pressure to recalculate its priorities abroad in the face of worldwide trends in Asia which undermine its hegemony, whilst its economy slow bleeds toward mediocrity even as its military consumes ever larger shares of the national cake. This is the paradigm shift that can together with demographics create the perfect storm for Israel.

No I never noticed those Morris. Perhaps you are not being vocal enough[on a talkback?], since every time I see one of yours they are either baying for Iranian blood or supporting far right posters. I will have to look out more diligently for the MV 'outliers' in future. Did see a classic rant of yours on J.Carter a few weeks back though.Quite irrational. In a recent 'Jimmy Carter to U.S. Jews: Forgive me for stigmatizing Israel ' talkback you condemned Carter, [referencing his plea for understanding/apology] that he has been spewing anti Israel tripe for *several years*: "the same anti-Israel tripe he`s been spewing for the last several years" Morris V #63. url below. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1136829.html YET, If Carter really had been 'spewing tripe for several years' then how come you were on these very pages on the 13 Dec 2008[1 year earlier] at #62 on this talk back, having this to say about Carter:: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1046157.html "He`s the best ex-president the US has ever had, and I would argue that he is functioning at 110% of his abilities. The world is lucky to have him. You and I should do so much for it." MV, Just 12 months prior to insisting that Carter has been "spewing anti Israel tripe for *several years*" !!! The MV clone has apparently not been properly reprogrammed. Toodle pip.

CJK, Zionist forever you then want perpetual war and instability in the ME. Time, demography, arm race and world opinion are not on your side. Better compromise now and adopt peace and the 2 states solution.

Even if they would gain their desired one state, the result would be inter-factional fighting, each side jockeying for power over the other, brother against brother as per usual

Would Syria settle for 1967 borders?

... but agree that Roo off-the-rails in his railing...

... but you have gone a bit overboard... Knesset speaker, when was that?...acting president, when was that?... the rest of the roles are possible in small measure, but in the limited instances achieved it was no easy matter...the reality is many Israeli Pal academics hopelessly under-unemployed or unemployed, except for a limited number of instances... now that there is a shortage of doctors, it is true that more Pals are beings employed... but, wow, a one-state solution would have the employment market flooded with Pals... what'll the average Isareli do then?... will we be gracious?...

The internal turmoil of Iran and Iraq are not Israels concern. With the assassination plots we uncovered in the works in Iran and Iraq and in the USA Israel is not getting involved. We have our own nation to care for and our own people who are evacuees from Iranian and Iraq war to lift in prayer. They mass exterminate people and I can only feed the people with the fortune I had that I gave away. I gave away my 977 trillion dollar fortune to be used for the next 40 years for good not war or evil. I created peace foundations and schools and the effects will be seen in 2011. I will not be married off to be a broodmare and be killed for that fortune that I was being held as political hostage for as a kidnapped muslim child in the USA with a good family. I hate the evil money does but we need grasslands, food, and education while I was raised Catholic I am really trying to help my biological peoples with conscious of mind. I hear you. WE need to prove we are not savages to be tamed. Rankoo

Which is why there never has been peace. Read S.Y. Agnon's "The Whole Loaf". When you want it all, you get nothing.

John:Your "dream" falls flat since:(1)Israel would not re-occupy the WB.(2)Israel would not ignore the declaration of a state based on the 1967 lines for UN 242 called for negotiations between the Jewish State and their neighbors.(3)UN 242 recognized the necessity for Israel to retain some land as security against those who attempted the annihilation of the Jewish State in '67.(4)Under your "dream" Israel would have the option of not granting citizenship to the Pals,who would be an enemy population.(5)The only way for the Pal state to be established would be for it to have a significant Jewish population based on existing towns.Whether they would be Palestinian citizens,Israeli or hold dual citizenship would have to be decided by both governments.Since Israel has a large Arab population,there is no reason to believe the presence of Jewish citizens in a Palestinian state would be a threat.The time of nation being Judenfrie has long since passed. Bye,bye bad "dream."

Does the EU have a 'final' solution to the Jewish problem in Israel? May we have an inkling, or an utterance of what is the minds of those great statesmen of the Earth? How about the Mahdi of Washington, with his flotillas of advisers, and emissaries? For how long must Israel tolerate their tormentors and be forced to facilitate their sustenance and maintenance? they are all there to be taken into custody tried and executed--same as is being done by all 'normal' countries like Russia, China, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Korea N &S, Viet Nam, Thailand, .... The only sick and pervrted societies who coddle those who are bent on their destruction are the EU,the US and Mexico. Israel must throw off the shackles of misplaced humanitarianism and start loping of heads. the PA and Hamas won't last a week. A necessarily different but equally effective approach can be used in connection with the Hizballah, Syria and their big brother Iran. As long as there are no incursions from there.

Sir, Your support of Arab terror do not lend credibility to your statements. Start with repudiating London bombing by your local brothers ...

Every Jew in the world was mandated to live there and their freedom of movement was suspended indefenitley. Ah...a guy can dream can't he?

The road network was in response to the ever demanding necessity of security from attacks by your friends.Regarding your concern for the position of Palestinians in the Jewish State,I wish to remind you that a past acting president of Israel was an Israeli Arab;a past speaker of the Knesset was an Israeli Arab;at least one general in the IDF is/was an Israeli Arab;Israeli Arabs are serving in the IDF,as diplomats,doctors, lawyers,scientists,college professors;engineers;business leaders;peacemakers and supporters of the Jewish State.Your ignorance and anti-Israel bias has kept you from recognizing the serious problems involved with the seemingly never ending "peace process."

Many of thaw Arab states that are created are similar to USA creation whereby fighting against an empire they were awarded their independce like Jordan which was originally Transjordan or Saudi Arabia or Iraq so one question to be asked if the claim of Palestinian statehood desires predate WWI is where were the "Palestinians" ( they don't exists as that name pre and during WWI) during WWI where tribes who wanted power andstatehood rose up for it by siding with the Brits?

'Somehow the Morris who finger wagged at his erstwhile sparring partner on these pages just before Obama got elected with the warning, "no more blank cheques for Israel" is but a distant memory.' You have seemingly missed a number of my recent posts here: critical of Israel's housing policies in E Jerusalem; critical of the Israel Antiquities Authority's policies re Jewish religious sites on Arab lands, and suggesting a modified resurrection of the 'Corpus Separatum' concept first described in UNGAR 181; critical of Netanyahu and Likud moving Israel away from its communitarian roots. So, friend, I have two questions for you: 1. Did you actually not read these posts of mine? 2. And if you did read them, how can you possibly claim I stand 'with the more rabid right-wingers on [Talkback]'? Kind regards. MV

...spit on by the Arabs of the Land: In the case of 181, the Muslim-Arabs, local and otherwise, have never accepted Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people, never, since 29 Nov 1947! In the case of 242, the Muslim-Arabs refuse to accept that it does not call for the setting up of any additional state in the region and does not mention even once concepts such as "Palestine", "Palestinians" or "Palestinian state". Having rejected 181 and never accepted the concept of the right of Israel to exist, it is time, for the sake of peace and prosperity for all, that based on 242 the Gaza Strip will once again come under Egyptian rule and most of the West Bank under Jordanian one.

Who are you trying to fool? Israel will never agree to be demographically swamped by millions of hostile, alien Muslims. Keep your Islamic scum on your side of the security barriers and worry about how the PA is going to regain control over the Gaza Strip from Hamas instead,

Erekat plan is no difference. Before the wars of 1967 there was a kind of a one state in Israel where the arab population prosper & enjoyed a better life in in Israel than their brothers in Gaza & the West Bank;under Egyptian & Jordanian rule. The 1-state solution of a kind, was blown up & its time finished ! In 1948 the palestinians given their own recognized state and it was refused by them & all the arab countries. The 2-state solution (with Jerusalem its Capital !) was blown up & its time is finished. What else the world community, the palestinians & the arab wants now ?! Going back in history is no longer a solution; after so many wars & bloodshed! Those who committed the mistakes of the past are the only ones who are responsible for its consequences! Israel was made to pay in blood for the land where it is now & no one can demand more. If any one wants Israel to pay for the palestinians/arab mistakes, they are only leave it for Israel to fight for a just cause.

Nice try with a half-truth PETER SM. You're very good at spreading false propaganda. Anyone who knows anything about Zahir Muhsein knows that he was a pro-Syrian Baathist who was a separatist within the PLO. He was a follower, as was Syria, of the Pan-Arab philosophy. He had his own agenda in regards to the Palestinians. He was a puppet of Syria, who at the time had its own aspirations of taking over the PLO and controlling it through Muhsein in further pursuit of their Pan-arab agenda. His statement clearly served his and Syria's interests, not those of the PLO or the Palestinian people. The Israeli government was, in fact, well aware of this. Israel was more concerned about Muhsein taking over the PLO from Arafat and then having Syria call the shots, than thy were about Arafat remaining in charge. He was killed in 1979 and widespread speculation is that Mossad did it for that very reason. Try telling the whole story next time instead of misusing quotes to suit your agenda!!

The idea is nothing new. Arabs always wanted to supplant Israel with another state where Arabs would be the majority. Erekat is simply stating something that has been the Arab wish all along. They even had thought a name for this new state calling it Israstine. Of course back then they tried several times to do so by force and failed miserably. The only difference today is the speaker?s appearance. Mr. Erekat is neatly shaven, wears a nice suit and looks like an intellectual however the theme has not undergone any transformation. His mentor and Nobel Prize Laureate, Dr. Arafat, was wearing fatigues and a gun strapped to his belt, refused to take showers and had a stub surgically implanted on his revolutionary face. The West loved him. Amazing. The innate inability of Palestinians to learn from own mistakes is numbing.

who now identifies with the more rabid right wingers on here seems to think that others preoccupation with Israel is somehow a reflection of their antipathy for Jews yet presumably sees no parallel weirdness in a non Jews preoccupation with defending Israel at every turn. Somehow the Morris who finger wagged at his erstwhile sparring partner on these pages just before Obama got elected with the warning, "no more blank cheques for Israel" is but a distant memory, a view transformed by something as fundamental as a new gaggle of pals on a talk back.

Let them.Problem solved.

That old guard gave us child molestors, such as Arafat.The pals could've had their state in 1948, but chose instead to attack Israel. Bad call, since that gave them their so-called naqba.There cannot be a pal state as long as the pals' will to destroy Israel is stronger than their will to build their own state.One cannot build one's state by blaming one's corruption and ineptitude on Israel.Israel built a thriving state after one third of world Jewry was massacred.What have the pals got to show for themselves? Suicide bombers?Child molestors?Corruption?Ineptitude? Where are all the palestinian and arab Nobel Prizes? Now, compare this to the number of Israeli/Jewish Nobel Prize winners and you'll know who REALLY contributed to the world.When Suha Arafat's biggest problem is which Gucci bag to choose,while many pals are STILL dependent on international help, then the pals can only blame themselves.

There is no problem. Israel will still be a Jewish State despite the present of minorities in the country.

who now identifies with the more rabid right wingers on here seems to think that others preoccupation with Israel is somehow a reflection of their antipathy for Jews yet presumably sees no parallel weirdness in a non Jews preoccupation with defending Israel at every turn. Somehow the Morris who finger wagged at his erstwhile sparring partner on these pages just before Obama got elected with the warning, "no more blank cheques for Israel" is but a distant memory, a view transformed by something as fundamental as a new gaggle of pals on a talk back.

who now identifies with the more rabid right wingers on here seems to think that others preoccupation with Israel is somehow a reflection of their antipathy for Jews yet presumably sees no parallel weirdness in a non Jews preoccupation with defending Israel at every turn. Somehow the Morris who finger wagged at his erstwhile sparring partner on these pages just before Obama got elected with the warning, "no more blank cheques for Israel" is but a distant memory, a view transformed by something as fundamental as a new gaggle of pals on a talk back.

If we can take your words at face value, then you want the same thing as Erekat: have Palestinians accepted as regular Israeli citizens (one-state solution). Yet all your foaming ("leave for Jordan or the South Pole", they want "the destruction of Israel", "Jewish land that belongs to the Jewish people, period", "Palestinians and other nomads came in (?)", "if they don't like it, lump it") nourishes the suspicion that you want them to be treated as underdogs or (better) ethnically cleansed. Btw, are you an Okie?

"WHAT HAPPENS IF ISRAEL REFUSES THEIR DEMAND FOR A SINGLE STATE?" Let Israel refuse! What difference will that make? Picture this: The Pals after a couple of years of building their institutions declare a state based on the 1967 lines totally ignoring Israel. The Int community recognizes Them. Israel re-occupies the West Bank to show the pals whose boss. All the Pals have to do is dissolve the PA, disband their security force. So now you have an occupied population that will cry out for Israeli citizenship. Under Int Law Israel will not be able to refuse. All the Arabs will want to know is where to go to vote. Having the majority they will elect an Arab as PM. Bye bye Jewish State! A two state solution seems the only reasonable option, and why not? Don't allow the settlers to destroy your country.

They are nothing more than your lies and distortions. there is no point in refuting any since that won't change the opinions of anyone. Here's my bottom line, regardless of how you take it: none of these so called Arab countries existed at the end of WWI. The brits and French created them and gave them independence only after WW II. The Brits promised both the Arabs and the Jews their own states, except that the Brits reneged following through on their promise only to the Jews. As a result 6 million Jews were exterminated by the EU with the active connivance of Britain. You can argue that the arabs helped the Brits defeat the Ottoman empire in the hejaz and thereby earned their ststes and independence. by the same token there is an equally strong if not stronger argument that the Jews in britain were a major contributor to the British war efforts in WWI and even more in WWII. So the Jews have the right to the mandated Palestine more than do the Arabs, who are illegal squaters

Nice try, Ben. Israel, would, of course, love to see these Palestinian regugees obtain the right to vote in these countries, because this would, by definition, end their 60 year status of refugees. It would also undermine any attempt to bring them back to Palestine. This is one of Israel's greatest fears. It is a topic in all the "peace" negotiations and one that refuses to leave the agenda Rather than voting in neighboring Arab countries, the refugees seek to do this in the country where they come from, a not unreasonable proposition.

http://wp.me/pDB7k-l5 The plan has never been changed. In fact, it has been implemented. http://tinyurl.com/y8ewves/myths-mis-conceptions-propaganda/#who-is-being-wiped-off-the-map

day the Jewish People's Council accepted and declared Sovereignty over the borders outlined by UNGA res 181. http://tinyurl.com/yjgh5lj Israel has NEVER legally annexed any territory. BTW So what if there was never a state of Palestine? There was never a state of Israel either until 1948. There was once a small kingdom for a very brief time in history.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ewves/myths-mis-conceptions-propaganda/#Palestinian-state-in-Jordan Only the people who were living in the area that became Jordanian Sovereign territory have/had a right to natural Jordanian citizenship, they became Jordanian. What was left of the non-state entity of Palestine after Jordan was finally carved off, (1946) was still Palestine. It's citizens, Jews and non-Jews alike were Palestinians. After Israel was carved off (1948), what remained of the non-state entity of Palestine was still Palestine. It's citizens are Palestinian, not Jordanian.

For all of us, there will come a time, when we simply "don't get it" anymore, don't worry, might very well happen to me too one day...:)

be it with a single stroke of their combined armed forces, by applying their old skills of terror against the civilian population and adding to it a variety of diplomatic, legal, economic and demographic elements: The goal - eliminate Israel, one way or another. If and when the Arabs finally come around and accept Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people they will make news. That will be a first. But proposing the elimination of Israel is old, very old news.

Well put. And one must wonder just why Swiss and his chums indeed focus on Israel's supposed misdeeds, when they could be out picketing against all the miscreant nations you listed in your post. Actually, it's no wonder at all. Sadly, the world - no matter how bad things get elsewhere - still needs to kick around Israel and the Jews. A diversionary tactic, perhaps. MV

Yeah because we need a 28th Arab state because the other 27 are just shining examples of human rights and progress

why the world presses for one state with two peoples that hate each other i don't know...... separation is the only answer..... don't sacrifice the jews again on the alter of culturlal relativist multiculturalism

One state solution is the only viable solution guys. Forget about lies and none sense ideas. A lot of opinions suggest Jordan as a solution. Some suggest that the Palestinians arrives into palestine recently and palestine was an empty desert before that, B.S. Some Arabs came to palestine when they occupied the wole area but the great majority of the population had been living in palestine since time immemorial including during jewish presence and much before that like the Canaanites thousands of years before our Patriarch Abraham, may peace be upon him, put a foot in palestine. The irony is a lot of you call palestinians may have more hebrew blood that too many european jews but yet because their religion is not jewish they don,t have the same rights. I strongly beleive that one secular state for all is the solution where a jewish boy can play with a muslim boy and a christian one as well.

"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state." - Likud Platform, 2009 elections By now, Netanyahu has agreed to a "two-states" solutions, but this was in a personal speech, neither the government nor the Likud Party has concurred. Kadima, the former Likudniks, are a little softer: Yes to two states, but not a single refugee back, not even the symbolic numbers that the PA has offered. Being a weak leader, Netanyahu will not try to reshape his party's opinion for fear they might overthrow him. My "one-state solution" is that the United States should apply such pressure that will bring about the fall of the Likud government so Israel can adopt a more rational approach. It happened before when the Papa-Bush and Jim Baker administartion brought about the fall of the Shamir (Likud) government.

Don't think there is room for anyone else there. It's also blockaded by Israel and Egypt causing 80% of its population to rely on UN food aid. Don't think it would be top of anyone's "nice places to consider moving to" list.

'but the WB Palestinians still wouldn`t be allowed tovote in this "new Greater Israel".' Question? those sanctions you claim Israel will receive if it does not allow the WB pals to vote? will Europe put them on Jordan, Syria and Lebanon too since they don?t allow them(pals) citizenship or the right to vote?

palestinians have gaza and jordan. arab govts must absorb palestinians as they caused the impossibility of living together. plalestinas should be considered temporaty residents of israel and should be sent to gaza or jordan if they cause problems in israel.

Hey,so called Jordan is available! Weird how 'once upon a time',it was called Palestine too but the Arabs have selective Alzheimer's regarding this fact.

....slightly misinterpreted my post. Of course I didn't have any kind of "military action" in mind to bring Israel on the right (or rather left) track. Ther are plenty of possibilities to avoid hurting Israeli bodies but rather their wallets (boycotts, sanctions, EU trade restrictions), and in addition to that their minds and souls (music/arts boycotts, sports boycotts etc..). Pretty much the same menu Apartheid South-Africa got 25 years ago.... That would happen,if we would get a situation in a few years/decades,where a full Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank wouldn't be pos- sible anymore for logistical reasons,but the WB Palestinians still wouldn't be allowed to vote in this "new Greater Israel". Look,it's true that Israel has tremendous influence over the U.S. (fair enough,you worked damned hard for it...:),but unlike others, I don't believe into the conspiracy of Jewish World power,that could in any way prevent such a widespread boycott campaign....

The Israelis are insisting delivering just that for you. They are insisting on settlements. They are insisting on Maintaining control of the West bank.Eventualy what you are proposing is going to happen on the ground....Disolve the Authority , disband the security forces , let the occupiers step up to the plate and shoulder their international responsibilities.Why settle now .Demand full rights under the law and Israel will truely show its ugly and true face then.......

Israel is gradually being backed into a corner from which it can choose to disentangle itself -or not. It can either make it clear that it wants to achieve a 2-state settlement - by now it must be obvious what is a "fair" settlement based on the blueprint of the Geneva Accord - or it can contine to play diplomatic games. The latter course will leave it increasingly isolated, both in terms of public opinion and in waning economic and military support. Is it strong enough to rely just on its own resources within the ME. I doubt it? Or it can find the Jewish homeland killed off by its amalgamation into a single bi-national state. The UN legitimised Israel. It can do so for Palestine. Will Israel be strong enough to take on virtually the whole world and maintain the status quo? Its current government is encouraging like-minded citizens to think that it is omnipotent. Will they wake up to reality before it is too late?

jokers, Israel will always be here, accept that or cease to exist.

Threat of one state, isn't that what the occupation was meant to acchieve? To force the Palestinians into giving up hope for their own state! Ben Gurion supported the proposal to partition Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state while at the same time, he delivered speeches which made it clear that he did not accept partition as a final solution. One state is the only way for Israel to annex the OT in a legal way with Jerusalem the capital. Once the Palestinians have given up their hope, there is no way back and with jewish laws, no building permits, work, or health care for them, Israel will get rid of them one way or another! With calling for one state the Palestinians themselves make Ben Gurions visions come true!

Then most European countries and the American population (excluding congress as they are financed by AIPAC) will be behind you. If israel reacts violently to your peaceful demand then the world know who the real agressor is. As israel always made sure thaat Palestinians are the agressors and they are the "Victims" . Invite Mandella to help you out. You will be winners.

To those that feel that Israel should negotiate with the Arabs, I offer the following comments: 1) What the world thinks does not matter and what the Europeans think does not matter. You could not protect yourself against the Germans (with the exception of the Russians) in WW2 without the United States help and a vast amount of money for that farce called the U.N. is financed by the United States. 2) When the Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank demonstrate that they want peace, then talks should resume. 3) Every Arab living in Gaza and the West Bank should be restricted from entry and working in Israel. If the Arabs want an ?independent state? in ancient Jewish land, let them take care of themselves without Israel help. This includes providing jobs or electricity to the Arabs-let them drink eat and sand.

Ah, David, thank you for clarifying for me what I want and what compromising means to me. By "Israel want everything" you mean "rule the world" or "rule the entire universe"? Please clarify, so I know were I stand. thanks.

This has never been removed from their "charter", "palestine" remains on the insignia of almost every terrorist entity under the umberella of the plo as occupying every square inch of Israel, and the plo has been bleating out this same message in arabic sinse its demonic birth in '67. Oh my. We are so surprised at this "new threat".

Whether its a two state or a one state dont you think that the base problem is nobody wants to give up the one state. On one side its the Status Quo game and on the other its a two step one state game. Thats why you cant bring them to the table. There are two different tables.

The "international community" doesn't even have the power to make Switzerland give back to the Jews all their stolen back accounts (not just the 4% Mr. Mehli discovered). It doesn't have the power to make North Korea give up nukes, despite being totally dependent on the West for food. It doesn't have the power to make OPEC cut prices to $20/barrel. It can't get Turkey out of Cyprus. Can't get France or UK to end their parasitic colonialism. Can't get China out of Tibet. It can't get Colombia and Peru to end the cocaine trade, or Afganistan to end heroin production. It can't even get the UN "PeaceKeeping" troops in Africa to stop raping children and exploiting women. "Force" well-armed Israel to give up its independence as a Jewish State, Dino - well, ah, how many cities do you want to lose: its not something Rome or Babylon had to worry about, but they would today, and so do YOU. Just what do you think "Never Again" means, anyway? Dimona exists because of Europe, not Arafat.

"Your safety was with us." Good point. The Arabs (and to different degrees the Muslems in general) are tolerant of minority ethnicities and creeds amongst them, as dhimmis ("protected peoples). But they will not tolerate national aspirations of such people, especially in the heart of "dar al islam". And while you are correct to point out that Jews received refuge under Muslim rule, there where also times they were persecuted, as exemplified by Maimonides' escape from Andalusia, fearing for his life. "You negated our existence. You invented your existence." Well... the other way around is just as true, isn't it? Peace.

If they dissolve the PA, the apartheid state Great Israel is an fact. Israel can do nothing against that. SA has learned how such a state will end. Ethnic cleansing or so called homelands will not be accepted in the present times. Even Israel minded countries cannot afford to support an apartheid state. One mass killing in an Ghandi-like protest will shame all supporters. Being peaceful and taking the risk of some thousands deaths, will be more fruitfull than endless negotiations. The only option is to convene at time an real two state solution, just as the PA wants with their threathening to opt for this strategy.

You can't have it both ways Zio. Israel's claim to the land within pre-1967 borders rests solely on world and UN recognition of those borders. Israel has no other right to them. However, that same world and UN recognition also recognises that Israel has no rights in the West Bank and Gaza. So either you can go with world and UN opinion and keep Tel Aviv Israeli, and the West Bank non-Israeli. Or you can reject world and UN opinion, in which case Tel Aviv is every bit as much disputed territory as Hebron.

Erekat has made a life long career from virtual 'negotiations,' while average Palestinians eat dirt and live in poverty.The Palestinian leadership is to blame for the dismal condition of the Palestinians..

... why he is calling his plan " a threat" ! Wasting time is what made this conflict a conflict. Exactly what they used to do in the tower of babylon !

The question: Is Saeb Erekat of 'one-state on a historic palestine is a solution' ?! The truth, it is not ! Just a useless rhetorical like all other palestinians plans ! a) it will never be practical for obvious reasons. b) it is, according to the palestinian language, to continue the conflict. Read between the lines George, all what the palestinians are saying 'nothing changed' ! A plan that don't work only to help them to wast their time & blame Israel. They don't want peace and "..in 10 year and even the balance of power will shift.." Gorges. And that is all there is in the last plan which is a 'threat' from

You moron. Israel won't give them citizenship because that would wipe out the gerrymandered Jewish majority in erez Israel. Israel's problem is the incompatibility of the terms Jewish and democracy.

While the topic is a nice way to try and deligitamize Israel ( again), the "international community" does not have the power for anything anymore than the EU has an effective army ( NATO is courtesy of the US, otherwise the EU would economically collapse trying to provide more than a reactionary force). Send in the Swiss Guard, except the Swiss just got threatened with a Jihad by Libya due to its banning of the wearing of Muslim Khalifas. Hypocrite.

you reap what you sow

PETER, you have (deliberately?) taken the three Arab No?s of Khartoum out of their context. The three No?s, taken from The Khartoum Resolutions of September 1. 1967, were in response to Israel?s occupation of Arab land. Of course there were no settlements as the West Bank and Gaza had only been occupied by Israel for a couple of months, but the Allon Plan of July 1967 had already advocated the carve up of the West Bank to deny East Jerusalem and The Jordan Valley to the Palestinians ? does that sound familiar? Clinton?s suggestions and parameters were carefully agreed with the Israelis before Honest Bill offered them to the Palestinians. History can be misunderstood or on the other hand it can be falsified. Facts are always facts.

"Israel planning to build 600 more homes in E. Jerusalem" & "Historic Palestine" Two articles on Haaretz today ! Israel will never go back an iota on its historic rights; Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel ! Palestinians threaten to adopt the one state in all "historic Palestine". No one can "threaten" history or invent it. A fact no one can ignore or push under the carpet. That was always the Palestinians mistake in this conflict; not learning from history. Rhetorical dominated the Palestinians language through out this conflict. Unrealistic demands made this conflict an actual tower of babylon.It teaches the palestinians nothing & made them gain nothing! "Historic Palestine" is one of them ?! This has no coherent definition both in history or on the ground!? There was no state that was called Palestine & no history to throw some light on what is a "Historic Palestine"! In the 'Palestinians language' this means, the conflict will continue & no Peace!

the River to the Sea. Their goal is written in their respective Charters. This goes back to the 1960s, since before the June 1967 Six-Day War, since before the "occupation", "settlements", "Oslo", "Gaza". Fundamentally, the Arabs, local and otherwise, have never really changed their long-term goal, illustrated also by their categorical refusal to accept Israel's right to exist as the national home of the Jewish people. Therefore, no news here.

I guess what comes around goes around

Thank you for showing us what the stains of the Third Reich. You've learnt from the best.

if you think you can Genocide the palestinians then israel's survival in this region will go straight to Zero you cant even beat Hizbullah forget about a combined attack of civil anger even your nukes are useless and so is your western support that is crashing in Afghanistan. 2 state would have been your escape but you were blind to see your ultimate destiny that you created yourselfs with your settlements. So good night. "hope you post haaretz"

Ruvy, Thats how a real fascist speaks - Thats exactly what you are!

If one's behaviour doesn't fit with God's Law, that one mustn't be surprised when things don't turn his way. It all a question of fair justice. The same for all. All prophets wrote the same things their own way, so it's hard to chose one particular passage, but this one might help you to see : Sirach 10 "4 The power of the earth is in the hand of the Lord, and in due time he will set over it one that is profitable. 5 In the hand of God is the prosperity of man: and upon the person of the scribe shall he lay his honour. 6 Bear not hatred to thy neighbour for every wrong; and do nothing at all by injurious practices. 7 Pride is hateful before God and man: and by both doth one commit iniquity. 8 Because of unrighteous dealings, injuries, and riches got by deceit, the kingdom is translated from one people to another."

you said"Oh Yes and they refused the Clinton plan as well" yes because they were not offered a viable state, just their cities and town surrounded by Israeli's road blocks and Roads only for the jews. have you ever seen this system in the world except in Israel? why don't you demad the Australian government to make a road for the Israeli only, since you guys are higher than anybody, and think that you are the real believers? what a mess?

While I agree with your analysis, however there will come a time that the world will demand Israeli to respect he rights of the Palestinians for self determination through a viable state with East Jerusalem. Even more strongly than today. This is why nonbinding resolution outside the corrupt permanent council pass overwhelming against Israel. There will be dramatic change in events that will tilt in this direction just as the Russians were the first to back the creation of the State of Israel. If anything, History teaches you that nothing stays constant and if not now, or 10 years, the balance of power will shift. So be kind to your neighbours as they are not going anywhere.

Your proposals are some 30 years behind the curve. This was something that both Israel and Jordan might have considered at one time but by the time Israel came round Jordan had thought better of it and have absolutely no interest now in such a solution. As fore Egypt/Gaza, well you are not keeping up with events are you? Neither of your proposals are anything other than dead in the water.

What is being discussed in the article. "If the Palestinians unilaterally declare a state Israel and the Israeli people would wipe the floors with them" Whereas what is being proposed in the article is none of the things that ez describes [unilaterally declare a state] but rather other methods which he obviously hasn't grasped. So ez, what do you think will happen to the Arabs of Israel if the Arabs of the OT's declare a state unilaterally. A pogrom? A genocide? Set up concentration camps? Force all Arabs out of Israel? Even though 'unilateral declaration' is not the issue here please inform us what nasty little fate you would have in store for the Arabs if they dare to do the deed?

... annihilation of the nation-state of the Jewish people, thus, in a purely racist fashion, denying a singled out people, the Jewish people, its universally accepted right of national self-determination and independence, one enshrined in League of Nations decisions and United Nations resolutions. They have attempted it several times in the past through all out wars, e.g. 1948, 1967, 1973. They have attempted it through an on-going war-of-attrition-through-terror against the Jewish population of the Land which commenced in 1920 and is still to cease. They have attempted it through legal, political, economic and even demographic means. They have attempted it in one-fell-swoop and in stages, but they have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity for an accommodation of peaceful coexistence between Arab and Jew, between Israel and its Arab neighbors.

How exactly can the international community force Israel a one state solution onto Israel? Forgetting Judea & Samaria for a minute anything within the so called green line BELONGS to the Jewish state not to the arabs and Israel is within its right as a sovereign state to decide its status & who it lets live there As long as Israel says no single state idea then the world has no choice but to accept it ( UN included ) Also any democracy with a substantial jewish population will never dare even propose the idea. as a possible solution It would mean political suicide especially in the US, thats why its never been proposed before. Every government in the western world wants a single state solution but because of the possible political backlash it would never even be proposed which is why they keep pushing 2 states. Even Obama doesn't have the muscle to propose a single state it would destroy him & the Democrats If the palestinians demanded it he would have no choice but to say get lost

If the Palestinians unilaterally declare a state, Israel and the Israeli people would wipe the floors with them. Talk about riots, it would be the definitive end to the palestinian cause once and for all. On the one hand, I would like to see them do it. On the other, I don't want to see a single Jewish life lost in conflict. Israel should offer any arab citizenship NOW. Those who don't take it, are the true enemy with no turning back. At least the 'innocent' arabs will be spared.

always great to read your post

Jews were Walloons and the Palestinians were Flemish, we might create something similar, with a three-region nation. One Jewish "Walloons", another Palestinian "Flemish", and a mixed region of Jews and Palestinians in and around a common capital. In practice the two language related units have total autonomy in certain areas, and shared responsibilities in others. It works in Belgium because the EU has decided to place their central offices there. However, the tensions remain and not every Walloon or every Flemish speaker cares for the arrangement--they would rather have a two-state solution. Trouble is that the emnity between Jews and Palestinians hasn't died down enough to even begin that kind of discussion.

Despite all of the rhetoric belched out by you libero=fascists, the world is not against Israel. And even if you're right, well then that's the way the prophecies say it's going to play out. That time is coming. Tiok, tick, tick, tick, tick. Better get on the side of right while you still have a chance.

Fatah option is State Dept fiction and doesn't exist in reality. Only power keeping Fatah alive and preventing West Bank from turning into another Gaza under Hamas, is the Israeli army. Solutions: (a) Gaza: Under linkage to Egypt or Jordan, turned into Dubai-like indl/comml hub on East Med; (b) West Bank: Parts federated with Jordan, safeguarding security & settlements for Israel, demographics for Arabs, holy sites for both. 2-State Plan doesn't make sense only if you think its aim is Peace; it makes a lot of sense if you realize its aim is to provide the necessary next step along the 1974 PLO Staged Plan to dismantle Israel.

... either a viable vibrant Israel, or illegal settlements that will sink Israel into uncertain mire indefinitely... the choice is ours...

A binational state means Jews will be a minority, exactly like Whites are a minority in South Africa today. The only solution : a two-state solution which means making sure all settlers move or are moved back within Israel and the occupation comes to an end. The occupation is bringing only one result: a binational state, thanks to the settlers.

There is a very big difference that THREATENING to adopt a one state solution and actually getting the thing. Whilst Judea & Samaria is DISPUTED territory the pre 1967 is ISRAELI territory that neither the arabs, Obama, UN or anybody else can force Israel to accept. If the arabs demand a single state all they want because it won't get them anything if Israel doesn't want to give it to them and the vast majority of Israels jews are against a single state. Only the Israeli arabs wants a single state and as they are a disliked minority without a big voice. If at some point a 2 state solution any government on both left or right will make sure we unload hundreds of thousands of them into the arab state. There will be no 150,000 so called refugee return ... there is no place in Israel for even 1 palestinian if they want a state of their own. Even if we create this arab state 22% of mandate Palestine will NEVER be viable except for on paper & in the minds of idealists.

The refusal by the Israeli government to put an end to the occupation and to dismantle settlements in the West bank is taking us to a binational state. There's no other future as long as settlers refuse to move back to Israel.

Go to the Fatah website and look up the conclusions of their congress in Bethlehem last year. Fatah has never accepted the two-state solution. In fact, Erekat's Fatah party rejects the entire concept of peace with Israel and calls for armed conflict to eject the zionists from Palestine. But then again, Erekat is a known liar, like his famous phony "Jenin Massacre" claim on CNN.

.....to force upon a one-state solution on Israel. And it would be pretty foolish of Israelis to believe, that one day in the future, they won't use that power. So it would be very wise of Israel, to take the maximum they can get now and take their *** out of the West Bank, as long as they are still able to do so.... Time is definitely running out. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick......

As was their rejection of statehood in favor of a war of annihilation and terror. There were no settlements till the 3 Arab NO's of Kahartoum. Their elected government refuses to recognise any state of Israel while the Israeli PM again reiterated Israels support for A Palestinian state. The "moderate" Fatah refuses to negotiate. Oh Yes and they refused the Clinton plan as well! Where do you get your "facts"?

What an ignorant and racist.

I wish we had more Aris on both sides.

What's new? That's ALL he does. They can "adopt" whatever and they want. Question: who will let them.

little by little, israeli government killed the two state solution, so what else ?

As in the Palestinian University, The Palestinian Symphony, how about the Palestinian city hall? These existed in historic Philadelphia 150 years ago. It is time to cut the crap once and for all.

I wonder who is clueless and IGNORANT of HISTORY. Historically, Jordan was the biggest part (some 80% ) of Palestine !

So, if that is the case, why don't you give back the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians to create a state instead of building more settlements and expanding. I really don't understand Israelis. On the one hand they say they want peace, but on the other hand they continue building on occupied land! Do you Israelis want peace were Palestinians just have peace with you without giving them back their land? Why the hell would they do that? You need common sense. It is very obvious that this current Israeli Gov wants peace while remaining in control of the West Bank and Gaza! Labor is not better because they are more diplomatic and they seem more peace-oriented but are actually worse in the actions that they have taken. This current gov will self destruct in alienating themselves wiith their actions! Pals have to just sit and wait for their land:)

This will happen simultaneously when the United States does this with their Native American Reservations. There already is a one state solution. Jordan. Bah bye.

Johnny Q, do you realize that if you grant Israeli citizenship to all Pals, they will be around 50% of the population, growing faster than you, and, if Israel remains a democratic country, they would have the power to elect an Arab leadership for the whole nation? Is this what you really want??

Lybia is pressuring Fatah to accept Hamas dictates , Lybia say that if Fatah want a seat at the next Arab League summit , it must accept Hamas dictates that could be carried in stages . Lybia say that if fatah gangs want to keep squeezing jizzya from dhimmis and live as millionaires , it must accept hamas dictates . It is Hamas who control and govern arabpals politics, and it is the non bearded fatahniks that are used as decoy for hamasniks purposes and for westerners consumption . Both fatah and hamas are entangled in murderous rivaleries for power control . It is Libya that demand that Fatah state whether it supports a final-status reconciliation-agreement as dictated by Hamas. Hamas will for western medias consumption agree but such a Fatah statement, would determine whether Fatah stands within the Arab consensus, in line with Iranian policy .

Nobody hurt Erekat. He is a normal person.

Have you all gone mad? Do you recall history between the Germanic People and the Romans? The Romans got fooled by allowing entry of the Germanic peoples in to Rome = that was the end of the Roman Empire and the rest is history. A one state solution sounds good in theory but put in to practice will see civil war like we've never seen before and this will spell the end of the tiny Jewish nation as we know it.

Just sit back and the Israelis will implement it for them

World has spent enough time screwing around with this fake "people" and their so-called "yearning" for independence. Their continuing objective, now, as in 1947 and in 1968 ("no recognition, no negotiation, no peace") is not a state of their own, but to reject and destroy the world's only Jewish State. One State Solution? Sure, its called JORDAN, which has a 70% Palestinian Arab majority, and sits on 80% of Ottoman colonial Palestine. They don't need 2 states. Maybe what's called for is to partition Jordan between its Hashemite bedouin minority and majority ethnic Palestinian Arabs, plus partitioning "W. Bank" between its Jewish and Arab claimants. Won't be one binational state between the Jordan River and the Med for the simple reason that Israel won't even discuss that, and NO "international law" anywhere can make that happen. Israel will annex what they want; land the "Palestinians" live on will be a colonial possession, just like the US, Brits, and French have. Gaza is now Somalia.

so this is a useless move and purely political. Israelis do not want this and will never agree. Neither do Palestinians. Useless threats that can do nothing.

?The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ?Palestinian people? to oppose Zionism. ?For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.?

compromising with Israel in the minds of Israeli's means no pals at all. it's worse than south Africa.

israel is a sovereign state and shall remain so. arabs have attempted to destroy israel since before the declaration of independence. they have not succeeded in the past, and they will not succeed in the future.

This is the only fair option. It is time to recognize that we are already living a one-state reality in Israel and Palestine. Discrimination and citizenship based on religion has no place in today's world. One state for all our citizens.

While I am awaiting in the comfortably heated car for his return from the park's hillside, listening to " the only classical station in Toronto " on the radio, I see his appearance from 200 metres away amidst the mild late-afternoon snow-squall. I can't quite make it out, but what's this - does he have something with him or not - no I don't think so - seconds later, Walla he's carrying nonchalantly the Wiesel backdrop! It is with hopefulness which begins our path to successful results. (Thumbs up!)

A quote of Holocaust survivor, Elie Wiesel, states, " Hope is like peace. In It is not a gift from God. It is a gift we can give one another." My son Oren is soon to give his grade 6 class a book-talk of Elie Wiesel's "Night" - an early autobiographical testimonial account of his teenage years during the Holocaust of the unimaginable human suffering in the concentration camps. In addition, he (we) prepared a backdrop of photos collage of the author surrounding the above quote on black paper with plastic overlay front and back. In keeping with my son's disorganized character, the photo backdrop fell from his backpack's side net pocket while walking on route to school this morning somewhere on the ground with its fresh snowfall. Despite my disappointment, since such events are already predictable, I calmly stated that after his Bar Mitzvah lesson with the Rabbi, we'll look for the backdrop - perhaps its in the park, near the hill or even the school's lost and found. Con't

Amusing that as Belgium safe and snug in the EU teeters on the brink of splitting, someone can actually utter the words "bi-national state" with a straight face. In the end, Michael Oren will be proven right -- Israel will declare a border in the West Bank, pull back to it and let the Palestinians worry about how to deal with getting from the West Bank to Gaza. Who knows, someday they may realize that they're better off actually negotiating in good faith. Israel can wait.

state alone from day one. First it was war and terror. Then the refugee "winning card" kept as an open sore when every part of the civilised world has long absorbed refugees including Israel. In case you missed it as well Hamas their government claims it all,while "moderate" Fatah just refuses to sit down at the negotiating table.

like Nasser's in 1967. Nasser is dead, but his message to Erekat would be' I thought I had it cut out. But things turned in another direction."Suggest you take lithium medication for your manic episodes

The only "solution" to the problem is to annex all of Judea and Samaria, dismantle the PA, and bomb Gaza to powder the next time they send a rocket, missile or any kind of human trash to attack us. WE JEWS built and invested in this country. The Arabs have just come for the ride, trying to steal what we have made. If they want to do that in Lebanon, Iraq or Syria, that's fine. But they won't get away with it here.

Saeb Erekat is not the Only Pal to have lost their dreams and to replace them with more fantasy.The only question is where to go.

We love to hate each other, yet we also love to live. We lived together for the last 1500 years. Your safety was with us. Your demise came at the hands of christian Europe. You sought refuge under Arab and or moslem strong empires from Al Andalus all the way to Ottoman Salonika. You ran away from the Spanish Inquisition and the European pogroms and gas chambers. You negated our existence. You invented your existence. This cannot continue. Something has to give. We live together side by side, or on separate sides. Whichever. We want to live. Or we die together.

One state with equal rights like the u.s.a which Arabs can vote and make policy no more occupation no more Jewish state Arab being majority in ten years or give up the west bank and let Palestine become it own state and have freedom to live in peace

you live in a country that occupies another and disputes international borders and refuses a peace treaty....see the difference? no of course not...don't worry it will be over before you get a clue

attempting to "compromise" with Israel in order to build a state of their own.

That's the only solution and that's what they really are. Whether Israel is on the verge of suicide or not is a different matter all together.

One united democratic secular state that protects the rights for all of it's citizens. It can work. As much as the Jews & Arabs hate each other there can't be as much ill will as there was between black and white South Africa or black and white America.

Some likud MK's even have suggested it lately, it seems that this is becoming inevitable.

You should move in this direction, however do it peacefully as violance will breed violance and israel have the upper hand. Make sure you coordinate with Egypt and Jordan, let some European countries, Russia and China be on board. The U.S. will pretend to be against it due to the congress attitude, however President Obama will be infavor indirectly. Ask for one country for two people like South Africa. Non violence will confuse Netanyahu's team. Ask Iran and Syria not to get involved. Non violence will win the day. Get Mr Fayad to take the lead after Mr Abbas resignation.Go for it and Good luck.

Say thank you to the settelers.

Really. Palestinians want to make all of what was Palestine one state? Wouldn't that include Jordan too.

Whatever binational bla. There is no real legal binationality problem. The problems are in peoples mindes.

...they're good at that,and that's about it.

Maybe it is time to counter the Palestinian plan by declaring all the territories refugee camps are all part of Israel that covers exactly the same lands that the Palestinians are pressing for. They can accept life as Israeli citizens or they can leave to Jordan or the South Pole for all I care. Let's face it, there has never been a plan for peace that they will accept except the destruction of Israel, which will never happen. This is Jewish land that belongs to the Jewish people, period. Palestinians and other nomads came in and may remain, but as citizens of Israel. Simple solution. If they don't like it, lump it.

Its also a wake call to the Leftists who are decent folks who give peace an unreasonable chance (in this case).

Israel has killed it. It is dead. Now all that is left is for these two peoples to learn to live together in a single state; not a Jewish state; that is not possible; it will have to be a state for all people. In the long run, likely the best solution, but it speaks sadly for greater aspirations that failed.

All inaccordance with their 1974 Phased Plan... They'll end up getting neither!

move out of Israel.

The subject line says it all. Palestinians should feel free to merge with Jordan, if they want to merge with MOST of historic Palestine

WHO ARE THEY TRYING TO KID.