Palestinians: Peace negotiations with Israel have ended
Last-minute efforts are underway to head off the talks' collapse, but the prospects seem slim.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Middle East peace Palestinians Jordan king UN QuartetThe time frame that the Palestinians have allowed for talks with Israel in Amman under Jordanian auspices expires on Thursday. According to diplomatic sources associated with the Middle East Quartet - the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia - last-minute efforts are underway to head off the talks' collapse, but the prospects seem slim.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's representative to the Amman talks, Isaac Molho, met on Wednesday in the Jordanian capital for a fifth time with the head of the Palestinian negotiating team Saeb Erekat - but at this point no formula has been reached that would enable the talks to continue. Erekat made it clear that because Israel has not presented its position on the issue of borders with a Palestinian state, from the Palestinians' standpoint, the talks have ended.
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Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas speaks to reporters in front of Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat (R), after his talks with King Abdullah II of Jordan in Amman on Wednesday. |
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After Wednesday's meeting, Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh, under whose auspices the five rounds of discussions have taken place, issued a statement in which he did his best to avoid proclaiming the talks a failure. He said the results of the discussions are being evaluated and that consultations would be undertaken with Israel, the Palestinians and members of the Quartet over a future course.
Before the latest Molho-Erekat meeting, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met in Amman with Jordanian King Abdullah and told the monarch from his standpoint talks with Israel had run their course without results. Abbas said that Israel had refused to recognize the borders of a Palestinian state, but if there was a change there was nothing preventing a return to the negotiating table.
Abbas said he would consult with Arab allies next week to figure out how to proceed. He is under pressure to extend the Jordanian-mediated exploratory talks, which the international community hopes will lead to a resumption of long-stalled formal negotiations on establishing a Palestinian state.
Israel said on Wednesday that it is willing to continue the dialogue. Abbas did not close the door to continued meetings, saying he will decide after consultations with the Arab League on February 4. A Palestinian walkout could cost Abbas international sympathy at a time when he seeks global recognition of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.
The gaps between the leaders are vast, and Abbas apparently believes there is no point in returning to formal negotiations without assurances, such as marking the pre-1967 war lines as a basis for border talks and halting Israeli settlement construction. Netanyahu says everything should be discussed in negotiations and insists he is serious about reaching a deal by year's end.
Though there have been talks off and on, the last substantive round was in late 2008, when Israel informally proposed a deal and the Palestinians did not respond. When Netanyahu took office the next year, he took the proposal, including a state in most of the territories the Palestinians claim, off the table. A round of talks started in late 2010 by President Barack Obama quickly sputtered over the settlement issue.
Visiting European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton has also scheduled two separate meetings with Abbas and Netanyahu to try to salvage the exploratory talks. Two officials involved in the contacts said she is trying to put together a package of Israeli incentives that would keep the Palestinians from walking away.
"We need to keep talks going and increase the potential of these talks to become genuine negotiations," Ashton said.
Before his meeting with Ashton, Netanyahu said, "We've been trying to make sure that the talks between us and the Palestinians will continue. That is our desire."
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the sooner the better
we can see that every day palestinian can't do any thing just looking so the right way to solive this proplem is (nothying)
Lmao!!!
Small heads on both sides.
bet that bibi and yvette will drink to that. chaval!
that is, 2 states on 1967 bordering, east jerusalem belongs to Palestine.
Now an "invisible" link between the "peace"process and an Iranian Threath is much more visible: Iran is isolated and it leads to end of theirr will 2 be tattling ABOUT NOTHING
Anyone who has ever been in the Arab market (suk or Heb. Shuk) knows that the customer bargains by just walking away and the price goes down. The Palestinians think they can keep walking away and Israel will give more and more. That works if you're buying a rug or a dress - not making peace with your enemy. These leaders (on both sides) need to stop with the b?#l S*"t and just sit down and get it done. THink of your people, not your political position. Do what's right for the future of the region and for peace and justice. GROW UP!!!!!!
1 person 1 vote, if israel wont recognise any borders or at leaast present its position on borders, then it means there are none, palestinians should request annexation and the same rights as israelis, 1 person 1 vote.
"...which the international community hopes will lead to a resumption of long-stalled formal negotiations on establishing a Palestinian state. " who is haaretz quoting/kidding here? who believes negotiations are possible with israel? its founding principles are based on never conceding any territory or stating its borders until it has emptied historical palestine of its indigenous people. it doesn't want peace, it wants land. it won't even agree to 78% of historic palestine (which is what the arab peace initiative, nearly a decade old, called for).
When are we going to recognize that Israel has taken too much land already, is continuing to build settlements, and has no interest in a 2 state solution. Eventually Jews will become a minority in`Greater Israel', and will have shot themselves well and truly in the foot., just like their pals in South Africa did.
Because people like Ashton will beat a path to their door, on the backs of Israel. It's pretty simple, really.
There never were any negotiations, just the ukaze of Israel and the United States.
What important is Peace. The negotiators should negotiate a piece of Peace, not borders.
With the Russian NO to Arab League Request Arab League RUINED after having asked Russia2attack: Iran not happy at all with that Arab Request and the Arab League is GONE@NO: Russia ended it 4ever
Or is't the Palestinian's style of doing things.
Kill the Jews is in the PA and Hamas' charters. Has the simple step of removing these vile words for genocide been removed? No! So what peace can be had without that on the table? Sorry, we remember the Arab collaboration with the nazis long before modern Israel. What worries hate mongers Ike Abass is being discovered for what they are - petty murderous dictators who treat their own like disposable meat puppets in the quest for a Jew and Christian free ME. Apartheid at its worst!
Demanding borders without security, or even the PA showing they can build a Friendly neighbor State(Gaza is a state of it's own and an enemy to Israel) There is no unity. There is no clear government medical or welfare programs in the PA, only foreign aid and the UN doing all the responsible work, even with billions over decades donated. The fact that Hamas is hostile enemy is also a big factor. It seems to me that the PA prefers as is than deal with reality.
There has never ever been real negotiations from "palestinian" side, only "black mails" and terrorism ! how can Israel negotiate with partner, who is not able to negotiate for anything ??!! Let "palestinians" live in their "wonderland" how they wish and will. Time will show to them, that we not need them, but they need us
when did peace negotiation ever started?
Will this so-called peace process ever have a strong but reasonably unbiased moderator, to hold the parties to the table and keep negotiations honest? We all know there are two points of view, and to each of those the opponent is horribly unreasonable and untrustworthy. It doesn't help, we still need a treaty. But we'll never get one while the only-me arbiter refuses to punish reluctance and/or love of the (ever-eroding) status quo.
there will never be a peaceful agreement between those two sides. israel's reluctance and indifference are colossaly clear. the quartet must come to reallise, that israel is not sincere about a palestinian state. the only thing real that the israeli side puts on the table is empty dialogue. because their true position is that, jordan is palestine. netanyahu and his ministers are liars. the quartet should wake up.
Israel only wants peace talks to cover up for there wrong doing. For example, let us say that we have a piece of cheese and two different countries want that peace of cheese. Now let us say that these two countries decide to negotiate over this peace of cheese. Whats the point of negotiating if one country (israel) is eating that piece of cheese while they are negotiating. By the time they are done negotiating that piece of cheese (the land) will be all gone.
The proof is that they set preconditions that thay knew that no government in Israqel - left or right - would accept. The Palestinians think they can achieve their goals through the UN Security Council. What they don't realize is, that when Israel's vital interests are concerned, no outside body will bew able to forc3e its - or their- will on any Israeli government.
Take in the Syrian Christians and put them in the Golan Heights. The Muslims are going to slaughter them.
Israel is digging its own grave. The world is catching on to the inevitability of a single state for all. Bring it on.
There is nothing to discuss, except Israeli compliance with international law and morality - END THE OCCUPATION, RETURN TO THE 1967 BORDERS, ISRAEL'S ONLY REFUGE FOR PEACE WITH HONOUR.
No point in negotiating with a thief you holds a gun to your head - let the World see the intentions of the occupiers.
Time for one state solution. There is absolutely no point of two states, with one of them looking like a Swiss cheese with begining or end
... then it's obvious why talks are futile.
When Jews are the majority in Yesha, the Arabs will be ready to come to the tabel and do a deal
Leave it once and for all. Bring it up to the ultimate result: A thief will never admit he did something wrong and, given he is strong, will never return what he already stole. End..
They really have corrupt ineffective leaders. For tears they walk out of negotiations as soon as they can. In the meanwhile their people, in stead of living n a normal nation, live under siege, don't develop economically, become increasingly psychotic.
Israelis want to occupy the whole of Palestine including Gaza and West-Bank. For Israel talks are only there to appease and distract the world from reality: You talk about border issues, but in the same time continue building new settlements?
With all their huge nuclear arsenals and expertise in secrecy, Americans and Russians built peace. For that they left 'technalities' aside and compromised without too many and too deep discussions. This is not the case with the Palestinians. They keep not losing an opportunity to lose an oportunity.
MLK did not negotiate and neither should Abbas
peace is the last thing that israel needs.
Since the talks are dead, time for each side to fess up to its own people what they proposed. No excuse for keeping it secret, except embarrassment.
Surely this has got to be the last straw, even for Obama.
So many talkbackers seem to know so much, from as far away as Australia. But the press reports nothing of what the actual proposals and responses. It really is time for both sides to break their silence and report what they offered.
and put an end to this useless back and forth with our enemies
Israel will never give up east jerusalem. Arabs kicked out jews after british left. It won't happen. Make ramallah or jericho your capitol. From a non jew in u.s.a.
a peace process. Pretending will not make it so.
For there to be negotiations, there should be two or more willing parties who wish to sit down and find a suitable solution to the problem. The solution at the end of the negotiations should be acceptable to all participants. No participant should come out feelin that their opinion is the only opinion. Therefore there has never really been any negotiations to start with. It is sad but the reality of the situation.
.. and I really don't think Abbas has lost any sympathy at all, because noone in the west expected the israeli side to move even one yota from their previously known stance. That stallement will therefore put pressure on the respective leading electorals of the enlightened west and their failure to make Israel move, in essence making them loose their moral legitimacy/superiority in facing off with states like Iran and others.
How can you have talks on dividing the pizza while one side continues to eat it?
60 years only blablabla and land take
Every negotiation should begin with a start off position. To prove that he is serious Netanyahu could state his, which is in my opinion as follows: "The borders of Palestinian State are within Gaza," Israel keeps everything else. The Palestinians would be allowed to move to Gaza or elsewhere, and the Palestinian authority would be abolished.
Israel should definitely send its border plan, but not as a dictate by Erekat or Abbas. Likewise, the topics tackled should not be improvised, nor should Molcho have brought someone with him that Erekat perceives as part of a trap. Be kind, be transparent, be patient. Israelis and Palestinians cannot lose the opportunity just because there was a harsh exchange between the negotiators. There's Ahmed Qurea on the Palestinian side, and there's anybody the Israeli government picks up, if Molcho and Erekat can't overcome mistrust.
The reality is Israel doesn't want peace. The government and the majority of Israelis support the settlement movement whose sole purpose is to PREVENT a Palestinian State from ever being formed.
Israeli leaders will not make peace. What they want is the land without its residents. Why is that still not clear to some people after 20 years of talks and 20 years of settlements?
the majority of U.N. members and even the Quartet are realistic of the "negotiated" borders based on 1967 cease-fire lines and exchanges of territories. It's probably less and less to do with the Palestinian reception and more and more to do with the Israeli reception. What's the difference between now and a month or two ?
the majority of U.N. members and even the Quartet are realistic of the "negotiated" borders based on 1967 cease-fire lines and exchanges of territories. It's probably less and less to do with the Palestinian reception and more and more to do with the Israeli reception. What's the difference between now and a month or two ?
That is going to be the future of all negotiations. Both parties has enough blood in their count forget two state solution it is failed because one country with equal rights for two people is the only solution that will last and just. Peace.
Nobody saw that coming!!!
The Jordan river is the logical border of Israel-Palestine. The Jews will end up with the West Bank and the Palestinians with the East Bank. The capital of Palestine will be Amman. This is the only workable solution that will lead to peace.
As long as Israel enjoys success in changing the demographics of the Palestinian land and continues to avoid having to declare Israel's borders there will be no peace. This means that there will be no real peace talks. This has been going on for nearly forty years, which is more than half the age of Israel as a nation. There is not a single person in Israel, including the government and the Prime Minister that can say with authority where Israel's borders are located, but, all of these same people have the impression that, wherever the borders are located, they are expanding at a steady rate.
"We've been trying to make sure that the talks between us and the Palestinians will continue" forever without us ever giving up even an inch of stolen land.
Israel has no intention of entering negotiations, because Israel has no intentions of giving up what has been stolen. Israel does not want peace with anyone, ever. Go back to the UN Abbas pursue your rightful claims there, in the end you will realise there is no other option.
Good! Now get back to building!
The Quartet insisted that both parties meet and sit in a room together and that's what happened. Everybody, including Israelis, know that Israel will have to evacuate many if not all of the settlements as part of any peace agreement. The fact that Israel continues to expand settlements is a valid indicator to the Palestinians and to the world that they have no intention of making peace, at least not willingly. The Palestinians are simply being logical when they note that settlement expansion is not compatable with peace talks. The Quartet must be faulted for the failure of these talks since both sides were unmotivated and they knew that no progress would be made. No progress will ever be made as long as Israel continues to profit by avoiding peace. Until the Quartet acknowledges this fact they remain irrelevant to the peace process, such as it is.
Yawn. News from 1948
And if one looks at what happened towards Gaza in the last 4 month, we have to notice, even murder seems useful to make this new process to a period of endless unusable time for a solution
Indeed. When the Jew says East Jerusalem is on the table, the right of return is on the table, and 1967 internationally recognized borders with agreed upon land swamps is the basis for the negotiations the Palestinians will negotiate. Until such time the world community will continue to view Israel with deserved disdain.
for the last 18 years is the weather , and nothing but the weather , it gets old and unproductive....
Palestinians are the ones who truly need peace. They must get it through their heads that their demands for Jerusalem will never be net. Ever. Take what is being offered to you...
"Two officials involved in the contacts said she is trying to put together a package of Israeli incentives that would keep the Palestinians from walking away." Why is it the EU's default view that Israel has to compromise but the Pal's don't? They've turned down every concession made by Israel to date an insufficient. It's time for them to show Israel good faith by presenting a concession.
THEN STOP BUILDING!! If you get the Palestinians at the table how long will it take to hammer out permanent borders? That should be the goal, and that is just how long the building freeze MUST last. The sooner you pass that mark, the sooner you can build to your hearts content, and with international blessings no less!
With so much at stake for both people, it is a pity that leaders come to the table with no common goal. Yet another chance for peace shattered.
"A round of talks started in late 2010 by President Barack Obama quickly sputtered over the settlement issue. " That is entirely untrue. The talks sputtered for the same reason they are sputtering now: the Palestinians did the brief meetings for show and not for substance. In 2010, Israel froze settlement construction for 10 months and for 9.5 months the Palestinians refused to come to the table. When there were two weeks left in the Israeli moratorium, the Palestinians finally showed up but said that talks could only begin if Israel froze settlement construction, completely ignoring the fact they had 9.5 months to begin talks beforehand. It was just a show, nothing more. They want to be able to say, "We negotiated," when in reality they are stalling for time and trying everything in their power to avoid serious talks. That's why the other day Erakat who is no less than their chief negotiator and has been a negotiator for longer than anybody else on either side suddenly announced that he didn't have the authority or mandate to hear Israel's views on security matters. How could the chief negotiator not have authority over something so basic to an agreement, especially after so many years of this issue being a core one in these discussions? Well, that's what happens when you are there for show, not for peace-making.
Both sides should now publish their exact proposals and counter-proposals so the people can see what, if anything, their government had offered.
Terribly misleading title for this article. Makes it sound like Palestine is declaring all out war, not simply threatening to put off further meetings until after February 4th.
This is the date that the UN mandated a State of Palestine and a State of Israel. This was the original "2 -state solution". Between Nov 29 1947 and May 14 1948 Israel chose David Ben Gurion to be their Prime Minister. On May 14 Ben-Gurion officially declared the State of Israel exists. During the same time period the State of Palestine did not choose a leader or declare their state officially and on May 15 1948 one day after Ben-Gurion's proclomation the State Of Palestine along with the 5 Arab armies of Egypt, Syria,Lebanon,Jordon ,and Iraq attacked Israel for the 1st time. They were repelled and Israel still exists today. Israel WILL NOT go back to pre-1967 borders because that is the same as Nov 29 1947. Palestine refused it then and cannot all of a sudden decide that is what they are willing to agree to in 2012.
But I suppose Ashton needs to be seen as doing something. She has to justify her salary.
The Palestinians are clearly satisfied with the status quo. Now they live in harmony and can blame all their problems on Israel while accepting no responsibility unto themselves. Shame on Hamas. Shame on Abbas.
How can something that never existed end? This "peace" rubbish has been going on since Oslo, throw it in the dustbin where it belongs. Nothing more than photo opportunities for the repugnant politicians involved.
Netanyahu said, "We've been trying to make sure that the talks between us and the Palestinians will continue. That is our desire", and that much is true. Any chance of an agreement would bring the talks to an end, which is as undesirable to him as any other way of ending the talks. If only they could go on forever with no result he would be happy as a sandboy.
The United States will realize that it is not worth losing reserve status over being the villain and supporting the villain in this story any longer.
A Palestinian return to the UN would give Netanyahu a political pretext to make another illegal and immoral move against peace, possibly another annexation or an attack against Iran.
The talks are dead because Abbas will not make any concessions He prefers palis be victims well because of him he gets his wish The peace train pulled out of this station
There was nothing in the decision to re-engage in 'talks' which bode well for their prospects. The positions of the parties had been staked decades ago. The Israeli side holds all the cards and the Palestinians have nothing tangible to offer short of conceding defeat and acceding to Israeli dictates that will rob them of a viable state. This is a zero-sum situation which will not change without outside pressure which none of the great power is willing to exert.
The quartet and thus the international community has to go back to 1947 and assess with the Palestinians and the Israelis what happened from thereon and act accordingly. It is cowardice that the Quartet was not able to force the parties to discuss key issues such as borders and the settlement stop.This is an important starting point. Why is it so diffcult for the Israeli government to understand this. Most likely, because they don't want any changes. However they are needed to give negotiations meaning.The quartet as bystanders has again succeeded in making these negotiations void of any sense.
What is wrong with Haaretz and these contributors saying Israel is not serious? They are living in a dream world. Why would Israel negotiate with the West Bank PalArabs if Gaza and Hamas are not negotiating along with the West Bank? Israel is not negotiating seriously but they will negotiate for show to placate the US, but not with any intent to actually reach an agreement. Obama is interested only to placate American Jews so they will vote for him. He knows there cannot be a peace agreement. because is not included. Currently and for the foreseeable future there are three states; the two PalArab states and Israel. Gaza won’t join with the West Bank. Since, a two state solution not including Gaza is not sensible, does not serve Israel’s interests and it cannot and won’t happen. It is not Israel’s fault. Gaza and Hamas can be blamed.
this is good news. now try and be a person who tells the truth. realize it's not your land to steal. as you're a jordan passport holder no doubt you have a mansion there already? so go home. tunis will no doubt welcome you back with open arms, let you enjoy all the wealth you have stolen.
The farce is over, the decades-long scam to enable Israel to set up and consolidate an Apartheid state has been successful Apartheid needs to be dismantled at the ICC by the Palestinian state
....Israel has no motivation for productive talks. Even though Abbas has worked on the security issue, even though the Palestinians have taken the political route, Israel only wants to talk about security for Israel....not borders, not security for Palestinians, not final status arrangments. The EU will need to stop treating Israel with kid gloves....declare her the belligerent party, apply sanctions....then, as we all know, the Israeli will come crawling back with the tail between their legs and God Willing, a peace deal can be signed.
The more the Palestinians PROCRASTINATE by walking out of talks with Israel the only SETTLEMENT they will land up with is SETTLEMENTS BUILT ALL OVER THE WEST BANK and they have themselves to BLAME
Palestinian identity is based upon the destruction of Israel. WIthout Israel, there would be no Palestinians. Peace with Israel means no Palestinian identity-aint gonna happen
The Palestinians should not waste their time anymore.
... Not dictate the impossible terms of forced '67 armistice lines, a divided Jerusalem, an international airport, guarding their own borders without Israeli oversight to keep out the unmentionables, a mass return of refugees to infiltrate Israel and cause mayhem, etc. Especially when they can't even reconcile with Hamas, the stronger of the two parties, never mind Islamic Jihad, Al-Qaide Palestinian cells, etc., who would only use this land leverage to go all the way and we're then back to square one with a 1948-style mass attack on Israel in this decade with Iran, Hezbollah, et al joining in.
The negotiations ended before they began. The Arabs don't admit that Israel is the Jewish Homeland. Lets review the essentials. Jordan is the mythical Palestine. Abdullah is the mythical Hashemite King of the Mythical Palestinian people. No one speaks the proud ancient language of the Philistines. Who do we negotiate with?
A jewish homeland where its occupants were ethnically cleansed, massacred by Haganah and Irgun terrorists , and harrassed on a daily basis by settler riff raff and IDF soldiers. Israel may have Jews living in it however they are not acting very Jewish.
You are so misinformed. There is a well known saying ignorance is bliss
but the Palestinians are holding aces like they never have before and the state of Israel, to be blunt, is not.
As you just said, in reality you are against a two-state solution and all you aim at, is to occupy all of Palestine including Gaza and West-Bank. And therefore you hope that all Palestinians will ultimately end up living in camps in Jordan or somewhere else. With this intention there can be no serious talks because Israel is not serious on the matter of border-issues.
so 12 million people spread out in the world because of the occupation of their country are mythical? If that is so, who lives in the west bank and Gaza at the moment? That is assuming the ones outside Palestine are mythical. Since when is Jordan a substitute for Palestine? Both Palestinians and Jordanians do not want that.
Look at you. You're so full of hatre. And the palestinians are supposed to make peace with people like you. You deny their sole existence and you wonder why ? disgusting. For your information there are millions of palestinians who come from Jerusaleml, Haifa, Yaffa, Ramle, Acre or Nazareth......are these places in Jordan ? perhaps you should educate yourself before talking. That would help.
...but in that case Israel should formally annex both Gaza and the West Bank. Israel: You either want all the land, or you don't. But if you want the land, remember it comes with the people living on it too.
What about the real myth,the american convert or born into the great myth settling on the land that belongs to the native of this land.this is from a myth israeli
With the indigenous people, whatever they chose to call themselves. They're not going away.
The chief mufti of east jerusalem is determined to finish the jews once for all bokohoram is determined to finish of the christians of nigeria once for all all these things crop up because of the palestinian supporters who trade blood diamonds in africa hence it is better to annex the west bank with israel once for all
the WB and extend citizenship to all residing therein, as befits "the only democracy in the middle east". Then call elections.
Disgusting.
One State for Jews and Palestinians. From the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. THat is the only sustainable solution !!!!
There is nothing to discuss with a thief when they take something which does not belong to them - the only answer is International Law and to give it back to Palestinians
I think not, you see the Arabs stole it from the Romans who stole it from the Jews. Sorry, but the Jews are simply taking back what is rightfully theirs.
Steve, The rejectionist sentiments that you express are the opposite of what is needed to bring an end to the conflict. The rejectionist positions held by a significant number of people in both the pro-Israel and the pro-Palestine camps feeds an already raging fire. To deny the Jewish People's deep connection to the land seems idiotic, just as denying that the Palestinians have an equally connection is idiotic. The extremists on both sides of the conflict (and you, as someone waving the "Israel shouldn't exist flag" are among them) are one dimensional and lack vision. What we should be trying to do is imagining Israeli and Palestinian nationalisms that do not deny or degrade the other. The international community needs to put serious pressure on both sides to get back to talks (not just talks about talks) and not let either step away from the table until a solution is found.
Tel Aviv too?
Israel will find it hard to convince the world, including the US, it's dear friend, that they are serious about peace - they keep acting like thieves when it comes to building on stolen lands.
And do what with the Jews? And I'm not saying that due to this riddle the Palestinians should suffer. I'm just curious...?
On what basis do you claim theft of land?? Whose land did this small strip belong to? The palestinians can not claim any indigionous right because they only became the "Palestinians" aftyer the British took over from the Ottoman empire before which the remaining jews were considered the indigionous people living there so please get your facts straight
When exactly was it Palestinian? Not 1948-1967 when it was Jordanian, not 1921-1948 when it was a British mandated territory, not the 400 years before that when it was Ottoman Turk, not before that when it was Byzantium, not before that when it was a Roman province, so when?
Finally he's standing up to the bully of the Middle East.
Oh yeah, because Israel is way worse than Syria, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They execute people for being gay, or being accused of witch craft, you cant be a citizen of those countries with decency unless you're Muslim. Israel is sick of dealing with Arabs that dont leave it alone.
Bully...you really are delusional...what people are killing their own on a daily basis...let me see..is it Egypt,Syria,Iran?...hmm.what people are castigating women and taking away all of their rights..is it Saudi Arabiahmmmmmmmmmmyou really are dumb.
most people mary would conclude thta hes running away from the only deal in town ! its israel or nothing as his potential state lies within israels sinfrastructure !
Reject every opportunity for a country of their own... ever since 1937. That'll show everyone! Why break with tradition?
& suffering the Arab amensia of what led to the occupation and why it has persisted this long.
The only practical and realistic peace is for the Arabs to tell themselves the truth for once and accept the the fact the land in dispute belongs Israel. This is the only factor that can bring peace and solution to the problem,
live on the streets of some refugee camp for the rest of their lives? no land? nothing to farm? are you sure this is better? because it will make them even angrier and possibly more dangerous.
majority of people just would fight
Would you then support them in their campaign for equal civil rights in this Greater Israel? There will be no peace without justice.
If Israel’s position is that the whole West Bank is theirs then let them just out and say that. Israels reluctance to state their true position is the main obstacle to honest negotiations.
One State for all!!
Israel has not and never has had, any intention of reaching an agreement with the Palestinians. The only Israeli intention and objective is continued expansion and building of more settlements in occupied lands. The future prospects for the region are bleak.
ago. Israel thinks it must explain its security issues first, though I do agree that it is irresponsible and silly to hang on ceremony on the order of things. Israel should present its plan.
The borders are already there, check out Jordan borders, the pal-arab homeland. What is the problem? Your arab-friends, mainly Egypt, Libanon, Syria, Jordan told you to leave Israel, continue that journey, Jordan is waiting. Looks like the PA-negotiators still are dizzy after beeing members of UNWRA, breaking all its mandatory rules for membership. Something has gone to their heads...
But why look at Jordans borders to see Israels? All you have to do is look at the declared borders of Israel at the creation, not a single squareinch has legally benn added to that up to this day. The palestinians now offer Israel a big bonus if they will stop the occupation and chose peace instead.
Not UNRWA. One of several falsehoods or examples of profound ignorance in your post.
With hamas in the cards, this so-called peace negotiations were headed no where. Abbas, you were told long way before that You cannot make peace with both Israel and hamas at the same time. As usual with balestinians, thank you for NOT missing an opportunity to miss opportunity.
and Israel is always so friendly, forthcoming and flexible huh? that's why it's been occupying, dividing and conquering since 1967
I am an Israeli fully in faith of our Jewish rights. but please, let's not be in denial, our current administration ain't interested in anything but their own, single minded, hard line ideological agenda, which by definition includes exclusivity to anything that is not Zionistic.
Why should we negotiate with a people who is currently absorbing the land we are negotiating about. Gee - You people sure think you've given up alot - you havern't done squat.
The Palestinians have already got all they are going to get. It's about time they realized that.
Nothing
hence they are no longer willing to continue the pretense of negotiations just to save the US ,UN and EU the embarrassment of having to deal with Israels complete illegal annexation of the West Bank and dispossession of the Palestinians from their land .
You've failed your people.
And Israel kills them.....
Pal standard of living much higher than Jordanians ,he isn't that dumb to go there
Israel refuses to say where it wants the borders to be, therefore there is nothing to negotiate *about*.
I forgot that Israel was above the law and can continue illegal settlement building. My bad.
If you like, Pete, you can claim one or two previous Israeli PMs were serious about peacse, and you might be right. But not Bibi. Don't make me laugh!
In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25) * ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories.
of course !!!! while Israel wants to talk there are bulldozers destroying palestinian houses on palestinian land. Are the palestinians supposed to accept that ? no. No people would accept that. So just keep quiet. You're a shame