PA seeks UN censure of Israel over Gaza, Temple Mount

all Jews for the Arabs in Palestine and their league announced it. Nasser/Assad said much the same in 1967 THATS the relationship not the same as your analogy at all

Inspite of their large non-Arab or non-Moslem minorities. Doesn't that bother you?

E: "Yes, indeed, this is a basic demand of the Jewish people, within and without of Israel." You have just disenfranchised fully 20% of the Israeli citizenry with that statement, Eitan. You have also handed over to some 6 million non-Israelis (i.e. the disapora Jews) the right to decide the nature of the state of Israel. If you want to consider just how racist and wacko-crazy that is, then consider this analogy: Everyone who is of anglo-saxon "stock" (e.g. most Canadians, Australians, and many Americans) can demand the right to "define" the United Kingdom, and all those Britons who aren't anglo-saxon can go screw themselves. Or this: the Palestinians are "arabs", and so they can't decide the nature of any sovereogn state because, of course, the Egyptians, the Saudis, the Syrians, the Kuwaitis, etc., all must a say in that as well. You know, seeing as they are all "arabs" 'n' all....

Amidst thunderous applause, Ahmed Qureia opened the PA conference of August 4, 2009 with the words, "We have in our midst the hero Khalied Abu-Isbah, hero of the operation led by the Shahida (Martyr) Dalal Mughrabi. We salute him and welcome him." They were responsible for the 1978 coastal road bus hijacking and cold-blooded murder of 37 Israelis, including 12 children. This is the true face of the PA who criticize us. How do the Israelis writing peace-loving platitudes on this sight ignore the fact that our partner in negotiation, Abbas, congratulated the parents of the child murderer Kuntar upon his release from an Israeli prison (in a Hezbollah exchange for 3 dead Israeli soldiers that were murdered in captivity.)

Show me one document.

From Syria to Saudi-Arabia, from Pakistan to Iran. But you have no problem with that, right?

There was no orderly handover of administration or coordination in any aspect" SO WHAT!!! There will ALWAYS be an excuse for their behavior~ Silvia Yes, tell me what do you think the Israeli prisoners in any of the Israeli poisons would do if the Israeli guards withdrew? Establish self counseling service. Flower arrangement and torah studies? Israel continued to overfly their airspace, " American in NY El Al overflies many territories ... so?- Silvia Yes, El Al flies over other countries with their consent. I am unaware that they drop bombs when they do. I doubt that El Al overflies Gaza. The IAF does not overfly any country without permission either. They do drop bombs. "blockaded their only access to the outside world" OK, then ... Egypt? aren`t they their "brothers". I think I`m entitled to chose who I let get in my house. ? Silvia The house of Egypt is entitled to control its borders and controls who get into its house, as does Israel. Gaza?s international border on the Mediterranean should not be controlled by either. Egypt does not, but Israel does control Gaza?s access to the outside world. I am American of European ancestry. That does not give me a right to enter the land of my brothers. Why do you hold Egypt to a different international standard?

for years, at least since declaring that Zionism = Racism.

Period. After ALL Jews ethnically cleansed from E Jerusalem in 1948.

How is it that demanding access to one's own home and place of worship be considered arrogance.

the membership of the UNHRC plus the terms of reference that the UNHRC had the gall to put up because of their numbers. Not to mention how at least 2 members of the reporting team should have disqualified themselves,if they had a shred of honesty regarding the prejudices they expressed in writing prior to the investigation requiring them to disqualify themselves. Justice in the UN has not got a chance.!

Those Jews are trying to defend themselves against the brutal terrorist murderers of Hamas who murder their own people like members of Fatah. Same in nearly all Moslem countries whether in Lebanon where our fellow Christians are persecuted and have been murdered or in other Arab countries where Moslems freely murder their fellow Moslems. Why just today I read of another another number of Iraqis murdered and in the New York Times:"This week, a draft report by Iraq?s Human Rights Ministry said that from 2004 to 2008 - the period of the bloodiest sectarian strife - that 85,694 people had been killed and 147,000 wounded." And how many more everyday in the other Arab countries?

The Arabs are minority in any Judeo/Christian country but the hucpa they have with demands is biond beliff.

I like your theory because if you are OK with the Romans ?giving the boot? to the Jews you also must be OK with the Jews ?giving the boot? to the Arabs. So according to you, Mr Brown, it?s OK for Israel to deny the Arabs access to Har Habait (if you don?t know, this is the real name of the Temple Mount) or any part they deem to be Israel. Thanks.

the romans occupied palestina [israel] from 135ad until 560ad. prior to that they occupied israel for 200 years the ottomans from 1450ad until 1917. the crusaders for 200 years inbetween . another bonehead is posted by haaretz .

I would suggest that leaving Gaza and giving up the Sinai might constitute returning land to Arabs, but I suppose you might object. How about we give them back that jewel on the Mediterranean which they claim was originally an Arab city -- Tel Aviv. As an observant Jew who could not find one kosher restaurant in that city (save in the tourist hotels), I would not object.

So the Roman empire "gave the boot to the Hebrews". What you mean is ethnically cleanse, and for 2,000 years we said we would return to Jerusalem. And we did. Fair warning to your "freedom fighters".

So PALS have "civilian,political,economic,social and cultural rights" -MAYBE--but as squatting "occupiers" of the historical land stolen from the Jewish People -in no way but fiction do they have ANY "LAND RIGHTS" to the territories disputed except FICTIVE "LAND RIGHTS" invented by the U.N. (now a cabal of "bought" votes by the Islamic "gang" of countries and their allies and lackeys). We also have THEIVES given LAND "RIGHTS" in SAUDI ARABIA -after all MOHAMMED stole those lands from the pagans by wiping them out; so if the U.N. wants to aprove Land Rights from that premise it MUST also approve the Jewish Rights to all the land in "palestine" since they stole it by wipoing out the Cannanites . You cannot gove land rights ONLY to Muslims or divide such land-but here is a deal: Israel gives up the west bank to the PALs +half the Temple Mount,for half Saud Arabia INCLUDING half the oil fields. Then everyone has "EQUAL" rights!Oops I forgot-the "world" does not give Jews any "RIGHT

By attempting to damage/destroy, and deny (Christian and Muslim) Palestinians access to their Holy sites, Israel further attempts to wipe out evidence of Palestinian culture on the land it has already stolen, and other land earmarked for Zionist take-over. As for language, note the name change of pre existing Arab villages AND the language and personal name change practiced by European Zionists once they arrive in Palestine/Israel. Taking on the persona of a Hebrew... well that is expected of immigrants to Israel isn't it - otherwise they are likely to be kicked out!

THEY want digging near Temple Mount to stop. I dont hear the church yelling out to the Muslims why are you distroying churches. Why did you hid in a church and do on the walls what civilized prople do in the bathroom. Why waste Un money they will blame everything on Israel.

Right you are!

So, let me get this straight. If someone kicks you out of your house, and a vagrant moves into it, it's his? 2500 years ago there were no such people as "Palestinians". Arabs didn't even arrive in Israel till about 1200 years ago. That's about half of your 2500 years. In the meantime, the last Jew never left Israel. You say Jerusalem should be returned to her "rightful owners". Pray tell, who would those be? Surely not Jordan, who stole half of Jerusalem in 1948 and would've stolen the other half in 1967, if Israel hadn't defeated Jordan and liberated our holy city. "Palestinians" are nothing more than Jordanians who moved into Judea and Samaria during the occupation and who refused to return home after 1967. Jordan's king washed his hands of them and stripped them of their citizenship, and now they whine that they have no country. Jordan doesn't want Jerusalem "back", and it would be too darn bad if it did. A thief doesn't get his booty "back".

The lack of basic access to Jerusalem is criminal. Palestinians from Gaza can't even leave Gaza. Palestinians from the West Bank can not go Jerusalem except without a special permit. Israel has choked communities from each other. They continue to lay seige on Gaza. Meanwhile, Israel insists on peace "talks" as long as they do not cover any of the final status issues.... What exactly is there to talk about if we aren't talking about Jerusalem, final borders and other critically important issues?

the peace process because when one of your own condemns you, you are condemned. Soon the UN will declare Palestine a state without any Israeli input, just like they recognized Israel as state without any Arab input. Of course, you guys never could read handwriting on the wall from time immemorial, a definite shortcoming. As the old folks say, one monkey doesn't stop any show. Tea?

Nowhere have the Palestinian leaders said that they are asking for anything less than an unlimited right of return. You are just assuming it. You are just saying what you THINK is going to happen. The Arabs demand a right of return into Israel proper. They have never said that 40,000 or 100,000 or whatever is enough. You are saying it for them.

kinds of Indian artifacts in the US and some older than theirs!!! It is pure BS to say that any such artifacts give Israel claim to all the land. Go dig in your backyard and see what you find and then dutifully return your land to its original owners. This argument is really stupid!!! Now have tea and don't post tosh. BTW, what proof have you that any Hebrew artifacts found justify this group of Zionist's claim to any land? You don't have any is the answer. More tea?

I did my IDF service in the West Bank and know very well that it was never part of Israel, that is the State of Israel. It had no Jewish population after 1948 a very little before that time.Was haifa a "Jewish" town? An Israelite town" Was Jaffa? Was Acre? Jordan administered Judea and Samaria which was populated by Palestinians and they are the people Israel occupies and they are the territorties into which Israel i s moving Jews to tilt the demographic balance ian their favour because the entire population has been for centuries, Arab. Specifically Arab which achieved a Palestinian identiy during the 19th and 20 cent at the same time Zionism was being formulated.

"they" refers to the corrupt hrc, which is made up of many of the worst human rights violators in the un. a court jew refers to a jew who accepted to work for absolute rulers in exchange for priveleges that were denied to the jewish community as a whole. the fact that the hrc chose a jew to head the committe is not a coincidence. such a move was an attempt to give the report a certain legitimacy. no person with a good conscience would accept a commission from the hrc. the idea that such a group of human rights violators would sit in judgment over israel is a farce. however, it must be remembered that goldstone came up the ranks of the south african judiciary. a "shabbat goy" was a non-jewish person who helped out on shabbat with lighting fires and other small jobs which jews are not permitted to do on shabbat. such an arrangement was perfectly legitimate and served both the jew and the non-jew.

one of the results of the goldstone report is to put a halt in the peace process.

Well then its a fresh demand, and most likely an unacceptable one as far as the quartet is concerned. a demand not made at Oslo or Camp David or Taba or by Sharon or by Rabin. Another excuse to make an agreement even more unlikely than ever. No other nation has ever asked that its ethnicity or religion be formally agreed upon by an adversary or neighbour as a condition of a peace agreement. This is a stalling device, one in a long line of stalling devices. First, Israel would never deal with the PLO. Then once international pressure wore them down as the PLO moderated Israel relented, then there 'was no partner' as Arafat was unacceptable, now the partner is not subservient enough. Tomorrow you will demand they wear yamulkas!

UN resolution 181 used Arab and Jewish as descriptive terms to define the two parties, no more. It gives no advice on the names these countries should use. It is a BIG stretch of the imagination to conclude that they forgot to say that one should be called the Jewish state of West Palestine and the other the Arab state of East Palestine. The resolution doesn't mention Eretz Israel either, did your imagination just run away with you a bit? Prefixing 'Israel' with 'The Jewish State of' would be an unacceptable racist-religious label, implying as it does Jewish dominance over and disregard for Israel's ethnic, religious and secular communities. As a label, it would not be unlike 'The Aryan Reich of Gross Deutschland.' It is a complete non-starter diplomatically. The only people calling for it are Netanyahu, Lieberman and some on the far right. Which ensures it just ain't going to happen.

....that when it comes to the United States, Israel was also heavily benefitting from "politics". In Europe it may once in a while work against Israel, but on the other side of the Atlantic the whole thing clearly works in favour of Israel.....

In 1967 Israel did a terrible thing. After liberating Har haBayit, she gave control of it back to the Waqf. G*d gave to the Jewish people a great gift, and Israel threw it right back into His face. Yerushalyim and Har haBayit belong to the Jewish people ONLY. The ONLY reason the Arabs and Muslims want them is that they know that the best way to kill someone is to cut his heart out. They want control of all of Yerushalyim, including Har haBayit, as a powerful symbol of the Jewish people's dhimmitude. All people, including Muslims and Xians, will be allowed - indeed, encouraged - to pray on Har haBayit when Beit haMikdash is rebuilt. May it be soon and speedily.

Everyone with HALF a brain at least knows what this is all about - propaganda attempts on the part of the Palestinians - more yes, but WE know THEY have been digging and destroying Jewish artifacts, that disprove their claims that Israel is theirs - more, all of what they accuse Israel of THEY are Guilty of - extremists do NOTHING useful - they kill, destroy and LIE - worthless fellows - why don't they TRY to live in peace and build their country? they have land - but all they want to do is kill - and destroy - this shows who they really are. By their deeds you shall know them.

'Every Arab scenario ends with Israel becoming an Arab Muslim majority state.' The PLO has already long-since recognised. Israel. The Arab League has offered to do so on or close to the Green lLine. Even Hamas has said it will accept the result of a PLO referendum on the issue. So there will be a Jewish state. Only in Israel is it pretended otherwise. Alll are aware that there can be a very limited ROR to Israel. So much so that Olmert felt able to offer 'a little over 5,000' homes for refugees 'on compassionate grounds'. OK, he was trying it on, you can add a zero to that, but it is still a drop in the bucket next to 4+ million refugees. The negotiation is about Israeli compensation to the remainder, which is why Israel keeps stalling and denying the Naqba happened. Only in Israel is it pretended otherwise. The only likely way that Israel will become an Arab Muslim majority state will be if it carries on thwarting a two-state solution. and so ends up with a one state one.

Have you no shame or decency, madam? Squatting in Germany, you are not qualified to shine Mr. Goldstone's shoes!!! As he said on CNN in defense of himself, those calling him assorted unflattering names, such as yourself, are upset, as usual, because tribalism didn't trump truth. Any Jew that outs Israeli bad behavior is disparaged by you and yours. Hooray for Mr. Goldstone, a true Jew adhering to the tenets of true Judaism. He lifts Jews up; you tear them down. Say when are you gonna make aliya and stop squatting in Germany posting tosh! Tea?

Palistinians never "owned" Judea and Samaria, being you are a proclaimed x IDF you would have known that. You would have also known before the Bristish ran it it was a part of Israel Proper (JUDEA & SAMARIA) If you know your history , aakov you would really have to admit that. No IDF Man would have ever suggested no matter what his views that Judea and Samaria were never Israeli . It is a fact that it was .

oldstones daughter lives in Toronto Canada. The National post quoted her has saying "My father is a zionist" Being that the definition of a Zionist is wishing to return to Ion (erusalem) wonder how he can say re divide Jerusalem.

Hamas memebers are FREEDOM FIGHTERS. The Palestinians have owned the land for over 2,500 years. The Roman Empire gave the boot to the hebrews. The Palestinians are the rightful owners of the land.

EVEN THOUGH YOU INSULT SOME OF US (my Little Puddle) "What has Israel done to deserve censure over the Temple Mount?" very aprly asked and comendible. there is hope for you yet.

It goes and goes Centure of Israel, what about todays report from Southern Lebanon and bombs that went off in their UN controlled southern part of Lebanon We are all sure BBS News will inform us of any future sanctions for that.

Will you ever admit to the historical truth? The Gaza Strip was an artificial refugee area established in 1949 in the aftermath of the Israeli War for Independence forced upon the Jews by the surrounding Arab regimes who gleefully invaded the Mandated Territory. Not wishing to face the embarrassment of their defeat in the war, the Egyptians adamantly refused admission of the Arab refugees into their territory. Therefore in the coastal area of the Palestinian Mandated area still under their control at the end of 1948 the Egyptians and the UN established a giant refugee camp the so called Gaza Strip. In 1979 during the peace negotiations Israel proposed to Anwar Sadat, at Camp David, that in order to end the misery of the stateless Arab refugees of the Gaza Strip, that the Egyptians allow these refugees to resettle the Israel settlements created in Sinai. The Egyptian delegation refused the gesture and demanded that Israel destroy them. Additionally the Egyptians tightly regulate their border crossings in order to enhance the bribes and profit derived from the illegal transfer of goods. Egyptian policy is motivated to prevent the Palestinians from entering their territory. In the aftermath of the Oslo accords, Israel had had eased restrictions allowing thousands of Palestinians regulated access to jobs and goods in Israel. There were signs of prosperity and hope. It was only after Yasser Arafat began allowing Gaza to be used as a major base for terror and suicide bomber attacks that Israel began to strictly regulate the entrance of goods and services, as any other nation would do if threatened. In a move to advance the interest of peace Israel?s supposed right wing leader Arik Sharon forcibly evacuated Israeli citizens from thriving settlements from within the Gaza Strip, at a great financial and moral price. The Israeli government attempted to arrange a peaceful transfer of facilities and infrastructure. The Palestinians refused to negotiate in good faith, mainly due to infighting between rival Palestinian fractions. There was no orderly handover of administration or coordination in any aspect because of the Palestinians and once again the Arabs demanded that the area be destroyed and laid waste. What was left was quickly vandalized by the local populace. The vacated farm area is now a no-mans land. Hamas and other terrorist gangs openly use the area as training grounds and as areas to launch rocket attacks. During Operation Cast Lead the area was found to be bristling with underground tunnels and bunkers. All of these structures built with the same concrete and building supplies Israel had allowed in to help rebuild the sewage and water infrastructure. Tons of badly needed civilian building materials, paid for by US taxpayers and members of the EU, where trucked in through Israeli transfer points under the auspices of the UNWRA were readily turned over by Palestinian UNWRA employees to Hamas for the construction of military facilities and bunkers. Pipes intended for the renewal of Palestinian water and sewage system were take to secret workshops to be turned into rockets. So yes Israel continues to over fly the airspace of Gaza to locate terrorist teams who prepare rockets to kill and maim Israeli citizens. As to your statement concerning the supply of water, Israel has had to regulate supplies since much of the fresh water supplied to Gaza is lost due to an inadequate infrastructure which should have been repaired with the tons of building materials supplied to them. The same goes for fuel and electricity. As to the other essentials of life, medicine, food, school supplies. These items were in constant supply prior to the suicidal attacks carried out against the Israeli transfer points. These same points are still attacked on a regular basis by sniper and mortar fire. All of this could change over night if the Palestinians were to negotiate in good faith.

Israel must obey international law and return all of Jerusalem to its rightful owners. Israel's lawful borders were established in 1948 and any deviation must be considered as an act of war. If Israel fails to comply with international law then it is up to the civilized world to disarm and dismantle Israel.

more arab lies as usual. Israel is allowing food and medicine into gaza UNHINDERED. ALos, GAZA has Freaking border with Egypt, let the egypts feed their gazan citizens rather than blame the JEws. When are Arabs going to take responsibility for their own damn actions! Enough is Enough! As for the "provocations" In jerusalem- that is another lie, Hamas agents, aka the Northern Islamic movement ("Northern b/c Hamas is the Southern) instigated the disturbances through deliberate misinformation that the PA conveniently supported to cover up Abbas perceived pro-US position. The Israeli Arabs- having access to FREE INFORMATION (thanks to Israel!), realised the Hamas/PA ploy and have seen abandoned the riots; seeing that Israelis are not provoking anyone, the Arabs are quiet and going about their daily lives, at is should be, without Islamo-fascists pushing for Jihad!

The whole Western world is being taken hostage by Muslim terrorists and they don't even "get it". Everyday there is a new request, a new warning, a new ultimatum, a new court case, a new special session of this or that institution. Nothing functions anymore. All the world institutions must "accomodate" themselves to the "wishes" of these Muslims terrorists, if not than.....more warnings and more ultimatums! Why is this? All because of "Israel and the Jews" (ONLY 13 million of total world population). Isn't it a bit ridicules? Isn't it time for the world to say STOP. Life on this planet realy won't improve if there is no jew/Israeli left and 1.5 billion muslims take over the power of the world. It's time to get "proportion and sanity" right again. OIL is important, but it is not all.

I knew some fool would take the bait. And it was Silvia. Silvia, i am glad that you admit Gaza was to Israel - "ill-acquired Pal land". Thus meaning Israel stole this land. And by the way Silvia, can you or anyone tell me if the airspace and sea around Gaza were also released to the Palestinians?? I would be very interested to know the answer - Yes or No!! Shalom and Salam.

There is no need for Israel to negotiate with the PA as the PA is perfectly capable of unilateral negotiations of its own with everybody else. The question for Israel is whether to "censure"--i.e. ban--the PA and start taking direct control of its national destiny and security.

Earlier, swiss d CLAIMS that "there seems to be NOTHING WRONG with this draft." (my EMPHASIS) He even "CHECKED it TWICE" but is UNABLE to "find a SINGLE sentence in it that a DECENT, FAIR-MINDED Israeli citizen couldn`t support". (my EMPHASIS) Well, his BLUFF has been CALLED - there are PLENTY of INACCURATE and BIASED info in the draft. So NOW, swiss d can ONLY cowers and shrugs off as "this is a free world". Of course, he CANNOT help but again FLOGS the DEAD horse known as the Goldstone report.

It makes a great deal of difference that the withdrawal was unilateral without any coordination. Understadn this. Sharon withdrew, not out of any peace impulse. He withdrew because he realised that Israel could not continue propping up its settlements there, either militarily or treasure. He alsdo wanted to focus on further colonisation of the WB and E.Jer. Gaza remained a ghetto with Israel controlling all facets of life for that overcrowed strip-air, land, sea and what goes in and what goes out. To think that Gaza had suddenly turned into a potential rose garden and the Gazans destroyed that potential is absurd and is betrayed by the facts. Gaza is one of the most wretched places on earth and that is largely thanks to Israel.

Bourne by Israel, as is the motto of the day, even in the wake of the fall of the USSR, it only makes sense that Israel should be liable for the costs of Palestinians Poor Political Prowess. Its an old song retold every couple of years to reaffirm the premise which applies only in the Israel-Palestinian Conflict. "the need of another gives claim to another's livlihood" I.e., because Palestinians have a need, regardless of why they have this need or whether this need is in part or in whole their own fault. it gives claim to the livlihood, the time and money, of Israeli's and all other's who have government's who donate "AID" to a cause that is of no asset, that has no talent to repay it and most likely no desire to repay it either. How many Palestinians are pro-America/ The WEst and agree with WEstern values? such that the AID has made them like you that it is worth the investment?

"El Al overflies territories" Read that sentence again and tell me you're joking. Do you know palestinians ? you pretend you do... Have a great life in your bubble and keep avoiding reality, Israel's occupation and killings. That's what you know better.

Read the quote from the PA amabassador carefully, nations of the opwrld siding with the PA: And the Palestinians CAN evade international law by not allowing the Red Cross to see Shalit for 3 years?!?!?

Israel Occupies Arab East Jerusalem It Forbids Most Moslems from reaching the Aqsa Mosque. It restricts movements of occupied Palestinian people. It destroys, confiscates Palestinian Property. It supports Jewish settlers and their violent activities in occupied lands. It singles out non-jewish people in all the above activities.

... but the scorched-earth that our bulldozers left behind does make one want to forget that it was ever called a 'disengagement' in the first place... ... my fuller response to Silvia#35 has not appeared yet...

Roo you state QUOTE Lastly, what is the agreement that requires the Palestinians to recognize the state of Israel as a `Jewish` state? That is the demand of Netanyahu, but not of any agreement. Did you just make it up? END of Quote Agreements you say?! Please note the following excerpt from the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 of November 29, 1947 The mandatory Power shall advise the Commission, as far in advance as possible, of its intention to terminate the mandate and to evacuate each area. The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure that an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in Parts II and III below. The period between the adoption by the General Assembly of its recommendation on the question of Palestine and the establishment of the independence of the Arab and Jewish States shall be a transitional period. Next here are two excerpts from The Palestine Mandate The Council of the League of Nations: From the Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people? Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; ?. Article 2 The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble,

"Yes, indeed, this is a basic demand of the Jewish people" Well then its a fresh demand, and most likely an unacceptable one as far as the quartet is concerned. a demand not made at Oslo or Camp David or Taba or by Sharon or by Rabin. Another excuse to make an agreement even more unlikely than ever. No other nation has ever asked that its ethnicity or religion be formally agreed upon by an adversary or neighbour as a condition of a peace agreement. This is a stalling device, one in a long line of stalling devices. First, Israel would never deal with the PLO. Then once international pressure wore them down as the PLO moderated Israel relented, then there 'was no partner' as Arafat was unacceptable, now the partner is not subservient enough. Tomorrow you will demand they wear tzitzis!

They still have the wish of returning to the time prior to 1967.Where there was no rights for Isralis in Jerusalem.They don't have a state yet,and east-Jerusalem is not their capital yet,and they are showing their intentions,and that make any two state supporter fear.Would Jerusalem be the reason for war after the creation of a Palestinian state?. The lack of tolerance and respect by the Muslim for other religions,and demanding respect for their religion or else.....! It seem that any conflict with the Arabs(political,ideological,geographical,historical.) must end with religion,and why?because they can ignite with it a billion people to support them,even from those that hate them,but hate Jewish more.Religion is their ideology,policy, history,and geography.

On top of Israel's actions in Jenin and then in Lebanon, when the world's reaction was nonaction, perhaps the Goldstone report, under the direction of an internationally respected jurist, will be the straw that broke the camel's back. It is a serious indictment and it will not go away and Israel's Foreign Ministry is panicking. It's crimes and their justifications can no longer be hidden. They have tried to disassembly the messenger, they have tried to connect the findings with an open door for sanctioning "terrorism",but the findings remain and stand as a legitimate indictment. The question is will the threats and posturing of Israel (netanyahu's declaration that if the report is reviewed there will be no opening of negotiations) work in impeding justice this time round?

"Israel continued to overfly their airspace, " El Al overflies many territories ... so? "blockaded their only access to the outside world" OK, then ... Egypt? aren't they their "brothers". I think I'm entitled to chose who I let get in my house. "That the Palestinians did not respond to their open air prison with tranquility and gratitude puzzles you" It does not puzzle me at all, I know them. It puzzles you ... but you know better :-) Have a great life in NY

"There was no orderly handover of administration or coordination in any aspect" SO WHAT!!! There will ALWAYS be an excuse for their behavior. It's always someone else's fault. Then OK, it was not done orderly and no keys were handed over ... but the land was vacated, greenhouses left for their own development, ..., and what did they do? destruction rampage and then pose for pictures eating hummus on the debris ... shame on them

Will the injustices inflicted on the Palestinians living under occupation be addressed or will the power, bombast and threats of the present Israeli government succed in silencing the public discussion of these injustices that could lead to accountability. How long will Israel be able to get away with these actions and coerce the international community into thinking that they have anything to do with security or as effective efforts against "terrorism"?

All should remember that Hamas is also implicated in this report. Did the perpetrators of Operation Cast Lead intend to inflict maximum damage on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza as a means of intimidating and terrorising the civilian population-"teach em a lesson they won't forget" kind of thing. The report gives evidence that it did. Israel did not cooperate so we don't know what their own investigation would have shown. Their denial and advocacy against any public airing of the allegations says alot about what that government fears. Barak's propaganda barrage also indicates Israel's fear that the evidence is solid. As for the Temple Mount, Israel has been, certainly since the netanyahu tunnelling project in 1996 which resulted in 80 deaths, conductng a campaign that if not meant to lay claim to the site, then undermine any sense of maintaining the status quo. It is a Muslim holy site. Period. Israel has been doing all it can to reverse that status quo.

when was the last time that we vacated even one dunam of ill-acquired Pal land...?!"- Esther Do you remember Gaza- Silvi Silvia, vacate is not exactly the correct description of what happened. The Israelis withdrew from Gaza. There was no orderly handover of administration or coordination in any aspect. Israel continued to overfly their airspace, blockaded their only access to the outside world. Controlled (rationed) water, fuel, electricity and ever essential of life, medicine food, school supplies. The list is endless. That the Palestinians did not respond to their open air prison with tranquility and gratitude puzzles you. I am puzzled also.

...because,... ...since the conflict will only grow, both sides blaming each other with unflagging resolve, without end, arguing about the Goldstone Report, until finally they'll start bombing us, again, with better rockets, and after waiting for another 8 years we'll wallop them, again, and then Goldstone Junior will come, and ... so on...

You have touched the real problem.The international community never had the capability to make a fair and balanced judgement,to much politic,and politic is never balanced or fair. I hope you don't need documentation for that,because it will take 600 words to cover that.That is the REAL problem with the world.

Yes, indeed, this is a basic demand of the Jewish people, within and without of Israel. Recognizing Israel as such would be indicative of finally, after 62 years, accepting the principle enshrined by the UN in its 29 Nov 1947 resolution No. 181 to establish a "Jewish state" and an "Arab state" in Eretz Israel (Land of Israel / Palestine). Refusal to accept the principle, by refusing to accept Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people, while at the same time demanding the establishment of an Arab state in the disputed territories amounts to the negation of the right of the Jewish people to national self-determination and independence, exercised of course in the form of Israel, thus rejecting Israel's right to be what it is. Until and unless the Arabs accept Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish sh people they can accept little in terms of Israel's willingness to take any additional risky steps forward.

They are giving up on Obama.The hopes they had in him"evaporated".They put all their hopes in the UN,and no wonder they do so. The never ending story of Goldstone's probe will go on until they get some decision to condemn Israel or worst.They will not even"look" at Darfur,and Nigeria,Helmand,and Falugah. Thousands innocent people are dying all around them,but they are busy with Goldstone's report, so the others have the"green-light" for persecutions and war crimes.

... actually I implied the West Bank... ... the Gaza disengagement was heroic, timely and correct... but it's aftermath was poorly thought out and implemented... ... future returning of Pal lands will require far more fore-thought and planning...

Do the pals really believe this, or did they have to down a bottle of Milk of Magnesia before they wrote this? Remember, a Jew is not ALLOWED on the Temple Mount. Rachel's Tomb and The Church of the Nativity had been desecrated. Qassams were fired upon schoolchildren. It isn't Israel's actions they despise the most, it is their existence.

Every Arab scenario ends with Israel becoming an Arab Muslim majority state.The West and Jews hope to change that but that is nothing more than a "HOPE". It's not reality. Israeli governments today will not weaken Israel's security situation because of a HOPE that may never be realized.

... more than half-a-century ago, we've been pretty well respected by 'the world', even by those who don't exactly like us...

Will another "I did-you did" provide more incentive to solve the problems or less?

Meshal is not funny or stupid and that why he pushes the vote in the UN. You see,the way the UN is functioning he knows that they can get anything from the UN. condemnations,resolutions,censure.while they get away with anything.Bbsn Linthwait and others will deney that but Meshal knows it is a fact.so why not try?.Hamas won't be the first or last that planned and implemented crimes against humanity,and war crimes,and gets away with it because the UN is"near-sighted"and Israel is near,the rest are to far awy to see. The nonsense about Jerusalem is just another attempt to steal someone's sacred place.Like they did with Christians,Buddhist,and Hindus. The Vatican should watch out!!

A corrupt organization that abuses its power and achieves nothing to make the world a better place. It is now the attack dog of radicals and despots. Wanna bet on the result of the meeting? Israel will be maligned yet again, the US will veto and nothing will have been achieved for anyone's good.

Seems rather less than factual to me. If ever a peace agreement is concluded than it will end the conflict. We're still waiting for the peace agreement in case you didn't know. The PLO accepted Israel's right to exist over 20 years ago, and to the satisfaction of Netanyahu when he was last P.M! Lastly, what is the agreement that requires the Palestinians to recognise the state of Israel as a 'Jewish' state? That is the demand of Netanyahu, but not of any agreement. Did you just make it up? Have you been doing this sort of thing for long?

....why doesn't Israel make her own draft with the concerns you were bringing up in your response to me...??? The International community will then be able to make a fair and balanced judgement. As she did with the Goldstone report.....

Bibi's breaking the momentum of the peace talks is to blame for the Palestinian's diplomatic attacks we are suffering now. If Bibi had not stalled the peace talks we would still have control of the ball. Everybody would be looking forward to "the next step," and would not want to hear all these complaints. But Bibi broke the momentum by too much stalling, and the Palestinians took over in a new direction. Doesn't Bibi know how to play soccer??!

world to believe them and act based on such "narratives". This phenomenon is not new of course. They have been doing it since the 1920s in an organized way. What is relatively new is their manufacturing of "narratives" in order to extricate themselves from commitments they have already made and from a peace process that folds demands of them and not only benefits, e.g. recognize Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people, and accept the signing of a peace agreement with Israel as the end of the conflict.

Eban also said "Men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all the other alternatives." Perhaps Israel will heed his words. If they continue to think it their right to collectively punish as they clearly did in Gaza they will exhaust the worlds patience [possibly with the exception of the US] but then the US weakens daily. Soon even they might have to reassess. Israel will never have a better chance at a lasting solution. Ten years from now demographics will cement Israel's status as an apartheid state. Even Eban would have recognised this. After all, Olmert and Sharon both understood this well enough.

destruction of Israel (see all their "constitutions") by ruse if not by force, Israel of course sees it through - but due to moral status epilepticus of "international community" pretends to have the process. Everybody happily lies.

is a trickier one. Unhindered access to holy sites is fine in theory but has to be balanced by security considerations, particularly when things are very combustible, as of of late. Limiting access to the over 50s and women seems to have worked, by keeping the angry young bloods away. Unhindered access also raises big questions on the Jewish side. The religious authorities say that Jews should not pray on the Temple Mount and most comply, a religious/nationalist minority thinks otherwise and seeks to do so. Should they be given 'unhindered access' too? All excavation under the site should be stopped or under international control. This continual religious tunnel battle to prove the Dome was/wasn't built on the Temple is a Pandora's box. Empirical scholars think it wasn't but history is littered with new religious buildings being placed atop old ones. Not knowing would be preferable to having a mega religious conflagration. The motion is simplistic and will achieve nothing.

to all the christian out there, remember the fight is not just a muslim fight the struggle is with out brother and sister in christianity also to be able to workship. It seam Israel make it hard on them too because their are Palestinian!! Is it time for American christian to stop and smell the coffee and stop been used for wrong.

of igniting a third intifada. It is proper and correct that this is called to the UN's attention. Sharon suicceeded, Netanyahu and Lieberman are going to agree to a two state solution with East Jerusalem as the eternal capital of the Palestinian people. Or Israel is going to achieve official pariah status during their extremely successful stewardship of Israel. Turkey is the latest country, wonder who is next. Please make it the United Kingdom. WE AGREE WITH THE GOLDSTONE REPORT

Mark Lincoln they did just that! no freedom not only for muslim also christian!just because they called themself Palestinian, to Israel is no difference so you from texas keep on sleeping down there instead of really look at the fact.

No surprises here. Their goal of the destruction of Israel remains unchanged. After Israel evacuated its settlements from Gaza, rockets were fired into Southern Israel before Hamas took control from the PA. Netanyahu's acceptance of a demilitarized Palestine and rejection of the "right of return" of foreign terrorists to our land, guarantees that no serious negotiations will take place with the PA. The settlement "slow-down" will soon end with PA intransigence and we will expand our presence in our historic lands of Judea and Samaria returned to its rightful owners following an existential war of self-defense.

attention from and push off Pal statehood for an indefinite period of time. In the UN General assembly the Pals will win,no matter what the level of evidence presented. Thereafter the chance of any victory is remote. At the moment they have a sympathetic US administration which will be diverted or even alienated by this fight. So what is the Pals net gain? As Abba Eban said "They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

The UNHRC could give guidelines for how Israel or any other country is allowed to deal with terrorisme.After all the TM crisis started when Pal rioters stoned French pilgrims there.

The Muslims are shooting themselves in the foot. The true facts of Jews in Jerusalem has been hidden from those who would deny Jewish connection, heritage and history to it. The more the world understands about Jerusalem, the weaker Palestinian claims become. The politicized anti-Semitic elites around the world will always try to push their lies, but the masses will learn, eventually.

The only ones discriminated against on the temple mount are Jews. Jews are heaven forbid prohibited from praying on their holiest site. If a Jew is caught praying on the Temple Mount he is arrested.

peace process is over because of this. The Goldstone report is a report to the UN and obviously needs to be considered by it. The Commission's report on humanitarian conditions in Gaza likewise. That's how democratic institutions work, tough if Israel doesn't like it. (The Jerusalem motion is more borderline). It seems most Israelis here expect Abbas just to be a non-critical puppet, the compliant leader of a Bantustan desperate to ingratiate himself with the great Israeli occupier. If not, he of course must be punished by cessation of the non-existent peace process that Israel has blocked for years and has no intention of ever completing. What a threat!. Peace will only come when the UN takes Palestine back from Israel and does the necessary. In the meantime Abbas, with moral and legal right on his side and a weather eye on the threat from Hamas, should totally ignore Israeli blackmail and press on to a resolution of these two important issues.

THEY (whatever THEY is)found a court jew. What is a court jew? Is this a similiar term as for shabbat goy. Your language shows your position. In any legal story you will find jews on both sides of the river Jordan. Think on the WB papers, both protagonist jews, professors and telling the audience the 180 o story. Dear Cipora they did not need a court jew, there are so few people with this experience. The rest of the day I will have my amusement that old austrian monarchy is still alive.

There was no peace process anyways as Netanyahu and other previous PM's insisted on building settlements to further undermine the idea of a Jewish state. Abbas needed to know that peace is achieved through truth, justice and compliance to international law. Popular mobilization to enforce International law is the Palestinians' most effective tool to fight the occupation. Otherwise, it's a 1-state solution as there'll be no 'transfer' of indigineous people accross the Jordan River.

Stop calling them "Palestinians", they are Arabs. Palestine is the wriong name: 1) it is offending for Jews to call their homeland by the name given to her by Romans, 2) it is a geographic area called so in the past, not a country. Start with this basic thing and you will see how much the rest will take its proper place.

Mecca without appropriate permissions. Only Israeli Mohammedans have right to go to Al Aqsa at their will. All foreigners should apply for permission.

"they found a court jew to do the job for them" Well why don't the Rabbis excommunicate him like they did Spinoza.Is a Court Jew, a Jew with a conscience or just a regular insult to anyone who disagrees with Israel in public forums, no matter their reputation for fairness and their outspoken support for the Jewish State?

the last time Israel vacated quite a few dunams of "ill-gotten Pal land" (actually, Egyptian) was the Gaza evacuation. I can understand you would't want to be reminded of that, though-it didn't work out quite the way the Left promised us, did it?

it's as simple as that. This claim has no real base in reality!

... by going beserk every time his name is mentioned... as if it were the coming of some 'false messiah'...

Take a look at what's happening in Silwan.

"... when was the last time that we vacated even one dunam of ill-acquired Pal land...?!" Do you remember Gaza?

"What on earth is "extreme" on this draft?" That the draft do NOT contain ALL the FACTS, including : - arab pali clerics INSTIGATING palis to ATTACK Jews (the pali thugs even STONED some foreigners who had to be ESCORTED out by Israeli security forces) - arab palis CONSTANTLY and regularly OBSTRUCT the Jews' access to the Temple Mount even as they CLAIM the site as HOLY to other FAITHS - arab palis DEMANDING that Israel STOP archaeological works while they DESTROY ancient EVIDENCES of ancient Israel in the Old City, etc. In other words, the draft WANTS to DENY Israel of its RIGHTS. "But otherwise there seems to be nothing wrong with this draft...." But of course - it ONLY and solely BASHES Israel. Just the way swiss d likes it.

... S, and why not in-our-lifetime...?!

Until recently the Palestinian Arab leaders have gotten used to receive. They received the right to come from Tunis and set up their Palestinian Authority. They received the right to set up their armed forces. They were given on a silver platter the entire Gaza Strip to be ruled by them. Each of these steps taken by Israel has been risky, very risky indeed. Now they Palestinian Arab leadership is asked to give, none of which is tangible: 1)Recognize Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people 2)The signing of an agreement will be considered the end of the conflict They can't accept these two demands because they go against their very goal: to annihilate Israel, one step at a time if not in a full-scale war. Both demands stand contrary to this goal, thus, knowing full well that they will not receive anything else unless and until they are also willing to give they seek ways to derail the peace process.

when did the world repected jews? we always fought for our exixtence, our history is full of persecutions and blood libels. i believe in our respect of others and i wish others had the same feelings.

The article quotes the Foreign Ministry claiming that the draft "will only serve to show how excessive the Palestinian claims really are.", yet the most serious allegations come from a Jewish UN investigator and the UN human rights commissioner, not the Palestinians. The only Palestinian demand that "Israel abide by international conventions and "allow Palestinian citizens and worshippers unhindered access to their properties and religious sites." and to not deny them access on the basis of national origin, religion, sex, age or any other status, all of which seem reasonable and quite frankly should already be the case. As far as digging around or under religious sites in occupied East Jerusalem, that should be done only with the approval of both Palestinian and Israeli authorities if at all until final status has been determined. All in all, the Palestinian demands in the draft seems very reasonable to me.

it didnt take the world long to understand the PA and Hamas have no interest in peace, at all! only power and the liberation of Israel. Israel will take calculated risks for peace, like pulling out of Gaza, but we all saw what happened there. Just imagine if Hamas win a democratic election in the west bank, OMG, it doesnt bear thinking about!!! the UN can start by re educating the kids in gaza without hamas interference and perhaps in about 20 years we can try for peace again.

... since there won't be an alternative. The auspices are horrible: on one side the biased Goldstone report that became a bible, plus rabid Hamas and impotent Fatah, and on the other side, rabid Lieberman plus liar Netanyahu. It is likely that most countries will take the Palestinian side and the US will find itself isolated in trying to defend the truth (that the UN picks only, and always, on Israel in a world of much bigger conflicts with many more civilian victims - see Sri Lanka vs. Tamils, and that the report is biased ). Therefore no midway accord can anymore be found. The result: WAR! Rockets and terror. Misery on the Arab side. No winners. In the end, going back to where we were before Goldstone...But, maybe, not in our lifetime...Also, more Noble prizes...

...drooling and DREAMING of the darn FRUITS that are simply OUT of his REACH. Of course, he PRETENDS that he is UNAWARE that the palis are PRONE to FLOGGING the DEAD horses. Just LIKE what he is DOING.

It's only endless US vetoes that prevent the UN taking over administration of the West Bank and Gaza before transferring them to a new free Palestine, as they've done with Kosovo. Since the US seems too cowardly to do anything to help peace in the Middle East, maybe it should just get out of the way and let the UN and EU sort it out.

... because Israel never ever conducted it sincerely and effectively... ... when was the last time that we vacated even one dunam of ill-acquired Pal land...?!

... just as we expect them to respect us...

... is that Israel seems to have learnt from the PA that: ... " "honour" is defined as never losing and always winning regardless of the truth" ... a mutual attitude that will keep the confrontation going for a few more generations, until a wise leader snaps-out-of-it ...

I checked it twice, but I couldn't find a single sentence in it, that a decent, fair-minded Israeli citizen couldn't support.... The only thing that could be added to it is that Hamas must continue to prevent all kind of rocket attacks against Israel, and should start working towards reconciliation with Israel. But otherwise there seems to be nothing wrong with this draft....

Instead of healing the wounds within the Palestinian community, building infrastructure, and advancing the foundation of their state, the PA continues to focus on propaganda, not substance. Which is why Israel is a vibrant thriving modern country, and Palestinians are wallowing in the middle ages waging war against each other. Abba Eban: they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. How true. How tragic.

Israel and the PA. The main losers of course will end up being members of the Palestinian Arab public. "They have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity".

the world forgets that temple mount and jerusalem were jewish. the became christian or moslem by war of destruction of the jewish people. un should read history books.

It never fails to amaze me how the Palestinians speak with two tongues. This latest move shows they just don't want to live together in peace.

If Israel cannot defend itself against 8000 rockets... why even THINK of vacating any land. Why? The Palestinians just shot off their own foot over Goldstone. Peace process is kaput 100%. There's nothing to talk about. Sorry Obama.

Still wondering how Jerusalem, or "East Jerusalem" is occupied. When the British Mandate was proposed to be partitioned into respective Jewish and Arab states, Jerusalem was to have been deemed "an international zone". After the War of Independence, of course Transjordan assumed control over the eastern section of Jerusalem. Since, "East Jerusalem" is apparently occupied, to whom does Israel return it to? Jordan? because there's never been a "Jerusalem, 'Palestine'" (in terms of a nation-state) in the history of mankind).

the arab-muslims wanted to tar israel once again using as tool the corrupt hrc. they found a court jew to do the job for them. neither the arabs, nor the oic, nor goldstone could have foreseen the consequences of their enormous folly. the peace process will grind to a halt. israel will be made to feel increasingly isolated, harrassed and paranoid. maybe that was the real intention. the only problem is that israel will continue with her self defence under all circumstances.

yet, now, the corrupt hrc is asked by the pa that israel be censured. this is reality according to muslim tradition where "honour" is defined as never losing and always winning regardless of the truth. the europeans, and lately the americans, will play along since the arabs have oil and gas to use as a tool of blackmail.

Yes, of course Israel must let Palestinian rioters go about their business unhindered.

its explanation of the Palestinian tactic of suicide bombers, and the plans to indict HAMAS leaders for their attacks on Sderot and other Israeli cities?

Aligning themselves with Palestinian terrorism, demonstrating solidarity with Hamas? The PA has no interest in furthering discussion of the country they seek any time soon, I guess. Israel already has a strong, beautiful, vibrant country. Thank God their leaders were more focused 60 years ago.

Israel had threatened to hold back on approval of the new cellphone contracts for the Palestinians, as a quid-pro-quo for Abbas withdrawing the previous resolutions --- and now, what? Mahmoud Abbas?s son is involved with that second Palestinian cellphone company.

Now the puppets-and-masters wanna do some play-acting to show their 'sincerity' towards the Palestinian freedom struggle!

For sure the Palestinians have a right to complain to the UN about Israeli denial of religious rights and settlements in occupied territory - both are a clear violation of the fourth Geneva Convention. And as to the referral of the Goldstone report to the ICC - well, that should not be a problem for any state that insists it has the most moral army in the world!

There the PA has a leg to stand on. But it's other leg is cut off by it's abuses of Human Rights. Yes, the PA committed abuses of Human Rights according to the Goldstone Report. The Palestinian Authority is a fellow defendant with Israel and Hamas. Don't you wish the real world was as simple and easy to understand as mythology? I do not. Everyone committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during Cast Lead. So who might we hold guiltless? We might hold guiltless whom Judge Goldstone did. No one. And whom of the three guilty parties is willing to abase themselves to admit their guilt? I thought not. Those who are unabashedly guilty need never admit their sins.

I really don't understand how the Palestinians will ask for implementation of the Goldstone report where Hamas is also accused of war crimes. I think it is funny that people like Khalid Meshal are pushing Abbas to bring this to the UN when he is even more guilty of war crimes than anything that Israel is accused of. Let's face it, Meshal and the leadership planned, and implemented crimes against humanity, while at most, Israeli soldiers are guilty of breaking laws of war. Secondly what is this nonsense about condemning the archeological digging in around the holiest site for Jews. What sheer arrogance of a shadow nationality denying Jews the right to examine their own history. Absolute vile behaviour.

Would the UN recommend sanction against Israel?

... dozens of wheelbarrows of rocks in the mosque, obviously placed weeks in advance?

Why should the UN censure Israel over the Temple Mount? Just who has instigated the rock throwing against tourists based on conspiracy theories about radical settlers? It was PA propaganda, not Israeli action. Just because Abbas is a weak and irrelevant leader doesn't give him the right to criticize Israel by trying to appease Hamas terrorists. This nonsense has got to stop. Double standards imposed on Israel are morally inappropriate. Time to cut off dialog with Fatah and their goons.

What has Israel done to deserve censure over the Temple Mount? Has it thrown the Muslims out and leveled their edifices? No. It has allowed Muslims to control the Mount and has protected them from Jewish extremists. The PA is totally out of line in that accusation.

...it just keeps going and going...