PA: Advance peace talks or we'll take Goldstone report to court

Ha...thats rich... There is by now a significant body of literature , almost daily, with specific and poignant criticisms of the goldstone report Talkback has already posted numerous messages about it, Cipora posted several excellent points yesterday regarding it....If frank does not wantto waste any time on you, then he is wiser than myself

an ignorant antisemite with nothing better to do than preach blind hatred all day each day on a jewish website no less....by the way do you own or drive a massive truck too to overcompensate?, beat up a lot as a child?, not loved enough by your parents?...curious

We have seen this week the hatred-driven violence, then followed by the typicl and complete lack of responsibility for ones actions then concluded with blaming the other side for it all No week with the pals would be complete without a little extortion/blackmail thrown into the mix ...with a document of ill repute no less

'the 21st century continues the carnage by large untouchable powers !' says V hardman. Not remotely on the scale of the 20th Century so far, thank goodness. But as a die-hard Israel-firster, you need to appreciate two important changes. One, there is a new world order, where a lot of the things that Israel does - occupation, settlement, collective military punishment of civilians, extra-judicial killings, etc - will only fly in one direction, straight to the Hague or, who knows one day quite soon, to concerted punitive action by the UN. Two, Israel is not 'a large untouchable power'. It is about the size and economic weight of Serbia, whose political and military leaders you may recall had the pleasure of visiting the Hague for similar indiscretions. The only broken phonograph in town is Israel going on with the same old dodgy actions, made-up justifications and clumsy propaganda that a child can see though.

BS News, you really are one, if you believe that land for peace is a good solution. Real Cherokees and Seminoles know what that means.

You seem not to be able to substantiate your claim about Goldstone. With bibi, there doesnt have to be any substantiation. He simply is a gasbag.

If you want to get Mr. Abbas you have to give. If Palestinians can't accept that Israel is a country with a Jewish majority then the rest is just hot air anyways. It's a dead end.

...what is truly ironic is that the international laws passed after WWII were largely due to the horrible atrocities done to Jews and millions of others. You have never been bright enough, after all this time, to actually verify your claims. That is why you continually look like an ignorant fool, day after day, you never learn, you never grow, you keep spouting the same disproved lies over and over. How you believe that is helping Israel I will never know...

labarse it may have missed your sober moments but no party is ever obliged to attend kangaroo proceedings ! strangely the world is awash with human rights transgressors but only israel out of 100 actual transgressors gets the benefit of such travesties of law and justice !

ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?.

Abbas and the PA threatning the only people that recognize them as the Palestinians representatives,(which they are not). One poster called Abbas spineless.Well,he is also brainless.He cannot even see that the reason he still survives is only as a counter for Hamas,and not because his competentce. Maybe his gamble would be to go to court and hope by that to get rid of Hamas's leaders(war crimes).But he will never have the support of the Palestinians.To many skeleton in the closet.

The PA accuses some countries for pressing Abbas to withdraw the motion. The PA will accuse Israel if there is no advance in peace talks(what peace talks?). The PA is accused by Hamas for"whitewashing Israel's crimes". Hamas is accused by Goldstone report for war crimes. Goldstone is accused for being biased. "Guilt has very quick ears to an accusation".

to not refer The Goldstone Report for further perusal. For fear that it may derail the peace process. Then it makes perfect sense for Abbas to make it prefectly clear that if the peace process does not move forward then he will refer the Goldstone Report to the UNSC. Israel won't like it of course, but it is certainly not blackmail.

It is typical for the Palestinians. Terror,lies,and now they try extortion. I would say,take Goldstone report to court,and you will end up in court.Remeber Hamas is also in the report.Do it and even Obama will drop you.He is the reason you didn't take it to court in the first place.

you declined. Ergo you are guilty by your refusal to show cause. That is the way it works in the real world. But who said the zio world exists on the inner side of reality.

as usual, abbas is attempting to further his cause through blackmail, rather than engaging in diplomacy. however, the arabs, as usual, have been caught in their own ill laid trap. the goldstone report is undoubtedly an irritant to israel. should it be allowed to be adopted by the security council, it will become a huge embarrassment to most member states. that is the reason for objections by china, the us and the uk. it would also become a very ill conceived legal precedent which would haunt the international community for all future reference.

the 20th centuries wars were responsible for at least 100-200 million civillian casualties ! many involved the usa !! the 21st century continues the carnage by large untouchable powers ! rc is like a stuck needle in an old phonograph !!

In the light of how superficial the report is, only a proper indepth investigation can really put it behind us.

IF the PA had been Israelis, the PA would have bombed the private houses of Israelis leaders and what's living inside...long ago. I encourage this move by the PA. I personally would love to see blindfolded and handcuffs wearing Israeli warmongers like Nethanyahu and Barak flown, the middle of the night accompanied by Dutch special forces, to the Hague. So please proceed PA!

or refugee status? De facto yep Joe Sittizen. There is only a before the UN and an after the UN. Anything prior to 1948 is now established history and status quo, anything since is live and legal. (They made an exception for WW2 Nazi war criminals). Ancient history about what happened to the Red Indians or Aborigines has no more international legal relevance (civil and humanitarian relevance, yes) today than what the Mongols did in Hungary or Cortes in South America. The world started with a clean slate in 1948 and a determination to prevent future occupation by force, genocide, war crimes, colonial repression, etc. That is why there are UN troops in Sierra Leone, Lebanon, Darfur, Afghanistan etc. It is also why there are so many UN resolutions involving Israel, which seems to have serious learning difficulties about what is and isn't permitted in the modern age..

This preposterous Goldstone Report has at least flushed out Mahmoud Abbas.Even governments of Arab countries want Israel-PA peace talks without preconditions.It's Abbas who refuses. We can say without fear of contradiction that Israel now has no peace partner amongst the Palestinian Arabs. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

Going to court will be a option that will allow a complete investigating of all allegations - all the names and associations of those who died. All incitidents in the report that have been proven false - will be reexamined. It actually will be a wonderful opportunity to show the world the truth. There is very liitle to be afraid to here. The PA should do so if it pleases and stop whinning.

President Abbas have had to present the report to the UN. He does not do it because --as he said-- received very hard pressure. But, instead of that they prefer to use that document like an element of pressure during the peace talks. This is not good at all, the Goldstone document is a precious report in order to review the basis ethic rulers of both country and to preserve in that way the peace process. Peace process is not just a slogan, if both part do not review their possitions, the peace is nothing, it is just a way to loose time and lifes,.

All this talk about investigations and allegations of war crimes for occupiers who wreak havoc on the aboriginies... How does BBSNews deal with the fact that he is a foreign settler who lives in occupied native American territory? Is there a statute of limitations on occupation or refugee status? Certainly, we Jews know that we are not "occupiers" or "settlers", but refugees from the Holy Land who have returned home. BBSNews cannot make that same claim, as most Americans these days are occupiers who are squatting on native American land. Isn't that a war crime too?

... to stop the terribly biassed report as it could lead only to collision, never to concilliation. Meaning that peace negotiations would be totally compromised, which is not in America's interest. In fact, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador described the UNHRC mandate as "unbalanced, one sided and basically unacceptable". Which can't be said of your: "...counter-offer Bibi`s extortion with the cold hard reality of Judge Richard Goldstone`s balanced and extremely detailed report." It is therefore hard to understand your preferences. Are you against the US government? And for?

You 'think there is nothing wrong with collective punishment and believe it's a fair form of response'? You better get off to the UN and try to get the Geneva Accords changed then, because it's currently a war crime to collectively punish civilians. If you succeeded, the Hutus and Tutsis and countless others could resume their massacres of each other with legal impunity, so one could argue that it is not a very wise move. Collective punishment, via the deliberate targeting of civilians, is not only immoral and illegal, it is also stupid. All it does is sow anger and create a wave of new insurgent recruits seeking revenge. Soldiers fight soldiers and insurgents Doron, not civilians, women and children. Things have moved on from Medieval times.

Read it for yourselves, directly from the report: "From the facts available, the Mission finds that the rocket and mortars attacks, launched by Palestinian armed groups in Gaza, have caused terror in the affected communities of southern Israel and in Israel as a whole. Furthermore, it is the Mission?s view that the mortars and rockets are uncontrolled and uncontrollable, respectively. This indicates the commission of an indiscriminate attack on the civilian population of southern Israel, a war crime, and may amount to crimes against humanity." Abbas thinks he can stick the war crimes trials only on Hamas leaders, but he'll end up being put on trial himself for the Fatah policy of attacking Israeli civilians. Maybe this will be a watershed - if all the Palestinian leaders are on trial for war crimes, will a new leadership emerge that really does embrace peace? I doubt it...

It's been ripped to shreds here http://talknic.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/netanyahus-speech-at-the-un-general-assembly-24th-september-2009-full-text/

Abbas is done as leader of the Palestinian people. He has been revealed for the back stabbing traitor that he is. The Israelis have a video tape of Abbas urging Barak to fight on in Gaza, it was his hope that Hamas would be crushed so that the PA might take over the leadership there. In another taping, this one audio we have one of Abbass~croonies talking on the phone with an Israeli Military higher up,during the coversation the croonie tells the Israeli that, " they don`t care how many Gazans die, they voted for Hamas, why should we care ", this man spoke for Abbas. Game over. Now we know why Abbas dropped the U.N. report.

Abbas is denigrating the children and the peace process. The Goldstone report should rise or fall on its on merits.

I don't know anyone who takes Abbas seriously. He is largely perceived as a spineless coward who is prepared to bend at the slightest of pressure. He is very much a puppet who is easily manipulated by Israel, the US, the EU and the so called moderate Arabs like Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. He himself has admitted as much. What is astonishing though that he is still sitting in his office in Ramallah pretending to be 'a president' when in fact his term has expired over a year ago. He should do the decent thing and quit but before that he should go on TV and apologize to the people who he very badly let down.

Blackmail or peace talks? Would you trust this guy?

It sure is tough trying to be a leader of a people in disarray, who think they want a State and state they want a State, yet serially act like they prefer statelessness!

Abbas has lost his credibility and is no longer a partner to any peace deal. Israel is now left with Hamas, which has more credibility on the Palestinian street. (Thanks Olivia)

What makes you think any country fighting terrorists,who hide & fire amongst civillians without uniforms,is going to allow this slanted report to establish a precedent absolving jihadists of responsibilty for the casualties that arise from their lack of honor. It only needs one of many Security Council members fighting in Afghanistan to send the Goldstone report to the bin where it belongs. Do you think the Russians want the Muslim massacre of school children in Beslan turned upside down?

The Pal cause has had the greatest boost in years... Goldstone is the most-talked-about-man-in-town... Hiring a PR expert could not have been more effective...

Maybe hell be deputy prime minister in the new state? Hes sure not helpful in his current role.

...I wonder when you will get one fact right.

What they said:"Israel better soften its stance" What they mean:"If the Zionists don't start giving us everything we want, we will go to the Islamist UN, draw together Qadaffi (known for murdering 270 civilians on a commercial jet), Ahamdinejad (known for murdering hundreds of democracy seekers and every Gay in Iran), and Assad (known for providing thousands of fighters to kill US soldiers in Iraq), and show the Zio-Jews we mean business!"

In an August interview with South Africa?s Business Day, Goldstone admitted that ?If it had been a judicial inquiry, that letter [Chinkin] signed would have been a ground for disqualification.? http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14752 On the other hand the world court track record of allowing a judge who said Israel was guilty guilty PRIOR to the court hearing is established. Some justice!

What chutzpah--the Palestinians try to haggle a rug they've already sold--they moved the Goldstone Report to the UN Security Council through Libya. Why any Israeli leader would choose to "negotiate" with an embezzling crony-hood that regularly employs attempted intimidation, threats of force, actual force, intifada and routine attempts to stigmatize and criminalize Israeli state policy internationally is a wonder. How about a counter offer: Abbas, put it back in the box or face expulsion.

Goldstone's report faulcy accusing Israel of war crime is nothing but BS - Listen to Bibi's speech at the UN and learn the truth.

...late, but he found them. Or was it all an elaborate ruse? A masterful stroke that allowed the US to take its "special relationship" with Israel out for a public ride at the seeming expense of Abbas, but the call was simply asking him to chill for a few days and counter-offer Bibi's extortion with the cold hard reality of Judge Richard Goldstone's balanced and extremely detailed report. I sense the hand of someone who has thoroughly thought this out and who has thought this type of action would play out over years, and not reacting to the crisis of the minute that Israeli local media is driven to for every "security" related happening. I find the Obama administration fascinating for what it is getting done under the radar, laying groundwork just like a farmer or a civil activist would.

win, win situation for Hamas (which remains a designated terrorist organization) in Gaza and the West Bank. Another setback to the peace negotiations momentum President Abbas reached with PM Olmert. President Abbas is correct to assert to advance peace talks to that which were made with Olmert's administration. We all know that if Hamas accepted the 3 conditions by the Quartet and President Abbas, none of this would have happened - no war in Gaza, nor allegations of war crimes. When diplomacy is rejected point blank, the alternatives are usually not better.

If a report was ever written and deemed worthless its this Goldstone Report. Israel should tell Abbas to gop screw himself

And then NATO and U.S Army will get charged for killing civilians. Im sorry, there is nothing wrong with collective punishment, I believe its a fair form of response. Collective voting of politicians is fine, but taking collective responsibility is wrong?

You might have been able to threaten olmert this way, but netanyahu will echo bush... bring it on. Netanyahu needs to give a real threat back to the PALs. Abbas claims to speak on behalf of PALs in gaza and WB. Well if the PALs in gaza attack israel, israel has the right to respond against all PALs even those in the WB. Do they really want to be held responsible for the PALs in gaza.