Obama told China: I can't stop Israel strike on Iran indefinitely
Israeli officials: Beijing refused Saudi-U.S. initiative designed to end Chinese dependence on Iranian oil.
By Natasha Mozgovaya and Barak Ravid Tags: Barack Obama Iran nuclear Israel newsU.S. President Barack Obama has warned his Chinese counterpart that the United States would not be able to keep Israel from attacking Iranian nuclear installations for much longer, senior officials in Jerusalem told Haaretz.
They said Obama warned President Hu Jintao during the American's visit to Beijing a month ago as part of the U.S. attempt to convince the Chinese to support strict sanctions on Tehran if it does not accept Western proposals for its nuclear program.
The Israeli officials, who asked to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the matter, said the United States had informed Israel on Obama's meetings in Beijing on Iran. They said Obama made it clear to Hu that at some point the United States would no longer be able to prevent Israel from acting as it saw fit in response to the perceived Iranian threat.
After the Beijing summit, the U.S. administration thought the Chinese had understood the message; Beijing agreed to join the condemnation of Iran by the International Atomic Energy Agency only a week after Obama's visit. But in the past two weeks the Chinese have maintained their hard stance regarding the West's wishes to impose sanctions on the Islamic Republic.
The Israeli officials say the Americans now understand that the Chinese agreed to join the condemnation announcement only because Obama made a personal request to Hu, not as part of a policy change.
The Chinese have even refused a Saudi-American initiative designed to end Chinese dependence on Iranian oil, which would allow China to agree to the sanctions, said the Israeli officials.
Saudi Arabia, which is also very worried about the Iranian nuclear program and keen to advance international steps against Iran, offered to supply the Chinese the same quantity of oil the Iranians now provide, and at much cheaper prices. But China rejected the deal.
Since Obama's visit, the Chinese have refused to join any measures to impose sanctions. The Israeli officials say the Chinese have been giving unclear answers and have not been responding to the claims by Western nations. Beijing has been making do with statements such as "the time has not yet arrived for sanctions."
China's actions are particularly problematic because China will take over the presidency of the UN Security Council in January. Western diplomats say China would have no choice but to join in sanctions if Russia agrees to support them, but China could delay discussions and postpone any decision until February, when France becomes council president.
The Israeli officials say Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is showing a greater willingness for sanctions on Iran, despite hesitations by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.
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Obama with the Chinese premier. |
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....."I can't stop Israel from endangering the lives of US soldiers serving in the M.E. indefinitely". Uh....you better. Americans come first.
WE"RE ALL GONNA DEEP FRY IN LESS THAN A WEEK
Rey - understand, no president can stand up to Israel, Israel controls the US, has for years, probably since 1913 when its financiers created the private Federal Reserve System. It was set up to control our money and ultimately create Israel. WWI and II were part of that plan. So it doesn't matter who you vote for, they'll all behave the same, or they'll be assassinated (JFK). It's a very sorry state this world is in now because of these evil men. This must be exposed so we can stop these wars and economic fiascos. "I've never seen a president --I don't care who he is-- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what's going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on." --Admiral Thomas Moorer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
especially since reaching out to iran has brough nothing but frustrations and dead ends at every turn. Obama is finally getting it, wheter he wants to or not, because the realisation of trying to negotiate for not only their betterment but also that of the whole world with idiots takes a toll on a man.
I supported Obama for President but it is unlikely I will again. He is showing no spine at all. He now is just totally giving in to the Israeli lobby and all this nonsense about the "Iranian threat". The only threats I have heard are from the U.S. and Israel and unlike most Americans I have been listening. Iran has not threatened to attack anyone or attack anyone. An attack on Iran will be even dumber than G. B.'s attack on Iraq and will start a cataclysm in the Middle East. It will also totally justify any subsequent weapons of mass destruction that Iran can come up with. This is all insane. It is a shame but I think we can all agree that Iran would be safer if they tested a nuclear weapon tomorrow. I for one hope the Iranians hold out for a nuclear free Middle East.
ISRAEL DOESANT NEED THE GREEN LIGHT FROM OBAMA.
anachronism these days. China has more than enough long range missiles loaded with High explosives to wipe out Israel and have enough left over to keep the US quietly sitting at home. If Iran is attacked, No one on the earth will be getting any oil since almost HALF the oil the world uses comes from the gulf. If you have never heard of Peak Oil, maybe you should study up a little - If Iran is wiped out, there would not be enough oil for the entire world and the entire world's economy will be wiped out and the world will want revenge on the group that caused that "slight" problem - that would be Israel. Once Peak oil is prematurely created by Israel China will pull out all the stops to grab all the oil for itself (none for Israel).
It's hard to believe that so many individuals who've responded to this article state that Iran hasn't threatened Israel. For the past two years, or so, its nut-case leader has stated that he's willing to sacrifice half the population of Iran, as long as it leads to the destruction of Israel.
they can think for themselves Iran has been promising to wipe out Israel for several years, surely you have a record of when Achmadinejad made the threats, one appeared in Der Spiegel If not, just ask, I'll forward some of the links to his threats One think you fail to understand, the Iranian's are killing each other in the streets, and they're fellow countryment You may have noted that Iran is not only threatening to wipe out Israel, she has also said her rockets were capable of reaching Southeast Europe, and those aren't rockets capable of carrying passengers
The Iranian guidance systems better be good because a long range shot from Iran just hitting near a border with Israel will probably kill as many Arabs as Jews. Have you bozos ever seen the size of Israel. It's really small. But then again you bozos don't care in the least if it Arabs or Jews that die...as long as Jews die, the Arabs are a bonus.
He cannot stop Israel a sovereign independent country. Same thing for any type of builtfreeze this will not happen.why should he? he benefits from Israel's tech.& meds and agricolt even security tips, etc.Obamasneeds Israel more than you think.
Of course you can stop Israel INDEFINITELY. Threatening to cut military and MASSIVE annual financial aid. That's all there is to it.
by behaving responsibly and respecting international law. How problematic.
is that he cannot even be consistent. it is okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons, but not for other countries, as the USA sees fit. That's the kind of double standards the USA has. Israel will attack Iran ONLY because it has the support of the United States, even when it does not have its support, because Israel knows full well it can get away with it.
That is precisely why Israel has hesitated-it's attempting not to offend its American masters. It has foolishly outsourced its security concerns to an inexperienced American President and his isolationist cadres. Israel has admitted it could have derailed to a degree, Iran's nuclear ambitions by takingout the plants near Isfahan but hesitated. He who hesitates loses !
China will not attack Israel. Its a matter of geography and ability. China is too far away and does not have a blue water navy. China's real military advantage is manpower. What would be the purpose after the fact? An oil cutoff will be temporary even if Iran is totally wiped out. Syria and Iran should be afraid as Israel will have to unleash a real attack if it hopes to win and not some half measures like it does against the terrorists. Russia on the other hand has the means and motives to be drawn into such a conflict if it arises. This will be a worldwide conflict with unforeseen outcomes but I doubt China does anything but sit it out and wait for the dust to settle. Then it will move to take advantage of whatever the new landscape looks like. The US, Europe and Russia would like to be as lucky but probably will fare far worse.
Sure you can. Stop all aid to Israel and provide Iran with a state of the art SAM system. That'll stop Israel indefinitely.
... with this coalition it's possible...
"If war should take place, you can say bye bye to oil from the Middle East Your cars will be converted to pushmobiles, since you`ll have no gas to fill the tanks" Just think! When all the gas finally runs out, armies will be confined to foot soldiers hitting the dusty trail as those caissons go rolling along! Away with global warming! Up with a Green economy and horse power! But lets not forget that making war has always been a great way to improve a failing economy, and victory an overwhelmingly popular substitute for peace. After all, it rebuilt Germany after the First World War did her in.
Because the Chinese was testing the technology required to shoot down Stealth Aircraft, and giving the information to the Serbs. We have long memories to
Yeah. I remember Pearl Harbor. I also remember Poland 2 Sept 1939, the 6-Day War, the Tet Offensive. and the Falkland Islands. Sneaks who are serious about making war don't tell you about it in advance. They just do it! So what are we to think about Israeli politicians who threaten war on Iran, or Iran who threatens to defend herself against Israeli threatened attacks? Maybe what the Middle East needs is a few more sneaks so we can get this whole thing settled. Or a universal law requiring politicians' tongues to be excised before they take office. Then they will be confined to written language which can be held against them. At any rate, I don't think much of grabniks or political leaders who say: "Your land is our land" or "our armed forces are here to protect you". Crap! And Cold War II goes on, and on, and on......
Some things to think about ... China is *NOT* afraid of the US and will attack Israel with no worries if it decides to do so ... China has more than enough missiles with High Explosives to wipe out Israel (why put radiation in the air when HE will do just fine) ... The US pledge to defend Israel is meaningless especially when Americans would have to die for Israel - Americans will *NOT* die for Israel nor will they even let their lifestyles be impacted too much ... If Israel causes the price of oil to increase to the point that Americans are inconvenienced, they will gladly throw Israel under the bus ... The bottom line is war with Iran will be devastating for Israel. The best option now is just learn to live with a nuclear Iran, anything else is suicidal for Israel.
It is a stupid lie. Israel won't do that unless it is totally crazy.
Turkey is a strategic ally to lose their support would be detrimental to sustaining any popular regional backlash. Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arabs would have to openly support the move which would require US involvement, with Israel sidelined. Since this is obviously a fight between Iran and Israel, that would be difficult to imagine without a dramatic shift in Arab Israeli relations. US will try to say Israel has its free will in this matter after sanctions fail hoping to salvage relations with Muslim strategic partners that are also economic neighbors to Iran, namely Turkey. This all would be a lot simpler if Saudi Arabia were a strategic partner with Israel and solved the Palestinian issue. This would isolate Iran's projection of egotistical self-righteousness and loose the sympathy of a popular anti-Israel movement.
China will not attack Israel. Israel is an ally of the US and the US has pledged to defend Israel. In addition, the only way China could attack Israel would be by submarine or ICBM. China would find a more subtle way to get what it wanted. This Obama's attempt at giving the Chinese some face by allowing them to be a player in global power politics.
Americans have orders to intercept any stupid attempt by Israel to reach Iran by Air or sea.
It certainly would take the pressure off the U.S. from ever seriously considering it.
You can say bye bye to oil from the Middle East Your cars will be converted to pushmobiles, since you'll have no gas to fill the tanks
That she has rockets capable of reaching Southeast Europe, which would include U.S. bases and all points inbetween, including the Gulf region, Saudi Arabia and Iraq If Iran should attack U.S. interests, listen for the sound of B-52's buzzing overheard
he's buying a gun and intends to use it on you, you would darn stupid to pretend he didn't say, since he expressed a direct threat to your life and well being Remember Pearl Harbor?
Ravid, whether you like him or not, has a job Now, the question is, who is paying you??
The Chinese have long memories.
residents: Diplomacy rarely if ever solves deep rifts between nations. Study history for your clues . Diplomacy , in this case, has run far and near, and we are no closer to any rapprochement between Iran and Israel. They are mortal enemies of each other and Israel will come out on top.
Israel and the US will probably knock out any Iranian chance for a meaningful Iranian retaliatory strike IF it comes to escalated stage in this conflict. The US will not allow Israel to absorb any strike from any nation, even though Israel can certainly take care of itself. A lot of Iran's talk about its military capabilities amounts to just bluffing while it secretly gets stronger everday.
Why can't Obama stop Israel strike? Because he wants Israel to do America's dirty work. At the same time, Obama is the most anti Israel President in recent history.
Congratulations to Richard. Of course the U.S. could stop an Israeli attack on Iran if it wanted to, i.e., if the U.S. controlled its own affairs. Israel has to fly over Iraq, and they can do so only if the U.S. colludes with them. Zbigniev (sorry about sp) was right. U.S. should shoot down any Israeli planes that try to overfly Iraq. But since Tel Aviv obviously trumps Washington, this will not happen. U.S. will sit on its cowardly fat behind and eat crow and whatever offal and excrement it is told to eat.
Play the ball not the player! Israel cannot bomb Iran, it would have if it could. Iran has learnt from israel's boming of Iraq and has disperesed it facilities. Israel cannot attack on its own withou american weapons and assistance. That will make America an accomplice and a legitimate target of Iran. Iran has to only boost weapons to Iraq and Afghanistan and hit American land troops. American cannot launch a ground attack on Iran. It will need billions of dollars for that and it is alerady deep in debt. Attacking iran will send oil prices up and worsen the recession. Plenty of reasons why Israel cannot attack Iran.
Why am I a liar? Because I don't want death and destruction of my people?
Israel has the capability to do the job needed in Iran,not only by military means, but also using the thousands and thousands of Iranians who hate their regime.
Obama's feigned inability to control Israel's military posture rings as phoney as Pilate's attempt to divorce himself from responsibility for the crucifixion on his watch.
Redirect your criticism to the state of Israel. It is they who threatens to attack.
Iran has never attacked another country and it never will. Those who are dreaming about the demise of Iran will take this wish to their graves.
sure it makes the u.s responsible, and you personnally as well,get a life, and stop self bashing and self hatred ,citizens of the U.S.A
of ill-advised, reckless and counter-productive direct military attack on Iran by Israel. That's why even GW opposed it and put Israel on a very short leash. Obama is not going to change that policy. Responsible officials of the Israeli government have been publicly announcing the same policy. They are just saying the military attack option is "on the table", that's all. The media on the other hand is saturated by endless leaks and empty saber rattling on all sides. But then that's what they do. Readers beware, my friend.
Jon, I think your response is valid, but your tone is highly offensive to us Iranians who are peace loving humans ("persian liar"). Majority of my people are open minded and have absolutely nothing against the Jews. However, our illegitimate government may have made a few stupid threats, but they will never follow through with it. Right now, Israel has threatened to attack far more than the reverse. So Iran pretty much now needs to develop a nuclear weapon to defend herself from an Israeli Holocaust. And as for your "anti-semetic" claims that we Iranians are, I am not anti-semetic. I have many great Jewish friends, and I find Judaism facinating and love to learn about it, but I am absolutely 100% against the state of Israel and I personally consider it a rogue terrorist state. That does NOT make me anti-semetic.
The US should stop financing Israel, let them pay their way. Most Americans feel this way.
Now he is a fortune cookie.
Every American electronics 'black' box in advanced fighter jets sold to Israel (and Saudi) has a radio controlled 'kill switch'. Israel can do nothing without American approval,and this is all rhetoric for public consumption to push the blame on to the Jews for what can only be an American action. that's why the Israeli's have lobbied to put their own electronics in the fighter jets and America refuses. The combination of software and hardware makes it impossible to remove individual components, and they are subject to regular inspection. Just as Iraque radar went down through a software 'bug' not stealth fighters, so, too, all other top secret American military hardware.
Jon, I don't think she's got it wrong, even though I understand your (and my own ) concerns. An attack on Iran will galvinize the Iranians. In many respects I think the Mullahs and their dog Ahmadinejad are beckoning it on. If there is no War, Nature will hopefully take its course and the people of Iran will overthrow this Repressive Fanatical regime. If Israel on the hand attacks Iran, a mighty War will ensue, millions will die. That's the dilemna.We're all in big trouble.
You beckon death upon thousands of innocent Iranians. That you detest Jews, we already know. Do you despise yourself that much?
"Someone is manipulating the news for propaganda purposes." My word! Such an astute observation! However, "The Daily Leak" sounds like the name of a newspaper.
"All the Israeli scaremongering and provocation against Iran has one purpose and that is to get a war started with Iran and the US ... It is about dominance and maintaining the staus quo and especially the occupation." In Israel dominance and the occupation ARE the status quo. In America the status quo is $$$. And the committee that distributes it is the Congress. We all hope that they are not fools enough to fall for Israel's con job; but these days I have my doubts about that.
"Nobody bothers to really ponder the repercussions of an israeli attack. Nobody realizes that there is a day after. Nobody realizes there will be no winners and all losers." - Persian Kitty Most of all they don't realize that without the ability to conquer and occupy Iran an attack by Israel will lead to the development of nuclear weapons by Iran. The matter is still open. Iran did NOT turn it's first critical mass worth of separated U-235 into 80% or greater Weapons Grade material, it has ONLY refined it to less than 4% reactor fuel grade. Thus one thing we KNOW is that Iran does not have development of a bomb as it's primary goal - if it is even a goal at all. Yet the psycho-right wants to strike at Iran which will probably result in the centrifuge cascades being reconfigured to produce weapons grade material as well as causing Iran to boot the IAEA cutting off our ability to monitor closely what is happening inside it's plants.
"Will some expert tell me: Would that give Iran the right to attack US interests, in addition to attacking Israel?" Why not? The allies struck at Nazi factories and supply lines in WWII, and not just in Germany (compare Ploesti). They call it strategic bombing, as opposed to tactical bombing. And the USA does supply Israel with its killing machines, etc, does it not? But be advised: no one has a "right" to attack anyone. War is that situation in which nations get tired of barking and snarling at each other, throw aside all civility, and resort to animal behavior, with complete disregard for anyone's "rights.". P.S. I am no expert. just a guy who remembers ....
Israel the bad cop. Obama should be careful, after all, that's no way to treat your banker.
Of all nations possessing nuclear weapons, China has been most prudent and rational in it's expenditures. China is again the Middle Kingdom and all of Asia is beginning to treat it as the dominant power in the region, displacing the USA. How long the Communist in name only government will continue to show such prudent governance remains to be seen. But it has viewed the USA as a loose cannon for the last decade and is very concerned with the financial weakness of the USA and China's dependence upon it's US market. The USA stopped Israel from selling the Palcon AESA AWACs system to China, but allowed it's sale to India - which China protested. How China is responding to Barak Obama's confessed inability to curb his dog is easily imagined. . . . Especially after he had gotten a commitment from China to not block sanctions. He has effectively told China that though he was able to get their cooperation, he cannot deliver what was promised in return. . .
Both Russia and Japan actually support Iran's getting nuclear weapons, in order to "increase" threat to the West. Neither will do anything to stop this. The only solution is and has been a military one against Iran. Appeasement can bring about a 3rd WW.
What would the US get of an israeli strike on Iran?? A very complicated and unstable ME . How does this serve the interest of the United States????So why would the US agree to Israeli deadly adventurism.
persian kitty, you have it all backwards...seems your logic is uh, somewhat flawed...your words..."ANd in the midst of all this hysteria somehow logic lost its place. Nobody bothers to really ponder the repercussions of an israeli attack" wrong persian liar, in reality, it's that nobody bothers to contemplate the real repercussions of iran going nuclear...THAT is the real discussion, not israel seeking to defend herself from some nutjob who openly wants to wipe another country off the global map, who openly denies the holocaust, who openly supports terorrists around the world, who openly tortures and kills and imprisons it's OWN citizens..but all you want to do is point a crooked anti semitic finger at israel..oh well, we've all seen 'you' before..
Dear, Your responce is a total crap, you're short in mind. Iran has huge reserves in oil and gas reserves, the western powers are doing every thing to get access to it and the oil loby in the US will try to fix any reason to invade Iran and put a pupet regime in place which they can manipulate as they wish just like saudi and the gulf states you moron. I would say. erdinch
China will offer only lip-service. So much for your facts.
This recent trend in propoganda has been a turn off for me. I find myself less drawn to this forum. I mean look around. They publish absurdity day after day and people don't even realize how manipulated they're being. They keep reacting o it in their oh-so-familiar emotional way. ANd in the midst of all this hysteria somehow logic lost its place. Nobody bothers to really ponder the repercussions of an israeli attack. Nobody realizes that there is a day after. Nobody realizes there will be no winners and all losers.
Your comment is reasonable. The world economy can not afford a bigger war in the ME. Better,makepeace with your neighbors and integrate your economies. The potentail of the region is very great and should flower out instead of war.
it took europe 60 years to get back here...I think they were fed up of feeling guilty for serving up their jews...game is back on..this time, they want revenge for having been made to look like what they were...complicit murdering anti semitic church based scum. and so we are back to square one, only this time the stakes are higher,(if you can imagine that) this time it's nukes...if people here want to support a vile regime like iran because it appeals to their jew hating sensibilities, then indeed we are exactly back to 1938. Only difference is, this time, israel has a nuclear arsenal that can and will be used if necessary..all you posters here who support iran blindly are shortsighted fools. Your blind jew hatred is irrational, based on lies and your daddy's alcohol breath bedtime stories..Israel is not to blame here..iran is. so is obama. so is bush, so are all the world leaders...in any case, as obama said, some wars are just...there you have it..from the nobel peace winner..
Contrary to your statement"Iran is a country under threat,", No it isn't!!! In fact Israel and the U.S. could care less about Iran except for ONE thing. They are a terrorist state. And are the key financial and weapons suppliers to terrorist groups. So the danger they are in is self inflicted. Nobody would give a rats butt about Iran if they wanted to live in peace. They don't!! All they talk about is destroying Israel. They supply the money and weapons to groups that are currently attacking Israel and threatening to destroy Israel. Actions speaker louder than words. If somebody (Iran) keeps threatening to kill you(Israel)at some point you take it seriously. You act to prevent it, it seems reasonable. Iran poses a danger to the world based on words and actions. Their self-inflicted predicament(danger)can be altered by them. First Iran creates its own problem then seeks to use it as a false excuse to gain WMD, it cannot be allowed.
I must correct you. Israel never threatened Iran before Iranian president chose the repeated threats against Israel. And it is because this policy Iran is threatened.Iran also continue to lie about their program.
Bibi:"Obama,if you don"t stop Mahmoud threatening me,I will punch him in the nose". Obama:"Mr.Wu,if you don"t agree to put Mahmoud in line,Bibi will punch him in the nose". Mr.Wu:"What?Hmmm.What I have to do with it?Bibi is your client,your problem,stop him yourself" Obama again:"I can"t do anything.He feels threatened.I won't be able to stop him" Mr.Wu:"I wash my hands". Bibi to Obama:"Did you tell him what I will do?What was his reaction?" Obama:"He doesn"t want to get involved" Bibi:"I"m leaving now to punch Mahmoud.Did you hear me,Obama?I am serious ,if you don't hold me now,I will punch him.Listen,Obama,I"m preparing myself.Now,I will count till 10.One,two,two and a half,two and 3 quarters,Obama,this is very serious.......
diego why do you think that any country will be able to wipe out israel even do israel is a small counry i want you to understand something there is an invincible hand that is moulding israel,s destiny for several times in human history the jews on many occasions have been tried to be exterminated by different powers but God almighty presevered them,i know you may not beleive that there is GOd .
only in your fantasies linthwaite.after decades of wars we are used to living here and quite like living here. as to the western threat to iran i agree they will not be a strike on that nation.nor would israel hit iran. in spite of all that we are strong and confident and we are so through HIS blessings.
"China vs Israel, with the US sitting out. Who do you think would win?" While one side toots about defending itself against the other side defending itself against the one's defense, the USA would win by sitting on the sidelines and selling weapons of war to both sides while they kill each other off. Let's you and him fight! Yeah!
Obama cant stop... wimping out rolling over giving in bending over taking it sweet looking weak sucking bad OH, but he is currently holding the Goliathic Israel by its choker chain? OBAMAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Israel alone does not have the resources for a sustained war against Iran. It is extremely doubtful that the rest of Planet Earth will aid Israel in starting another war in the Middle East in the near future, and if The Times of London is right Iran is weeks maybe months away from achieving parity with Israel. Israeli politicians knew their best bet was to get Planet Earth to attack Iran on their behalf. Which is not going to happen Planet Earth can't afford it for one. So Netanyahu's bluff has been called. Israel and Iran will live under Mutually Assured Destruction and after the fearmongering I doubt any Israelis with dual nationality will hang around. As I said it is an endgame. Where nothing happens because if anything does happen it is the beginning of the end.
US will not go to war against Iran (Irak was a big mistake) for Israel.
a camel with a dose of dysentary.
You DO NOT want to mess with China, Israel! They WILL forcefully stop you from hitting Iran....this I know as FACT.
I am very certain that Mr. President cannot attempt that to stop Israel from not doing what is very necessary now. Israel must not delay to stop the madness of the Iranian President. This is another Saddam Husien. I am very grateful the kind of Prime Minister Israel has presently who doesn't take nonsense. The Iranian President knows this too well and Israel must not delay, but must seek for full support of the US before the neceaary strike. We Jews are not save, including the US if this mad dog of Iran is not tamed and stop his public nude dance. I am a Biafran (Igbo) Jew who decided to breakeaway from Nigeria, due to marginalisation and extra judiciary killings of Igbos by Nigerian Police and armed forces. You are aware of the genocidal war Nigerian government declared against the Igbos from 1967 to 1970. We lost over 20 million people. Israel assisted, but not well pronounced. Few individuals. Since Igbos became aware of their origin, their love for Jews became very obvious
It a good deal for China now but not long term and short term could lead to 250 a barrel oil prices easily. What he said between the lines it that Israel will bomb Iran oil centers along with nuclear sites. To stop Iranian arming of Hizbullah and Hamas, Israel has to take out Iran oil money, which is just as dangerous to Israel as afew nukes right now.
Obama: Bibi, if you attempt to fly any IDF planes through Iraqi airspace I'll have them shot out of the sky. Netanyahu: But Mr President! Obama: Out. Of. The. Sky.
i red this article and found nothing important as a warning. as this report says Mr.Obama Can prevent Israel for attacking Iran. so why Israel use this as a opportunity and does not strike Iran? we in Iran are capable of defending our self. there is no need Mr.Obama concern himself for us. i want ask Israel people a question. how IDF could attack a big country with a very strong missile arsenal when it can not defend Israel form Hamas and Hezbollah rockets? so whenever you are ready attack us. you attack and Iran show reaction and the world judge who is stronger. we are waiting for that day
I didn't mean to imply Israel would lose to Iran. Quite the contrary and I should have pointed that out. Iran would however devastate Israel. They have stated that before Israels planes return from the strike thousands of missles will have already hit their targets. Incidently Israel is pretty much powerless to prevent Irans missle attack as the Arrow system is not designed to stop huge number of missles. Then of course Israel will retaliate with, in my opinion, nukes. It's all academic since Israel will not fight a real military force.
The last thing the west should try and encourage in Iran is revolution. The ideals might be good to begin with but if it doesn't work as hoped things can end up worse. The so called moderator in the Iranian elections was nothing of the sort, he said things the west liked to hear & then once he lost he could claim he was the messiah if he wanted but he would never have to prove it. Lebanons revolution didn't bring the results that everybody wanted. Afghanistan the guy the allies backed to be an elected president he was later found out to have rigged the elections. In Iraq the idea was to bring democracy instead we got chaos & voting can get you killed. Iran is to unpredictable to risk encouraging revolution is dangerous & better to stick with the enemy you know. Thats why they didn't get rid of Saddam after the 1991 Gulf War and instead chose to keep him contained. If the Kaiser hadn't been overthrown by the allies after WW1 the Nazis probably would have never come to power.
Yes Iran did do all these thing in 1979...etc and surely thats an act of war. But lets go back further to 1953. The US and Britain instigated a coup which installed the Shah (Client regime) who was a brutal dictator and has an extremely horrifying human rights record. Iranians did not forget that and you should take it into consideration.
obviously china is a superpower. however, israel has no problems with china, only with iran. nor does israel have problems with the majority sunni countries. if china would go to war on the side of iran, what i do not believe, china would be making a mistake. negotiating peace with the arabs is a different issue altogether. such negotiations will not be linked to any other issues. furthermore, there will not be lots of cash.
Iran would be commiting national suicide if they ever tried to bomb Israel as they will be the ones getting wiped out afterwards. Also Israel/West Bank/Gaza is such a small area that they will inevitably kill many Palestinians (both in Israel proper and the occupied territories) which I'm sure they dont want to do. (Ofcourse I am not saying that they should otherwise, ofcourse any bombing of civilians is immoral but i'm just saying from their perspective)
you say two things 1 the west has given china technology. 2 china is more the able to defeat the usa technologically explain yourself.
"china is more then able to defeat the usa both militarily and technologically" to borrow from mark lincoln: "testicles"
understanding of China, as a result, you make some very dangerous assumptions. Except for a relatively short period of time in the late 1800s and early 1900s, China was the master of Asia for over 5000 years. Since the so-called west (including Israel) has cheerfully given China all its technology, China has completely caught up with the west. Check out the new 350 km/h Wuhan to Guangzhou rail line or the new rail line to Tibet. Both are better than any other country in the world has. If you read "the Art of War" you will discover that China is more than capable, both militarily and technologically, of defeating the US and wiping out Israel if it so chooses. So Israel has a simple choice, suicidally attack Iran or negotiate a peace with the Muslims (giving up lots of land water and cash in the process). Israel no longer take what it wants by force. You may not like the fact you can't get your way by force, but the sooner you accept it, the better you will be.
how else can we hope,so they say,to get foreign intervention,and our own little state.to tell the truth,i support a palestinian state on the one hand,but have a large family in israel,so i'm not sure.
The central issue that Israel, US, the poodles in the West along with their donkeys in the Arab world have with Iran is that it is igniting the fire in the heart of Muslims (Shia & Sunni alike) across the whole world (and even non Muslims) to resist these forces of darkness and not to sell their souls to the devil. Nothing scares the pants of these dark evil forces more than the light of truth and justice.
Depends what you read. The London Times does report about these issues from time to time, as does Le Monde. Some people think it is important to stop Iran, while Swiss banks prefer to do business with them ending up penalized by the US for about half a billion $. Some think Iranian nukes pose a risk, while the Swiss are busy fighting minaretts. Some foreign ministers are for sanctions, while the Swiss foreitn secretary prefers to dress up in full fundamentalist outfit to visit Teheran. Gaddhafi, a declared enemy of Israel, wants to fuse it with Palestine. For the Swiss (even after the pathetic apology for having dared to trouble junior for maltreatment of employees)he has a more radical solution - let's split it up into 3-4 parts to be swallowed by the respective neighbors. Maybe he is cleverer than I thought?
No wonder China has recently had a drastic shift in it's attitude towards America. In Copenhagen, and on Iran Sanctions. It is understandable. The Middle Kingdom understands that the USA is not capable of keeping it's dependents in order.
Barak Obama has failed at almost everything because he fails to know that there must be a steel fist inside the velvet glove. He is too cowardly to squeeze Israel where it hurts. Netanyahu squeezed him, and Obama has been squeaking ever since. America has Israel's testicles in it's hands and can squeeze the money one and the arms one at the same time it ever has a President with testicles of his own. A war between Israel and Iran - even if the US isn't drawn into it - would be a disaster for the United States.
of the end" explain yourself linthwaite.end of what?and for whom? china is not equal to the middle east in its control of nukes.middle east nations would have no efficient and effective controls over nukes.the west is aware of this.that is why the united states is so afraid of iran and pakistan with nukes.
"To those who expect Israel to absorb a first strike-" - AGM-142 Popeye, eat your spinach and don't forget to Have a Nap. The ONLY nation talking about starting a war is Israel.
Today, after 25 years of cooperation, Iran, North Korea, Syria and Pakistan have 3000 ballistic missiles with a large number of launchers. Concerning weapons of mass destruction programs, Irak was the wrong target in 2003.
The daily leak is to be expected. Someone is manipulating the news for propaganda purposes.
Sadly Obama can stop Israel indefinieely and this is speech is to test the water how China will treat sanctions. China owns half the US right now & Obama wants them to continue the bail out so the last thing he intends to do is upset China especially if its only for a minor issue like Iran getting nukes. He would rather let Iran get nukes and then hope they will agree to give them up through diplomacy once they have them rather than upsetting China or his muslim friends either through US or Israeli airstrikes. Obama has turned the US into a paper tiger through his policy of appeasment.
You know something the rest of the world doesn't?
The sooner Iran has a nuclear bomb, the better. It will prevent another devastating, while utterly senseless war. From daily reading news from various countries, one has to conclude that present day Israel is the most war mongering country on the globe.
Mutually Assured Destruction. China is nuclear armed and understands the concept that they can never be used but are a detterent against anyone using theirs against them. Israel a nuclear armed country does not want to live under this concept because of the money invested in it's nuclear arsenal and the fact that it would have to increase the size of it's conventional force because this would be the only real deterrent Israel would have left. Hence unlike when Israel attacked Iraq's single all eggs in one basket nuclear weapons programme in 1981. However Iran is a different kettle of fish, and Israel can hope to delay but never hope to halt Iran from attaining parity with Israel if it chose to do so. So an Israeli military attack against Iran is tough talk by Israeli politicians for internal consumption. All hot air. Israeli politicians know an attack on Iran would be the beginning of the end game.
There was a time when the world thought that Japan had no economic ceiling...until they hit one. The world thought the EU would be further along...they're not. The world thought Russia would be more powerful economicall: they're not. China, with its unrest growing and the nature of communism, will hit a ceiling very soon, regardless of everyone's 'threat'of saying they will be the world's new economic superpower: there is nothing to indicate that they will not hit an economic ceiling and suffer from an economic collapse: they've outpaced themselves in the face of many serious issues that will lead to a backslide. Behavior such as what they're demonstrating now is disconcerting, not because it goes against the grain of the leaders of the west, but because in the end, it can lead to greater isolation once they've collapsed to their knees. The innovation it takes to lead on such a level as the US, is simply NOT available to China, based on her strict regulations and repression.
trying to give the impression that there are great moves going on behind the scenes that the Israeli people don't know about but which Netanyahu as Prime Minister is in full consultations with and they shouldn't worry. When the simple fact is China and Russia have already stated that they will veto any moves towards further sanctions against Iran. Which in turn calls Israel's bluff on attacking Iran's civilian nuclear facilities. Which of course Netanyahu had never considered he would actually have to do. Planet Earth is not Israeli centric, there are maneouvres going on in Copenhagen. This probably includes horse trading vis a vis China and Iran. Which does not bode well if Obama is not going to Copenhagen as is being reported. Face it Israel's bluff is been called,have the gas masks been delivered yet?
Obama for once is telling no more than the truth: if Israel decides it has no choice but to carry out a self-defence operation over Iran he will not be able to save the mullah's ass. Nor should he.
War is diplomacy by other means.
Because the know-how is already there, probably including the molybdenum stuff. What sets Iran apart is that they are not bad in applied research including advanced research in corrosives, heavy metal contamination, etc, so even if Israel bombs Iran's facilities succesfully (which it can), the people who can set the machine into work again will survive and try again, there is no escape from that. If Israel does bomb Iran, then as I always say huge troubles will start for Israel both at the border with Lebanon which it will have to invade again and in international arena. China and Russia will increase their pressure.
So many people and countries wish Israel to strike Iran, Some see the result in the destruction of Israel , Others , want us to do their work for them and later Blame Israel. We have been in this picture before, It takes only one Bomb to eradicate Israel and Hundreds to the the same to Iran. SOOOO, No one will do anything especially not Israel.
You stop an Israeli airstrike against Iran indefinitely, and we will sign up to a climate change agreement at Copenhagen, and give Obama a foreign policy success for his countrymen.
Whether this report is true or not, Iran is hell bent on nuke capability.. and while the West sanctions Iran to death... Iran will still have a nuke capability. So carry on talking, continue with sanctions... you know what effect they will have on Iran? Fuck all!!!
The world economy is in bad shapes and begins slowly to recouver. A greater war in the ME will worsen the economic situation worldwide and nobody knows the outcome. CJK, peace is better.
People are maxed out on Israel's aggression and war mongering in the Middle East and realize its own policies are the root cause of the conflict there. That's not stretching the truth either..... See over forty years of Israeli aggression and undermining below and and get the real deal... Of course, Palestinians and date it well before this....Dutch The Scranton Mission on behalf of Nixon (1969); Sadat's land for Peace & mutual recognition (1971); Carter's call for a Geneva Conference (1977); Saudi King Fahd's peace offer (1981); The Reagan Plan (1982);The Baker Plan (1988) ; The Baker Plan ('89) The continued Taba Negotiations (2001). The Saudi Peace plan on behalf of the Arab League (2001); The unofficial Geneva Init. (2003) The Oslo Accord (1993) And killing of Rabin (1995); 22 Arab initiative on Behalf of Syria (2201) and the 3 other Syrian Initiatives of (02 -04); the Roadmap '04 by the US & Quartet which Sharon's buddies anesthesized in formaldyhe. What atrocious evil in Israel. Dutch
If really true, why doesn't it get reported all around the world...???
terrorist iran had seized the u.s. embassy in 1979 and had held hostage u.s. embassy staff for many months. embassies are considered foreign land by treaty. hence the seizure of the u.s. embassy was a de facto act of war. iran had also attacked through its proxy hezbollah u.s. peace keeping marines in lebanon, killing hundreds. it had also attacked the u.s. embassy in lebanon causing many deaths and had through its proxy kidnapped american citizens. iran has also attacked by proxy u.s. troops in iraq and afghanistan. indeed, iran's provision of ied's to militants in iraq and afghanistan have caused many of the deaths among u.s. troops. none of these aggressions against u.s. interests and american citizens have anything to do with iran's pathological hatred of israel.
Around 15% of it. When this goes missing overnight, as it will, China will be in trouble. CF:"China has huge buckets of US dollars and lots of other wealth to buy oil long after the rest of the world is broke and starving" China will have to re-establish supply contracts at substantially higher prices. China might have a lot of money but China is still a poor country per capita. High oil prices will hurt their economy too. CF:"Not only that but, China has the military might to just take the oil from the rest of the world" Well that ranks as one of the more stupid comments I've read in a while. And you think the rest of the world will let them? What will they do with all that stolen oil if no-one is trading with them?
As long as Israel is willing to accept the consequences for its actions without expecting the US to bail it out, go for it, but do so knowing that the ensuing war will be devastating to Israel, and that even the anti Iran propaganda to date will not save you.
The Jews and Chinese are both old cultures that are similar and respect each other. Look in the states and you will see many Chinese-Jewish intermarriage and note that most Jews in the US eat Chinese food nearly daily. Anyway, Iran has less in common with China than Israel does except for oil China will not stick its neck out for Islamic extremist and nor will it go against the Jews which they regard as being clever and having powers.
Wouldn't it be better if China bombed Iran? China has it's own Islamic extremist problem in the West that Iran supports against China as it funds terrorism against Israel. I guess its wishful thinking but yes Obama can hold the leash for only so long as us Jews can get out of our collars when necessary.
Always quoting an anonymous source and I am sure it is the same one using Barak to plant his nonsense in Haaretz. The very sec. that Israel feels adventurous the Hormuz will be closed down. That isn't in US security interest so Israel will have to hold its horses forever, Chinas billion dollar deals with Iran regarding natural gas could well end up in a security deal sooner than later. Russia's need for a sweat water port open 365 days a year could well see Russia joining. With China already building naval ports in Pakistan and Russia being in "consultations" with Iran for a new home to the Black sea fleet. The US understands that any folly by Israel will cost the West more than any other theater. We live in the "Energy Age" and to strangle any shiping lanes bringing cheap oil to the West will be seen as hostile. Israel should make peace with the Muslim world and redraw behind the 1967 Green Line if indeed it wants to be safe, I think even Obama has this policy along with the world.
attacking iran might not be a great idea, but it might be the only idea left for israel. it is difficult to understand why china would want to have a nuclear armed iran. secular china should not trust the theocratic shia iran which has exported islamic revolution for the past thirty years. china's attempt to defat the u.s. through proxies such as iran might backfire. the cold war should be a lesson. the big powers should not attempt to defeat each other through proxies. also read stephen's post.
a russian journalist has recently said it was quite strong.putin however is probably too strong to be thwarted in any policy he chooses.
But I don't think the US will participate, unless and until actually attacked in retaliation or only in a defensive mode, ie, shooting down Iranian missiles. The US learned its lesson in Iraq that "defensive preemption" is bogus. Israel may still believe it, but the US won't go for it. The US problem will be shooting down Iranian missiles and containing the conflict so Pakistan and India stay neutral, even is Israel goes nuclear. I cannot see the US giving Israel strategic platforms. And once the 6th Fleet moves to the eastern Med, Iran will know the attack is coming. You cannot hide aircraft carriers or Aegis cruisers.
the israel air force one of the most powerful tactical and strategic air forces in the world is used by america to threaten its enemies. all america pays is the price of a few fighter jets every year.
The US will exit the Middle East on our own schedule, not anybody else's. You may feel free to endanger US troops and personnel. But our Presidents (plural) have an obligation to our own people first. Are you really anxious for the US to pack up and leave Israel hanging? Israel is not the only US ally in the Middle East. It is not the only obligation we have. We do not take our obligations cavalierly and we expect that our allies would not take American lives cavalierly either. Your desire for a freebie US war with Iran is not rational.
It is not a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of alliance. The US has an alliance with Israel and we would be a target of opportunity in a target rich environment. Israel's government is counting on that so that our people will be equally at risk if/when they start the war. Our people and installations are closer and lots easier to hit back at. Right now, to get to Iran, Israel would have to pass through airspace owned by or patrolled by the US or a US ally. That makes the US complicit in any action. Both Iran and Israel know this.
A War will be a great mistake.
War between the above is inevitable. The Sejil 2 surface to surface missile is a mobile, solid fuel, two stage rocket that can be fired into Israel within minutes. Unlike its predecessors that required hours or even a day or so. Israel will no doubt have a few minutes window time after said launching. Here comes the problem. Israel cannot be sure whether said missile will carry a nuclear or conventional warhead. Israel will therefore retaliate with nuclear multi entry ICBM·s. Pres.Obama, has only stated the obvious. Only Israel and Iran can decide on a mutual agreement. One cannot even envisage the outraged theocratic regime sitting at the same table with their enemy, the so called Zionist Entity. Then again, the regime in Tehran seeks a war with Israel on the basis that they are an immense country that could survive by wiping out Israel on a first strike. Obviously, they are mistaken, for there will be no second chance. At some latter date, China will buy Saudi oil. Good day.
John the American: "But a country like Iran will devastate Israel." Walt and Mearsheimer (those well known pro-Israel propagandists): "Today, Israel is the strongest military power in the Middle East...The strategic balance decidedly favors Israel, which has continued to widen the qualitative gap between its own military capability and deterrence powers and those of its neighbors" (Israel Lobby, 2007, p. 83).
You better belive US will be informed about Israeli strike if it comes to that. Not only informed, secretly but heavily involved also. When US can`t stop Israel from striking Iran, this will be at most urgent, no shred of the doubt, an absolute must. Because of how critically important this decision will be. First of, Israel will have to get the best US aerial weaponry, most importantly the ones that do at most damage to Iranian nuclear installations. If such decision will be made, there can be not a shred of ineffectiveness in that regard. Secondly, because such decision is so critical to both, US & Israel, US will have to be involved in minimazing effectiveness of Iranian counterstrike. If such preparations will be seriously underway, the main `players` will know. However, if it comes to the `no question about it` serious pass, everyone including China & Iran will get much more serious beyond the usual rethoric & political posturing. Maybe than the actual strike could be averted.
seem to understand if Israel starts this war, many people (possibly MILLIONS) in Israel will DIE. Iran and its allies are NOT going to take an attack by Israel lightly. In fact an Israeli attack on Iran could be extremely suicidal for Israel. Israel is about to pull the tiger's tail and upset a very deadly Dragon, either of which could make your life extremely miserable. So CJK, exactly why do you think that attacking Iran is such a great idea and why do you think you will not possibly end up dead? One thing you can be 100% sure of - the US will *NOT* go to war with China if China decides to destroy Israel - I guarantee that. One thing I have learned from working in China for many years - do NOT get the Chinese angry, they will make you deeply regret it.
Obama's flashing "amber light" signals at the nuclear stop sign is, in diplomatic terms, "not helpful". The disaster of an Israeli "pre-emptive strike" has not taken a hike - it's still there. Moreover, Obama's wishy-washy performance in the Middle East as a whole has not delivered one of the goods promised by his Cairo speech. Mr. Obama is racking up an "F" grade in international diplomacy, and an "F" grade in perpetuating all of the worst features of George Orwell Bush's Homeland Insecurity at home. At his heels is the "where's your US birth certivicate" movement, gaining steam. Thus far, all that has seen the light of day is Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, thanks to a Jewish activist. Perhaps that will save us???
Ahmet! Please do not write things you are not aware of. Iranian government won't survive unless there's an enemy to attack. This is an only plot to stay in power otherwise people there are sick and tired of them. War is the only way to can get people to back them. Israel has the right to be afraid. Someone is going to pay the price for them. Israel is the easiest one to pick on.
Russia will be VERY happy to see disruption of the world's oil supplies and a steep rise in price. Russia, therefore, has an interest in seeing Iranian oil shipments stop. China's interest is in seeing those shipments maintained. If Israel attacks and the oil stops flowing, Countries in the Far East will be very unhappy with it. China already has had the snub when the US prevented Israel from selling the Phalcon AWACS planes to it. These machinations against Iran might have dangerous consequences.
because if iran is attacked, many many more americans will die, why? because israel feels threatened.
if you are so terrified, get out of the middle east.
Well, there's only one way to go. Israel will have to strike China first! Lol.
if israel attacks iran first, which i know will happen, but i have this sneaky feeling there will be a lie coming up, that is, america, britain and israel will all say that iran launched a missile at israel, and that israel will now reply in kind, either way, your all screwed.
Israel has no intention of attacking Iran as that would be suicidal. Israel is quite competent in fighting against people with virtually no military. But a country like Iran will devastate Israel. Then Israel will use nukes against Iran and then China will nuke Israel. The US will NOT go to war with China over Israels destruction. This is why Israel will never attack first.
If Haaretz functions here simply as a conduit here for propaganda and lies, why would it permit you to post a critical comment about that, the critical nature of which is stated prominently right in the very title or subject line?
Presumably the US will be warned when Israel does plan its strike. That assumes that Israel will want US anti-missiles in place and our Aegis Radar systems in the eastern Med. So our half million troops and support personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the Gulf will have warning and can turn on the defensive systems. And US satellites will be on-looking, just in case we aren't warned.
is available long before you, Israel or the US gets it. China has huge buckets of US dollars and lots of other wealth to buy oil long after the rest of the world is broke and starving. Not only that but, China has the military might to just take the oil from the rest of the world. If you think that China can be intimidated by anyone, you are sadly mistaken. If Israel attacks Iran, there is the very good possibility that China might wipe out Israel itself and the US will **NOT** go to war with China over China destroying Israel.
All the Israeli scaremongering and provocation against Iran has one purpose and that is to get a war started with Iran and the US and anyone else that will help out. With Iran defanged they will be the super power in the Middle East. Then they can go on grabbing more Pali lands, bombing the crap out of anyone that throws a firecracker at them, or even threatens them. If it were only about Security surely they know the US etal. intelligence and weaponry is sufficient. It is about dominance and maintaining the staus quo and especially the occupation.
we'd love the chance to test our missiles. Or maybe they offered to look the other way if the US would do the same for their attack on Taiwan. Or they could just station a cargo ship loaded with tanks, missiles, and air defence systems off the coast, ready to unload into Gaza.
If Israel strikes Iran, it would obviously have to use US-supplied planes and bombs. Will some expert tell me: Would that give Iran the right to attack US interests, in addition to attacking Israel?
Why is Israel ALLOWING ITSELF TO BE STOPPED AT ALL AND PUTTING THE WHOLE NATION AT RISK ?
If you are concerned about the possibility of a strike on Iran, you should be the first to support diplomatic efforts to block the mullas from obtaning nuclear weapons. If all you want is to annihilate Israel, you can continue to pursue your hobby of bashing Israel. In the end, guess on which country I am going to place my bet.
with hundreds of missiles. Of course Israel will cry out "they're trying to destroy us!!!" and "it's a second holocaust!!!". As an Israeli Jew, let me go on record and say that if Israel attacks Iran first, Iran has FULL right to retaliate. No question about it! And of course Israel will cry foul and try to get world sympathy, but I will have NO sympathy for the aggressor who struck first.
not even for irresistible cheap oil . A stark contrast to Israeli willingness for surrender in return for a mohamedans style 'promise' of normal relations . Could by than a lefty Israeli reside in Mecca or Medina ?
.....that will have grave consequences for Israel as well as the entire region. Iran will never be the first to attack and Israel knows that full well. Israel simply does not want Iran to have nukes as it will put Iran in a much stronger position in the region. If Israel attacks Iran there will be be no peace for a long time, and the US will probably get dragged into this conflict. I certainly hope this report is wrong and that Obama does not give Israel the green light to engage in this foolish adventure.
The present Iranian government may not like Israel, but it's not stupid enough to nuke it. Ahmedinejad knows that if he attacks Israel, the whole world will unite against him, invade his country, depose his regime, and kill him, just like they did Hussein. A popular revolution, on the other hand, means that any random person or group who dislikes Israel (and most Iranians do hate Israel because of its constant threats of violence against them) can launch the nukes with little consequence. A stable, anti-Israeli Iran is a thousand times safer than an unstable 1960's-style puppet regime.
Iran is getting played by USA, Russia, and China for its resources, and doesnt realze it. The global empire is targeting Iran next, and Israel is the unwilling victim of the actions. Perfect
One of the reasons I keep saying that the time to confront Iran was back in 2001-2003 is because back then China's economic ties to Iran were not as deep. Unfortunately, we had Bush as President. He did not realize the Iranian threat until his second term, and then his answer was to give them the silent treatment. As if that put fear into Iranians' hearts! At least now should Israel strike, she would not stand alone. Most of the world now sees the threat of Iranian imperlialism. They are bleeding Iraq, control Lebanon and are now making a move on Yemen. We are at least six years too late for diplomacy to work.
Obama told you in pubic that Iran is your problem. Why on earth would he be so stupid to involve the Chinese? get a life. of course there is no name of the "Israeli officials"?
Why would the Chinese refuse garanteed cheaper oil from Saudia ? It doesn't make sense ...... unless Iran is biggest customer of Chinese secret ware...? Only the top officials know. Any reader here , or I, or maybe even Haaretz dont' know.
how stupid and juvinile
Probably they need another issue to show they are tough and can avoid "Western dictates". How about sanctions against Myanmar, Sudan or North Korea? The whole West would want them, China would refuse, -and send allthos western attempts to hell-, its ego would feel fine, and then they would accept a joint, discreet screw-the-mullahs stance. Time to make a lot of noise on matters that from the Western point of view, are irrelevant. Give China's ego something else to chew on, and you'll have them on board. Specially at better prices, like the Saudis propose.
Obama can't stop foreclosures on the homes of ordinary Americans. Obama can't help the unemployed. Obama can't stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama can't stop the gutting of an already worthless healthcare plan. Obama can't stop the big banks from gorging on taxpayer money. Obama certainly can't stop Israeli settlements. So, no, he can't stop an Israeli strike on Iran. More accurately, despite his carefully cultivated appearance of sincerity and concern, Obama doesn't intend to stop anything. The 2012 bumper sticker--"Vote for Disappointment!"
and that's because Iran's ruling elite, fabulously wealthy from 3 decades of grand larceny have their fortunes made - they don't care about any sanctions - come on, mainstream media, do your job, tell the truth. The whole sanctions discussion is an irrelevant bad joke.
of swampland to sell you for a penny an acre, you see, and you can sell them later and become a millionaire by next Tuesday.
Toothless zionest please strike iran I love to see our end.
At the end of the day your unqualified support for Iran will cost you dearly.
Haaretz quote "Saudi Arabia, is very worried about the Iranian nuclear program and keen to advance international steps against Iran," . Saudia knows that further sanctions against Iran will not deterr Iran from Shia imperialism and Shia Bomb . Since Iran Islamic revolution , It has been 30 years that Iran is under sanctions . Saudia also saw that only Saddam-Iraq against Iran is not enough , So may be the guardian of 'the religion of peace' in coalition with Arab Gulf States forces could deterr Iran from Shia imperialism and Shia Bomb . And by extensiom may be OIC-Arab League top priority is Iran Shia imperialism and Shia Bomb and not Hamas wich support Iran and neither Fatah who seeks strategic partnership with Iran (according to Fatah conference last August ).
First thing first, the current Iranian regime should never have a nuclear weapon. Allowing them to do so will likely start an arms race in the Middle East with Saudi Arabia and Egypt soon building their own arsenals, such an event can lead to weapons falling in the wrong hands. In addition a nuclear cover will allow Iran to continue to damage and interfere with the affairs of other states Lebanon, Yemen, and Iraq topping the list. That being said bombing Iran would be a bad idea because it would destroy any chance of a democratic revolution in Iran for another generation. The only hope is that Green Movement and the people of Iran take charge of their country, quickly do avert this train wreck. God help us all.
Well, there goes the credibility of THIS news article. I am uncertain exactly WHY Haaretz continues to employ Barak Ravid, since it appears that his one and only "skill" is acting as a shill for "senior officials in Jerusalem". Why not simply cut out the middle man and put the name of Netanyahu's chief of staff on the byline? After all, that dude writes all of Ravid's articles for him....
Obama is giving the impression that Israel is on a tight leash ready to attack if let go. Is he crazy ? Israel does not need or want to get into a physical fight with anyone...let alone the Iranians.
Being that oil is priced at world market rates, I wonder who will pay the saudis the difference for the discount they are offering the Chinese for switching their purchases from market priced Iranian oil? I have a horrible feeling the US taxpayer is going to be left with another tab to pay in the ongoing struggle Israel is having in ensuring its nuclear weapons monopoly in the middle east. Or if indeed the Saudi discounted price offered to the Chinese is the real market rate why cant we all buy it at the price? Am i missing something here?
First off the so-called informants want to remain anonymous and secondly are identified as Israelis. This is hardly a credible source but such a story will no doubt get a lot of play time in Israel. However, any rational mind would ask for proof that these things were actually said. Until then it is just chatter. "The Israeli officials, who asked to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the matter, said the United States had informed Israel on Obama's meetings in Beijing on Iran. They said Obama made it clear to Hu that at some point the United States would no longer be able to prevent Israel from acting as it saw fit in response to the perceived Iranian threat."
Israel is an outlaw rogue state, and an international laughing stock.
Stop Israel strike? Heavens no. Let Israel show us what they are capable of.
Dont all nations with military production test weapons? The French do in the Pacific? The Indians and Chinese test missiles dont they? Israel tests its weoapons and the Americans do in the desert. Iran is a country under threat, surrounded by its enemy the US and Israel constantly threatening to attack it. If their nuclear sites were attacked do you know how many thousand innocent civilians may die from the radiation? Of course they are going to test their defense capabilities. If all nations respected each others interests and werent so money and power greedy sswell as ideologically bent, all this arms racing wouldnt happen in the first place. But thats just how the world is. Iran is doing what it should do. It hasnt threatened anyone and said Israel should be wiped off the map, but not necessarily by force. If Iran attacked Israel, dont u think it would also be the end of Iran? Pakistan and India are living with each other despite nuclear weapons in their possession
to any of Israels, whoops I mean the USA's demands. Weakening a disobedient state is the West/Israel/America and NATO's sole goal. Will be interesting to see what happens next. Although I think the War Criminals in Israel might just be stupid enough to bite off more they can chew, they could barely contain Hezbollah, how are they and stretched thin USA going to handle Iran. Wow, really do not have any clear headed minds in the officers of Washington and Tel Aviv
could take over that burden for them. A cargo ship or two of tanks, missiles, and air defence systems sitting just off shore, ready to off-load in Gaza might do the trick. Or maybe China could offer a trade, it'll look the other way on the attack on Iran, but the US will have to look the other way while it attacks Taiwan. Or maybe China could use the opportunity to sell Iran some of its best missiles. Think any of that would be effective in keeping the IDF from making a move? China vs Israel, with the US sitting out. Who do you think would win?
IDF could not face hizbollah in 2006, now they wanna take on the big guy Iran! Yeh, in the media.
what is it exactly that Iran is doing that so many other nations are/have done already? all who oppose the zionist are to be put on the chopping block?
why? because no one will make money on debt and feed the criminals?
in this case israel with atomic weapons and few genocides and billions of deaths on his back of course is a terrorist. imagine the opposite. iran having 600+ nukes, terrorizing israel day by day, having US criminals behind their back. what would you do israel? if iran was that powerful? and why dont whole europe declare a war on you like you do on iran for you saying that all european capitols are targeted? do you think that i dont know that you threaten countries with you nuclear weapons?
To those who expect Israel to absorb a first strike- You?ll be disappointed.