Netanyahu: Israel will never share Jerusalem with Palestinians

Unfortunately many readers are getting emotional over a peace deal "story" which has not been acknowledged by Mr. Netanyahu.

Thats right no one can put God in a box. And in the end everything will come to pass just as he said it would. I am not talking about what God allowed to happen.

What a sad response! I wonder how may other nationalities within the US alone take handouts? Probably several. God will bless and watch out for Israel! Even if the US doesn't anymore. And I would rather have God on my side any time!!!

What is happening is just what God said would happen. Bible prophecy is happening right before our very eyes. I pray you are a believer in Jesus.

Yes! What a time to be alive and see it all coming to pass just as Jesus said it would. In Daniel, Matthew, Revelation, etc. I pray for all those that would be saved to hear His voice. I fear for all that are to proud. God Bless.

Israel is a state now. Why do they have to have permission from the Arabs to live peacefully? Why shouldn"t they be giving the Arabs permission? Jehovah bless Israel forever. If anyone needs to grant permission it is Him.

Israel claimed East Jerusalem after the majority of the middle east tried to eliminate it and wipe the jews into the sea in the six day war.. Now Israels enemies...who do not deny that they still want israel and the jews destroyed, want it back...understandably so The palestinians still forbid jews from visiting the holy of holies, and if current sentiment is maintained, jews would be banned from east jerusalem should it be returned. Palestinians/arabs currently live in east jerusalem, and accept that israel currently governs the country and east jerusalem. Arabs can build houses and settlements throughout the country...yet Israelis cannot build in the west bank without death to israel sentiment. Netanyahu wont return land because the palestinian powers will never let a jew step foot on it again...they still strive for its destruction. Israel is there to stay and until the palestinians accept that no land will be given back. Can't give in to somebody that wants you ded

the fact is that the majority of the region tried to destroy israel and wipe it into the sea a mere forty years ago in the six day war. I'm not saying the annexation of east jerusalem was legal or should be internationally recognized but come on, lets be real. If israel gives up east jerusalem, it is a tremendous sign of weakness. If the palestinians really just want to live on the land...then put down your weapons and accept the fact that Israel survived the war and you lost, So they govern the area. Arabs/palestinians still can live in east jerusalem...they just don't govern it. So much ignorance by those who don't understand that palestinians still live in east jerusalem, yet they forbid jews from visiting the holy of holies. It's painfully obvious that SOME arab/palestinians use the annexation of east jerusalem as a means of leverage to destory the jewish people/state of israel...as was their original goal and still is since its creation. if you give a mouse a cookie...

I'm always interested what a idiot like you have to say, it makes my day...:)))

since all I ever hear from them is no, no and hell no! Except, that is when it comes to accepting US foreign aid. I used to think of Israel/Jews as the underdog for all the oppression they've taken over the years. But now they're the ones handing it out. And, unfortunately for Israel the world is taking notice. In my own neighborhood we have no Jews but we used to support them 100%. Not anymore.

Ramallah is in Yesha. Therefore it should be given a Hebrew name. The "Palestinians'" capital is Amman.

You say Jerusalem was the social and cultural and political center of the "Palestinians"? When? Until Israel reclaimed Jerusalem, she was a backwater and a garbage dump! Arabs never expressed any love for her or attached any importance to her, except as a symbol of conquest of Jews.

P: "The pals have refused any compromise short of destroying Israel and they cannot." Whoah there! In 1993 the PLO **agreed** that they would base any future claims on the Green Line (which was, remember, only an arbitrary ceasefire line) and not on the 1947 Partition Plan line (which was, remember, the boundary separating the "Jewish state" from the "Arab state") That amounts to a territorial concession of MASSIVE proportions, totally dwarfing any offer ever proffered by Israel. Indeed, in the negotiations with Israel the PLO have NEVER made ANY claim on ANY territory that was allocated to the "Jewish state" by Res 181. N.E.V.E.R. But Israel certainly has demanded its pound of flesh, and then come back demanding more....

a: "If there is no agreement between the parts the `status` quo prevails." That leads to a legal loophole that Israel could - and does - drive a Merkava tank through. Consider: 1) You are an occupier. 2) You know you are constrained by "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war". 3) So instead you simply refuse to negotiate in good faith about ending the occupation. Result: there can never be an agreement, and so you will be able to keep control of this territory forever. Annexation by default. De facto conquest. Consider: If there is no prospect of breaking the "negotiation deadlock" then the next step should be a return to the "status quo ante", and not a continuation of the "status quo". Q: Why? A: Because of the legal principle "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war". A return to the "status quo ante" is consistent with that principle, while a "status quo" of never-ending occupation is not.

Israel is the only nation in the debate. The pals have refused any compromise short of destroying Israel and they cannot. While you have your own 'take' on history, don't ignore the obvious, terror is the word the pals are known for as well as their allies no one wants this trash amongst them, not even you in Tennessee, or, do you admire such a- holes? Don't you in Tennessee live in peace w/ the former land holders, the Indians? The rest of Americans do. why can't the pals no matter where they live in camps? Even their own 'brpthers' keep them in cages. Not just Israel.

Might be better if you do sell them the bridge just don't allow them to live here. Wherever they are, trouble follows w/ terror.

If you truly think that the Arab countries will let Israel live in peace and security IF they give up more land, including part of Jerusalem, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale.

"God gave the land to the jews" He also took it away from them and gave it to the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Byzantines, the Christians, the Muslims, and the British. God gives the land to whomoever He will. Even the zionists can't put God in a box and control Him. Neither can the Baptists or the Presbyterians, or even us Middle Tenneseeans.

SDHD: "Could it be those hundreds of thousands of Jews moved onto Jewish properties which were originally stolen by Jordan only 19 years earlier and are not exclusively "Palestinian" lands at all?" Let's run a ruler over that argument...... The pre-1949 Jewish popln of the West Bank was 10,000. The current figure for the number of Israeli colonists inside the West Bank is around 200,000. So, thanks to SDHD, I now have the very amusing mental picture of 200,000 Jews now trying to cram onto land that once housed 10,000. What, they all sleep standing up, do they, SDHD, or do they all stack themselves like pancakes atop Granma's Feather Bed? "We didn't get much sleep but we had alotta fun... on... Granma's Feather Bed..."

"Netanyahu is actually reported as shouting "Yeah, World, That`s Me! Me, I Tell Ya!" If this report be true, then Bibi has gone off the deep end for sure! And I thought he was just another timid, ambitious politician! "Oh, dear, oh dear."

"Let the Palestinians take Ramallah as their capital." Huh! Before 2010 is done Israel will have taken Jerusalem AND Ramallah! Another Cast Lead has been in the making for many months - only this time, 5 times worse.

He is a pontificator, and lazy with it. So he will keep banging on about "all" the Jews who were expelled from East Jerusalem, and never go to the trouble of finding out how many. Answer: 2,000 He will also shout out loud that "all" the Jews were expelled from the West Bank, and never once take the time to put a number on it. Answer: 10,000 So he will rant and he will rage, and all because out of the 700,000+ refugees from that war a whoppin' 1.7% of them were Jewish. And, of course, as you so rightly point out it doesn't make what question YOU ask, because in "rebuttal" SDHD will always erect a straw man and argue to that, and not to you.

Sam asked: "And that would be interesting to know how many jews were expelled from the WB before 67 ?" SDHD: "Do some homework." Translation: SDHD doesn't know, and doesn't want to know. The correct answer is: 10,000 SDHD: "And see about how many Jews were ethnically cleansed from East Jerusalem" The correct answer is: No more than 2,000 Jews lived in the Jewish Quarter in 1948. SDHD: "and how many synagogues were destroyed when Jordan captured the territories." Sam didn't ask that question, SDHD, any more than he asked how many Arab villages were razed to the ground by the Haganah. SDHD: "Think it was illegal for Jews to move back in after only 19 years?" All 2,000 of them? No. But what about all the others, SDHD? Because I see that the Jewish colonists in East Jersulam now numbers 200,000. They've been at it like rabbits, have they?

represented at the time and why did Israel AGREE to Jordan occupying? "It was illegal for Jordan to capture the territories.." Show us the UNSC resolution condemning it.. " and annex them in the first place, numbskull" Show us the UNSC resolution condemning it, 'numbskull' "It wasn`t illegal for Jews to reclaim their properties and move back in. Clear enough?" Clear enough that you need to conflate 'Jews' with Israeli civilians. It's even illegal for an Arab Israeli to settle in "territories occupied" by Israel m'dear.

You people who want to start history at your own chosen point in time then stop it again at your own chosen point in time, while conveniently ignoring the rest, are living in a dream world. But the worst of it is that when you use force to remake reality so that it conforms to your dream, you become a threat to the human race. And Mister Lavi, that ain't anti-semitism! That is your own doing!

"Could it be those hundreds of thousands of Jews moved onto Jewish properties which were originally stolen by Jordan only 19 years earlier" A) 'stolen' ? In the armistice AGREEMENT. Israel AGREED to Jordan occupying Judea and Samaria (WB) B) What hundreds of thousands of Jews? "Who granted you the authority to decide that the territory belongs exclusively to Arab Palestinians?" The UNSC, the UN Charter, International Law, even the Israeli Declaration of a Jewish State, all teamed together

reductio ad absurdam By all means let us restore the past to the present. Begin with the TM to Israel, then England to Normandy, Russia to the Czars, Americaan colonies to England, Mexico to the Aztecs, Peru to the Incas and Nazdaks, Israel to the Canaanites; and the Israeli people must go goes back to the sojourn in Egypt (they could always use a slave labor force in Egypt, couldn't they?). And after you have turned history upside down, we can all start over again from the beginning. Let's see...Abraham lived in Haran, and only later drifted to Canaan. Must reconstruct Sodom and Gemorrah. But what will you do about Balaam's talking ass??? Part of Israel's living history, don't you know.

"All territories are disputed territories,including East Jerusalem." "territories occupied" are occupied, not disputed. "If there is no agreement between the parts the `status` quo prevails" Show me in International Law... "WE are now all waiting for peace conversations between the parts that might define which part of East Jerusalem belongs to whom." Israel's annexation was illegal. It is NOT Israeli. The whole of the West Bank and all of Jerusalem are in the non-state entity of Palestine. http://wp.me/pDB7k-il "Nothing but nothing belongs to a so called Palestine, without negotiations." Twaddle.

"Furthermore America convinced Russia in 1967 to remove text from the resolution requiring Israel to leave its territory" "territories occupied" "Infact it was meant to be traded back for peace sans Jerusalem..." IN FACT... there's nothing in the resolution about trading. "The offer is still on the table from 1967... Just accept it already! Sheesh!" Read the resolution. Do not change any words. It was between STATES. The word negotiate does not appear. http://wp.me/PDB7k-6r

No one denied the presence of jews in Palestine nor Jerusalem. I'm talking about the palestinians. Capito ? Most of the palestinians lived in Jerusalem and the city was their political, cultural and social center. I dont' think you understand that fact and you should.

I'm asking the WB and your answer is about Jerusalem.

Yaakov Sullivan, Well said and it contains that indelible truth JFK spoke of in 1961 about American's place and power in the world. You can access his speech with the URL below. Keep those comments coming! Thanks, Dutch "the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient?that we are only six percent of the world's population?that we cannot impose our will upon the other ninety-four percent of mankind.." JFK, Washington Speech 1961 http://www.learner.org/workshops/primarysources/coldwar/docs/jfk.html

"Under Israeli control, everyone can enter and worship" Palestinians from Gaza? Palestine refugees from Lebanon? Egypt? Jordan? Gaza?

"The U.N said it was against International law for Israel to arrest Eichmann from Argentina in 1960. They said they had no right to kidnap him from Argentina." They were of cours, correct. It was an infringemment of Argentinian Sovereignty. Extradition would have been the correct procedure. "The Arab states went along with this resolution." How strange. There were no Arab states on the UNSC 1960.

Netanyaho is right !

Amen and amen Kathy of Maine.

To vhardman peace is only possible because of the military might of the idf. It is inconceivable to vhardman that Israel can actually have peace with her neighbors so the next best thing is a military that will occupy and "force" peace. What a pathetic, paranoid view of the world.

"Jerusalem is part of the palestinian culture and heritage. " Jerusalem has been a majority Jewish since the mid-nineteenth century. It has been part of the Jewish culture for over 3000 years. Every single Jew was kicked out of East Jerusalem when Jordan captured those territories. Jews were not permitted to visit their own holy sites. Every single Jewish synagogue was destroyed -- over 50 of them. Under Arab control Jews were forced out and forbidden to enter. Under Israeli control, everyone can enter and worship.

"And that would be interesting to know how many jews were expelled from the WB before 67 ?" Do some homework. And see about how many Jews were ethnically cleansed from East Jerusalem and how many synagogues were destroyed when Jordan captured the territories. Think it was illegal for Jews to move back in after only 19 years?

There will be One Biblical Yerusalem today and forever. There cannot be any long lasting peace with divided Holy Land.

KJ: "The U.N said it was against International law for Israel to arrest Eichmann from Argentina in 1960. They said they had no right to kidnap him from Argentina." Those two statements are not the same thing, Ken. The UN was concerned with the illegality of the KIDNAPPING of Eichmann by Israeli agents, and that this illegality invalidated that arrest. After all, the KIDNAPPING of someone by agents of a foreign country is clearly a violation of national sovereignty, and that can not be ignored when discussing the legality of any subsequent arrest and trial. KJ: "I debated your father on this back in 60 and he said it was outragious for Israel to arrest Eichmann. He demanded Israel send Eichmann back to Argentina." Again, you are conflating two issues i.e. was he "outraged" that Israel presumed to have the right to arrest Eichmann, or was it because Israel committed an illegal act in order to arrest him, and that illegalilty invalidated that arrest?

SS: "And that would be interesting to know how many jews were expelled from the WB before 67 ? " According to this: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/partition_plan.html the answer is "not very many". The Partition Plan envisioned that the "Arab state" would have a population of 814,000, of which 804,000 would be Arabs and 10,000 would be Jews. So of all of the refugees from the War of Independence only about 10,000 of them (12,000 if you count East Jerusalem) were Jews fleeing from the West Bank, because there were only ever 10,000 Jews (plus 2,000 in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City) who were living in those territories pre-war.

Without an iron curtain such as existed in Germany it would not be feasible to have Israeli and Arabs living side by side under two separate governments. Therefore the only way the Arabs will ever have possession of Jerusalem is through warfare which they themselves realize. However the bible says that although another will stand in the glorious land, the Arabs will never rule Jerusalem now that G-D has restored the land to the Jewish peoples.

The Palestinian position is that East Jerusalem would be sufficient. The Israeli position is that under no circumstances can any part of Jerusalem. whether it was historic Jerusalem or modern suburbs, cannot be shared. I certainly can support keeping the 'old city' and the Israeli city to it's west. But it seems to me that Netanyahu is more interested in playing to the right than serving Israel. Must all Arabs be expunged from East Jerusalem as is the clear goal of the Israeli government? Could not SOME fig-leaf be given to ease the road to peace? Of course not. Peace is a 'four letter' (plus one) word which is despised by the Israeli right. Peace will only happen when Arabs are vanished from East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. Which is when a flight of flying pigs will form the letter V for victory over the Temple Mount and proceed, victorious, into a Kosher sunset. . .

"And it shall come to pass that just as you were a curse among the nation, O house of Judah and house of Israel, So I will save you and you shall be a blessing. Do not fear. Let your hands be strong".. Zechariah 8:13

I am a Christian citizen of Israel and we have better relations with the muslims than the jews. The Govt of Israel looks at us like second class citizens and equality will never be given to us. My family tells me how they once lived with Jews and Muslims peacefully and equally

beware of politicians who say "never" and those who speak of "forever" ...it is only rhetoric that may lead to war or set the stage for eventual downfall

UN Partition Plan: Israel/Jews jump for Joy, Palestine not so happy and riot It gets rejected by Palestine Govt: They lose a lot of land and people They do not want to compromise, and lose more. Future: Israel gets everything it never imagined of. Rejects peace and deals to compromise. Citizens/Govt can't agree. They are happy with unhappy neighbors. No compromise leads to losing lots of land, peace, people. Palestine/world offer deal. No go. Back to square 1

My father was born in Present day jerusalem, he tells me of the days muslims, jews, christians lived their in the 1920's in peace. He and his friends who remain agree, political/idealogical movements since then brought havoc to the area where the god fearing people once lived

You will be forced to give up Jerusalem.

Why does Israel refuse to settle for less and live in peace with their Arab neighbors ?

One Hundred, or 80, or 60, or even 50 years ago the demands of creating and building a nation drew the best and brightest of Palestinian Jews and, later, Israelis, into politics and the armed forces. Then success happened. After the Yom Kippur War the nation was safe and sound, and the best and brightest turned to other problems. The second-rate started to take up control of politics and the armed forces. The best and brightest have turned Israel into one of the high-tech powerhouses of the world. A thriving nation with a sound economy. The third-rate types dominating politics and the IDF have consistently let the nation down and failed to match the accomplishments of the founding generation. Too bad. Those third rate types are sapping the nation with their corruption and incompetence. Building Israel drew the best. Living off their accomplishment draws the worst.

SDHD: "It was illegal for Jordan to capture the territories, kick all the Jews out, and annex them in the first place, numbskull." Jordan is a state. Bear that in mind as we witness SDHD's little sleight-of-hand.... SDHD: "It wasn`t illegal for Jews to reclaim their properties and move back in." Notice how SDHD is *now* talking about property ownership by individuals ("Jews"), and not about a claim to sovereignty by a state ("Israel") i.e. SDHD is attempting to pretend that "sovereignty over territory" and "property ownership over land" were one and the same issue. They aren't. They are quite separate. After all, SOVEREIGNTY over East Jerusalem can be vested in the new state of "Palestine" and that new sovereign can declare that it is bound by law to respect any pre-existing Jewish PROPERTY RIGHTS. I would be curious to hear what, exactly, would be your objection to such a solution, SDHD....

The Israelis will tell this Yahu that Jerusalem isn't his to give, The Palestinians & the whole world know by now the low life, lier & cheat that he is, same as his supporters in his government, The entire world is watching just to see how low these clowns will go, what a waste;their lies to the israeli people & the world for over 60 years is not coming to a stop overnight, look for a government official denial soon, peace on earth;

17: "It is possible to annex the remaining WB with 5% of Arab residents and grant them Israeli citizenship." Only... that territory was carefully chosen precisely because its colonization (and thus eventual annexation) would make a VIABLE state of "Palestine" impossible to achieve. Yaakov (correctly) starts his ruminations from that point i.e. if Israel suceeds in annexing that territory then "Palestine" as a VIABLE STATE is a non-starter. And if THAT is a non-starter then the alternative is either (a) one-state for all or (b) an apartheid regime. Your laughable "rebuttal" falls down because you finish your examination of the two-state-solution by looking only at Israel. That allows you to declare that you like what you see, but that's because you are only examining one side of that coin.

UNSC res 138 1960 1960 1960 1960 "The Arab states went along with this resolution" Really? Amazing!!!! By a miracle? Fairy votes? How exactly? There were NO Arab states on the UNSC in 1960! NO Arab states on the UNSC in 1960! Egypt 1946, 1949 ? 1950, 1984 United Arab Emirates 1986 ? 1987 United Arab Republic 1961 ? 1962 Turkey 1951 ? 1952, 1954 ? 1955, 1961, Syrian Arab Republic 1947 ? 1948, 1970 ? 1971 Qatar 2006 ? 2007 Oman 1994 ? 1995 Pakistan 1952 ? 1953, 1968 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 1976 ? 1977 Kuwait 1978 ? 1979 Jordan 1965 ? 1966 Iran (Islamic Republic of)1955 ? 1956 Iraq 1957 ? 1958, 1974

"If the Palestinians want a 1 state solution, their free to make one in Jordan" No they're not. Jordan is no longer a part of the non-state entity of Palestine. Only those Palestinians who were living in what became Jordan in 1946 had a right to become citizens of Jordan. "The Arabs have 22 states. What is wrong with their being one tiny Jewish nation?" Nothing. In fact there is a Jewish nation. Unfortunately it has been exceeding it's Sovereign boundaries since the day it became a state.

If Israel gets defensible borders why should not the Palestinians demand the same? After all, if the miracle happens and the Palestinians get a state, they will be facing the world's 4th most powerful army.

"The U.N said it was against International law for Israel to arrest Eichmann from Argentina in 1960." Put up the actual UN resolution......

who knows? Netenyahu and the Egyptians have been hinting for a month or more that something is cooking, but so far the soup's not done. Who knows if it's real or significant. Who knows if people are saying what they are because they mean it or for effect or to test public reaction. I wonder whether carefully calibrating all of this noise to try to make sense out of it is a useless exercise.

It will be a cold day in hell before Bibi cedes any of Jerusalem. But,considering the high likelihood that he will sell his soul and embark on highly contentious "final status negotiations" that do include E. Jerusalem, the Pal's should be happy. Frankly, despite the inherent ideological consternation, I believe Bibi has a cost-benefit analysis in his head, "Nobel prize, or sincere beliefs about Israels future?" Lets hope not.

"the only reason why this has not been done yet is becuase Negotiations are still ongoing..." The word 'negotiations/negotiate' do not appear in UNSC res 242. "Infact it was meant to be traded back for peace sans Jerusalem..." Show where UNSC Res 242 says anything of the kind. "The offer is still on the table from 1967..." False. The Egypt/Israeli and Jordan/Israeli peace treaties required ISRAEL to withdraw from their Sovereign territories. Israel has yet to withdraw from Syrian "territories occupied" and Palestinian "territories occupied" http://wp.me/PDB7k-6r

"All territories are disputed territories,including East Jerusalem" "territories occupied" and never withdrawn from, are still 'occupied' "If there is no agreement between the parts the `status` quo prevails." Under which law?

Nonsense.There are as many Jews in the US as there are in Israel. This country, Israel, suffers perhaps the only severe and almost debilitating case of national paranoia know to man.

SS: "And that would be interesting to know how many jews were expelled from the WB before 67?" Total popln of the Mandate in 1948: 1,8450, of whom 1,237,000 (67%) were Arabs, and 608,000 (33%) were Jews. Total popln of the proposed "Jewish state": 823,000, of whom 498,000 (60%) were Jewish, and 325,000 (40%) were Arab. Total popln of the proposed "Arab state": 817,000, of whom 10,000 (1%) were Jewish, and 807,000 (99%) were Arab. Total popln of the proposed "corpus separatum": 205,000, of whom 100,000 (48%) were Jewish, and 105,000 (52%) were Arab. SS: "how many jews were expelled from the WB before 67" Answer: no more than 10,000 (plus another 2,000 from East Jerusalem) out of a total refugee popln of approximately 700,000.

Where is the proof?

And that would be interesting to know how many jews were expelled from the WB before 67 ?

"I debated your father on this back in 60 and he said it was outragious for Israel to arrest Eichmann" perhaps wingnuts like myself will be able to better understand his views if his father was a famous academic, as i would assume by your post.

I couldnt agree with you more. I am amazed that some of the smartest people inb the world refuse to see this. All middle eastern people are the same - Jews, Arabs, Iranians (all the Iranian races). Imagine if we were united....the world would shiver. We know who the third party is, we just choose to ignore it and fight each other - brother vs brother. One Love, One Family.

"At the tipping point, Israel will have to react to that by a draconian racist policy of transfer and expulsions and then its future will truly be that of apartheid SA." YS Sir, You are experiencing nightmares. Please, wake up. At least 95% of Arab residents of Judea and Samaria are under PA. It is possible to annex the remaining WB with 5% of Arab residents and grant them Israeli citizenship. What transfer, expulsions and other horrible visions you are experiencing?

Glad to see that Israel is going to take a good stand. They keep throwing bombs from the borders now, why would anybody in their right mind let them any closer. The land was never theirs to start with and Israel WILL CLAIM all the land that God gave to them. So the world had better brace itself for God will not be mocked and the covenant will be fullfilled. Pray for Israel. America would not let any country bomb us with even one missile. Israel has been patient. He who watches over Israel never slumbers nor sleeps. Amen.

"we can`t live anywhere else - the world hate us." Hysterical nonsense! Half the Jews in the world do NOT live in Israel. I know some of them in the UK where they live happily as normal British citizens.

did judaism not exist before jerusalem?how is it more holy to jews than islam when mohammed went to heaven from there?(according to muslim theology)whose religous claim is stronger?as far as the world standing by during concentration camp era dont you think ww2 was a response? i know west didnt go to war for that specific reason but hitlers actions definitely were in the mix.dont you possibly think that more would have perished without western military action. how many non jews perished in that fight?until yhere is security for all there will be security for none!

Now this really is interesting.It seems that there is a possibility that the PA will move from some of of its entrenched positions if Israel eases its tough anti-terrorist measures. The conclusion is that,to dig the PA out of even more of its intransigence,Israel should be even tougher.Force actually does work with these characters.They understand it.There's been too much carrot dangled in front of the PA and too little stick. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

If the Palestinians want a 1 state solution, their free to make one in Jordan. The Arabs have 22 states. What is wrong with their being one tiny Jewish nation? All minorities in the Arab countries are treated like crap. (Kurds, Coptics, Black Christians of Sudan, Berbers, Western Sahara and Chaldeans. Just to let you know the 1 state solution was tried by a Kurd named Saladin. He won the wars and land and opposed a state for the Kurds cause he wanted a 1 state solution for Arabs, Kurds, Turks and Iranians. Tell me Mr Genius how did that work for the Kurds? Didn't work out to good.

and the consequnces for it will be much worse than having EJ as capital of a Palestinian state and having a 2-state settlement based on compromise on both sides.

The U.N said it was against International law for Israel to arrest Eichmann from Argentina in 1960. They said they had no right to kidnap him from Argentina. The Arab states went along with this resolution. I debated your father on this back in 60 and he said it was outragious for Israel to arrest Eichmann. He demanded Israel send Eichmann back to Argentina.

FACT: The whole world agrees that Israel has to be devided. The Christian world and the Muslim world and the billions of sympathizers with other religions. This is a fact and a PRErequisite for any peace. We should know this. You live in a can. Open the can and smell the news.

Read the NYT article entitled. JERUSALEM, HOLY CITY OF ISLAM. http://www.nytimes.com/1982/04/25/travel/jerusalem-holy-city-of-islam.html You are getting beyond a joke. "I heard that muslims thing that Mohammad went to heven from Al Aqsa mosque but the mosque was not built yet at that time. So it is a simple Mosque." No. By your logic, the Temple was not built at the time of david nor at the time of Moses and nowhere in the 5 books of moses did it say that a temple should be built in Jerusalem. So Jerusalem by your own logic is just another part of Israel, the temple Mount nothing special. If it is true for al aqsa it is true for the Temple. No double standards. When the Mosque was built Jerusalem was in ruins, and the Jews were not even allowed in!

"Ralph, annexation of East Jerusalem is illegal. Clear enough?" It was illegal for Jordan to capture the territories, kick all the Jews out, and annex them in the first place, numbskull. It wasn't illegal for Jews to reclaim their properties and move back in. Clear enough?

"Could it be those hundreds of thousands of illegal colonists stealing Palestinian land and resources?" Could it be those hundreds of thousands of Jews moved onto Jewish properties which were originally stolen by Jordan only 19 years earlier and are not exclusively "Palestinian" lands at all? Where is your brain, BSNews? Who granted you the authority to decide that the territory belongs exclusively to Arab Palestinians?

I'm not counting but I think you've tried to get this point through to daniela 5/6 times, and it aint working. Your wasting your time mate, as she is obviously numb. I'm in agreement with you by the way ! Daniela, just try one more time to get your head round it, and report back to me. Actually, don't waste your time.

Why do you keep on sacralizing everything ? that's amazing and dangereous ! Jerusalem is part of the palestinian culture and heritage. Full stop. My family is from Jerusalem. The fact that i am christian, muslim or jew is secondary and always should be. Religion is a private matter. Do you understand ? palestinians are related to Jerusalem for many reasons other than in a spiritual way. Jerusalem is part of the palestinian heritage. Full stop. Now if you want to talk about religion, fine with me ! but don't use religion for political matters ! Jerusalem is a political matter. The whole conflict is political and not religious.

Muslims and jews are like brothers... jews are the older brother and Muslims are the younger brother... If you have ever seen two brothers play with the same toy... then you would understand how simply-complex the situation really is... There was a reason why Isaac and Ishmael could not live together... Its the same reason too why thier descendants cant share the same capital city...

... shared itself between Jews and Muslims, with the kushan for the Christians as well...

All territories are disputed territories,including East Jerusalem. If there is no agreement between the parts the 'status' quo prevails. WE are now all waiting for peace conversations between the parts that might define which part of East Jerusalem belongs to whom. That is the nature of negotiations. You simply dont get a simple fact: if we all knew what is the final result of what supposed to be Israel withdrawal, then what are negotiations for. We are debating about how much of East Jerusalem will be Israel and how much (if any)Palestine. Crystal clear. Nothing but nothing belongs to a so called Palestine, without negotiations.

Why do you keep on sacralizing everything ? that's amazing and dangereous ! Jerusalem is part of the palestinian culture and heritage. Full stop. My family is from Jerusalem. The fact that i am christian, muslim or jew is secondary and always should be. Religion is a private matter. Do you understand ? palestinians are related to Jerusalem for many reasons other than in a spiritual way. Jerusalem is part of the palestinian heritage. Full stop. Now if you want to talk about religion, fine with me ! but don't use religion for political matters ! Jerusalem is a political matter. The whole conflict is political and not religious.

Why do you keep on sacralizing everything ? that's amazing and dangereous ! Jerusalem is part of the palestinian culture and heritage. Full stop. My family is from Jerusalem. The fact that i am christian, muslim or jew is secondary and always should be. Religion is a private matter. Do you understand ? palestinians are related to Jerusalem for many reasons other than in a spiritual way. Jerusalem is part of the palestinian heritage. Full stop. Now if you want to talk about religion, fine with me ! but don't use religion for political matters ! Jerusalem is a political matter. The whole conflict is political and not religious.

In 1994 America concluded that Jerusalem is Israels capital and they should move thier embassy there... the only reason why this has not been done yet is becuase Negotiations are still ongoing... Furthermore America convinced Russia in 1967 to remove text from the resolution requiring Israel to leave its territory... Infact it was meant to be traded back for peace sans Jerusalem... The offer is still on the table from 1967... Just accept it already! Sheesh!

I don't deny whatever is muslim, I say that you can't divide a capital. In Rome there is a beautiful Synagogue what does it mean? That Rome should be holy to jews because of the Synagoge? I don't understand. I heard that muslims thing that Mohammad went to heven from Al Aqsa mosque but the mosque was not built yet at that time. So it is a simple Mosque. Jerusalem became holy to muslims, in the last century, during the immigration of jews runing away from their countries, why? Was islamic pilgrimage to Jerusalem in 1000 in 1500 in 1600 etc like at Mecca?

Clear enough? No? Okay, see UNSCR 478. It's why no country has its embassy in Jerusalem, UN member states are required to respect international laws and norms. Well, they expect them to, a lot don't, and in this Israel truly is a world leader!

The Temple was there before the Mosques

Listen, Jerusalem has been holy to jews since the beginning. I repeat it is in our prayers, and in the Bible. The Quran is the confirmation of the Bible. Please read this article of Dr. Kedar professor and expert of Islam http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3596681,00.html Ahmed, bitween you and me... you want Jerusalem only because it's ours. Mont Nebo is also holy to jews but it's not ours and we do not do any jihad to conquer it, it belongs to Jordan as Jerusalem belongs to the jews. Full stop. Nobody gives me an answer about Jerusalem Incredible.

If that is truly the bottom Israeli line, than Israel should be prepared to be a war with 1 billion Muslims in perpetuity. Sometimes hot, sometimes cold, but always at war, no matter what rationalization you employ to deny others their human right to self-determination.

when are you going to deal in facts and not muslim supporting whimsy ??

Is this clear enough?

-There are Mosques in the whole EUROPE- There are synagogoes all over Europe, so what does that mean, that Jerusalem is not so important to Jews after all? A stupid response Daniela! Those mosques have special significance, just like the idea that the temple had special significance for Jews. I told you if you before if you "don`t know then see this NYT link which spells it out for you." but you are too lazy to bother. http://www.nytimes.com/1982/04/25/travel/jerusalem-holy-city-of-islam.html If you are still too lazy here is a clue or two. The Dome of the Rock, built about A.D. 690 and the oldest existing Moslem monument, dominates the area. When you see Jerusalem from afar it is this mosque you see and is known throughout the world not the Temple which is invisible. Farther to the south stands the second of the mosques, Al Aksa, which commemorates Mohammed's journey from Mecca to Jerusalem in preparation for his ascent to the heavens. So when you ask what is holy you now have the answer. Before you joke about this, bear in mind it is just as easy to joke about temples as mosques.

Israel is in a race, a demographic race. It knows that time and human growth are working against it. The Arabs have the lead and Israel must outpace them on both counts. Technologically of course, Israel has the lead, but it is creating conditions where it will increasingly become isolated in the region and have to develope more and more a fortress mentality. This combined with the demographic advantage of her neighbours, bodes ill for Israel. It points to a one state solution happening automatically. At the tipping point, Israel will have to react to that by a draconian racist policy of transfer and expulsions and then its future will truly be that of apartheid SA. What is becoming increasingly clear is that this state cannot continue to claim to be democratic, Jewish, yes, but not democratic.

And that's supposed to be a clever argument Daniela ? hilarious !! Did you read Nusseibeih's article about Jerusalem being a holy place for Muslims (as you requested it) ? or do you deny anything that's arab and/or muslim ?

Sorry but Muslims and Jews are being conned here, we were fed lies and hatered and allowed to know history that only relates to our Muslim or Jewish interests. Certainly when it relates to who's God's favourit !!! the Jews claim more rights and so do Muslims, so why not just start killing each other!!?? why?? The answer is easy, because we are both stupidly serving the agenda of a third party.

d: "Jerusalem might be holy for muslims but it doesn`t have to be their capital." S.T.R.A.W. M.A.N. "the Muslims" aren't claiming Jerusalem as their capital, any more than "the Jews" are. The claimants are "Israel" and "Palestine", not "Jews" and "Muslims". d: "Jerusalem never stopped to be holy to us" Again, that is a S.T.R.A.W. M.A.N. argument. Jerusalem isn't being claimed as the capital of "the Jewish nation". It is being claimed as the capital of "Israel". d: "If you haven`t understood yet" Look, daniela, I understand better than you do, because you are blinded by a theocratic mindset that believes that a) "the Jews" ARE "Israel" b) "Israel" IS "the Jews". You can not differentiate between them, and that's why your arguments are flawed. After all, there are many more Muslims in Indonesia than in Saudi Arabia, but that doesn't give Indonesia a better claim to Mecca than does the House of Saud.

Jerusalem is already divided, but it is controlled and run by a single governing entity. People don't mix and tensions are always high, but one section of the city faces a totalitarian regime's treatment. and I'm not sure if you're following, but the wrath of God has come to the people of Jerusalem and the Israeli/Palestinian territories a years ago and continues to persist. and by the way, all three Abrahamic religions have the same prophecies Kathy.

Did you read Nusseibeih's article ? apparently not.

there are Mosques all over the world, not only in Jerusalem. Are those places holy too???

That is effectively sooooo interesting to see how people buy the propaganda and hatre from an extremist member of Bar Ilan University ! Poor Israel !

Jerusalem as Israeli territory let alone the capitol of Israel. The struggle will continue untill all Palestinian land is returned to them. Israel simply cannot fight forever, it WILL cede the land and anything else thats asked of it....eventually.

I can smell such intelligence out of each one of your posts...................... Thanks God you're in the States ! Stay there Baby ! stay there !

this is a stupid reply. There are Mosques in the whole EUROPE, in the United States, in Asia in Australia as well Are they holy too???? You want all with the force.

d: "you haven`t replied to my question" That's because your question is flawed, daniela. d: "Why Jerusalem is holy for muslims?" That's a straw man, because Jerusalem isn't even being claimed by "the Muslims", much less that Jerusalem is being claimed by "the Muslims" because it is holy. Only YOU are making that claim, not THEM. Get The Terminology Right. The city of Jerusalem is being claimed by the PALESTINIANS (not by "the Muslims") and they are claiming it for their CAPITAL (not in the name of "Islam"), and when you argue that they are then all you are doing is holding up a mirror to your own theocratic bigotry.

1. Land under the control of Arabic municipalities has been cut by half since the beginning of the state of Israel, despite the fact that their population has grown by a factor of 7. 2. Israeli Arabs constitute 20% of the population yet they only live on 3.5% percent of the land. 3. Urban plans for Arabic towns take on average twice as long to be authorized compared to Urban plans for Jewish towns. 4. Land around Arabic villages in the Galilee have been confiscated by the government to build Jewish only settlements, along with industrial and other complexes to support them, leaving Arabic towns with no room to expand to, turning them to extremely crowded places. Yet no body talks about "Natural Growth" for Arabic Towns. Please stop the Hypocrisy

...gosh, there must be some reason they showed up... Could it be those hundreds of thousands of illegal colonists stealing Palestinian land and resources? Why yes, yes it sure can. Dear, do go read the Likud Charter. It says there will never be a Palestinian state, and that Palestinians are free to live in a ghetto just like the Gazans currently do. Now go back to sleep, and let the adults figure out how to get Israel to get back within its recognized international borders and too stop making and threatening war day after day on all its regional neighbors. It's a matter of US National Security dear.

And ignoring the real God. If you have doubts. Seek and ye shall find. Are you worshipping a false god?

No israel, No Palestine. One State Solution is the best for all. One Man, One Vote, Equality for all inhabitants. Equal Pay for Equal Work, Equal Water Rights. No Apartheid, No Segregation...A Very True Secular Democrac Let us call it :?State of Holy Land?.

The annexation of East Jerusalem was declared illegal by UNSC Resolution 252 (1968)of 21 May 1968 UNSC Resolution 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969 UNSC Resolution 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, UNSC Resolution 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, UNSC Resolution 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, UNSC Resolution 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980 And yet, Israel defies the International Community.

I love your posts.

this is Natanyahu just 11 days ago???. Last update - 14:02 28/12/2009 Netanyahu: No more excuses - time is ripe for Mideast peace Hmmmm???.

A must read. Amira Hass, Gideon Levy and Akiva Eldar are in total panic over these facts. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126403 Israeli on Arab TV: J'lem Was Ours When Moslems Worshipped Idols Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu 6/4/08

"Why Jerusalem is holy for muslims?" Why did they build two great mosques there. What did they signify? If you don't know then see this NYT link which spells it out for you. http://www.nytimes.com/1982/04/25/travel/jerusalem-holy-city-of-islam.html

....are good for us Swiss. As we all know, the Islamic Jihadists have no money left to bring to our safe Swiss Banks, if they have money at all, they are going to use it for some other "stuff"...:)

Israel tried to give everything back in 1967 sans jerusalem... and the Arabs rejected it... Israel never wanted to occupy anything... but when the Arabs said thier famous 3 "no's" what was Irsrael expected to do with the space? By the Arabs rejecting peace in 1967 they created the settler movement... Now fast foward 40 years later and still the same deal is on the table... we leave the land sans jerusalem(and now have to exchange territory to keep some of the settlements) and the Arabs can figure out what to do with the land(West bank)... The areas of Jerusalem that the Arabs would keep are on thier side of the fence already and basically are southern suburbs of Ramallah... When the Arabs decide they want peace over real estate(old city Jerusalem) then we can have peace...

Israel should remember who and what she is. Zionism cannot be separated from the Gd of Israel. There is no other Gd and that's what this conflict is all about, no matter what, who, and from where, there is a challenge to what has been written and is.

to be frank, "the World'" has Israel to thank for now being the most expert at thwarting terrorism that you seem to support. No matter how hard the pals try to harm Israel, the more suffering and losses seem to result as payment to the pals. As this terrorism expands, so does the "worlds" support of a unity to combat terror in all forms, beginning w/ the pals. Get used to never having either E. Jerusalem or, the W. Bank.

enough with the build baby build please. It's mean-spirited and not helpful!

Never is a long time, longer than Netanyahu or lieberman etc will be around for, they are just passing through (thankfully) like the rest of us. Israel may elect some politicians with a little humility one day, that's if the current mob haven't destroyed it first!

We have in Brazil half a dozen or more of small cities called Nova Jerusalem(New Jerusalem).I'm sure the Brazilian Government would gladly give away(for the right price,offcourse...) any of them to the 'pals"

But then if you criticise that hardening of an already hard line on the part of netanyahu, then of course Israel will call in your ambasssador and lecture you, talk down to you and accuse of the worst anti-semitism and actively setting the groundwork for another Holocaust. The trick works every time and so the foreign dignitaries walk away bowing and scrapping. Israel meanwhile cntinues taking land for a state that all parties know damn well can never come to be because Israel will not allow it. Israel morphs into a middle eastern South Africa with a zionist imposed apartheid and the Palestinians get screwed and blamed for it on top of everything else.

the point is they were attacked first, therefore they were NOT assassinations, whether it was responses to rockets, suicide bombers or mortar rounds. the truth is they are not assassinations, they are called responses. and responses to kisses sent? NO, they are responses to Rocket attacks.

you haven't replied to my question Why Jerusalem is holy for muslims?

NEVER AGAIN!!!

Well done Mr. Prime Minister - Keep it up Jerusalem can never, never be shared, that's why God put you on power never compromise. Don't fear their threats. The Living God of Israel El Sabaoth/Gibor/Nissi is with you. Amen

no my dear, I have no problems at all. I thought you were a muslim because you defend them all the time and you never ever condamned their terrorism. You condamn Israel when replies to terrorism. Jerusalem is holy to Cristians but is not the capital of the Vatican. Jerusalem might be holy for muslims but it doesn't have to be their capital. AT ALL. The Kingdome of Israel was distructed and jews were kicked out but the presence of jews remains in Israel and Jerusalem never stopped to be holy to us. NEVER. We returned to our land after the olocaust, we had no choice, we can't live anywhere else - the world hate us. Israel was born again in 1948 but Palestine didn't die as it never exist! If you haven't understood yet, that the palestinians accept their state only instead of Israel and not next to Israel, you have a problem. Hamas doesn't fight for the west bank, it fights the existance of Israel. Open your eyes This conflict will never end because hamas

left one through the cracks. "The Palestinians have less right to Jerusalem than the Brits have over Belfast. "GA Better read the good friday agreement---you can read???--- ok = I will grant you that---but can you comprehend----facts???. Britain is the sovereign over Northern Ireland--of course it has a right to Belfast---for now???. As to jerusalem---Israel has no International document granting it sovereignty over Jerusalem---period---so one could say that the Israelis have as much right to Jerusalem as the Palestinians do---or anyone else for that matter. "Cheers , have a fresh Guiness on me."GA Be careful about stereo typing---it borders on racism. Did not teach you that in your social skills classes huh GA.

Time for the World to understand the Jews, at lest, as much as they are allowing themselves to believe the Arab lies ! Jerusalem was always the centre of ALL Jewish prayers. I can't imagine Jerusalem is a part of any prayer of any other nation ! It is obvious that no prayer is complete with part of it rejected by the believers of that faith ! Obama & others must understand that ! Otherwise, all that is saying out of ignorance ! What the world expect ?! Jews to revise all their prayers books so the palestinians will have a capital that was never their own or the Capital of any others, with exception of the Jews ? Jerusalem is the Capital of all Jewish prayers besides being the eternal Capital of Israel. It is like Islam saying 'Allah' without followed by saying 'Akber' (great) & the Christians saying 'The Father' without followed by saying 'The Holy Ghost' . Islam hates the Jews; it is in their Koran, but will never destroy their religion ! No one will ever can !

"No territory has ever been legally annexed to Israel". CJ _____ and no territory was legally belonged to the West bankers - Jordanian citizens until 1988. This is why it is called contested territory and eventually will be divided.

Well at least it's clear now. There will not be peace between Palestinians and Israel anytime soon. Thus: Israel will not upgrade ties with EU, who are getting closer to Muslim countries. When democracy arrives in Egypt, Israel will be locked on itself, cut from Africa and it's ressources (Water) you will need so much. And I doubt Turkey will give you Water like you hoped. The wall you built to protect yourselves will be the same wall that will cut you off from the rest of the world.

Criticizing Israel's politics is NOT "judeophobia". You see it from your Occidental perspective. How about the US sending troops in Iraq killing thousands ? how about israeli army killing palestinians ? what you call self defense is called terror and vice versa.

the more I read your posts the more I realise just how Israel does not need enemuies with friends like you. "Very childish invention of yours , a lie about the Likud Charter, know-it-all Lab."GA If you must try to score at least shoot towards the goal---preferably the oppositions.

Listen if you want to talk seriously keep your ambigueous comments for yourself. Many thanks in advance. If jews from arab countries want to claim anything please feel free ! this has nothing to do with the palestinians. Greetings from Eurabia...funny from someone from London !

d: "Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Quran and not even in your praiers." Islam isn't my faith, daniela. Whatever made you think it was? d: "Jerusalem is our holy city for more then 3000" The state of Israel did not exist until 1948. Is Netanyahu the king of the "Jewish Nation", or does he head the govt of "the state of Israel"? He. Speaks. For. The. State. Of. Israel. d: "Each jew prays in direction of Jerusalem." Whoop-de-do. "The state of Israel" isn't "the Jewish nation". "The Jewish nation" isn't "the state of Israel". You seem to be having serious trouble with that simple fact. d: "Mecca and Medina are holy to muslims" But the SOVEREIGN of Mecca and Medina is "Saudi Arabia", not "the Muslims". I understand that you have a lot of trouble distinguishing between A STATE and AN ETHNICITY, sure, I do. But that's your problem, daniela, not mine.

Pathetic islamophobia is as bad as pathetic judeophobia. I think we could agree on that, if nothing else. Perhaps one pathetic phobia provokes another. Perhaps one is not a phobia and based on facts. Perhaps one should study the terrorist attacks on civilians worldwide in order to explain which may be a phobia and which based on facts, especially as more Moslems are killed by Moslems than by anyone else, ....every day.

"Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Quran" Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Torah either. "Mecca and Medina are holy to muslims Jerusalem is holy to Jews and to Chrisian" Patently that is nonsense. Jerusalem is holy to Muslims, albeit not as holy as Mecca or Medina.

Jerusalem is holy for jews, christians and muslims and there are christian palestinians ! You don't decide i'm afraid nor Israel. Stop your islamophobia please !! this is getting pathetic.

Jerusalem is holy for jews, christians and muslims and there are christian palestinians ! You don't decide i'm afraid nor Israel. Stop your islamophobia please !! this is getting pathetic.

You say Arab families have been in Jerusalem for 500 years and that should give them the right for a Capital there. What about the Jews who lived for 2500 years in Arab countries from Morocco through to the Middle East ? should Cairo , Rabat or Baghdad be their capital ?

Very childish invention of yours , a lie about the Likud Charter, know-it-all Lab. Go to Israel for a few days to see for yourself; you wont' feel lost, there's a very popular pub with TelAvivians by the sea front called Murphys serving the best Guiness in the country. I am sure you'd love it at least as much as the Israelis and I did.

you are wrong, the muslims are very good for switzerland, that's where they hide all their money, isnt'it ?

The Palestinians have less right to Jerusalem than the Brits have over Belfast. Cheers , have a fresh Guiness on me.

thank goodness you're back. Missed your wisdom

Jerusalem was never the capital of Jordan was never the capital of the ottoman imp. Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Quran and not even in your praiers. Jerusalem is our holy city for more then 3000 years, it is mentioned about 700 times in our Torah and in our prayers. Each jew prays in direction of Jerusalem. Mecca and Medina are holy to muslims Jerusalem is holy to Jews and to Chrisians.

"The world supports Israel and her having peace in her land" Indeed. It does not however support Israel building outside of it's Sovereign territory as it has been doing for the last few decades.

would share power with the Catholic minority famously retorted, "NEVER ---NEVER ---NEVER". Just one year ago Ian Paisley,who uttered the famous "Three Nevers" sat with Martin Mc Guinness his former enemy and Northern Ireland,s vice premier on an American TV show laughing and making jokes. It had taken 35 years but it came to be.Sadly it had cost some 4000 lives and countless injuries and broken lives. Israel,s Mr Never never never (There has been a long line of them) will eventually have to say "Yes yes yes".

Abbas 'demanded' E. Jerusalem and the W. Bank before any talks. ( remember?) These 'preconditions' were answered by Netanyahu, brilliantly. BUILD BABY BUILD!

The world supports Israel and her having peace in her land.

Clearly, mister Netanyahu is living in the past. Support, even from the USA, for Israel is no longer unconditional. Pressure is upon him, and he can barely hold his ground. His retreat, probably with a stubborn rearguard fight, is inevitable. And what will Israel then have....

... it's hardly a question of 'sharing'... ... Israel has to preserve it's hegemony over West Jerusalem... ... and just keep from interfering in Pal East Jerusalem... ... only then will peace-prevail-on-earth, not only in Jerusalem...

Here is a novel idea. Why not Israel build some appartment blocks for Palestinians and make them feel better about Isreal in general as a neighbor. Instead of the childish bullying and bating that goes on so that no one feels like sharing with anyone, not to mention being good neighbors. Show some class for god sake.

"It also defines the Palestinian state to be a religious one." Uh? "That is the only reason why they want it that way." Palestinians are Muslim, Christian, atheist... Jerusalem is in Palestine. Not Israel. http://wp.me/pDB7k-il

Palestinians are muslims and christians. Some have no religion at all. Why are you people trying to sacralize that conflict more than it is now ? There's no such thing as religious rights. Keep that in mind. Hundreds of palestinian families used to live in Jerusalem (West and East) before 48. Thousands have lost their homes. Religion is a private matter and one should respect it. Arabs have been in Jerusalem as long as the jews have. Palestinian families such as the Nusseibeihs or Husseinis have been in Jerusalem since more than 500 years ! Is it that difficult to understand for you ?

as full citizens of the State of Israel as is described in the Likud Charter--the Greater Israel in other words. One man One vote. That will bring Israel to it,s collective senses if not it,s knees. Can you hear the noise. Boom ---demographic explosion.

and not in Israel. //I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law.// No territory has ever been legally annexed to Israel.

Is it no wonder the world has such a tarnished opinion of Netanyahu and the country he represents. He declares that he is prepared to negotiate with the Palestinians without pre-conditions and then puts pre-conditions. He is behaving entirely in character, that he is untrustworthy and not fit to be a partner in negotiation. What, though, is most disturbing is how the Israeli people are acquiescing in the perhaps fatal damage to this country by this government. As Edmund Burke said, ?All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent.? That, tragically, is 21st century Israel. Hopefully, it will not again be its epitaph

Until more precision into what Netanyahu really said to Mubarak, and not what Aboul Gheit said Netanyahu said to Mubarak or Haaretz said Aboul Gheit said Netanyahu said to Mubarak, all the above messages are just the usual grievances by pro and anti Israel/Peace/The Palestinians..... the know-it-alls such as ......and .....you know who....and that other one......

with freinds in the world that stood silent when 6 million of us were massacred that stood silent when our schools, children airplanes . cafes and synagogues were being blown up or attempted to be blown up, with freinds who stood silent when our athletes were being murdered at the olympics , when thousands upon thousands of rockets were fired at our moshavs, kibbutzim, towns and villages ............ and all this just for being jews. Freinds in the world could care less.

....namely that I'm a Swiss citizen, and not an Israeli one, so I hope you will forgive me for having first and upmost our Swiss interests in mind, and not yours. And extremist Israelis/Diasporas and Muslims are simply no good for our Swiss interests (be it on the security or economical front), and that's exactly the reason, why I continue to have a little problem with you guys.... ....apart from the fact, that I find your treatment of the Palestinians rather "questionable" (to put it very mildly !!) You see, I try to be (almost) as nice as you...:)

d: "can you explain why palestinians wants jerusalem?" For The Same Reason That Israel Does. You know, for a capital city. d: "and why is it holy to them" Whoah Nessie! Back up a bit there, daniela, because you have just taken a gigantic leap of logic. There are religuous sites **IN** Jerusalem that are sacred to the Muslims, sure, and the Palestinians will insist that **IF** Jerusalem were to be divided **THEN** those sacred sites should become part their sovereign territory. Sure. But that is not the same thing as saying that the Pals want East Jerusalem **BECAUSE** Jerusalem is sacred to them. No. They want East Jerusalem because every sovereign state needs a capital, and they want their capital to be there. It's a bloody good argument, daniela, not least because it is the same argument that Israel makes. After all, there is nothing stopping the Knesset packing its bags and moving back to Tel Aviv....

Except No sharing Jerusalem. No retrurn to the 67 borders. Those are just two of his pre conditions which he claims he does have. Must be a reason there is no Nobel (Noble) prize for lying.

I cant see any arrangement being suitable especially in the light of Hamas idealogy. If the PA and Hamas unite without Hamas changing ways radically, how can they then "share" Jerusalem. Is Jerusalem going to be divided with a thick wall, cause that is probably what will happen, and how could you impliment secure borders? Trusting Arab double talk is (and may Israelis speak arabic- is no assurance. If Jerusalem is shared then it will be divided by borders and secure walls and patrols. The PA has a long way to go before the Israeli public can trust it's words match it's deeds, let a lone Hamas. Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible thousands of times and in Jewish prayers throughout the centuries thousands more, it is a central theme of Judaism, the heart of Judaism. Asking Jews to share it with a bunch of people whoes heroes are often murderers of Jews is never going to endear .....

Palestinians have not lived in this area for 1000 years and for sure the Otttomon Empire did not sell them land. By the way has anyone asked the Arabs in East Jerusalem if they would rather live under Israeli control with all its social welfare benefits or under Palestinian control and its corruption and if Hamas gains control, Moslem laws of dress and lack of women's rights. East Jerusalem is bulging with Arabs from the West Bank who are afraid of living in a Palestinian state.

can you explain why palestinians wants jerusalem? and why is it holy to 0them taking into consideration that their profet Muhammad didn't go to heaven from Al Alqsa Mosque because it wasn't there at that time it has been built about 50 years after his death. why arabs want Jerusalem?

the day you can show us...... ....firm evidence that you have first and upmost the Israeli interest in mind and not your own, you will have a very legitimate point to make. But until that has happened, I`m afraid that most Israelis will not be very convinded by your arguments.... You must finally learn to understand that your dispute with Israel (Jews in general) is YOUR problem, and not ours. We can not solve it for you, we can only try to have a moderating influence on the our regime....

Palestinians lived in Jerusalem for more then a thousand year. They have title to their homes and land. Jews do not live in Mecca, although I do not object to them to live any where in the Arab world. WE are after all from the same family but to say the palestinians have nothing to do with Jerusalem is unbelievable. Where did you come from Mark. I am sure your great grand father or your grandfather came from somewhere else. Enough hate and start talking so we all can live in peace.

this is not true. I think that the Palestinian state should include the west bank and gaza. They will then choose a capital for their state can be ramallah, can be hevron can be bethlehem can be tulkarem jenin o gaza BUT NOT JERUSALEM. Jerusalem is the capital of the jewish state. They must choose another one.

....of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will hopefully understand, who currently the true hurdle to peace in the Middle East is. Or in other words: A world without (right-wing) Zionists and Islamic Jihadists, would be a much, much better and more peaceful world....

If the Israeli do not understand the importance of East Jerusalem to the Muslims and if they do not understand that Bibi's statement is exactly what the extremist in the ME want, then the can kiss the Peace goodbye. They are proving Hezbollah cheif Nasrallah right and millions more will follow him and join him in the coming struggle to free the city from Israel. It is very simple, all should have the right to worship their God in a respectful peaceful manner. Now and forever you will find those who will fight for Jerusalem. Look back at history. Jerusalem will be free. It is a matter of time.

If these to-and-fro non-statements have any sort of validity then all I can suggest is that Ahmed Aboul Gheit has just done to Netanyahu what Ehud Barak did so sucessfully to Arafat after the Camp David talks imploded. He has "exposed Bibi's real face". Only Gheit has gone one better: Not only did he push Bibi into a corner, but Netanyahu is actually reported as shouting "Yeah, World, That's Me! Me, I Tell Ya!" Oh, dear, oh dear.

israels peace depends on the idf not some paper activity ! peace exists because of its military might !

...is a good thing - and they should have their state. BUT Jerusalem as a capital is a very bad idea. First of all, it will lead to an impossible situation of two states with the same capital. It also defines the Palestinian state to be a religious one. That is the only reason why they want it that way. A jewish capital and a muslim capital meters away from each other is a recipe for desaster. Give them two ministries in East-Jerusalem, one for cultural exchange and one for religious affairs. The rest should be in Ramallah.

Bibi WONT cede either the west bank or E. Jerusalem. Peace, ( or a form of it) is already a reality for Israel. Why should she give anything in exchange for the peace she has?

"obama wants israel to hand over 100% of the west bank" Of course. It's Palestinian territory, was never Sovereign Israeli territory. " plus what is incorrectly referred to as "arab jerusalem," Of course, it was never Sovereign Israeli territory "plus to prevent israel from defending itself and its citizens." Oh? How did you reach this amazing conclusion?

If Israel persists in occupying east Jerusalem and the West Bank, and refuses to go back to the 1967 borders (with the possible exclusion of a few big settlements, which might be left to Israeli following negotiations), it will never have peace. Most Western governements and populations are already convince Israel does not want peace and will never have it, and should be let to fail alone if that's what it wants.

Who knows what he may come up with next. If he was actually serious about keeping a united Jerusalem, the Arab neighborhoods would get services equal to those of the non-Arab neighborhoods and they automatically have citizenship, unless they affirmatively deny it. They'd also have equal chances to build and expand where they live. In other words, they would be treated as equal citizens of a democratic state, not as people under occupation. But the Israeli PTBs want them to remain passive. Separate but unequal. And gradually becoming homeless so they can be expelled.

... not to worry, he'll come round again... ... if it's not loan gauranetees, it'll be something else...

Like Arafat, nothing Netanyahu says can be given credibility until he says it to his own people. Say it in Hebrew, Bibi, in the Knesset and if you survive the "no confidence" vote, maybe then it's credible.

So, after all those pre-conditions, the Palestinians are ready to negotiate. Well, what do they have to offer ? What can they put on the negotiating table ? which concessions are they ready to make ?

He hasn't got the mandate to do this.

If this is true..then, I see peace in the horizon where we can all finally lay down our arms and embrace each other...let the Middle east florish and be a model to the rest of the world. I hope i'm not dreaming.

West side of abu-dis must be Israel sovereignty. If they want Jerusalem as a capital ;border will start from Abu-Dis & not any part east side of area.

obama wants israel to hand over 100% of the west bank plus what is incorrectly referred to as "arab jerusalem," plus to prevent israel from defending itself and its citizens. what this means is that obama wants israel to sign on the dotted line. it is very doubtful that netanyahu could be bullied into accepting.

.....instead of only speaking (nice) words !!! The day when Israels words and actions won't contradict anymore to (almost) a 100 %, will be the day, when Israel will have a lot more friends in this world....

with people like you , us both will live and prosper this region to what it should become.

there is no such thing as "arab jerusalem." all of jerusalem is under israeli sovereignty and jurisdiction. should there be a final peace agreement between the palestinians and israel, an unlikely proposition any time soon, then the final border might be drawn in such a way that certain districts in what is now israeli jerusalem might be given to the palestinians.

No one should get carried away with Natanyahu double talk...His statement has a catch. He means by Arab Jerusalem is the few slums that would be left after moving more Israelis to east Jerusalem. Its all Jerusalem that was occupied in 1967. No Palestinian will accept less than that. Otherwise keep our lives miserable and your life will be miserable.

Jerusalem is as much Arab and Muslim as it is Jewish or Christian. the Arabs are not some foreign race who just popped out of nowhere to claim the land, they have lived there for centuries. there is no reason why East Jerusalem can't be a Palestinian capital.

Why??? What have the arabs to do, let alone palestinian arabs, with J'salem? Do Jews get some control over Mecca?

And the last rocket into Israel from the West Bank was when exactly? Didn't think so.

That would be the Chaldeans and Romans. It happened a long time ago. What the Templars called the Temple of Solomon was actually Al Aqsa Mosque. It was also used by King Baldwin as part of his palace until the roof started to come apart.

I find this hard to believe. Certainly Netanyahu knows that if anything resembling this would be proposed and carried out by any govt, there would be armed civil war against them, by all of us, of all ages and states of health. For Jerusalem and Eretz Yisrael, we are willing to fight and die if necessary. He should make no mistakes about this.

Through History Egypt's role was eminent until Mr. Anwar Sadat was erred into signing a traety retuning partial sovereignity of Sinai to Egypt but making Egypt as agent to the US and Israel. For internal raesons Mr. Mubarak cannnot stand islamists setting the tone in the region. Hezbullah, Hamas and others are becoming formidable while Arab regimes are deeply in corruption and irrelevence. This peace of news about PM Netanyaho agreeing to East Jerusalme to be returned to the PLO is public relation B.S.

the parties should proceed with negotiations already and no need as of yet for either PM Netanyahu or President Abbas to make public statements as the inference of committing to these pronouncements should be satisfactory. But starting to talk would be beneficial as the changes in the preconditions have been modified.

in exchange for an easing of the siege on Gaza and a halt to Israeli assassinations in the West Bank how generous - a brake from murder

Palestinian country/nation with Jerusalem as it's capital. You can't? That's because Jerusalem is Jewish, always has been, and always will be. Let the Palestinians take Ramallah as their capital.

Why does this newspaper print lies which are to the detriment of the people of Israel? Jerusalem does not belong to the Arabs. It is our capital city and never in history was an Arab capital. It never will be. Why can't this paper be true to Jews istead of ARabs

When it comes to peace, Israel is all talk and no action. Now we have Netanyahu standing on the peace podium. Like the class "bad boy", neither he nor his audience can hardly keep a straight face as he issues various "pro-peace" proclamations.

He deserves no place in history and he is not seeking it. He will be just another forgotten PM. There is no Israeli leadership with balls to make peace.

Is this the Haaretz, the land of the Jews or the land of the Arabs? The cry; Jerusalem, the undivided capital of Israel forever, means what now? Remember, all of Israel, and Jerusalem its capital, is the land of the Jewish people and will be so forever.

There's no good reason not to let the Palestinians determine whatever place they want as their capital. Even their section of Jerusalem. Just like you guys did. By doing this you may get your capital in Jerusalem recognized as your capital by more than a country or two.

Powerless. His is called th PA trying to bolster support in west bank with hopes that an election may happen it get control and then be able to avoid Isral stating " I can negotiate on EJ as you are in dispute and Hamas will not recognize my deal wiu you" or alng those lines

I could be rich. All I gotta do is start sending rockets.

are taking over Israel (soon will be) and Israel is going to move into Gaza. Ain't that a good trade?

Jerusalem was imagined to be an Arab holy site only after the Islamic conquest, where the fable about mohammed's dream was invented in order to attract Arabs to Jerusalem. Oh yeah Netanyahu... don't forget that giving away the high ground of the West Bank will make it very difficult to defend against the inevitable Arab attacks from the West Bank once it is a real "country". Read Resolution 242 - it calls for DEFENSIBLE BORDERS.

Whats happening to this world?

point a gun at someone you can take their house and their land also. although rockets do a much better job. pity for the women and children. Not to mention the God they worship.

GUESS WHO THE TRATIOR IS ?

the truth is they are not assassinations, they are called respones. and respones to kisses sent? NO, they are respones to Rocket attacks.

His coalition or the US. We should find out who within couple of month.

Can any one explain this thing to me?

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This is so cool. Once again, prophecy in the HOLY BIBLE IS COMING TRUE. BUT GUESS WHAT, THE WRATH OF GOD COMES TO THOSE WHO DIVIDE THE CITY.For all those who don't believe, especially in the middle east, my prayers are with you, the gospel, the good news is still going out to all the world and will continue to do so. It's so amazing, it tells all of whats going on now. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

There was so much good stuff mentioned that it is almost impossible to swallow. Problem is this. a. Neither Bibi's office or Abbas' office confirm anything. b. What does Hamas say to "releasing certain Palestinian prisoners to the PA "

I'm surprised no-one has posted anything yet. So what's left to negotiate, but to sign on the dotted line! And then the Golan to Syria, right down to the shores of the Galil! What happens to the "settlers"? Do they become Palestinian residents? Hmm.

I have read this article a few minutes ago and I got myself very optimistic about the peace process. If the PM Benjamin Nethanyau is ready to negotiate under these opens terms I am sure the entire democratic world, and even the arab nations will agree the Israel right to live in paece and security.

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if bibi let Jerusalem to be divided, jewish people will kill him before that deal goes thru!

Is this true? Are there other reports on these facts? Is it true that Netanyahu has agreed to 100% of the West Bank AND East Jerusalem and the only issue here is the fear to admit all this publicly?

The PA had first better agree to recognize Jewish history in Jerusalem and on the Temple Mount and retain the architectural status quo or the abundance of Islamic historical revisionists will quickly deface both its subterranean and surface features to help erase Judaism from its Mt. Moriah roots and glory.