Mubarak to Israel: Peace process can't take another failure

All the cards are stacked against it now.

...it's just that simple. Israel does not get something for nothing. There can be no reconciliation while the occupation continues and justice is delayed. When Israel finally lives up to its obligations there will be peace, this has always been the foremost obstacle. Well, that and the incitement and violence that Israel has now been proven to instigate in the vast majority of cases.

...fanning the flames coming en masse with a police escort. This is their main credo: "Liberating the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation. The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosque were placed on this Jewish or Biblical holy site as a specific sign of Islamic conquest and domination. The Temple Mount can never be consecrated to the Name of G-d without removing these pagan shrines. It has been suggested that they be removed, transferred to and rebuilt at Mecca." It continues with equally insane and unstable nonsense. What it all makes clear is that there *is* a threat by Israel with restricting and threatening the destruction of the Al Aqsa mosque because officials officially guided (guarded and enabled) what the press hides as "tourists" who really were inciters to hatred and destruction. Very similar to Ariel Sharon's boneheaded but purposeful move that set off the Second Intifada.

that mentality made Egyptians people very cold to peace with Israel,the definition of peace in Israel is different....they want peace by putting gun in my head...do u let someone visit u and he claimed and fight to take ur home???..they asked for Sinia as a matter of fact..so how can we trust this mentality...

The Palestinians understand that there is a discrepancy between wanting an agreement and having a right of return but they still INSIST and DEMAND an unlimited right of return. The Palestinian journalist Khalid Amayreh who appears here from time to time, gives the warning in Arab papers when he merely suspects some in Fatah would drop it.The Palestinians hold conventions on the issue demanding it be kept. The Palestinians will tell us CLEARLY and without AMBIGUITY when they truly wish to compromise. For now, they just try to sucker the West and liberal Jews into advocating Israeli withdrawals by implying compromise on the issues.

I don't claim to understand Arab mentality. I don't. But you are wrong on the refugee issue. Palestinians of the Fatah-led PA understand very well that there is a difference between the right and the implementation of that right. While they want that right to be upheld, they understand that it is symbolic, nothing more. Yes, I am sure they would love these refugees to swarm Israel out of existance. But they know full well that this is a non-starter. So they themselves have said it. The US government has said it too. Jordan and Egypt have said it likewise. So there is no need to panick on that issue. About Jerusalem, it's clear they want East Jerusalem. In the ideal world, it would be possible to divide the city with freedom and wellbeing for all. In the real world, it's impossible. But to continue having hundreds of thousands of Arabs under Israeli sovereignty is not agood recipe either.

Mubarak should preach to his fellow Islamist-Jihadists about peace because they do not know peace.

The vast majority of Israelis believe the united Jerusalem is Israel's eternal capital. Israeli democracy is working properly to reflect the will of the majority. Actually, the "extremists" are the few left wingers (nut cases who still worship Lenin) may support giving away Jewish land.

living on stolen lands. "We have no peace with Egypt and many Israeli want the Sinai back."CBK Your day is at hand buddy. Are you prepared to live as a law abiding Palestinian Jew. You know---no burning down Olive trees or allowing your "offspring" to insult or throw stones at Palestinian passers by. You folks have the unqualified distaste of the international community---well deserved. No one but maniacs believe that the Sinai belongs to Israel.

doris to keep repeating the same idiotic crap for 20 years makes it null void and boring !

do you know what you are talking about? what sinai are you asking for? enough of people who cant differentiate!!

There is NO ARAB COMPROMISE on Jerusalem or the right of return. There is just some wishful thinking on the part of outsiders and some Arab propaganda hinting at compromise for the sole purpose of gaining Western pressure on Israel for withdrawals. The Arab leadership doesn't want compromise and is too afraid to compromise anyway. All they are offering is to allow the Jews to live if they cave in.

We could then have Israeli state there.

What ever Egypt offered Israel for the Sinai it was never delivered. We have no peace with Egypt and many Israeli want the Sinai back. We can offer a part of the Sinai for relocating Arabs in Israel.

At the time when Olmert was wheeling and dealing trying to stave off his indictment the opposition was quite clear that it would not be bound by Olmert's concessions (which Abbas unequivocally rejected). Now the PA has to deal with Israel's current government.

everyone is well aware of the whole "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" thing, so is mubarak being sarcastic here, or what?

BBSnews is right, of course. But I fear the Israeli PM will never remove even one "settler" from the W. Bank. He doesn't think he can politically survive peace. Rabin found he couldn't even survive a move towards peace. No Jewish extremists?

Tensions in the US are at a tipping point also with many Americans one step away from protest- ing in the streets and outside of Israeli embassies. Not to mention the boycotts against Israeli n place if there isn't progress soon and the double standard of giving Israeli students Carte blanc in the US while Palestinians can't even travel from town to town without ID, etc. This will be lifted up before the American peo- ple as another shocking injustice in Israel In addition, I heard a noted Israeli observer say today there is no need to uproot anyone per se--the army can just notify residents when they plan to withdraw and he proposed 80%-90% percent of the residents will leave on their own and those who wish to stay can apply for Palestinian citizenship This is how other colonial powers have handled their withdrawal also There should be no big deal made about relocating people either. It's time they made it on their own. Dutch

The right of return of Palestinian refugees into Israel is a non-starter, yes. But Arabs and even Palestinians know that. Arab mentality gives much weight to Karameh, to their sense of "honor". They have climbed for 62 years the tree of "refugeedom" and their Karameh (or ego) can't just do away with it. So a symbolic adjustment can be found. It exists in a very fine way in the Geneva Initiative by Yossi Beilin and Yasser Abed Rabbo. Israel declares sympathy with the refugees' plight (despite the fact that Arab states themselves continue to nurture the "refugeedom" of Palestinians, who really suffer in their camp-cities in Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, etc.) and then they either become assimilated in those countries as normal citizens, or they come back to the Palestinian state in numbers that are assimilable by its real economic, ecological and other conditions, like Israel absorbed Aliyah. Such a solution is not outrageous, but fair. And it doesn't mean a suicide.

BBS-you may be on target..but simultaneously Palestinians WARN of trouble at the holy site in Jerus. and create the atmosphere of confrontation that could lead to another intifada. As Israeli Police keep right wingers of temple mount and normative jews flock and flood the city and the Western wall...small clashes bred by Palestinian calls to "protect" their Holy Compound from infiltration might be the match that will start the fire.

..implement the by the Egyptians signed agreements in that Sadat-Carter deceit and rip-off in which Israel has been "processed" all right..but in which the real "Peace" is missing. Israel gave all for (almost) nothing. Where is normalization, economic/cultural/touristic exchanges, full-stop of incitement in the media and anti-Israel diatribes from religious and political sources, stop all boycotts, stop all anti-Israel expressions in international circles (UN etc.) and much more!

30 years later mubarak it is dead in the water what chance with the pa ?? none at all !!!

...everyone knows the rough parameters of a final status agreement, it is '67 borders, East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza Strip comprises the nascent Palestine with some agreed on variations, including a right to return that actually stands at about 20-40,000, not the millions falsely and loudly claimed by the wingnuts. All done in line with UN resolutions, the Arab Peace Initiative and past agreements with Hamas in tow having agreed as long as there is an affirmative vote in a Palestinian referendum. And after all, if reports are to be believed, there will be a Fatah-Hamas reconciliation on October 22, 2009. According to an MIT scientist's earlier writings, I predict Israel is about to up the violence ante, as usual.

Israel wants Palestinians to live up to the agreements made in the past. "While the hawkish Netanyahu says he is not bound by any concessions his more dovish predecessor made" Enough said.

The Palestinians think that they need a tougher leader to make the same demands from Israel. They don't get it. Whether they are represented by Abbas, Bin Laden or Attila the Hun their POSITIONS (land plus flood of refugees) are not acceptable.

The 1967 borders and a right of return will not fly with Israelis. No chance. Not possible. So if Mubarak believes that the peace process can't take another failure but he insists they continue, he and the Arabs had best become realistic NOW.

What Mubarak said:"peace process can't take another failure" What Mubarak meant:"when will the Jews finally accept suicide and disappear?"