Lieberman on Dubai assassination: Arabs always blame Israel

Very different standards for Israel. All intelligence services use false passports. But it is one thing for the British MI6, or the Canadian RCMP, or the French SDECE, or the German BND, to give CIA, for example, 10 blank passports, the numbers backstopped in their own MFA to certify their legitimacy, if they are asked. CIA would fill in names DOB etc., (all in alias) and photos they wish.These would allow CIA officers to travel in areas where it is too risky for Americans, or travel to meet an agent in a hostile area. Allied services do that for each other. But for Israel to forge, or steal, passports from friendly nations and go out and kill someone using them, is not action that will endeavor foreign services to cooperate with Israel. In fact, those services may seek revenge. But Israel seems to have got used to being a rogue nation, violating others sovereignty, and being in violation of international law. And they call the enemies they create, anti-semitic.

I should have qualified my challenge to you to find one single reference to CIA killing 6 Million people, I should have said "reputable" sources. Given your obvious propensity, dont waste our time with quotes from the likes of Hugo Chavez, Philip Agee, Fidel Castro, Aldrich Ames, John Stockwell, Osama bin Laden, Kim Philby or Ahmadinejad.

Since Dubai does not recognize Israel? What a good post I missed sorry Voice of-- REASON. The FACT is nothing has really been proven it was OUR MOSSAD whe are professional when they carry out their difficult jobs on every occasion. The numbers of so-called DAUBAI affair numbers has almost reached(in desperation) by Dubais to nearly 30 woweee. I call this a sort of,or akin to,the Pals and their PALLYWOOD exercise. Good to read your post..but watch out someone is tring to get to you,but you can SWATT he lke A PESKY FLY

None of those states wave the flag of democracy or indeed have access or privilages to other states and government officials and agencies as the Israelis enjoy and this all must be taken seriously into consideration based on not only the breech of Dubai's sover- eign rights but Syria and Lebanon and other states' rights Israel has violated. It seems to me Dubai is just the tip of the Iceberg and a more thor- ough investigation must be carried out by the UN and the Security Council first.....Dutch

Eric, While I agree both parties are guilty of terrible crimes I believe one has to keep steadfastly in mind what fuel this violence day afer day-- and that remains Israel's continued unlawful presence across the Green Line in defiance of international law in the Palestinian territories. Thus Palestinian resistance and violence becomes lawful under the law. Yet, I realize violence in of itself is wrong but not when it comes to defending one homeland at gunpoint point (which is the case in the territories) thus the law recognizes Palestinian acts of self defense. This is what I find so utterly annoying today about the cowardliness of world leaders and specifically about the EU and UN leaders & human rights groups such as Amnesty International and others who attempt to place Palestinian resistance and violence on the same footing as Israel?s as if they were equal and now instead of taking stiff measures and the bull by the horns in this case they are focusing on false pass- ports. Well, we all know the passports are but an outward symptom of this whole unrest and unlawfulness and more much more serious steps must be taken to end it. Such as the curtailing of diplomatic privilages and economic boycotts on the part of the EU and the Arabs states. Hence I cannot accept your lesser of two evils also as I see it as more bowing down to the same lawlessness of Israeli violence . However, I am glad to see we both agree this conflict must end. I would just like to add --let?s call for more definitive steps to help bring it about. Your admirer, usually, Dutch ( but not in this case.)

Eric, While I agree both parties are guilty of terrible crimes I believe one has to keep steadfastly in mind what fuel this violence day afer day-- and that remains Israel's continued unlawful presence across the Green Line in defiance of international law in the Palestinian territories. Thus Palestinian resistance and violence becomes lawful under the law. Yet, I realize violence in of itself is wrong but not when it comes to defending one homeland at gunpoint point (which is the case in the territories) thus the law recognizes Palestinian acts of self defense. This is what I find so utterly annoying today about the cowardliness of world leaders and specifically about the EU and UN leaders & human rights groups such as Amnesty International and others who attempt to place Palestinian resistance and violence on the same footing as Israel?s as if they were equal and now instead of taking stiff measures and the bull by the horns in this case they are focusing on false pass- ports. Well, we all know the passports are but an outward symptom of this whole unrest and unlawfulness and more much more serious steps must be taken to end it. Such as the curtailing of diplomatic privilages and economic boycotts on the part of the EU and the Arabs states. Hence I cannot your lesser of two evils also as I see it as more bowing down to the same lawlessness of Israeli violence . However, I am glad to see we both agree this conflict must end. I would just like to add --let?s call for more definitive steps to help bring it about. Your admirer, usually, Dutch ( but not in this case.)

The nations below do not recognize Israel. Does your comment mean that Israel can violate their sovereignty at will, and use their territory as killing grounds and offer no explanations? If Israel does use their sovereign territory as killing grounds and those nations complain by taking Israel to the International Criminal Court in the Hague, will Israel brand them as anti-semitic? Algeria, Chad, Comoros, Djibouti, Guinea, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia, Bolivia, Cuba, Venezuela, Republic of China, North Korea, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen, United Arab Emirates., Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Pakistan. Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia

LOL,I think it would be safe to say,from your comment,that you would be safe from the terrorist next door in your hotel room..actually probably safe from anyone next door..too funny..

Look here Helen dear,if you are trying to be funny,that's fine by me. But if you are being serious I take umbrage if indeed the Mossad had operated tis latest which is suspect and NOT PROVEN anyway. Who ever did it,kudos to them. Only the damn terrorists was killed,and not one other single person injured/maimed to the point that not even one person noticed it. Praisworthy indeed.Unlike the islamofascists who kill and murder as many as they are able even EACH OTHER so-called brothers in faith. Put your fingers on the wright key board and stop your nonsensical imagination running WILD. I do however,think you were trying to be amusing? I do not appreciate this type of AMUSEMENT sorry

and while i agree that the conflict should be ended and a palestinian state created, ONE way or ANOTHER, and that israel is on a path that's contrary to the ideal the world once envisioned because of its occupations and settlements, and the oppressive policies it utilizes to maintain them...the assassination in dubai, IF israel did it, is a sideline event that's incidental to the real problems, and isn't really worthy of being included with them as an issue. it's certainly not "cool", but then neither was he... and besides, if israel DID do it, then it was going to be done regardless, and i'd much rather it be done the way it was, than with a 2000lb bomb that also takes out 20-30 members of his family with him. call it the lesser of two evils...IF israel did it.

No one else is stealing their neighbors land today and arresting \ and killing those who oppose their unlawfulness and covering up their crimes and standing in the way of peace...... All this needs to stop and this conflict must be taken out of Israeli\ and Americand hands otherwise Israel needs to be shut down asa symbol of human misery & injustice. Quite the opposite of why it was created in 1948. .I know plenty of people who will sign their name to this now. Dutch

Malon. Tiny, Israel has a long ARM. The Apple of God's Eye. Dagan will not travel becos Malon says so. Dear Malon, read James Hadley Chase. Then.. "Tell it to the birds".

Of coz the IDF is not to blame. The law of the land says "innocent till proven guilty..beyond reasonable doubt." Now anyone with proof, kindly show the evidence. Not the namecalling. Arabs cd hv done it too. Ever heard of "honor killings"? Thats done by members of the SAME household. Let alone to foreign statesmen. Repeat: ANYONE cd have done it. In that connection, "Arabs always blame Israel"...without givin proof.

Argue yr points like a gentleman. Cheap clowns are good at namecalling.

you are right, you will get away with murder. i wonder how long you think you wil get away with it. after all these gov'ts can't last forever, and the people are becoming more desperate. you see the gov'ts will nt be able to control the billion sof people on this planet for much longer, the people are waking up. so tuck your horn back under your cap so as to not be seen by the angry mobs.

That they resort to it,by continuously calling Lieberman as the Moldovan bouncer,is nothing but what gives the LEFISTS like Esther(nevermind C.L)who is not an Israeli,but Esther shoud know better.But then what does one expect from their likes? On one of my posts(here or elsewhere)I pointed out when the Jewish Russian immigrants came to Israel--who were professors and acadmics had to sweep the roads because no work was available. had to wait with dignity before acquiring the work they left behind.Same applies to Lieberman.SOUR GRAPES by to aformentioned who delight in denigrating out FM can go jump in the DIRTY river they are swimming in.

Leo I went to delete some of my posts the Bradley's forum and what do I see? The majority of the Israel bashers went scot free while some of moderates like us were DELETED BY THE MODERATORS.Why I know not. Funny if it wasn't pathetic. Me? didn't bother me in the slightest but wondered what I had said. next time I will save my responses and act accordingly.To the point yes Israel is always to be blamed while the rest run riots with freedom. The Dubai incident is gettin to be a bit too boring.How long will they regurgitate it? The damn terrorist got his comeuppance END of story. Innocent until proven guiltly should be the correct assumption.Even if it was the Mossad would they need 11 people to carry the work? Not at all. it is all a load of trashy BULL. Incidently I did write(not deleted)was the fact the CIA heve killed at least 6 million over the years and I pointed it out to Bradley to devote some of his time to write on this subject. If he has the GUTS that is.

there is no proof against the mossad. the uae is putting out contradictory statements.

first of all, there's apparently enough circumstantial evidence to warrant caution over the passport issue, considering all the fuss being exhibited by the europeans over this whole affair. and your citing causes of death mentioned in media reports is moot, since early media reports always tend to result from assumption, rumor and vague interpretations of sketchy details. suffice to say, however, that there's enough credible evidence to lead to the involvement of interpol, and again, the consternation of the european nations over the issue of the passports. there may not be any concrete evidence against the mossad cipora, but there are enough questions over the passport issue to warrant the european union issuing a note of caution to its citizens.

How many fake passports do your operatives have and use? But of course a different standard for Israel.

True, but it is not Lieberman's invention. Read Egyptian writer Usef-as-Sibai novell "Land of Hypocracy" where he is making fun of Arab polititians.

EU governemens are not (yet) in charge of the inquiry on the Dubai assessination. For this reason, they cannot accuse the Mossad. Only the Dubai police is in charge of the inquiry. So obviously, it will be up to an Arab Police corp to accuse whoever committed the murder. If Israel cannot accept to be accused by an Arab country, the case will have to be forwarded to the UN. In the UN, the classic veto procedures will proceed. As the head of Mossad is deemed instrumental to a proper handling of anything linked with Iran, a veto will be issued, protecting the information surrounding the Dubai Murder Case : One more mystery in the Middle-East. Covering up a murder on the ground that one person is essential to the handling or Iran actually means that someone decided a state of exception in world affairs on this issue, i.e. someone has already decided that a war has already started with Iran. The real Dubai Murder Case Mystery is : WHO has decided that a war already started with Iran?

Unless you mean that every Hamas leader is a terrorist. Would you propose that the Mossad hunt down the 150 or so in Damascus? Then the Hellfire missiles can take out the 500 or so who survived Cast Lead. Add to that the thousand or so who are already in Israeli prisons.

During Operation Wrath of God, the Mossad's death squad unit, Caesarea/Kidon, assassinated between 20 and 33 Palestinians who they claimed perpetrated the Munich Massacre. Twenty years later, the chief of the Mossad at the time, Zvi Zamir, admitted that only one of those assassinated actually had anything to do with Munich. The goal of the operation was to increase the price any Palestinian would pay for joining the Palestinian leadership. Munich was a pretext. The definitive book on the Mossad's terror campaign, Striking Back, concludes that any PLO operative wandering unprotected around the Europe was as good as a genuine terrorist for that purpose. The same is true about Hamas today. FYI, the mastermind of Munich, Mohammed Abu Daoud, returned home to Ramallah after Oslo and lives there now in retirement. All three Black September terrorists who survived the shootout in Munich are alive and well today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God

"Mark Lincoln...what about the Pals who were arrested? They are Fatah. Dahlan's men." - Lynn Quite interesting they were providing support for a Mossad operation. I don't have enough information to know exactly what support they were providing. "Do you think there may be something to that? There could be mercenaries who would murder for the right money." - Lynn I see that Israel and Fatah have a common enemy. I also see that this could destroy Fatah as a viable political force in Palestine. I don't know Lynn. We may never know. But it appears that Israel and Fatah, and perhaps a single Hamas individual, were in cahoots for this operation.

When this story first broke, I am told, there was a lot of wink, wink, smile going on in Israel. The 'joke' was Israel had done it again. Then, somehow, the whole thing turned into an embarrassment. I must confess I have NO problem with Israel whacking a top terrorist. I do question whether the damage done was worth the pleasure of whacking him. I also cannot understand why denial is a big issue about this matter. The 'Friends of Israel no matter what' sorts seem to have a desperate need to deny what is blatantly clear given the evidence the Dubai police and European intelligence agencies have determined. Why have they suddenly chosen to go defensive? Shouldn't they be offensive asserting Israel's right to kill anyone anywhere? May I state why I think this has happened? Either Mossad screwed up royally, or the operation was deliberately compromised. I know what I suspect, but then my first suspicion was that this was a false-flag operation intended to embarrass Israel.

"dont we love the logic of avigdor lieberman?" - Sam What logic? Logic is the use of principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration. It is a method of formal reasoning. I have never seen an instance when Avigdor Lieberman or an of his followers engaged in logic. "The response to anti-semitism isn`t anti-arabism." - Sam As both are equally false anti-Semitism and anti-Arabism are equally invalid. Anti-Semitism is hostility and discrimination against Jews for no reason aside from their being Jews. Anti-Arabism is the same different only in having as it's irrational hate object Arabs. Avigdor Lieberman is a sad example of the worst of humanity. A man who's whole life is dedicated to inciting hatred and suffering so that he might gain.

..seem to delight in referring to Lieberman as a bouncer,in a derogatory fashion. Why is that? He had a job...worked...survived like we all have to do to put food on the table. Now,like it or not,he's the FM of Israel! Not bad. We don't see him on here making inane comments from his computer desk,like some pencil necked nerds whose names I wouldn't want to mention. Cheers

what has happened since the zionists came to palestine in the 19th century? ? what has happened to the people who lived already and always there? who must blame who and the other way round? what did we learn from history already and what can we learn still more from history? what if the zionists were palestinians and the other way round? and how would the rest of the world react to the zionists-palestinians conflict? both peoples will not go away and will have to learn to live together on that territory of about 26000 km2 as other peoples also live together in one country. i think the borders of the countries of the world will remain to exist for the time being. i also favor a world without countries-borders, but we also have to accept certain realities in life.

Ireland did not support Nazi Germany in WWII. Neither did Ireland support Britain. The Treaty of 1922 was reluctantly accepted by the Irish under the threat of "immediate and terrible war" by the British. Acceptance resulted in an 18 month Civil War in which the pro-treaty side were supplied with arms by the British. By the outbreak of WWII, the anti-treaty side had been elected to power. They concluded that a majority of the population would not support entering the war on the British side and that another Civil War might ensue. Ireland declared neutrality, albeit with a bias towards the British side eg. weather reports were broadcast in clear, downed Allied air crew were usually given a lift to the NI border and handed over. Frequently the only delay was for a square meal - steak, potatoes and 2 veg, milk and butter. German aircrew were interned. The British stance in WWII was merely a continuation of policy since Tudor times - oppose the strongest European power (Germany in WWII).

To describe what happened in Limerick in 1905 as a pogrom is to grossly overstate the case. There a boycott of Jewish businesses and intimidation but no significant violence. Jews left Limerick but were welcomed in Cork. The view of a member of a prominent Jewish family was as follows: Joe Briscoe, son of Robert Briscoe, the Dublin Jewish politician, describes the Limerick episode as ?an aberration in an otherwise almost perfect history of Ireland and its treatment of the Jews?. Robert Briscoe was a prominent member of the IRA during the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War. He was sent by Michael Collins to Germany in 1920 to be the chief agent for procuring arms for the IRA. Briscoe proved to be highly successful at this mission and arms arrived into Ireland in spite of the British blockade. Robert Briscoe and his son Ben sucessively held a seat in the Irish parliament for a continuous total of 75 years. They owed their election predominantly to non Jews.

Chris, Why would you be worried about Irish or Brittish or German or French citizens traveling to the ME or the rest of the world for legitimate reasons with their European passports??????if the rest of the world seems to respect human rights and international law...what's the problem?

what about flying El Al?

... that after identifying the only thing that seems to bother them (the hitmen had fake passports) was taken care of: The target had five fake passports on him at the time.

out of his own pocket if it WAS Israel that conducted this op. Ha, ha. Just kidding.

...waving flags and a brass band, was it a full band? Any Good? No seriously, I've been following the issue for a while where is the article where Israeli Politicians are Triumphant and "After all, you all but openly took credit" Secondly, why is "understandable" that in certain instances Arab will be ok to Always Blame Israel? Does their exist instances where it iwill be Understandable for Israel to Always Blame Arabs? or Always Blame Palestinians? Personally, it should never be "understandable" to always blame one person, group, nationality etc... for a problem, this is how really really really bad things start, or boil over into really really worse things

Firstly, Labhras, you shouldn't come to Canada, the polite manner of many Canadians seems to shock you, evidenced by Ilwas post. I think, like most rational people on this site, that when she said Come Here, she didn't mean Canada, she meant cyberspace, like Haaretz Talkback for this article. Perhaps, since the majority understood her, that prooves, by your own filthy faulty logic, that you are stupud and slow (it doesn't so don't go a crying on me eh) Now, onto the real point, your assertion of, critiquing Ilya, such that her point didn't need to deal with facts. So perhpas you can advise me how your posts on the topic of the dubai assisination of scumb, is deeply entrenched in fact. notably, the part where you say: MOST LIKELY WITHOUT ANY PROOF. Hmm. what's that word again, oh yes Hypocrisy. Thanks so much for your astute observations, how about you unspin yourself. alwayslearning@live.ca

I was planning to visit Dubai but now i am afraid to go there because my next door in the hotel might be a terrorist. Dubai must arrest criminals at their airport before they enter.

ELLY @ #191 I happened to read about this incident as part of a history project. There was no 'pogrom' in Limerick. May I enlighten you as to the facts. The facts are that a Jewish businessman bought up some slum buildings in the city which he rented out to poor families. When they defaulted on the rent this man would evict them and all their earthly belongings out on the street. There was outrage, as this level of punitive sanction by a landlord was rare in Ireland at the time. The local parish priest then whipped up a groundswell of opposition and animosity against the methods of said Jewish businessman and he was chased out of the city. 'hope you've learned something today Elly !

There was nothing fake about the British citizens with their British passports who murdered 3 and wounded 50 citizens on April 30, 2003 at the entrance to Mike's Place, a pub in Tel Aviv. Did Britain or the whole EU condemn this use of real British citizens with real British passports to murder and maim innocent citizens? Did they? Britain and the USA are both heavily involved in the regular assassination of terrorists, which includes collateral damage, i.e., the murder of innocent bystanders. The commander of the German Army in Afghanistan ordered an air attack on over 150 women and children mulling around a tanker stolen by the Taliban. And the world is upset about the demise of one Hamas assassin and arms dealer? Blaming Israel without one iota of proof? What hypocrisy!

Lieberman isn't saying: WE DIDN'T DO IT. Lieberman is saying: YOU CAN'T PROVE WE DID IT. It doesn't take long to work out the implications of that distinction. Ol' Fiskie at the Independent says that the Dubai police know a lot more than they have so far announced, and they are deliberately dribbling out the news. Can I suggest that they are doing that to make a few Israelis sweat - Dagan in particular. This has got a LOOOONG way to go yet, and Lieberman's bombast is going to come back to haunt him.

Hey Rich Port even an ignorant like you can come to such a conclusion. Better think that Fattah is the biggest enemy of Hamas that wanted him dead for a long time and they actually did the world good - one terrorist less out of the equation.

first of all, there's apparently enough circumstantial evidence to warrant caution over the passport issue, considering all the fuss being exhibited by the europeans over this whole affair. and your citing causes of death mentioned in media reports is moot, since early media reports always tend to result from assumption, rumor and vague interpretations of sketchy details. suffice to say, however, that there's enough credible evidence to lead to the involvement of interpol, and again, the consternation of the european nations over the issue of the passports. there may not be any concrete evidence against the mossad cipora, but there are enough questions over the passport issue to warrant the european union issuing a note of caution to its citizens.

brits. Does that not bother you. Do you place a higher value on Isreali lives. Would you have the guts to state that to your fellow brits to their face. There is name for people like you--and it aint comrade.

In response to Colin Wright. They are the foreign Ministers of there countries who's passports where used in the murder of a man who was not afforded a trial. To call them anti-semtics is absurbed. Your FM lieberman is a total racist. Mr Martin was refused entry to the Gaza to inspect the holocaust done to the Palestinians. Your FM Liberman is allowed into Europe, We have nothing to hide.

"The Mossad got a lot of free publicity on this one." utagawa I doubt Mossad will be wanting all that publicity. But you wont notice--you will be too busy getting over the shock of having been so wrong. Enjoy---I know I will.

Israel just assassinated someone who was not given the benefit of a trial and you demand one. get real Lynn---your hypocracy is so palpable it reeks. Dont demand that which you deny others.

Why do Israelis have a pathological need to rubbish all Arab countries and repeat that tired old chestnut 'Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East' Some of us Europeans have experience of living in a Middle East Arab country - I lived in Oman for two years-and I found it to be a very impressive place. Significant oil wealth,state of the art infrastructure, happy, friendly,kind, welcoming people. Nor do they need to be financed by another country to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars per year, like Israel is by the US. Plus one felt very safe living there. As for your rubbishing of Iran.... Well you're (deliberately ?) confusing the good people of Iran with its regime. and you know it.

Forgery and Theft are CRIMES! Pointing to crimes has absolutely nothing to do with semitism or anti-semitism!

the " tikk as 2 planks " theory . he is concerned that another terrorist met his end in the usual manner, and that dubai,s keystone cops "couldnt catch a cold ". 99% = sfa

It criticizes the use of false passports but fails to cite appalling Israel's violations in states' sovereign rights by committing extra-judicial killing across its border. That ought to be cited there and condemned harshly.. What is wrong with those leaders. This is atrocious killing by Mossad and they ought to be putting their foot down where it counts also. Dutch

Israelis think that they are great navigators between the thuggish behaviour of a rogue state on one hand and the wish to be part of what they would see as Europe and the West and the civilised world on the other.

"After the meeting, the British foreign secretary said that he told Lieberman that Israel needs to cooperate with the investigation launched by Dubai into the assassination of a Hamas official using forged European passports." Actually, Israel needs to do no such thing. Perhaps the Foreign Secretary is not aware that British forces were driven out in 1947 and that Israel is no longer a British mandate. Israel is not obliged by British prejudices and press clamor to do anything at all.

The Mossad got a lot of free publicity on this one.

It's surprising because the investigation and progress reports of the Dubious Dubai police are something you'd expect to see from a banana republic, but Dubai doesn't produce bananas. "If the Police was "really" investigating the crime, there would have been secrecy to protect the investigation rather than hourly media events.. Since when you "know" the outcome before the do the reaserch. The way this Police Chief is behaving demonstrates that he is: 1) Trying to show-off 2) Following a political agenda. I vote for 2 If he does not produce the proofs, he should be tried for defamation."

Israel has nothing to apologise to Ireland. Ireland should apologise for supporting Nazi Germany during WW2.Also for the Limerick pogroms.

who cares what you think.... one big baddie is no longer being a big baddie...sounds good to me.

In this case, understandably. After all, you all but openly took credit. Someday, you may work out that subtlety is a family value. You all but announce you carried out the killing with waving flags and a brass band -- and then try to act aggrieved that others are taking you at your word.

who were arrested? They are Fatah. Dahlan's men. Do you think there may be something to that? There could be mercenaries who would murder for the right money.

you are making unsupported accusations.

doesn't make you right. You're much too emotionally attached to the anti-Israel screed to be an objective person.

Well,I've waited another couple of hours and nobody's provided anything hard. I'll take the answer to be a no. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

Strange that the Europeans where not bothered by "fake passports " when Masud was murdered in Afgnanistan 2 days before 9/11.(belgian passports) or with the Rainbow Warrior(french passports) or when Ira members were slaughtered in the streets of Gibraltar...The funny thing is that all secret services( 27 European countries) applaud the Israeli action in Dubai.

would be nice if there was some actual facts of involvement before the blame game starts. You all scream about the law, none of you are actually abiding by the "innocent until proven guilty" part of the law. Very ignorant.

Nati 182. Your logic is interesting. 1. Dubai harbours "terrorists" 2.Israel can kill "terrorists" wherever it chooses regardless of the law 3.Conclusion: Israel can kill in Dubai Hmm in that the case the following is also true: 1. Hamas can also kill "terrorists"regardless of the law. 2. Israel harbours "terrorists" 3.Conclusion Hamas can kill Israeli's in Israel. Not a lot of difference is there between the two positions? As soon as you abandon law you place yourselves at the same level as the "terrorists."

Poor Chris. You simply can't stand it that Israel continues to prosper while you languish in your hate and your silly little 'boycotts'. Nothing ever goes well for your hopes and wishes for Israel's demise, does it? As for your comment to @allan which reads, in part, "And I just love it when you insult me, means I is getting under your skin...Which makes me so ghappy", the joke's on you, fool. Were it not for the fact that Israel, its leaders and Jews get "under your skin", you wouldn't be so paralyzed by your OCD which dictates that you waste your life spewing your hate for us. It is YOU who lives every day with the misery of knowing that your insults and boycotts are hopelessly ineffective. And that makes us Jews so very "ghappy". As for "Well as my mother is Jewish I could actually make aliyah to Israel", don't be such a fool. You, with your daily postings of hatred for Israel, would stand about as much chance of being granted citizenship in Israel as Natallie Durson. Try Iran

I offered a qualified apology in direct response to poster who asked if Ireland would apologise if it transpired that Israel was "innocent". I am well aware of Israel's arrogant "no comment" policy on security operations - so your jumping the gun so to speak.Nonetheless, if it's proven that Israel hijacked the passports, infringed the sovereignty and endangered the lives of other nations we have every right to consider it a hostile act. You will be no doubt aware of Europe's economic importance to Israel so maybe a Israel should heed that, if nothing else. You trot out the tired, predictable and boring response that other countries don't also obey international law and offer it as some sort of excuse. It is not a valid argument whatsoever. The question remains that Israel is in serious breach of international law to an extent above and beyond almost any other nation. Defend it if you will, but don't side-step the issue.

Another two British passports have been declared suspect. If these two also contains the names of British?Israelis with dual nationality who haven't travelled abroad for years on their British passports, anyway. Things could get even more entertaining than they are already.

"What is the reason for coming here if you do not care what your opponent thinks, just to offend? I do not think being offensive ever solved any problems or built any bridges."ilya Ilya--if you take off your blinders you might notice a considerably higher level of offence coming from your side. when anyone of the so called humanists(eg--utawaga) shows some concern for the non Israeli Humans who had their safety compromised---???. Well why dont you address them. And you might try reading Channah S responses--if you are so concerned about the effect offensive behaviour has on achieving peace.

from that fact that its become a haven for terrorists such as Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. I highly doubt Dubai would be investigated for harboring and abetting the individual. Mahmoud al-Mabhouh has been wanted by the Israeli, Egyptian and Jordanian governments. Dubai invites such actions when it willingly harbors such ilk.

So if somebody points out the weakness of your argument you always cry that you are being attacked? What is the difference between you and people who always cry anti Semitism when their position is criticized then?

I'd say that Khalfan has missed a golden opportunity. If he claims that the suspects had been there for 1 year,he can use innuendo and insinuation to imply that not only is the present Israel government implicated,so is the previous one. Now if he'd gone the whole hog and claimed that the the suspects had been there for at least 63 years he could have implicated RVERY Israel government and the Hagganah as well. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

He could have answered, that Hamas is a terror organization, and the killed one was an arms trader. As there are so many cameras in Dubai EU should press Dubai to release who had faked the passport of the terrorist leader, and with whom he had already meetings in Dubai in his business of buying arms for a terrorist organization.

Would you mind providing a source stating Israel has denied its involvement in the Dubai case? You will have to search for ever simply because no such position has been taken by Israel. Israel has never denied, nor confirmed any involvement. Israel practices ambiguity in matters relating to Mossad, be it its own practices, or suspicions such as the case at hand. Regardless of what happens, you would not be able to call Israel a liar, simply because Israel never denied or confirmed its position. One would think that with allegations comes substantial proof. Clearly in this case, evidence is irrelevant. Emotions take precedence.

If Dubai doesn't like Israel using its territory as a terrorist killing ground, it ought to recognize Israel, establish diplomatic relations, and ask Israel to stop doing so. Until then, Israel owes Dubai nothing, no explanations and no ceasing of using Dubai territory as a killing ground.

Thats OK then, I don't need to worry. And I just love it when you insult me, means I is getting under your skin. Which makes me so ghappy. Haaretz and me? Well as my mother is Jewish I could actually make aliyah to Israel. I read Haaretz to get information on my future homeland.

Becuse it is better to keep our enemies guessing? Let them lie awake at night fretting. Is it Mossad (you can order "Don't mess with the Mossad" t shirts, would you like one?), is it Fatah, is it Hamas, The Iranins, The Saudis, The CIA. Business partners double crossed, you perhaps, me perhaps, the hot girl in a bikini. Say nothing keep them fretting and sweating, thats the name of the game.

The logic and suggestion of Mr. Montgomery is that Israel resorts to the same tactics of those with whom Israel is engaged in warfare with. His grievance regarding Israel and international law can be applied to any country on this planet, even the one you yourself reside in. Most notably, that statement applies to all countries who are engaged in the war against terror of some sort or another. Debate on International Law and the many obstacles it presents when in warfare with parties who do not adhere to it has already started. Israel is not above International Law, and had the Palestinians been under the hospice of any other country, their situation would have been worst, or have you conveniently forgotten of Black September? (The Palestinian death toll in 11 days of fighting was estimated by Jordan at 3,400, while Palestinian sources often cite the number 10,000 mainly civilians killed. It?s all a double standard!

I will say why we blame Israel for this.. Who can fake EU passports with real Israels names?? you choose El-Qedia,Fatah or Mossad. Who can fake original Israel documents with real names but fake photos?? Ben-Laden,KGB,or Mossad. 10 left the city same day then they did not show up again? r they innocent people??YES or NO!! Israel immigrants is the common parameter between 10 suspicious? what country you think they linked to? Afghanistan,Iraq,Israel. Are you trust Dubai police?for me Yes . Anyway as I said before Dubai will start to show everyday an evident (I think as ADV safety show for city)then they will put the bottom line with everything in news.

I must second Yariv's eloquent post to Chris. Lithwaite, your vendetta is against Israel and that is the bottom line. I cannot understand how someone of your ilk ever squirmed their way to the Haaretz site. What are you doing on this site? Most of us are Jews! (you may catch something). BWT, in your wildest dreams would YOU be considered a Mossad 'spy' on your precious British passport. You'd be lucky to be mistaken for a troglodyte.

Day after day goes by and still nothing that incriminates Mossad and the Israel Government. Still just the same innuendo and insinuation based on conjecture by a hostile Dubai policeman. Looks like they're flogging a dead horse. I dare say this farce will keep me entertained until spring. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

"45% of land while the Jews (minority) get 55%" This is not the Jews fault. UN seperated like that. Israel had accepted. IF...THEN...". Whats done is done and we have to take it from here. Compromise has two parts. Israel has offered in "2000 half of Jerusalem, %95 percent of WB and 200000 Arabs to return back to Israel. " What they want was to return 4.5 million Arabs to Israel which is unacceptable. There are 2.5 million Arabs now today in Israel. I am asking to every sane person, could you compromise this condition that it means the end of Jewish state. "You have to face the fact that Muslims aren`t going to get tired of the status quo and just say" If we do not think to face the fact that Muslims won't give up, how can we declare the independence of Israel. Arabs for 60 years are trying to anihilate Israel. Every hot war costed to them a great destruction. The bottom line is we want peace and ready to make. I want a reasonable Arab leader who wants to make a clean peace. Aby

What evidence? All suspects used fraudulent passports not counterfeit. Counterfeit is an imitation of something. Whereas fraudulent is obtaining something with a deceitful manner. Which is the case here, using personal information of unsuspecting Israelis who hold dual citizenship to fraudulently obtain the passports. Is that a coincidence? Who would have such detailed information about those people whose identities have been stolen? C?MON MAN

If Israel was NOT behind the assassination, why not simply say so? The obvious answer is that all of these Israeli politicians know full well that Mossad was behind the hit, and don't want to be the one caught out in an outright lie.

If the Police was "really" investigating the crime, there would have been secrecy to protect the investigation rather than hourly media events.. Since when you "know" the outcome before the do the reaserch. The way this Police Chief is behaving demonstrates that he is: 1) Trying to show-off 2) Following a political agenda. I vote for 2 If he does not produce the proofs, he should be tried for defamation.

The least liked battle. You may think the USA runs this planet---but that serves only to demonstrate your disconnection from reality. That and your childish name calling. "Israel, according to the survey, stood out as having not only the largest number of respondents express a negative opinion about it, but also majorities in the greatest number of countries -- 23 out of 27. Iran was regarded unfavorably in 21 countries, and the U.S. and North Korea in 20 out of the 27." Hear read for youself and note that even Iran came in looking better. Listen and learn CM. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0307-04.htm

"you cant just kick them out" We didn't kick them out, they had flew. In 1948 before they had attacked, whole Arab world was telling to native Arabs, to make room for Jewish genoside, they flew away with the intension to return back. when Israel was about going to win the war the native Arabs was afraid of that Israel would do the same for what they were thinking. Those who does not flew away now is living in Israel. Other wise how can it be 2.5 million Arabs now in Israel? "YOU or many of the Israelis today who live there, it was Jews 2000 years ago". How can not be me? For every generation 2000 years every Jew my father my grand father me and my son in every Passover pray to the God, this year we are in exile slave, next year in Jerusalem we are going to be free. If it is not this bond how can exist Israel. Not me but the whole Jews belong here, it is our destiny to be here. I doubt you can understand what I am saying. Aby

Who do you think he is talking to? Some highly educated Europeans or some bozos causing hell in a strip club.

"You are so offensive that not even Israel bashers on thesee forums answer your posts."ChannahS I am sure all those folks who oppose Israel,s actions/policies will become your bosom buddies as a result of being called Israel Bashers. Incidentally, we so called Israel bashers have little need to respond to each others posts. We are dealing in facts--that removes the need to "pat each other on the back and lend support.

dont we love the logic of avigdor lieberman? The response to anti-semitism isn't anti-arabism.

What a pathetic comment from the bouncer. It turns out all Arabs are not fools and the Dubai police were able to sort out the immense CCTV coverage and nail down the operatives. Worse, the operatives used cell phones and credit cards. Now Lieberman is trying to weasel out of it. I would say 'be a man' but I doubt if he knows how.

Too quick to condemn the allegation, Mr Lieberman. Because he says so, that makes all evidence worthless? It's supposed to. Has he heard the evidence and asked to SEE it? No. WHo could and would kill him in such a way? Well, Mossad springs to mind, and also er... er...oh CIA dupes. I'd be an idiot to think otherwise, so lets find some evidence, if it exists, Mr Leiberman, or don't you care? Apparently not. h and let's not forget all the other denials and despicable acts we ALLREADY know about.

"Israel offends most people on this planet." So now you are speaking for most of the planet. It's a joke, but it's on you, as this statement is so out of touch with reality - one that only a loser could have the gall to make. Unless of course you are representing the radical Mulsims of this world who are out to destroy Israel (not all of course - I have met Indonesian Muslims who wish they could come visit in Israel and railed against their government for dabbling in ridiculous politics). You are so offensive that not even Israel bashers on thesee forums answer your posts.

"Remember the times when majority was outraged with the idea of Earth being a sphere? Or times when majority thought that Sun orbits Earth?" Ilya Is that meant to be a contribution. I understand the difficulty of defending the indefnsible---attack the messenger---much easier approach---dont have to deal with facts. Gee I do hope you are not overly offended. "What is the reason for coming here "Ilya here??.

I think the denial is inherent in being constantly on a "war footing". Israeli's are used to seeing themselves as besieged. All perspective is lost, reason goes out the window. Acts are justified that no one rationally would endorse, and the "world" or "anti semitism " is blamed instead. The really sad part from my perspective is that what Israel is doing is ultimately harming itself, as well as others- breaking legitimate laws are a Pandora's box.I have no doubt but rational reasonable Israeli's will rue the day they assented vocally or quietly to this behavour.

Note, Lieberman said "no proof". He didn't say "no involvement". David

"Don`t know about you but I find that state of affairs unacceptable. For better or worse we are not the ones calling the shots. As I have stated previously there will be no ramifications because these countries spy agencies have committed passport fraud. They can not dictate to other nations when their own shit stinks. Furthermore behind closed doors and away from the cameras they are relieved one less mass terrorist is six feet under. The operation was a success and im sure a bit of jealousy is not the reason for the outcry.

claims that all Jews applying for Israeli passports must turn in the passports they hold from other countries. Where in the world does he get such an idea? Has he never heard of dual citizenship? And his facts are wrong. My cousin, born in the US and married to an Israeli, holds two passports, one from Israel and the other from the US. She goes to the consulate in Jerusalem to renew her US passport (suffering the abuse leveled on her by the Arabs working there -- no US citizens working at the consulate, except MAYBE the consul.

The reason they not denying it, is cause they sitting there petrified about what?s coming next out of Dubai.. They know who did it, don?t let Eivet fool you.

I personally will have no problem apologising to Israel if its shown they did'nt abuse irish passports, endanger our citizens, breach international law, violate our sovereignty etc etc. One condition only: Israel denies outright it's involvement in Dubai, denies outright abusing our passports, denies completely the involvement of Mossad,co-operates fully with an international investigation, agrees to extradite anyone found responsible in any way whatsoever for this debacle. Do all that and if at the end of it, Israel comes out squeaky clean, I'll apologise. Somehow I don't think I'll need to.

oh please come on. We all know that it is Mossad who did it. And we all know that Europe will do nothing about it. It`s not like it is the first time it happened...all this is ridicule.

Why not arrest him and try in the court of law? This is stupid. As a former Jew who became a proud Moslem Iam ashamed.

Not all Brittons of course. But mostly Britons are great fun and very 'Fair play'

Whoever has a different opinion has to follow the key principle of jurisprudense. Come up with Proof. One is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty!!!

And Britain is 3rd what does that prove?

Remember the times when majority was outraged with the idea of Earth being a sphere? Or times when majority thought that Sun orbits Earth? What is the reason for coming here if you do not care what your opponent thinks, just to offend? I do not think being offensive ever solved any problems or built any bridges.

claiming the Palestinians dont want peace and enlessly pointing to the Hamas charter. The Likud charter belies all of Israel,s claims to wanting peace. There is a thread of continuity in Israel,s intentions vis a vis the Palestinians. Peace has never ben an option---it never will, until Israel is forced to or the demographic timebomb blasts it into the real world. I could care less which way it materialises as long as Palestinians get this yoke from around their necks---once and for all. Regards

This is meant for those in the discussion who bring up "anti-semitism" in connection with the European response! You should have seen the outrage here in the when Alexander Litivenko was murdered on UK soil presumably by Russian state-terrorists (or to go further back, the international outcry when French state-terrorists blew up the Rainbow Warrior in a New Zealand harbor, using Swiss passports). These were clearly not "anti-Russian" or "anti-French" sentiments, but a reaction to the violation of those other countries's sovereignty! What would you say if any country's (other than Israel of course) intelligence service would assassinate their enemies using Israeli passports? Would anyone go: "Oh yes that's fine with us!" I don't think so, so please only refer to "anti-semitism" when it actually is anti-semitism, otherwise you trivialise the issue! Before anyone asks, if Palestinian terrorists would use fake German passports for killing Israelis I would be equally upset!

-- My Aunt died of influenza, or so they said. But its my belief they done the old woman in. Lieberman: Done her in? EU: Yes, lord love you. Why should she die of influenza, when she come through diptheria right enough the year before. Fairly blue with it she was. They all thought she was dead. But my father, he kept ladling gin down her throat. Then she come to so sudden she bit the bowl right off the spoon.

In USA pols. When I read the Daily Times blog on the subject of the now dead murderer, I got a feeling that 95% of blogers are with Israel. YOU are a minority with attitude, and taking your words 'who cares what YOU think'

Does anyone take the UAE serious? Dubai is a joke, especially when it comes to law enforcement- take these 3 cases: 1)UAE refused to investigate the gang rape of a French teenage biy by several men, instead, they blamed the victim for being a homosexual "deviant" 2) The Russian killed a chechen leader, yet Dubai did NOTHING 3) A British couple was arrested for making out on the beach in Dubai, which claims it is a tourist hot-spot!! DUbai/UAE is an enemy country to Israel, therefore israel has NO need to answer its obviously biased and slanderous attacks against it in the World Media (which itself is hungry for anti-israel and anti-Jewish stories!). I think the EU should give it a rest! especially Ireland, which seems to already convict Israel without ANY proof! And what the heck does Egypt have to do with it? THE UAE is asking Egypt to scold Israel for Moles working in the PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY! - if this is not an Arab circus, i don't know what is!

Yariv read between the lines whatever you like. I am concerned with the fact that British passports which appear to be forged using the names of British Citizens who have dual nationality with Israel. I am also concerned about the wider implications to people travelling on British passports on legitimate business to the Middle East and the wider region. As of this moment quite legitimately anyone travelling on a British Passport may be suspected as being a Mossad spy. Don't know about you but I find that state of affairs unacceptable.

Yeah you see I dont understand that. Everytime you present a point that is backed by reason then what you get in response is a typical generalized statement or a one-liner that makes no point and no sense like what Wandering Jew wrote. But that is something i always questioned these ppl with. Why is it ok for Israel to not apply the same standards to itself as it insists that others abide by them. Astonishing hypocracy isn't it? How can one deal with that effectively?

"The point here is that even you say "most likely" without having any proof, yet you are already offended by Israel. As a human being, I`m offended by that!" Tough %hit---you think I care what a zionist apologist for the state that commits war crimes feels. If israel did not do the crime---then deny it. Israel offends most people on this planet. Which is why it is voted the least liked or trusted every year for the last 10 at least. Get used to feeling offended--or fight to make your beloved rogue state mend it,s ways.

OK Chris I wager that no punishment is handed out never mind the same as in 1987. However as you say lets wait and see. Anyway I am glad you are having so much fun.

David Ben Gurion, Israel?s first prime minister said to Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress in 1956: ?If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country ? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but WAS THAT THEIR FAULT? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?

investigation campaign is already underway and the accusations of anti semitism are being flung around and usual claims of victimhood. Note Israel will not deny categorically any involvement in this act of piracy. Gee, I wonder why. We should have a similar enquiry in Ireland France and Germany to keep the nighclub bouncer too busy to plan more of the same. Regards

involvement. "Lieberman reportedly said that there wasn't even one story indicating that Israel was implicated in the assassination. If anyone other than the Media would have claimed otherwise we would have addressed the issue, but as that there are no such allegations, there is no need to address it further." Simply state, "Israel had no hand in this act of piracy and misuse of the passports of citizens of sovereign states. Come on Lieberman---cut the ambiguity bs---did you or did you not. very simple really.

David says "ONLY Israeli intelligence would have access to the numbers of those British passports of those Britons living now in Israel, and don?t let anybody tell you otherwise." Methinks that it would not be a problem for British intelligence to know the passport numbers of British Israeli's and carry out a false flag operation in order to compromise Mossad. Likewise, Syrian/Iranian intelligence can request obtain the numbers from Muslims working at the passport issuing office. The late terrorist could have been skimming funds off the top and and punished for that whilst blaiming the Mossad. Dual nationals in Israel do not have to advise any Israeli officials of a new foreign passport.

We know that liberman thinks that he is the foreign minister of USSR in 1965. he did not landed yet. #3 you must be realy naive to beleive that Dubai police Dept. is working like the RCMP.

Israel does not even have a constitution, "since the Constituent Assembly and the first Knesset were unable to put a constitution together," reads a statement on the Israeli Parliament (Knesset)'s website. Furthermore, Israel does not have a bill of rights and has a history of legislating unequal civil rights, privileges and access to public funds. And its pursuit of a so-called "Jewish State" is an apparent discrimination against the non-Jewish.

"..all contact with Mossad ceased for 5 years" You surely have no evidence of that. Intelligence agencies between nations talk regularly and share data. You don't have a shred of evidence to back up your claim. Secondly much to your dismay this Dubai affair is quickly becoming passe. Sure Lieberman will have a tea and biscuit meeting with Millibrand. They will go thru their "political" meeting. There will be some half baked condemnation of fraudulant passport abuse or whatever bullshit just so some European nations can placate some of their "concerned" citizens so they feel their government actually gives a shit. Bottom line Chris you dont care about the passports your vendetta is against Israel. Save us your feign concern for those brits whose name were used. We read btw your lines.

The point here is that even you say "most likely" without having any proof, yet you are already offended by Israel. As a human being, I'm offended by that! "The point here is Israel most likely was behind this theft of passports of EU citizens thereby endangering their lives. Dont know about you---but as a European--I am offended by that ."

It hasn't finished playing out yet. Avigdor (the nightclub bouncer) Lieberman has not yet met David Milliband and we do not know what Milliband is going to say to Lieberman. We also still haven't had the conclusions of the SOCA enquiry, which the British Government has instigated to find out how the British passports were forged. If and when Israel's involvement is found then I would expect that at the very least the same punishment will be meted out as in 1987. Let's see shall we?

Did you think the Arabs invented the Hudna? Their monotheism, prophets, and holy places, are all based on Jewish precedents. "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years."

..you have got a very original understanding of history and that's for sure.

That seems to be the overall strategy. Immigrate to Europe and America, become a rowdy vocal minority, and then try to bully the host nations into changing their laws and foreign policy. We should be ashamed that we're too cowardly to stand up for our principles. "Basicly we are scared of all the Arab living next door to us so we do what they want....shame on us...."

Read more carefully,X...I didn't say Israel did!! The post you are referring to was addressed TO me,notFROM me.

There is undeniable trace of both the chubby tennis player and the chubby lady to Mossad cafeteria rich of Bamaba and Metzupim(chocolate bisquits)..lol Aside from that,, you don?t need to be Sherlock Holmes to know its Mossad. ONLY Israeli intelligence would have access to the numbers of those British passports of those Britons living now in Israel, and don?t let anybody tell you otherwise. Think about it ? if it wasn?t Mossad, Israel would have cried Gevald and demanded international investigation into stealing Israeli citizens identities based for sure on anti-Semitism.

Get off the fence NSM. The "whole conflict is irrational."? That's an answer? - Now you know what I mean by inane and useless comment. The key questions are: 1. Does Israel need to abide by the rule of law? 2. If not, why not?3. Should not the same standards Israel abides by be played by everyone else? If so, then you cannot suggest that there is any qualatitive difference between "illegal" methods used by Israel's enemies and Israel's own illegal behaviour. The principle of law that Sir Thomas More wisely referred to was that you cannot appeal to law if you cannot or will not abide by it yourself. If Israel is to make any meaningful distinction between itself and its enemies then it must honour the principle of lawfulness. It really is not rocket science.

"and it wasn`t YOU or many of the Israelis today who live there, it was Jews 2000 years ago" In other words the Palestinians!

... whatever, you do not appreciate the relative sophistication of the Dubai authorities when challenged... they know all about identification by eye-iris and finger-prints... most certainly they know how to get blood tested rapidly for poisons etc... their photographic sleuthing is rapid and effective... admittedly, they were were not vigilant about the costumes that their guests were parading around in... but please remember, there was an international sports contest in Dubai at the time, and people were led to 'dress sporty'...

Israel should try to find out who really put the operation together and contract them to find and extract Gilad Shalit... who is almost right next door to Mossad, in Gaza.

Nobody kicked them, they had flew away. They were thinking to annihilate the Jews. They themselves voluntarily flew away before the war to make room for the Arab armies to do the new jenoside. When they had loosed the war they were afraid thinking the Jews would do the same what they were thinking. Why there is 2.5 million Arabs now in Israel? Otherwise we must kick all of them. 2000 years we pray to return to Jerusalem. This year we are slave where we are next year we'll return and be free. "It offered them (majority) 45% of land while the Jews (minority) get 55%." UN seperated and we've accepted. This was not our fault. In 1948 ,1967, 1973 they had tried to kick out the Jews from here. We had offered them in 2000 the half Jerusalem and all the WestBank for a real peace, like we did with Egpyt and Jordan. What we got is the second intifada, and suicade bombings. If we were afraid of Muslims we didn't have to declare the Jewish state independece in 1948.

those claiming to be Democracies. "You seem to criticise all the time the only democratic country in the Middle East."marvyn Israel and apparently you are satisfied being compared to tyrants and non democratic states. The point here is Israel most likely was behind this theft of passports of EU citizens thereby endangering their lives. Dont know about you---but as a European--I am offended by that . Maybe you care more about Israeli lives than those of European???. An Israeli firster. You know what to do if that is the case. Bon Voyage and dont let the door hit you on the way out.

We should blame Mozambique about the killing of our children and the devastation you cause millions of Palestinians over tens of years. I don't understand how you could be Israel's FM. Israeli FMs have always been smart and understand politics well, but not in the case of Liberman. Seems to me that there is a lost of leadership in Israel.

In Pakistan . After some vacations under Guatanamo bay sun , Mohamed is now free in the U.K . The medias of U.S, Pakistan ,Ethiopia and U.K made no big deal of the fake U.K passport .

It's odd how you forget all of the suffering Israel has caused the Palestinians over more than 60 years. What are you anti-human?

I find that very telling.

EU condemns use of forged passports in Dubai hit : This is the result if you mess with Dubai ... Pls keep your problems at your own back yard!

Ireland will apologize. That's not a problem at all. When do you think it will be proven?

You said: "I actually enjoy how Dubai leaks new info every few days to keep Israel on the defense." And the new info always fails to contain a shred of evidence. I enjoy that aspect myself.

There is no proof Israel assasinated Mahmoud. I still believe it was the Palestinians themselves. As far as forged passports go, Didn't Mahmou himself travel on a forged passport under a fictitious name. So if Hamas can forge a foreign passport for Mahmoud, they can forge a few others for the hit squad.

Oh to be a fly on the wall when Leiby hopelessly explains to some of his offended counterparts what went down and why. I do hope he maintains his unintended jocularity. At least a good laugh would be in the offing.

Unlike Israel, EU dosn't differ between residents, 2nd class residents and emmigrants. The problem is, that in some EU coutries there is increasing number of Arab citizens, so the governments of France, Sweeden, Danmark are pushed to act antisemitic in order to maintain peace in their land. Basicly we are scared of all the Arab living next door to us so we do what they want....shame on us....

The entire conflict is irrational, and an explanation is not, necessarily, a justification.

I wonder why Ireland insist that there be a reference to Israel in the statement when there is no proof aside for the word of the Dubai Police department all of which are probably big fans.... If and when it is proven that it was not Israel, then i would like Ireland to issue a public apology. same from all the news agencies. I guess I can dream on, and at best hope for a page 14 article.

But in Afghanistan 27 civilians are killed by aircraft bombing raid because of floored intelligence,are we going to see a condemnation of this accident (WAR CRIME IF ISRAEL DOES IT)or they consider the death of a terrorist more important by a group useing forged passports? I think the latter will be the answer.

finger pointing and blaming everyone else. Israel has never wanted peace---see below and then ckeck the Likud Charter and tell us what part of it gives a state to the Palestinian people. "As it will be demonstrated below, the decision by the Zionist leadership to accept the 1947 proposed UN GA Partition plan was nothing but a smoke screen, which was done solely to gain international recognition and support. This deception was a political ploy to gain initial international legitimacy for the existence of the "Jewish state", and this was well known to the Palestinian people. The reader is urged to contemplate the following Zionist leaders' quotes in an open mind. Note that most, if not all, of the quotes below are dated before the entry of any single Arab Army into British Mandated Palestine: * In a letter Chaim Weizmann sent to the Palestine-British high Commissioner, while the Peel Commission was convening in 1937, he stated: "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66) * Ben-Gurion emphasized that the acceptance of the Peel Commission would not imply static borders for the future "Jewish state". In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ..... Our possession is important not only for itself ... through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state .... will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country." (Righteous Victims, p. 138) * In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25) * ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories.

My friend despite what you hear, Israel is NOT a democratic country. Surely many Arab countries arent either but its a very misleading misconception that Israel is democratic. Its not. The only thing I find respectably free (that is within Israel PROPER) is the media so i have to give credit where its due. However, if Arabs here are only 2nd-class citizens and have limited rights unlike ONLY Jews, then its far from being democratic. Keep in mind this is an Israeli site so subjects here tend to focus mainly on Israel. But since you think the undemocratic Muslim countries should be mentioned. Lets take Saudi Arabia. It makes Iran look like a democratic heaven. GROSS human right violations and all kinds of messed up things. BUT, doesn't your country the UK, and the US, support them strongly. Why are you not criticizing your own country for supporting them instead of asking responders here to make note of it when only discussion (and no action) will come it? You should start there

is recording for safety robbers). Where are the videos in the hotel corridors showing the Israelis entering the terrorist's room? who needs to see people entering and going out of elevators and hallways only? All this affair seems staged and the people in the videos that were shown by the Dubai police seem to be actors, not spies.

Marvyn what on earth makes you believe that Israel's democratic status has any bearing whatsoever on Israel's floutiing of the rule of law? It is the most censured country in the UN. I think I would rather live in an undemocratic arab state than have to bear the collective responsiblily for my countries actions entailed by democracy. At least then I could just blame the regime.

Chris give it a rest. The EU will NEVER issue Israel any punishment as you put it. They wouldn't even dare mention Israel by name in their statement. There will never be any proof and this is going no where. This story is already dead in Britain and thanks to Gordon's bullying of Downing Street staff will stay dead as that is a far more interesting story. Face it Chris there's been no war, no severing of diplomatic relations or surgical strikes. There will be NOTHING more now. You've been wrong on all previous counts and you will be on any further ones. The truth is that Israel's standing is far more powerful than you think or would like to admit.

When a state steps outside the law, when it treats international law as optional or not applying to it, then it sends out two messages. 1. It is not legitimate because it acts to subvert law, not enforce it. 2. It tells it's citizens, ( and everyone else),that laws of any kind are expendable for expediency's sake. This SHOULD matter to YOU as Israeli citizens; it's a short step from killing people abroad, from denying other people's rights to treating your own citizens exactly the same way. If I was an Israeli I would care if only out of pure self-interest.

"We return to our lands" What about the families living there for 100's of years, you cant just kick them out. and it wasn't YOU or many of the Israelis today who live there, it was Jews 2000 years ago. "if they would had accepted the 2 state solution there will be no conflict no war" It offered them (majority) 45% of land while the Jews (minority) get 55%. But regardless of how you look at that, its not constructive to play the "IF...THEN...". Whats done is done and we have to take it from here. "How many years must have to past to accept these lands belongs to us, 100 1000, 10000." There's no count down anywhere in the world where a piece of land becomes the ownership of a religious sect after the turning of the clock. You have to face the fact that Muslims aren't going to get tired of the status quo and just say "ok let them have it". In the same way you wont towards them. So you have to compromise, there's no way around that except for death and destruction.

British Passports illegally. 16 Israeli diplomats were thrown out of the country, and all contact with Mossad ceased for 5 years. If Israel believes that a standard statement by the EU means that this is the end of the matter they are very mistaken Did the military censor write this?

You seem to criticise all the time the only democratic country in the Middle East. No criticism of all the undemocratic Arab moslem countries? Perhaps you need to live in one of these undemocratic Arab countries.

The European Union has just issued it's condemnation on the misuse of EU travel documents by the assassins in Dubai. The meetings with Avigdor (the nightclub bouncer) Lieberman are to take place this afternoon. I am wondering if specific allegations are going to be placed before him for him to answer in a co-operative way something Milliband has stated twice, before an announcement is made of whatever punishment Israel will endure by the EU? Very entertaining though.

of Jews and Israel? Amazing that is still not a problem is it?

* WJ: Even if your underlying claim that no one in the ME acts as More says (within the law..etc) is true, that doesn't make it ok for Israel to act in the belligerancy and hypocracy and unlawfulness that it engages in every day. Your response is like a child saying "well he did it 1st!". Ya if it's wrong for them its wrong for you and you should address THAT! * Nati: I'm pretty sure you dont think every Israeli around you is an intellect. Dont base your judgement on all of Ireland on what 1 person said. This kind of generalization is an explicit example of not being an intellect bcoz you are soo quick to jump to a conclusion that you want to stick to and dont want to see the bigger picture, another perspective. Also you didnt make any point as to WHY what Declan Montgomery said is false. Israel has engaged in many activities that are violations of international law and which would not be tolerated if it was another country (like the occupation). This is no secret

I see the usual & predictable Israeli response to criticism- don't answer the issue but attack the messenger. It's not Ireland that apparently illegally aquired another countries passports, commited murder, and endangered the lives of another countries citizens or breeched it's sovreignty. If it was up to me the Israeli embassy in Dublin would be closed. It's a pity that not more Israeli citizens stand up for what is morally wrong in Israel - that at least is something they can do something about rather than slinging mud at others. Come up with a new answer guys, your invective is tired, vacous and bankrupt.

When there are "extradition" applications, Dubai, Britain, and the EU are serious

Besides all the written above, are there no valid, certain proofs about who neutralized the activities of Mahmud Al Mabhouh. What is important, is to understand that the Military Commander of Mabhouh (Hamas Ez Adin el Qassam) was in charge of the assasination of dozens of Israelis, as also killing of Palestinians. Similar to Imad Moughniyeh (Hezb"Allah), that "lost his head" in Damascus. Both of them have no chance to plant bombs, send others to die with explisive belts, or launch missiles to Sderot. Their "Dead Games" are OVER

The EU is in fact going to mention Israel as it can be proved that Mossad was behind the assassination and the passport fraud.

What drivel! If your comparision is any indication of intellectual reasoning amongst fellow Irish countrymen, I can now understand why Ireland is even being blacklisted by fellow European Nations.

There is not even a bit of incriminating evidence linking Mossad to the death of this Hamas operative. The authorities in Dubai are guessing the Mossad is responsible simply because Israel is known to carry out such operations on its enemies. Had Dubai had any substantial proof of the Mossads involvment, the leading authorities in the investigation would not have to say their "99 percent" sure. There is simply no substantial linkage, let alone proof.

of Jews, no matter what you say. After 2000 years we return to our lands, and we are living for 60 years in these lands. Blame Arabs not Jews for todays conflict. In 1948 if they would had accepted the 2 state solution there will be no conflict no war. Even Jerusalem was not ours. How many years must have to past to accept these lands belongs to us, 100 1000, 10000. It's better for you to accept, we have no where to go, we are here to stay forever. Aby

A) If you find someone in the ME who acts like Sir Thomas More, please let us know. When was the last time an Irish politician or banker acted like More? B) try suggesting Dr. Martin Luther King,Jr. to your friends.

try suggesting Dr. Martin Luther King,Jr to your friends. He would be an excellent example for both sides!

If you find someone in the ME who acts like Sir Thomas More, please let us know. When was the last time an Irish politician or banker acted like More?

Sir Thomas More eptomised "A man for all seasons."- A man with a noble sense of conscience and goodness. In the 1966 version of the movie of the same name, the character speaks of the importance of the law. Once you move outside of it,once you break it for convenience or gain, you can no longer claim it's protection or respectiability. Israel has long moved outside the law and little if anything now divides it from the people it now calls "terrorists"except it is bigger and better equipped. The idea of Israeli justice is little more than a sham.

Hey Port even a deaf, dumb, and blind monkey (Not Malone but you), knows that Israel did not it. I am actually enjoying how you are ready to belive in Dubai originated new infos,used them to keep on bashing Israel. You and I am here at this forums, there will be no arrest warrants like you wish against Meir Dagan. Keep on seeing illusions with your wide eyes open. Hey what's your interest in keeping alive this affair? Aby

from the narrow ruling ever-changing same narrow cliques. Same narrow clique decides the end justifies the means and that means Israel citizen's id's can be tampered with by the state. And though the end was accomplished the inept means are splattering Israel's image at home and abroad.

It seems to have many "fathers?" Micheal Martin is an Irish "politician," he survives on the the "forgiveness" of the Irish people.

reading the talkbacks I am surprised that nobody has suggested that , just maybe, Mossad has an enormous file of passport details. After all, all Jews applying for an Israeli passport have to hand in their current passport. Logically, all those Jews details would be on the file waiting to be used to create false passports if and when required. Maybe some politician should ask the question on behalf of the voters, or do they all know the answer

If this condemnation is supposed to be directed at Israel, it's a bit like being flogged with a stale piece of lettuce. Nice to see that the EU is as flaccid and ineffectual in "condemning" Israel as it is in condemning Iran, Hamas and Islamist terrorism. Europe sure aint what it used to be. Let the Muslims have it, say I. There's nothing left worth preserving.

Barry: what if the brits killed while using US passports and that damaged US citizens ability to travel freely abroad? A country like Ireland relies on soft power and our passports mean alot to us. Why should another country apparently damage our standing abroad? Irish passport holders may be subject to much tougher treatment in certain countries now: why? Because another democratic government seems to have sanctioned their illegal use. Ireland is right to feel agrieved

....the same way. However, if passports of innocent British citizens have indeed been faked by the Mossad in order to carry out the Dubai assassination, there will be (rather serious) consequences, make no mistake.....

"... the UAE government did not blame Israel for carrying out the assassination nor did it request that Israel be cited in the EU statement." 99% certain?? These clueless plods are the true heirs of their former British colonial masters.

Any other good jokes today?Al Bashir needs a good laugh. If this killing turns out to be from say Fatah or a Sunni country or any other intersted party who find Iran and their friends make them nervous will they still be animals? Get over it killing Israelis is not what it used to be there is a price to pay.

"cipora is right" you have some iou's as a result. mind you, i said that the emirates were unable to determine the cause of death-- even if we assume that he was murdered. that is because for days they thought it was a natural death. that should tell us that their story of electrocution and asphyxia are woven out of arabian dreams. those two modes of death leave visible marks. who is there to supervise the autopsy from a neutral party acceptable to israel? there is none. the terorist was burried weeks ago.

passports could have been copied or their data pilfered anywhere. such does not require the work of a genius. furthermore, the irish and french passport holders have no link to israel. the entire passpoort gate is a farce. there is absolutely no proof against israel. nor will there be. the crime scene was brobably not preserved and as such the stiff was thought to have died of natural causes. all they have presented thus far is some people walking around dubai in tennis outfits. a few of the eighteen are shown on the same floor as the subject. there is nothing but this miserly, misleading evidence.

What really really makes me wonder is how come the Mossad (allegedly) needs more than 10 people to get rid of a single terrorist? Maybe this should be Avidgor best line of defense?!

Yeh, while the issue is hot. In the long run it won`t, Mark. You are forgetting the main point, who got whacked in the act of what. That such ops are far from very original. Right now many are embarrassed. Dubai is embarrassed throughout the Arab community. Hamas is embarrassed because not only their own provided logistics but possibly ex Fatah men who joined Hamas after the coup for self preservation but deep down held the animosity. Obviously London & Dublin are embarrassed, especially the Israeli `lovers` and Arab friends on the left in high government places, which those two particular counries are well ahead in on EU list. Thik about it, this is politics. What if Israelis did inform MI6 and held silent not embarrass anyone until they were pressed for answers. Sure they now had really irked the involved who must make the visible noise to either hide the embarrassment or appease the angry.

whilst this issue is fresh in everyone's mind and at a time when people are traditionally booking their summer holidays. Identity theft has been high profile recently. If we link Israel with identity theft then it will be more damaging than kicking Mossad out. Then of course we can ban all travel by Israeli passport holders as potential members of Mossad

EXPRESS COMMENTWHY CAN'T THIS COUNTRY FOLLOW ISRAEL'S LEAD?February 19,2010 Chris Roycroft-Davis EXCUSE me for not sending flowers to the funeral of the terrorist the Israelis bumped off in Dubai. Unlike the bleeding hearts in the liberal media I?m not shedding any tears. As military chief of terrorist group Hamas, Mahmoud al Mabhouh had the blood of many Israeli soldiers and civilians on his hands. He was in charge of smuggling rockets and grenades into the Gaza Strip so his murderous gangs could lob them into Israel.He could hardly complain when a hit squad from Mossad, the Israeli security service, brought his life to a swift end. To say he had it coming is an understatement. He could hardly complain when a hit squad from Mossad, the Israeli security service, brought his life to a swift end. To say he had it coming is an understatement.So why such a fuss about his execution? Why has the Foreign office twisted the arm of the Israeli ambassador? And possibly the most crucial question of all: whose side are we on, the terrorists or those with the courage to stand up to them? --

about the risk posed by travel to israel, of having their passport fraudulantly copied and utilized for illicit clandestine activities that could lead to endangerment of themselves and those close to them. imagine if this hit had happened in a country that's without the sophistication of dubai's extensive security camera network; what then? names named and passports tracked from hotel guest registries without a face to accompany them? during the time it takes to provide a photo, or facsimile, innocent people are at risk. what IF the dubai assassins, or even some of them, had by some fluke managed to avoid having their faces caught on camera? the eu doesn't need to mention israel's name in connection with the dubai assassination; but it would be complete negligence not to warn europeans about the inherent risk associated with traveling to israel.

... that is Israel's official line of defence... Cipora is right...

the uk intelligence services need the mossad more than the mossad needs them.

"The Dubai Chief of Police should be arrested for defending and ptotecting a murderer" The Dubai police chief is defending NO ONE. He is doing exactly whathe's supposed to do, i.e. investigate a murder committed in his city. Would you expect him to do otherwise? It doesn't matter how bad the person murdered was as last time I checked "murder" was against the law. If Isreal had evidence of the victims lawless activities they should have requested an "International arrest warrant" for him. By Israels standards Anyone who is deemed to be a "terrorist" can be murdered by anyone. Many people, me among them consider the State of Israel to be guilty of "State terrorism" However I would never advocate the murder of Israeli civil or military leaders. Thats what the world has laws for. I hope they catch at least one of the animals that carried out this crime and send him to Dubai for trial.

and yr views on USA, Canada, All of Central + Sth America, Aus, NZ...... ie europeans speaking european languages on land that is not theirs ? yet u see to find a problem with jewish semites speaking hebrew in same area as arab semites speaking arabic.... logic appears to have disappeared, pls explain.

...or heart-failure, seeing so many overweight agents dressed up in various unconvincing versions of 'sports-clothes'... ...how that fat fellow with the tennis raquet got by the reception desk in the evening, is in itself rather confusing...

and onto actual events of importance: "According to a senior European diplomatic source, the statement will not directly cite Israel, nor is it expected to link Israel with the assassination or the forging of passports." Moral people don't fuss over dead terrorists. It is, however, hilarious to read of the mole within the Hamas terrorist organization.

....the trouble-maker (as they perceive Israels current governement), doesn't mean, that they wouldn't know exactly who the trouble-maker is...:) P.S. The British secret service has already suspended once before its cooperation with the Mossad, and I have no reason to believe, that they wouldn't do it again, if they "smell" some foulplay....

WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM THAT ISRAEL DID IT?

Israel will always be blamed no matter what, even if it wiped a dangerous terrorist off the face of the earth without a trace of blood being spilt. It is a Terrorist World we live in today with the whiff of the sweet smell pf Oil alluring us......

The attempt by European Jews to use mass immigration to build a Jewish political entity with a European colonial culture in a land that had been Arab, with a small Jewish minority, for 1300 years. It was bound to cause conflict and it did.

If you realy want to know,who ever did this,did a favour to Dubai and certain elements in the Palestinian camp. There is no more evidence,otherwise they would have published it before.

Very purile posting,once the British press stops all this hypocritical nonsense,things will get back to normal whether you like it or not.

And right you are thanks. Are most people happy with 9/l1, or such Terrorist Organisations who think nothing of hijacking a plane, slaughtering humams, or to destroy a whole nation of people for their selfish purposes? The effacng of Mahboud of Hamas is the answer.

for taking out another terrorist. Hamas is on the EU's list of terrorist organizations. Instead of being outraged that an EU passport was used, Interpol should be cooperating more closely with the Mossad in eliminating all terrroists.

What pasports did they use, where do we stands with arrest warants against Iranian top brass? What Dubai did about arresting the murderer that was found dead in their hotel?

There are more investigations going on investigating the police officers than there is investigating the criminals who carried out the crimes in the first place, which is Hamas. The police officers had to work undercover because the criminals roamed freely in Saudi Arabia without being arrested by the local police.

CJK: "anyone who claims that assassins would use diplomatic passports is a fool or a liar." And you know this.... how, exactly?

We killed one Terrorist.How many Israelise will die for it?It is so stupid.Those Hamas people have several candidates to take his place.

Does Hamas rule a nation? Does Hamas have a legitimate military? Does Hamas have diplomatic ties with other countries? No. Israel is seriously overstepping its boundaries here. If it wants to assassinate people, do it in Israel. Don't take your problems to other peoples doorsteps.

What makes Israel behaves like an outlaw state is the total absence of Arab regimes serious policies and sincerity in recuperating the rights of Palestinians and Muslims in the sacred land. Israel feels strong because it is supported openly and covered when needed by Western powers. This fact is very basic and well known and admitted. The day of recogning shall come, Natanyaho and the like know it.

#5 The Dubai Chief of Police should be arrested for defending and ptotecting a murderer.

google, "Dubai Assassination is a Real World Chess Match" for a thorough article on the impacts of the Dubai hit.

Israel has done a very stupid thing under BB, and to think we trust him to keep the peace.

EU be sure to stamp the passports Allahu Akhbar! Meanwhile lets have your evidence that this Hamas muderer was killed by Mossad rather than say an honor killing,fratricide or a deal gone wrong.? Iran and its flunkies are not the flavor of the month in the Sunni world. What else dont you know "MOSSAD"?

Why all the sympathy for this murderer and the concern for how he died? Where were all these people when he he kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and admitted to murdering them? Maybe the assassination was by the Mosad or maybe not. Has anyone thought that the ideal cover for an assassination carried out by the PA or Hamas would be to fake EU passports held by Israeli citizens? That way everyone would point to Israel and take advantage of their known "no comment" policy. Anyway, do you think that other foreign intel operatives don't use faked foreign passports? Get off your self righteous horses!

"According to a senior European diplomatic source, the statement will not directly cite Israel, nor is it expected to link Israel with the assassination or the forging of passports." Still having a complex of guilt, Europeans are very lame and timid in dealing with the israeli crimes.

caused an immense uproar in US together with immense costs of introducing new scanning methods. Immense consequences ,wouldn't you say ?

I think what should be investigated is Dubai. How came they allow known terrorist to travel there. Would we not permit known terrorist to come to the USA. They apparently permit them to make deals for illegal weapons. Shouldn't this be the focus of the investigation. Were any known IRA bomber every disposed of by the Brits? Does anyone know the ans to this?

So far I have heard a range of "cause of death" that includes - strangling, smothering, electric shock, poisoning, torture. So far the list of suspects include 18 people some of whom have lived in Dubia for more than a year, with more announcements to come. So far those involved include at leat Englisman, an Irishman, and a Jew, a German, and a Palestinian. It sounds to me like a fishermans tale where the fish keeps getting bigger as the fisherman tells his story. If any of the suspects even looked at someone (with a foreign passport) then they become implicated - so don't be surprised that if this thing continues, any foreigner that entered Dubia over the last 5 years is a prime suspect. Maybe he was mugged for his cell-phone and died of natural causes?

helpers ,the journalists had British passports. I'm referring to bombers of the "Mike Place" in TA ,destroyed by genuine Britain-born and raised holders of genuine British passports ,helped to smuggle the bomb from Gaza by genuine ,Britain born and raised journalists ,holders of genuine British passports.

come on Lieberman be real.

The BIG Question is how come there was no "red card" issued by Interpol for the selfconfessed (and proud) serial killer who was in Dubia on a Gun-Running mission? Had they done this it would have saved his life. I have heard that the reason is Interpol does not get involved in political struggles - which seems strange as they clearly were quick to take up after the assassins - who if Dubia are correct in their accusations - would make them part of a political struggle. Is there a chance that Interpol is a biased organisation with a political agenda?

about the risk posed by travel to israel, of having their passport fraudulantly copied and utilized for illicit clandestine activities that could lead to endangerment of themselves and those close to them. imagine if this hit had happened in a country that's without the sophistication of dubai's extensive security camera network; what then? names named and passports tracked from hotel guest registries without a face to accompany them? during the time it takes to provide a photo, or facsimile, innocent people are at risk. what IF the dubai assassins, or even some of them, had by some fluke managed to avoid having their faces caught on camera? the eu doesn't need to mention israel's name in connection with the dubai assassination; but it would be complete negligence not to warn europeans about the inherent risk associated with traveling to israel.

the uae has claimed that his ultimate destination was china. if so, what was his business in china. if not so, why the lie.

I do not think that the EU cares one way or the other about Al-Mabhouh's death - i also don't see taht any EU spy agency would be involved in his assassination. What they do care about is the integrity of their national passports and Britain especially cares about the safety of it's citizens whose names were used. If Israel was not responsible for the hit then Israel needs to talk frankly with the EU ministers about preventing such occurences in the future. Israel also does not appear to have given much support to it's own citizens named in this affair who are, naturally very concerned.

Next time we need to take out a target we will borrow your identity. Obviously you have no problem with identity theft, so we can now make a list of passports of people only too willing to help up. This will make it so much easier! No more trouble with those pesky European countries making a fuss about the rights of their citizens!

THE ISRAELI GOV ACTIONS AND INACTION ON THIS SUBJECT SIMPLY PINS DOWN ISRAEL... GUILTY AS SIN. MOVING FORWARD, THIS DUMB MOVE BY BIBI AND COMPANY REALLY HURTS ISRAEL, NOT ONLY DOES IT PORTRAY IT AS A COUNTRY THAT HAS NO RESPECT TO INTERNATIONAL LAWS, IT ALSO HAS BROKEN ALL CODES OF ETHICS THAT THE INTERNATIONAL LAW WAS BUILT ON. YOUR EITHER ON THIS SIDE OF THE FENCE OR THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CANT MEDDLE IN THE MIDDLE ISRAEL SO CHOOSE. ISRAEL HAS A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO, IF BIBI IS A MAN OF HONOR AND HE LOVES HIS COUNTRY SO MUCH THEN HE NEEDS TO RESIGN AND APOLOGIZE TO EUROPE AND DUBAI, BY THAT THIS CHAPTER WILL BE CLOSED AND ISRAEL CAN RECLAIM ITS IMAGE THAT WAS WASTED BY A BUNCH OF TRIGGER HAPPY MORONS.

Not only did he booked his flight thru the Internet, he got a good deal on the Hotel rate thru Priceline com.

the uae has claimed several causes of death, including electrocution, asphyxiation, poison. such claims would point to confusion among the investigators.

I am deeply concerned about the charges of fake passports. Why? This does not prove they were murderers. It may indicate a charge of passport falsification. Also, there may be some confusion about a Mohel in Hamas. Imagine, Hamas members being circumcised. How will we know if they are Jews or Arabs.

anyone who claims that assassins would use diplomatic passports is a fool or a liar.

now THAT would have been fun to watch! one can almost picture the thug's eyes bulging twice again as much, and spit spraying everywhere, as he slams his fist and demands that israel be respected and that it has a right to defend itself no matter WHO, or how many, get caught in the crossfire. lol...ah well, who better than a rogue to defend the actions of a rogue state?

"Lieberman is also likely to call on the authorities in Dubai to specify the cause of death to determine whether Mabhouh was killed or died of natural causes."

This isn't about whether the countries involved are anti-Israel, or even the governments. The fervor over this story, that Israel might DARE to protect itself by offing a sword enemy in the process of sending weapons to be used in terrorist attacks, reveals the thought process of those "enraged". The governments involved (mostly) understand the operation, but must make noise for the UN/Arab states. The blogosphere/crazy commentators/far-left media elements are the only ones who are really angry. That is, besides the terrorists.

Why would Israel be 'cited'??? THERE ARE NO LINKS! THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!!! Like mossad would pull off a hit in front of CCTV's? Yeah, right. Moving on, Gee...thanks EU...for considering the obvious. We feel sooooo releived.

From the pics released, it looks like the Mossad is operating with a dime-store budget. Worst disguises ever. But it doesn't change the fact that terrorists should know no safe haven. In fact, the agencies like Mossad, Interpol and the CIA should have special passports issued that allow access to anywhere, with all the countries of the world having programming in their computers that give them that access with anonymity. That would stop this kind of embarrassment.