Lawyers in EU draw up list of alleged IDF war criminals

Imagine these words written in preamble of Goldstone's report: "From my knowledge of the IDF and from my extent to which extent I have been following the current operation....." That is, if this disclaimer doesn't bother you in Kemp's statement. And you, Der Zweifler, have nerve to routinely accuse this and that of ideological precedence over the factual information. And quoting Habermas cherry on the top.

Look, you gave the game away by mistaking verifiability rather than falsifiability as the criterion for Popper. That is a mistake no one who took Philosophy 101 would make and it renders your whole critique in all posts an exercise in confusion and pompous and incoherent language. I specialize in the critique of the positivist methodology of social science, which makes me primarily a critic of Popper, but he has his uses. Ask any philosopher of science in the world about falsifiability -- and what it has to do with the critique of inductive methodology that I mentioned and which you were in fact attempting to employ, contra Popper -- and you will see why your fundamental lack of understanding was so obvious. Goodbye, if you want to waste more of your own time that is fine but I am past my limit already.

Kemp proceeds from the general to the particular, whereas Goldstone the other way round. This comes both from Kemp's personal experience in a different war context (and a dose of critical indiscrimination between Taliban and Hamas - read "Arabs") and from the natural fact that he did not have more factual material of the IDF side than Goldstone had and had no factual material of the Gaza side which Goldstone has collected meticulously. Of course by itself this does not preclude Goldstone's possibility of selection of facts. But Kemp's 'from conclusions to possible facts' can be refuted by one single fact (e.g IDF bombing a mosque with ammunition and a crowd of sleeping civilians at night instead of on daytime when it's empty), whereas this Goldstone's fact and ensuing conclusion cannot be refuted by another, contrary conclusion or by a fact that IDF soldiers shared their food rations with a starving Gazan family 5km away form the mosque (incidentally, such argument was advanced by IDF)

...since the very formulation starts calling for a theory mediating between the statement and the facts. Such theory doesn't and strictly speaking cannot exist due to amount of parameters and the impossibility to set their priorities. Moreover, the formulation "IDF did x to prevent y" is in advance subjective since there's no measurable adequacy between intention and outcome. The abuses by 'inflicting evil to avoid bigger evil' are more than abundant in history, to draw on "mission civilisatrice" cases alone. It's easier (although not entirely objectively either) to measure what IDF did to safeguard the lives of IDF combatants vs Gazans, since it involves comparable elements which Kemp's formulation does not.

Copy/past my post and delete the word "Popper" and read again. Now read your reply. Unless you are hopelessly blocking out the argument that may lead straight to the "disqualification" of Kemp's statements, you will not fail to see that you forgot to react to any of points listed, including the sentence containing "Popper". You get carried away - should I say comfortably away from addressing Kemp's sentence when you go on about me believing "Popper has an inductive methodology" of which I had no intention to believe or to disbelieve here. Read my post again. I was referring by analogy to Poppers' critique of psychoanalysis as a "theory" which can offer from within itself opposite interpretations in response to different factual inputs and is therefore "immune" from empiric data. Kemp's statement appears as a positive and valid statement insofar there are plenty of cases of far worse cases of military abuse. The trouble is in "more than any other in the history", since...

alleged war crimes = alleged nuclear weapons alleged rogue state at perpetual war and committed to genocide chosen people, chosen to lead the world into the darkest abyss imaginable. mark aleshnick, Okinawa

I'd suggest you try to learn something about Popper before you choose to bandy his name about. From a Popperian perspective, the question would be if the statement is falsifiable, not if it is verifiable. It clearly is falsifiable (please don't confuse this with false). You completely misunderstand Popper and incorrectly believe that he has an inductive, verificationist methodology. In fact it was his explicit purpose to propose an alternative to an inductive methodology. Try getting to first base with your understanding and knowledge before you reply.

Let alone the facts that Kemp was no more present in Gaza than you during or after the war, he projected his military experience from totally different Taliban context. His statement: "I don?t think there has ever been a time in the history....IDF is doing today in Gaza" is not only a personal judgment, and is preceded by a telltale disclaimer: "From my knowledge of the IDF and from the extent to which I have been following the current operation..". Besides, it's an unverifiable statement, as C. Popper would put it: it cannot be refuted because it cannot be proved. His JCPA report is indeed far from involving concrete facts. It deals with commonalities and difficulties in on-ground guerilla fighting, and could be submitted prior or after the Cast Lead without changing factual content of its text. The argument runs as following: "Rather than drop a 500 pound bomb onto the enemy from the air...".

Dan, could you please print the 20,000 names of those so called terrorists and the names of the jews which they killed?

Consider this: 1) 17: "The Knesset should pass the law stipulating that antiJewish/antiIsrael incitement is punishable by law". 2) Don Boston: "In other words, you want to punish anyone who criticizes Jews or Israel." 3) SDHD: "Consider this: The criticism of Jews and Israel is highly disproportionate." Let me state the obvious that your 3) was written without caring to scroll up and read the 1). Whence your difficulty in following up the discourse. Sounds particularly self-ironic when you title your post: "Don Boston is the one who really doesn`t understand". Take it as a free but priceless lesson.

Let's say is very true that this post of Cipora is far more "poetical" than "correct", "wise" or "precise". It surely "wears the radiant crown of victory", of a righteous provincial fool clinging onto self-serving myth concocted by Herzlian hagiographers like Alex Bein, the editor of the abridged version of Herzl's Diaries. Even sympathetic Israeli scholars of Herzl (e.g S. Avineri, let alone Kronberg, D. Stewart or Polkehn) today admit that the Dreyfus element is a big bluff. Herzl thought Dreyfus was guilty, and kept thinking so well after the truth was a banal fact in the wide public. Sorry to ruin Cipora's myth of Herzl and to ruin your myth of Cipora. Learn to distinguish poetry from history. And don't forget to read the unabridged Diaries (Herzl Press, 1960) of the poor Vienna megalomaniac who counted on being crowned as a Jewish monarch, ruthlessly "crushing all political opposition" with the help of "well-oiled secret police". Have a nice, sobering reading you two.

His testimony did contain evidence, Johnboy; the fact that you happen not to know the meaning of the word does not change that. If you would like to put some money on that proposition I'd be happy to. Did the BBC interview him rather than say, you, because of his extensive and documented experience fighting the same type of warfare, perhaps? That is why he testifies before the UN as well. But you go right on in your armchair, Johnboy, and while you are there think about the experience and knowledge of Colonel Kemp which you denigrate versus your own (which is what?). And don't forget the bet; it would make you accountable for the first time here.

By using frivolous terms like "the world`s oldest pastime," you obscure any real points of substance. Anti-semitism is but one of many forms of bigotry, no more and no less contemptible than any other bigotry (excepr Holocaust, a unique crime in human history). I do not believe for a second that Jews have suffered more from bigotry than blacks in the US, South Africa and elsewhere, except of course, for the holocaust. Throughout history, numerous minorities have been persecuted, not just Jews. Look at the tribal massacres in Rwanda and Sudan. Several of your examples refer to the past. There is no doubt that anti-semitism has a horrible history in Europe and persists to a lesser degree there to this day. It remains a vicious form of evil in many arab countries. Anti-semitism still exists in the US but far less than bigotry against blacks, hispanics and arabs.

Yes, all wars are terrifying, but Goldstone finds that the IDF deliberately timed and planned its attacks to terrorize civilians as punishment for electing Hamas. This is an allegation that should be tried in court. Collateral damage is a dangerous term. Some is unavoidable, but combatants have a duty to minimize them. There is no excuse for attacking hospitals, schools or UN compounds unless artillery or other heavy weapons are being used from there. Simply avoid them such that they have to move for small arms to be effective. I've heard no suggestion of anything but small arms fire from the prohibited targets. The real questions here include whether all practical means are employed to reduce collateral damage, whether there is intent to kill or terrorize civilians, the nature of the targets (e.g. hospitals), deliberate endangering of civilian human shields and the use of prohibited weapons. These are questions to be addressed by a court with sworn witnesses

Let's say is very true that this post of Cipora is far more "poetical" than "correct", "wise" or "precise". It surely "wears the radiant crown of victory", of a righteous provincial fool clinging onto self-serving myth concocted by Herzlian hagiographers like Alex Bein, the editor of the abridged version of Herzl's Diaries. Even sympathetic Israeli scholars of Herzl (e.g S. Avineri, let alone Kronberg, D. Stewart or Polkehn) today admit that the Dreyfus element is a big bluff. Herzl thought Dreyfus was guilty, and kept thinking so well after the truth was a banal fact in the wide public. Sorry to ruin Cipora's myth of Herzl and to ruin your myth of Cipora. Learn to distinguish poetry from history. And don't forget to read the unabridged Diaries (Herzl Press, 1960) of the poor Vienna megalomaniac who counted on being crowned as a Jewish monarch, ruthlessly "crushing all political opposition" with the help of "well-oiled secret police". Have a nice, sobering reading you two.

"Targeting" is a dangerously flexible term. In short, attacks that do not take all practical precautions to prevent civilian causalties may be found to be war crimes. In Iraq, the vast majority of civlian deaths were due to sectarian conflict. In Afghanistan, we foolishly let some tribes fool us into targeting their rivals and relied too much on aerial bombs; tactics have changed for this reason. If we have attacked schools, hospitals or UN compounds, this should be treated as a war crime. I have no objection to a UN investigation. Goldstone finds that Israel did not just target Hamas, but deliberately "punished" all Gazans for electing Hamas, used white phosporus as an anti-personnel weapon and used Pals as human shields. I've heard no such allegations against US/NATO. Even if small arms fire comes from a hospital or school, it may not be attacked. The area can simply be avoided. If heavier weapons are involved, its less clear, but I've heard no such claims re Cast Lead

If by criminally incite, you mean act to actually cause crimes to be committed with imminent danger of such crimes being committed, I do not find this nearly so troublesome as your earlier statement. I condemn all hate crimes and consider tham all a big deal, but I dont see those against Jews as worse than those against any other people. I am aware that anti-semitism is a real problem in the Middle East, Europe and, to a lesser extent, even the US. This is despicable but even bigots have the right to speak unless they're actively inciting violence. Blacks and others have faced such hatred at least as much as Jews (except holocaust). The universal jurisdiction over war crimes must be based on the prohibited conduct, not the race or religion of the victims. There is certainly no special jurisdiction for crimes against arabs, anglo-saxons or any other group.

dz: "The BBC interviewed him specifically on the Gaza operation and he testified before the UN on the subject." You make it sound as if the UNHRC asked him to come and testify before them. Err, no. He was hired by the pro-Israel organization "UN Watch" to be their talking head, and that little speech of his was the official submission **of** that organization **to** the UNHRC. DZ: "If you consider the quality of his evidence not sufficient," He presented EVIDENCE to back up his opinions?!?!?!? When, exactly? Certainly not when he spoke at the UNHRC, because that "testimony" contained not a shred of evidence. It was, from start to finish, simply an uncritical regurgitation of the statements of the IDF spokesmodel.

"including Britain? Every war ever fought has civilian deaths." That is true, but was there deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure? Maybe you can explain to us why food processing factories, building material factories, farms, water wells, and water treatment plants were destroyed? Deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure is a war crime. "Why the focus on Israel always? " Check out the following website for your answer. http://www.israeli-war-crimes.org/

....against Israeli civilians is.... Where??? The EU is bending over for the islamic extremists and I think in a few years they will really regret it.... but by then it will be too late. :(

propaganda machine.At a time when Iran is killing its own people, spreading terrorist cells around the world an d building bombs to use on the west, these leftist biased lawyers are a disgrace to their profession

Some of your post are correct, some are precise, some are wise. But this one has besides all that, a measure of poetry and wears the radiant crown of victory of truth. (Please Haaretz, don't censor this post.) Thank you again and again, Fortuna.

If you don't know that anti-semitism is the world's oldest pastime, you haven't learned about Jewish history. Christmas, New Year's, Halloween, etc, were celebrated in Europe by killing and attacking Jews. There are anti-semitic songs as part of Russian folkloric tradition. Iran recently had a competition of cartoons mocking the Holocaust.Artists from all over the world attended. The list goes on and on.....

Not just US or British army but any other army "terrorizes innocent civilianz" happend to be in an active war zone. It called colateral damage and inevitable in a war zone.

If you "want all war criminals, whether American, British, Israeli, Sri Lankan, etc. to be prosecuted" why there was no UN comissions to investigate other wars? That is why we call this aproach anti-semitic. Did any other army distributed leaflets before bombing?

if you can the names of the leaders, the two of you can hire some lawyers and do the same thing in the same countries. i do hope the two of you realize though, that general accusations won't go very far in court...might not even result in a warrant. but hey! you have the same right to it and they do... maybe not very many actual incidents to present...but you DO have the same right.

Yes, these parasitical "Human Rights" insects will come out from under their stones when the great Israeli enterprise passes by. These parasites are just pathetic.

that day. It failed to protect the Palestinians as it is obligated to do under innternational law and yet found time to escort the settlers thru teh Palestinian village. Yes indeed a light unto the nations.

Europe needs oil. Muslim nations control the oil. Europe needs natural gas. Iran and Russia control the natural gas. Europe is hostile to Israel. Iran and Russia are hostile to Israel. It seems that a scenario is developing where we just might see a larger conflagration in the Middle East. Why can't we all just get along?

terrorists , at least never tried to prosecute any . And now they trying to go after those who defend victims of terror . As a child , when I complained to my mother about unfairness in school in E Europa , she used to tell me that I should be more then good , much more then better , they do not judge you like they judge everybody else . This was decades ego , and still nothing changed . Double standard as ever .

All war criminals should be arrested, tried and punished, not just Israelis. There is no double standard. Israel is not above international laws.

says Goldstone while lefties collect the names of Israeli war criminals and bully world bodies to prosecute them for imaginary war crimes they found in his report. Antisemitic trash. http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/713921 It took 5 minuts of browsing to find the truth....

"War Criminals must face Justice--says the World Law!" - if found guilty Not really. So far you have to lose the war to end up in the dock.

Europe the"capital"of wars.The"epicenter"of occupations,and war crimes.The birth place of fascism and Nazism.The"merchant" of slaves. The home of Ghettos and pogroms.Is now the judge of the Jews.

"The Color of Justice is Green!" - Johnnie Cochran And it is. you have to be fantastically guilty to go to jail in America if you have money or power. If you have no money, you are very likely to do hard time. Indeed, DNA testing has revealed that it is certain that at least 40% of all convicted in the US are innocent.

Nothing will happen anyway,so let them talk,and let them cry wolf.Goldstone himself have said it on CNN.Why?because the American and Russians and the Brits will never let it reach the UNSC. Why?to protect their officers and soldiers that are committing war crimes everyday.So don't you worry,the world's war criminals are afraid to open the pandora box.They are not interested in seing thousands of soldiers and comanders coming to the Hague.Add to that the crimes of Arabs and we will have a century of trials.

What world law. I only recognize laws that I have voted for, and passed by a democratic majority. The dictators run UN does not represent me in any way.

What you and Axel should realize is that Germans or Austrians have no moral authority to give any lesson to anyone.

"The outrage sparked by the Gaza war has failed to subside. In early February 2009, the AKP city government of Istanbul opened a cartoon exhibit in the city?s downtown Taksim Square metro station ―Taksim Square is to Istanbul what Times Square is to New York City― which included cartons depicting bloodthirsty Israelis killing Palestinians with American help. One such cartoon showed a satanic-looking Israeli soldier washing his hands with blood from a faucet labeled the United States. Each month, millions of Turks pass through the Taksim metro station ? a government-owned public service."Palestinians are using the media to spread antisemitism and to win the war. Of course,the rockets into Sderot are another story, for which the Palestinians are guilty. I have read these stories too; one has to realize what they are doing to the residents of Sderot. Israel has to defend itself; do Hamas and Hezbollah wish to genocide the Jewish people. Who will defend the Jewish people in this world?

"Take, for instance, the billboards that Istanbul?s AKP government put up during the Gaza war in Istanbul?s mixed Muslim-Jewish neighborhoods. These oversized billboards depicted a burnt-out child?s sneaker, with a sign saying ?humanity has been slaughtered in Palestine? over it. Under the sneaker, in large print, the billboard quoted the Old Testament commandment ?Thou shall not kill? and added ?You cannot be the Children of Moses.? What does the Gaza war have to do with Jewish law? It is not an accident that a day after these billboards appeared in Istanbul?s cosmopolitan Nişantaşı neighborhood, vigilantes distributed fliers calling for a boycott of Jewish businesses. The next day, Jewish businesses in the neighborhood took down their names." How Palestinians are using the media to win the war and to spread antisemitism. This is the tool of terrorists.

Yaacov Sullivan stated "These same EU lawyers did represent cases involving war crimes carried out in Bosnia, Kosova, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Congo," A collection of banana republics, war zones where not tens or hundreds killed, but millions. Killing fields where civilians were lined up and gunned down, and where police state dictatorships and criminality is the norm. To Yaacov, Israel, with 80 national Human Rights groups, a free and vocal press, a free and independent judiciary, not to mention every foreign 'do gooder' and reporter looking to focus only on the conflict with the Palestinians, this is what Israel matches up with. You have to wonder at what point, who's conscience these people are trying to salve.

Are lawyers in EU going to investigate the war crimes against Israel. Remember the rockets landing in Israel. Not a word was said from these countries. War is hell.When you start one,you better factor in that fact. I would like to draw up all the crimes EU have put upon each other in their history. What a list--England v. Ireland; Spain and their civil war; and Germany. The Arabs love to fight;but don't like it when they loose. If they were not fighting Israel;they would be killing each other.

Are American and british troops committing war crimes in Pakistana nd Afgahnstan when they target terrorists but kill civilians??? When Hamas hides amongst women and children, in schools and hospitals..they are committing war crimes. When Israel targets them, they are committing no war crimes...just going after the bad guys, right? Is it really the IDF's fault that these scumbags choose to put their people in harm's way? Isn't that the question here?

Sir, I regret not being clear - I do not want punish anybody. I suggested that Israel would have a Law akin ones in GB,Norway etc. Any private citizen then can demand arrest of any visiting foreigner he deems to criminally incite against Jewish people. Of course they should be arrested - like in the UK or other similar places - and have a privilege to defend themselves in Court. Of course innocent people have nothing to fear. ps. While some people, apparently you including, may think that antiJewish incitement is not a big deal - we consider it to be a crime against Humanity. Israel should follow example of Spain, GB, etc

I think you'll find Israel is well on the way to falling out with most countries diplomatically anyway. And Lieberman's helping things along very nicely in this direction. If charges are bought against IDF officers in accordance with existing laws, then there's not much any British politicians (or anyone else) can do about it....even if they wanted to.

Interseting concept-what exactly would this law you propose say and who would it apply to. Could I have my wife arrestted for criticizing me?

Consider this: 1) 17: "The Knesset should pass the law stipulating that antiJewish/antiIsrael incitement is punishable by law". 2) Don Boston: "In other words, you want to punish anyone who criticizes Jews or Israel." 3) SDHD: "Consider this: The criticism of Jews and Israel is highly disproportionate." Let me state the obvious that your 3) was written without caring to scroll up and read the 1). Whence your difficulty in following up the discourse. Sounds particularly self-ironic when you title your post: "Don Boston is the one who really doesn`t understand". Take it as a free but priceless lesson.

When will they be accepting the criminal war list from Israel? Why did the EU etal sit on the side lines as Israel warned of the consequences to Gaza of not stopping rocket attacks? Hamas runs amok and what does the EU do? EU, quit making excuses. You had plenty of time to get your noses out of joint before Israel retaliated.

If you were not so stiff necked and read the Bible even if you do not believe in Jesus, you would see the prophecies and understand. Israel will be the stumbling stone to the world. You should be making preparations..

Or is EU just interested in IDF war crimes. While they are at it, can they issue war crimes arrest warrants from Meshal, Al Zahar, who have admitted being responsible for indiscriminate targeting of civilians with Kassam rockets undisputed.

"The criticism of Jews and Israel is highly disproportionate." Outside of the arab world, where there are longstanding hatreds, I do not believe this is true. Anti-semitism has been and remains a problem, as has discrimination against all who are perceived as different. In the last few centuries, setting aside the holocaust, which is unique in recorded history, I do not believe that Jews have suffered any more discrimination than blacks, gypsies, arabs and others living where they are minorities; certainly not as much as US blacks -not by a long shot. One problem, though, is definition. To Zionists, those of us who believe all people are equal, with equal rights, privileges and entitlements are anti-semitic because we dont recognize the "specialness" of the Jews & their history or give credence to what Jews say their God has said. Believe what you want, but you should not be allowed to use your beliefs as weapons to deprive others of their rights.

"Israel only does what any other nation would do when attacked daily, but yet all you haters fell like they are criminals...why?" You're wrong DR. It's sad that you can't see why either. All countries have the right to self-defense. I don't dispute that. However, you're not allowed to target civilian infrastructure or impose massive collective punishment out of revenge for rocketing. That's not allowed. You're not allowed to destroy their water supply or food supply to punish an entire population. I think that's the reason why people call them criminals. Unfortunately, I doubt you'll ever understand that living in Florida.

What difference does it make if the criticism is disproportionate? The significant issue is whether it is accurate.

1. In terms of what crimes are documented in there, I suggest you read the document. However, it would be better if you think of the Goldstone report as a grand jury finding than as something decided in court. If there are no crimes, certainly that would come out in a judicial hearing. Why not have such a judicial hearing? If you are certain no crimes were committed, that would come out in court. 2. I was unaware I made a moral equivalence between police and terrorists (although viewing how Israel treats Palestinians, I can see how such equivalence could be made). Please document your accusation.

"Your understanding of armed conflicts really is troubling: What you call WAITING includes " Those minor actions were part of WAITING -- for a solution to put an end to the whole rocket affair.

Quote: But Hamas for eight years rocketed the Israeli civilian population. These actions are war crimes and are well documented. After WAITING for these eight years, Israel embarked on a police action to put an end to this. Your understanding of armed conflicts really is troubling: What you call WAITING includes Operation Rainbow (2004), Operation Days of Penitence (2004), Operation Summer Rains (2006), Operation Autumn Clouds (2006), Operation Hot (Warm) Winter (2008), For Operation Cast Lead you use the term police action while the rockets coming from Gaza are war crimes. Is your understanding that as long as Israel doesn't use nukes against Gazans it can not be called a war and therefore no possibility of war crimes committed by Israel???

"In other words, you want to punish anyone who criticizes Jews or Israel. " Consider this: The criticism of Jews and Israel is highly disproportionate.

a few words from the KAPO soros who is behind obama, behind jstreet and behind moveon.org..interview taken from 60 minutes... Kroft: "And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps." Soros: "Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made." Kroft: "In what way?" Soros: "That one should think ahead. One should understand that?and anticipate events and when, when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a?a very personal threat of evil." Kroft: "My understanding is that you went ? went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews." Soros: "Yes, that's right. Yes."

You want to punish "antiJewish/antiIsrael incitement." In other words, you want to punish anyone who criticizes Jews or Israel. Fortunately, there are very few countries that punish mere speech as harshly as you seem to be suggesting. Certainly, if Zionists were punished for anti-arab/ant-muslim incitement, there would a lot to prosecute. But that's different, isnt it? You only care about Jews. But no one is calling for prosecution of Israelis for mere incitement. Serious war crimes are at issue and the fact you cant see the difference is sad. Do you really not understand the difference between "antiJewish/antiIsrael incitement" and the deliberately targeting of innocent civilians and attacks on hospitals, schools and UN compounds?

"If the Pals didn't want a war, they should have started building a state when we pulled out of Gaza." (RF) Nonsense. Hamas is the local branch of the Egyptian 'Muslim Brotherhood'. The least concern of this Jihadist terrorist organization is to build a Palestinian state that will live in peace alongside Israel. This was unknown, most apparently, by then-PM Sharon (historians are still debating who forgot to tell him), when he chose to abandon Gaza into the hands of Hamas rather than let Mahmoud Abbas - who had been elected for Chairman by his people, just six months earlier - have the key of the city. The very same one who, one year later, was addressed by then-President GW Bush as "a man of peace who believes in a two-state solution." "President Bush meets with President Abbas", Sep 20, 2006. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/bush092006.html Suggested reading: "A Dubai on the Mediterranean", by Sara Roy on Gaza?s future, November 3, 2005. www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n21/roy_01_.html "By taking so much more away from Palestinians than any other agreement since the occupation began, the Disengagement Plan will prove disastrous for everyone, including Israel." (Sara Roy)

alternative ? The US System the best system money can buy (Simpson/Dershowitz) the legal heroes from Guantanamo not forget. One of the favorite game of some americans here, is to blame Europe. But when a military zero figure shows up, than we have a EURO-Goi for the court (The court jew Goldstone did not work) As Axel mentioned correct, let the courts decide. Thats all rhetorical exercises

The must serve their sentences. The list must include officers, soldriers and politicians.

You guys still dont get it. Not every civilian death is a war crime while some actions against combatants may be a war crime. The issue is the legality of the action and the intent. You obviously have not paid any atention to human rights. There have been many war crime trials in which Jews were not defendants, from Neuremberg (which you support, I assume) to Bosnian/Serb/Kosova and others. As shown by Goldstone, the IDF deliberately killed and terrorized innocent Gazans and continue to commit severe breaches of international law against Pals every day. If you can show that US, British or any other forces have done the same thing, they should be prosecuted also. This anti-semitism thing is so tiring. I can't tell if you really believe it or use it as a smoke screen. I feel very sorry for you if your really, ludicrously believe that "anti-semitism [is] the gentile world`s oldest and favorite pastime."

If you are not confident that the European Courts would mount a fair tria. How about holding the trial under the jurisdiction of the court system of the United States?

Don't get all hissy about the EU looking to investigate IDF soldiers and officers. The Goldstone report did focus on Gaza Jan '09. Iraq, Afghan and other locations have their uniqe status. With the first, UN and NATO approved the military action. No multi-national body supported Israel in Gaza, Iron Cast operation. Play the game, pay the price. It's a runaway train with no one knowing where it will end.

It seems the more extreme Zionists not only believe that their soldiers should be able to commit war crimes with impunity, they assume other people share this same kind of bias. Most human rights advocates do not. We want all war criminals, whether American, British, Israeli, Sri Lankan, etc. to be prosecuted; that is to be given a fair trial in which a court determines whether they should be convicted and punished. In reality, unlike Israel, US and British military authorities investigate and prosecute war crimes by their people, but if they miss some, all help will be appreciated. But you'll have a hard time showing deliberate targeting of civlians by the US, Britain and most other countries. We're not all as bad as Israel. Thus, your "raise" is a farce. It is in no way a threat or disincentive. I encourage you to accumulate and use such information.

"...why would Israel of all countries be disinclined to bring war criminals to justice?" Why would Israel entertain the ridiculous accusations of a UN organ that is blatantly anti-Israeli and makes no such accusations against other members of that UN organ who've done far worse?

I agree with your intent, but disagree re tactics. The names should not be made public. That would let potential defendants avoid foreign travel while letting others whose crimes have simply not been documented travel freely. Every IDF who was involved in questionable conduct should be afraid to travel - this is in itself a form of self-selected punishment. If they know they're guilty, they'll stay in Israel whether anyone else knows or not. Additionally, there will be some arrogant war criminals that will travel anyway, believing themselves above the law. Hopefully, these will be prosecuted. If they knew they were on the list, they would be less likey to travel.

You seem to imagine the European muslims living in slums where they breed like rabbits and teach sharia in wait for the moment when they can overwhelm the unaware population. I challenge you to pick from a mixed group of young Germans and third-generation Turks the Muslims ...

I question whether or not it would be a good thing to bring a case of one but only one Israeli soldier before a court in the EU and have that case telivised and all the testimony and evidence presented for the world and especially the European Left to witness. I say this as a pro Israeli jew, because I would want the world to see Israeli evidence, justification and legal right of self defense, and knowing in a fair system the Israeli would win, and end any further trials by precedent. But alas I do not trust the EU system of Govt, or the courts that would be set up to try such matters.. So any real justice would not be done and surely Israeli citizens who had fought for a just cause of defending their civilians from indiscriminate and criminal bombardment by a terrorist army which used civilians as human shields and the most densely populated swath of land as their battlefield in order to get exactly the bacwardness of what the world is witnessing today of the victim being the criminal

The muslim population in the United Kingdom amounts to 3% of the total. In Israel the Muslim population accounts for a total of 20% of the population. If you do the maths I am sure you will agree the islamification of Israel will occur before the islamification of Europe.

Under the guise of universal jurisdiction and claims of 'human rights'. The fact is, if crimes were committed, then the Israeli court system should be the first stop for any cases committed by its own military. However, rather than pursue the most judicious route, these so-called rights protectors are running to every nation but Israel. Hell, they haven't even attempted to have a case tried in the Israeli courts. All this despite the fact that Israel has a transparent and objective judicial system. Yes, there is much to the charge that Israel is not allowed a right to self-defense if this is the reaction of the activists who were content to remain silent during the years of suicide bombings and rocket attacks.

The Goldstone report is a list of unsupported accusations spun within the tissue of lies, propaganda, and false testimony manufactured by Hamas and its supporters. What crimes are documented in there? NONE. But Hamas for eight years rocketed the Israeli civilian population. These actions are war crimes and are well documented. After waiting for these eight years, Israel embarked on a police action to put an end to this. They dropped millions of leaflets and even called people on their cell phones warning to get them out of harm's way. Hamas used these people as shields resulting in civilian casualties, another well-documented war crime of Hamas. You are trying to make a moral equivalence between the police and terroists. No matter how much world support this gets, none of these outrageous accusations will ever stand!!!

Fine, but in order for the court to worth a dime, they would have to bring anyone whoever went to war on charges. All wars result in civilian deaths.

While British and American soldiers have killed hundreds (if not thousand) civilians in Irak and Afghanistan, while atrocities are taking place in Darfur and other areas of the world as we speak, these clowns are focusing on Israel who waged a defensive war to stop 8 years of rocket attacks on its civilain population. They are relying on "stories" told by the Palestinians who are well known to be excellent in dramatization and lies. I would not even pay attention to this EU lawyers (i.e. clowns). Nothing will be achieved.

numbers don't lie...the muslim population is growing all around the world, especially in europe. This i snot a bad thing in terms of a racial point of view, but when u start to see that islam wants to change culture instead of assimilating into them, then its a problem. England has already begun to allow Sharia law in some areas...crazy! If u look at the rate of reproduction of the average europeans and compare to that of muslims, you will understand my point!

Sorry, but it is not Zionists who consider his opinion on the issue significant, but people in general who are interested in the viewpoint of his military expertise. The BBC interviewed him specifically on the Gaza operation and he testified before the UN on the subject. If you consider the quality of his evidence not sufficient, make that argument, but obviously that is too much effort for you; whether he went to Gaza or not to acquire the evidence on which his argument rests is logically irrelevant.

Again, they demand that Israel be judged by exceptional standards that apply only to it. They focus on other violators of human rights and perpetrators of war crimes, as if no one else in the international community is dealt with, overlooked while Israel is vicitimised, judged by harsher standards when the truth is that for far too long Israel has been overlooked. These same EU lawyers did represent cases involving war crimes carried out in Bosnia, Kosova, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Congo, but that does not faze these apologists for what Israel did in Gaza. It is not only out of ignorance but part of their campaign to make sure Israel is judged by the rules of exceptionalism and it be given carte blanche to do what it does under the excuse of being necessary to Israel's survival.

"It is a well known fact that europe will be Islamic within the next 50 yeras or so...too bad! ... Correct me if I`m wrong!" Yes, you're wrong, it's not well know nor it's a fact, just a plain lie that has nothing to do with the real Europe, nor consistent with migrating demography, dominated by christian immigration. Stop spreading this kind of lies

"I hope that some of the officers that the UK Police have listed come to the UK and get arrested. Lets see how embarrising it would be for the UK." You're very free with others' freedom. Do you REALLY want to see IDF officers in a British jail? Weird for a Zionist. If I was a Cast Lead commander I'd be avoiding Europe from now on, guilty or not.

"Col. Richard Kemp, former commander of British forces in Afghanistan and an expert on warfare" An expert who was as close to Gaza before, during, and after Cast Lead as I was ... that Zionists quote as their crown witness somebody who knows about Cast Lead from hearsay says it all.

how can they know they committed crimes? were they there? did they make an investigation? even goldstone report cant accuse soldiers name by name! isnt this a bit weird?

If you have any evidence that those countries that you mention have participated in war crimes and allowed those soldiers to get away with it. You can take that evidence to The hague like what we are doing. Israel is a signatory of the same agreements that those countries are, and we are all subject to the same rules.

Why would these same lawyeers be interested in visiting the South Africa of the Middle East? I think most of the traffic is the other way, though, thank God, these war criminals will now travel far more cautiously if at all and that is a good thing.

http://www.forward.com/articles/116269/ Goldstone: ?If This Was a Court Of Law, There Would Have Been Nothing Proven.? "For all that gathered information, though, he said, ?We had to do the best we could with the material we had. If this was a court of law, there would have been nothing proven.?"

In Gaza, either two combatants were killed for each civilian (Israel's version) or the reverse (the Palestinian version). In the 1991 Gulf war, a lawful war authorised by the UN, the ratio was 2.125 civilians to one combatant. In the 2003 Iraq war it was 4.5 civilians per combatant. In drone attacks in Afghanistan this year, it has been 10 civilians per combatant. So when are these brave fearless EU lawyers going to indict British and NATO officers? They are not lawyers in the true sense. Real lawyers defend the unpopular against the howling mob. These Jew-obsessed cowards have joined it.

"I don`t think the IDF committed war crimes" Others think otherwise, and where but in court should the question be decided?

antiJewish/antiIsrael incitement is punishable by law. Private attorneys would draw up list of the potential criminals and get them arrested, accused and prosecuted according the Law.

I don't think the IDF committed war crimes. I think they were defending their country from missile attacks. The world will have to prosecute anyone who ever went to war for me to believe otherwise.

for this very reason, the US has veto power in the UN and will never let Israel be pushed around by biased, Islamo-lovving europeans. It is a well known fact that europe will be Islamic within the next 50 yeras or so...too bad! Israel only does what any other nation would do when attacked daily, but yet all you haters fell like they are criminals...why? Maybe its because your media, your teachers, your parents and all your muslim friends have broken down your ability to see reality and think in an un-biased fashion. Correct me if I'm wrong!

criminal engagement in anti-Israel activity is punishable by law and transgressors will be arrested in Israel, charged and prosecuted.

Next time you might like to refer to J. Barrie's Peter Pan instead of Dostoyevsky for the subject of moral compass in the form you could handle without falling for identifying yourself with God and without reducing a classic text to a burlesque caricature (unless it's your little revenge to Dostoyevsky for his antisemitic record?). Peter Pan has a narrative with children-friendly, affordable scheme of evil vs good. More importantly, it is rather difficult to ascribe the God or his agents the liberty of razing or looting the houses of civilians, painting their walls with excrements and shooting at the civilians waving a white flag. By contrast, Peter Pan is a god-like character playful and inventive enough to identify all this stuff with. Think of it, Steve. ;)

Then i suppose military officers from the USA, Britain, France and all the NATO countries that have participated in the war against Islamofascist terror will also be indicted. Well, if these European liberal Israel bashers want to indict IDF officers, perhaps it is time to bring the death penalty on board for all captured terrorists and start with hanging all those in our prisons now.

Col. Richard Kemp, former commander of British forces in Afghanistan and an expert on warfare, said the IDF in Gaza "did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare," so there is more than one view of what occurred. At any rate, as the passionate advocate of international law that you are, you are strangely silent about or even hostile to discussing what Habermas calls "the highly selective enforcement of the UN's human rights policy." The problem is that the very LEGITIMACY of modern law, national or international, rests on its being impartially applied to all under its jurisdiction (Eisenberg, Harvard University Press, 1988, p. 9).

You can take the evidence you have with the names of the people who perpertrated those crimes to The Hague, where they will be investigated. The same laws apply for the United Kingdom as applies to Israel. We have nothing to hide, and are signatories of all the relevant agreements.

Daniel Machover, is the son of Communist Matzpen party founder member Moshe Machover who wrote extensively against the existence of the of Israel long before the Six Day War and the so-called occupation. He left Israel in 1968 to take up residence in the UK. Daniel appears to be a chip off the old block, espousing Israel-bashing causes under the guise of seeking justice. Anshel Pfeffer does not mention his being a founder of Lawyers for Palestinian Human Rights. Israel routinely investigates complaints against IDF service personnel. Culprits are tried and punished. Daniel Machover and his henchmen are merely part of the lawfare being waged against Israel with the object of delegitimising the State. This has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with ganging up on Israel. One unfortunate outcome is that none of the so-called human rights' organisations are addressing most cases of mass murder, torture and deprivation currently taking place worldwide.

What about the leaders of Sri Lanka, Sudan, Burma? This is a total farce and Israel is being singled out simply because it is a Jewish State. I hope that some of the officers that the UK Police have listed come to the UK and get arrested. Lets see how embarrising it would be for the UK. I would predict that after that no other country would be willing to arrest anymore Israeli officers due to the diplomatic fall out.

Yes my friend Richard In europe there are people locked up due to a declaration build on only TWO people. There are a lot of drugusers in jail only because some one did a phony of correct declaration:two is enough to get in jail. by the way: I experienced it myself. no drugs were found on me, but two people testified and me got in jail for short term, but anyway IN JAIL . on the other hand dealers get arrested with dope in their pockets and are selling the same shit the day after!! europe is very decline today...soon been overruled by muslim; then we will get justice and equality for all NOT

Jo: "The report is on shaky ground and will backfire when it is truly investigated fully." So when is Israel going to start, Jo? After all, the Goldstone Report urged the Israeli govt to run its own independent investigation. Maybe its time Bibi did exactly that. After all, Goldstone will applaud him if he did.

V: "Is there any Arab war criminals list ?" In the EU? Why, yes, Vlad, there is. Or haven't you noticed that the Hamas leadership is not in the habit of taking their holidays in Blackpool, much less tripping around the French Riviera? There's a reason for that, sunshine. Care to guess what it is?

Still seeking the names of the Arab war criminals that mutilated Israeli soldiers bodies during the six day war and the Yom Kippur war.

When will prince Edward b be tried for war cimes? having cut off the earlobe of an argentinian soldier as a souveneir of his service in the Malvinas does he not qualify? The murders in Ireland,India,Africa,Israel and the Falklands by British interlopers in uniform certainly qualifies the Brits to recognise war crimes.

As always I wonder whether you are outright stupid or just pretending that you do not understand basic facts. The lawyers in question are not public prosecutors. They are free to choose a case and charge a person within the regulations of their respective state's judicial system. And they are not obliged to a "balanced" approach - lawyers CANNOT be balanced as their profession is to represent the interests of their clientele.

Being the "repeated victim of aggression" is not an excuse for war crimes. If Israel has committed war crimes, should they not be punished?

No problem to forge a passport supported by the Foreign Ministry if one insists to visit those countries from all the places in the world. I don't see it as cheating, those Makovers deserve it if they don't see or don't want to see the difference between defence and crimes.

The question is not whether ONLY Israeli officers are war criminals. It is whether Israeli officers ARE war criminals. If they are, should they not be punished?

No doubt Cipora will have understood that #53 post was for her. Precision is needed since this forum is saturated with j'accuse-styled posts.

!. The simplest defense against libel is to show that the statements made are not true. You have conspicuously failed to do so. 2. If the charges made are true, they stand on their own. Whether or not anyone else is investigated, a crime is still a crime. But of course you as a zionist believe that anything Israel does by definition is not a crime.

In Australia today a frail 89 year old is in prison awaiting extradidition to Hungary on war crimes charges stemming from an incident that allegedly occurred 55 years ago. This incident allegedly involved the death of one person at the hands of three soldiers in Budapest in 1944.The alleged victim was Jewish, is this why this "crime" is being pursued with such vigour?.

the occupation and colonization of paleatine is illegal...any thing violent you use in supoport of it is a war crime...cast lead was a war crime because you broke a truce to go to war against a people under illegal seige and occupation...the only thing legal you can do is leave the occupation and take squatters/w

Simple questions: if Israel commits crimes, should they not be punished? If Israel has to commit crimes to exist, should it not be delegitimized?

In Gaza, either two combatants were killed for each civilian (Israel's version) or the reverse (the Palestinian version). In the 1991 Gulf war, a lawful war authorised by the UN, the ratio was 2.125 civilians to one combatant. In the 2003 Iraq war it was 4.5 civilians per combatant. In drone attacks in Afghanistan this year, it has been 10 civilians per combatant. So when are these brave fearless EU lawyers going to indict British and NATO officers? They are not lawyers in the true sense. Real lawyers defend the unpopular against the howling mob. These Jew-obsessed cowards have joined it.

"Should any EU nation hold an israeli officer illegally just because he defended his country against Arab Jihadist terrorists, then Israel should hold that country`s citizens in internment cells until the Israeli citizen is released!" It's that kind of disproportionate response that's got Israel into the Cast Lead mess in the first place. If we arrest an IDF officer where there is evidence of war crimes, feel free to arrest one of our officers in Israel where you have evidence of war crimes. And you can have Tony Blair any time. Just don't do collective punishment of innocent civilians. Not unless you want to end up in Goldstone's bad book with a ticket to the Hague

Mind you own business! - we didn't interfere in your terrorist papist war led by the IRA against innocent British and Irish protestants!

Should any EU nation hold an israeli officer illegally just because he defended his country against Arab Jihadist terrorists, then Israel should hold that country's citizens in internment cells until the Israeli citizen is released!

Ofcourse Israel is allowed to defend themself, Israel is however not allowed to conduct warcrimes and should NOT get away with it. Neither should Hamas or any other terrorist organisations, but here is the difference... IDF is a military organisation under a democratic country, militant palestinians are mostly under terrorist organisations, does not Israel see themself better than terrorists ? I sure do ... and hope they are, if not we got terrorists with nuclear weapons already.

"and the battlefield is the heart of man" The European community sides with Arab terrorists launching a viscious campaign of murder and blames a moral nation whose army is composed of ordinary citizens from all walks of life that don uniforms 40 days every year to defend their nation. In the end, it will not be Israel, but the European nations themselves that will suffer. Like Dmitri Karamazov (quoted above), lacking a moral compass, they have lost their direction. Honor medical graduate (Dallas, Texas), award winning scientist, and proud reserve IDF officer

It is very easy to switch those lawyers off, to involve them in crminales activities like hold drugs an explosives they will lose their lawyer licences plaese provide us with Law Firms addresses in internet

The ironic thing is that Norway host war criminals in a large number, for many years Norway has been a free zone for people from Balkan and Rwanda who have killed hundred of thousands......

The President of Sudan has been indicted by The United Nations on suspicion of genocide and crimes against humanity.

...as a "proud zionist" residing comfortably in the US, you better do your first reading in zionist history, not in the crudest high-school type patriotic hagiography. If you have never thoroughly read Herzl's Diaries yourself, you can at least trust with confidence the fact that today is a trivial detail even in Israeli top Herzlian scholarship (e.g J. Kornberg): Herzl believed that Dreyfus was guilty, and ceased believing it only when the contrary was known already by most of ordinary people, not only journalists. This myth of victimhood appeared later. Herzl in fact took more sociological look at antisemitism, "dealing" its reasons equally on Jews and the "host peoples". The modern Zionism appeared at the time and place which were the best for the Jews. Nordau's main point of critique of the Western society was that its love for the Jews is too popular, fashionable. If you want, I ca give you a ten-items bibliography on 'Zionist European history', proud American zionist?

is all of this causing you annoyance. You are mispelling words---making silly short posts--highlighting more than before. Gosh I do believe this is all getting to you-----GOOD.

First bring the US and allies to justice for crimes currently being committed in Afghanistan and Pakistan against civilian population, or that doesn't count?

There are 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world... But it always the Jews fault You are all quite mad

can you point us in the right direction where goldstone says this?

Dear concerned pro-israeli friends, let's start playing this game by setting a list of the Hamas and Islamic Djihad who fires rockets on israeli town and who are using their own population as shield...

You can be sure that the IDF has a list of top Hamas terrorists and that one by one they will be dealt with. 900 Hamas 'militants' were dealt with during Cast Lead and have by now faced the Court on High.

Every war has bodies.Eyewitness? Watch some Pallywood. ! Hamas controlls its side of Gaza.Egypt & Israel theirs

This war started because the palestinian arabs fired 1000s of missiles against israeli children and women..Israel had to fight back and stop this like any other nation would..So, Is Israel not allowed to defend itself like any other country? Should Israel just look at its people, its children being butchered by predators from the palestinian arabs?

There is only one way to prevent this situation, and it was mentioned by Obama, Brown and Sarkozy. Israel must appoint its own independent judicial commission to investigate all allegations. The longer they wait the more damage Bibi and Barak are doing to Israel.

Where were these EU lawyers and the so called Human rights groups during 8 YEARS of Hamas rockets launching onto schools and civilians in Sderot ?

...as a "proud zionist" residing comfortably in the US, you better do your first reading in zionist history, not in the crudest high-school type patriotic hagiography. If you have never thoroughly read Herzl's Diaries yourself, you can at least trust with confidence the fact that today is a trivial detail even in Israeli top Herzlian scholarship (e.g J. Kornberg): Herzl believed that Dreyfus was guilty, and ceased believing it only when the contrary was known already by most of ordinary people, not only journalists. This myth of victimhood appeared later. Herzl in fact took more sociological look at antisemitism, "dealing" its reasons equally on Jews and the "host peoples". The modern Zionism appeared at the time and place which were the best for the Jews. Nordau's main point of critique of the Western society was that its love for the Jews is too popular, fashionable. If you want, I ca give you a ten-items bibliography on 'Zionist European history', proud American zionist?

There are 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world... But it all is the Jews' fault!?!?

if ever there was a HD for anti semitism it's the EU. Nothing else seems to matter. War crimes are the signature of Hamas.

No doubt there are incidents that could be called 'war crimes' they happen in EVERY conflict but to believe the Gazans testimonies even under oath is strecthing credibility and ignoring the atrocities committed against Israel by these same people.

Why don't we say that one day Israelis will be very ashamed of themselves and their soldiers and officers acts against the humanity? Crime is a crime and nations are equal. I am from Gaza and believe that any war criminal that kills innocents should be punished even the ones who call themselves freedom fighters. I believe punishment is important to prevent future crimes. Leaving the criminals free will encourage them to murder more innocents in the future.

These so called "lawyers" can be treated as persons supporting terror.

Egypt kept its borders with Gaza sealed,during operation cast lead. Is that not a war crime.? Maybe they were afraid of Hamas taking over Egypt. Then its not a war crime. Of course Egypt may or may not love its Palestinian brothers. Then again, Egypt exports OIL. Funny world. Rather tragic is more true. The media will have another field day, this time for months to come.

in any capacity.They are acting for Arabs. Arabs who cry victim as soon as Israel dares to hit back. Bernstein the founder of HRW stated the bleeding obvious:-" Leaders of Human Rights Watch know that Hamas and Hezbollah chose to wage war from densely populated areas, deliberately transforming neighborhoods into battlefields. They know that more and better arms are flowing into both Gaza and Lebanon and are poised to strike again. And they know that this militancy continues to deprive Palestinians of any chance for the peaceful and productive life they deserve. Yet Israel, the repeated victim of aggression, faces the brunt of Human Rights Watch?s criticism." Any democracy that fights terror will be in exactly the same position if these shysters are allowed to get away with their harrasment.

What about the british war criminals who sunk the fishing boat General Belgrano at the Islas Malvinas War?

his investigation did not produce evidence required for criminal prosecution. They will have to come up with better evidence than Arabs said so.

Who is bankrolling these people? Someone is paying them to do this otherwise they would not be getting so busy There are plenty of real war crimes going on in the world why dont we hear about lists being drawn up in Iraq for instance

The EU lawyers have enough to go to court but only a judge and jury can decide if guilty. Netanyahu thinks that laws could have been broken which is why he wants laws changed. To get to the truth then IDF soldiers need to be questioned but Israel will never let that happened, since it could find some guilty even if it fould others innocent. Gaza is not part of any state with is why UN has problem dealing with them but could be protectorate of Israel since it control the borders.

suspected of Gaza war crimes. Typical British hypocrisy and the others,the British gave in to Lybian terror in the name of OIL. The real war criminals get away with blue murder,but as Israel is a small country and does not have oil and more important it is a Jewish country they are blamed for everything. The British and the others are scared out of their wits to do anything about islamic terrorism.

Regarding the acts of crimes you claim were witnessed by soldiers, they have all been investigated by the state and proven wrong, unless you can show me some that haven't. I have no doubt crimes were committed. Such as using children as human shields and firing from civillian areas. However, the "witness" accounts you speak of from the Palestinians were made without any real proof, under the gentle, guiding influence of Hamas members, which were ever present any time a witness account was given. This is a witch hunt. A murderous mission of persecution against soldiers in a soverign army protectin their own civillians, as opposed to prosecuting the real war criminals, the democratically elected Hamas that committed a war crime with every missle they fired, every time they shot a gun in civllian clothing, and every time they used the neighborhood children as shield.

destruction of Jerusalem? Israels HOLIEST CITY???? Damn Human Rights groups and EU activists against Ixrael only.

not too worried about Gilad Shalit's rights are you or any of the 'human rights' groups!

Is there any arabs ? Yes there are. How many arab organisatios with their members are considered to be terrorists? Do you know, what the word "terrorist" means? Is there any israeli soldier called a terrorist or a war criminal until now?

i would not worry about this madness. The names of all such wittnesses and their affliations give their testimony a very doubtful cast. The report is on shaky ground and will backfire when it is truly investigated fully. this is all politics.

"Individuals without any physical proof of a crime?" Are you dreaming? Of course there is a lot of evidence for involvement in massacres of individual war crimes. Some of the info came from honest IDF soldiers who still have human standards and behaviour, different than those of killer-soldiers.

we know perfectly well that the highly patriotic and highly ethical jewish captain dreyfus was accused of spying against his country france, when in fact he was perfectly innocent. we know that the real traitor was one eszterhazy, illegitimate descendent of hungarian aristocracy. we know that he attained his position in the army through connections, unlike dryfus who had attained his position through merit. we also know that the ignoble condemnation of captain dreyfus split france, with emil zola penning the famous j'accuse. we also know that the split in france was to remain for over a century. on the one side, the royalists, the army echelon, the catholic church, the industrialists. on the other side many intellectuals, some of the army, as proven during wwii, the workers and the free thinkers--and yes, let us not forget, most jews. let us not forget either that the dryfus affair was reported on in person by the young herzl, thus giving rise to modern zionism.

do these eu lawyers have a list of officers from any other country besides israel who might have committed war crimes? or is it the case that according to these eu lawyers only israeli officers are alleged war criminals? will we see the uk lawyers heading this witch hunt go after officers of her majesty's armies? of course, we shall not even mention the congo, darfur, burma, etc.... we accept that israel is better. must she be also better than other western democracies?

Individuals without any physical proof of a crime? Who was this list compiled by? Can people be arrested in the EU simply on heresay? Is the EU also going to start arrestint their own soldiers who are suspected of killing innocent civllians during military action in Afganistan?

"At least be fair"? Who said that war is fair? You go in to win - not give a fair fight. If the Pals didn't want a war, they should have started building a state when we pulled out of Gaza. Instead they started attacking us and building an army. All the money they wasted on arms and terror should have been used to start building a state.

Whether it is anti-semitism or not, consider two questions: did the accused commit war crimes? should people who have committed war crimes be punished?

out of all the crimes and wars going on in the world and problems, this is what the EU worries about. They are so ignorant. One day they will be very ashamed of themselves just like Germany today.

In fact they made deals with them to avoid arrest.

The EU Arabist can indulge in libel all they desire but this will not make it any closer to justice, morality or humanity. To do so they would need to sever their ties to pro-terror organizations like Hamas and investigate all the human rights violations of Israel's enemies.

No state is above the law when it comes to war crimes and crimes against humanity, and Israel is no exception.

yes a lot of people died in the gaza war, but let me pose this question: For the approximately 1300 Gazans killed in the war, look at how 'apprehending these criminals' and the Goldstone report have blown everything out of proportion (not that 1300 people is a small number, even 1 is too many) however, consider the crisis in Sudan, with the dead numbering between 60 000 - 160 000. You really have to try hard to find news about this. And what has the UN done about this?

Sorry but I never heard that there were 20,000 mudered jews by Pals? Where did you get your facts from? At least be fair, God is fair. He doesn't prefer one race to another. Peace

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including Britain? Every war ever fought has civilian deaths. Why the focus on Israel always? Can it be anti-semitism, the gentile world's oldest and favorite pastime?

This is an outrage. A double standard!!!! No thinking ethical person and no Jewish person whatever nationality or religion can let this prejudice stand. It is part of the effort to delegitimize Israel as a nation state and render Israel defenseless. It will never succeed!!

We have the names of the leaders of the countries and all the military leaders from the Balkans War and from Georgia and from Dufar and from Sri Lanka. We have the names of the leaders of the Iran repression and we have the names of the British officers in Iraq so now what.

Daniel Marchover is not from London - He is from Israel, he emigrated to England. He is the lawyer who tried to have Gen. Almog arrested when he came to the London - Many in England wish he would go back to Israel.

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Please make the names public, it is time to put an and to the zionists crimes!

...why would Israel of all countries be disinclined to bring war criminals to justice? Obviously Israel's Foreign Ministry believes that IDF soldiers are above the law. They're not. And arrested they will be. Because Israel to too gutless to bring about a fair and impartial independent investigation of the very serious charges made against Israel's military.

As previous hunts for war criminals prove out, the hunt starts first with the officers and then turns to the soldiers who carried out their orders, so I would be advising anyone who served in Gaza to not ever leave the country.

bravo, if captured those idf officers, i believe there is few people in the west, who believe on honesty and justice. keep it up human rights,