• Published 01:36 21.07.10
  • Latest update 01:36 21.07.10

Jurists say Arab's rape conviction sets dangerous precedent

Sabbar Kashur, 30, had consensual sex with a woman after he posed as a Jewish bachelor interested in a long-term relationship.

By Tomer Zarchin

 

Lawyers for the Arab man convicted of rape by deception and sentenced to 18 months in prison, say they are considering an appeal to the High Court of Justice.

Sabbar Kashur, 30, had consensual sex with a woman after he posed as a Jewish bachelor interested in a long-term relationship.

When the woman found Kashur was not a Jew but an Arab, she filed a police complaint that led to charges of rape and indecent assault.

"If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," Judge Zvi Segal wrote in his verdict. Segal said the court had to protect the public from sophisticated criminals who could mislead innocent victims.

Kashur, married and the father of two small children, has been under house arrest for almost two years since the incident occured.

According to Kashur, he was exiting a grocery store in downtown Jerusalem around midday when a woman in her late 20s began to talk to him. "I would say she set upon me. She was interested in my motorcycle and so we talked. I didn't pretend. I said my name is Dudu because that's how everybody knows me. My wife even calls me that."

Kashur said the verdict is racist.

"For two years I've been under house arrest for nothing," he said. "If I were Jewish they wouldn't have even questioned me. That's not called rape. I didn't rape her in the forest and throw her away naked. She agreed to everything that happened."

In 2008, the High Court of Justice set a precedent on rape by deception, rejecting an appeal of the rape conviction by Zvi Sleiman, who impersonated a senior official in the Housing Ministry whose wife worked in the National Insurance Institute. Sleiman told women he would get them an apartment and increased NII payments if they would sleep with him.

High Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein said a conviction of rape should be imposed any time a "person does not tell the truth regarding critical matters to a reasonable woman, and as a result of misrepresentation she has sexual relations with him."

Rubinstein said the question was also whether an ordinary person would expect such a woman to have sex with a man without the false identity he created.

In the past, men who misrepresented themselves in this way were convicted of fraud.

One such case was that of Eran Ben-Avraham, who told a woman he was a neurosurgeon after which she had sex with him, and was convicted of three counts of fraud.

Elkana Laist of the Public Defender's Office yesterday said the Jerusalem District Court had gone too far in its application of the approach of the High Court, "opening the door to a rape conviction every time a person lies regarding details of his identity. Every time the court thinks a reasonable woman would not have had sex with a man based on that representation, the man will be charged with rape. That approach is not accepted around the world either."

Laist also said the court's verdict was paternalistic toward women. "The test the court adopted is problematic, because it means that every time a man tells a woman he loves her, based on which she sleeps with him, he could be convicted of rape."

Dana Pugach, head of the Noga Center for Victims of Crime, said she thought the verdict was appropriate. "We all have different characteristics, and it is a person's right to have sexual relations with a person knowing the facts about those characteristics. I see no difference between impersonating a Jew if you are an Arab and a wealthy pilot when you are penniless, if those are relevant characteristics to the decision to have sex."

Kashur at home in Jerusalem.

Kashur at home in Jerusalem. “Everyone calls me Dudu,” he said.

Photo by: Emil Salman
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  • 81. 102 0
    Rediculous
    • Harry
    • 21.07.10
    • 20:33

    As an Israeli Jew, this saddens me to see that this is what my country is turning into. This is absolutely shameful. So what is next, if there is a sports car parked outside a house and a man tells a woman that it is his car and it is not, and they have sex, she could charge him for rape after. "He lied to me, I thought he drove a nice car." This court ruling is shameful.

  • 80. 0 0
    The old question
    • Kenneth Kaunda
    • 21.07.10
    • 20:24

    If you promise to pay a prostitute after sex and then don't, is that rape?

  • 79. 101 0
    She should have been MORE CAREFUL, she was a sober adult, she is not a victim
    • Sam
    • 21.07.10
    • 20:14

    She wasn't drunk, she wasn't mentally impaired, she wasn't a minor, she's just a Jew who feels gross about sleeping with non-Jews. Simply put, she should have been more careful than to sleep with a man she just met if she was so serious about sleeping with non-Jews. It seems really sexist, racist and paternalistic to me to run around pretending that Jewish women need to be protected from evil, dishonest non-Jewish men. She is a mature adult, and made the choice to sleep with someone she barely knew. If they are a sober adult, they should be able to do their own damn factcheck and be more careful about who they open their legs for. Anyways, did she explicitly tell him that she would refuse to sleep with a non-Jew? Did she lie to him at all? If I can accuse someone of rape by charging them with telling a lie before sex, then rape no longer has meaning. This seems to be an insult to anyone who has actually been physically forced into sex with someone else.

  • 78. 52 0
    Obviously, he is a fool man, married and a father of
    • Hassan
    • 21.07.10
    • 19:48

    two small children! but what harm did he do to the woman?he didn,t force himself on her, he didn,t abuse her, atleast , according to the article but both of them agreed to have sex with each other willingly. So where does the rape fit in ? may be he should,ve offered her the motorcycle that she loved! who knows may be she wouldn,t have sued him and we wouldn,t have heard the story at all.

  • 77. 50 0
    Cosmetic surgury as deception?
    • Jeff
    • 21.07.10
    • 19:45

    Cosmetic surgery as deception? Possibly the most deceptive of all deceptions? and it goes for men and women. as victims..

  • 76. 11 0
    a question
    • michael
    • 21.07.10
    • 19:21

    "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," Judge Zvi Segal wrote in his verdict. Segal said the court had to protect the public from sophisticated criminals who could mislead innocent victims. So if he had been a Jewish married man?

  • 75. 49 0
    Will the Israeli police now be trawling the lonely hearts columns..
    • Harry Tuttle
    • 21.07.10
    • 19:14

    ..and convicting everyone who lies about their age on a charge of attempted rape?

  • 74. 0 0
    Didn´t she see "something" different?
    • Leandro
    • 21.07.10
    • 19:12

    That sentence is plain racism

  • 73. 88 0
    This conviction is racist and it is an insult.......
    • Deborah
    • 21.07.10
    • 19:09

    ....to all real rape victims. Most men lie at some point in their lives to get sex and any woman with more than two brain cells to rub together knows this. Should they all go to prison? If women and men have sex with people they haven't taken the time to get to know then it's hardluck if they don't know the facts. The judge in both cases should have told the women to grow up and start acting responsibly before they next drop their knickers for the first available man that comes along.

  • 72. 1 0
    she only wanted "serious romantic sex",hit on him,settled for a quickie
    • mrs. potiphar
    • 21.07.10
    • 18:55

    and i bet this (.fill in..........) has gotten other people in trouble before and will again.a human rights advocate thinks it' quite appropriate.

  • 71. 6 0
    Just a little thoughts
    • Rudy Gonzo
    • 21.07.10
    • 18:48

    If there's a man in the whole world who had sex with a woman WITHUOT the help of some kind of (little?) lie, he is the olnly innocent. And, perhaps, he never exist at all.

  • 70. 0 0
    A small detail
    • Eddie
    • 21.07.10
    • 18:43

    Maybe she found out he wasn't circumcised. the article does'nt say, is he Christian or Muslim???

  • 69. 79 0
    If lying to improve your chances of getting laid is rape..
    • Harry Tuttle
    • 21.07.10
    • 18:37

    ..then rape is a hell of a lot more prevalent than I previously thought and is also promoted as perfectly normal in almost every single sitcom on TV. Alternatively, this case is just state racism.

  • 68. 48 0
    Racism plain and simple
    • Bfreesun
    • 21.07.10
    • 18:10

    If it was the other way round would he have been convicted?

  • 67. 43 0
    The Sleiman Precedent and Judge Rubenstein's Test
    • Binyamin in Orangeburg
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:58

    In the Sleiman case, the woman involved is guilty of prostitution and attempted bribery. She knowingly sought to exchange sex for a government benefit she knew she was not entitled to. How was she raped? Judge Rubenstein's test for rape by deception will now require written disclosure documents be exchanged and a consent form signed. As for the case at bar, everyone knows that if and Arab women had come in to that Jerusalem police station complaining of "rape by deception" by a Jew, the cops would have either laughed in her face or one to the guys house and treated him to a few beers.

  • 66. 58 0
    If this is racially motivated....
    • Confused about a "Jewish, democratic state"
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:52

    If this is motivated because the gentleman was an Arab and not because he lied to get the woman to bed, then it reminds me of the laws in the USA that used to be making it illegal for blacks to have sex with or marry whites. Very difficult to argue that this is not racist. But again a great example of the uncomfortable never resolved conundrum of a "Jewish, democratic state."

  • 65. 0 0
    Another example at rape deception
    • Avi
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:52

    A woman teacher was tricked into having sex with an airline pilot after he told her intercourse could cure an infection. And he was charged with rape deception! Unbelievable! The fact is that if the woman is religious, there was a sin there and her beliefs were hurt. Thus, deception.

  • 64. 76 0
    at the point when you consent to sex
    • elewsen
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:48

    At a certain point you CONSENT to sex. If the sex is indeed CONSENSUAL, you decide when that point will be. When you are CONSENTING you are taking a risk that you might not entirely know a person. But thats okay because the good thing about CONSENSUAL sex is that you can always wait a little longer before you give CONSENT. You can get to know the person, go to their home, meet their family, talk to them about their history. If it seems like they have been decieving you, you can decide if you like them enough to stick around or peace out.

  • 63. 0 44
    Dudu
    • shewasdesperate
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:42

    He looks like a fat,ugly person of the Jewish faith. Maybe he was thinner 2 years ago. "motorcycle"! He said his nickname was Dudu.,that's not an Arabic nick.

  • 62. 0 126
    Too many times the Arabs pretend they are Jewish to get Jewish girls
    • Jack
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:37

    After it is very far in the relationship and the woman doesn't have an easy time getting out they found out they men are really Arabs. These people have to be taught a lesson. Stop defiling Jewish woman. It may be racist so what, Most religions are racist in this way If the man would say from the outset he is an Arab thats the womans choice to have a relationship with him. It is against Jewish religion to marry or consort with arabs unless they converted to Judaism. Stop the Arabs from defiling Jewish woman

  • 61. 72 0
    Such "Law" is shameful! Disgusting! ....
    • S
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:32

    ..... To confine a man to two years house arrest for a sexual escapade called "rape"? So what if he lied? Does anyone know how many men and women are lying to have sex? Easily a quarter of them. Possibly more.... So he was condemned for being an Arab maybe..... Shame to who did it!

  • 60. 71 0
    I once asked a girl.....
    • Cormac
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:31

    if she would like to come back to my place a see my model train set.........I've never owned a model train set.......I will be handing myself over to the authorities to report my heinous crime!

  • 59. 77 0
    Imprison my ex-girlfriend!
    • elliot
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:29

    For the sake of the argument: 3 years ago my former girlfriend cheated on me. As she knew I would break up if I found out, she lied to me about it when I asked her. We continued the relationship for another two years. during that time, we had sex about 400 times... If I was israeli, could I file charges against her? She was being very deceitful, after all... would she face 800 years of house arrest, added to 7200 months (600 years) imprisonment for "raping" me 400 times? Gee, I would love this sort of payback, we should have this law here in europe!!!

  • 58. 61 0
    You wanted a "Jewish state"
    • Joe
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:24

    And this is only the tip of the iceberg. The loyalty oath Arabs must agree to in order to keep their "citizenship" will now extend to the bedroom and beyond. Heaven forbid a marriage between an Arab and a Jew? Is there any doubt who's side the court will be on if a divorce happens?Will rape charges follow? Assuming such marriages are ever allowed - which they are not - and therefore, it goes back to the question of a "Jewish state"? History is clear on this, religion divides people and the rule of law brings them together. This case is a microcosm of things to come under a hard right extremist religious "Jewish state" which is emerging under our very eyes. If an Arab accidentally touches or bumps into an Orthodox Jew? There is no shortage of examples in the bible or Talmud that forbid such actions.

  • 57. 55 0
    Jewish rape
    • David Robinson
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:20

    Now that the Israeli courts have introduced a new catagory of international humour, let me be the first: Jewish rape - "but he said he was a dentist".

  • 56. 43 0
    this is racism, not rape
    • Emily
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:20

    First of all, I lived in Jerusalem for 6 monthes and I cant believe that somone could not tell the difference between an Arab and a Jew. I could tell immediately whether they were speaking to me in Hebrew or English. Secondly, by ruling that the woman wouldnt have slept with Kashur if she knew he was Arab, just means they are supporting her racism. If she was attraced to Kashur, why should he have to disclose his race. People often mislead others about who they are in order to have sex with them.--such as not disclosing that one is married. Its not good to lie but at a certain point, its up to you to get to know the people and establish a level of trust before you consent to sexual relations with them. Its not the Kashur had a STI.....

  • 55. 0 59
    Arab sexual morality
    • Yonatan
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:20

    makes it almost impossible for young Arab men and women, whether Muslim or Christian, to have premarital sex with one another.If they do,the women are always killed ("honor killings"), and sometimes the men as well. As a result, the Arab men seek greener pastures, such as non-Arab women (either Jewish or European Christian), or resort to homosexuality. I say this without judging the values of the present case.

  • 54. 1 91
    This is a major problem in Israel Arabs pretending they are Jews get into relationships with Jewish girls
    • Jack
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:18

    Many times it is with younger woman or girls who don't realize the truth till afterward. They then feel forced to marry the Arab. Thats part of the reason there are thousands of Jewish girls in Arab villages. A minimum of 5 years in prison is necessary tostop this

  • 53. 3 0
    Unsafe verdict, overturn now!
    • londonnw8
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:14

  • 52. 55 0
    New Law Needed
    • Boo-boo
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:05

    As a Jew and Israeli citizen I suggest a new law be passed immediately, every Israeli Jew must carry a Star Of David tattooed on his/her forehead from now on, so no other second class citizen or animal will dare come close to us.

  • 51. 0 0
    POSING AS JEWISH BACHELOR
    • K.G.Khan
    • 21.07.10
    • 17:04

    How funny it sounds, the lady want to have sex with a Jewish but not an Arab. She must have enjoyed the Arab version.

  • 50. 0 2
    Will the court stop poligamy in Israel
    • Leon
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:56

    Would the Israeli public wake up and insist that the courts of the land stop rampant poligamy in the arab sector of Israel. It is an open secret that arabs in the Negev and the Galilee father numerous children from numerous wifes. And the Jewish taxpayers keep paying for it. That should and must STOP !

  • 49. 0 0
    Joke
    • a.k
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:53

    is it rape because he was Arab ? Poor man .....

  • 48. 1 0
    kashur
    • Fuad
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:47

    if this is not racist, I wouldn't know what is.

  • 47. 58 0
    NOT RAPE
    • JEW
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:42

    Set this guy free immediately, this is pure racism. He committed no crime and instead of hating a Jew he made love with her! Half the world population would be imprisioned according to this ridiculous judgement! Who in life did not lie at least once to protect oneself or get close to the object of desire? This is the first time in my life I side with an Arab.

  • 46. 0 0
    Of course I'll respect you in the morning
    • Ariel
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:21

    Will that line get you convicted for rape in Israel if she falls for it?

  • 45. 0 0
    Racists, Racists, and More of the same
    • ahmad
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:12

    When I lived in Canada and during my school years I, as many others, includsing Jews, we passed as all kinds of nationalities and creeds to get into bed with that 'cutie', never in my wildest dreams a person would be jailed for 'posing' as the "desired" person! did not she meet him and liked what she seen? did not have good time with him? so what is the problem? is it becuase he is an Arab? shame on you

  • 44. 0 0
    There is no helping
    • Velekněz Ratata
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:12

    just go for it and pretend not to be a nigga, if you come through, you'll find yourself a criminal. Resembles a South Park scenario.

  • 43. 0 0
  • 42. 0 71
    The Judgement should be a Minimum 10 years in prison
    • Serge
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:09

    Again did the court show a very liberal weakness. The weak should be protected. The arab should be getting a minimum of 10 years in prison.

  • 41. 0 0
    Bringing the courts into disrepute.
    • Charles Smyth
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:03

    For the [consenting] woman to win a case on this argument, is like arguing that because a man claimed to be a millionaire, but wasn't, he was guilty of rape.

  • 40. 0 0
    Back ground research?
    • 21.07.10
    • 16:01

    Did't she know hem better? They are both to blame or to have enjoyed the sex.

  • 39. 0 0
    I'm a rapist too!
    • wanderer
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:56

    I think any sane male in Israel should write to the judge self-accusing himself of the same crime this is the only sane reaction to an insane judgment (and maybe an insane law) any man living living in Israel should do it

  • 38. 0 0
    Already 2 years of house arrest? This is SHOCKINGLY racist...
    • Ari - Gefen
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:55

    Did this easy woman ASK him if he were Jewish, or an Arab, or did she just infer? As a result, anybody who lies about their age on a first-date, or an internet dating site could be a rapist.

  • 37. 0 0
    Simply question
    • zaccaria ahmed
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:52

    How many human said truth in love acts?

  • 36. 48 0
    this girl raped the man !!!
    • rafiq
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:51

    this guy did not rape her... if having sex with a jew is so important for her, she should go to her rabbi who'll find her a nice jewish man. this girl is the one who raped the man!!! Se pretended she loved this person but did not love this man at all. She should go to jail

  • 35. 0 0
    Already 2 years of house arrest? This is SHOCKINGLY racist...
    • Ari - Gefen
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:46

    Did this easy woman ASK him if he were Jewish, or an Arab, or did she just infer? As a result, anybody who lies about their age on a first-date, or an internet dating site could be a rapist.

  • 34. 0 0
    Come on set him free
    • Toutou
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:35

    I mean guys what if I posed as the richest person in the world and slept with Madonna. Will I be charged with deception? The onus to discover the real identity of a lover or a suiter lies with the other party. Most affairs are based on deception. Come on guys set the man free and let the woman learn a lesson.

    • 0 0
      What a BS answer TOTOU
      • Sabra
      • 21.07.10
      • 15:58

      Dating is a game of reality or lies and deceipt. If a person is going to have sex, then letsn have them sign off on it. It is far too easy for a woman to cry rape after the fact. It is far easier to decide in advance what is going to happen. Arab or jew doesnt matter you want to be safe, get them to sign off on it, or videotape teh entire scene with their consent.

    • 0 0
      Madonna?!?
      • J
      • 21.07.10
      • 16:47

      You'd deserve a prison sentence if you used deception to sleep with Madonna of all women.

  • 33. 1 0
    Insanity , every man one time or another belong to jail .
    • TOMY
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:35

    Especially younger men , who in order to seduce will bluff . This verdict is a perversion of justice , and should be removed from books , so we men should not became an endangered species . And woman should use common sense if they have any .

  • 32. 58 0
    I am a Serial Rapist
    • David
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:32

    under Israeli law. I admit I have lied in the past to women, even about my religion to get them into bed and have ended up having sex with them. Do I need to leave the country??

  • 31. 1 0
    DOH!
    • Fabio G.
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:13

    90% of the times, the only way to have sex with a woman is to look, talk and act exactly as she wants, and 90% of the times we shamelessly lie, just because sex worth it. Put this into the collection of the stupidest laws around the world, or put all the Israeli males in jail.

  • 30. 0 0
    Without wading into the "racist"...
    • Helmut
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:08

    ...swamp, I would offer this: Considering all of the arguable "misrepresentations" that both males and females regularly make to each in relation to both their relationships and their "relationships"--Israel will go bankrupt fast building jails.

  • 29. 0 0
    Sabbar Kashur's,rape conviction.
    • David Nigel Braham
    • 21.07.10
    • 15:01

    Not rape,but fraud and very sly underhandedness. Let him go.

  • 28. 0 0
    you've all missed the truth
    • mg
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:59

    It's not rape. It's also not racist because the law was first applied by our eminent Supreme Court to a Jew. The real blame goes to the Supreme Court which invented a new definition of rape. That's called 'activism' so beloved by the 'progressives' on these Haaretz talk backs.

    • 44 0
      most certainly is racist!
      • josh
      • 21.07.10
      • 15:45

      this law elevates lying (directly or by omission) about RACE to the level of a material harm. It is inescapably racist. Now, if bald men are sentenced to rape if they wear toupees, i'll reconsider my position

    • 0 0
      Sorry Josh, please reconsider
      • mg
      • 21.07.10
      • 16:36

      It is not racist for a woman (Jew or Arab) to want only a partner of the same faith/race/nation. It is discriminatory, but a form of discrimination that is very much allowed. Sabbar's behavior was material fraud, not rape, but fraud it certainly was. Actually, you jumped on the word 'Jewish' leaving out the rest of the sentence 'bachelor interested in a long term relationship'. We don't know what the judge would have done had Subbar been a bachelor truly interested in a long term relationship. And Subbar's claim 'If I was Jewish they wouldn't have questioned me' is irrelevant; we have to compare to a case of a Jew defrauding an Arab woman by pretending he's an Arab.

    • 2 0
      @mg
      • josh
      • 21.07.10
      • 20:35

      i would say that yes indeed it is racist for a woman to reject sexual partners based solely on their race (that's what at issue in the article/case), but that that sort of racism is a matter of personal conscience. you simply make the a priori claim that lying about race is "material fraud" worthy of legal sanction (rape!!), whereas those of us who are not racist would say that is inherently racist. ONly the mostrabid, right-wing KKK type in the US would propose such a law and it would never make it on the books. And, btw, I have to wonder just how separate your races really are if you can't tell the difference by looking and certainly after such intimacy.

  • 27. 67 0
    Last Night, My Wife Asked me if I Thought She Was Beautiful.
    • Doug
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:59

    I said yes. Later that evening, we had sex. I am sure glad I was not in Israel, or I would be facing 18 months in prison.

  • 26. 42 0
    This is no rape. The world will be all rapists! So what if he was Arab?
    • American
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:55

    The court goofed here and in a big way! She had consensual sex the only thing bothered her was that he was an Arab and thats why she filed on him. Obviously if he was Jewish but she found he was not single things would be different?

  • 25. 46 0
    That is not rape
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:52

    that is obtaining services through fraudalent behaviour. Wonder what the sentence would be if a Jewish man had consensual sex with a christian women using the same technique?

  • 24. 113 0
    Can two people rape eachother at the same time?
    • O
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:47

    When you think about it, wouldn't it make sense for the woman to be convicted of rape as well? I mean we can't possibly think that this man would have had sex with the woman if he had known that she was such a racist bigott. This is clearly a case where the woman did not tell the truth about critical matters, and as a result of the misrepresentation he had sexual relations with her. Yes, to say that someone should be convicted of rape for failing to disclose her opinions of race is every bit as silly as saying that someone should be convicted of rape for failing to disclose his ethnicity.

  • 23. 0 116
    • 0 0
      What about us...
      • Aram
      • 21.07.10
      • 15:06

      ... when we "touch" women and children. AND I don't mean just "touch"!!?? Are we that racist??? That is a great shame!

    • 0 0
      In Biblical times.
      • Maureen Ann
      • 21.07.10
      • 16:18

      You poor deluded racist. In Biblical times the adulterers (including the Jewish woman) would have been stoned to death. Deuteronomy 17.5 then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman who has committed that wicked thing unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones till they die.

    • 0 0
      Funny
      • marco
      • 21.07.10
      • 16:21

      Oh. So now you're a racist as well huh? Jewish women are off limits to Arabs are they? Are jewish women far too good to have an arab have sex with them? Are Arabs inferior to jews??

    • 1 0
      shocking
      • Jerry
      • 21.07.10
      • 18:23

      With all this talk of racism, what is most frightning are the vile comments like Aron's. It reminds me of the American South when blacks could be lynched for even talking to a white women or the race laws of the third Reich for a Jew to marry a "Aryan". Jews of all people should be sensitive to this.

  • 22. 44 0
    Black & White
    • Gary
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:43

    What if he was black but looked white? Would that have been a false premise? What if he said "I love you" but didn't? Would that have been a false premise?

    • 0 0
      brilliant
      • josh
      • 21.07.10
      • 15:48

      the "i love you" bit is excellent. certainly that is more meaningful than skin color/ethnicity (well, except to racists). thank you

  • 21. 42 0
    In the past I have lied to women... any man who says
    • Erastus CoupeDeVille
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:43

    that he has never lied to a woman... is a liar or a virgin.

  • 20. 0 0
  • 19. 66 0
    Dana Pugach is a fool
    • Israeli
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:23

    I am a feminist but calling this situation 'rape' dilutes the meaning of what rape is. She is doing womankind a disservice by supporting this conviction.

  • 18. 59 0
    This is racism
    • Israeli
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:16

    If he pretended to be wealthy, successful etc. she wouldn't have a case. He should fight this to the supreme court. I am shocked at the judgement and police.

  • 17. 0 0
  • 16. 79 0
    I wonder how Israel would react
    • O
    • 21.07.10
    • 14:06

    If a Jewish European man was convicted of rape for not telling his partner that he was Jewish. Would there perhaps be a little public outcry? I think so.

  • 15. 54 0
    Only because he's an Arab ...
    • Angry
    • 21.07.10
    • 13:47

    There's a wave of concerted effort to stop the phenomena of Arab-Jewish mixed relationships. Usually it is Arab men with Jewish women. This is based on (1) racism, (2) jelousy, (3) inferiorit complex, and (4) religous teachings that make marrying outside the Jewish faith a terrible sin. Had this man been Jewish then there would have been no story here! Can I sue a politician who promises me the moon before getting my vote? That's the ultimate form of deception, no?

  • 14. 47 0
    Absurd Israeli Law
    • Froy
    • 21.07.10
    • 13:45

    We all knew that Israel discriminated against its Arab citizens, but this is beyond absurd. Just because the lady was a racist bigot that would never get involved with a goy, courts don't have to uphold her racist views. Condemning him for rape is a not-too-subtle way of criminalizing miscegenation.

  • 13. 0 0
    Is his story confirmed?
    • David
    • 21.07.10
    • 13:43

    Is his story confirmed? It's so crazy that i find it hard to belive that a court in Israel came to this conclusion that it was rape. Seriously?

  • 12. 0 0
    Two years of house arrest ought to be enough
    • Married Guy
    • 21.07.10
    • 13:38

    If I cheated on my wife, deceptively or not, and then got caught for it, and had to go to court to defend rape charges, rightly or wrongly, two years of house arrest would be enough to convince me to never, never, ever think of repeating the crime. He did his time, let's move on.

  • 11. 49 0
    I'm guilty under Israeli Law!!!
    • Dave
    • 21.07.10
    • 13:33

    I once (well maybe more than once) have lied about my profession and ended up having sex with a woman. I think i once said i was a famous DJ and it worked. Opps!!! i better leave Israel quick!!!

  • 10. 0 0
    Rape by deception
    • Ruth
    • 21.07.10
    • 12:42

    18 months jail for lying is ridiculous and in this case, grossly unfair. MK's better watch out.

  • 9. 0 0
    pretty disturbing
    • Max
    • 21.07.10
    • 12:32

    If any Sex had under the circumstance that one person has wrong believes about the other is a rape, we need a new word for what we call rape today. Because it is something fundamentaly different to feel weird and angry because You had agreed sex while being lied to and the trauma that derives from being violantly forced to be another persons sex object. I am very excited to see all the women who believed their lovers would leave their wifes reporting rape incidents to the police ... because they had sex while being lied to. ..

  • 8. 47 0
    Ridiculous
    • slovo
    • 21.07.10
    • 12:05

    If we were to convict everyone of rape where one party exercises an element of deception over the other to get them into bed we'd have prisons even more overcrowded than they already are. People misrepresent themselves in relationships all the time, from "trust me" to "of course I love you", that doesn't make it rape, it just makes the other party a bit gullible. Honestly...

  • 7. 69 0
    two words
    • penny
    • 21.07.10
    • 11:21

    institutionalized racism this is appalling and so blatantly unjust...

  • 6. 0 47
    sex outside of marriage
    • Robert South Africa
    • 21.07.10
    • 11:04

    should he not be stoned by other Arrabs ?

  • 5. 81 0
    really?
    • al brown
    • 21.07.10
    • 10:51

    will they convict a woman of the same crime for having breasts implants and not disclosing that in advance, if the man claims he thought they were real.......my point, where does this "deception" charges stop...for ages men and women have been pretending, one way or another, to be someone they are not to get laid or to obtain certain advantages from a relation and now some judge wants that to be a crime.. good luck with that!

  • 4. 44 0
    And we dare call it justice, WHAT A SHAME
    • Amos
    • 21.07.10
    • 10:38

    It was a good looking young man and she wanted to have sex with IS THAT A RAPE of course, being arab the man should have refused the temptation only she was good looking and sexy who can refuse a thing like that? there is nothing criminal in all that.

  • 3. 56 0
    Outrageous, poor man
    • Sharron
    • 21.07.10
    • 10:27

    Totally outrageous, this guy did nothing wrong. The sex was consensual. Any charge against him insults societies intelligence and discretion: He wasn't representing himself for marriage or even a relationship - simply for sex. Society is fully aware that sex is a physical act and doesn't necessarily lead or mean to anything more. Where does one draw the line? And would a woman be charged for rape in the same context, for instance for telling a man she wanted a relationship when she just wanted a one night stand? Poor guy. One final thing as for the case of Zvi Sleiman, so if he had come good to the women he slept with and given them a flat and cash, that would be prostitution, and by criminalizing him and not the females involved are we condoning prostitution? Women have a choice about who they have sex with and if they do it for the promise of a flat or promotion then they do so at their own peril. I just hope he was at least good in the sack.

  • 2. 52 0
    scary
    • teuz
    • 21.07.10
    • 08:49

    ...I wonder whether someone would admit that the other person being rich as opposed to penniless was a crucial discriminant in them having having sex and therefore file for rape. scarily, though, we have come to a point when national identity being a discriminant is not regarded at all as a problem in the law. I know I would be very very disturbed if in Italy, say, or UK, a person filed a similar charge because they had subsequently found out the person had lied about not being Jewish. I doubt any of us would not.

  • 1. 69 0
    really?
    • the truth
    • 21.07.10
    • 03:42

    Fraud yes, rape no. The sex was consensual.

    • 2 0
      not even fraud
      • josh
      • 21.07.10
      • 15:40

      so do gold diggers need to disclose their mercenary aims? this is absurd. i wonder if they had laws like this in apartheid SA? btw, where are all the israeli apologists defending the law by pointing out worse laws in other countries?