Israel working to thwart Russia arms deal with Syria
Netanyahu asks Putin to stop deal involving sale of advanced P-800 Yakhont supersonic cruise missiles; Israel considers this weaponry dangerous to its navy vessels in Mediterranean Sea.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Israel news RussiaIsrael is trying to prevent an arms deal between Russia and Syria, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to stop the arms sale involving advanced anti-shipping missiles.
The deal involves the sale of advanced P-800 Yakhont supersonic cruise missiles to the Syrian military. Israel considers this weaponry capable of posing significant danger to its navy vessels in the Mediterranean Sea.
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The P-800 Yakhont supersonic cruise missile. |
In a conversation with Putin, Netanyahu told the Russian leader that missiles his country had delivered to Syria were then transferred to Hezbollah and used against IDF troops during the Second Lebanon War.
Meanwhile, Ehud Barak is scheduled to travel to Moscow for what will be the first-ever visit by an Israeli Defense Minister to the Russian capital, where he plans to discuss the matter with his host, Anatoly Serdyukov.
A senior Israeli official who asked to remain anonymous due to the sensitive nature of the issue, said Israel and Russia have been engaged in discreet dialogue over arms deals to the region.
But as these talks have not yielded any results, the decision was made to upgrade the level of discussions with a senior political figure.
"We have been working on such a visit for more than a year and it is very important to us," the official said.
As the Russian Defense Ministry is considered to be overwhelmingly pro-Arab, the opportunity for an Israeli Defense Minister to make an official visit is considered a historic development.
Netanyahu called Putin on Friday, after a long period of time in which the two had not communicated. The prime minister updated his Russian counterpart on the direct talks with the Palestinians that are expected to begin next week, and some of the conversation centered on the arms deal with Syria.
In addition to Syria's transfer of advanced Russian anti-tank missiles to Hezbollah, Netanyahu also mentioned the incident in which Syrian-acquired Chinese-made C-802 anti-shipping missiles were used by Hezbollah to target an Israeli destroyer. He expressed Israel's concern that the new missiles from Russia will also make their way to Hezbollah.
The latest arms deal was first reported in the foreign press in late 2009, and is said to include P-800 missiles which now come in models that can be launched from land.
The highly accurate missiles have a maximum range of 300 kilometers and carry a 200-kilogram warhead. The weapon's unique feature is its ability to cruise several meters above the surface, making it difficult to identify on radar and therefore intercept.
The C-802 missiles currently in the Syrian arsenal have a range of 120 kilometers, carry a smaller warhead and lack the accuracy of the more advanced missiles.
Israel's defense analysts are concerned that these missiles in the hands of Hezbollah would pose a serious threat to Israel Navy ships operating out of the Haifa port, and possibly also out of Ashdod.
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Israel just hates for anyone else to tell it to do anything. Israel denies having nuclear weapons. Israel has received as gifts from Germany NUCLEAR submarines armed with rockets, thus threatening all countries in the ME. And not it cries foul when ANYONE else arms themselves to defend themselves from Israel. What rank hipocracy! Absurd! The US has GOT to stop giving Israel any more aid of any kind. It has become an enemy of the US and the rest of the world.
the russian's are the problem. they cant find anyone decent to deal with and they couldnt care about anyone else either. who would have thought that communists would be so money hungry? lousy russian animals
while begging the Christian west for weapons and women and actively begging the other Christian countries from giving weapons that level the fighting field to the arabs. For some people who believe in the divinity of the state of Israel they sure depend a lot on lobbying the followers of Christ and on sweating that no one gets weapons. It is very different getting your fictitious reputation that you are a good fighter with defenseless Palestinians and it is something different when getting it from an equally armed enemy, hence, the anxiety with Iran.
If Israel wants to stop Russia from selling these cruise missiles then all that Israel needs to do is to demand the U.S. to boycott any Russian goods unless Russia gives in. When has the U.S. ever not given in to their boss, the Israelis? Thanks to the Israelis the U.S. has lost respect all over the world. The U.S. Congress is controlled by AIPAC and everyone knows it.
Russia is determined to do everything that it can to supply and help Iran and Syria with regards to weapons. Is the U.S. just as determined to help Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc? What is the point of Israel having expensive military jets, ships and tanks that can easily be knocked out by missiles that cost so much less and fired by as few as a one to three crew? What upsets the most about the Russians is that during WWII they suffered large losses to the Nazis and the Jews also suffered large losses to the Nazis as well yet they are now enabling others to try to kill Jews again in large numbers. Is it antisemitism and/or economics? Before WWII, there were 6 million unemployed Germans. After WWII, there were 6 million dead Jews. The Nazis did it.
I think Russia only wants a more fair fight.
What if Israel would buy ALL the wepons the neighboring Arab countries want to get. Just need to ask your Uncle Sam pumping more US tax dollars out of Americans' pocket.
the coward IDF will never take the chance. Despite all the best military hardware we give them, they still feel insecure, and always will; they are only as good as their equipment.
what a mercenary rude mentality ! the worst threat on what so called israel (occupied Palestine) is the Israeli and netanyahu u r on the top of the list
log in to Haaretz..com for a very interesting contemporary take on current tensions in the mid east from the israeli perspective,some arabic comment is also printed,and I make the point,they are,a democracy,their govtments can be removed peacefully,makes you think.
Russia risks a fire in the neighborhood. Syria lets her children play with matches.
This included the US and others who make war their main source of national income at our expense.
Essentially Israeli provided weapons were used by the Georgians against Russian troops. So to then complain that Russian supplied weapons to Syria ended up in the hands of the Lebanese Army and were then shot at Israeli troops is the stuff of jokes. Israel provided weapons to a country at war with Russia, prehaps cleaning up it's own house would help smooth relations.
who helped to modify Georgian Army? gruzins killed many russians and they used military facilities made in Israel
I am glad that Russia is involving itself and evening out the playing field. Hopefully my elected representatives will realize that throwing money into this neverending moneypit no bigger than a postage stamp has been a failure and a waste of money. It has only allowed Israel to do more harm to its neighbors and itself than it has done good. The only solution is PARITY. The supremacists of Israel cannot hold the status quo in the middle east and be the minority. This country is like the Napoleon of the Middle East with even bigger aspirations of conquering and colonizing.
The regional bully reveals itself.
Does anyone remember the war between Georgia and Russia over Ossetia and Abkhazia?Probably Israel forgot it,but the russians didn"t.Israel sided with Georgia and even sold them weapons,inter fering in a conflict against russian interests,without any necessity.What possible gain Israel could have by provoking the russians? .Only the blindness and stupidity of the israeli "strategists" could have conceived such policy.Now it is time for pay back:you helped our enemies,so we help yours.
If Israel does not want to make fair peace with all its' Arab and Muslem neigbours, then it is hypocrisy to ask third countries to refrain from delivering sophisticated weaponry to them while Israel holds upper hand . I just ask myself what would Israel offer those countries in return? The fact is that Israel's international stand was never so low as it is now.So, stop asking others to do you a favour!
Start providing modern weapons to Russian enemies: Georgia, Moldavia, Polish etc. They were already taught and will reap once again the consequnce of there foolishness
that the French are going to sell the Lebanese Army some Anti Tank missiles Which Israel is also trying to block. Which makes one consider whether Israel has made plans to invade Lebanon in the near future?
What a lot of you people don't understand is that Israel can lose only 1 war ,the Arabs can loose many. Or perhaps you do understand.
We must remember that the Jews helped to organize a night attack on South Ossetia. Preparation, training and planning - all for the aggressor Israel has done. Drones?!
Israel should seek peace with her neighbours, instead of trying to be the best equipped military guy in the ME. As long as the US military industry enjoys and exploits the Israeli wish to be overmilitarized, Russia and China will seek to balance their military industry sheets, too - by selling weapons to ME countries. As far as peace and normal life is concerned, such a situation goes nowhere. It's a dead end, like all arms races.
im from sweden and to me israel seems like a lunacy state, they demand stop fo Iran on nuclear reasons, they demand stop for Jordan on nuclear reasons, they stop Russia on Syria and Iran, cmon, does israel rule the world? this is getting awkward since israel get high tech weapons from the US annaualy, how about we stopping that? hypocrites!
I "Hope"...They "Have"...the Counterweapon!???Once for Sale-Made by a Foreign Country,They Business!Now What?S-300 is Made in Russia Too!!!
Israel ask russia not proceed the sale of P-800 to lebanan, and lebanan is asking US do not procedd to sale any arty to Israel. do you like it
cannot have weapons systems that would harm Israel's regional hegemony. Well too bad because in this economy, selling weapons is all about job creation and less about what concerns Israel may have.
who send their troops or pilots to fight for the Arabs Without declartring war of course,so they can cry victim when they get a return serve.
particularly pertaining to weapons sales. The fact is Russia has spent billions of roubles upgrading Syrian ports for it's navy. The sale of these missiles along with the S-300 is to protect this valuable Russian asset from attack When Barak goes to Moscow more than likely he will be asked to swivel. But it is nice to see that Israeli politicians are still deluded enough to think they can make a difference to a private contract between Russia and Syria.
I assume the deal will be done. The weapons will end up with hezbollah and Israel's navy will be farther out to sea. Perhaps ineffectual in blue water. Israel will need plenty of nape, daisy cutters and a few thousand cheap rockets of their own if they have any chance of containing Syria/hezbollah in the next war.
Who the hell do you think you are.
Guess, Israeli fighters will be bombing Russia soon.
Wow! After the Cast lead fiasco and the Mavi Mamara death watch Israel expects Putin to sympathize with poor put upon little Israel? Getting in bed with the big boys is no longer tribal warfare. Looks like pussyfooting around with unarmed civilians has bred overconfidence in the INF. This is not good for Israel. But as Joe Kelsall has stated, tough! If only Israel devoted as much to peace as she does to war, we might be proud of her politicians yet.
and maybe they will think it over .
we see a real threat upon our doors created by super powers wanting to test thier weapons without any threat to themselves and who best to sacrifice but us the jews
haaretz, anti israel and german owned, would love nothing better if one of our ships get hit with one of these missles and jews died... good press and good for circulation among all the anti semite/israel bigots haaretz caters to.
It means Syria may gain the ability to protect its waters. The worst thing for Israel is "Arabs resisting Israeli opression, operations and invasions." That's why this should be stopped. Am i right, bibi?
anarm Israel!
russia has always made every attempt to insert itself in the middle east. russia's goals have always been the same: weaken the united states and increase its own global reach and dominance. the extremely weak and inapt obama administration has only fueled russia's ambitions. in this age old rivalry, russia sees israel as a pawn to be neutralised. however, russia would do well to remember that history has not been kind to those who would callously disregard the existential interests of smaller nations.
We will deal with the threat, the problem is that the Hezbanese will pay a higher price. So go enjoy the purchase dudes
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=YAKHONT+NUCLEAR+WARHEAD&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CZ2PUAjN3TJ_ZEJXcygSRiYEGAAAAqgQFT9BJCBI so are s 300's IF FITTED WITH NUCLEAR BOMBS DONT BE FOOLED ISRAEL THESE ARE NUCLEAR WEAPONS if so armed THATS WHAT THEY ARE MADE FOR THERMONUCLEAR EXPLOSION 'HALF HYDROGEN HALF URANIUM MORE BANG' PER BUCK' just like my los alamos physics professor always said thats how we build nukes stateside...looks like debka says Israel will get more nuclear weapons, subs etc ITS A NUCLEAR ARMS RACE dont be FOOLED
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The Russians will sell to whoever is willing to pay the price. Syria is willing to give Russia two Mediterranian ports for its use, so they will get the missiles. Indeed, the given Israeli reason, that Hizballah may get the missiles, not only is ineffective (because Russia does not consider them terrorists), but it is also fake. Hizballah does not have the ability to identify a target far away at sea, so they wouldn't be able to use the missiles effectively. For Hizballah, the shorter range missiles already in Syria's possession are even better. Israel probably just wants Syria not to get this weapon. The Syrians probably will.
Russia doesn't necessarily gain by destabilizing the Middle East. They already refused to upgrade Iran's anti-aircraft capability. Transferring Russian technology to Hezbollah is not necessarily in Russia' s best interest.
Assad can't and will not get in to a war with Israel , it is enough for his goverment to give the impression that they have weapons . .
you are not the chosen ones! they can buy from anyone
enough of invading other country's airspace and waters, it will be good to have weapons in Arab hands that make Israel consider peace for a change.. it soverwhelming military superiority has not brought it peace.
that's what endangers it
israel must be top dog to deter the blatant hostility that surrounds her,if she adopted a less militaristic posture,as prior to the 6 day war,or the invasion by the egyptians,it would be tantamount to declaring open season on themselves, takeope seaso
and Jordan to purchase Piper air planes everything else is shifting the balance of power. After all those F35's are quite expansive and we don't want to put them in any danger.
Be it Czarist Russia, the Soviet Union or today's Russia, they are, to say the least no friend of the Jews and never have. Except for Gorbachev.
and america arms israel fair is fair !! Both will have same capability!
It would be in better position to ask a favor from Russia
Russia is sending Tel Aviv a very clear message. Russia has deployed S-300 batteries to South Ossetia and effectively closed that route for a sneak attack on Iran by Israel.. Remember that Israeli RPV, being piloted by the IDF over Russian territory that was splashed by a Russian Mig-29? The idiot Sakaashvili thought that he could let the IDF stage out of Georgian airfields - entirely contrary to the interests of the Rodina.. Guess it's time Putin pulled Israel's leash. Ain't pay-back a bitch!
Just keep your navy within your borders and it will be safe. Simple.
"Israel's defense analysts are concerned that these missiles in the hands of Hezbollah would pose a serious threat to Israel Navy ships operating out of the Haifa port, and possibly also out of Ashdod." Yeah, I suppose they would. Mind you, Syria has to be concerned with those same Israeli navy ships, because those ships are armed with the USA equivalent of these missiles. Honestly, Israel acts as if it were somehow "unfair!" that the Syrians (indeed, anyone) has anything better than a rubber-band and a spitball.
Perhaps Israel should think again. The US might condition its sales of weaponry for the benefit of the Israeli occupation and settlements, but that's not part of the Russian agenda.
Clearly such weapons will be used in self-defence: It's Israel that has invaded Lebanon 5 or 6 times, with an extended period of occupation - not vice versa.
good book that mentions this by Ronen Bergen.
Israel has done this recently with Iran/Egypt/S.Arabia/Lebanon and now it's Syria's turn. Israel insists on keeping everyone in the region incapable of defending themselves against its hostility. This, while the biggest threat to peace in the M.E is Israel who is armed to the teeth and has repeatedly used its force against civilian populations. M.E nations needn't arm themselves were it not for Israeli hostility. All weapons sales to Israel need to be immediately and indefinitely suspended.
Assad's regime is on the verge of collapse. In lieu of acquiring advanced weapons, Assad could center his focus to rapidly deteriorating economic state. Syrians are starving to death. Unemployment, inflation and poverty have engulfed the entire country.
Why hide behind a muslim name? Readers are not stupid
GODS PUNISHMENT FOR GOING AGAINST HIS LAND THE PROMISED LAND. HAARETZ SHABBAT SHALOM
as long as president assad and his family eat, thats all that maters. who cares about the people long live asad
Get use to it - Next time you'll think twice before you cross your neighbour's border.
Syria did it several times and and what is the result?
and other Western countries either from military aid, loan guarantees, on the cheap or practically free.
Attack nations within range. See Russia rush to sell them weapons to protect themselves from you. Act first, think later, repent at length.
Israelis have no spirit or bravery to fight with. You have bean beaten by militias before ! and now you want syria with no weapons so you can overcome it!!!Get out of ME and now. bunch of weaks.
and be the leader. Come a show the Israelis what bravery is and gird your sword to be a hero!
I think the best would be that all the Arabs destroying our lives in Europe move back to their roots = desert. Thank you in advance
Ah the perfect symmetry of balance. Beautiful to behold is it not? As for the missiles no big deal unless of course Israel plans to attack Lebanon.
or pro money (you know, $$$$$$). One can bere sure, if Israel would have ordered such missiles from the Russians and paying cash, they would gladly supply.
"Israel always bites more than it can chew."... What we cannot chew,We'll throw it at you.
A man of wisdom fails to understand why does Israel attemps to challenge regional powers like Turkey, and even Iran. Rest assurred, Israel is more vulnerable than any of the ME states. That's why they always stay on alert.
If you want peace ask for full normalization of relations in exchange for the peaceful return of the Golan Heights.
as Britain returned home from all her colonies and is in peace with the rest of the world, she also gave up her nuclear weapons and dismissed her formidable army and navy.
Apparently Israel thinks only they should have a huge arsenal of the most modern lethal weapons - every other country in the ME should be armed with nothing more dangerous than a lump of foam ( after its been approved by Israel!)
Israel thinks it has the right to attack any nation at any time without consequences. This is NOT a 'double standard.' It is a mentality which resists the obvious. That when a nation is attacked it will take actions to prevent further attacks. Between 1948 and 1973 Syria attacked Israel several times. Israel responded by acquiring the arms to defend itself against Syria. Since 1973 Israel has attacked Syria, yet somehow believes that Syria would never respond as it did. This is not a 'double standard'. It is insanity.
why does not Lebanon sign peace treaty with Israel? There are no internationally recognized land disputes between these two countries, after all!...
Don't talk nonsense ! What ? All the Arabs have nothing more than a lump of foam !? Really !? . They have more arms of every kind,colour & hue than China, except N.weapons. & we are not counting the rogue State Pakistan. Right now the flood waters are keeping them at bay.If Pakistan is inundated for 15 years,there is hope that the Taliban will wither & fall.And only after that,Pakistan having licked her wounds there might very well be a more sober policy,instead of threatening the world & chopping off heads.
Apparently Israel thinks only they should have a huge arsenal of the most modern lethal weapons - every other country in the ME should be armed with nothing more dangerous than a lump of foam ( after its been approved by Israel!)
The arab countries have wanted to destroy Israel since its creation. Nothing has changed since. Therefore, if you dont want to see Israel on the map then there is nothing wrong in Russiia supplying the Syrians and subsequently Hezbolla. for Israel
Read the article again. The problem is that Syria has a history of transfering these weapons to the Hizbbolla which has no legal business having these weapons. They do not legally run a country and have no business in Lebanese foreign policy.
Tough !
Tough !
Tough !
Israel sure looks dumb running around the world asking this one and that not to sell arms to other countries. Israel sells her weapons to whomever she pleases. Such chutzpah. No wonder you guys are pariahs. Problem is these fools think they are the center of the universe. Folks are laughing at the stupidity. You aren't dealing with our US Congress, your sugar daddy. Putin could care less about your wishes. Good for him. Perhaps you will stop picking on your neighbors if you get a bloody nose. NO more free romps.
Israel should inform the Russians that if they decide to sell advanced weaponry to Syria Israel will sell advance weaponry that will then be distributed by third party the Chechen freedom fighters. Maybe then Russian will reconsider there arms deal.
dont mess with Russia
...attempt "to punch above his weight." (Of course that's based on "the odds," so to speak--and one can always try and beat them.)
Wouldn't advise getting into that little game with the Russians.
Chechens are freedom fighters, Palestinians are terrorists. lol.
and that turned out well for the zionist,,hay
"Maybe then Russian will reconsider there arms deal." I would doubt that, but I would be certain that the Russians would reconsider what to do about that yap, yap, yapping lapdog that is proving to be So Very Annoying.
I would love to see israel doing that!
Are you really advocating an official state of war between Russia and Israel? That is exactly what your post suggests. You are also suggesting that Israel become a principle supporter of terrorism. Or haven't you noticed the tactics that the Chechens use?
Sell advanced weapons to Chechens AND to Georgia & Poland! And how about DONATING advanced weapons to Greece? The US can play the same game as the NEW "Axis of Evil" (Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Venusuela, North Korea).
would backfire,,,then Russia will arm Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas with all latest weapons...
is this a joke ? israel selling/giving arms to Muslim terrorists ?
You would have ruin your country.
You mean, like they've been selling weapons to the ones in Georgia?
Those freedom fighters always have big bucks for top-shelf military hardware. Right. Meanwhile, I read the description of Iran-Contra in Wikipedia and almost bust a gut laughing. Israel insisting on responsible arms sale policies??? Haaaaaaaah! I think for the right price, they (GOI) would sell arms to Hezbollah.
Sell advanced weaponary to the Chechen Rebels and Israel will more than likely hear the news. S-300's to iran would be just the start, afterall tjIsrael would have taken their gloves off, so would Russia. And after selling arms to the Chechens what next, Russia would be selling arms to Lebanon, Syria, Iran.
This is what I call a good tit for tat against Russia.
Not even Nutty Yahoo would be that stupid. Remember Georgia? The Russians rounded up 1000 Israeli "advisers" and shipped them back to Israel. Next time you won't be so lucky.
F35 and F22 and nuclear bombs are dangerous for no one.
Isn't easier to give Palastinians their rights and let them live in peace instead. I wonder how much money Israel spend on weapons vs social programs? I beleive the days of israel military supperiority are over.
Israel spends nothing on weapons, the US gives them 3.2 billion taxpayer dollars per year just for that purpose.
The time Israels military superiority is over the time for Israels existence is over...
The light unto Nations, lost its logic and prudence, under the devastating feeling of superiority, military power and greed for more land grab, so much so under Uncle Sam protection and encouragement. Stop crying Baby, do your homework, and you will succeed. Nothing is free
Its reported that 70% of Israeli exports are weapons based or offshoots from it, while 30% of internal economy/jobs support the military, like making tanks, rockets, guns and aircraft avionics. The R&D in these areas also helps other non-military fields, which a large part of funding comes from US now, not counting the $3B in direct military aid.
Amazing how people change the subject matter! We are talking about the weapon sales to an Iran's proxie country an enemy of Israel Syria. What doed have to do with the Pals? Typical of being one sided and BLINKERED.
...but this stuff just makes me long for the days when human beings--being the ornery beings they are--had little more than spears and clubs.
You said you long for the days that ordinary beings had little more than spears & clubs.... But with those same spears,clubs & matchets: the Tutsi .Hutu,Muto ,& Futo killed ,murdered & massacred over 6 million people !
because its Israel and they think they can tell the world what to do and when to do it.they so funny whats next? are you gonna tel the UN how many kids the people of the world should have?
They call it chutzpah
I am sure Barak will let the Russians know that if they sell to Syria, then Israel will sell to Chechnya, Georgia and other potential conflict partners of Russia.
Putin will sell for money. Israel can buy the same missiles from Russia. Of course, only Israel has the right to acquire arms from the rich uncle in Washington, not to mention WMDS in Dimona.
..... which cannot be said about Hezbollah or North Korea or Iran who talk about it way too much .... And Israel is NOT the wimp South Korea is ....
But they are the most beligerant country in the M.E. and they love to kill Arab civilians. So give the Arabs some weapons to defend their people against Israeli terrorism and agression. At least the Russian politicians do not have to worry about the AIPC.
As Carl von Clausewitz, who knew a thing or two about warfare, pointed out in his writings 'On War': When opposing forces are reduced to their most dangerous weapons, there is no option but to use them. Hezbollah may gain the use of advanced weapons from Iran and/or Russia, etc., but Israel will have no option but deploy its most devastating capability, from the get go, so that Hezbollah can do the least damage.
..and stop force your views on the whole region. It's laughable you try and stop all your neighbours arming themselves when you are armed to the teeth, and then some. I hope Russia doesnt budge. Syria is a sovereign state and is entitled to arm itself the same as you are.
That is if you are old enough to remember or read history books. IS that Syria is in a state of war with ISrael and has in teh past attacked her without provocation. Frankly Syria needs to be slapped down,. If she sends any of these weapons to Hizbullah Gam,e on Syria gets it. If she fires any, she gets it. Damnascus is a short flight for a hreicho missile and Dmascus can end up flattened
Israel has only ever wanted one thing: to live in peace with its neighbors. If its neighbors stopped threatening its existence, no one would need any arms.
Israel was threatened with extinction. In May of 1948 the situation was dire, and survival was in question. Even the successful attack upon Egypt in 1956 did not dispel the threat. Nor did the fantastically successful first-strike against Egypt and Syria eliminate the threat. it only swelled the head of Israel and let it indulge dreams of invulnerability. The savage coordinated attacks upon Israel by Egypt and Syria in 1973 induced a sense of intense paranoi even as the threat of national extinction vanished forever. That paranoia led to the rise of the extreme right, and those who had always opposed those who created Israel, a dominance which has not ebbed. Israel is a paranoid nation, perhaps most threatened by it's own insecurity and the resultant inability to cope with reality. It is not reasonable or rational to ignore that paranoia, that insecurity, and that obsession with 'security' which causes Israel to avoid any realistic attempt to create security by normalizing relations with it's neighbors. Indeed, the impetus of the Israeli right is to reject peace with all nations in pursuit of a security which can never be achieved in it's fevered mind.
"I hope Russia doesnt budge...." (Adam hopes) In other words, you hope this sort of weapons will get into Hezbollah's hands, right. So, where do you live Adam? Sorry, it doesn't matter. You will also be involved in an extended war, no matter where you live... since Hezbollah is not a normally restrained country which cares about its population. NO, Hezb is NOT that. They are ready to sacrifice themselves in their infinite hate of Israel which prevails over any other consideration. And then....
israel wants to leave in peace with its neighbourg one it had chasedn from their homes. That's the kind of peace israel wanted from the begining of its conquest.
"Dmascus can end up flattened"!!! that's precisely the type of speech for which the whole world perceives Israel as a terrorist state, you don't just threaten... you deliver too! isn't Mr. "Sabra and Chatila"?
Disarm Palestinians. Disarm Lebanon. Disarm Syria. Disarm Iran. Ethnically Cleanse the Arabs from the land in 1948. Ethnically Cleanse the unarmed Arabs from the Golan in 1967. Attack Gaza and kill over 300 kids in 2008. Just like shooting fish in a barrel. I suggest that a balance of armaments is exactly how peace can come to the region. Both sides will be more willing to Jaw Jaw than War War. The potential devastating consequences of war will have the civilians of Israel calling on their politicians to stop the war mongering. . . Peace to all.
The current Israeli civilian public voted this belligerent government into power, motivated by opting for free lands, and encouraged by the military prowess. There is a proverb in arabic saying : what made Pharaoh so belligerent, is that he met no resistance from now one. Israel is copying this.
and i'm sure that syria considers israel's NUCLEAR WEAPONS "dangerous to its navy" as well. but i don't see the syrians sticking their noses up america's ass to try to thwart THOSE deals from going through.
" and i'm sure that syria considers israel's NUCLEAR WEAPONS "dangerous to its navy" as well. but i don't see the syrians sticking their noses up america's ass to try to thwart THOSE deals from going through. " Actually you are wrong on both counts!
bite the hand that feeds you. Prez Obama approved so many deals for Israel but Zionists have no appreciation for anything, and they're always like "what have you done for me lately".
So, why so melancholy? I mean, Armageddon is part of the plan, no? Or, aren't you for that ready yet? Well, get a move on man!! Oh BTW, have you worked out who the Antichrist is yet? Hmmm, my money is on George Papandreou, what do you think?
Just as G-d hardened the heart of Pharaoh for the purpose of delivering His people and demonstrating His mighty power, G-d has permitted evil Islam to flourish and hardened Russia's heart for the purpose of bringing His people to a proper heart condition to where they turn to Him and away from their worldly ways. Then the battle will be His, not Israel's. He will deliver them and destroy their enemy, just as He destroyed Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea. For His love for His people is great. Ezekiel 38 & 39.
If Russia made a deal to provide advance weaponry to Syria, we can safely assume that they expected Israel to object and yet they decided to make the deal. When Israel objects as expected, how will this change anything? America gives Israel all manner of high tech weaponry which Israel has used to kill thousands of civilians since 2006. Israels neighbors need some sort of deterrent to check Israels expansionism. If Russia and China provide this, it will enhance the balance of power, which will promote peace. America and Israel are not in charge of the world or even the middle east. Other nations have rights.
Israel should be dismanteled and there could be peace forever in M.East. Zionism is the bigest enemy of Judaism.
As the aggressor in the conflict and your support for the destruction of a modern state, your argument of a balance of power to promote peace holds no water.