Israel to push China on Iran sanctions
China has vast economic interests in Iran, with much of its energy market dependent on imported Iranian oil.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Israel news Iran nuclearA high-ranking Israeli delegation will leave at the end of the month for Beijing, for political, security and economic discussions with senior Chinese officials. The central issue of the talks will be the Iranian nuclear program, and the Israeli request for sanctions on Tehran.
The delegation, headed by Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon and Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer, was decided upon by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as discussions intensify between the six superpowers on the possibility of upgrading sanctions on Iran. China is considered to be the most stern opponent to the sanctions, followed by Russia. Fisher and Ya'alon will be joined by representatives of the Foreign Ministry, and defense officials. The delegation will meet senior officials in the Chinese foreign ministry and treasury.
The delegates will stress to their Chinese hosts that failing to stop the Iranian nuclear program and its acquisition of nuclear arms will destabilize the Middle East and trigger a nuclear arms race throughout the region. The delegation will also discuss increasing financial cooperation between Israel and China.
Netanyahu's government has largely neglected China in its diplomatic efforts to stop the Iranian nuclear program. Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman have not visited China and held no significant talks with Chinese officials on the Iranian issue, concentrating instead on the United States, Russia, France, the United Kingdom and Germany.
China has vast economic interests in Iran, with much of the Chinese energy market dependent on imported Iranian oil, while Israel repeatedly requests sanctions on Iranian oil and on selling refined oil to Iran.
Meanwhile, the American administration is trying to persuade some of the other Gulf states to supply China with oil at a lower price than that required by Iran. One offer was already made by Saudi Arabia, but was not as yet accepted by the Chinese.
Earlier in the weekend the foreign ministry issued a statement responding to the last International Atomic Energy Agency report, which said there were suspicions Iran was trying to produce nuclear weapons. "Iran is continuing to systematically violate the decisions of the UN Security Council and the IAEA," the statement read. "The international community and its institutions must begin imposing effective sanctions on Iran as early as possible, to bring home to it the heavy price it would pay for continuing to develop its nuclear program."
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Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer. |
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Most of the comments on this board are spot on. We do not care an iota about Israel. We also know how you back stab your allies like the US, and now with this whole Mossad debacle, the UK, Germany, and Ireland. Why would we ever place sanctions on Iran, who have vital natural resources, for a nation of backstabbers? You have nothing to offer us. And you will not attack Iran. China will make certain of that.
china-future, you say israel has no tech to offer china, very wrong there. check it out china has been working with israel for years. almost every single major tech compan y in the wworld wors out of israel. in truth i only know the american on es, intel, google, microsoft, yahoo, apple, however it is a matter of fact that the chinease are there too.
Joyce does not seem to understand that China does not care that a mere "millions" of people like Israel when China has over a BILLION people that do NOT care and when the MAJORITY of the people in the world (7 billion) also do NOT support Israel. Israel's vote in the UN is worthless since China not only has a vote but a veto. As for the US lobby it is worthless to Israel since China can easily ignore the US, since the US has no leverage over China. The bottom line that Joyce does not seem to understand is China is a superpower and Israel has zero value to China - no oil, no technology (China can already can get equivalent technology elsewhere or invent themselves). It appears that Joyce (along with many other in the west) just do NOT understand that China has not only caught up with the west but in many ways now surpasses it. China does NOT need Israel. Israel has no power.
The Moroccan Foreign Minister goes to visit his counterpart in China. The Chinese Foreign Minister asks him how things are in Morocco. "Everything's pretty good," the Moroccan replies, except that we hate our Algerian neighbors and they hate us. It's a terrible problem." "Well, how many Algerians are there? the Chinese FM asks. "About 4 million," the Moroccan replies. "Maybe we could help you," the Chinese says. "Just tell us which cafe they sit in and we'll get rid of them for you."
drawbridge to open. Oh my, what bs.
You asked: If Israel were to be "Wiped off the map" tomorrow it would not make the least bit of difference for china..or any other country for that matter. What does Israel have to offer China??? Isn't there a sense of responsibility in wiping out 5 million Jews for any human being in this world? Is it so easy to say: Hey It does not serve my interest therefore let them wipe the Jews out. Aren't we all decent people in the world still living the shame of Rwanda, Bosnia, Darfur, WW II, etc.?
1. Wasn't al-Mahbouh enjoying the gracious hospitality of the Dubai authorities while on his way to China? What's up with that? 2. China has its own problems with Islamic insurgent Uighurs in its western provinces. These places are ripe for jihadists and al-Qaida influences, and the Chinese are intent in maintaining peace in the area. China and Israel and the West have common enemies. 3. On a personal basis, Chinese are the Jews of Asia. They have an ancient civilization with a glorious culture; they revere books and learning; they are full of filial piety and traditional values; they excel in whatever they do, and they are very innovative and bright. Israel and China have many similarities and shared values. You just have to recognize what they are.
bogus corrupt UN resolutions. the UN is a dysfunctional corrupt body. It has been for a very very very long time.
It disturbs me to read posts that are so negative. Israel is a powerful country with millions of supporters worlswide. Israel has a vote in the UN and a powerful lobby in the US. If Israel were to denounce the Dali Lama as a fraud (which he is) and recognize China's claim to Taiwan, the talks would warm up. Then propose an exchange of students at each others universities. Show deference to them. It can work.
being humiliated and rebuffed. All Israel is going to get from China is a public kick in the butt.
I am in favor of sanctions against a regime who oppresses their own people since decades. But it must be not news to those who take decisions that China is friend form Iran and north Korea- more than that ? I red in internet that Sponsors from president Obama plan fusion from U.S with communist China to new world order- which would be interesting because an alliance from fusion result is declared enemy from Israel ? takes not so much brain to think I like it always very peaceful very nice in the middle and I am deeply opposed to milit. Intervention. Myself I think the little Russian guy (Medvedev) is less asphyxia and must sweat himself ? with some radicals from south. I do like him and don?t care what some freak report tells. I wish the people in Iran a lot of democracy and freedom which every human deserves. Shah daddy was not so bad until his greed son came into power and pull it at the ege. So somehow everyone is a little bit respons. For this mass now.
High ranking Fischer is send to China to advise the Chinese government how to invest their bloating reserves by buying israel bond and shekels. I bet that 99.9 % of the chinese have never heard of israel.
Before Israel decide on taking this trip, they should ask themselves what they have to offer China in return for such a big request, as opposed to what China can so easily get from Iran. Naturally, Israel have very little to offer, but is always asking for big favors. Why would China go against such a good business partner as Iran with so much to loose, to please Israel, would be downright foolish, and we know the Chinese Government is not as stupid as the US Government.
In fact its only a few countries that see Hamas as a terrorist organisation. In fact its those same countries that see Iran as a 'GLOBAL' threat to world peace. Is'nt it strange that those other countries see Israel and USA as the Terrorist States??? The world has become a strange place indeed. Life has is becoming stranger than fiction.
Hard to think what else China could possibly want from Israel really. In many ways China probably just sees Israel as a competitor in the hi-tech market, so Israel's safety probably isn't high on China's list of priorities.
& the associated enviornmental destructions. The world would be a better place.
Getting Saudia Arabia and other Gulf countries to provide China with cheaper oil by order of the US is a silly attempt at buying off the Chinese. China knows that Saudia Arabia and these Gulf banana republics get their orders from their American protectors! So, today they'll supply China with cheap oil, and tomorrow they could as quickly, and by order of US, deny China the same cheap oil! Nice try Hillary, but this will not fly!
China has had relations with Persia for thousands of years, likely in the days when the Old Testament was written. For China to sacrifice its ties with a country it's had close ties to since the days of the Pahlevi Shah, especially given the international climate and fragility of the Zionist project, would be unthinkable. They are neither as confused and clumsy as the Russians, nor as pliable and easily-led as the Americans. Israel has no friends, boo hoo, and will soon be out-gunned. Time to make nice with Palestine and prepare for the One-State Solution, either Mugabe-style or that of South Africa.
The USA's doting attitude to Israel as its favourite, and rather spoiled son, has given it ideas above its station. China doesn't really care very much what Israel wants, any more than it cares what Vanuatu or Tonga want.
China will politely pretend to listen to Israel then give subtle warnings which Israel will not understand. Israel has absolutely nothing that China can not get elsewhere or do themselves. Even more important is China is **NOT** afraid of the US because they know that if it comes to war, China will win. So the bottom line is the Israelis should listen very carefully to what the Chinese say and do what they request (actually demand, but it will not be phrased that way), even if it means that Israel has to swallow some very bitter pills like move all Israelis behind the green line. The US can NOT protect Israel from China and probably will not even try. If the delegation expects to influence China they will be deeply disappointed.
China has all the latest manufacturing plants, for making microprocessors, iphones, latest lcd panels, etc... Even though these companies are run by foreigners, they are partly owned by the chinese government, thats the law. They are going to be a superpower, overtaking america in the next 10 or so years. China would not put itself at risk by DEPENDING on a usa supplier of oil(saudi). USA also has a policy of encircling china and russia. There is absolutely nothing USA or isreal can offer to china. Why the insane decision to go and try, they will only make a fool of themselves.
This is akin to asking someone to cut off their right arm to satisfy someone elses fetish. good luck with that one!
First come first served on dishing out sanctions.
...from doing anything!
u will influence china just as much as you influenced Russia, we saw how much influence you've had on Russia to cease shipping its missiles to Iran. piece of advice, dont make keke where you eat.
He is too busy trying to get the world including China to love him. He is a great big wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp wimp. He has caved on everything, settlements, the freeze, releasing terrorists, defending Likud ideology and Zion, a Palestinazian state, the two state final solution, you name it. What a wimp.
After Obama meeting the Dalai Lama last week the Chinese have even less motivation to join in sanctions against Iran
Not so sure the Israeli delegation will be too well received in China. The Chinese vision of a New World Order encompasses any state that has the resource or ideology to make China a superpower - that's why the interests of Iran are included in the Chinese political agenda, and Israel is left out in the cold.
worked ! That's the naked truth ! Where is the little boy who shouted ' The King has no clothes on !" ? Somewhere up ahead is a fork in the road and Israel alone must make the decision which direction to follow. Inaction is going to bring great tragedy and devastation to Israel. Israel can blame Iran but will they also blame themselves for lack of appropriate action? Either choice will demand a premium to be paid by Israel. Pay now or pay much more later ! Israel will most definitely pay a terrible price if Iran develops nuclear weapons. The rest of the World will just stand by and watch.
"Iran is continuing to systematically violate the decisions of the UN Security Council ... " Hmmmm. And what other country has a history of doing that very same thing? I recall Israel always ignores UN Resolutions.
... the Chinese 'communists' these days are only interested in importing cheap oil to drive their export machine. And they'll sell Israel, and anyone else, down the river to get it. Let's hope the Saudi's offer of cheaper oil - yet another indicator of an emerging Israeli-Arabian front against Iran - is a sufficient bribe to Beijing. MV
Than israel is. Iran has oil, it borders Russia and close to Chine and has a much bigger economy than israel. China has large investments in oil production and have a large volume of trade. What does israel have to offer other than problems. israel has lost its mojo, Netanyahu keeps running around staying in place. What did he achieve since assuming the prime ministry. Nothing.
only a few countries recognized hamas, a terrorists group as legitimated government, china and russia are 2 of them, and because china and russia are main characters of the world's anti-US campaign, they will support anyone who against US, since iran is on the same boat, and iran is the big devil behind many terrorists groups, said groups serve iran's interests and causing maximum unstable situation in certain regions, which is bad for Israel, and US, so whatever bad for US is good for the anti-US camp, the anti-US camp will NOT chop off their own arms, that's why the Israeli mission will fail.
Asking China to agree to Iranian sanctions is a waste of time. China will not do it. What Israel represents to China are the most important things after its need for energy. That is hi-tech solutions for food supply, water purification and conservation, and believe it or not...armaments. The armaments is a touchy situation with the USA. As far as Iran's nuclear program is concerned i say let them go ahead. Having them is the biggest deterrent to using them. If ever one is fired...the retalliation will spread and the whole world will be gone anyway. Noone will win except the insects....and cockroaches.
If Israel were to be "Wiped off the map" tomorrow it would not make the least bit of difference for china..or any other country for that matter. What does Israel have to offer China???