Israel to coordinate with allies to ensure Goldstone veto

Hey guys, we have an opportunity to nail Hamas. So what if the Goldstone team were prejudiced; so what if they were smoking when they compiled their report. The report is out there for all to see, and it is not pleasant reading. We should encourage the US, China, Russia, France and the UK NOT to use their veto in the SC - that way Hamas will have to conduct a credible investigation, and if they don't we can refer them to the ICC. Israel can conduct its investigation and prove that Goldstone was off the mark. Why let Hamas off the hook.

investigations or are you just in denial for your comrades. Mary Robinson rightly called the UNHCR mandate a politically motivated and the investigators WERE prejudiced no matter how hard you try to not see it So when can we expect "non hypoocrits" like you to demand Arabs investigate what they have done.

You are a one-trick pony: It Ain't Fair!!! Get used to it, PETER, because it is fair. Israel insists that it is something that it isn't, and the hypocrisy involved in that Israeli self-delusion is nauseating. And when people call Israel out on the hypocrisy of its own ludicrously-contradictory self-image then tools like you jump up and down, point to the Bad Guys, and say "But! But! They do it too!" No, PETER, they don't. And I say that because THEY make no effort to hide what they are, and are not so self-deluded as to claim that they are something that they are not. Unlike Israel who - apparently - can't get out of bed in the morning without at least one or two juicy rationalizations.

other than to announce their invariable victory. You people might have had some credibility if the investigators had not openly pre-prejudiced themselves. That's denial of natural justice in anybody's terms except the farce called the UNHRC and the Arab heavy UN GA. Strange how you people ignore why Mary Robinson,not known for her support of Israel, refused to take part in this politically motivated farce.

Guys. Just conduct a credible investigation (No ... an internal IDF investigation will never be seen as credible) and if no crimes were committed the whole issue will all go away. I can't imagine why the IDF need so much protection. Did they really do something wrong?

in their favor,publicly announced by the reporters. What more could they ask for? having a reporter such as Chikin announce Israel did not have the right to defend themselves then be a lead investigator? The Western world does not dance to your tune despite the global jihad.

G: "Israel has started an investigation on all sorts of allegations that have been made before the Goldstone Report saw the light of day." An investigation *BY* the IDF is not an independent investigation. G: "To my knowledge there has not been a single war or operation Israel has not investigated either by a regular standard investigation or as a result of pressure made by the Israeli public." An Independent Commission of Inquiry. That's what Israel conducts after every war. It refuses to conduct one into this war and (as you yourself point out) that is quite unprecedented. Chris is right to ask *why* Israel insists on such unprecendented obstinacy. G: "Any other way to pressure an investigation is not acceptable" Sophistry: that "other pressure" has never been required before i.e. something has now changed w.r.t. Israel's attitude: "see no evil". Israel simply doesn't WANT to look at Cast Lead, and you and I both know why: "see no evil".

Labhras Where have I wrote ``it was right to show up?`` Get reading lessons As for Israeli investigation Here is a Report from July 2009 of the State of Israel on the Operation in Gaza http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/E89E699D-A435-491B-B2D0-017675DAFEF7/0/GazaOperation.pdf Do Jump to page 118 section 316

They were asked on several occasions. Goldstones team sent copies of the issues being addressed. Israel chose to ignore those requests. In your pathetic earlier post--a plethera of lies you stated that Israel was right to show up because the commission only investigated Israeli war crimes. That you know to be a lie. Goldstone insisted that the investigation should be more balanced and was given carte blanche by the commission chairman to write his own brief. Why do you lie---Gil---is it beacuse you know the gig is up and there will never ever ever be a Greater Israel. Never. Why should anyone here believe one word that exits your mouth. Not one reason to believe you---and thousands of reasons to not.

BDS The footage shows, a) Hamas Terrorist shooting rockets from a building b) Hamas Terrorist bringing children to the building the rockets were fired from c) Hamas Terrorists getting out with the cover of children How Blind Can You Get! As for Goldstones examples, Read the following (Note: 3 Page Article) About the Statement from the Silawi family About the Statement of Muhammad Fruoad Abu Askar About the Statement of Wail and Salah al-Samouni About the Statement of Khaled Muhammad Abd Rabbo http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1253198167357&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

Chris Linthwaite Tank you for the compliments, Though I think you should tell this to Lieutenant General Gabi Ashkenazi head of the IDF As for the issue of investigation, well Chris Israel has started an investigation on all sorts of allegations that have been made before the Goldstone Report saw the light of day. To my knowledge there has not been a single war or operation Israel has not investigated either by a regular standard investigation or as a result of pressure made by the Israeli public. Any other way to pressure an investigation is not acceptable so you and the Goldstone Report can whine all you want, or wait until the investigations are completed! As for transparency, I am sure the investigation would be transparent when the investigation is completed as it usually is, this by the way is not a public TV show. Any way if there is classified information it usually is transparent after 30 years just as it would be in US, or the UK! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vHDyuSTneA&NR=1

The footage you rely on shows some children and an adult leaving a house. That's all. Your interpretation of this event is imaginative but proof of nothing unusual, let alone criminal. Goldstone has examples of IDF soldiers killing children with aimed shots. In the face of this brutality, I doubt if there would have been any point in using them as shields.

I fail to see how the 1947 UN resolution is the only thing that adds "legitimacy" to the state of Israel. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the UN send troops into the middle east to establish the state of Israel? Are there UN troops defending Israel's borders- its 'legitimate' or 'illegitimate' ones- now? I would love nothing more than for us to test your little theory, Stephen. It's high time for the UN to pass a resolution revoking Israel's 'legitimacy'. That's right, you can huff and puff and blow our country in.

You mean Israel killed 400 Palestinian children because HAMAS was in fact bombimg their own country? Thats interesting, wonder if that is something else we can send Israel to TYhe hague for. Illegal occupation of Palestine.

Or Israel can do what the Goldstone Report says and investigate the allegations made in an open and transparent manner. Just what is Israel afraid of. We are afterall talking about the most morale army in the world aren't we?

my head spins, who is "occupying", the one perpetuating carnage with rockets or the one bringing up the crop under fire? I think it's Arab who are preying on something they do ot own, nor deserved. As in "trying to occupy" but "fail". Try helping them... you will run into the same organization and same people who bring up crop and the kids under continued rocket bombardment. We are stronger then your carnage and your rockets. And our nation belongs in Israel.

Oh, that's right - it's the Arab side. And as the 1947 UN GA Resolution is the only thing which lends any legitimacy to the state of Israel, until borders are fixed and a peace agreement reached, like it or not Sderot lies on occupied Palestinian territory.

Israel Should File Resolutions Too One for woman Rights in the Arab world One for the treatment of Christians in the Arab world One for the treatment of Christians in the Palestinian Authority One for the slaughter of Muslims by Muslims One for the lack of Human Rights in countries implementing Sharia Law One for the Europe blockade to refugees and responsibility for the death of 14,000 refugees from Africa seeking refuge in Europe One for the British colonialism in Chagos Archipelago Why should we be busy defending ourselves, let others be occupied as well P/S The sad thing is, We as a single country; apposed to the Arab block, have no chance in getting such Resolutions to see the light of day, or even be discussed in the UN, as the Arab or European block do!

Ari The UNHRC made it clear when giving Goldstone a Mandate to make his investigation, it wants the inquiry made ONLY on Israel, as long as that is the case, Israel cannot cooperate. Not only that Ari, Israel did not cooperate with Goldstone because the Mandate given to Goldstone was to find Israeli war crimes, taking the war crimes as a given fact. If Israel had cooperated with Goldstone that would mean Israel agrees before any inquiry starts that those allegations of our troops committing war crimes is true! In other words if I am asked to make it simple, the UNHRC tried to get us to `Plea Bargain` and as you know `Plea Bargaining` is when one admits he has committed a crime, sorry we are not going to say we have committed a crime when there is no indication we committed one! The question you should ask is why the UNHRC rushed to make an inquiry, when Israel has already started to investigate the incidents before the Goldstone report saw the light of day, what is all the rush in getting us to Huge

The Goldstone Report Does Not say Hamas used Children And yet Hamas used Children as their shield, Do watch the following footage from Cast Lead and pass it on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vHDyuSTneA&NR=1 This footage makes it clear Hamas tactics Shows exactly what Israel had to deal with, Shows exactly the lack of value Hamas has to human life, And most of all the lack of value Hamas has to Children, Under those circumstances it shows most of all who is the real war criminal! Do pass the following footage on, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vHDyuSTneA&NR=1

Its amazing all the energy, & resources Israel is investing to have the report vetoed If only Israel had shown such energy & will to cooperate with the report to argue how any action/s the report asserts were criminal were actually lawful or errors of fact. Or, having not cooperated with the report, at least invest its energy to disprove its finding (& not on technicalities that again avoid the actual accusations & findings). Why cant we be like the author of the report; a proud and loyal Jew who is profoundly, unequivocally & unshakably pro-Israel to a moral limit: that is, speaking out against Israeli actions which are inhuman, immoral, or criminal, and ultimately against Israel's own interests Why does this limitation outrage so many Israelis & Jews? Because many, unfortunately, are pro-Israel to the point of blindness-to-inhuman-and-criminal-conduct. This is very sad for us as Jews. What have we become? We've become the opposite of what G-d intended us to be as His chosen people

Does anyone imagine that the U.S. veto--and it will be only the U.S. veto--will change anyone's opinion or alter Israel's standing? I should think that the General Assembly vote would have made that clear. When half of Israel's support came from the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Panama, and Macedonia, it indicated that a radically different approach was necessary. Netanyahu and Lieberman just don't get it, and meanwhile, Israel sinks.

So we have no intentions smelling it now. Sorry.

The hearts and minds of the people of the world are currently what is important. The UN votes of various governments is of no-mind-whatsoever. The report of Goldstone, a Jew and a zionist, has added fuel to the fire of anti-zionist sentiment. You zionist types squatting on Palestinian soil should pay attention: after smelling the coffee, you may seriously want to consider your return to wherever you came from.