Israel threatens unilateral steps if UN recognizes Palestinian state
Foreign Ministry instructs envoys in 30 countries to send 'diplomatic protest' to host nations over plan for September vote in General Assembly.
By Barak RavidIsrael informed the 15 members of the United Nations Security Council last week, as well as several other prominent European Union countries, that if the Palestinian Authority persists in its efforts to gain recognition in September as a state within the 1967 borders, Israel would respond with a series of unilateral steps of its own.
Senior Foreign Ministry officials said the ministry's director general, Rafael Barak, sent a classified cable last week to more than 30 Israeli embassies, directing them to lodge a diplomatic protest at the highest possible level in response to the Palestinian efforts to gain international recognition for statehood at the UN General Assembly session in September.
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United Nations General Assembly Hall on Oct. 12, 2010. |
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The Israeli diplomatic corps conveyed the message that support for international recognition, particularly by most of the members of the European Union, encouraged the Palestinians to forgo negotiations with Israel and to move more quickly toward recognition at the UN of Palestinian statehood. Israeli diplomats stressed that such a move violates the Oslo Accords and will not lead to a Palestinian state even if the General Assembly grants recognition, but could lead to violence on the ground.
European diplomats have confirmed to Haaretz that such a message was conveyed several days ago. One diplomat said his country did not receive a serious response when asked what unilateral steps Israel might take. Another diplomat, from a European country, said in light of the current deadlock in negotiations, international recognition of Palestinian statehood appeared unavoidable in September.
Foreign Ministry sources said no decision has been taken at this stage over a possible Israeli response to UN recognition of Palestinian statehood, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not held any major discussion of such a response on a formal level among his cabinet colleagues. Ideas have been floated on the right wing of the political spectrum in recent weeks, suggesting, for example, that Israel might apply Israeli law to the West Bank or annex major settlement blocs to Israel.
September is expected to be pivotal for several reasons. Last September, U.S. President Barack Obama told the General Assembly that he wished to see a Palestinian state become a member of the UN within a year. In addition, Israel and the Palestinians had agreed that the talks they undertook last September 2 in Washington would last for about a year. Thirdly, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad's program of establishing institutions for a future Palestinian state is due to be wrapped up this coming September.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met on Sunday in Ramallah with former Knesset member Yossi Beilin and told him that the Palestinian Authority would not engage in further negotiations with Israel after September. Senior Palestinian sources added, however, that if negotiations are resumed before September and make progress, the Palestinians would be prepared to defer efforts to gain UN recognition of statehood.
Abbas told Beilin that it would be possible to engage in three months of talks in an effort to achieve progress before September, but Netanyahu would have to suspend construction in the West Bank settlements during that period. The PA leader added that the Palestinians would not renew violence against Israel, but hinted at his possible resignation or the breakup of the PA, telling Beilin that there is no October 2011 on his schedule.
There are currently no contacts between representatives of Netanyahu and Abbas's advisers, and Netanyahu appears to have backtracked on his intention to deliver a major policy speech to jump-start the peace process.
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For the overwhelming majority that don't read God's Holy word, the Bible God says he fights for Israel and are his chosen people and the land belongs to Him....I guess there isn't any reason to fear coming against His people and His land if you don't believe in God. But just consider. God said he would bring his people back into the land and make it a nation again in 1 day and restore their language. More prophecies that those have come to pass and are coming to pass. You and other like minded people may want to rethink your position.
God didn't bring his people back into the land and make it a nation. The UN did.
It's amazing how much Netanyahu sounds like Al-Assad, Mubarak, Ben-Ali, and the rest of the ME dictators. When any of them are threatened by peaceful protest of any kind, they all of a sudden announce "A BIG SPEECH" with "far reaching concessions, and reforms."
It's funny, because unilateral action from Israel (annexing the West Bank) is just what Hamas needs to solidify its legitimacy. The Israeli government creates terrorists. If Israel would just get out of the West Bank, and get out of East J., and stay off the Temple Mt., Hamas would be furious because Gazans would either overthrow them or move to the West Bank. It's very simple.
how long the palestinians have to suffer?we are not asking the moon ,we are asking to have our own state in less than 20% of historical palestine.what we have in common with our cousins is more than our differences,if it left to the two people they could easily find a common ground because both people have the common sense .they could live in peace and cooperation whether in two independent states or in one true democratic ,secular. state. ,but the ultra extremist leaders from both sides such as bibi and lieberman and others on the israeli side and the leaders of hammas and jihad on the palestinian add to that some foreign interests and agendas are standing in the way and playing both people against each other .
from the European Song Contest. How's that for a frightening threat?
"german universities have never recovered from the emigration and expulsion of jewish scientists in the 1930s" and would you like to know who won from this jewish emigration?it was the city university of new york where they went from no nobel prizes to stacks of them all german jews.
guardian telegraph in uk? the hatred of jews shown by posters is amazing. to the extent that jewish writers try and ignore controversial topics to avoid the avalanche of hate mail they receive.
So as long as Israel can still continue to grab land and say they want peace...the rest of the world should just gobble up the lies and let the palestinians suffer. But if the world recognizes that the palestinians deserve there own land back (as least the 67' partition....not even the legal 48' partition) then the rest of the world is in the wrong....wait....that makes absolutely no sense at all!!!!!
up to a point.but the most advanced science and technology nation which is america has something like 20-25% people in its science faculties who are jews or part jewish. american universities are the best in the world.so would the world boycott israeli technology?probably not.too much to lose.
You equate Jews in America with Israel. Are you sure?
"Hamas would respect any peace deal reached between Israel and Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, provided it is approved in a global Palestinian referendum, the top Hamas official in Gaza said Wednesday March 23,2011. In a rare news conference for foreign media, Ismail Haniyeh, the prime minister of Gaza's Hamas government, staked out seemingly pragmatic positions. He said Hamas seeks dialogue with the West and wants to be "part of the solution, not the problem." (2 Dec. 2010)// Hamas had these positions for some years now. Hamas will even agree to peace, if the Palestinians vote for it. It can be assumed however that as long as Hamas is shunned by the world, they will remain rejectionists; after all, what else would be left for them? The key is within the Palestinian nation itself. Abbas and Hamas must resolve their differences first and present a unified front to the world. They will be wise to agree to this, even though Israel is trying to prevent it. Unity will strengthen the Palestinian position, and Israel will gain a more reliable peace partner. As long as Israel rejects Hamas, there will be projectiles coming over as a reminder.
Israel should be in the forefront of supporting UN recognition of Pal state. The result would transform the conflict from what the world perceives as "colonialist oppression" to a rational and potentially resolvable dispute over borders between two sovereign states. The issues then become boundaries, water, security--not the legitmacy of Israel's existence.
I agree. However, the chances that we are in front of a rational a potentially resolvable dispute are refuted globalized leftist anti-Semitism, and terrorist Jihadism, supported by Iran and sunni forces as well. If the world would heal from these scourges, Israel should definitely support the Palestinian bid for independence. You can read the hundreds of posts here, and make yourself an opinion on whether we are in a rational and potentially resolvable dispute, or whether we are in a dispute marinated in the same old, morphing -now-cyber- Jew-hatred of the past two thousand years.
You see? It's all very simple. The Israelis make it more complicated than it actually is.
Enough is enough, defiante israel.
They won't even talk to each other! Abbas is negotiating with Hamas just to get an invitation to visit Gaza; and once he's there, it's 50-50 that he gets back alive. But you have have all the rest of the world's problems take a number behind "justice" for the Palestinians, as if the lives and futures of the Timorese and South Sudanese are less important that those of the Palestinians.
Israel is protesting to the umpire's seat, but the umpire isn't there. The whole world is sitting there instead, laughing the cynical devil's laugh. However, the match for peace and love for all is still open, and no "side" will win it. Either the world embraces a critical mass of honesty, empathy and caring, or we all lose.
We can be critical of israel all we want. The world is very critical of israel. Why? Not because the world hates jews, but because israel is terrorizing the Palestinians daily. If the world is against one group, then most likely that group is wrong. Calling the world anti-semites, when a good portion of those who oppose israel are semites themselves, is very cowardly.
of israeli affairs is so vast there is no rational explanation. well there is.guardian readers love to see and read articles and pictures that abuse the jewish state. that is the explanation.a market for badmouthing israel exists and the guardian fills it with alacrity.
they are going about it the right way.
Palestinians have the same right to have their own State too.
Well said Tony.. and the silence in reply to your post here is deafening.. you are so right... well said..
Look up: PLO Negotiations Affairs Department and read about , Israel's Violations of the Oslo Agreement.
As if Israeli is not already taking unilateral steps to colonize the West bank such as building the wall, confiscating land and building settlements.
we make unique software and our exports are a result of our cutting edge technology.buyers come to us we do not go to them.
are to the European Union of which thebulk are to Germany, France and the United Kingdom. Being so reliant on three countries does not make for a healthy economy if Israel decides to go down the path of annexation of the West Bank.
jews all over the world are at the cutting edge of science and technology. that would tell us that the world probably needs israeli scientefic output.they are not doing us favours by buying from us.
"we make unique software" Give us a number: What market share have Israeli companies in the worldwide software market? And then come back and talk more about "unique".
they have won over 30% of the mathematics prize awarded in the usa every four years(the field prize?) that may help you answer your question.
If they're really worried about the Palestinians using Resolution 377 to enforce their statehood, they shouldn't complain to the the Europeans -- they should complain to gov'ts that worry about their sovereignty. China would not be happy if the UN recognized Tibet or Taiwan; likewise Taiwan would be terrified if China bought enough GA votes to get it declared a "rogue province". Ditto India and Pakistan and their struggles over Kashmir. Finally, while the Obama administration may not care about Israel, US Republicans do, and many of them are already touchy about the UN and America's freedom to act.
thank God, do not control international opinion. They have their own constituencies an are almost all supported by the AIPAC backers and their coffers and those as well of the fundamentalist bible thumpers of the various protestant sectarians. That's true. But that will not be sufficient in stopping the forward direction of nations around the globe that simply no longer have any faith in Israel's credibility or its feigned declaration that it longs for peace. Too much water under the bridge. Too many pictures from Silwan and Sheik Jarre .
Isnt unilateral action what Israel does on a regular basis? - Ignoring UN resolutions and international law! If they abided by international law, we would already have a 2 state solution already in place and removal of the illegal settlements in the west bank to the '67 border!
You mean Israel would not only figuratively but literally also be wiped off the map. Look what happened in Gaza. A beautiful, prosperous community given to the palestinians (arabs) . The arabs quickly destroyed the infrastructure and has used it as a footing for more hatred. Also, read the bible that governments don't want you reading.. The land is Israels as long as the sun rises. The sunrose today. You don't believe in the bible? Well, God foretold man would forsake and scoff at the bible as well as what is going on today- Israel being surrounded by her enemies, established in one day, her language restored, etc.. Look to God's law for righteousness.
How can the United Nations define a "State" that does not have continguous land?? IF the UN foolishly "creates" a Palestinian State without a definition of its territory and its leadership it is going to be a blood bath. That is not Israels doing. It is the mere reality which the majority of the people posting here cannot comprehend. The reality is that Hamas, Iran, Syria and Hizballah are pulling the strings. Despite the World War 2 attitude of appeasement toward the Palestinians in granting this request it will not produce a peaceful outcome. That will not be as a result of Israeli intransigence, "land grabbing (which is WRONG). It will be the result of a people that have a misguided sense of what Peace means. It is not about signing an agreement with one hand and then lobbing missiles with the other. How are Palestinians going to transit from Gaza to the West Bank?? Or is the UN going to grant them a unilateral GREEN CARD to travel through Israel proper?? Thats not going to happen and any idiot knows that is a prescription for disaster. Abbas might retire and allow elections, but Hamas will never allow the tide to turn against them. Is this "Palestinian State" going to be only located in the West Bank or is it going to be in Gaza as well?? Are there going to be two governments?? One at a formal state of war with Israel..ie Hamas, and one at "peace", the West Bank?? The UN needs to do something intelligent and practical that it has never done in its history. Get properly involved. Hold conferences, get the parties together. Negotiate without preconditions. Israel must HALT the land grabbing and give the Palestinians the message that any lack of co-operation comes from their side.
There should be no Palestinian state inside Israel. Jordan is Palestine. look what happend to Gaza, it could be the garden of Eden. With all te money they got from all over the world, it turned in to a terror state. To turn Judea and Samaria over to the so called Palestinians is planting a bomb in your own front garden.
"There should be no Palestinian state inside Israel", said you." Right you are. But who is talking about a Palestinian state INSIDE Israel? No one. the West Bank is not Israeli territory and, hopefully, never will be. We have quite enough arab citizens in Israel.
they are so filled with rage and demented name calling the posters have lost all control of themselves.we in israel look in wonder at this show of disgusting and repulsive feelings against the jewish state and say to ourselves. "thank G-D for israel"
When will Israelis realise that just because many people disagree with your government policies does not mean they are anti-semetic! Criticism does not by default = anti semetic! I disagree profoundly with many Israeli policies and laws but have Jewish relatives and friends - including Israelis of both Jewish and Palestinian origin.
You mean Arabs. Learn the truth
Many Palestinians are the descendants of Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam. Ben Gurion knew this and historians have confirmed it. Zionism is antisemitic for that and several other reasons.
The Israeli government did not hold serious discussions on possible responses to UN recognition of Palestine. Apparently, this latest threat is another private initiative of Mr. Lieberman, and his threats are his alone. (And who else would threaten the UN? Kadhafi did it recently, but it is usually not done.) Lieberman does not shy away from making declaration of his own and presenting them as Israeli policy. But let it be known that Lieberman is expected this week to be told that he will be indicted for corruption. It follows that by September he will be out of office and unable to carry out any such threats. Back to sleep, UN.
my opinion.
because what the israelis doing in palestine is against the humanity will and they know the fake history that israel through the years tried to convince the people about it but now the people know well the right history
according to zionists following the law is antisemitism. pathetic!
But perhaps you should ask yourself why it continues to grow?
Whatever Israel take unilateral steps against the recognition of Palestine, it would become one day a reality. You left with no choice to walk away from the UN and walk away from the land of Palestine.
have greatly weakened the right of the Palestinian side to a nation of their own. The suffering they have caused has been enormous.
If you're a Christian, then you know there's NO WAY Israel can lose!
I believe you 100%.But another thing is,Is the Israeli govt doing the will of God?Or should I say is a stateless Palestinians the will of God?
Israel does not represent the high moral road. It has foresaken Jewish values for a narrow nationalism. Unfortunately for the Arabs, it is Arab land that has become the basis of the insatiable greed of Israel.
Christians follow Saint Paul's teachings and they declare a New Covenant. The old Israel is not relevant to Christianity and the 1948 State of Israel has absolutely no connection to Christianity. Christians worship the God revealed to them through Christ, not the tribal god of the Zionists and the Land of Israel myth.
The arabs in the palestine have many countries in the ME as their home state from where they came and occupied Judea and Samaria, so they are not stateless, but the Jews have only one country in the whole world to call their own, the Jewish state of Israel. The UN's effort to drive Jews away from Judea and Samaria is nothing but majority terrorism against a minority Jewish community.
Do not mistake the current state of Israel for Gods chosen. Remember...."you may remain in this land as long as you don't shed innocent blood." The Jews obtained self rule in Palestine after the Maccabeean revolt which lasted about a century and then failed God.
The land is Israel's forever. Read His word!
You're into replacement theology. Per God, the sun rose today. Therefor, the land is Israel's.
The "Christian confusion" is on your teaching. The land is God's forever. He kicks them out. He brings them back. The covenant is based on Him, not them- sinful man. Get into a bible believing, teaching church. Read your bible!
The horse is already out of the barn. The world is fed up with Israel's intransigence and its hypocracy. Its feign attitude for peace when it is clear to everyone that it is interested only in the acquisition of more land and changing the demographics in the occupied territories. The Security Council, all of South America, South Africa will declare the Stqate of palestine within the pre June 4, 1967 borders and EJ as its capital. If Israel does not acept what the rest of the world accepts in order to solve this conflict once and for all, then it will backfire on Israel and its exclusion and isolation will only be enhanced. That choice is up to Israel. Either a humane state within the recognised borders or an international pariah sinking deeper into a swamp of racism and ethnic strife, threats or not threats. Its position has simply become intolerable.
I do not really believe the Int'l community has the guts to say no to Israel even for once... these are all games played to decrease pressure on the so-called democratic countries in face of continued Israeli defiance...
Much of the international community has already condemed the chosen direction of Israel. It has never been more isolated because of its actions, not its existence which has international support. The US will resist, due to the influence of the pro-zionist lobby, but it will be up a sea of opposition. Israel's positions and actions are no longer sustainable Israel does not want to see the creation of a Palestinian state. That is clear to everyone. The world is tired of this ongoing conflict and wants to see an end of the conflict once and for all. The movement is definetly on the side of the international community.
The Palestinian people have every right to declare a state regardless of what Israel thinks or wants. The fact is that Israel occupies Palestinian territory and must return these lands back. The European Union and the UN should not only support a Palestinian state but also put forward a resolution that once the Palestinian people declare a state, Israel MUST begin to end the occupation and immediately start to leave all Palestinian territory. If Israel refuses, pressure and sanctions should be placed on Israel. Should the USA veto such a resolution, sanctions should also be placed on the USA. Should Israel react to the Palestinian declaration of statehood with it's military, the same military action that the UN, USA and Europe took towards Libya, should be taken against Israel. It is about time for the world to realize that Israel is a criminal state and that it needs to be punished for it's crimes.
Define Palestinian Territory. In the present sense if you define it by resolution 242 and put this territory under the control of Hamas the end result just like Israeli withdrawal of Gaza. This new state would just end up as a missile launching pad. When this occurs (which it will) This new sovereign nation of Palestine would be declaring war leaving Israel legally entitled to bombing this new sovereign nation back to the stone age.Since most of the Arab countries have been armed to the teeth by both USA,Europe, and Russia if these weapons and other Arab troops fell on the front lines of a battle between East/West Jerusalem The Leader of Israel would be put in a position of considering using atomic weapons.
If you knew anything about Israel you would realize that Israelis themselves, including the Israeli government has a term for the Palestinian territory, it is called "Ha'Shtaheem Ha'Kvooshim" Hebrew term for occupied territories. This is proof that even Israel recognizes what the Palestinian territories are. So before you post such ignorant posts, do a bit of investigation.
Have small independent Jewish "states" in the West Bank. The State of Efrat. Let the Palestinians try to bully their way to their soon-to-be failed state. they aren't prepared to govern themselves and it will collapse into anarchy. Meanwhile, Israel won't need to provide services to the Palestinians. giant cost savings.
... expat status in Palestine... or Palestinian citizenship...or en mass re-settlement in the Galilee or the Negev, or elsewhere within sovreign Israel...
It appears Israel's government is now planning "price tag" attacks on Palestinians just like the settlers. Sick and sicker
It seems most post do not understand ,Israel is not treatening the world, they are saying we will take steps that will not be apreciated by the world .if Abbas get together with Hammas and that is included in a pal state,than Israel cannot tolerate that .they can than clamp down the west bank close Gaxa completely, turn of the power water ect ect.than if Hammas start to fire rockets it will be a free for all for the IAF and no more emty wharehouse will be bombed .if Abbas cannot get Hammas to tone down their charter to desrtoy israel , than he cannot get togeter with them, he is so desperate he even is willing to forgo the dollars from the USA and he will not get a penny from Gadaffi ot any other arab country. this coning event could blow up into a fullscale war and dont expect Egypt or syria or Jordan to buy into this, they got problems of their own only Hisbullah migth take the risk to get involved.joseph theeboom
I would guess that the moment that nutters like Libi and Bibi try to violently respond to a UN recognition but openly confronting a fledgling Palestinian state, particularly in the current climate, a great number of the IDF on which such actions would depend, would suddenly re-discover their Russian or US passports. Normal people (which most of the IDF are) do not like fighting when the whole wold is telling them that they are the bad guys.
israel forgot the UN resolution in 1947 which is two states ,jewish state and arab state so where is the arab state ? im wondering what israel want it does not want peace and does not want palestinian state so what da***** it want? palestinian state does not belong to israel to prevent it it belongs to arabs and everyone in this world reaslize this so stop your arrogance israel because it will not help at all and withdraw from west bank as soon as possible
The Arabs rejected the UN 1947 resolution offering an Arab state alongside a Jewish state in Palestine, thats why there isn't one!! Learn a bit of History.
but the past is gone and we are he new generation and we want to fix the problem by any price.
the arab state the UN said about it is west bank dear not jordan ..read the history well
demoracy does not mean to steal others land and build on it settlements
is Jordan. Yes the world is arrogant.
sanction this regime!
The problem is the palestinians don't want to negotiate. They want what they want. But, again. God said it would be so- hatred for his chosed, Israel surrounded by enemies. You might want to read the bible that foretells history and get on the right side.
in 1948 a state was created still, the people who lived in the area REJECTED IT. israel you are a hypocrite!
Palestine will be based on the 1967 borders, meaning all jewish settlements within the west bank and east jerusalem will fall under Palestinian jurisdiction and law. Nothing can stop us.
Most people are thinking settlement annexation, which in itself isnt that scary for the palestinians, as the Jerusalem annexation has shown us. But I wouldnt be suprised if Israel shut the door for good in negotiating the refugees problem, and good riddance, its time the arab world stops using their own people as tools for political pressure. I dont expect much peace after the September UNGA, most likely strife in the West Bank and the last nail in the coffin of the peace process will be the result, so here's to hoping that either Bibi or Abbas will stop their respective sttuborn games and find a way to come back to negotiations without showing weakness and pressure. Peace, Shalom and Salam.
Go ahead, make our day! That will be the last straw. There'll finally be strong support for REVOKING Israel's special status as preferred trade partner of the European union. Once this happens, your economy will be in shambles, and there won't be enough money for IDF and settlements anymore. Yeah, this is really the right move, Bibi! Pls pls pls, "retaliate" against us! Ha!
May/June : Hamas reconciliation talks July : Unity government of technocrats August : Ramadan September : UN Recognition October : retire
Israel once again flexing it's miniscule muscles at the world. The US may shiver in fear, but not the rest of the world. Take a break Bibi.
we are once again so alone in this world.as in the 1800s through 1945 we are the source of all problems. Just read these letters. will anyone explain why there was no peace when we left Gaza? or even those parts of the west bank? Will anyone explain why rockets rain down from the north? Does anyone belive that if we left Yerushalayim that the arabs would let the infidels pray at the western wall the last remnent of the holy temple? I know what Im reading here. It is not democracy but rather the ugly head of the world that led to the holocaust
What do you think should have happened when you left Gaza? It still was a prison and therefore there was no real change. A two state solution is possible. One has to work for it!!! One has to want it!!!
What do you think should have happened when you left Gaza? It still was a prison and therefore there was no real change. A two state solution is possible. One has to work for it!!! One has to want it!!!
Arik Sharon was too rude and ignorant with his utter contempt ,he never told the Palestinian Authority when Israel would disengage ,leaving the PA not time to prepare . The Gazan Palestinians made the price to expensive for Israel to stay and on top of that Israel left making no agreement ,so now you know why the Gazans make the pice of occupation so high
You did not leave Gaza because you are interested in peace. You left Gaza because you never wanted Gaza in the first place. Gaza was a point of pressure on Israel and you thought you could mitigate the pressure on Israel by getting rid of Gaza. Well, that will not happened until you negotiate peace with the Palestinian that resolves years of humiliation and injustice. You can't fool every all the time
Instead of tackling the problem Israel decided on a piecemeal approach, which did nothing to help solve the situation and some might even argue only compounded things. In other words, they put a band-aid on it. The Palestinians are looking for a cure not a stop gap measure and the sooner Israel gets serious about addressing the issues that drive this conflict, the sooner the rocket fire will stop.
It is strange that he now declares them vital. When does he plan to implement the Israeli obligations under Oslo?
The PA have Gaza. They still shoot rockets, teach hatred and don't compromise. It is Israel that has to do all the giving in the world's eye. People, you are wrong for your contempt of Israel. Pick up the bible you have forsaken. The land is Israel. You will be judged and it isn't pretty.
If you , Israel, would love G-d , and if you would trust in H.I.M , you would let me talk to the United Nation's. When you would love G-d , he will beat and destroy all you're enemies. But what are you fighting for ? For HaMelekh HaMaschiach or the prophecy of G-d you are not fighting, but for you're rubbish "jewish state" based on ancient Greece democracy, and Babylon and Egypt economics, which is so rightious that it makes the Meir Panim program necessary. Very shameful behaviour Israel. G-d the creator gave me a tongue like a sword, in less than 72 minutes i will break Obama and the Pope, i will bring the house of Israel Reputaion and Redemption, i 'll bring the kingdom of Judah back. I can make it possible, to bring peace in the middle east, i can make all jews and moslems serving G-d as brothers and sisters, and i can bring the Headquarter of the UN to Jerusalem, where it belongs. The only problem, you Israel have, is, that you deny and betray you're own G-d and his elected and annointed King. You could prepair a super educated zionist one to rule the world in a New world order, cause you are so powerful in this world, but he is not able to have what i have. G-d can open the clouds for me like a dime when i am in trouble, like he did in NY and in Paris. This makes the people fell scattering and frightning and woundering. There is nothing to fear, this is the power of Elohim Adonai Jah Zevaoth. It is all about light, Bar Nafli is the light, the truth and the eternal life. Wake up Israel. Schalom
Israel should get of the Palestinian land. Israel occupation is in direct VIOLATION of the UN partition plan: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/israelpalestine.jpg
You can't reject it and still have it! Those dynastic "refugees" certainly have chutzpah. It's beyond comprehension that the West has sunk to pushing their propaganda,
Finally, in september, 10 MILLION PALESTINIANS will have a home ! Millions of refugees can go back home and stop being miserable!
Abbas has walked away and initiated a whole different ballgame, saying no to direct negotiations and pushing for unilateral moves in order to impose a solution. Finally, Israel joins this despicable game and challenges the distorted tactics of the PA leaders. Good.
Continued settlement of the WB is not an unilateral move of Israel? Palestians are doing the only thing they can do to defend their territory without terrorism and most of the world is going to support them because enough is enough. Israelis have a prosperous state and the PAls deserve the same chance after 65years of occupation from foreigners from all over the world! Freedom for Palestine, No to Racism and Religious Imperialism!!
the pals have overwhelming , growing world support, minus the yanks . israel has little, and that also dwindling support . pal unilateral measures are just so will be accepted.. israels unilateralism is greed . you sound like aparthied s africa. no one likes you
the moral compass... is only to be found in israel... or better still a settlement
Israel has God, the creator of the world and the air that you breathe. God. He doesn't need Israel to win. You might rethink your adversary.
palestinian state no palestinain state who cares.just dont bother us.
Leave us alone and give back our land you stole from us.
And you think the land is yours- the Christian God that said Israel is his chosen, the land is His forever, not to be sold nor divided as long as the sun rises? Replacement theology is not the God of the bible. Start reading it and quit listening to secular theologians.
Didn't Sharon and the rest of his gang spit on the Oslo accords long time ago ? Israel plays with 'agreements, accords and resolutions' the way it wants....does not work that way. Military force against unarmed people is the easy way....it's over now and Israel has no answer.
really, carpet bombing for a couple of homemade mortars?
Palestinian authority has finally woke up to Israels tom foolery.
by growing our economy and thriving.by continuing to live in the ancestral lands of the jews. they will be beside themselves with hatred.
requires selling to other people. Who are you going to sell to?
How foolish. A significant proportion of your countrymen are European. Without European support there would be no Israel. Europe turned a blind eye to abuses of Palestinian rights for decades. Israel can only dream of joining the civilised world typified by Europe.
is that the civilised world that made the life of jews hell on earth for two thousand years
They provide 1/3 of your food. You think food prices and shortages are bad now...just wait until God judges the world for contempt of His word that he exalts above his name.
no damage done whatever.
have been revealed. Israel is not interested in peace, only stalling to allow more land grabs. Those who weren't convinced of that, surely are now. Thanks.
Carry out all the unilateral actions you like---the one State solution is the only other outcome to a Paklestinian state recognised by the international community.
we have left europe and this lot of rabid hounds are doing what their ancestors did.this time through words.better stick to words haters we are not as we once were.weak and helpless.
are you a palestinian, a fustraded israeli haus woman? if defence means violence, i prefe to be violent as to die, thank you, but your words doesn´t mean nothing to us
... or was this a family decision over the breakfast table?
I think there are two important messages in such threats by Israel. First, a message to Israeli nationals who might be busy doing other things in life without noticing that their country is, unfortunately, continues to be an aggressive occupation and persists in doing so. Threatening the rights of millions of Palestinians not to have their own state, which will absolutely ensure a maximum level of peace and security (since this is what Palestinians want to live in their own state with dignity and freedom), is just a proof that the government of Israel is enjoying its role as a brutal occupation that is hungry to eat more land and arrest more Palestinians. The second message is to the world. Israel has been enjoying for a quite long time the beautiful picture of democracy in the eyes of the west, the prosperity, equality and many other untrue bla bla bla. Recently, the world has been witnessing the ugly true face of this occupation called Israel. Killing civilians with illegal weapons, imposing a perpetual occupation on millions of Palestinians together with denying them for eating Pasta! in Gaza!!!!, and now they don't want to see an independent Palestinians state ON the PALESTINIAN territories. The world is now becoming closer and closer, at least in the eyes of people, to delegitimize Israel. In both cases, even if Israel would intervene in announcing a Palestinians state, Israel will be the biggest loser. Congratulation, keep on Bibi and Libi!!!
There is no brutal occupation in the West Bank. In the West Bank there is a 7 percent rate of annual growth. Is that brutal occupation?????? Th outcome of a Palestinian unilateral move will be annexation of the settlement blocs. That is more and less the current picture of the situation. Palestine will be an "independent" phantom state recognized by the whole world. So what? Welcome to the club. The important thing is that whether recogznied or not Israel will keep holding the 5 percent of territory needed for security reasons. Nothing more and nothing less
The key settlements of Ma’ale Adumin, Ariel, Giv’at Ze’ev, Ephrat and Har Homa, along with control over all of Jordan border are the main sticking points now, although even allowing PA to have even a small part of E. Jerusalem is still major too.
Sounds great, Osama, but what about Hamas? Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, and what happened? Hamas forcibly overthrew the PA and did everything they could to destroy the peace process. Unilateral actions won't get us anywhere. They had an opportunity to show the world their peaceful intentions, to create the beginnings of the Palestinian state, in Gaza. Instead, they chose more fighting. Abbas should stop insisting on preconditions to peace talks, and he and Netanyahu should get back to the table.
So Palestinian unilateral declaration today ,Kurdistan tomorrow,next day the Polisario National Front of Western Sahara and many other states to follow can the Muslim controlled UN tolerate the secession of Kurdistan ,like South Sudan ,from Iraq and Turkey ?/????will tMuslim ststes
God said when they say peace and security (safety) then sudden destruction comes upon them. 1Thess. 5. World, you don't want the 'peace and security' you are seeking. But, God foretold, and it will come to pass.
It was always coming & no amount of bluster will change it. Right will always win in the end and threats, diplomatic contortions will be of no use. Better for Israel to hold their hands up and admit the games up while they still have a shred of credibility left. Further threats will lead to total isolation, a depleted economy and an even more enraged neighbours.
Israel should also claim it also recognize a Palestinian state and set it borders. Go over past Israeli offers by Olmert and set the border accordingly. reroute the wall to include settlement blocks and parts of East Jerusalem in Israel. Evict all settlement outside the blocks Israel was willing to in its previous offers. Instead of dealing with a gloabal movement to free the "oppressed and occupied" Palestinians. Israel will be dealing with simply another independent which has a minor border dispute regarding a small amount of territory both sides claim to be their own. The Palestinian movement will lose all traction and left wing will very shortly fine another crusade regarding some other conflict they don't really understand.
The Semitic cousins, Jews and Palestinians both have the right to have their own countries in the Holy Land, to live in peace and quiet with nobody thinking they are better or the most chosen, the sooner the "concrete heads" on both sides realize that, the better.
Honestly, if Israel wants to keep commanding world respect, they have to do better than this. The prejudice has to stop.
Where it says that "Israel would respond with a series of unilateral steps of its own" it means things like deciding on Israel's borders unilaterally instead of in agreement with the Palestinians, which basically means annexing the large settlement blocks, that's all. So all the histerical talkbackers here- PLEASE CALM DOWN. Thank you.
And annexing the large settlement blocks would be done without military action ? You're talking as if it is okay to annex more lands. I understand that, as an israeli you have to support your government, but u have to accept a Palestinian state even if it means that u have to oppose ur government's policy.
... they don't mind if the Palestinians keep those bits with sewage-purification installations and so forth...
Is it possible for the people of an entire State to go completely insane all at the same time? Israel has form for adopting the persona of the mad dog to get its way in the past but, if this article is to be believed, it is now threatening various EU countries that it will take its own unilateral actions if they support the recognition of an independent Palestinian state and imply that there will be violence - against the Palestinians of course. What do they intend to do - unleash the crazed settlers? Incredible how the price tag mentality operates seamlessy from the State to the settlers in Israel - truly the lunatic State.
There has never been a "State of Palestine" in all of human history. Why will there be one now? Do not give up Israel! Jordania is for palestine people.
and now there is!
The creation of the state of Palestine was approved several times by Israel. You cannot break an accord and then blame another people for breaking the same accord. Do you want peace or not? That is the question. As Johan said, there was no israel before 1947 either, no US before 1776... I could quote scores of other examples. This is history. Where theere is a people and a land (the land they've lived on and cultivated for centuries), a country can and must exist.
The world is drinking the kool- aid prepared by Satan himself. Forget the "name" on the biblical maps. Read God's word inside. God, (Jesus) called the people and the land Israel. He said the land is his forever. He also said the world would be against Israel. It is. He also said he will fight for them. He has and He will again and He will judge the world. The land became known as "Palestine" in 'honor' of Israel's enemies the philistines, but there is no 'palestinian' people- they are arabs. So, don't just look at pictures in the bible. Read it. Don't just listen to the world. Listen to God. Yes, the world is wrong and will be judged. You appear to like history. Read the bible. It is history in advance. Psalms 83, Isaiah 83, Ezekial 38, 39 and Revelation are soon going to be here. There is still time for all to repent and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior and obey His word. He said the land is His for Israel. I'll obey him and forget the world. Thank-you.
1. israel refuse to halt illegal settlements 2. israel refuse to back off from the occupied and stolen terriotories 3. israel refuse to accept a two state solution, 4. israel refuse to accept a binational state 5. israel refuse to pay compensation or letting the palestinians into israel 6. israel refuse to recognize a palestinian state and refuse to recognize a palestinian people 7. israel refuse ceasefires, and breach them 8. israel refuse to sign the NPT treaty exposing their nuclear weapons 9. israel warmonger against Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza 10. israel threat the world with force if UN recognize a palestinian state israel=biggest threat to world peace.
You are dreaming boy Israel has never and will never threaten world peace all they want is to live in peace.
Get real! (1) Israel has wanted peace since its creation and has only fought defensive wars (2) Israel did not steal the West Bank, it was taken in a defensive war. Israel agreed to UN resolution 242 and 338, to exchange land for peace, but BOTH sides need to be serious about peace. Is Hamas serious about peace? (3) Don;t be stupid, Israel was a full aprticipant at Oslo, Camp David, etc and has never rescinded its support for two states (4) don't be stupid (5) this is for peace talks (6) see 3 (7) it is Hamas and Hezbolla that breach (8) irrelevant (9) get real (10) nobody said anything about force.
Israel has never wanted peace. It started with its terrorist gangs Irgun and the Stern Gang and now it has its other terrorists Mossad, Shin Bet, IDF, and settlers.
precisely at a time when the arab world is falling appart, obama and the europeans have decided to set up israel for permanent war. the only beneficiaries would be iran and various terror groups operating in the region. what is quite certain is that many people will die.
Lieberman and Netanyahu are the ones threatening in this case. Why wouldn't Bibi allow his people to listen to Abbas or even touch the envelope containing the PA borders proposal? That would have been recognized as "negotiation." But it was too much for Netanyahu and his government.
I wish our governement would be realistic and realize that Israel is way too tiny and economically small to be able to threaten Western countries. It only leads to complete ridicule.
Seriously, the Israeli governement needs a serious reality check. Israel is a tiny country, which has absolutely not the means to compete with Western Europe or North America, and even less to threaten their governments. A change in the Israeli governement is urgent. We need realistic people in charge.
Why not?
The worst thing that can happen is the creation of a palestinian state followed by agression in any form and in any amount from this same palestinian state. It will then be taken as a case of cassus belli. Politiicans and talkers will then be sidelined and the military will take over for unrestrained action against state agression. This is not a good outcome.
Every land has natural right to sovereignty and statehood-why not Palestine.
Mr. PM: It won't help keeping on talking from both sides of your mouth. On another subject (i.e the rightful creation of a Palestinian state)....what are Nethanyahu and his hatchetmen planning to do.....bomb it ??? I got to see that. !!! It about time the UN as well as the EU have some back bone and set the record straight.
Prior to the UN vote:Israel should take over the Temple Mount.
Go for it. I really don't think you want to risk a justified attack by Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt. Those guys actually have weapons, not just rocks. :-)
Why Israelis don't go en masse to the streets to protest against their government while there is time? Go to the streets, demand negotiations with the Palestinians, accept a Palestine State as a neighbour, isolate Hamas, make Palestinians get prosper like you and make trade with them. Get respect from the international community. We would love to like you and admire you, Israelis, but your behave is despicable...
The probabilty that the UN can or will do anything about Israel is problamatic. What have they done in any of the 11 Arab countries which have challenged their governments in the streets. Buy more "body bags" for people who want to be free?
and heres why. There is a realisation amongst those fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia that there is no possibility of overcoming Islamic fundamentalism until there is an establishment of a Palestinian State. Netanyahu and Lieberman are pissing into the wind if they think that threats of unspecified action will change this mindset, in fact actions that make it impossible for the establishment of a viable Palestinian State is more likely to see sanctions against Israel rather than an acceptance for the current status quo. So go ahead do your worst the demographics in the US have changed to such an extent the Jewish vote is no longer pivotal in the election of a President. that has gone to the Hispanics and African Americans and they are more interested in housing and jobs and education that whether Israel should be allowed to steal anothe peoples land.
Why not create Palestine with internationally recognised boarders. Its still over 60 years of pure gain for the zionist against 60 years of pure lost for the Arabs.
Should Israel try not to respect the will of international community isn't it an obligation f international community to start isolating Israel for good. For example banning flights landing in Europe, banning exports and imports into Europe, and other potential sanctions. Days of Israel disrespecting the international community are certainly coming to an end.
If Israel truly supports the creation of a Palestinian state why these threats???? Or does Israel finally admit their true aim is to prevent a sovereign Palestine. UN CREATED Israel, it should create Palestine. you want to threaten the world, the world can easily dispose of you
Je suis toute a fais d'accord avec vous.C'est plutôt l'entité sioniste qui a besoin du monde et non l'inverse.Quelle arrogance
And put all the nations-members of UN to bantustans.
Is here in the united states. Send the idf over here bibi, I dare you. I DARE you.
Any call for a Palestinian state will be a deliberate act of war (one of many) and will result in all lands being annexed by Israel (as is just).
You do not live in Israel and the west bank is not disputed --it is "Held under belligerent occupation" by Israel--see case 2056/04 Israeli High Court of Israel. So enlighten us oh illegal squatter--how can an occupier be a sovereign???. If you are not happy chaim--make aliyah.
Who is afried of getting annexed, then Israel will be a muslim majority nation, Hhaaaaaa
Suuuure !!! isn't that what Israel expects ? a good war against those 'bloody' palestinians ? killing 9 people on a ship is an act of self defense, settling by force palestinian land and expelling people from their house is an act of self defense, killing 1500 in Gaza (400 children and women) is an act of self defense......palestinians declaring independance on their land is an 'act of war' ??? you're a joke. You have no idea how dangereous you are to your own country.
the it will delegitimise itself in the eyes of the world. Certainly the leaders of the EU will not be able to justify the favoured trading status that Israel currently enjoys
Just read 4th Geneva Convention and numerous UNSC resolutions.
The land is not "disputed", the whole world regards it as occupied territory, as does the Israeli supreme court. "Disputed territory" is an invention of people like yourself who want to achieve a greater Israel by conquering territory and expelling the people living there. By the way, you're throwing out expressions without having any understanding of their meaning at all. I suggest you look up what actually constitutes acts of war.
And the world will be justified in taking action against an agressor state. Wow, wouldn't that be cool - Israel being subject to a no-fly zone ;-)
Ces gens pensent qu'ils sont au-dessus des lois,plus personne ne marche avec votre éternelle VICTIMISATION.NOUS SEUL ET LE MONDE CONTRE NOUS
Resolution 1860 (2009) Adopted by the Security Council at its 6063rd meeting, on 8 January 2009 The Security Council, Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008),
The land is not "disputed", the whole world regards it as occupied territory, as does the Israeli supreme court. "Disputed territory" is an invention of people like yourself who want to achieve a greater Israel by conquering territory and expelling the people living there. By the way, you're throwing out expressions without having any understanding of their meaning at all. I suggest you look up what actually constitutes acts of war.
abbas is creating a path that will see the end of pals. its unfortunate....we shall see how un will recongnize a pal merged with terrorist groups hamas n others. untill all pals, both dick n tom recognizes israel and accept it as a jewish nation state will there be a head way to defining pal on the international community......else, folowing shadow.
explain what this post means?
No one is asking Israel to supply electricity or anything else to the Palestinian state. Don't you know? : There is no Palestinian state - yet.
Why does Israel have this hardline stance of our way or the highway? Why cant they find a reasonable compromise and common ground. They are basing their argument on the bible which by all accounts by biblical scholars is a flawed book HUMANS wrote or translated in the Words od GOD...Dude its 2011, Jesus wouldnt want an entire society of people banished so why do they?
... it is easier for Bibi to defy the United Nations, than it is to defy the settlers...
Jerusalem is mortal capital city for Israel...and always be mortal capital city of Israel.
Up to 1.8 bn speak it - hardly a small percentage Adam
Let the world know that "Palestine" is code word for the destruction of Israel and nothing more.
God ! you spend sooooo much time denying a palestinian State and even palestinian existence. You accuse the whole world of antisemitism. What are you exactlty ?
First, in 1947-48, Palestine was split into Jewish Israel and Arab Jordan. The Arabs attacked and grabbed the eastern portion of Jerusalem and "the West Bank". After Arab aggression in 1967, Israel recovered eastern Jerusalem. Egypt and Syria attacked again in 1973. Given the advances in weaponry, Israel must and will maintain security control over the West Bank to assure sufficient strategic depth and height to be better prepared to defend against future invasions. There is nothing the UN (which long ago lost all moral authority when Dag Hammerskjold plane crashed in Angola), can say or do that will change these basic facts.
How exactly did the UN lose moral authority because of a plane crash? If anything, what Hammerskjold was doing completely underlines the moral authority of the UN. Try reading your history.
The Palestine Papers prove that no matter what concessions Abbas makes, the current Israeli political class is too stupid and cowardly to accept yes for an answer. Netanyahu has "led" Israel into a box canyon and offers no escape when the Palestinians declare their state and the world recognizes their right to it. Yet, the Israelis, who brag about their democracy, have the "leader" they no doubt deserve...
The side who violates the Oslo accord is Israel, by its occupation, settlements, detentions, crimes,..etc. Thus Israel is the last side to talk about Oslo. since it doesn't want to attend any negotiations that could lead to peace or Palestinian state by refusing to freeze it's illegal settlements on the W.B and E.Jerusalem. Thus the Palestinians don't have any other peaceful option to reach their statehood. About the violence on the ground, this "no peace no war" state is the most suitable area for the violence.
MASHIACH>>>>>AYAYAYAYYYYYYYYY
not only Israel, but the entire world within a few years.
not only Israel, but the entire world within a few years.
"Ideas have been floated on the right wing of the political spectrum in recent weeks, suggesting, for example, that Israel might apply Israeli law to the West Bank or annex major settlement blocs to Israel. " ...and does that mean that if the Palestinians declare Statehood all the Palestinians in the WB will have duel citizenship ...from no country to two !
and he'll pull down ours as well. Our esteemed FM Lieberman is convinced that Israel's image of neighborhood bully and local thug serves us well in the international arena. His loathing of the Scandinavian democracies has only been enhanced by his self lauded exploits in South America which have generated a new wave of endorsement for the Palestinians with Argentina now willing to even sleep with the evil troll of Iran if only Lieberman WILL cancel his intended state visit. The only place left for him to go may be Albania. Only there, budgets are tight, and so Lieberman may have to share the same bathroom with Iran's Ahmadinejad and North Korea's Kim Jong. No matter! His mesage will shake the world. Let those Palestinians even talk about their right to self determination and he'll annex everything and build a nuclear reactor in Itamar to boot. This guy is a real "gever gever"! Come September and the entire UN will not only tremble, but it will piss in its pants as well. If we look hard enough for our heads of state and defense, we may find them hovering in some back room, waiting patiently for our FM to finish blustering his ultimatum to the world from some bar in Albania, so that they, too, can have a chance to stutter and swallow their "new" ground breaking peace initiative which bears remarkable similarity to that of the Madrid Conference 20 years ago. Of course there's no real mention of the Occupation or continued construction in the territories, because in the ideology of our current government and supporters, the Arabs and indeed the entire world which supports them, hate us anyway, always have, so why not go for broke and huff and puff and blow all the houses down ...all of them, every last one of them.
The rest of the world doesn't hate Israel. It just wants it to be reasonable.
One minute after the UNGA resolution is passed and Abbas declares the state of Palestine then the neighbouring Jewish country will invade, with the intention of driving all the Arabs into the sea....... Man, you guys really can't see the role-reversal, can you......?
now we defend ourselves.that is true role reversal. the victims are no longer helpless.
Yaya - don't you see your logic is flawed? You mistakenly seem to believe that because you were once victims that gives you the right to victimise a whole race of people? just give back the land you stole and i'm sure you and your neighbours will get on just fine...
"now we defend ourselves" How is keeping the Palestinians a stateless people "defending yourself"????
WAIT FOR IT PERHAPS THEYLL RECOGNISE KURDISTAN FIRST ? OR NORTHER CYPRUS ? MAYBE CHECHYNA /? INDEPENDENT KASHMIR OR TIBET ? EVEN TAIWAN ?
Well for some bizarre and stupid reason they also recognised Israel. Flawed statement.
What a spin! Claiming Israel is making threats when it is Obama and the UN who are making threats.
Diplomatic actions on the part of the state of Israel very often amount to actions of blocking, criticizing, impeding, condemning or protesting - all negative. Some positiive initiatives would shine some light on the situation.
A blight among the nations would be more accurate.
Israel should be thankfull that the Palestinians are not asking for 1948 partition .Dont be greedy LEVI
It means israel is freed of its UNSC242 obligations regarding disposition of territory, since such a UN recognition without a negotiated peace would directly conflict with 242. Israel is then free to annex whatever land it chooses to; it certainly is not required to cooperate with the PA state in any way, which means Israel immediately cuts off all water, electricity and fuel it provides. It means Israel instantly bars all PA state access to israeli harbors, airports and crossings to Jordan. Nobody and no goods get in or out of te "state". This is not retaliation, just Israel exercising its sovereign rights, including against a hostile state. No more trucking aid shipments or water ot electricity to hostile Gaza - no trade, just like Saaudi Arabia doesn't trade with Israel. No ships or planes can enter Gaza, because its a war zone - no peace agreement. No planes can come to W. Bank because overflying Israel is illegal. Egypt is barred by its peace treaty with Israel from recognizing or trafficking goods directly into a unilateral PA state, as is Jordan by its treaty. Anything the "unilateral state" wants from Israelit will have to negotiate for because the UN can not force soveraign Israel to give them anyting for free - and the price will be recognition of Israel, a peace treaty, disarming Gaza and negotiating borders. The US, meanwhile, is required by acts of Congress to instantly sever all recognition, aid and contact with the PLO and Abbas if it merges with Hamas or unilaterally ends the "peace process" - in this way, including shutting the PLO offices in the US and barring even private contributions to the PA. UN, Arab League and UN are not going to lift a finger to help PA state survive by violating Israel's sovereignty or force them to give the PA and access to anything in Israel. Haven't the means, the will or the balls.
"Israel is then free to annex whatever land it chooses to" -- Israel can annex what ever it likes as it did with the Golan and East Jerusalem, and likewise the annexation will go unrecognized and condemned world-wide. The rest of your tirade is too much BS to answer.
You seriously think Jordan and Egypt wouldn't rip those treaties up under these circumstances? You think the US would really close down PA offices? You really don't have a clue.
"Israel is then free to annex whatever land it chooses to;" Hahahahah! The prohibition on the acquisition of territory by war exists regardless of any resolution by the UN Security Council. So regardless of what UNSC 242 does (or does not) say, Israel simply can not *legally* annex any of the territory seized by the IDF in June 1967. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.....
GO PALESTINE!
The Kurds are not a stateless people, even if some of them want to secede from the sovereign to form their own state. The Palestinians are a stateless people, and they have a right to form their own state.
once more Israel shows it's true face ... gadaffi was threatening the world aswell ...
... now it's obvious where the settlers learned their price-tag approach...
Until the pals renounce all violence towards Israel, they deserve nothing. The land belongs to Israel, period. No one gives their capitol to terrorists unless they've lost a war, Israel didn't lose, the phony pals did.
Unfortunately your comments here, regardless of opinion only add fuel to the fire. You are the perfect example of why the rest of the world is genuine about recognising a Palestinian state. Israel is a country built on false pretenses (created by the UN by the way) and you are the epitomy of their disgusting attitude.
You are so ignorant you've never heard of the Philistines?
Jerusalem will be the catalyst for uniting the world against its people yet. If September does bring the little horn then Obama may have some time to prove out his messiah complex before he has to hit the election trail. Especially after the wise way he will have handled Quaddafi....a real peacemaker.
Finally Palestine is on the home run. Israel will just show itself to be the non-peaceloving nation that it is if it tries to prevent Palestinian statehood. No Palestine, no Israel. One land for all if no two states.
Western is in a crossroad - How be against Ghadaffi, for instance, and support zions crimes against Palestinians?? So, the logical is fix this!! So, zions can bark, but it's the unique things they can do 'cos REVOLUTION IS COMING IN THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES!
Build a 28 foot high wall around the U.N. building?
There is no dawn for Israeli lies and hypocrisy. There will be a Palestinian state in the next three years, and from then on the historic state of Palestine will come back from the pages of history while the state of Israel diminishes. The world is waking up to this never ending oppression, you are not invincible Israel, only stupid in thinking so, let's see how far that bibi of yours will get you
Stop complaining like a baby, and agree to 2 states based on 67 borders!
Sounds like terrorism! The new Canadian Government will not condone Israeli terrorism.
you're calling ISRAEL the terrorists? do you know why they're attacking Gaza right now? uit's because the palestinians are firing missiles at innocent cities! last week they set a bomb off at the centeral bus station in Jerusalem, killing a tourist from the UK. not even "the enemy". an innocent turist. and anyway, as if anyone cares what the new Canadian Government has to say about anything....
any UN decision can be re-enforced by a military force on the ground as well to protect palestinians and make sure Israel follows the decision, that's a given. what will he do, attack palestinians and the foreign army like a lunatic when they just want Israel to comply with the law? please...he would put his country in the same position as Lybia and will end his career in front of the international court... Israel has full right to defense on its soil only and palestinians territories are not israeli contrary to what he wants to believe so badly.
"Israel informed the 15 members of the United Nations Security Council last week, as well as several other prominent European Union countries, that if the Palestinian Authority persists in its efforts to gain recognition in September as a state within the 1967 borders, Israel would respond with a series of unilateral steps of its own". Like what? Asking UN Security Council for recognition of the settlements as part of sovereign Israel?
Oh Yea? What action? Refuse to go along with a UN decision once again? So what's new and so what....
Oye vey, a State of Palestine!!...and noch within its legitimate borders...
The Palestinians already have a GA 181 recognition for a Palestinian state and they can't cash it or do anything about it. Another GA resolution is a waste of time and effort. One simple message the Palestinians should convey to Israel:-" A State or No State". and that would apply to both Israel and Palestiine. No Palestinian state will result in the cease of Israel being a Jewish state since eventually it will become a state for all who live between the river and the sea.
Read UNSC 1860
and tell the pals they have until September to leave. Their state is Jordan.
And Your State Is Poland, why not head back.. :)
there are no more Jews left in Poland due to the Holocaust, or did you forget the 6 million Jews ruthlessly murdered about 60 years ago. I suppose you have. And did you not realize that jordan is already 60% Palestinian? Israel is only 80% Jewish, add the Palestinians from the west bank and gaza and there will be a higher percentage of Palestinians in Jordan than there are Jews in Israel.
How about all the Palestinians leave Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt and settle in Palestine. What does that do to your maths?
What a horrible travesty the UN has become?
You know - you can peel only one potato at a time.
One at a time buddy. The Palestinian issue is top priority. If u want Kurds to have a state, u can always protest ;)
Since when has the UN ever worked one at a time. And to top that off, how is a democracy protecting itself from bombs planted at a bus station or a family murdered, worse than a dictatorship that imprisons for life anybody who speaks out against it.
The article suggests the Israeli diplomats prime objection to the recognition of a State of Palestine is that doing so would somehow be in violation of the Oslo Accords. Its not obvious how they would; although what is obvious is that Israel has effectively ignored those Accords anyway. The IDF remain all over the West Bank; settlements continue apace, among other breaches. Israel will need a better reason for everyone but the US to back its position. And maybe the US will also ignore Aipac for once.
Sanctions will eventually take their toll on the Israeli economy. Even the great children of Israel have to abide by international law at some point
Israel has declared since 1993 that it sees the creation of a Palestinian state living side by side Israel, in peace and security, as its will. PM Netanyahu has stated it in his Bar-Ilan University speech. So after eighteen years of "peace process" with some advances and many more breaches of the mutual understandings signed so far, the Palestinian Authority plans to take its statehood to the UN, somewhat like Israel did in 1948, and Palestine should have done back then (instead of 5 Arab armies attacking the newborn Jewish state). After 63 years of Palestinian rejectionism of Israel, 20 years of Jordanian and Egyptian occupation plus 44 years of Israeli occupation; after endless Palestinian terrorism, and relentless Israeli settlements; amidst a very dynamic situation in the Arab world, the PA wants statehood, whether Israel likes it or not. I believe it would be a big mistake by Israel to block it at the UN on the grounds that it foregoes direct negotiations. They will be considered sine qua non by the upcoming UN Resolution in September anyway, and have been stated as part of the recognition by most of the countries which have recognized Palestine so far. So what is that terrible about the UN recognizing Palestine, while there aren't any borders, and "final status" agreements? What can there be so awesome? So both parties will have to sit and deal with independence first, final status agreements after, instead of the other way around, which failed for long 18 years. I see no drama. No refugee tsunami will occur, and no terrible iommediate eviction of Jewish settlers. It will take as long as it will take, but being a fait accomplis, no side will be able to boycott it, for "time gaining's" sake. Game over for rejectionists. The only drama is called Iran, which rules Gaza. And that is the one Israel should call the world to deal with. Hamastan is a failed state, governed by a terrorist sect. Nobody can make peace with an enemy dead set to eliminate you. That is the only thing Israel should make clear. Rejecting the emergence of a Palestinian state is futile, counterproductive and foolish. Stating that Gaza in the current circumstances can't be part of any deal, is not.
Unfortunately for your argument, Hamas has already agreed to recognize Israel's right to exist provided Israel treat Palestinians with dignity and like human beings.
Hamas has not recognized Israel's right to exist, and has in fact stated again and again, that it will not recognize the "Zionist entity", that, as recently as last week.
will lead to Arab violence to push millions of Arabs into Israel The current Facebook campaign has not just happened ot is part of the multi pronged attack on Israels existence A few thousand square miles amongst millions of square miles of Arab land which is an affront to Arab honor
as we will be recognising Palestine has a right to exist, we don't have to mention borders in September although it is generally recognised this will be the greenline of 1967 with some tweaks.
"Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man." We are particularly far from having any qualms with regard to the enemy, whose moral degradation is universally admitted here. But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier." YS
Just remember Jewish fighting forces were formed purely as protection,against progroms lynchings false charges ie Dreyfus affair.The British took away the weapons of the jewish security forces and turned refugee ships back to europe where the refugees were murdered.The arabs attaked jews in mobs and killed raped and plundered this was why the jewish defence forces were formed.They were for defence not offence and they were created to counter the people that you attacked them.In no cases in the last two thousand yeaars have jewish forces been used in anything other than defending the rights and freedoms of people.Lies have been spread about the Irgun and even the arab witnesses who were there agree that there were no rapes and that the Irgun were fired upon by regular arab forces hiding behind civillians how often have we heard this of arab forces.The king David hotel ,the british were warned to leave but used their stiff upper lip an dthen blamed the Irgun for their own stupidity.All you have to do is look at history to see that jews have always been the victims and have never ever been the agressors. One billion muslim arabs to 7 million jews 13 or so million jews to the vast population of this world get real logic says that the jews are never going to be a major player in this world when it comes to power money or land .one tiny bit of land one tiny population yet the fear mongers say Israel is a threat to world peace yeah like the Tibeatns can beat the chinese millitarily .The threat to world peace is shaking its swords right now and the world is blind to it.Yes use the jews and israel as a scapegoat and ignore the real threat but do not complain when that threat is at your backdoor .The jews have been the scapegoat for the masses fo so long that they do not like them defending themselves wonder what the name is for this.
when the American Colonies declared themselves a separate nation.
Does the government want land more than peace?
Why such an opposition?? They've been living for 65years without their own country, that's far too much. Israel is a young country so Israelis should understand the needs of Palestinian people. Go go Palestine!!
Israel already is an independet state , but it does not seem to be enough. To settle illegaly more and more people at the others expence seem to be no problem - and if not accepted by the rest of the world, Israel still claim to be a victim and have the right to take "actions".
I wish Israel would actually do something like this. The best scenario would be for Israel to annex the West Bank. That would burn the bridge with the US and instigate a global embargo of the occupier, irrespective of the lobby in Washington, London and Paris. The cost of the occupation would have a crippling affect on the economy. And make the current Israeli cabinet to be potential residents of a certain facility in the Hague.
Lets assume they create a state without Israeli permission because the state was not a result of negotiations but of the UN what happens next? Israel is not going to give up Jerusalem or close down all the settlements. It probably won't share the water. Almost certainly is will not allow for the creation of any land corridor through Israel to connect the two halves of the state. That means if they want to travel between the two halves of the state it means drive to Jordan - fly to Egypt and drive to Judea & Samaria and the other way around. It will be like taking a vacacion to go to an area thats less than an hours drive if it was directly through Israel... The UN can't force Israel to let the palestinians cross through its territory. If that happens this palestinian state will be stillborn because a state cannot survive without good transport routes. Israel will not let any palestinian aircraft anywhere near its territory because even in a negotiated solution Israel wants control of the airspace over the palestinian state. Israel will also probably do like it does with Lebanon and overfly the palestinian state illegally just remind the palestinians who is top dog. The UN can create a THEORETICAL state but they can't create a viable one without Israel's blessings. Also if this goes to the Security Council and the palestinians want to create a state unilaterally then Obama will have no choice but to use the veto. Whilst pro Israel voters want a palestinian state they want a negotiated solution they hate it when the UN tries to impose its will. WIth an election in November 2012 Obama just can't take that risk of not vetoing it. He might not want to use the veto the way he did with the settlements but he will have no choice because he has an election to consider. Also September he will be full swing into the campaign season and he will have no time to concentrate on the peace process because the people who will decide if he is president or not in 2012 are in the US not Ramallah and he still has alot of domestic problems to solve if he wants their vote. Abbas missed the boat. Obama has been a die hard supporter of the palestinian cause in negotiations he would have made sure the palestinians got a good deal but Abbas wanted to play hard man all this time and not talk without preconditions which Bibi couldn't deliver even if he wanted to. If the palestinians do this alone bypassing negotiations they will get a state in theory but Israel will make sure it doesn't survive.
Many words but by the way, the world could kill Israel economically Israel too if they want to play this game. Look what happened in South Africa. By the way, Israel would not be a great economic loss for the world! Israel is the next north Korea if they continue like this! ;)
then significant embargo's/boycott's, further isolation and a complete de-legitimization of Israel as a democracy will ensue. Something has to give.
1967 Borders. Thanks to the radical present Israeli government.
It is always the same conversation. In the end, the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on. Who is afraid of Lieberman's barking?
Maybe, if so, Israelis should revolt just like the Arabs? Otherwise we'll lose our country.
If the Israeli public realised the importance of men like Yossi Beilin, a Palestinian State would have been established a long time ago. And relations with Palestine would be warm not like the cold peace with Egypt. Beilin is a true visionary and realist, a man of justice and peace but the Israeli public lacks such figures and does not appreciate,or recognize such vital people. I hope that the number of people like Fayyad and Beilin as well as figures like Yasser Abed Rabbo and Ben Eleizer continue to grow. True moderates and economists that simply understand the benefits of two states side by side.
Bomb all the countries that vote for Palestinian statehood?
Well said.
And the rockets continued..
Palestinians would burn these homes themselves, like it was in Gaza.
Every politician know today that Israel promise and promise but never keep their word. Yes instead you want to build more houses, delay any recognition and build even more houses? Guess what - it's not gonna happen, sooner or later it will get recognized. Israel is loosing support from the international community every day that goes by, and it's only due to their own actions.
the zionist are running scared!
israel should give back the land that it took in 1948
Look at them panicking at the doomsday scenario of a Palestinian state. A bit similar to burglar realising that someone is actually in the house and trying to grab as much as they can before they are caught steealing. Game over israel. In all honesty and through out history all occupation have ended. The only question is what will "israel" have or be after that ? will they be able to hold to what what they stole in since 1967 ? or even 1948 ? Let's wait and see.interesting times.
Perhaps Israel will have its commandos boarding U.N. vessels in the high seas. A tried and true strategy.
I don't recall reading about Ben Gurion refusing the recognition of the US or of the UN in 1948. Did I miss the NEGOTIATED Israeli Declaration of Independence? So now Israel threatens to take on the Arab role from 1948 - pushing the fledgling nation into the sea or just across the river? Netanyahu wants to negotiate, but he won't hear or look at any Palestinian ideas or give them any indication that he even favors a true independence or sovereignty. His last proposal was for no independence or sovereignty - but they could elect Lieberman as their PM and President-for-life - if they all moved out of Palestine.
"Israeli diplomats stressed that such a move violates the Oslo Accords"... Sooooooo, as far as Israel is concerned it signed the Oslo Accords precisely because that agreement would **stymie** the establishment of a Palestinian state, and not because Israel viewed it as an interim agreement **towards** that Palestinian state. Man, talk about a Freudian slip......
... that he ground into the dust long ago...
Maybe you missed it. It was part of his campaign, too.
Gee, I bet the other 191 countries of the world are quaking in their boots! I mean really, what planet do these foreign ministry officials live on ???
and it wonders why it is beeing hatred? well i guess from today there will be a bunch of enemies more on the horizon. seems like israel is on a suicide mission. keep it up israel that is exactly the way you will reach your goals!
it is just that your government wont tell you
I would love to see what the response from the international community would be...
Sure, go ahead, so long as your "retaliation" is like-for-like i.e. Israeli diplomatic moves in response to Palestinian diplomatic moves. Sure, feel free...... though I think that all you will achieve is to expose your complete and utter isolation from world opinion. But be my guest......
I wish they would protest Palestinian statehood. Please. That'll only give Palestine even further credibility than the 20+ nations that have already recognized a sovereign Palestine in the 1967 borders. Keep digging Israel a deeper hole...please, by all means.
TO THWART ANY PROSPECTS FOR PEACE. WHATS THE MATTER? YOU SCARED OR SOMETHING? THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY HAS HAD ENOUGH. THAT IS CLEAR. NOT EVEN AIPAC CAN SCUTTLE THE COMING PALESTINE. JUMP ON BOARD THE PEACE TRAIN BOYS. THE MIDDLE EAST IS CHANGING AND HARDLINE JEWISH RACISM HAS NO PLACE THERE. ALSO CONSIDER HOW ISRAEL'S ACTIONS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO RISING GLOBAL ANTI-SEMITISM. NOW IS YOUR TURN ISRAEL, LAND FOR PEACE. AT LEAST TRY TO ACT LIKE YOU WANT IT!
Hold its breath until it passes out.
Even if the Palestinians don't go to the UN he will use unilateral action. What's the difference?
Usually wise to read before you write.
The UN DID create a palestinian state in 1947 - it was called Partition, and the Arabs rejected it whilst the Jews accepted it.
The UN created Palestine in 1947 - was called the partition plan. The Arabs didn't want their own state. They were more focused on making sure the Jews didn't get one.
THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS CREATED ISRAEL IN 1920
Read a book
and yes, it was rejected, why split something with some people who have no place there?..sure, some people that share the same religion with you might have been here thousands of years ago but that does not mean you are one in the same.
So did many other countries/city states. Israel is the only one that has been reinvented.
Israelis should head to higher ground. The tsunami is coming.
Ironically, higher ground is the area known as the "west bank"
The UN is a worthless and racist institution it only Serves the west and Israel and t the rest of the world don't count.
History has proven that fact. It's just a circus to fool people.
The UN IS a worthless and racist institiution. It floats an average of 18 anti-Israel resolutions per year, sponsored by a bloc of autocratic, undemocratic nations. Resolutions condemning the horrific human rights abuses of Israel's Arab neighbors amount to ZERO. The "Human Rights council" has been lead by the likes of Muammar Gaddafi and Hosni Mubarak. Israel is systematically discriminated against by Arab states and barred from participating fully in UN bodies, in breach of the UN charter. Get your facts straight "Abu Ali".
Ask the Libyans in Benghazi if the UN is worthless.
Only in Orwell world! Besides its moot ! Bibi threw out the baby with the NO PRECONDITIONS bathwater. A FAIR PEACE EVER?
He's positioned himself to reject a construction freeze while urging the PA not to take unilateral steps to statehood. What is construction if not unilateral steps? He looks ridiculous to everyone but his own constituancy (who, of course, don't think he's radical enough). The Israeli right has never had a coherent end game. Their incoherence will just get more bizarre and unworkable over the next few years, and it will get to a point where even the U.S. won't be able to support them. What then? Pray to God with greater intensity?
Grow up!
Israeli policies have left the Palestinian leadership with no choice but to pursue this path. Israel has been behaving with increasing arrogance while creating facts on the ground that make a Palestinian state impossible - all this while continuing the brutal occupation and sabotaging peace talks at every turn. Enough is enough. It's not up to Israel to allow for a Palestinian state, it's the will of the Palestinian people and, might I add, much of the world also.
The world is against us. They sympathize more with the Palestinians because of our stupid settlement policy. This summer, a political tsunami is coming our way and no amount of scaremongering on Israels part can stop that.
Oh for heaven’s sake what’s this arrogant overbearing state on about now. Bluster will not prevent ‘67 borders and no occupied EJ come September. Wise up by adapting to this reality.
Have no idea what its going to do but theatning the entire world... if it wasn't so sad it would be incredibly funny..
After the UN general assembly, Israel may face more isolation economically and Israelis can't move freely to other countries as some countries may ban their passport.
Israel just loves to pick and choose which laws to ignore, and which to obey, and when. They never obey the law when it is an inconvenience, and they've been doing that for decades. Now all of a sudden they're screaming about the Oslo Accords, something Israel has NEVER obeyed? The hypocrisy is staggering.
Is trying to activate this "tsunami." I'm not worried at all. A terror state will not be created in Judea & Samaria. If the Pals get a homeland it will be across the river.
It is Israel
open your eyes, there is already a terror state created and it is called israel. lol :) must think how israel was exported and defined as a state first. lol.
They should return to Jordan, their homeland.
Before 1948, Jews were Palestinians.....
In that case why are Jewish settlers building on Jordanian land? Intending to become Jordanian?
UN 181 calling for a 2 state solution which helped created Israel. CDA for implement SC 242, Israel recognizing the "legitimate rights of the Palestinian people" and withdrawal of IDF from the West Bank and Gaza after an election of a self-governing authority to replace Israel's military government.
were German, French, American, British, Russian etc. (and still are)
if that is the case then then all Israeli settlers will have to go back to where they came from
Until 1967, the West Bank was occupied by Jordan which doesn't make the Palestinians Jordanians just like how it doesn't make them Israelis since its still under israeli occupation. Accept a Palestinian state, hope for peace and prosperity, 2 societies thriving side by side, economical cooperation etc.. This is what the Palestinians want! They are sick of being stateless.
Until 1967, the West Bank was occupied by Jordan which doesn't make the Palestinians Jordanians just like how it doesn't make them Israelis since its still under israeli occupation. Accept a Palestinian state, hope for peace and prosperity, 2 societies thriving side by side, economical cooperation etc.. This is what the Palestinians want! They are sick of being stateless.
Read the Balfour's Declaration, please.
do more research, and tell my why israelis speak german, polish, russian, italian, american english, ARABIC, fluently.
Half of all Israelis are either from arab lands or descended from parents from arab lands.Lands where Jews lived pre Islam.Anyone that has been or lived in Israel will see the culture is sephardi mizrahi not ashkenazi.The Jews are from Palestine Libya Aden Tunisia Morrocco Turkey Greece India Ethiopea Syria Iran Iraq Yemen Bahrain Lebanon Indonesia South America France Germany Poland Britain America Ireland Scotland England Australia etc one thing in common their ancestors kept their language and religion and never ever forgot where they came from.They would all have been original Jews as who in their right mind would convert to a religion where you are discriminated against and in many cases hahad no rights as a human beings.I have friends who can trace their families back in Israel for hundreds of years yet people say they have no rights to be there .In America Australia South America South Africa etc the lands were settled by people that had no relation to the countrys .With the Jews they have an undisputed connection that only a foll could deny.Yes in this world there are many wrongs committed but study history and you will see that the Jewish people have suffered more than there fair share of persecution and bigotry in most lands where they have lived .Now they have one tiny plot of land a tiny population yet they are still hounded ,which shows they could live anywhere but will never be left alone no matter what they do.You can change history and help by leaving the Jews alone to worship and live in peace that is all we ask nothing more nothing less.
Resolution 1860 (2009) Adopted by the Security Council at its 6063rd meeting, on 8 January 2009 The Security Council, Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008), UNGA 181 is irelevant today, by the way Arabs turned the offer down.
Fair enough Rab - but allow the Palestinians the same thing.
I think the reasons for the bigotry and persecution has come to light thanks to Israels religious fanatics such as Former Chief Rabbi Yosef, leader of the Shaa Party in the government, claims that non-Jews were created, like donkeys, to serve the Jews and the government is silent on his comments. A nice Hitleresque view of a Jewish "master race".
If there is such an organization its the responsibility and dd Duty of the world body to end this Illegal occupation and create the Palestinian state weather Israel likes it or not ,the world and the US made Sudan to give up its northern part for the creation of an independent state.Yes we can enough is enough.
After recognition Palestinians will fire rockets at Israel.
ISRAEL WAS CREATED IN 1920 AT SAN REMO THE UN ENDED THE MANDATE IN 1947
It is not UN's role to create new states. All it can do is accept an existing state into its ranks, as it did for Israel, in May 11, 1949, and for the People's Republic of China, in October 25, 1971.
Suggested reading: www.mfa.gov.il - (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs) on the Establishment of State of Israel, 14 May 1948
Recent murder in Itamar: tragedy. PA reaction: condemnation. Israeli reaction: immediate halt to peace plans with PA, for vague reasons that appear to be a combination of panic and guilt by association. Essentially: "you're also Palestinians, so you're as bad as Hamas." Israel has spent more than ten years effectively punishing the PA for Hamas' actions, without even considering the consequences: that the PA has lost the respect of its people, who (correctly) view Hamas as the only group with power—so pledge allegiance to Hamas instead. We've effectively built up Hamas. And that's strangely convenient for Likud, given that Hamas' power makes it less likely that we can evacuate the settlements anytime soon. Hey, could that have been the real goal? (DING!)
Its statehood or a vote. Israel has been acting unilaterally from the first settlement on Palestinian land.
I'd be interested to hear a cogent pro-Israel response defending Israel's actions here.
It is simple like an egg. A Palestinian state at this stage inevitably will be a nest of terrorist's groups which will attack Israel using every possible means. Everyone understand it (including youself). The only possible outcome of the recognition is a wave of terror followed by war like in 1967.
is very simple: There is this series of storys written thousands of years ago that says that a supernatural being promised someone that his offspring will inherit all the lands between the two rivers of Egypt and Iraq. What more proof do you need?
Look you dont misyarn alright?Whatever anybody does in this world,whether it be UN,US, any body or country or people for that matter,God will always remain God.He will not change.He spoke about the return of the jews not 1ce,not 2ce,not 3ce well over 2,500yrs ago and it came to pass.You can write whatever you choose to write but be careful what you write or say about the Most High God.The God of Israel is his name.Whether you like it or not,Israel has come to stay.Whether a Palestinian state or not I dont care,what God thinks is most important.Good day.
spoke to me last night and told me to smite my neighbours.a short while ago a rabbi insisted it was ok for jews to kill palis,new testament tells me to LOVE my neighbour.HELP me! perhaps i should live by the rule of LAW
The decision to indict him is expected this week. Perhaps Netanyahu should do the threatening, except that nobody is scared of this bully.
even if lieberman were to leave, the issues will remain unresolved.
the decision to indict him has been expected for years.he will survive
He will survive if the Israeli justice system is corrupt. Is it?
He will survive if the Israeli justice system is corrupt. Is it?
The true face of Israel revealed? And do we really need to wonder where the settlers have gotten their "price-tag" mentality? If there was ever a time to pull the plug on the 'soft touch' approach of dealing with Israel, it's NOW! The S-T-A-T-E of Israel is essentially doing exactly what the settlers do...and in case anyone misses the implication here...it's that Israel has absolutely NO intention of there EVER being a viable Palestinian state, much less one that's largely based on the 1967 borders, and it intends to expand its settlements indefinitiely...which is WHY it clings so desparately to the concept of a negotiated final status, which is what has always provided it the leeway it to do so. "Forestall and build, baby, forestall and build!"
Those UN was not binding.
let them recognise a palestinian state.dont waste time on this.
Israel is manoeuvring itself into the same corner Apartheid South Africa found itself in. By continuing to hold the UN in contempt, the very body Israel owes its legitimacy to, Israel will invite further political, economical and cultural sanctions until one day it will have to yield. Israel may appear strong, but looks can be deceptive. If it is going to have a longtime future it will have to dezionise and find a different, more inclusive basis on which to coexist with the indigenous Palestinian people.
There is already one, Jordan. No need for two Palestinian states. Palestinians are Jordanians.
There has never been a "State of Palestine" in all of human history. Why will there be one now?
Do you mean in modern nation-state form? because they were a colonial vassal known as Mandate Palestine, which is how most states began. Or are you comparing to Israel which often refers to the kingdom if Israel from thousands of years ago being somehow identical to the modern nation-state? Just because something doesn't meet your current, convoluted definition does not negate it entirely.
There has never been a "Jewish State" in all of human history. Why is there one now?
Did the Romans invade France or Gaul? Where is Visigothland? Wasn't Carthage just renamed as Tunisia? Why isn't Burgundy still a country? Shouldn't Holland still be part of Spain? It was once.
When did an independent state of Israel exist before WW2? It existed mainly in imagination and tales. An independent Israel existed for a relative short period some 3000 (yes 3000) years ago and for some years over 2100 years ago.
Palestine has always been there. It has often been colonized by foreign powers but each occupation has only ever been temporary.
Because: a. the Palestinians want one, and b. the land they want it in is illegally occupied. Has it not occurred to you, Edan, that there was no israel before 1948. It was created by the UN, just as Palestine will be.
Maybe because there are 10 MILLION Palestinians in the world who'd like to have a country just like you have one ? Just accept it and get over it. It is time for the 4.5 million palestinian refugees who have been living in camps for decades to go home. And believe me, a guy like you won't stop the will of 10 million palestinians, not to mention the will of the world.
Well "state" is a term that is quite new to the region. So the fact that there has never been a State of Palestine should not be surprising to you. But you do know that in 1947 the UN declaration was for an Israel State as well as a Palestinian State. So according to this, an Israeli state should be no more legitimate than a Palestinian state. Also the Palestinians did not need to import millions of people to form their state, there people were already living on the land. So theology aside, why exactly does Israel deserve to be a "state" but not Palestine??
Before July 4, 1776, there had never been, in all human history, a country called "United State of America". Why should there be one today? This planet has not been created equipped with ready-made countries. Inform yourself.
Mandate Palestine = Israel. Read.
Israel (Mandate Palestine) was created by the League of Nation and Ottoman Empire at San Remo in 1920.
The proposal was; An Arab state and a Jewish state. The Arabs turned it down as in 1937.
and not the Israeli Shekel?
There has been a Jewish State (it fell twice about 2000 years ago), however, not the way we view countries today! And there must be 2 states!! If Israel doesnt recognize the Palestinian State it will be a short time before more Palestinians will outnumber Jews in Israel, and then, YES, Bye bye ISrael!
whatcha gonna do, Mr. Big Stuff?
And the message being passed to various countries through diplomatic channels carries an implied threat that Israel's actions will result in violence. Cool Israel! You're really out to impress! The Netanyahu coalition continues its "delegitimization" of Israel at an increasing pace! Israel's complete alienation looms on the near horizon...so get ready Iran, you're due to be moving up one step from the bottom here shortly.
It would/will be the only military action the UN will take. Where are they in Lybia, Tunisa, Egypt, Iran, Saudi, etc., etc., and etc,