Israel's claims of Sweden-Hamas contacts likely unfounded

1x. Your first post indicated that Swedish youths are anti-Semitic and that Sweden has become anti-Semitic in the last 15-20 years. This is wrong of course. 3x. You're going to have to work on the phrasing on that one. 4x. It is your fault if what you are trying to express is not expressed in a way that the reader can understand what you are saying. That's why we're both using English instead of our first languages... 5x. Yes the region in which Israel is located is likely the reason for it's being less liberal, the point wasn't about that though. It was about Swedish youths disagreeing with Israeli policies... 6x. Am I hoping in vain for any kind of elaboration on exactly how Sweden has changed and exactly what it is that older Swedes "resent"?

Sweden should exert its right to be independent and not be bullied into herd instinct by Israel Hamas is not a terrorist group but a national resistant group and Sweden should rest its case on this. Hamas has never targeted any other group of people but Israelis and it has no ties to international terror. Plus its members haven't engaged in suicide bombing for 3-4 yrs.This all warrants a shift and change in policy. Dutch P.S. Perhaps it can get Hamas to give a further commitment on this last point and there is no valid reason for keeping Hamas on the terrorist list anymore.

1a. That was the point. The average Swede is not anti-Semitic. 1x. i did not say they were! 3a. Still wrong. You don`t have to commit a crime to be an anti-Semite. The fact that younger people commit more crimes shows nothing. 3x. But if you commit a crime again someone because of their race or religion,it is. 4a. Makes no sense. 4x. because you can not understand, it is not my fault. 5a. Comparing Israeli and Swedish policies on a hawk-dove scale would undoubtedly place Israel on the hawk side of Sweden. 5x. Sweden is not surronded by enimes althought Arab/Muslim youths seem to want to burn Malmo and Gothenburgh down in the name of protest. Lousy manners. 6a.Find me a western democracy that hasn?t changed socially, politically and financially in the last 30 years. 6x. 30 years is a long time, you will change a great deal in 30 years, i expect to dead by then!!

1a. That was the point. The average Swede is not anti-Semitic. 2a. That's right ofc. What I meant was: the number of such crimes are few and Jews are not targeted above others. 3a. Still wrong. You don't have to commit a crime to be an anti-Semite. The fact that younger people commit more crimes shows nothing. 4a. Makes no sense. 5a. Comparing Israeli and Swedish policies on a hawk-dove scale would undoubtedly place Israel on the hawk side of Sweden. These youths are for example very sympathetic of the civilians harmed in Gaza. Would you say that the average Israeli view is more liberal there? This sympathy has manifested itself through demonstrations against Israeli policies, this is not anti-Semitism. 6a. Way to dodge the issue once more. In your initial statement you said that ?older Swedes resent the way Sweden has changed?, and exactly what was that change again? Find me a western democracy that hasn?t changed socially, politically and financially in the last 30 years.

'Based on inaccurate information?' How about based on a lie?

What's wrong with trying to establish contact with Hamas? Does Israel want peace or not? Or are Israeli so-called peace initiatives a cynical ploy to gain time?

1) The average Swede doesn't give a crap what religion someone is into. 1a) The average Swede is basically not religious. It is more a social event. i have enjoyed a drink or two in a pub with a Swedish priest. She was nice. 2) These xenophobic people are responsible for some crimes against mainly Jews, Muslims and Gays (in rising order of number of crimes). 2a) Yes, but the crimes are relative to the size of the group which goes Gays, Muslims, and Jews. 3) Your statement that old Swedes are not anti-Semitic implies that young ones are, that is not true. 3a) It is true simply because the rate violent crime is generally higher among people below 40 than above. 4)You might be confusing criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism. 4a) Fear is not criticism, and unless you have experienced it, how would you know? 5) Many young Swedes have leftist views which do not go well with recent Israeli policies. 5a) Your knowledge of Jews seems limited. We tend to be more liberal than most. Have you ever read Haaretz? 6) Lastly, if you are going to make some cloaked allegation of Sweden changing in the last 15-20 years you should indicate exactly what has changed. Sweden is not anti-Semitic. 6a) There is nothing clocked about it! If you knew Sweden and the Swedes for over 30 years, it would be obvious that immigration has affected Sweden socially, politically, and financially. Some of the changes are beneficial, but some are not.

This article is on the equivalent of like page 65 now. And it's been up for just 9 hours or something? I guess some news go old very quickly...

It seems that Israeli politicians just try in purpose to harm also the contacts with EU because of the Swedish presidency of EU. One way is to make them look antisemitists so what ever the "leader" of the EU presidency says, it cannot be taken seriously.It is not anything new- same with the other nations when having the EU presidency (during six month).It is to torpedoing EU's opinions or crticism. Just forgetting that there are 27 countries in EU.

Religiously related crimes in Sweden are rare, Sweden is a very secularized country. The average Swede doesn't give a crap what religion someone is into. But there are some people in Sweden that are very far right and nationalistic, they represent a small portion of the Swedish population. These xenophobic people are responsible for some crimes against mainly Jews, Muslims and Gays (in rising order of number of crimes). Your statement that old Swedes are not anti-Semitic implies that young ones are, that is not true (that is not to say that there aren't any anti-Semites in Sweden, I'm sure there are both young and old ones, but they are few in numbers). You might be confusing criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism. Many young Swedes have leftist views which do not go well with recent Israeli policies. Lastly, if you are going to make some cloaked allegation of Sweden changing in the last 15-20 years you should indicate exactly what has changed. Sweden is not anti-Semitic.

have obviously the same relationship to facts - do never check them if they serve their purposes. The difference is that the Aftonbladet is just a lousy tabloid which wants to sell more papers, Netanyahu is the head of the Israeli government..

Sweden pays 100 million dollars every year as aid to the palestinians. Contact with the administrations on the West bank and Gaza cannot be avoided.

"Use of such information for diplomatic purposes is often acceptable, but its credibility should have been checked first, say the sources" An apology is very much of an accepted measure for diplomatic purposes, if judging by what Israel government requires every now and then from the governments of other states.

If you are Jewish and live in Sweden, you do not feel as safe as most Swedes. i am aware of it through one of my wife's cousins who is Jewish. She, like many Jews, does not show her religion openly. Most older Swedes are not anti-Semitic and resent how their country has changed over the past 15 to 20 years. They remember the stories of Raoul Wallenberg and were proud of his life and efforts.

relationships with Hamas, and not for supporting Hamas Islamist ideoplogy neccessarily but because Hamas in the eyes of the "liberal-progressive" circles in Sweden represents the most militant force aginst the nation-state of a singled out people...!!!

The reason might be that the fabrication is coming from the leader of Israel rather than from a tabloid that makes its money by printing gossip and controversial (read unproven) issues. And you might like to note that Sweden hasn't tried to limit Bibis right to free speech. It has asked Bibi what he based his claims on, which apparently is nothing. What an interesting way of dealing with unfounded allegations!

Who can any more take seriously these Israeli ministers? A lie is covered by inventing new lies.

Obviously from one of the many Hammas front groups.

That's ok Israel..... you have plenty of international friends... doesn't matter if you alienate a few more.......

fabrication. Hey, free speech.

here you are screaming your lungs out, and when push comes to shove, it's the "it was their fault, not mine" policy, the same you scream about everyone else, hey look, there's something on the side of your mouth, it's s$$t.