• Published 01:07 23.11.09
  • Latest update 16:35 23.11.09

Israel looks toward IDF pullout from Lebanon border village

Ministers recommend handing control of Ghajar to UN troops, letting residents keep Israeli IDs.

By Barak Ravid Tags: UNIFIL Israel news

Senior cabinet ministers, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, decided on Sunday to work toward a withdrawal of the Israel Defense Forces from the northern portion of the village of Ghajar on Israel's border with Lebanon.

The ministers of the cabinet's "forum of seven" are to recommend to the security cabinet to adopt the plan of UNIFIL commander Claudio Graziano to have UN troops take responsibility for the area, while Israel would continue to meet civilian needs and residents, who are Alawi Arabs, would retain their Israeli identity cards.

The international border between Israel and Lebanon runs through the middle of the village, and according to UN Resolution 1701, which ended the Second Lebanon War, required Israel to cease all operations north of the border, with an emphasis on military operations.

The issue of Ghajar came up last week in talks between French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

Israel has also been told by the United States and the United Nations that now that the Saad Hariri government has been established in Lebanon, Israel's withdrawal from Ghajar will help bring stability to the northern border and strengthen Hariri's moderate camp, as it can present an Israeli withdrawal as a first, speedy accomplishment.

Netanyahu reportedly wants to bring the matter to a vote in the security cabinet on Wednesday.

The pullout is supported by the Foreign Ministry, which feels that Israel will gain points with the international community.

The IDF has told Netanyahu and Barak that Unifil's plan will solve the conflict over the village and will not impair Israel's ability to provide security to area residents. Shortly after Netanyahu took office, the United States requested Israel withdraw from Ghajar to strengthen the moderates in Lebanon. Netanyahu was reportedly close to approving the move when Lebanon asked for a postponement until after elections.

A few months ago a number of officials, led by Lieberman, proposed placing the international border fence in the middle of the village, and that the residents north of the fence would be compensated and evacuated to the southern part of the village, which would remain in Israeli hands. However, after Lieberman visited the village and met with residents, he realized they were strongly opposed to such a move, and he decided to support the Unifil plan as a temporary solution.

According to Graziano's plan, presented a year ago, hundreds of Unifil troops will be deployed in and around the village, along with a liaison officer from the Lebanese Army. The 40 to 60 Unifil soldiers to be stationed in the village would respond in case of a criminal or terrorist incident and would also assist the inhabitants in civilian matters. The force, which would not exceed 12 to a shift, would be drawn from veterans of the region with experience dealing with local inhabitants.

Unifil's mandate in northern Ghajar would be the same as elsewhere in Lebanon: they would not be allowed to search homes, but only to prevent infractions of the cease-fire. It would not interfere in the enforcement of Israeli law, which would still prevail in the northern part of the village.

UNIFIL Commander Claudio Graziano talking to Lebanese officers in south Lebanon in October.

Photo by: (Reuters)
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  • 31. 0 0
    Israel is a state on the defense
    • Malkiel
    • 25.11.09
    • 22:40

    If arabs laid down their weapons, there'd be no more war. If jews laid down their weapons, there'd be no more jews. And as arabs would murder the last jew, the world would build new holocaust museums for the new jewish holocaust. Silvienne, you should blush. I said Israel is not aggressive, just not stupid as Europe is.

  • 30. 0 0
    #28, Malkiel, I hope you're blushing...
    • Silvienne
    • 25.11.09
    • 22:00

    "Still, Israel is not an aggressive state"

  • 29. 0 0
    Israeli government is not seeking expanding
    • Malkiel
    • 25.11.09
    • 18:16

    its territory. Israel very well knows that Jewish National Homeland is much wider than Israel's current borders. However, Israel does not seek to reclaim all of Jewish National Homeland which would include much of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Sinai. Israel would rather live in peace with its neighbors. I don't think Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or Egypt want war with Israel. Hizballa want war with Israel. What is shia's beef with the Jews I don't know.

  • 28. 0 0
    Amir, I am not an israeli
    • Malkiel
    • 25.11.09
    • 18:00

    I am just a zionist living in exile. I know that southern Lebanon is really jewish land. And giving away your own homeland to the enemy is never a way to peace. Ghajar and Shebaa Farms are just pretext for lebanese shia to attack Israel. They know better than anybody that both Ghajar and Shebaa Farms are part of Golan and jewish homeland and if Israel gives away any part of its territory, enemies of the jews (=enemies of Israel) will not stop there. In the Middle East, if you want peace, prepare for war. Still, Israel is not an aggressive state. They are just not stupid.

  • 27. 0 0
    Malkiel wrote...
    • Amir Mohamed
    • 24.11.09
    • 17:20

    "...Jews in many places in Europe are afraid to put a yarmulke on in public!..." Well not when they are with me, Sir ! Your oversimplification of who is who and what Arabs and Moslems think and do, is a little bit disturbing and also inadequate! (BTW I understand by now that you are not Assyrian, but an Israeli who has emigrated - sorry for that misunderstanding).

  • 26. 0 0
    #22, Malkiel...
    • Silvienne
    • 24.11.09
    • 16:35

    "Jews in many places in Europe are afraid to put a yarmulke on in public!" I do believe this. But in New York, as you say, there's a large Jewish population. I'm from London but have lived in Connecticut for many years. Friends send me the papers from England and I've never yet seen an article which says that English police are afraid of Muslim neighbourhoods though...

  • 25. 0 0
    Malkiel - comment on what I wrote and...
    • Amir Mohamed
    • 24.11.09
    • 16:20

    ...not what you think about me as a person. I just wanted to know howcome the ancient areas of Aser and Neftali aren't on the agenda anymore ? Or are they ? Trying to get a clear answer. The Jewish readers haven't replied me yet, and you as a Syrian or Assyrian haven't either.(BTW you are totally wrong about the Swedish police and their capacity)

  • 24. 0 0
    The Answer to peace is
    • John The Baptist
    • 24.11.09
    • 00:13

    land for water - that's what the whole conflict will boil down to. The Palestinian refugees need land, Israel needs water and Lebanon needs peace and quiet - meaning no more involvment in conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

  • 23. 0 0
    Why is Amir Mohamed is concerned with
    • Malkiel
    • 24.11.09
    • 00:03

    ancestral lands of Asher and Naftali? Arab from Stockholm knows the truth and israeli government forgot it.

  • 22. 0 0
    Silvienne, ask french and english jews about muslims in Europe
    • Malkiel
    • 24.11.09
    • 00:00

    Because I live in New York and in the last 10 years there's more and more of them in New York. Jews in many places in Europe are afraid to put a yarmulke on in public!

  • 21. 0 0
    #19, Malkiel, what rubbish!
    • Silvienne
    • 23.11.09
    • 20:51

    "And even their own policemen are AFRAID to step into arab and muslim neighborhoods in their own cities" What a load of rubbish you write. Got any proof of what you claim? Of course not...

  • 20. 0 0
    Ghajar is Israel
    • Chaim Ben Kahan
    • 23.11.09
    • 18:53

    One more town that was part of Israel handed over to terrorist. The residents of Ghajar have begged Israel to keep them part of Israel as this area was abandoned by Syria and Lebanon. Israel took them in and looked after them and now we abandon them like we did the SLA and hand them over to the Hizbollah terrorist. What a shame!

  • 19. 0 0
    If Sweden and England want peace
    • Malkiel
    • 23.11.09
    • 18:05

    Let them give up their own territory. Oops, I forgot they did. And even their own policemen are AFRAID to step into arab and muslim neighborhoods in their own cities.

  • 18. 0 0
    Wissam skews reality
    • Johnny
    • 23.11.09
    • 17:50

    Hezbollah exists due to occupation and a weak Lebanese Army, Wissam tells us. Well, the UN certified the full Israeli withdrawal (Sheba Farms is Syrian under Int'l Law) from Lebanon so "occupation" is a convenient but dishonest excuse. No matter how far Israel withdraws, Hezbollah will claim it is not enough. As for the weak Lebanese army, how exactly did Hezbollah "defend" Lebanon when it crossed the border, killed and kidnapped Israeli troops, and brought a massively destructive Israeli response against Lebanon? How grateful were the Lebanese for that act of "defense"? Or is it that Hezbollah's real purpose is to defend Iran in the event of a regional conflict? How grateful will the Lebanese be to die for Iran?

  • 17. 0 0
    Francois: Normalized Peace
    • Brad
    • 23.11.09
    • 17:26

    Like with Egypt or Jordan? Why should Israel withrdraw without compensation after being visciously attacked in 1967 in an attempt to liquidate her? What will stop Arab nations from doing it again if all that happens is that if they fail in their attempt, Israel has to withdraw? Where is the detterence for the kind of misconduct that the Arab nations are guilty of? Given the sentiments on the Arab street, why do you think anything Israel does will make a difference? Why will withdrawel work given Israel's experience with Gaza and Lebanon? Its easy to spoute peace but Israel has no choice but to be extremely careful about what it does. Yes, it should be willing to take risks for peace but it should not be willing to risk its citizens. Deterrence plays a role here.

  • 16. 0 0
    pullout
    • Ol
    • 23.11.09
    • 17:18

    But why letting them keep israeli ID? They are lebanon arabs, finaly going to live "free" in Lebanon. What's the point of providing some lebanians with israeli social benefits?

  • 15. 0 0
    Agreeing with Wissam...
    • Silvienne
    • 23.11.09
    • 17:00

    Thank you for your posts. The sooner the IDF stays in Israel itself, the better.

  • 14. 0 0
    NEXT: Jerusalem as an OPEN CITY
    • JUDDE
    • 23.11.09
    • 16:53

    If it wasn't for the 'points' that Israel expects to score from the international community, they'd still be there (not to mention pressure from Hizballa). Just get out of there. Even the Druze don't like. And you know it. Next item in the Agenda: Begin the transfer of Jerusalm to the UN and declare it as an open city and the Capital of Palestine and isreal.

  • 13. 0 0
    Wissam - do not get hysterical - everything will happen
    • 17
    • 23.11.09
    • 16:38

    according to the plan. Please tell me - how are you going to treat Israelis on your territory? Are you ready to provide them withfinancial aid? Israeli expatriates are not eligible to any assistance from Israel. How about their employment? Really, it is the interesting stuff. What is your opinion? Thank you.

  • 12. 0 0
    Ok I give up - I ask Wissam instead...
    • Amir Mohamed
    • 23.11.09
    • 16:37

    ...why are these people giving up on conquest of the ancient areas of Aser and Neftali ? Do you have any idea ? Too much tough resistence ? Loss of principles ?

  • 11. 0 0
    # 9, CM
    • Wissam
    • 23.11.09
    • 15:50

    Very scary!! even though, i recall that the "Mighty" "IDF" could not manage to shut down Al Manar Tv. Its ok, its just normal for you to relax yourself with all this tough talk. Get out of my country!! the sooner the better.

  • 10. 0 0
    to Wissam you help with Hisb is not asked for
    • CM
    • 23.11.09
    • 14:59

    Israel had a frank discussion with Hisb in 2006 and with Hamas in 2009. Both undesrtood perfectly well Israel's arguments and stay calm since. Your help is not needed. But if you still plan to get long range missles, than my advice discuss it first with Hisballah, they may tell you what they learned.

  • 9. 0 0
    It is indeed interesting situation.
    • 17
    • 23.11.09
    • 13:35

    Israel should pull out and establish border fence in closed border with the enemy state, All Israeli expatriates including those that will find themselves living in Lebanon can get into Israel only through the border entry points - Allenby br, BG airport and Haifa port. It is also interesting to follow the life of these Israeli citizens in Lebanon.

  • 8. 0 0
    Giving TA to "international control" would really "score points"
    • Absolute Sweden
    • 23.11.09
    • 12:20

    with the "international community". This slippery rope race recomended by the Israeli Foreign Ministry could only end in disaster

  • 7. 0 0
    ME Peace is not a hard thing rly
    • Francois
    • 23.11.09
    • 11:58

    Pull out of Ghajar and Shebaa farms, sign a peace treaty with syria in exchange for the golan and normalised relations, at that point hezbollah has no leg to stand on. Accept the Arab Peace initiative withdraw to 67 borders and allow the palestinians to regain sovereignty. At this point Hamas has no leg to stand on and Israel has peace and normalised relations with the entire arab world, Including all its neighbours. Iran (which is not an arab country and whose theocratic revolution is considered a threat to almost all arab states), after these events now stands isolated in its call to arms against israel, facing a possible revolution from within their ranks will give up their nuclear capabilities if Israel signs on to the NPT, The lebanese will disarm Hezbollah once their national army has been propped up and some level of confidence that Israel is not planning a new invasion is met.

  • 6. 0 0
    Pull out
    • Wissam
    • 23.11.09
    • 10:54

    You just pull out, because we are pretty bored with all your blabbing and no actions! Note: hezbullah's existence is based on two things, one occupation and second is a weak Lebanese army to protect its borders from the ENEMY! Now your second step should be, if you want to get rid of hezbullah and to talk to the Europeans and the Americans and tell them to give us (for free :)) air defenses and long range missiles with powerful with powerful explosives. Then maybe we will discuss Hezbullah Issue.

  • 5. 0 0
    Why are you guys sooo very modest...
    • Amir Mohamed
    • 23.11.09
    • 10:45

    ...isn't it the duty of IDF to conquer Lebanese land up to and just beyond the Litani river ? The ancient areas of Aser and Neftali ? And now giving away this village ??? Truely confusing !

  • 4. 0 0
    Yes, by all means. The UN had done such a
    • Josiah J. Ben David
    • 23.11.09
    • 10:10

    good job in Lebanon- NOT - ! Hand over the border village to the UN . They will 'take care' of everything. I' beginning to think that the greatest enemy of Israel is the UN. Is military action against the UN in Lebanon eventually unthinkable? I'm sure Hezbollah have considered it. That's why UN forces there are pussy cats !

  • 3. 0 0
    Can't Arabs be evacuated? But Jews can?
    • fo realz
    • 23.11.09
    • 09:52

    Those who stay in Lebanon will be Lebanese. What is this double standard?

  • 2. 0 0
    Pull-out delegitimises Hezbollah militia in Lebanon!
    • Jacob
    • 23.11.09
    • 09:51

    An Israeli pull-out from Lebanon (also from sheba farms) will remove one of Hezbollah's most important arguments, namely that they fight an occupier. An Israeli pull-out will subject Hezbollah to more political pressure in Lebanon. By far the best thing Israel can do.

  • 1. 0 0
    Curious last paragraph
    • Johnboy
    • 23.11.09
    • 09:37

    "Unifil's mandate in northern Ghajar would be the same as elsewhere in Lebanon: they would not be allowed to search homes, but only to prevent infractions of the cease-fire. It would not interfere in the enforcement of Israeli law, which would still prevail in the northern part of the village. " Israel withdrew from North Ghajar in 2000, and so I'm curious what the status of "Israeli law" was in that northern half between 2000-2006. Because if "Israeli law" wasn't applied between 2000-2006 then this current arrangement is a de facto annexation of Lebanese territory by Israel, and UNIFIL is doing nothing more than acting as the IDF's subcontractor. Lieberman's idea is much better i.e. it was Israel that allowed Ghajar to sprawl over the border between 1982-2000, and now Israel should abandon that northern half. After all, it was A Bad Mistake to have allowed that sprawl to happen in the first place.