Israel has nothing to worry about over Dubai killing

Too crazy for Israel to do this way. Why would they need or risk an operation with all these people when one or two operatives could have killed this Hamas guy? Besides, Israel is much too smart to use all these people when something could go wrong with just one of them. Doesn't make sense. It's so crazy that only other Hamas or Iranian/Syrians would try to pull this off.

I doubt any facts will come to light. Whoever planned this was brilliant. Congrats!!!

Congrats to the team whose identity may never be known. One less bastard to worry about. Sends a strong message to his associates.

Ask any judge in the world

"Innocents cannot be murdered" Aw come on ...of course they can ...Just look at Gaza and Cast Lead and you see they can be murdered

... Santa Claus exists and the moon is made of cheese!

Steven writes : who are you people (Christians) to offer any advise or sentiments with regard to our actions? Well Steven this is simple. Our Christian cash ($$$$) which your poor country desperately needs entitles us to an opinion. We want to know what you people do with all this hard cash which you guys pull out of Christian coffers. What would you be without the Christians? Nothing!You exist by the grace of the Christians

(Especially, in light of the fact many family members said their alleged hijacking sons were alive and their identity were stolen and we all know certain people were told not to show up for work that day.....Dutch http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646.

Their families kept writing to the government to say their sons were alive and their identities were stolen and no passed it along to the media so their compliants were not followed up. Thus people have been saying for a long time Mossad was involved with 9/11 too. And trust me no one is dismissing that connection either. Especially, since people feel it was an inside job and US intelligence was involved it seems at every step of the way. The accusations are endless and they all carry their own weight... Why were all top officials AOL at the time? And why no response from Edward's airforce in the immediate area? How could people have made cell phone calls from thousands of feet in the air when that kind of technoly didn't exist then? And course , what about the architects who signed a letter stating it was impossible for the towers to have been free falling unless there were certain kinds of explosives staged along the way. see below. 9/11 Fairy Tale is unraveling . http://www.billslinksandmore.com/Billsblog/2009/06/02/the-official-911-fairy-tale-is-unraveling/

"What if Hamas retaliates against people whose identity was stolen?" - Ari That would be a real bummer. Dubai is handling this investigation in a far more open fashion than normal (compare the assassination of a Chechen last Spring). "Whoever used the identities of real persons should be sentenced not by a Dubai court, but by an Israeli court." - Ari Why not both? "Exposing innocent people to possible retaliation is completely unacceptable." - Ari It is dastardly. Curiously while the world seems to want to blame Israel, Hamas and Fatah are blaming each other and that news is not getting much coverage.

before they are executed". Who are "THEY" Chris? You appoint yourself Judge and jury with a foregone conclusion that it was Mossad who killed this guy. I would suggest this is NOT the response of a Christian, but of a confused Bigot.

"Your passport would contain your biometrics. If your biometrics does not match then then yo`ll be intercepted. Forged passports to create would be very difficult." - Aby How and where is the biometric data stored Aby? How is that information matched? Isn't a passport photo an old form of biometric data and easily replaced with one which matches? Why did a server address 74.125.45.113:80 try to make repeated Stealth Mode connections to my computer in the last few days? Sometimes technology can actually make doing something easier because it appears that it is harder to do.

The Internet Age is wonderful. The Jet Age was summed up by the joke that it meant Breakfast in Paris, Lunch in New York, and dinner in Los Angles; with baggage in Buenos Aires. The Internet Age means browsing the world's news from everywhere (why was Azerbijan's Today the first to report leaks from the latest IAEA Report on Iran?), over coffee, searching immense databases for research, perusing products world wide from an office chair, and having your identity tracked by everywhere. It means learning who is knocking on your digital door. It means depending upon corporations and governments to act responsibly. It means living naked in a digital downpour. The fact that so many false passports had Israeli names upon them is interesting. But not necessarily evidence of any Mossad connection.

You seem to be an expert on this Chris. Have you known many Israelis tobe arrested in the UK for espionage....No didn't think so. Those 6 passport holders will not have much to prove seeing as it has already been stated by the British authorities that they were fake, so not an arrestable offence if they were not their passports. You really spout a lot of drivel don't you. Who exactly would be deporting them, the Israelis? the British? or perhaps you think the Dubai police will have that power. Back to the playground and your fantasies little boy

It is typical of you two to always look for the superficial explanations in your derision of israel and its reputation in the world. People like you matter less than a drop in the ocean and your opinions even less. All your speculation is based on the abhorrence you have for Israel and hence will say anything that pops into your tiny heads. Yes mossad has made mistakles before but like many apologists on this board you fail to realise that there are many players in this game and many of them have similar interests to Israel when it comes to terrorists like this. So please keep your incorrect speculation fore the playground where you both belong

Swallowed my words from before Operation Cast Lead? Yep the Goldstone Report, Israelis not daring to travel to the UK in case they get arrested. Means I have to eat my words. The Prime Minister of Britain has called for an investigation. Lets see shall we?

They should get a fair trial before they are executed. Like what this particular Palestinian recieved. So what do you propose should be done to ensure the safety of civilians using British Passports on legitimate business abroad? Including those whose identities have been stolen?

Didn't SAustralia just jail several home grown Jihadists for plotting to cause mayhem, and wasn't an Australian the only person so far convicted at Guantanamo Bay? Didn't realise my point of view would have upset you so much, but it wasn't Australian passports that were used it was British passports. Now what would you do if you were in the British position to protect British Passport Holders travelling abroad on legitimate business?

Coming from the guy who can't even give his OWN definition of a Zionist without consulting the Manual I should point out to you that he makes a foregone conclusion in that these people will be tried and EXECUTED. Got it..EXECUTED. Very strange that you can't connect the words to understand the sentence in full.

"until these miscreants are handing over for trial and execution.CL "You don`t know they`re guilty and you`ve already executed them. Is this the "Christian" you`ve become?"H Note the word "Trial" H. Unlike the trial the Hamas fighter was given. Did not notice your concern for his rights. Very Zionist of you.

According to Melman the assassination should be put in perspective- The assassinated killed two IDF soldiers and smuggled arms. By these criteria, many Israelis are ripe targets as well. The only difference is that Hamas has no Mosad.

This case is so incredibly bizarre, that entrapment comes to mind. " Inspector Clouseau " could not have been the initiator, no way.

Whoever used the identities of real persons should be sentenced not by a Dubai court, but by an Israeli court. Exposing innocent people to possible retaliation is completely unacceptable

i still tend to think it was a group of (independent) contractors, orchestrated from some central place (but who was this?) maybe not even "peter" knows about. but, once the plan (who/when/what hotel etc) is set up, it doesnt look extremely complicated to just run through it... whatever they needed on suspicious equipment (stungun, poison etc) was obviously provided by someone in dubai, as it wouldnt have made it through airport security checks. yet, we have to see the cctv when it was handed over - and by whom. maybe this happened that afternoon at "the fairmont" (vids). same to the phones. strange, that they all used the same provider... wasnt really clever...but supports the assumption, that random independent people met and got mobiles assigned at the spot.

Again showing that Chris Lintwait #29 can't read or just fabricating things. Last word a terrorist has been killed so what is the problem, wouldn't England, France Germany do the same...?

for your prophesy to be occured. You could not give any time table. Don't forget your prophesies all of them are recorded. But I can state that yo'll have to swallow everything you've posted here, like before Operation Cast Lead you were yelling that if Israel dares to attack she would had to pay very dearly. At the end you had swallow them. This time would be also the same. Aby

"It is possible another country masterminded the attack, designing it to look like a clumsy Mossad operation." Katya Adler (BBC News)

Perhaps Mossad did it, perhaps not. But if not, then there is another organisation in the ME capable of bringing off a well-cordinated operation like that. Candidates, anyone?

Your passport would contain your biometrics. If your biometrics does not match then then yo'll be intercepted. Forged passports to create would be very difficult. Aby

...then it was NOT them alone. this hit was NOT possible, without strong support from the victims damascus group, plus the (at least two) palestinians in dubai helping to arrange and identify the victim. we only know of the two guys, but maybe they are just the tip of the iceberg. we were shown a "selection" of cctv. whatever intersting this is (thanks again), but maybe some very embarrassing encounters of the passport-suspects with "other people" were left out, and the "issue" solved "internally", rather then internationally ? will we ever get to know about this ?

"Does it really matter who did it?" - Justin Cohen No is the easy answer. But it would be useful to know who did it, and even more importantly why it was done in a fashion which effectively fingered Israeli's. The Mossad has botched more than a few operations, who in the craft has not? But if it was Mossad then WHY Israeli names were used on false passports becomes VERY important. If it was not Mossad it was a very crafty false flag operation and knowing who did it would be VERY valuable knowledge.

Natalie, as always, calls Israelis arrogant, and that they think everyone else is stupid. She hovers around Israeli publications, where she can hit at Jews from the cloak of anonimity. Never concerned about the assasination of Israelis, which to her mind are always justified, like the killing of the druze soldier last week. Never concerned about the killing by drones of America's enemies daily. Do you suppose Natalie has an animus?

Ok, all Israel haters line up. All Israel can do no wrong types line up across from them. We must decide whether the 'can do no wrong' side will carry the ball claiming that the crafty Mossad successfully whacked a terrorist; or whether the Israel haters will charge with the slogan of 'Israeli murderers.' The defending team will take the other side of course. Now, call it, heads or tails? Flip. And both sides keep flipping. . . Who really cares who did it? It's just an excuse for playing the old game. . .

"until these miscreants are handing over for trial and execution." You don't know they're guilty and you've already executed them. Is this the "Christian" you've become?

Israel has a long history of doing this while everyone just shrugs and says "Those Mossad guys! What cheeky chappies!" So this is going to be an interesting test of world patience, because if the rest of the world has started to lose patience with Israel then this will run until Netanyahu is forced to offer up SOMEONE'S scalp.; maybe even his own. But if the world still has endless patience for the Problem Child of the Family of Nations then this will be (literally) a one-hit wonder i.e. a flurry of speculation before everyone goes back to sleep. Melman thinks it is the latter. Oren thinks it is the former. Time will tell, that's for sure.

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YM: "the Mossad will continue enjoying a reputation of fearless determination and nearly unstoppable capabilities." Am I the only person who reads that but hears the faint echoes of Monty Python "Nobody Expects The Spanish Inquisition"? "Our three weapons are fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Po... DAMN!.. Our FOUR weapons are....."

Does it really matter who did it? It could have been an internal Hamas job, a hit by an Arab state (Jordan/Egypt), a Fatah-PLO assassination or an operation carried out by ANY spy agency. Even if it was the Mossad, what's the big deal? The thug "lived by the sword and thus died by the sword". What really matters is that there is one less Jew-killer on the streets today and for that reason I am handing out the sweets(candies)!

And its a forgery?

Holocaust iconography used because you have lost the argument. What has the gassing of your parents got to do with a mossad hit squad murdering a bloke in Dubai using British, Irish, German and French passports. Which appears to be owned by people who emigrated to Israel many years ago. Obviously you find the violation of a nation's soveriegnty by Israel a bit of a joke. Fair enough I think it will be a laugh to upset Netanyahu and co by getting the UK to veto any further sanctions on Iran until Mossad hands over the murderers of Dubai to the Dubai authorities for processing.

we must be very carefull who gets their hands on a British passport.We might even find out that somebody would use it to blow an airplane out of the sky loaded with inocent men women and children.Not as bad as killing one bad man in Dubai as yet unproven unlike my example.

The author is fooling himself if he thinks this will be swept under the rug. This operation was a COMPLETE FAILURE in that the Mossad has been exposed. The UAE is very unhappy that Israel turned its country into a killing field and won't let this go lightly. Furthermore, Ireland, UK, France, and Germany about the Mossad forging their passports. This isn't the 1980's, committing assassinations and using forged passports isn't tolerated anymore.

And that suspicion will affect each and every citizen who travels anywhere, plus growing mistrust of authority by Israelis themselves. "As such, we can point to a modus operandi in which Israel was forced to use foreign passports for operations involving assassinations of enemy targets. " - YM Forced? Israel is forced only because it refuses to change its policies when it fails. Eliminating one person will not eliminate the arms smuggling trade, arguably never did and certainly won't now. How many people have we eliminated in the attempt to have what the misguided called peace and what the realistic call temporary quiet? Face it. The old ways don't work. It's time to be creative instead of destructive, and to plan for the distant future instead of limiting horizons to tomorrow.

"So to say Israel has nothing to worry about is disenginuous At the very least 6 British passport holders living in Israel at the very least will have to be arrested and deported." You need to read better the news and not to react with your guts. Those 6 British citizens living in Israel have nothing to fear since they are not involved in the operation. As you can read in the article the passports are forged. Do you get it now?

I wish my gassed granparents were around to hear the gnashing of teeth..

they did this for the cameras with all the intrigue and ingenuity of a hollywood blockbuster. they knew aljazeera and the rest would fall all over themselves to play this and discuss it again and again and again. its a p.r. bonanza for the "unidentified" AFR agency. they struck their arabian most wanted in a luxury hotel in an arab country with israeli passports of real israelis. it looks like an episode of mod squad if it wasn't so real and eary.

If killing one guy who is consider enemy will create a thousand more determind enemy, where is the logic in this. When Israel killed one leader in Lebanon, it touch on the nerve of a nation and you ended up with hezbollah new leader that unified most of hundred different faction and defeated israel in two wars. Why Israeli cannot understand that these kind of killing does not work. Israel must be building bridges not nocking them down. How can any Gulf state cooperate at this point after you killed part of there businuess market. It is simply wrong and stupid

Everyone knows that the earth is flat, so get used to it. "Everyone knows Mossad were responsible. It`s just a matter of time before the evidence turns up."

Israel really gets off on playing a Billy the Kid role, swaggering round the M-E murdering opponents. Look how tough we are, says Billy, look how invincible we are, the audience howls in delight. Neither are true and these things do come back to haunt you. If you assassinate an enemy's leaders, they naturally respond in kind. The IRA alleged that the UK had a shoot-to-kill policy, then suddenly we were dragging PM Thatcher out of the rubble of the Grand Hotel bombing in Brighton. That is one reason states do not go in for extra-judicial killing of political opponents. Another is that it is physically impossible to provide close security for all the possible state targets of reprisal attacks, so do not provoke them. It is neither a very tough nor clever policy. Billy was not so tough really and Mossad is nothing special. When Hamas carries out the inevitable reprisal killing, the Major General will need to explain why his merry men provoked it and what Israel gained specifically.

There will be 5 British/Israeli Jews subject to arrest warrants if they leave Israel. Along with a German and possibly a Frenchman. Already Libya has banned the issuing of visas to European passport holders. If other states follow Israel will not be sitting there with a smug face. Europe will have no choice but to sever all ties with Israel to preserve the much more lucrative markets of the middle east. At the very least, the UK should veto anymore sanctions against Iran until these miscreants are handing over for trial and execution.

Five British passport holders living in Israel have arrests warrants against them. They will have to answer those arrest warants and be deported to Dubai to answer the charges. So to say Israel has nothing to worry about is disenginuous At the very least 6 British passport holders living in Israel at the very least will have to be arrested and deported.

Very good point ! The assassination of Ze'evi (who by the way was one big racist) by a palestinian commando was punished by Sharon at the time. How many palestinians got killed in retaliation ?

....with double citizenship, in the same way as Israeli governements keep on endangering the security of Diaspora Jews around the world through their policies towards the Palesti- nians...??? In both cases, I would not be very amused, if I happened to be either Israeli with double citizenship or Jew living in the Diaspora.... Not amused at all.

Because forged passports had their names on them? Never heard of identity theft?

Try blame shifting the almost daily death toll of Shia/Sunni violence. The killing of Christians in Moslem countries "Episcopalian". The killings in Thailand ? etc etc etc.

Kudos to Melman for clarifying that Moussad and Israel will more than likely come out of this unscathed. Especially being the complete and utter incompetance of Dubai: naming 17 operatives as suspects??? This is NOT Moussad. Even for an important Hamas operative. Plus, the photos furbished by Dubai do not match Israeli operatives by a long-shot. Indeed, Hamas has MANY enemies that would LOVE to see it tank...most of them are arab/muslim countries. This appears to be an inside job or a severe collaboration under the table with more than a few nations involved. At least Mr. Melman sees more of the picture than the simplton finger-pointers. They'll never catch these people or if they do; they'll be patsies.

This guy had it coming to him, BIG TIME. His actions perpetuate the murder of Israeli civilians. It is the obligation of Israel to hunt down such "people" globally. What's the big hue and cry for this guy ?? Just think how many innocent lives would still be here had Meshaal been eliminated years ago. Innocents cannot be murdered, THIS guy was messing with Israel, and was hardly innocent. Besides, don't the Pals embrace and celebrate murder and death. The man got his wish, 72 virgins.

Why clone the passports of British Israelis rather than plain vanilla Brits? - which it surely would be well within the capacity of Israel to do. And was the choice of Britain intended as a 'V' sign to Britain, some aspects of whose policy of which have annoyed certain circles in Israel?

Why don't you do one of at least two things, or both: Read your "Old" Testament, especially those verses that promise the Jews the land, over and over again, as an everlasting possession...or, withdraw yourself from the issue altogether in light of the history of "main stream" Christianity's role in the great suffering of Jews throughout our history...who are you people to offer any advise or sentiments with regard to our actions?

Israel has shot itself in the foot again. Mossad have just motivated Hamas, Iran Hezbollah etc to carry out future assasinations of Israeli and US leaders.

Need to do it better next guys, this is just sloppy

Guys. The future is going to be full of bloody wars and there's going to be one war after another. There's only one thing that all of us have to consider though. Cost. Cost in lives. Cost in property. Cost in everything. Wars are going to cost a lot. I was studying something today about how Germany was able to decieve the German People as to what the true cost of the war was. There was a great deal of deception going on in WWII. All governments did it and they do it all the time. I want to say I'm not a sissy. I guess the only thing that's not a sissy about me is that I'm writing this. Let's just hope that the people on our side know what they are doing. Remember my motto. "The World shall not end as long as I am in it! Yosemite!"

for their arrest.And when are you going to convince Britain to revoke the arrest warrants against the IDF officers for war crimes??

This is scary. Any of us with dual citizenship and a foreign passport could have our identities stolen in this way. Hamas could wrongly come after these people. If the Mossad did this, they should think again before using the names of real people in their operations.

Yossi Melman doesn't give much detail about the tragedy in Norway he talks of: a completely innocent man was killed because the Mossad agents didn't know who they were targeting. It then took 23 years for the Israeli government to compensate the man's relatives. No clarification nor an apology was ever given. Killing innocent people on another country's soil. The trappings of a government or of a terrorist organization?

Everyone knows Mossad were responsible. It's just a matter of time before the evidence turns up. One wonders what the reaction from Israel and the West would be if Hamas or Hezbollah were to assassinate, say, Gabi Ashkenazi or Ehud Barak.

An overdone operation with the same arrogant belief in their own cleverness and in the natural stupidity of the host nation security. This is why some of the most colossal blunders in the history of intelligence services have been performed by the Mossad. Dubai is on the right track in assigning blame. Everybody can already see that it is a Mossad operation, but Dubai is getting there step by step, which is appropriate.

so are you saying that Mossad is the only intelligence agency that uses forged passports?

And that dramatic evidence is the existence of 5 British nationals who answer to the names on those passports. And all 5 happen to be living in Israel!!! Meir Dagan has just become an international fugitive. In addition to Tzipi Livni, I guess he too won't be visiting London anytime soon!

Israel is not a threatened country unable to defend itself. It has spent all of its political capital in the last few years. It's bankrupt and even though there wont be proof there will be ramifications...even if they are not obvious

and nearly unstoppable capabilities." So, does Yossi proudly states about killing Israeli squads. Way to go, Yossi.

left such a big footprint or used such a large entourage to assasinate one man. Moreover, Mabhouh was using a fake passport and it would have been difficult for the Mossad to follow his footsteps and synchronize the assasination with his travel. But Hamas knew his whereabouts and plans at all times, and so did the Iranians and presumably the Syrians.

If the assassins were Arab then it would be standard procedure to issue them passports with Israeli names on them, thereby implicating Israel. So the names in themselves only raise further questions. Either the Arabs/Persians/Russians did it and made it look like the work of Israel or Mossad has suddenly become incompetent beyond belief.

Depressing.

"Forged passports will be impossible to use, as it is impossible to forge fingerprints or irises." Can someone explain this to me? Unless other countries can access the database of biometric information gathered by the country issuing a passport, what is to stop someone getting away with traveling on a forged passport -- that is, one incorporating the biometric information of the traveler rather than of the person named on the passport?

In 1997, Mossad agents were arrested in Jordan following the failed attempt on the life of Hamas politburo leader Khaled Meshal. They were carrying Canadian passports. Ottawa demanded clarifications from Israel and received promises that Canadian passports would not be used in future operations. So why did Canada give blank passports to isrl just recently? the canadian Gov't is just as corrupt as isrls. heads need to roll and then we need to make sure isrl suffers, and since isrl likes to give collective punishments, the same should be done to all of isrl. whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

'As such, unless dramatic evidence is found to definitively prove an Israeli connection, it is likely that the State of Israel will emerge from this affair unblemished and the Mossad will continue enjoying a reputation of fearless determination and nearly unstoppable capabilities. ' Either (1) the killing will be attributed to the Mossad, in which case Israel's reputation most certainly will be blemished, or (2) it won't be, in which case it can hardly enhance the Mossad's reputation. You can't have it both ways.

There is the minor detail of what the rest of the world thinks of you. But hey. All that land. All those natural resources. Autarchy's a real option. Or maybe you can ask your neighbors for help. You took care to make good friends with them, didn't you?