Israel accuses Turkish PM of inciting anti-Semitism
Foreign Ministry report: Turkish PM is anti-Israel, humiliation of envoy sent Ankara a clear message.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Turkey Israel newsDeputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon's humiliation of the Turkish ambassador earlier this month seriously offended Turkey, but also made it clear to Ankara that it had crossed red lines in its relationship with Israel, according to a report on Israel-Turkey relations prepared by the Foreign Ministry.
The seven-page report, which was submitted to the "septet" of key cabinet ministers a few days ago, also charged that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan "indirectly incites and encourages" anti-Semitism.
The report was written by the Center for Political Research, which performs the ministry's in-house intelligence analysis, and has already been distributed to Israeli embassies and consulates abroad. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Ayalon, both of Yisrael Beiteinu, are the leaders of the government's aggressive anti-Turkey faction, while Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Industry Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, both of Labor, head the conciliatory, pro-Turkey faction.
Regarding Ayalon's humiliation of the ambassador, the report said that while this seriously offended the Turks for many years to come, "at the same time, the manner in which senior Turkish officials, including Erdogan, ended the crisis may indicate that Turkey recognizes that it entered the red-line zone and [reached] the outer limits of the Israeli government's patience, and that this was liable to lead to it losing Israel, which would damage Turkey's international legitimacy."
But most of the report focuses on Erdogan, which it considers the main source of the current friction. "In our estimate, ever since his party took power, Erdogan has conducted an ongoing process of ... fashioning a negative view of Israel in Turkish public opinion," via endless talk of Palestinian suffering, repeatedly accusing Israel of war crimes and even "anti-Semitic expressions and incitement," it read.
Though in international forums Erdogan always stresses that anti-Semitism is "a crime against humanity," the report continued, in reality, he "indirectly incites and encourages" anti-Semitism in Turkey. "For Erdogan and some of those around him," it explained, "there is no distinction between 'Israeli' and 'Jewish,' and therefore, [their] anti-Israel fervor and criticism become anti-Jewish."
One result, the report said, is articles in the Turkish press questioning whether Turkish Jews are loyal to their country - something that could endanger Turkey's Jewish community.
In some cases, it added, Erdogan simply does not understand the anti-Semitic nature of his remarks - such as "Jews are good with money," which "he sees as a compliment."
Another way in which Erdogan encourages anti-Semitism is the backing he has given to radical Islamist newspapers, the report said. As an example, it cited the paper Vakit - which was originally also published in Germany, but was shut down there due to its anti-Semitic content. Vakit journalists, the report noted, are often invited to accompany Erdogan in his presidential plane on state visits overseas, and Turkish President Abdullah Gul called Vakit "the first paper he reads every morning."
Erdogan also "grants legitimacy" or "turns a blind eye" to anti-Israeli television programs "of an inflammatory, anti-Semitic nature," such as "Valley of the Wolves" - the series that prompted Ayalon's rebuke of the ambassador. The claim that this is just freedom of the press at work, the report said, is belied not only by the fact that such programs are approved by the Turkish censor, but by reports from Turkish journalists who say this freedom has been sharply curtailed in recent months: they say that "editorial policy is dictated by government bodies, journalists' phones and offices have been wiretapped, pressure has been applied to owners of mainstream media outlets, and there is tight supervision of Internet sites."
"For Erdogan, Israel-bashing is a way of bolstering his status with Islamic and Middle Eastern states, which Turkey would like to lead, and against the Turkish opposition, as well as with his own party's target audience and nationalist elements of the Turkish public," the report argued. Moreover, its cost is low.
The report rejected the Turkish claim that Erdogan is merely responding to Turkish public opinion, saying that in reality, Turkey's government is leading public opinion, not following it.
"Turkey today, under the leadership of the AKP [Erdogan's party], is different from the Turkey with which Israel forged a strategic relationship in the early 1990s," it concluded gloomily.
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Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in Riyadh last week. |
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"Not sure why Israel singles out Turkey as a scapegoat" Because they are in shock. They believe that we have a secret agenda for critizing them constantly. Because they have always had a secret agenda, they think that everybody else has, too. Well, we just don't.
The Hiroglyphs in the Pyrimids of Egypt show that pharoahs were constantly sending armies to Gaza to put down rebellions there. Is it any wonder that there is still trouble with those people? Acts of war including rockets being fired into neighboring areas are not being quelled by their own authorities. Therefore the people through their elected government are complicit with the behavior. Bad things happen during military activities. Do you think that the British meant to blow up a children's hospital in Denmark when it missed the Gestapo Headquarters? Truth be said. Lets be proportionate here... The Germans were firing bombs at British Cities like the Thugs in Gaza. The Response: The entire city of Dresden was Leveled. Between 13-15 Feb 1945, 3900 tons of bombs and incendiary devices firestormed the city destroying 15 Sq miles of the city center. The pop. in 1939 was 642,000. Between 25 and 60,000 were killed. What did US do to Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor?
Please let us know when Israel is no longer there. We await your every false hope w/ anticiaption. Truth be told, you'll still be wrong and Israel will still beat her enemies asses into submission.
you can't criticize Israel w/o also criticizing her enemies. Jews are not interested in hearing of 'human right's' from a bloody handed Turkey who murdered Armenians and Kurds w/ such dispatch and heartless cruelty. If Turkey votes for a non anti semite, please let us know. That would be revolutionary. It wont happen Turkey follows & supports terror like a duck. A dumb, headless duck.
she's joined forces w/ the devil and will suffer untold loses by her hatred of Jews and Israel. A true shame, Turkey will go down for lack of brains and courage to separate herself from terrorists.
Mehmet. you are simply the rest of the dictatorship supporters... You will be cleaned up in Turkey simply... You say your comment because simply you hate Erdogan... And your wish is to continue to the army dictatorship in Turkey which is lasting after the first phase of founding of Turkish Republic started 1938... Everything will be good in Turkey and we will be more free, cleared from army interventions... There will be no provocations against minorities which happened 1955, no killings of jurnolists etc.. We still remember the barbaric killings of Hrant Dink. Now Turkey is continuing his way on the democracy which we never had. Erdogan is not antisemitist, just he doesnt like Israely Government:)
Is this actually possible? Even if you are of Jewish decent, you will be labeled as Anti-Semitic by your own kind... Simply because you have the courage to speak out. Time to look in the mirror...
And this is not because of Gaza or anything. They hate jews and israel by default. I am also 100% against Israel's conduct in Gaza but this does not make me an antisemite, you are free to call me so if you so wish anyway. This is 100% sure. Erdogan and Gul have a clear agenda in their minds to lead Turkey to islamic radicalism. Along the way they also want to create their own oligarchy which they already started.
thanks for trying to save us... Some people just don't know when to stop... and keep repeating same mistakes since 1948.
In the end, "the truth" is decided by the many - according to convenience. On an international level, the Jew today is told by the world: "if you feel humiliated or violated, just shut up". "Don't defend yourself too well - just don't defend yourself. It is unjust because you're too good at it. Not enough of you are dying.". And like insane (as according to Einstein), Jewish leaders want to deny that nothing has changed. They keep playing the same idiotic tune, complaining to those that hate them. "Yes, you hate me!" As if the hater will admit his bias; as if their "good friends" in other countries will lift a finger to help. As the prophet said "in the time of the Messiah there will be no king and no leader". Shame on us for our stupidity!
Here we go again. The smartasss criticism of the word. We Jews did not invent it. It was coined by notorious German Jew hater Wilhelm Marr in 1897. It should rightly be called Jew Hatred. But don't blame us. Rather blame your fellow antisemites for a stupid attempt to cover up the true meaning of your despicable philosophy. Satisfied? (Till the next genius pulls this hoary old chestnut out of the flickering fire once again. Some never learn).
Why did Hitler want Germans to think the whole world was their enemy? Because that was an essential part of how he manipulated them.
Benjamin Netanyahu.
T: "Used to be an Anti-semite was someone that hated jews but now it is also someone that jews hate" Maybe we should accuse Lieberman of being an "anti-semantic".
'Jon, you are quite right. And this Haaretz talkback board is now overflowing with people who simply want to bash Israel at every turn, and scream that they`re not anti-semitic even though everything they say just drips with their glee at finding a way to spew out hatred at the Jews (though the cover of hating Israel)...' Taking myself, how then would you explain the fact that I never express any anti-semitic feelings in any other context? I assure you it's not because I'm hiding anything. If anything, I'm infamous for expressing all my feelings -- many of which are quite politically incorrect. The fact of the matter is that you have it backwards. Whatever extent to which I have become anti-semitic is due entirely to the fact that I do associate Jews with Israel's actions. Given Israel's loudly proclaimed status as THE Jewish state, that's certainly understandable, if not entirely justified.
This Haaretz site provides perhaps unprecedented opportunities from a major, mainstream newspaper in any nation to criticize the policies of that nation to your heart's content 24/7. Instead of recognizing the scope of this opportunity, some have to insist, with the usual complete absence of any empirical evidence, that the site is characterized by some tremendous restraint on criticism of Israeli policies because of accusations of antisemitism for voicing them. My personal favorite though was the poster here who called Morris Valentine a "lying Jew" and then complained in a subsequent post you just can't criticize Israel without being called an antisemite.
It is true. Prome Minister Erdogan tries to provoke Turkish people against israel. Turkey has always been a friend of Israel till Erdogan became PM. Erdogan needs to remember that Turks are NOT Arabs. Palestenian Arabs back stabbed Ottoman Empire, How can he forget it? Turks never had any problems with the Jews in history. actually Turkey's problem is NOT Israel but Erdogan and his Radical islam agenda!
Although I am impressed with your research, be that as it may the word "antisemitic" or "anti-Semitic" was invented to replace Jew hatred. The history books are clear on this point. Again were not talking about the word "Semite" which you have correctly presented. So I would disagree with "usually". I've never heard of anyone using this word any other way. With one exception, sarcastic anti-Israel writers (Not you) and true antisemitic (again I'm not saying you) people trying to make some pointless argument. Wait that's two exceptions.
The word anti-Semitism was coined in 1881 by one Wilhem Marr - long before the Nazis came on the scene.
The word anit-Semitism was coined in 1881 by one Wilhelm Marr - long before the Nazis came on the scene.
It has not been expanded to include anti-Israel or anti-Zionist - criticism of Israel is as legit as criticsm of any other country as long as all countries are held to the same standards (which we know they are not). However anti-Zionism and anti-Israel has become a form of anti-Semitism (with Israel replacing Jews) and Israel wrongly and unfairly blamed for and accused of the type of woes that in the past were blamed on the JEws (causing all your problems, the worst country in the world, blood libels, responsible for the rise of Hizbollah, for anti-western sentiments in the Arab world, etc. etc. And usually by those who would quite happily put all the onus for all their problems on the Jews anyway. And that, John, is anti-Semitism.
Used to be an Anti-semite was someone that hated jews but now it is also someone that jews hate
I thought diplomacy was supposed to characterized by art and tact. This Israeli government has the lamest most unprofessional bunch of hacks running its foreign policy that I can ever remember reading about in print. Jews used to be known for their brains but the Netanyahu government is turning that on its head. Isn't anyone embarrassed over there.
...you are wrong. Most people are called anti-Semites on this type of site because it is a cheap way to try and deflect justified criticism of Israel or Zionism. In football it is called taking the man instead of the ball. That there are real racists contributing to this site I have no doubt.
Dear ChanahS, I dont know with what logic you reach this question.... There is no loyalty between being muslim or christian or jewish... And for what being loyal? I was responding Cengiz about his statement that, he claims Turkey is not a muslim country... Turkey may be a secular state, but a muslim country in its nature and of course welcoming (or has to welcome) all other relegions or even agonistics or atheists... There is no discussion about tolerance or equality.And there is no relation between loyalty and my words:) . I even dont care about nationalism... I want to live with my all naighbours including Israel and Syria or any other one hand in hand... I know I am saying soooo supernatural things, but I feel so... Reaching this target or let say DREAM, There will be no hurting any more and no discussion of our well-being. In the other hand, muslim, christian, jewish and all other TURKS, in Turkey,can be loyal to the value of LIVING TOGETHER... And I recognise no other LOYALTY
Would that make me anti-Black?
"The word is and has always been used to express one idea " Jew Hatred". Maybe,but now you have expanded the definition to include anti-israel or anti-zionist. So the watered down term means nothing anymore. By the way, the word was coined by the early nazis. Why do you embrace it so much? Oh I forgot, your persecution complex.
""""The Talmud say: it is a halakha that Esaw (i.e. the goyim) hates Yaacov (i.e. ISrael)"""" Seems the Talmud is a bit befuddled. And certainly this halacha. Since Esav is Yaakov's "seed" - how can he represent the "goyim"? Especially since Esav's mother was also certifyable Jewish ? Can you explain this meshuggas ? Chumash scholar
Yes analysis are correct.As seen on TV.Many members of cabinet and bureaucracy likes Arabs..
"...also charged that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan "indirectly incites and encourages" anti-Semitism...." Very inventive - since the usual mere "antisemitism " charge has lost its luster as an argument, the new version now is "indirect anti-semitism" - whatever that means ! :) Amused
The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites. It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45). In his "Gesch. der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term.[1]" and The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite. The term "anti-Semitic" (or "anti-Semite") usually refers to Jews only. "usually" not exclusively
Pablo: "anybody who doesn`t toy[sic] Israel@s line 100% is anti-semitic." No not anybody who doesn't tow the Israeli line. Only those who clearly are bias. Attacking Israel for an alleged crime while ignoring the same action by its enemies. Comparing a defensive action by Israel to an aggressive one. There are subtle and not so subtle clues as to the motivation of the anti-Israel writer. Israel, as can be seen here on these boards allows a free press and open debate of Israel and its policies. While there is no comparable openness tolerated by any of its neighbors. The idea you discount "100%" of anything written by Israel about antisemitism as worthless is "antisemitic". Since you lay no foundation (proof) of why you or anyone else should feel that way. Apparently your argument is if it is written by Jews it can't be trusted, without saying why? You illustrate the classic antisemitism, thanks!
Here let me help you: http://anthropologist.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/origin-of-the-word-antisemitism/ and Here: http://anthropologist.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/origin-of-the-word-antisemitism/ The word is and has been always used to express one idea "Jew Hatred".
There's no denying that Jew-hatred is on the rise in the world which is somewhat unfair since the guilty party is Israel and not world Jewry; my comment was about the over-use of the word for any and all criticisms of Israel. It's a defensive-reflexive reaction that Israel throws out the "antisemitic" word to make everyone feel guilty even those that had nothing to do with the criticism of Israel. I'm saying Jews would get more attention to their plight by using the simple word "Jew-hatred" but neither of the 2 words should be used to counter criticisms of Israel as is being done with the Erdogan. Unless of course you also feel that any criticism of Israel is an automatic criticism of all of the world's Jews, which is absurd.
FM Report: Have you just awakened? Since the first day of the last Turkish election, Erdogan has been very busy and pushing for "peace" with Syria. The results: a premeditated disaster for Israel. Thank G-d Israel did not fall for it.
Jon, you are quite right. And this Haaretz talkback board is now overflowing with people who simply want to bash Israel at every turn, and scream that they're not anti-semitic even though everything they say just drips with their glee at finding a way to spew out hatred at the Jews (though the cover of hating Israel). This Haaretz board is becoming more and more just a place for anti-semites to rant, unfortunately. Haaretz should shut it down already. It's useless. Just a way for anti-semites to get themselves heard.
AKP-sponsored pro-Palestinian billboard ads, collection booths on Istanbul's main shopping street, vast anti-Israel demonstrations, public attacks in Davos...... I can go on but Erdoğan and his AKP followers are the root cause of this rift. He has managed to unsettle Turkish Jews, create distrust with Israel and for what? So he can go on an ego trip to the Arab states allegedly talking peace? That man has caused massive splits in his own country, making the secular community worried. He bullies the press (Doğan) and is now trying to shore up his own core support using anti-Israeli rhetoric. Erdoğan is the problem, AKP is the problem and the sooner they leave the political stage the better for Turkey and the entire region.
Simply stated ,,, if the shoes fits ...
Antisemitism existed long because Israel became a soveireign state. The real truth is that we Jews can smell the stench of anti-Semitism from miles away - something that you obviously can't do - or else you try to paint it with other colors. You can't - still reeks the same vile stench.
I took the trouble to copy the appropriate paragraph from the article and showed that i agree with it. All you can say is hypocrit and old bean. That tells all about you, and since Haaretz allowed you to say that in writing, then they should allow me to say you are nothing but a pompous arse. Stick to the arguments ! Tell me and the article writer are wrong and WHY instead of taking these grand patronising airs of yours.
Any report produced by Israeli institutions regarding anti-semitism is not worth the paper is written on. For Israel, anybody who doesn't toy Israel@s line 100% is anti-semitic. Stop playing at being the victims. You are no longer victims, but perpetrators.
what's wrong? you don't like being called exactly what you are? if you believe it, why hide from it all the time? say it outright...go for it..you hate jews....say it you pukes! it's so classic how all of you write here in support of turkey BECAUSE they are anti israel..abnd yes, many times, the new veil for anti semitism is anti israel...that's just a fact you putzes...martin luther king said it over 40 yrs ago..."anti zionism is really just a cover for anti semitism" ...he knew it and was 100% correct. I am still waiting for ONE person to tell me why israel does not have a right to defend itself. Turkey moves towards iran and syria, and away from true freedom and ideals like wonder boy obama has espoused and you support turkey? why? ONLY because you hate israel...go fuck yourselves..israel is legitimate, merciful and will ALWAYS be here.
Day by day is more and more obvious that Israel have t walk alone in this area without friends.The Islamofasists have took Turkey.
"when the Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon humiliates the Turkish ambassador in front of the Israeli television" kind of like when Turkish television depicts Israeli Soldiers as blood libel on their tv right Matthias...
Cengiz, you dont represent Turks... You may not be a muslim but Turks are...
Beware of Erdogan, Zionist worldwide. For he has the backing of nearly all the non zionist in the world. This is not the regular Muslim Jew Holy War. The whole of Europe Americas (Nonzionist) Asians Afrika and Australia has not mentioned any remark about Erdogan. They communicate without communicating, backing Erdogans statement which they cannot mention...
Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Zionism was conceived as a solution to anti Semitism but, as history has shown, it only makes anti-Semitism worse, if not inevitable. Israel either has to give up Zionism or it has to live with anti-Zionism. It can't have it both ways. Nor can it expect the world to embrace Zionism, except in the case of the so-called Christian Zionists, who want to get all the Jews in one place in anticipation of the Apocalypse.
Is this Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's bid for the leadership of or part of the Islamic world?
Pls tell the both politicians that turkish and israeli public DON'T WANT to insult each other. First of all,Turkey was NOT a muslim country. Atatürk's Turkey was a country (which included mostly muslim people) behaved equally to every citizen. Turkey has been still on this base. Erdogan and his party can't change this. THEY ARE LOSING THE PUBLIC'S SUPPORTS,like Netanyahu's government. I believe most of Turks can't be anti-semite because there was a Turkish-Jewish state in history (called Khazar Empire). There have been always lots of anti-semite Tv series(like today).But it cant change my opinions towards israelis or arabs. NOONE CAN JUGDE SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF ITS NATIONALITY!! With Love...Cengiz.
Pls tell the both politicians that turkish and israeli public DON'T WANT to insult each other. First of all,Turkey was NOT a muslim country. Atatürk's Turkey was a country (which included mostly muslim people) behaved equally to every citizen. Turkey has been still on this base. Erdogan and his party can't change this. THEY ARE LOSING THE PUBLIC'S SUPPORTS,like Netanyahu's government. I believe most of Turks can't be anti-semite because there was a Turkish-Jewish state in history (called Khazar Empire). There have been always lots of anti-semite Tv series(like today).But it cant change my opinions towards israelis or arabs. NOONE CAN JUGDE SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF ITS NATIONALITY!! With Love...Cengiz.
How Dare the Israeli government take offense to Turkey's ongoing diatribe. We should know our place and properly kow-tow to our betters. After all who do we think we are? The Sudanese? Are we Egyptians that we should feel offended when we are treated like dirt. After all, when even more modest slights were perceived by Egypt, they pounded the table till honor was restored. But Jews? Ha! Mark Lincoln shows us our place at the table is one of a servent. We better listen, or else. Or not.
The reason? Syria was hosting the leader of the Kurdish guerrilla group (miliitant?) PKK. Turkey demanded that Syria hand over Mr. Ocelan, otherwise, the threat went, we're going to come in there and take him by force. 50,000 troops searching for one wanted terrorist can leave a large mark on a nation. Syria should know as it did the same to its own people when it razed and leveled the city of Hama, killing somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000 of its own citizens. Syria capitulated to Turkey's demands. This is the same Turkey that claims right to critize Israel for defending its own borders against ceaseless rocket attacks.
Two american and two british soldiers set in fire the syn. in Chania-Greece.
Sadly, there are many in the world who look for any and every excuse to dehumanize and delegitimize us. Thankfully, we don't have to cower and hide any more begging for our lives and honor. The whims of Mullah's, Sheiks, Popes and Kings, are no longer mere dictates against our lives.
its relationship with Israel while concurrently sidling up to the leaders of Sudan, the executioners of the 20 year civil war with its south, and ongoing massacre / ethnic cleansing / genocide in Darfur. When you coddle extremist groups like HAMAS and Hizballah, both who have repeatedly declared their desire to exterminate the Jewish state, one would think that there is more going on in the mind of Turkey's leader than mere 'friendly criticism'. Double-standards highlight the hypocrisy in Turkey's anti-Israel stand. We'll leave out for just a moment, Turkey's desire to see its own participation in the Armenian genocide muted, and its own arm twisting on Israel to aid in that demand.
Armenia and Kurds. If Israel or Turkish Jews are seen as supporting either or the PKK, I would imagine Turks will become paranoid. They are the most paranoid people in the world, not surprising knowing their history. Turkish nationalists are perhaps causing Erdogan to backtrack on his peace initiative with Armenia and Kurds. The break with Israel may have to do more with Kurdistan and the PKK. If we went into Iraq and saved the Kurds (who were genocided by Saddam) and now sit on an oil reserve bigger than S.A., does that mean we next take on Iran, with sanctions or whatever. Does Kurdistan mean the one in Iraq, or the one that belongs to Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Certainly, there are Kurdish and Armenian nationalists who want their homeland back. What are we supporting and what is realistic for them to get back. Is Turkey paranoid? In the past, they killed millions of Armenia due to paranoia. Now are they paranoid about Jews and Israel? Is the USA out to free the flow of oil only?
is the one who chose liberman and his band and that inspite of all keeps him in this key position!!!
The truth is that Israel incites "anti-semitism" every day. How? By equating anti-israelism to anti-semitism. Nice going guys! Before long anti-semitism will be meaningless.
is it possible that turkey is led by an increasingly anti semitic goverment? Is it possible that people here like lincoln, linwaithe, durson, colin & swiss dino will never be able to speak truthfully? It's amazing that not one of them can ever be balanced in any way as regards israel..and THAT my friends tells you that yes, these people are anti semites and do find fault with anything israeli or jewish. The fact is, turkey is playing to islamic radicalists sentiments to usurp power from the turkish moderates..and what better way than to blame the jews..the turks own history is bathed in blood..far more than anything the israelis have done DEFENDING themselves. for the last time, CAST LEAD WAS JUSTIFIED AND DESERVED. Gaza was given back. Israel will never roll over for twisted world opinions. Just because the "world" is largely anti jew, does that mean israel should just do what they want? Saying the "world" hates israel does not make the world right...get over it you jew haters..
"Is it wise for Israelis to have a government hell-bent upon alienating the world?" I've said it before: Lieberman is honest and he's showing Israel's true face to the world. Cassandra wasn't popular, either. Israelis demonstrate their wisdom through their treatment of the occupied Palestinians, not by their choice of a foreign minister. Libby is doing an excellent job and may he stay long in office.
The PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL!!! Maybe that should be remembered? Maybe the insulting and anti-semitic/Jewish plays being 'part of the turkish culture invited and encouraged some comment from Isael? Muslims need to put a friendly hane forward for peace to commence.
This article shows in that the report accuses Turkey of being both anti Israel and anti Semitic. The freedom of the press excuse can be used for the anti Israel actions, but it cannot be used for anti Semitism. Anti Israel: "...fashioning a negative view of Israel in Turkish public opinion," via endless talk of Palestinian suffering, repeatedly accusing Israel of war crimes and even "anti-Semitic expressions and incitement" note it says 'negative view of Israel' not 'Jews'. This statement also clearly delineates between accusations against Israel and 'anti Semitic expression and incitement'. Anti Semitism: "articles in the Turkish press questioning whether Turkish Jews are loyal to their country" This is clear anti Semitism. For those saying that it downplays the memory of holocaust victims. These kinds of things are how the holocaust got started.
#88: Antizionism is Antisemitism. Same thing.
As a Palestinian I was hesitating to write what you did, for fear of being censored. But how true your remarks are. 20 years ago, my Israeli colleagues did not beleive what was I telling them about the IDF mistreatment of Pals, and never understood my warnings of the coming future and the unwarranted love for the Israelis in the world. I was right I guess.
Especially when it comes to U.S. politicians and poor, innocent Swiss posters on Haaretz Talkback...:)
Erdogan is a Islamicist in a suit. Nothing more. His time will come. Hopefully the people of Turkey will stop voting for islamofascists like Erdogan. Even Robert Fisk & CHrisotopher Hithens agree about the repressive, conformist & censorial nature of the Erdoigan Goverment.
Any statement that says what you say from the Israeli govt.will do.
What does the situation in Lebanon have to do with Israel's overuse of a word? I'll discuss the history of the Jews and Christians of Lebanon when it comes up but today, this is about Israel's running of a word into the ground. In the long run, maybe this will be a good thing and Jews would go back to calling hate for Jews by its more simple term of "Jew-hating" to bring back its much needed and important value and effect. The other word being currently used is for show business and Jew-haters should be called by the proper term of "Jew-haters" to put the vile practice under the spotlight. I was criticizing the misuse of the word. It's a fact that Jew-hating is on the rise and it should be called by that name.
One other stick Israel keeps beeting its own chest with is its treat of not selling arms and drones to Turkey... as if there is a shortage of those who would sell them within NATO! In fact, the Turks know that they support the Israeli arms industry buy buying from it and they started to TREAT to stop buying from them in the future 'as it never keeps its promises'... I believe Israel is loosing its time and nearing its unstoppable end unless it makes a full and just peace with its neighbours and partners in the region. Otherwise, if in the future there will be a one state solution to the 'israeli problem' on its present territory, it might just be a Palestinian one.... (End)
The only weapons in Israel's arsenal against Turkey is its 'blackmail' of supporting the recognition of the so called 'armenian genocide' who is warmed and pushed on the table by only one major journalist, Mr.Robert Fisk, whose wife is a Lebanese armenian. Even our own British past & more so our records of the events of the time belies this armenian claim and the Turkish public seems to be tired of it been used as a blackmail. Those I speak to are looking forward for it to be universally recognised. Than, we will see again an other 'Turkish humiliation of the world opinion' as its importance is no way comparable to the memories of some betraying -there is a ressemlance here with the German Jewish past... -armenians exiled and some died in the process. The total number of Armenians living in the whole of the Ottoman State was less than those Germans killed in Dresden in one night!
Is it wise for Israelis to have a government hell-bent upon alienating the world?
I am glad you mention that? because the answer we got from your goverment was we did, we stop, we never done that outrage, but nothing truly answer the question like they dont answer anything that the world see Israel doing wrong. Corruption is very alive there or i can say the little iran state with bibi in charge. Get used to it will be more people hate coming your way.
"Turkey today, under the leadership of the AKP [Erdogan's party], is different from the Turkey with which Israel forged a strategic relationship in the early 1990s," it concluded gloomily." Report of Lieberman. Translating: the idea is obviously that under present radicalized Likud government Israel is exactly the same as it was in the early 1990's when the strategic relationship was formed. Apparently it was M. Feiglin who started the Oslo agreements and Netanyahu sponsored the Geneva Initiative. Honestly, what other idiocy the present govt didn't commit to isolate itself from the outside world? Sending the ultimatum to Micronesia for being indifferent to the Holocaust during the WWII?
Your Foreign Ministry has lost the plot, and Big Time. This is crazy stuff; the product of a delusional mind.
Israel apologized yes but under pressure and no country should have done something like the spoil brat Israel done to an other country!!Israel think they are on top of the world and nothing can touch them.... hummm time will tell
there where turn down by nato! so why not look at something else? Israel will be doing the same Turkey is a free country and can do what it wish! not what Israel wish is!
"...Turkey recognizes that it entered the red-line zone and [reached] the outer limits of the Israeli government's patience, and that this was liable to lead to it losing Israel, which would damage Turkey's international legitimacy." Now that is news - that Turkey (or any other country for that matter) earns legitimacy from association w/Israel - it seems that nobody in the foreign ministry is reading the foreign news.
now let see what i see here is more antiIsrael... are we all antisemetic or anti bib goverment? I go with the last one... Bibi is detroy Israel!! people in Israel wake up before is too late!! :)
An anti-semite is not someone who hates Jews. A anti-semite is someone Jews hate.
Lieberman and his cronies in the Israeli foreign office are quick to accuse others of anti-Semitism, while at the same spouting their anti-Muslim drivel loud and clear. Does anyone wonder why anti-Semitism is on the rise?
In order to show the tukish government how serious we are, our vice foreign minister may for example type our foreign relations mail with the turkish government on toilet paper. This will certainly convince them that we are not happy with their pro palestinian policy. It will be very diplomatic.
The European Crusades had collapsed and their last remnant,the Kingdom of Jerusalem was taken over some centuries ago. ince that time till the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, no effective force could enter the M.East (was called Near East until Israel was implented there!) and stay there.The last vawe started with the start of the I.WW and ended a couple of decades after the end of the II.WW; then the "new kid in the block" thought it could take over where the 'old Europe had packed up and run'...Israel is a bastion of this policy and was used and abused by its master since its inception.It has been a forward "asset" but it seems it has now reached its "use by date"... and been slowly "written off".Please those who candidly claim "Mr.Erdogan the islamist is taking Turkey towards Iran,Syria,...the Muslim World" answer this question:if NATO & more so the Americans did not encourage it,not even WOULD but COULD Turkey move to that direction under ANY government and by its own volution?
pro Islamist,you sure they represent the whole country in that
Israel, as a state, begins widely using this acuse of being anti-semitist. I would like to make a very clear comment without any prejeduce that if this blame of "being anti-semitist" is being used in every ocation, it will loose its meaning and real crimes of anti-semitism will be distorted and devaluated by Israel Governments themselves. Anti-Semitism is a crime, but I advice to use this in real and appropriate place... And I advice Israel Goverment to stop "anti-Turkism" ... Sincerely yours...
If everyone, who criticize Israel as a State, would be blamed as anti-semitist, it will work for anti-semitism itself. Because, there will be no space for criticism. He, Erdogan, has declared that anti-semitism is a "crime for humanity"! He criticise the attack on especialy latest attack on Gazza and other excess use of power. Now Israeli Goverment is pushing anti-Turkism as Turks can get it as how Israil is getting. This may couse/create a vicious circle of blaming and than we all may loose the reality. Turkey as a state is not anti-semitist and I beleive Erdogan is not antisemitist either. Just he doesnt like Israel as a state. Turkey is the second country who recognised Israel as an independent country and Erdogan is its current Prime Minister. We have to distinguish some values and blamings from the reality to avoid the real ones. Exegerations may harm the reality itself and statements beyond the fact will lead the mislead and distort the real crime of anti-semitism.
Hurriyet Daily News (Turkey) 25 January 2010 "The strained diplomatic relationship between Israel and Turkey has not translated into a drop in the number of Israeli tourists coming to Turkish resorts, tourism representatives say."
turkish isn't anti-semitic,turkish is anti-zionist.
In well educated and politically correct cirlces, the distinction will certainly be made. But in reality, when it comes to the big masses, unfortunately it won't, the term "right-wing Israel" then simply becomes a synonym for "the Jews". Exactly in the same way, as the term "Islamic Jihadists" has more and more become a synonym for "the Muslims". The only question is, who is responsible for that trend, is it really the big masses, or rather the liberal and mainstream Jews and Muslims, who fail to stand up against those in their midst, who are giving them a bad name in the world...???
Israel's diplomatic flop here in the face of institutionalized anti-semitism from Turkey is not a huge disaster. Turkey's anti-semitism, their weird TV shows and glib leadership, doesn't have the same momentum that you see in Iran. Sure, Turkey's got NATO, but so does Croatia. If Turkey wants to be as casual about its bigotry as Croatia, it's going to have wait for entry into the EU. It will never function under the same license as Croatia.
Coming from the Isle of Lesbos does not make one a lesbian. Islamophobia is the generalised term for anti Moslem & the Arab world.Coming from Sweden and Europe you may have some comments to make on that subject.
Surely a Semite is a person of the Arab, Hebrew, Cannanite and other related races from the Middle East. Jews and Muslims are not necessarily Semetic as such because these are religions. Anti-Semitism was a phrase to describe European 'Jew Haters' coined in nineteenth century Germany by an anti-Semite. Ironically it seems that most of the people he hated were probably not Semites at all.
This is what it`s all about, as usual, every Moslem country, at some time or other, wishes to lead the whole Moslem world.GA Coming from a Brit---eh old bean.
why don't israelis get bored of talking about always the same things?nearly all of your literature and movies are about nationalism or jewish culture, all of the subjects in your newspapers are same; iran treat, antisemitism,holocaust...i can understand your reasons. but still israeli society is living in a mad mood and very interestingly you got used to it.
A telly programme on an obscure television channel in Turkish is responsible for anti semitism. Obviously Israel doesn't contribute to it by continuing the occupation and it's treatment of the Palestinians. It is all Turkey's fault.
You only mentioned that we "act in a greedy, arrogant and tricky way". You forgot that we also - Rub or wring our hands while we chuckle which causes our hook nose to become even more bent out of shape. Wear black coats that are never washed and hang down to our ankles and cloven feet. Rule the banking world and control the communists Harvest body parts during our activities in underdeveloped countries Cross at the red light
Who needs enemies?
I had no idea about the real situation of life in Israel, before coming 5 years ago, to work. Israel pretends to represent all jews in the world and the jews feel mostly the other way around. So it's easy understandable that p.o. around the world assimilates israelis and their wrong policy with the jews alltogether. Israel can be respected or feared, but not loved. So are jews.
As a citizen of Lebanon how dare you comment.Lebanon was the Jewel of the middle east i said was.Their was a thriving Jewish and Christian community.U Unfortunately Islam took over and there are barely any Jews and a rapidly dwindling christian population. Why because the have been terrorised so much that they are leaving their ancestral home. Who are terrorising them Hezbolah etc. They have outbred the christians and all i can see is doom for poor old Lebanon.
a lesson in semantics SUBSTITUTE KURDS AND CYPRIOTS FOR PALESTINIANS GUS.
85% of Israels population are ashkanazi jews decended from the Khazar Converts without a drop of Semite blood
"'Jews are good with money,' which 'he sees as a compliment'" Erdogan, quoted in Haaretz. "If his Majesty the Sultan were to give us Palestine, we could in return to undertake to regulate the whole finances of Turkey. We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilisation as opposed to barbarism", -Theodor Herzl, Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State), Dover Publications Inc, (unabridged republication of AZEC, NY 1946), p. 96. And by no means should anyone give the unabridged version of Herzl's Diaries. It's dripping with far more radical evaluations of Jewish character, just like those of his comrades from the WZO. Erdogan's sentence, admittedly spelled out in the positive sense, actually pervades entire apologetic literature which tries to interpret the Jewish spirit of entrepreneurship as the key element of the modern capitalism. The whole question is who spells it out. Some get laurels; others get ultimatums from Israel govt.
I donot think you can find untisemitism in turkey in a way you understand from untisemitism. Erdogan is also complaining about the israeli policy over Gaza war. He also sid that Unti-semitism is a crime against humanity.One journalist also asked that Iran president denys the holokost what is his comment about it. he sait he is not thinkinh in the same way as this is a historical truth.
"I have no religion,and at times i wish all religions at the bottom of the sea" He must "rotate"in his grave. Erdogan's Turkey is a long way from Ataturk's dreams,but for Israel's bashers it is a Turkish delight.
Israel's arrogance towards other countries is widening the circle of enemies around them. A silly incident that should have passed on with out making things complicated, has progressed into a political crises that might severe ties with one of Israel's major Islamic friendly countries.Israel should seize Using self pity accusations and stop pointing the Anti Semitic fingers at nations considered Semitic themselves.
Turkey loves the Palestinians which happen to be "Semites" So they are hardley "Anti-Semitic" Perhaps you meant anti- Israel? You should ask yourselves the question; Why should anyone be pro Israel considering Last years war crimes in Cast Lead, or the constant building of illegal settlements, or the Israeli governments refusal to honor even one of the hundreds of UN resolutions, Or their constant over flights into Lebanon.
Hi Dino, I seldom agree with your posts, but this time (maybe unwillingly) you've hit the nail on the head. Anti-Zionism = Antisemitism. I agree 100%. Cheers
the term is so overused & abused now, it's just another glib statement. Rather similar to "have a nice day"
Apropos cleaning houses,what about yours?atleast as dirty to say the least. Who is the one that crys wolf every time a cartoon,film,or artical,doesn't represent Islam,or Muslims as"saints"?."Islamofobia"they cry.Who declares Fataw on people that disagree with them?Who ...........
This morning's Israel Radio reported that Passover holiday reservations to Turkish hotels, popular here for years, are down 58% over last year. Israeli tourism is a bigsource of foreign currency for Turkey. This has nothing to do with the world economic crisis. Instead, Israelis are making reservations at Israeli hotels and resorts, which are much more expensive than Turkey.
Using the standard phrase anti-Semitism is so worn out that people don't even know it's meaning. Anti-Semitism cannot be used against Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, and Muslims. Please Get your facts together !
Was to smoothe ruffled feathers and build relationships. Silly me.
How is Israel losing it's legitimacy? By fighting back when missiles rain down on her cities? By refusing to stand by while her soldiers are kidnapped and murdered by terrorists or by building a wall to keep out murderous suicide bombers? Tell me how? What would you do Colin if someone was trying to break into yor house and kill your family? Israel gave them Gaza, here you go Palestinians, build yor country, show the world. But instead they vote in a government bent on Israel's destruction and started arming themselves and launching missiles. It's completely illogical comments like yours Colin that make Jews feel the anti-semitism! Who else is judged by those standards. Perhaps the US should build homes and provide aid to the Taliban. Is that what you're advocating Colin?
Turkey is building an anti-Israel alliance with Iran, Syria, Hizbullah and Hamas. That's as plain as day. What's really screwy, is the commentors here who can't see that.
The difference between the Jewish religion and most other religions in this world, is that one state (Israel) serves as THE representative of that religion on this planet. I assmue, most Israelis/Diasporas will not dispute that. So if Israel acts in a greedy, arrogant, or tricky way (or is perceived as acting so), it automatically reflects on the Jewish people in general. And in that regard, the political establishment in Israel simply doesn't seem to be aware of its tremendous responsibility at all....
"For Erdogan, Israel-bashing is a way of bolstering his status with Islamic and Middle Eastern states, which Turkey would like to lead, and against the Turkish opposition, as well as with his own party's target audience and nationalist elements of the Turkish public," the report argued. Moreover, its cost is low." This is what it's all about, as usual, every Moslem country, at some time or other, wishes to lead the whole Moslem world. We had Saudia, Egypt in the 50's, Syria, Lybia in the 70's, even Irak in the 80's, now Iran, no sorry now Syria, no no , sorry NOW Erdogan's Turkey. What a pity ! Wouldn't it be nice for both Israel and Turkey to remain friends ? Together they can influence peace a great deal in the M.E.? But , the Ottoman is showing its ugly head at the moment. How long for now ?
Turk does not like injusctice. The prime Minister was right to point out what Israel was doing in Gaza. The Turkish establishement has been friend to Israel for a long time but the moment a decent man Mr. Ordogan made a point that he will not stand silence for the atrocities that committed against the Palestinians, all the sudden he is evil. Israel does not need more enemies. Israel need to try to keep the few friends left in this world. Offcourse Israel is always right! Israel does not make mistakes. The chosen people do not make mistakes. What a joke? Your current PM is nothing but a fool who is buying time for more settlement. History tells us without a doubt that no matter how many settlement you build, if you cannot establish somekind of justice for the Palestinians and the Israeli alike. All your settelement will be destroyed easily. All will collapse and very fast. Changing fact on the gournd will not work forever. Hitler tried to change fact on the ground. Study what happened.
Erdogan is certainly no big Israel supporter that's a fact. But saying he's an anti-semite when he's probably just not a big fan of current Israeli politics is a mistake. The Lieberman/Ayalon treatment made it worse. In fact if they stay in power at the foreign ministery they will cause much more damage than just really cool relations with Turkey. Get them out now.
There is a big differance between the Turkish Jewish community and the Israeli Arab community. Are you saying that the Israeli Arab community is loyal to Israel?
Erdogan is leading that country down the same path of anti-Semitism, xenophobia, extremism and backwardness which will make them indistinguishable from their backward Arab friends. Good luck to them, but Israel should read the handwriting on the wall here--Turkey is going down a black hole, and Israel should leave it far behind.
Israel has cried "Wolf" far too many times with its antisimitic spitballs that it no longer carries any weight and people in addition of not being impressed by it anymore are now becoming annoyed by it. Many non-Israeli Jews are now embarrassed by its overuse.
Right, the Turkish company which made the last film is soo concerned right now about what the Israelis thinks. The reality is that the same company (which is partly owned by german jews (sic!)) is planing to release a full-length motion picture about the brutal conduct of Israeli soldiers during cast lead. And there is nothing the Turkish government can do about. Did you notice the owners of the company ;). All that they care about is the money, not the religion.
"He has made antisemitic remarks and lies constantly." Can you site some SPECIFIC examples?
Lieberman and co seem disappointed that their previous blunder did not succeed in ruining the relations with Turkey, so now they are at it again.
"One result, the report said, is articles in the Turkish press questioning whether Turkish Jews are loyal to their country - something that could endanger Turkey's Jewish community." And how many times a month does Lieberman question the loyalty of Israeli Arabs? Doesn't this also "endanger" Israel's Arab Community? People who live in glass houses ...
Anyone who reads Turkish papers and follows Erdogan's clearly expressed ideas, knows that he is both anti-Israel AND anti-Jew. The question is: you react or you stay silent? It is a strategic decision. The current Israeli administration decided to react. Time will tell..... Have a good day!
Boys? Is this what we have going on here? Another threat? This has got to stop!
"...at the same time, the manner in which senior Turkish officials, including Erdogan, ended the crisis may indicate that Turkey recognizes that it entered the red-line zone and [reached] the outer limits of the Israeli government's patience, and that this was liable to lead to it losing Israel, which would damage Turkey's international legitimacy." Umm...it's not Turkey whose legitimacy is growing increasingly questionable. But go ahead -- keep telling yourselves things like this.
'...made it clear to Ankara that it had crossed red lines in its relationship with Israel...' One could say you've straightened Turkey out. They'll just have to pick: national pride or all the advantages of friendship with Israel. I wonder which way they'll go? You guys are GENIUSES.
There is a famous case, where he even insulted the memory of the "fashist" Ataturk and gave a disputed contract to an Israeli firm, some work at the order to Syria.
Here we are all gathered, not that many bankers unlike previous years, yet many political figures. The talk is mainly Haiti. That word, Israel has come up. Mostly about the dead end in the peace process. Adding wood to the blazing fire, comes talk of divisions in Israels Foreign Policy. Many trust DM Barak. Most like Pres.Peres. All agree that PM Netanyahu is tough. All agree he is the man of the moment. This is my first impression. Good day from snowy Swiss Alps,
For Erdogan and some of those around him," it explained, "there is no distinction between 'Israeli' and 'Jewish,' and therefore, [their] anti-Israel fervor and criticism become anti-Jewish." (from article) ------------------------------------------ Now there is a BIG distinction, jewish (judaism) is a religion just like islam and christianity, you can't say jews are Israelis becouse they are not, there are Turkish jews American jews, heck i can convert and still be a Turkish jew. What i mean is anto-Israeli (agaisnt the government policy) doesnt make you anti-jewish. Thank you for reading. Have a nice day.
the man is not fit to be israel's foreign minister. he was elected? fine. he still shouldn't be allowed to ruin israel's relations. he should be muzzled! israel is better off with him still in moldova.
If Israel has indeed alienated the whole world why did much of Eastern Europe side with us during Cast Lead, against Goldstone, and helped us to defeat the Swedish initiative on Jerusalem?
Which of course he has, he does vehemenantly so and will continue to do so while he is still in power and Israel shows weakness or appeasment.
We have heard this anti-semitism label again and again when Israel is criticized for its actions. Lunatic politicians don't have the ability to solve problems and they resort to invoking sympathy by using these words. World had enough of it. I doubt you will get any sympathy, but you are crating a enemy for yourself.
Erdogan is not destroying anything, he is building a new and democratic Turkey. instead of being enemy with every neighbor he is being friend. and that upsets israel. i dont understand why. is there a law Turkey has to be enemy with the countrys that israel doesnt like. and Turkish people will be the big winners not loosers as some loosers think..
Do Israelis really believe that this modern, diverse world really cares about semitism or not. I have a lot of Israeli friends all over the world, and they have never experienced it. It is so obvious that Israel uses it for getting money from gullible Americans and Europeans. Great PR! It will not last long though, after so many years of false "existential" threats! How does the occupation of the WB and Gaza threaten the 4th(3rd?) military in the world?
The Talmud say: it is a halakha that Esaw (i.e. the goyim) hates Yaacov (i.e. ISrael) A non-Jew will always be antisemitic. But the Galut Jew to often forgoes the Jewish honor. Honor is dear and must e kept. We are not in Galut any more at the mercy of the Goyim. As late Menahem Begin sid it: we are not a Banana republic. And first we must require from the US to release Yonathan Pollard, and we should have long ago severed the relations with the US and with any country that still keeps its ambassy in Tel Aviv or Herzlia instead of Jerusalem!
The best defense is a strong offense and Israel and its constant whining about anti-semites is certainly offensive. Legitimate criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic, but the present administration has lost all point of view on that fact. "I don't like Israeli winters." Whoa, stop the presses an anti-semitic observation of Israel's climate.
... is there a precedent in history where a Foreign Min serves to harm its own country...?
#7: Blaming Jews for causing antisemitism in itself is antisemitism. Erdogan comparing Jews to the Spanish / Portuguese Inquisitors is a lie and antisemitic and saying Jews love money etc.
Netanyahu and Erdogan need to be separated from each other like two kids. I think this is a job for American Congressional Leaders. We've invested a lot in both Israel and Turkey. Obama is not going to be able to solve this right now. He has his hands full at home. So let's send some Congressional Leaders to Turkey and let the United States talk to Turkey in a way Erdogan will understand. Erdogan has made himself unapproachable by the current Israeli Government and likewise. Send two or three American Congressional Leaders to Ankara President Obama. Low level first. Nothing that's important enough to make headlines. People that can't wait to throw gasoline on this are like what Mark Lincoln says. Albeight, on both sides.
like Israel better? "Another way in which Erdogan encourages anti-Semitism is the backing he has given to radical Islamist newspapers, the report said. As an example, it cited the paper Vakit - which was originally also published in Germany, but was shut down there due to its anti-Semitic content. Vakit journalists, the report noted, are often invited to accompany Erdogan in his presidential plane on state visits overseas, and Turkish President Abdullah Gul called Vakit "the first paper he reads every morning."
Start fresh with a new dish.
Erdogan can only drag Turkey so far. The way to ruin Turkeys chances of joining the EU is to continue on the present path. PS Your country does not like Islamists much either.Have you noticed?
no matter what the issue is. israel is always the victim. other peoples,other nations,other leaders are to blame.
As a sister organization to Hamas, what would you expect???
The liberman branch of the current Israeli government continues misrepresent the state of affairs with Turkey, his ministry apolagized twice. However. they would like us to believe that any critisism of Israel is antisemetism, to the contrary it is the actions of the Israeli government that is propomoting anti semetism. There are a lot of Jewish voices that are crirical of Israel's actions but considering the severity and brutality of these actions, I expect more.
The liberman branch of the current Israeli government continues misrepresent the state of affairs with Turkey, his ministry apolagized twice. However. they would like us to believe that any critisism of Israel is antisemetism, to the contrary it is the actions of the Israeli government that is propomoting anti semetism. There are a lot of Jewish voices that are crirical of Israel's actions but considering the severity and brutality of these actions, I expect more.
Let's face it, If Erdogan,Ayalon and Netenyahu weren't around, Middle East would be a very peaceful region.
oh accusations accusations!! didn't Israel just lost all credibility with all her crimes? Man we need some real change and i hope it will come soon.Peace.
"No worries, Turks. Nato got your back. That`s why Israel apoligized TWICE." - American Citizen Then why has the Israeli Government chose to create another crisis? Does Israel want to drive off Turkey? Then why does the Netanyahu government keep trying to turn Turkey from an ally into an enemy? How about the idea that the goal of the Netanyahu government is to alienate ALL of Israel's allies to ensure it's dominance of Israel's politics? There are other explanations for the Netanyahu government's behavior. 1. Netanyahu is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. 2. Netanyahu is determined to destroy Israel. I will go with Occam's Razor. 3. Netanyahu is determined to alienate the world to solidify his position as the Only Man Who Can Save Israel from the crisis he has created. Conclusion: Netanyahu is the greatest danger Israel faces today.
He has made antisemitic remarks and lies constantly.
Does Israel want to sever relations with Turkey? Calling them anti Semites is a good start if that is your goal.
Turkey has tried to varnish over recent events and not the Netanyahu regime seeks to raise tension and animosity again. What insanity! The Foreign Ministry has chosen to stir up more discord between Israel just when Turkey has tried to suppress it. The Netanyahu/Lieberman government of Israel has a clear goal. It clearly intends to alienate every nation in the world to fulfill it's goal of turning the entire world against Israel. Why would ANY government of Israel want to alienate the world? To justify it's appeal to Israelis that in a world dedicated to destroying Israel, ONLY Bibi and Avigdor can save them. Israel has dangerous enemies. But the are not outside Israel.
"...may indicate that Turkey recognizes that it entered the red-line zone and [reached] the outer limits of the Israeli government's patience, and that this was liable to lead to it losing Israel, which would damage Turkey's international legitimacy." Do you just make this stuff up? Turkey's "international legitimacy" is in question but Israel's isn't? And furthermore, a nation's legitimacy is a direct function of how much Israel likes it? Are you under the impression that the US congress represents the whole world? Trust me, it doesn't even represent the United States.
The fashion in which the IDF butchers behaved in Gaza was always likely to incur criticism on a global scale, not just from Turkey and the European bloc - resulting in the Goldstone report. Not sure why Israel singles out Turkey as a scapegoat for the global increase in anti-semitism, when it need not look beyond it's own dubious borders!
Israel apologized, quite properly, because the Minister's protest was delivered completely inappropriately, not because there wasn't good reason to protest. Anti-semitism is one form of racisim and if you simply put it to the side, you legitimize racism. By the way, I'm Jewish and not very good with $.
lol...there is no limit to the insanity and delsion of this pathetic foreign ministry.
For having the courage to expose Ergodan for what he is, in all of his smallness. He is an embarrassment to his people and has disgraced his country with his psychotic hatred of Israel and the Jews of his own country. What a wretched display of pathetic cowardice on his part.
why does NATO have Turkey's back? Does Turkey have NATO's back? Turkey is openly consorting with Iran and Syria. It is actually developing economic cooperation with these countries. It had military exercises with Syria. Could NATO rely on Turkey in the case of confrontation with Iran? I am sure that the answer to this in London and Washington is believed to be 'no'. Would Erdogan allow use of Turkish air bases if the US needed it to bomb Iran? Not willingly. Erdogan is a typical Islamist in the Iranian/Syrian/Hezbollah model, and he is destroying the secular foundations of the Turkish State. The Turks, who participate in the scientific, medical and economic worlds of the West at the highest levels, will slowly slide towards the Syrians and Iranians, and the big losers in all of this will be the Turkish people.
Whatever I read on Haaretz, whatever I read in German and international newspapers since many, many years: Israel is complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining, complaining??.. Any new ideas? No. Just complaints. Nothing else. NOTHING ELSE. What a pity!!
to complete isolation and w/o a freind...follow you fearless fascist to you end
Israel does an outstanding job of it.
Middle eastern politicians of all stripes and from all countries seem dead set on destroying any peace initiatives from anywhere. The fate of the world is at stakea, and each of them seem bent on being reelected at the expense of the country they hate the most. Americans are getting ready to dump a bunch of pols. I hope you do the same
by equating criticism of Israeli policies with antisemitism not only they disrespect Holocaust victims' memory but also trivialize real antisemitism.
"....anti-Israel fervor and criticism become anti-Jewish." ..so what they are saying is that criticizing Israel is automatically anti-semetic. Wow! I just can't understand their mindset. Do they really want the whole world work for the benefit for them because they are the so called ?chosen people" and the head of the states keep running around just making sure that nothing is said, written of televised in their respective countries that might offend Israel. I wish everybody well but seems like that this state is on a certain path of isolation and destruction.
Israel bashing may be the policy of Turkish governement as Hamaas bahing is Israel's.What is wrong with it? And as for Vally of the Wolves, the objections raised are as good as objections to holocast movies.Israel can inflict endless sufferings on Palestenions but to talk about them is antisemetic!!! Strange logic.
their leaders are turning to the east to iran but they are doing a very dangerous strategic mistake because this regime will fall one day or another because its people many people their are fed up with islamism the youth of this country will take one day the power in iran like in turkey
Take it from an Irish American, This nonsense of eating a hot dog that's not Hebrew National is anti-semitic has gotten very old in the last few years. Give it a rest.
Not to mention Ehud Barak's kiss and make up expedition to Ankara.
We see that the sitution of the Palestinians are all time worse. Every aid of Europe and the international communities to them are made impossible or sometimes very difficult. Israel is anti-muslim and anti-palestinian. It's time that Israel should polish it's image and then start preaching. Otherwise you would look like hypocrites and people would not believe you.
This isn't news. Israel accuses everybody of anti-Semitism. If Israel went two days without making an accusation of anti-Semitism, that would be news.
when the Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon humiliates the Turkish ambassador in front of the Israeli television. I have the impression that Israel hates Turkey instead of the other way around. Their living procentually more Jews in Turkey, than there are Turks living in Israel. ;-) Because Turks fear that the Israeli will treat them the same way as the Israeli's threat their muslim population? :-)
No worries, Turks. Nato got your back. That's why Israel apoligized TWICE.