Iran launches exhibition of Holocaust cartoons as 'test of Western tolerance'
By The Associated PressTEHRAN - An exhibition of more than 200 cartoons about the Holocaust opened here yesterday in response to last year's Muslim outrage over a caricature of the Prophet Mohammed in a Danish newspaper.
The display, showing 204 entries from Iran and abroad, was strongly influenced by the views of Iran's hard-line president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who drew widespread condemnation last year for calling the Holocaust a "myth," and saying Israel should be destroyed.
One cartoon by Indonesian Tony Thomdean shows the Statue of Liberty holding a book on the Holocaust in its left hand, and giving a Nazi-style salute with the other.
Masoud Shojai, director of the host Caricature House, said a jury looked through 1,200 entries received after the contest was announced in February by the co-sponsor, the Iranian newspaper Hamshahri.
It came following worldwide protests by Muslims against the Mohammed cartoon published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. Many Muslims considered the cartoon offensive and a violation of traditions prohibiting images of their prophet.
Hamshahri said it wanted to test the West's tolerance for drawings about the Nazi killing of six million Jews in World War II. The entries on display came from several countries including the United States, Indonesia and Turkey.
The exhibition runs until September 13, and the winner will receive $12,000. The exhibition hall is next to the Palestinian Authority's embassy, which was Israel's diplomatic site in Iran before the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
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To all you religious ones that feel like hurting someone because of cartoons, or for what someone said, is your faith that week? Let me remind you that nobody is born Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish or whatever, it's something you become by influence of your parents, family and so on, as you get older you may even find your own path. If your faith in what you believe in is strong, then nothing should make you mad and outrageous, but tolerant to what other people say. People get offended every day, to say or do things in a way that nobody get offended is literally impossible and even wrong(there's exceptions of course), be tolerant instead. Where would mankind be today if nobody did something that someone judged wrong?
i would request the people posting their messages , to be sensitive to the beliefs and faith of others. i am a practising muslim, i take an offencs to somebody saying jesus was a false prophet , he was a true prophet there is no doubt about that. a jewish moron like u knows only false hood and deceit, barbarity, & i think jews are the true followers of Hitler.
Wake up fool and read a history book. Arabs are illegally occupying Israel and trying to kill its rightful owners. When Jews defend themsleves you say they are oppressing Arabs. Logic is an Alien thing to a Muslim!
It is one thing to mock someone's appearance, actions, beliefs...and quite another to laugh at someone's dead children. 1,5 million Jewish children died in the Holocaust. How would you feel about an Israeli cartoon depicting the Lebenese PM milking the dead children of Qana?
two wrong things cant make one right!if the only aim of these cartoons is to ridicule jews than it is bad like publishing of cartoons of prophet. being jew, you also get emotional and feel offended on the issue of holocaust, muslims also feel the same once it comes to prophet Mohmmad. we all have a right to differ each other but must learn to respect each other and not to hurt. freedom of expression is not a jungle, it must remain with in the parameters of decency and not offending any one beliefs.where is freedom of expression when it comes to talk on holocaust in Israel and europe? one very good example of freedom of expression is a research paper"the Israel Lobby" written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt in US, where so called "free press" couldnt dare to publish it due to fear of powerful israeli lobby and was subsequently published in UK by London Review of Books .!! its available on www.lrb.co.uk.
if occupation is truly the cause of perverse reactions, then why did the worst outbreak of jewish genocide occur when Jews did not have a country at all?
believe cartoons are actually an art form. it is their intent that makes them inciteful. one form of expression only. as am american, am also aware of what havoc the allies wreaked on innocent civilians in europe and especially japan during WWII. rationalize it however you will, area bombing involved the mass slaughter of civilians. examining the cartoons ( both american and british ) of that period, they were as callous and inciteful as anything contemporary about the holocaust published in our time. david
Do not forget when Christians expelled Jews. The Moslim Ottoman (Turks) wellcome you that time....
Your choice of adjective is interesting. You suggest that if israel dropped leaflets stating that they were now going to beat the crap out of HA, then that would make it OK in your book. For a person from a distant european land, It isfantastical that u can even suggest that if its on a piece of paper, then its OK. The cartoon business is just a little of bit of muslim chest beating and salvaging of religious pride internationally. Of no consequence. But for u to cite hypocrisy and then suggest that a bit of paper would make it somehow OK, is quite ludicrous. I hope u don't make many such statements on behalf of the millions of good people in Holland who don't think like you.
WAKE UP PEOPLE !!! You are all falling into their trap , are you not aware that "ZOINISTS" are not =to "JEWS" and are you not aware that "TERRORISTS" are not =to "ISLAM" and EVERY TRUE JEW ,CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS SIMPLE BARE TRUTH Stop blaming RELIGION for our SINS , CRIMES and WAR .... stop balming JEWDAISM for the CRIMES OF ZIONISTS Stop blaming ISLAM for the CRIMES OF TERRORISTS STOP BLAMING EACHOTHERS RELIGION ...!!! IS IT SO COMPLICATED????!!! NO BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE ONE GOD and ONE TRUTH....and this is what all the holy Prophets(Peace be upon us all ) tought us ...NOt to WRONG the Name of GOD ... WAKE UP ..before it is too late !!
1 .Gospels, Koran, Tanaj, are religious texts. To say that Jews killed Jesus is both unuseful and wrong. It seem to be more interesting to blame Jews than Romans. I think Italians must be eternally punished for the crucifixion. Sounds it rational? 2. What Iran? What President? What Islam? Like a gorilla drumming his nude chest, dictators always succeed in threatening, lying, dominating their poor people.
May I suggest that the Jews of Europe wouldn't have needed a state of our own if the Christians hadn't chosen to treat the Jews there with terror and oppression for two thousand years. When the Holocaust finally filled you with pangs of guilt, you chose to allow us Jews our own land; just so long as it wasn't in a Christian land. Maybe if you Christians had behaved like decent people yourselves this whole mess could have been avoided. But since you didn't you have forfeited your right to even have an opinion on this, let alone criticize. In other words, keep you big fat racist hypocritical mouth shut!
Did any one burn down one of Irans stinkin' enbassies yet... No of course not that is what seperates us ( humans) from them ( animals)! What is so great about a "god" and a religion that demands blood sacrefice in form of martyres blowing them self up, Ahmedajan and the rest of the Islamist can u anserw that?
You're about as funny as a fart in a space suit.
IF THIS ARAB PROVERB WAS THEIR LONLY CONTRIBUTION TO HUMAN DEVELOPEMENT I FEEL PROUD THEY FOUND THE RIGHT WORDS TO DESCRIBE YOUR SPICIMEN OF MEN. "AN IGNORANT IS HAPPY IN THE EXTASY OF IGNORANCE"
historian from the usa...thats why your facts are all screwed up. i dont what history books you studied, but they must be a cover up to the truth, just like your 1001 versions of the bible. keep reading because at your pace you uncover the the earth was never round, it was all a big LIE! disgusting
the romans killed jesus?? what book did you read. oh wait, dont tell me its the new testament the comic version. chris, this might not be the post for you.
crowds??!! --- ofcourse, this explains everything. this explains why israeli men are getting thrown in your jails in bunches. because they love the feeling of ecstacy that comes from being in a crowded cell. the comic twist that you put on this subject comes from pure ignorance and stupidity. you'll be burning flags among thousands when they come to kill your wife and kids, or sister and brother. make no mistake about it, people are in crowds because they protest the killing and bloodshed of innocent people.
because you're canadian i understand why you're confused... 1- iranians are not arabs 2- most arabs deny the the existance of the state of israel, not all of them. 3- iran (non-arab nation), denies the existance of the state of israel, therefore he refers to israel as the "zionist regime". **you have to be able to read THE lines, before you can read BETWEEN them**
"Iran is doing everything it can to help Israel justify, legitamely justify, a nuclear attack from Israel as Israel will see its` survival at stake." - Bob You mean a bunch of cartoons is a legitimate reason for war? Even nuclear war? The only piece of paper that starts a war is a declaration of war. Which Israel conveniently forgot before bombing Beirut. I bet you also condemned the Muslims' outrage and violence about the Danish cartoons? Hypocrite!
Why is so difficult for Israelis inparticular and jews in general to see the evil and daily dehumisation of Palestinians caused by occupation, has it suited Israelis and jews always to paly the role of the victim and be totally blind to the crimes committed in Palestine, Isreal can slolve 90-95% of the problem by withdrawing from the land occupied in 67 and retain the 78% of Palestine it stole from the inhabitants with the help of extreme chrisians.
Iran is doing everything it can to help Israel justify, legitamely justify, a nuclear attack from Israel as Israel will see its' survival at stake.
for showing the cartoon of mahomet it was question of the "press freedom" it should be too the same freedom even for the cartoon of holocaust
A Jew that is agnostic or atheist? never heard of that, nor have I heard about christians or islamic atheists... lol
I will like to inform Mr. HaLevi that Many of Jews living in Muslim Turkey today are descendents of those migrated from Christian Spain in 15th or 16th century after their persecution in Spain. Besides also please be sensible enough to realise that if Mr. Ahmedinejad says that why should Palestinians pay the price for persecution of Jews at the hands of Europeans, then what wrong is in that.
I strongly believe that the Iranian president had made another WRONG MOVE , although I dont acknowledge the existance of the state of Isreal , I think that this Cartoons's exhibition is a deep and huge offence not only to all jews, but to all muslims , because it wrongs the True face of ISLAM which promotes real tollerance with other religions. Not to mention about the fact of "making fun" of the tragic and evil crime of the Holocaust which killed many innocent people. However we have not to forget that a RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED AFTER PEOPLE and surely Mr. Ahmad Inejad had mistaken "JEWS" with "Zionists", as many of us mistake "Islam" with "terrorists " . Personally I believe that the Iranian president is obstructing the process of real tolerance between the Three Holy Religions. Hereby I hope that one day we will all come to a TRUE starting point for this peaceful process . Peace, love and hapiness to all.
You, my dear, are staggeringly uninformed. The State of Israel was not founded by Jewish "fundamentalists" but rather by people who, for the most part, were unencumbered by religion. The majority of them were Socialists, agnostics and even atheists. You could really do with some history lessons to avoid embarassing yourself by spewing nonsense on this site.
You Muslims are like little boys, laughing at fart jokes. Grow up. You can start by unveiling your women. Get some cajones, man, stop being so scared of girls you have to throw a tent over them. They don't bite. You'll notice Haaretz posted your joke. That's because the jews in Israel are adults who live in the 21st century. Nobody is threatening to kill you. Go ahead, post your stupid jokes, we don't care. Unlike in your Islamic nation, where we would literally get our heads sawed off for posting something like that about the Prophet (peace be upon him)
..."your analogy of what if it was published in an Iranian newspaper..." But we were in the third countries didn't claim our selves as champion of democracy and free press like EUROPE did.
Religious fanatics are the same whatever religion they follow. The strong connection between religion(leaders) and state in muslim countries make the difference, the result of this exhibition is -no outrage in the west. The gospels are not the truth, an historical record, but not totaly false either. Compare all religions and disregard the differences, then you get somewhere, but don't be fanatic!
"What do you do with people who believe the Holocaust is a myth". What do you propose? In the begining holocaust was a base to reparations. The more souls the more money from Germany. They calculated every person as a soul obtainig magic 6 million. Even people who died quietly in their beds, who changed their names or left their countries were calculated. After years and years it has become to exist as a myth. It doesn't mean that Holocaust didn't happen. It happend, but there's no reason to enlarge it. It was horrible even in its real limits.
The diariah of Anne Frank!
Dear Dov, Your ignorance is frightening.Hope you will go back to school,this time some good one.if one is eager to have philosphical/historical debates he has to equip himself with facts.
When the Muslims didn't like the cartoons in the Danish newspaper, they rioted, killed each other, burned Danish, American, and Israeli flags and generally cried like children and acted like wild animals. When the Iranians tried to retaliate (against the Jews, for some reason...not even against the Danish who published the Mohammed comics), there were no riots, no killings, no flag burnings... Maybe Ayatolla Assahola should think about what his exhibition actually taught the world about tolerance and about Islam.
it is amazing that this guy actually is taken serious by the international community!! let alone the general public in iran. crazy stuff man
THIS IS THE TRUTH THAT GOD WANTS WHOLE WORLD KNOWS: Everyone in this world, from Adam to the last babies that are borning rigth now in the earth face, are sinners, BECAUSE THE SIN OF ADAM. And because of this sin, everyone is separated from GOD. But GOD has loved man that HE SENT SOMEBODY TO ERASE THIS SIN: THE MESSIAH. HE choose a man (ABRAHAM)from whom, GOD will take out a people (ISRAEL). THIS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BRINGING OUT THE MESSIAH. Now, THE MESSIAH HAD TO GIVE HIS LIFE TO GIVE ETERNAL LIFE to whom believe in him (Isaiah chapert 53).
If all Iranians were so coward and naive as u are Saddam hossein would now rule over Iran.U are too much impressed by western propaganda... Don't forget the cruelities that they have done to humanity.
one day we will spare FIVE minutes of silence to watch the disaster we did with our world.... money can buy houses but no homes power provides repression but no protection weapons kill now to avoid future death love & patience aginst stupidity has to be helped out USE YOUR INTELLIGENCE when shall we start over "the whole thing" ???
I agree with you!
"history is written by the winners." Usually. For a non-emotionally charged example, read Josephine Tey's excellent novel "The Daughter of Time" about Richard III and Henry VII. That said, the publication of the cartoons is in no way comparable; riots/deaths over those published in Denmark and talkbacks about the Iranian cartoons are NOT the same thing folks. And Thor is right; you get to voice your opinion and we get to decide whether or not we find your point (if any) valid. NO ONE gets to dictate how we think/feel, no matter how right you may think you are...
iranians are stupid if they dont revolt to havea regime change. Otherwise thry are facing a confrontation with the west and they will be bombed back to the caveman days (which is about last week for them)
iran is not arab...
As we speak the Meguilah is being re-written. We are not very far from the time when we will be celebrating in synagogues around the world the collapse of HamanInejad....and after he has been long gone, and we will hear his name we will take out our graggers and make a lot of noise to remember his defeat.
The word Ahmadinejad is just another word for the biggest scum of mankind. In my country you would be sent to prison for such sayings. its a tragedy that this person can become president of an UN member state, and its madness to let them develope the Nuclear bomb. i cant understand why no one is showing this bastard that it is enough!
What's wrong by drawing a bomb in a turban and call him Muhammed, just about every terrorist claim to be an true muslim! No wonder theire short on virgins up there, lol, that cartoon was good:-) don't muslims find it slightly fun? It's the "muslims" that make muslims look bad you muslims should be mad about... Non of the holocaust cartoons I've found so far could trigger an outrage like the Muhammed drawings. but then again, I don't understand which cartoon would....!
DEAR YARON: let's admit all you said was right,nothing can justify nowdays israel's atrocities and OCCUPATION it's incredible how an occupation force can benefit all this western support and complicity:ABSURD i still prefer John Lennon's IMAGINE than your's.
Pathetic. Here's the big clue: tolerance doesn't mean agreement. In the US, just because we allow someone to express an opinion doesn't mean we agree with it, or even think it has any legitimacy. Kooks here are free to express their opinions, but that doesn't mean they stop being kooks. And you people are kooks. Grow up already.
Sorry but at least you must be in shame when you still claim that your religion is a religion of peace.'' Peace ''for you means , probably peace deal with the deads you murdered !!!Sorry but I am not a religious Christian instead secular , I prefer Budhism in many aspects but I believe your religion is the real trouble of this century with all the backwardness, darkness, bloodshed & violence it promises to the citizens of earth. Don't you still realize how really dark are you ? Don't you realize How do the normal people of the world- from Christians to Budhists to Jews, the shintos- but everbody but not Muslim- conceives you ??? Come on & look at yourselves with our eyes. You not only disturb us but also don't even have any good for yourselves. why are u the most backward societies on earth???DON'T U SEE YOU ARE VERY PATHETIC ENJOYING THE SUFFER OF THE OTHERS; WHAT KIND OF A MORALITY YOU CLAIM WHEN U ENJOY WITH THE VICTIMS OF THE HOLOCOUST ???
I think it would be quite good test for western tolerance. For me western tolerance looks like a swiss cheese full of holes. 6 millions holes is too much to have a subject to discuss about a cheese. Get it.
Dear Sir, whgat exactly gave you the idea that the Arabs care about the Palestinians? Do you know how many Palestinians, and Arabs were killed by Arabs? Black September 15000 in 2weeks(no it is not a Zionist fact), Kuweit 1992, Iranian regime for 35 years, Lebanon civil war...wake up sir? While I would like to share your high moral expectations for a better world but I most surely would like to be in it as well.
Yes, we had an army 2000 years ago wow you have a good memory. And while we gave up the guns then and our land (not willingly I may add) that was not enough we were still hunted , humiliated and rapped...ofcourse the reason for that was again reinvented by people who had the power to do so.
Yes you did! before 600AD. Since then what happened? Ohhh, yeah Mohammed was born. Please can you enumarate any great contributions to world society from the Arab world...hellow, hellow..
The Gospels are not actual "accounts." In fact nothing was even written about Jesus until at least 30 years after his death. Pontious Pilat was a vicious murderer who was so vicious that he was recalled back to Rome by the Emperor. No one told this man or the Roman Empire what to do. I have no problem with Christianity or people believing what they would like. But to preach the New TEstament as HISTORY is simply miseducating those who read these posts.
I recall hearing in Iran all Jesih schools are forced to be open on the Jewish Sabbath and to have a Moslem head of school and are forbidden to learn Hebrew.
Being such a admirer and having dichatomy in ur mind ...why dont u take genral mushraf to ur country and let him rule u...
I can't believe people still are spouting the crap that the Jews killed Jesus. You know what Paraclete? YOU killed Jesus, because you're sinful just like the rest of humanity. If "Jesus" died for YOUR sins then YOU killed him! It's know wonder #29 thinks Jesus is a false messiah after your early church fathers (Constantine, Marcion, Eusibius, Justin Martyr, Martin Luther) made this guy into a Zeus-like, blonde haired, blue-eyed Malibu Jesus, incorporated sun-god rituals into their worship (Christmas/Easter/Sun-day Sabbath), and said he did away with HaShem's Torah! Read Matthew 5:17-22, Romans 3:31, 1John5:3, James2 and see just how Semetic your religion really is(or should have been, anyway). Then maybe you'll stop making stupid remarks like that.
Moreover dont have compassion to the jews because of what happened during WWII. Have compassion like you have compassion towards anybody other human being.
Paraclete - John 19:15 also indicates that the High Priests said:But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. It is well known that the Priests were not leaders of the Jews, per se, but agents of Rome. You should also ask yourself: Who did Pilate serve? He was a Roman officer and would only act on orders from Rome (Whether directly, or in this case - from the priests?) You are obviously intelligent and well read - please think about this a bit - Does it make sense that the Jews (as a people) could order their occupiers to kill someone on their behalf? Not so much. Cheers, Sim
As a Muslim I have been teached to love God and Muhammad and other prophets with a genuine love. So can I make a crazy thing to my love one? Surely not! I will be angry to anyone who put a bomb on a prophet's turban similarly to American who angry when their flag was burned or when a portrait of Bush has been made as a floor mate. Respect to others is the best.
Sorry lola, but no: this is an article about the Iranian regime organizing a contest about holocaust denial. Not about having compassion towards the jews, not about israel-lebanon war, not about the palestine-israeli territorial question. Not about European guilt feelings toward the jews. Furthermore you are confusing israelis and jews, and the holocaust goes further than only jews, gypsies, gays,.... And last, saying the palestinians and lebanese are "the victims", means the israelis children are not victims? the destroyed israeli hospitals mean nothing? Believe me that if Israel wanted to behave like the nazis, toward the Lebanese and palestinians, there could have x1000 more victims. But Israel doesnt do that, Israel doesn t want the destruction and annihilation of the lebanese or palestinians. Es gracioso mi colega se llama tambien lola
Concurrently, Muslims have decried every reference to violence and terrorism linked to them in the west. Depictions of Arab or Muslim terrorists is met with denunciations of stereotyping and intolerance. But when such actions occur in the Muslim world, and when Muslims make the same stereotypes, we again here equivications and silence. It's time their hypocricsy was exposed for what it is.
The deliberate creation of this contest clearly highlights the hate mongering that is pervasive in the Muslim world. This is just another data point in the trend of publications, from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to the Egyptian Horseless Horseman TV series, to the Blood Libel written by the former Syrian minister of Defense, through the Hizballah history of Zionism. Rather than acting as a beacon of tolerance, Prime Minister Ahamadinejad took his favorite topic, that of killing Jews, and decided to see how far he could run with it. Muslims, throughout the Ummah, who stood in solidarity, burning and pillaging in response to their perception of offense over the publications of the cartoons of Mohammed, remain silent to this Iranian event. Throughout the past five years, following the 9.11. attack on the US, there has been a large group of academics who have sat there and tried to explain "Muslim Rage" because of perceived issues of disrespect....
It has a lot to do....we are always said to have compassion to the Jews, to remember what happened during WW2, but there are the victims of THE victims (you): the Palestinians (not Arab israelis and Lebanese.
The cartoonist was Danish The current Iranian display is not against the Danes. Has nothing to do with the Danes. Doesn't even mention the Danes. If you can't add 2 + 2 and come out with 4 - admit that your reasoning skills are non-existent.
Any decent secular historian would smile at your statements - much like a father smiles when his child mispronounces words. The Gospels are NOT historical documents - period. They are religious in nature. They do bear a great degree of historical accuracy, however, and are utilized in this part of the world along with Josephus for studies of the 2nd Temple Period. Your claims that they are variously mistranslated are based on what? We would need extent originals to make such a claim. One point, however, that does lend credence to their claim of contemporaneous historicity with the 2nd Temple period is this:- huge parts of the gospels (particularly Matthew) contain direct transliterations of Hebrew phrasology from the very early rabbinic period. Ramon - your personal beliefs may lead you to wish that your statements are true - but they are not. AND more importantly - they are highly offensive to Christian believers. Which, I believe, is what this article purposes to slam.
Wahbi, imagine a middle east without Israel. What else would be different? Would Iraq not have invaded Koweit, wouldn t have been the iraq/iran wars? The massacres of the kurds, the dictatorship of Syria, the civil war in lebanon, the dictatorship of Iran, women with no rights. Jordany and Palestine would have been probably 1 country. Or Palestine would have been eaten by Syria. But nothing else would have changed to the daily life of 99% of the muslims in the middle east. As bad as it is now
I think it is sick that the deaths of 6 million people should be mocked because some one drew 1 cartoon about muhammed and that if there is a protest it will be seen as a lack of tolerence eventhough there were massive protests against a small publication. Have some proportion.
Hello Indraya, Well the prophet cartoon was not published in a muslim country, but in europe, so your analogy of what if it was published in an Iranian newspaper? Would it have been like another Salman Rushdie?
What does it has to do with the war between hezbollah and Israel? What does it even has to do with Israel?? A bunch of lunatics denying the industrial killing of the jews, gays, gypsies and socialist during WWII. Apparently you cannot read, or is this article beyond your comprehension?
you know i have many pakistani and muslim friends in general. i even have half arab cousins. however much i sympathize with the plight of the muslim world and the aggressiveness of the west though i cannot help realize that there is something deeply wrong with the islamic world. why have many pakistanis chosen a life devoted to the terrorists or even to their support? why have hindus not done so in poverty stricken, corrupt india? why are muslims all over the world such as in indonesia so antagonistic towards israel and jews when they have probably never been there, nor have they met a jew? why do jews and israelis throughout the world protest against their country's wars and conflicts in support of arabs, but no arabs protest against their own countries? THERE IS SOMETHING TERRIBLE WRONG IN THE MUSLIM WORLD and it must be fixed before the entire world goes to hell.
that was a cool shot. wish the rest of the people on this forum contemplated about it, too - but alas, they do not seem to.
Dear Sir, I never said we are better than all Iranians nor than all Moslems. I dont believe evilis a result of ethnicity/nationality/religion, I think it's a result of a bad character. Any person who would make the genocide of millions of innocent Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Homossexuals and others into a reason for a good laugh (like Ahmadinejad and his cronies) is clearly a perverted sick freak. And yes, I think that I (and any other civilized person - whether Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Black, White, Asian, or whatever else) are far, far better than such "people".
stop the world -- i want to get off..indeed this is a brave new world..and iran wants to take the "old world" back to the stone ages...no further comments! voila.
... not by the Jews. And Jesus was not the messiah either. I wish for the Jewish people a messiah has yet to come, but for myself I think we all have to be our own messiah a little.
... the posts full of hatred towards muslims. What this website has shown me the past year, is that the thinkingschemes developed by the christians as described by Daniel Goldhagen and many other authors, have been adopted by Jews to humiliate muslims. Irrational hate towards muslims is antisemitism too. What do the people who adopt antisemitism expect? Ik don't think it is a good idea to make these cartoons about the holocaust, because by doing so one victim of antisemitism is damaging the other. If the Iraninians really want to give us a potion of our own medicine they should search for a more effective way to do so. I am sad to say that antijudaism is still very much alive these days. Only last week I was deeply shocked when my neighbour said some very distressing things about Jews. We need to deprogramme the antisemitic thinking schemes, and we need to do it together.
What do you expect from mentality and culture of the middle age? They have to evelolve at least 700 years to understand the western civilised world. I just hope all the western powers+Russia will join the forces against this Nazi regime in Iran. This is just a warning to the rest of the world that Iran should NEVER have any nuclear weapon.
We do not hate you.I guess u are too much influenced by the politicians.What ever that the human beigs have today is due to the effort and hard work of all the nations and races.it's not fair and neither rational to say who is better than the other.send me an E mail if u like cu
I don't know how u think, don't u always say that u always protect democrasy, anyone has the right to say whatever he wants and thinks, for example i think that your FM is a milf :):):) i have the right to think about her like that , and alos i have the right to think that u are loosers, and u have lost the war, and u have nothing to do now. all u have to do is check to see how u have lost this war well its a big problem for u, anyway if you goverment is preparing for a new round we are looking forward for to meet u, and what the hell who cares lets kick some asses :):):):) see you in battle
two wrong things cant make one right !! if the only aim of these cartoons is to ridicule jews than it is bad. being jew, you also get emotional and feel offended on the issue of holocaust, muslims also feel the same once it comes to prophet Mohmmad. we all have a right to differ each other but must learn to respect each other and not to hurt. freedom of expression. it is not a jungle, freedom of expression must remain with in the parameters of decency and not offending any one beliefs.where is freedom of expression when it comes to talk on holocaust in Israel and europe? one very good example of freedom of expression is a reearch paper"the Israel Lobby" written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt in US, where so called "free press" couldnt dare to publish it due to fear of powerful israeli lobby and was subsequently published in UK by London Review of Books .!! its available on www.lrb.co.uk.
ya'll miss the point totally: Mohammed, a genuine Prophet from Godhead, was being blasphemed, and according to Scripture (Koran, Bhagavad-gita/Bible all of them, those who blaspheme the true servants of God must be killed, tongues cut out; even in Hinduism, it is said that one who INADVERTANTLY hears a blasphemy must himself commit suicide after attempting to kill the offender. So, the wacko Pres of Iran is not attempting to blaspheme the Saints or Prophets of Judaism such as Abraham, Moses, or even Christ, no,not at all (you with me so far?) He, being cultured, would never do something so swine-like, knowing the true stature of all these great-souled devotees of the one God. This Iranian leader is revealing that the Jews (SO-CALLED) are so hypocrticial that they would be also intolerant of simply a belittling of an event such as the Holocaost, as though such lampooning or cartooning is tantamount to a nasty attack on religion personified (Prophet Mohammed, or Christ Jesus, etc)
What do you do with people who believe the Holocaust is a myth and so they want to make their own renditon of it a reality? Will they then in turn say they've never commited such actions? If you ask me, modern versions Hitler & Haman are still very much alive and well. But they too will be destroyed like all the others through history. God bless Israel!
You know at first I thought it would be a great idea if we ran a cartoon competition making fun of imam Ali - but that's when I realized that sinking down to their level would be degrading our status and giving them more pretext. To all the terror-loving and cartoon-apologists out there, I want all to bare in mind something: We, the civilized world as a whole, are better than you and we know it, and deep down, you know it too - maybe that's why you hate us so much.
A Moslem man in Europe wanted to make a children’s book about Mohammed, but he could not find a cartoonist because cartoonists were afraid of Moslems reactions to drawing Mohammed. This is why the article was written and made to include drawings of Mohammed. Is it funny to see a sweating cartoonist crouching over a picture of Mohammed looking behind himself for fear he may be attacked? Not really, because in truth, when these cartoons were published, more than a hundred people were killed as far apart as India and South Africa. The cartoons in the Danish paper made their point, the hypocrites who have been putting pictures of blood drinking Jews in their children’s textbooks and deny the holocaust existed, despite the fact they assisted in implementing it, commit over a hundred murders because of a few, not so bad cartoons. Now the Ancient Aryan Homeland is displaying Holocaust Denying Cartoons. We already have enough good reasons to kill them. Will we riot now?
It causes me great sadness that, in anger, the Iranian government would mock The Holocaust. The genocide stands as perhaps the most relentless persecution of a people, over a long period of time. I do not believe that the doubters are serious, their anger give rise to taunts. Sometimes they may believe that they taunt to aid others. The truth is that people are angered by the unfair discrimination and treatment of the poor and disenfranchised in Palestine, and the unfair treatment of innocent families, in Lebanon. Also, it is true that you cannot continue with the aggression towards Arabs in the region, in the long run it is your own future that you are destroying. The wiser course in economic success for Palestine and Lebanon and the hope that this may bring peace to the region. By deliberately impoverishing Palestine, and the more recent attempts to economically ruin Lebanon, you merely sinck further in to the quagmire of conflict. Now you must show goodwill to survive, not hate.
So he was not born yet during the Holocaust. Of course, he has “Visions” of “green glowing lights” and whatnot so I imagine he does not feel he needs personal experience, valid historical references or rational judgment to make such determinations.
But Hezbollah has rockets and as this war proved it's not really wise to anger them. And Annan would just smile diplomatically. I think it's not the good reaction to lower to their level. The Danish cartoons were not funny either. I was very disappointed by them. I think newspapers should publish truly funny cartoons or none at all.
what the hell? because of a danish paper who cartooned mohamad, we jews suffer humiliation? does that even make any sense to you? well you know what- we'll just blow up the people who made those cartoons to see if they can tolerate us afterwords....you must be kidding- testing our tolerance....tolerance my ass.
Not even Hinduism, much of which reveres cows, “Revolves Around Cows”. Bovine like most things in the world, fit in to Judaism in some way, but “Revolves Around” is garbage and you know it. As far as the Holiness of that Machine Tooled Aluminum Gold Plated “Supposedly Ancient” Monstrosity built on “The Temple Mount”, I would argue this is questionable at best. The Koran never names this place, Moslems pray facing the other way. It looks to me more like a trophy celebrating their victory over other monotheistic religions, an insult to Judaism and Christianity. They have a habit of building monuments to their victories, like the Tower of Christian Skulls the Turks Built in Serbia. They would replace the White House with a Mosque if they could. They would replace the Vatican. All would become “Holy” to them and Infidels who desecrate these places by falling in their shadow, would be beheaded. That is Sharia.
As Pakistan and India point Nuclear Weapons at each other over Kashmir and a handful of Ancient Hindu Temples that are now Mosques, the west is very much hoping that Musharraf lives a long and healthy life and has a rational successor. There is nothing democratic about him, he seized power in a Military Coup, but it takes a brutal man to survive that kind of political climate. If he goes down, someone suicidal like the Iranians will take over and Nuclear War with India becomes unavoidable. Supporting this dictator is an unfortunate, but unavoidable compromise.
Some of the Danish Cartoons showed a cartoonist, sweating and afraid drawing a picture of Mohammed. They started these cartoons because cartoonists were afraid to draw Mohammed, because Moslems might riot and kill people if they did. So they drew Mohammed and Moslems rioted and killed over a hundred people. You say these cartoons did not have much of a message, their message was proven by the violent response to them.
These are not quite as bad as the ones regularly used in Islamic Textbooks, including Islamic Textbooks used by Moslems in Europe. They do not all deny the holocaust, many do, though others attempt to correlate The Holocaust to the rapidly multiplying population calling itself Palestinian and was actually founded by the Man who Hitler put in charge of recruiting thousands of Moslems in to the Waffen SS, non-other than Arafat’s Aryan Uncle, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. When a handful of cartoons were Published in Europe, Moslems all over the world rioted and murdered more than a hundred people. I don’t see Jews rioting over these 200 cartoons, killing a hundred for every eight cartoons published.
How old is this Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
The fact that the Irainians came up with the idea of the Holocaust cartoon contest and that they deny the Holocaust happened is proof of how foolish and evil they are. When the Muslim world was burning buildings, and killing people all over the world because of cartoons depicting Mohhamed, the world was witness to their barbarism. Have we seen any Jews destroying buildings and killing people because of these cartoons...which are much more offensive than depicting Islams' first Terrorist. Jews should be proud of the fact that they behave like civilized humans...this proves it!!
The problem Ahmadinejad has would be that he may have to explain how it is that after the holocaustcartoons probably no people would have died or get physically hurt as a cause of it. The mohammedcartoons caused a lot of westerners to smile at the cartoons as nearly 70 muslims died. Not that they smiled at the fact that muslims died or got hurt over these cartoons. But at the notion that certain radical muslims most likely do not understand the nature of a cartoon. It is not a weapon. Not even if one thinks it is. Such misinformation can be used as a weapon towards whoever is gullible enough to accept it as a weapon. For the IDF: Stop raiding and start drawing Hizb'allah or Annan cartoons.
IMHO they were tasteless, idiotic, bad art, they had, besides insult, making mohamed ridiculous in a very cheap way, no other content than muslim=terrorist, if there was any content at all. To be funny, cartoons must say something. The cartoons in Iran are much better insofar. Whatever we think of their content, they say much more (as far as I have seen them). The danish "artists" should not be punished, to insult religions is a crime everywhere (hopefully), but it must be serious, which they were not. But there was also no case for "freedom of the press against fundamentalists" . That the artists and the publisher cannot be hanged etc does not say that they acted legal or that the cartoons were ok. Well, Danmark has a very special tradition, porno movies etc, but it has also the highest suicide rate in the world.
I don't feel hostility to all Muslims. However, if some fanatics pull off a stint like blowing up 20 airliners, what do you think the reaction is going to be? How do we wallop these guys before they pull this shit off without creating a new bunch of problems? It sounds like Pakistan has been helping the USA but then they say Bin Laden is hiding there. Then there is also Iran. Where are the silent majority? Why don't they protest the fanatics? It looks like it is easier for Muslims to protest in the streets against Israel than against the fanatics. Sort this out for me! Thanks. Salaam Shalom and Selah!
the president of the Iranian Republic who denies the Holocaust is a great president in the region.
Saleh, you exemplify the reason Israel has prospered since its creation while its neighbors have not. When one is focused on loathing its neighbor and devising ways to destroy it, it cannot focus on how becoming a productive, creative MATURE society. Islamists extremist are stuck in the infancy stage where all they can think of is "I want what the Jews have" namely prosperity, respect,and UNITY and will use the most primary means to get it. Maybe if rather than spewing hate you did some INTROSPECTION you could actually achieve something worth envying.
They are in the web, havent seen them all, just some, and what I saw had nothing to do with "Holocaust", just political cartoons, that should not be a problem, except that you may not share the authors views. And what does it mean, the somebody calls the Holocaust a "myth"? A "myth" is not a "lie"!! IMHO the president of Irans theory is not far away from Rabbi Goldbergs critique of Jews in a "victim" role. The president goes one step further, maybe he is right: he says that Jews are more interested in the Holocaust than in God, that they have replaced God by the Holocaust, and that this makes them Godless and waek. If Israel cannot even live with such a moderate critique........... The president of Iran wants to destroy Israel, well, a point of view that may not be acceptable, but this is neither Genocide nor sending Jews back to Russia etc, he just wants one state for all.
Thank you. As muslim you have displayed a great courage. I hope that your radical brothers will not punish you. Jews have a sense for humor, but not in this case: 1,Fast 6 mil.innocent civilians were brutally murdered, only because they had jewish mothers, 2, CCa 1,5 mil were fighting against nazis. More then Poles or Frenchmen. 3, CCa 0,8 mil jewish soldiers in russian, american, british, etc,. uniforms were in occupied Germany and they didn t harm the german population / And they had a good reason/. Jewish generation who still remembers the holocast must be very unhappy to see this exhibition. Arabs and majority of muslims should distance themself from this exhibition. Iran is not contributing to arab- israeli reconciliation.
....since you did the typing I just copied and pasted, google took 0.21 seconds. The L.A. Times mentioned this abomination of Ahmadinejad's in a commentary today (Sunday) by Thane Rosenbaum, who judged an essay contest Oprah hosted about the contemporary relevance of Elie Wiesel's "Night." Yin and Yang?Ridiculous and sublime? Here's the url if you want to read it... http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-rosenbaum20aug20,1,7809514.story?ctrack=1&cset=true Oh, confused, if you're still having trouble, try Hamshahri, the Iranian newspaper that's 'hosting' the holocaust cartoon contest.
the holocaust cartoon display shows the true hypocracy of the Muslim faith. While they cry racism to one Danish newspaper's printing, the cartoon display is typical of a pathetic liar.
"if they`re seeking irrational, hateful and moronic actions, they should just look in the mirror." Very well put--I whole-heartedly agree!
Dear Ms. Confused, I sat here (Tel Aviv, Israel) reading your claim of blocked web sites etc. I typed in 'International Holocaust Cartoons Contest' into google image search and up came hundreds of the cartoons. Do you just talk rubbish or do you have anything intelligent to add to the discussion
I like cartoons a lot and would love to see this exhibition, is it online too? The Mohammed cartoons was not bad, and some was a real treat. If they was published in a muslim country I would expect some sort of reaction, but not as they where. Likewise if this exhibition of Holocaust cartoons was held in Israel or Germany reactions would occur. But of course as far as I know there's no Religious leader from Europe in Iran that would bring the cartoons to europe, make fake ones, to trigger a rage against the exhibition and the muslime world! Lets make a cartoon exhibition of all religions and violent conflicts, and talk about it, have some laughter in this all to serious world:-) A good laugh prolong your life...
Idiots. It was not even Jews who made the cartoons of Mohammed. Iran is OVER the edge and just plain evil. If anyone thinks that Islam is a relegion of tolerence or peace this should pretty much destroy that notion.
REading about this, I feel that this is mostly an insult to the muslim world, and to Allah. There is no more to say about this idiothy. My hope is that muslims around the world will condemn this harshly
Although I'm a muslim as Ahmadi Nejad but I believe to the holocaust....because the Lebanon War is telling me the TRUE holocaust where 1000 innocent people died in the hand of holocaust generation. I believe there will be many more holocausts in the future as an equalizer to the Israels' action on the peoples of Lebanon.Hopefully NOT.
No saleh, Jews are not better that anyone else, only better than you and your vicious kind
No it wasn't the Muslims who crucified Jesus, it was the Romans, the Italian ancestors who did it and they tried to blame it on the Jews
Iran is stronger than what u think.U are very angry and that's the reason why I say Iran is strong.
President Parvez Musharraf met Ariel Sharon in Switzerland last year They shook hands and developed a Rapport.Pakistan wants to have good relations with Israel but the 12% of the Fanatic Mullas want to kill Musharraf.Musharraf is fighting a Lone battle against enemies of Israel and the West by 80,000 troops in the Afghan/Pak border.Please Support Musharraf he is good for the world and Israel.
what a lie israel revolves around. israel was found only 50 years ago... it is the most un-democratic state... talking about the separation of Religion from State.... this not the case in israel .. israel is a jewish state... jews beleive they are that god choosed them... nd they are better than everyone.. else.... it's not true... ur state will collapse... will be destroid ... soon..
We have been hearing how the president of iran keeps saying thatg there was no Holocaust. If a gallery of Holocaust cartoons is shown in iran, apparently this move is solely anti-semitic, with no ties to the Holocaust.
I think that even if We Jews agree that most of muslims still think like 1000 years ago, beating up women's, burning up flags and showing off weapons and stuff, we need to accept that we cannot make iran or siria change(with or without a war), they cannot be a democracy from one day to another(for ex. iraq), so what can we do? hope they will evolve??
#5 DC you compare the killing of 1,000 civilians who are victims of a WAR and who are not purposefully targeted to the GENOCIDE of 6 million Jews. This is the typical comment made by ANTISEMITES who distort FACTS.
The Jewish people recognize Haman when they see him. The current leadership of Iran will meet the same fate. Hashem will not let us down.
Its confusing to me to read all this talk about how the "west" would react and what it would or wouldn't do. Is israel part of this "west" or part of the "non-west"? is the "west" white people? Caucasians? first-world countries? maybe western Europe and the US? because I'd like to know who decides that the world is made up of only two teams and if they're still accepting applications, say if me and my friends wanted to start a new team ...just for kicks:)
Here we are just laughing at the iranian president. Its made very little headline and well we here in Denmark are still just recovering from the muhammad cartoon hype.
In war civilians will always be killed. If Hezbollah would not have cowardly hidden in civilian areas, there would not have been so many civilian causalties. Who started the Lebanon war, Hezbollah. If Hezbollah would have stayed in Lebanon and not crossed the border and kidnap soldiers, there would have been no war. Do you condemn Hezbollah firing rockets into civilian Israeli areas? Your lucky im not the leader of Israel, I think they didnt do enough, I would have bombed to the point of destruction every village in South Lebanon. I would not have risked the lives of Israeli soldiers to protect Shite Lebanon people who support Hezbollah. Bottom line, the arabs dont even live in peace with each other. Pull the west out of the picture and all the arab countries would be at war with each other. Iran can laugh but they will pay the price real soon when they are bombed and the nuclear program is bombed to pieces. Trust me tha will be very soon to come.
all this is a stupid situation, more fragmentation (mentally, nationalisms, all that stupid religions, irrationallity, and so forth) all going to a no returning point!!
...but, first to talk, there is a site in wich those "cartoon" can be wiewed?
IRAN SHOULD BE COMMENDED AND INVITED TO EXHIBIT IN AUSTRIA, PERHAPS ARMSINDINNERJACKET COULD KINDLY ATTEND.
Or at least one of the faces of evil. The world supposedly said never again and yet it goes on and on... Aug. 18, 2006 19:50 | Updated Aug. 18, 2006 20:39 Swiss reject IBM-Holocaust lawsuit By ASSOCIATED PRESS GENEVA Gypsy International Recognition and Compensation Action said it had been given notice of the decision by the Federal Tribunal in Lausanne that the statute of limitations applied to the case. The whole story is at http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525901743&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
ANY MENTION OF THE HOLOCAUST SERVES AS A REMEMBRANCE.
First, freedom of speech should be allowed and tolerated. It is murderous acts that must be stopped and prosecuted. This exhibition merely shows the stupidity, insanity, and denial of Iran, its President, and Moslems who hate. Now it is on display for the entire world. Its a fitting mirror to their depraved thinking and the world can see it. As usual they don't get it, but most of the World does.
...when people with no connection whatsoever to a country proceed to tell them what they may and may not do with their "freedom of the press?" Hardly seems like freedom at all, does it? Maybe one of our Muslim friends can explain why they feel they have a right to run the non-Muslim world too.
Egypt's top Islamic leader said that the Danish editor who first published the contentious Prophet Muhammad cartoons should be jailed and his newspaper banned, according to an interview published Friday. Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, the grand sheik of Al-Azhar, one of the most powerful Islamic institutions in the Sunni Muslim world, said that Muslims still haven't forgotten the cartoons, which triggered a global firestorm earlier this year, Danish daily Berlingske Tidende reported. "This was a really big crime," Tantawi was quoted as saying. "So the punishment should be to sentence the editor to prison for a number of years. And in addition to ban the paper from publication for some years." "You can use your freedom of the press to attack people like me or presidents or royals. We can defend ourselves. But Jesus and Muhammad cannot, and anyone who attacks them must be punished for what he has done," Tantawi said.
B'H Shalom Well, as an Iranian, I am not surprised by that looney government in Iran. Why not send a couple of looney cartoons for Ahmadinejad? He is a looney, after all. Toda Cyrus
ali please see what a ex muslim say about islam.tell you leaders to pay the money to poor iranian pepole who sale their body for money evry day in the name of alah and sigheh.also you have alot of pepole with AID AND DRUG PROBLEM AND PEPOLE WITHOUT WORK.TELL ALL YOUR FOOLISH LEADERS ISRAEL CAN FIISH YOU OVER NIGHT AND JUST KEEP YOUR NOSE IN IRAN.OTHERWISE THERE WILL HAVE A NOTHER SOUTH LEBANON AND WORSE.DONT SPEND YOUR MONEY ON ARAB RATS WHO CAAUSED MANY DEATH FOR YOU IN HISTORY.WAKE UP.REMINDER ISRAEL BUILT ALOT OF PLACES IN IRAN AND CAN IT CAN MAKE IT FLAT FOR YOU.NOW GO SEE THIS VIDEO.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0&mode=related&search=
see and enjoy it.it is realy beautifull to see a muslim lady talks of how bad is islam.send it to all your frends.GOD BLESS OUR BRAVE BOYS.SOON WE WILL SEE THEM ABOVE IRANIAN SKY.remember iraq?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0&mode=related&search=
I would like you to mention that my response was for Ali under N 10. Thank you
This is very shameful what he (Ahmadinejad) is doing. He is disgracing the people who suffered by the hands of a tyrant - a mad man. I am a Muslim and I really condemn what he is doing. I also deplored what was published in the Danish newspaper. Two wrongs never make it right.
...that Germany has finally decided to open more of their records after all this time. Now you can go see for yourself how many innocents were slaughtered. As if the numbers already documented are not enough. Good thing the Germans kept such GOOD records, isn't it? Now if you remain ignorant it's YOUR fault. And the Catholic church is going to open Pius XIs records so we can see for how many years HE supported the Nazis. I am wondering how many years it will be before they open the records of Pius XII, I'm almost 58 years old and he was Pope when I was a child...
The story of Jacob is really funny.I guess no sophisticated man tody can ever believe such a chilish story.Don't give examples of the book whick is a source of laughter.
Tell it to your government! And go out into the streets as you did it with Danish caricatures! Have you guts to do it?
Why is Iran showing Holocaust cartoons as a response to Mohammed cartoons? What has one thing even remotely to do with the other? There will be no riots over Holocaust cartoons, even Mahmoud knows that. Has anyone noticed that this guy is obsessed with Israel to a point of mental illness? He needs prescription medication, not interviews with Mike Wallace.
What a moron the president of Iran is. The idea of the exhibit is just plain stupid, aside from being gratuitously offensive. Who cares anyway? The exhibit just shows how lame-brained they are. It will be soon forgotten. Unfortunately. the Islamofascists remain in power, for now.
Hey Uri I think you'll find that Ahmadi Nejjad actually intends the exhibition to be about the denial of the holocaust, nothing to do with politics. More to do with his bigotry and insanity.
Dear Paraclite, Where did you learn your gospel, at the musical "Jesus christ Superstar"?
i've been reading these responses and am amazed anyone would feel the need to "debate" a denier. only out of profound ignorance or uncontainable hate would someone go down this road. why engage other than to do what deborah lipstadt did: sue in court, and win, but even then it shuts up no one. this is a pathetic exercise.
Racial insesitivity always starts some place as it does not brew from nothing. Most importantly it will get uglier and uglier in a heated volley. Best to compleltely ignore that exhibition and let its baloon deflate.
SO YOUR RELIGION SAYS THE END OF THE WORLD IS WHEN A RED COW IS FOUND AND BURNT, AND THEN A TEMPLE CAN BE REBUILT OVER THE HOLY PLACE OF MUSLIMS?? I DONT EXPECT HAARETZ TO POST THIS! SO FAR FOR THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!
HOW REALISTIC FROM YOU TO GIVE CREDIT TO THE HISTORICAL EVENTS (FACTS FOR MOST PEOPLE) BY THEIR CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.BY THIS LOGIC THE OLDEST EVENT IS THE LESS CREDIBLE.JUST USE THIS SAME LOGIC PLEASE OR LOOK AT THE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER OF RELIGIONS & SOVREIGNTY ON THAT SADLY HOLLY LAND. I THINK YOU'LL CHANGE YOU MIND AND LOGIC IMMEDIATLY.
No, we don't want to teach Mike Wallace a lesson like you guys usually do. Sorry, no bombing and no civlian killings today!
WooW! Iranians sure know how to hate on folks! I mean disagreeing with some country's (Israel) policy is one thing, but flaunting the massive genicide of that country's people on display like that is just the most hateful form of racial insensitivity I have ever witnessed.
YOU SHOULD SEE MY REPLY #69.I THINK I TRIED TO GIVE A CLEAR ANSWER TO YOUR question. PROVOCATIONS MAY LEAD TO PERVERSIONS !
"Islam doesn`t mean peace, it never has. It`s a violent religeon practiced by the hateful. Who coincidentally have contributed a sum total of zero to the advancement of humanity for more than 1000 years." Kinda like 'Never on Sunday' without the charm, huh? ;)
... given their respective birthrates, the Sunnis are WAYYYYY behind, and maybe always will be.
Try google, they can help you alleviate your ignorance; "i`m curious to know more about this nazi-arab plan to exterminate jews.never heard of such fiction." Try googling "the mufti of Jerusalem" or Arafat family. Also....Bosnia, circa WWII
You want to argue about who is the better 'caretaker' for Jews Roi? How paternalistic of you... Try reading Aldous Huxley's 'Island'...."here and now boys, here and now."
... is so blameless in all of this, why have they never recognized Israel? Why do they refuse to allow entry to anyone who has an Israeli stamp on their passport? Why do they refuse to disarm hizbAllah? Because Iran says so? Cry to your masters after you go back home to be part of the solution Lebanese Abroad. Or, is self your only interest?
When Norwegian made some cartoons, it was really bad, and Muslims protested it all over the world by damaging themself. Now why you are making cartoons if it is really bad. do muslims have double standards ?
Personally I like Emily Dickinson's idea of worship.
One of my G;ma's is AmerInd and would go for expelling whites; but she says it's okay, I could stay. ;
...SOOOOO proud to have you representing it here.
So why is it that Jews have left the UK by the hundreds in the last week to go "home" to Israel during a war? Because y'all are so tolerant and do such a great job of protecting them in places like Londonstan? The gendarmes have flat told Jews not to wear kippahs in public because they can't/won't protect them. Christians who are apologists for Muslim atrocities are just as guilty as the perpatrators. "Yes, but...." doesn't cut it anymore, racism is racism.
Imagine seeing this character as your "comforter?" Now there's a sad state of being. Now, about this "who killed Jesus" garbage. As I learned it in Parochial school, 'twas G-d who killed Jesus. His will and his plan. Why on earth are you so vitriolic toward a people who only fulfilled G-d's plan? There are a lot of sick puppies on this planet. By the way, have you met indrajaya?
Don't feel humbled--haaretz will always publish anything evil about Israel!
Rather than open your mouths about the poor Jews, and the innocent jews... why not go see the prisons that Israeli armies had men, women and children in during their occupation in South Lebanon. The IAF made sure to bomb this during this past war to ensure people dont see the atrocities they comitted in these prisons. Aww poor Israel; it only wants peace; the people are tired of living in shelters; We're the chosen people... give me a break. Open your eyes!
Amer, Jesus was killed by Roman soldiers. Your contribution to humanity in the last 2 centuries are quite tiny proportionally to your numbers. Or maybe we should count - suicide bombings, beheading of kidnapped people, kidnappings, murder of those you don't agree with, hypocrisy on an exteme scale.
Wali, Why don't we hold a debate whether Mohammed was really a G-d's messenger ? There's no dispute among historians that 6 million of Jews were exterminated, that a very large number of European Gypsies were murdered. If Iran's monkey wants to question the murder of most of my grandparents' relatives - let them do that, but please do not call that scientific or historical review - it is anything but. Injustice with Jews ? Forced conversions, occasional pogroms, murder and rape in Arab / Muslim countries are all facts of history. As to Palestinian Arabs - please read on the Hebron Massacre in 1928, when an achient Jewish community of Hebron was massacred by the Arab mob. Also, please read about Mufti of Jerusalem who spent time during WWII in Nazi Germany cheering up Hitler & helping with recruitment.
Today in the world there are Jewish, Islamic & Christian fundamentalists. Fundamentalism is a modern concept. We now have psychology, medicine, physics, biology, that explain many of the phenomena that religion sought to deal with. For example, evolution is how plants and animals got here. The universe was created in a Big Bang billions of years ago. What's G-ds role in all of this is open to debate. Fundamentalists are those who react against modern knowledge and try to hold back change because they don't have the spiritual or intellectual resources to move forward. The same is often true for secularists. Secularists are usually hedonists, while fundamentalists are intolerant and often killers. Mohammed, Moses, Jesus are to a great extent myths, murder of millions in WWII is not. To place the recent fact of WWII murder into the fundamentalist problem of modern reality by equating it with religious myth, shows how messed up fundamentalism really is. If they get the bomb...
Wahbi, I very much doubt that the person describing himself as "British academic" is British - let alone an academic. There is certainly racism in Britain, but the hysterical bigotry of the Brit. Acad's posts indicate that more likely he is just another Zionist spitting venom and hatred at anybody and everybody - and then being surprised that he is not winning any popularity contests. He has reason to be afraid - the "fear" of criticism about the Holocaust is that some will look and find out what the Zionists were up to.
they are jealous of the jews.
did u ever study theory of knowledge?if not then stop yapping and being so prejudice,go out and get a life.study things deeper and from different points of views b4 u generalize
Exhibition of holocast cartoons in Tehran is a shame for all developed world. This action will hit negatively all islam and will cause the serious blow to all protectors of islam. Now I can see that iranian government and people are very primitive.
Mind your information Dr. Abdul Salam was a non muslim, He is a qaidiani (Ahmadi) declared non muslims by majority of muslim schorals and pakistan government adopted a resolution in 1973 consitution declaring them non muslim. It really our bad luck that in modern era muslims have no major contribution in science but if you track back history you can found many many muslim scientist who contributed to the field of science.
I dont Know what is the problem with jews if someone denies holocaust, why they always behave like sisy,hey look we were killed, tortured and prisoned, past is past, six million or six hundred who cares. please stop this hue and cry now you have state of your own,though still have to be recognized by many many countries, have freedom and so called democracy also. what else one need. Please stop killing innocent muslim in palestian,lebnon and iraq.
i'll try to explain.First you create an object where to put your frustacions. then you consolidate, trough you "fate", the conviction that the only way to get ride of that "object",is to erase it. Its like walking in a jungle,afraid of a snake that exist only in your imagination.Like a God [jew,cristian or muslim]that you can not see him,only imagin.then you try to prove that something that does'nt exist,exist. nothing to do with 2 personalities.This is pure schizofrenia of pure muslims mind .best to you and us. Ric
..."whats harm in it? why holocaust is a "sacred cow" and and cant be discussed?..." It will be OK for muslims that holocaust is a "sacred cow" for Europeans. But DON"T HIDE behind free expression principle if the real intention of the "CARTOON THINGS" was insulting MUSLIM "TRADITION". This was unacceptable.
there is a need to determine the reality of holocaust. everyone feels soory for the deaths of all those innocent people died during that period but there is requirement to debate out about the actual loss. whats harm in it? why holocaust is a "sacred cow" and and cant be discussed? moreover, Iranian president is correct that muslims have never done injustice with jews and were in any way responsible for holocaust..israel should seek compensation from germany not muslims.
Hey Ali, It's interesting you ask and wonder about Jesus, which is His english name, His Hebrew name is Yeshua; and in Christianity He bears the title of Messiah or Anointed One. The interesting part about this Yeshua is not his death, something he shared with Mohammed and every other living person with a few early exceptions; but the unique thing is that Christians believe that God raised Him from the dead. During His stay here on earth, He lived as Jew observing the Torah commands, attending Temple service, and taught to Jews good teachings as a good Rabbi should. He did make Messianic claims and to my mind, after observing the irrational hatred and culture of death festering in the Middle East, I think He'll either return shortly as the "Son of Man" or we'll find out he's a liar. In that day, we will all know the truth.
In fact, Mr Parclete, just for yor knowledge, Jesus is not a Prophet for the Jewish religion. Therefore, this is not a good example for saying that jews slaughter their own prophets. Besides, Jesus was not crucified by Jews, he was crucified by Romans. In fact, thousands of Jews (and not jews) were crucified by Romans !! So what's the point then, just to difamate with old classic antisemitic stories for school children ? If that's the case, then you can add Jews kill Christian (or Arab) children to drink their blood (or make matza), Jews domain the whole world, and the money, Jews are cheap and evil, and whatever stupid bullshit is written in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (best seller in Arab countries along with the Mein Kampf). You can make nice drawings with all that stuff and apply for the $12,000 prize, and your hero Ahmadinejad will love you forever.
The Shoa was a tragedy. Try this exercise. Look carefully at those faces on the pictures may be you will learn something. Pictures of the holocaust are easily available. As for Jesus, before he died, he is reported as saying, 'forgive them'. So let's try.
you did not make speechless,it's just Haaretz's censorship .i sent already two replys but i can't see you getting them.though luck !!!
Plain DUMB!
Hopefully Iran can learn to lighten up a bit.
"Its funny how all these arab/muslim countries are living in absolute poverty but have enough money to waste on outdated weapons research." those are your words.i'm not an acedemic as you repeating it so pompously but according to Maslow's (he was jew in case you want to remind me)hierarchy of needs,safety(security)comes in the second layer of his famous pyramid just after physiologiacal/biological needs.
Hey silly or not Ahmadi Nejjad got all of you talking and its not the atrocity of holocaust its the politics attached to it which need to be dismantled and I think the exhibit is about that, the zionist politics augmented by the "holocaust" is the one of the most vile framework of violence and deception in the history of the world
Yes.Yes,Yes.
I'm happy to invite you to participate in a cartoons exhibition about "Muslims Minds" .It will be also use as a research and test about Muslim Tolerance. Details at:
These Iranain's are the new nazi's.Aryan people these are the originals.Who knows that Iran comes from Aryan.These are the ansestors of the nazi's what do you expect its in there blood to hate and to be jelous.They cant help it.But thank G_D THE JEWS DONT HAEV THERE BLOOD.They are already asking for a fight and they will cry when we give it to them.
So how many nobel prizes have muslims won? Jews have won 151. Muslims...one or two? Your hero physicist from Pakistan worked in the UK and I am very familiar with his work. However he contributed no new science with regard to a nuclear bomb.It is however obvious that all of Salams best work had to be performed in either Britain or Italy. Your harping back to the great days of arabic contributions, centuries ago is redundant we are talking about the last couple of centuries. You are like the Greeks harping back to the philosophy greats. Greece NOW is not the intellectual powerhouse of the world and hasnt been for centuries. The same with the Islamic world. Pakistans GNI of US $690 is truly pathetic making it very 3rd world and its technology is appropriate to its world status. Its funny how all these arab/muslim countries are living in absolute poverty but have enough money to waste on outdated weapons research
i forgot to mention i'm not arab nor iranian. nobody should have nuclear weapons . !!!!!!!!!!!I INSIST SINCERLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I THOUGHT THE CYNICAL BRITISH HUMOUR WAS MORE CREATIVE AND intelligent.but don't have any. by the way pakistani nuclear bomb is home made by physician Abduslam (nobel price).let's not talk about equations when arabs & persians were busy developping mathematics your ancestors were living graves.
If holocaust from a recent period in history with several documents incontestables is a myth, what say about Mohammed from a Middle ages history? Isaac
Poor Wahbi, Your Iranian chums are trying to master a 60 year old nuclear technology. It must be exhausting for them working through all those hard equations proposed by jewish physicists. Thats why its taking them so many years to try and understand E=mcsquared. Only an muslim can call this an achievement. Try contributing something NEW to science/technology. I know you are typing this email on your american designed/developed computer with its american made operating system on this internet developed by the Brits. The iranians have nothing to offer apart from rhetoric. Their primitive people live in poverty despite their massive oil wealth. Their civilian aircraft are falling to bits as they cant buy american replacements. Any sound iranian know with such a poor infrastructure from roads, to waste disposal it would be suicidal to build a nuclear plant, civilian or otherwise.
i gurantee you the arab pavillion of the exhibition visitors will may be appreciate the empty space but in the iranian side i can imagine the atomic bomb in the center of a bunch of zilzal missiles!!!
"Israel should stage an exhibition entitled "Arab and Iranian Contributions to Modern Science, Medicine and Technology" and hold the exhibition in an completely empty room." What a fantastic idea but there needs to be another room full of examples of all the muslim fanaticism from their early massacres all the way to their ridiculous global cartoon outburst along with the cartoons that riled them all up to the point they burned buildings and murdered yet more people. Pathetic.
Compare these two things: 1. Syrians set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus in protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. About a dozen people have died in Afghanistan; five killed in Pakistan. Muslim journalists were arrested for publishing the cartoons in Jordan, Algeria and Yemen. Body Count Total Deaths: 139 Total Injured: 823 2. OR Arresting people who question some aspects of holocoust, like European countries does. Hmmm. Number 2 seems quiet sensible in retrospect and comparison. Check this out. http://www.cartoonbodycount.com/taxonomy_menu/1/29
Compare these two things: 1. Syrians set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus in protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. About a dozen people have died in Afghanistan; five killed in Pakistan. Muslim journalists were arrested for publishing the cartoons in Jordan, Algeria and Yemen. Body Count Total Deaths: 139 Total Injured: 823 2. OR Arresting people who question some aspects of holocoust, like European countries does. Hmmm. Number 2 seems quiet sensible in retrospect and comparison. Check this out. http://www.cartoonbodycount.com/taxonomy_menu/1/29
so you think dialogue between luis & me(or us) a waste of time? just tell us an other good reason you are in this forum .your problem is that you don't accept someone's contesting anything & that the other part is not worth the dialogue:that is what the whole mega problem is about:NO ONE IS THE GOOD PARTNER FOR YOU !
exhibiting cartoons on the holocaust is not antisemitic and denying history AND ILLEGAL. in eurpoe there are laws, forbiding nazi - activities like this. it is against the constitution. so, it will be a pitty if the "west" will not distance itself CLEARLY from this exhibition.. because that would mean, that they did not really understand the value of democracy, citizenship and religious tolerance. this tolerance means NOT TOLERATING racism, antisemitism and hate. the western countries, especially europe, should protest and condem this exhibition in a western and civilised way - this means use diplomatic acceptible channels. it surely does not mean to ignore or "tolerate", or think of it as a childish move. this is not tolerable!! (and that does not mean to blow up anything, attack or be violent) i expect a clear statement from the international community and not only Yad vashem!!
Compare these two things: 1. Syrians set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus in protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. About a dozen people have died in Afghanistan; five killed in Pakistan. Muslim journalists were arrested for publishing the cartoons in Jordan, Algeria and Yemen. Body Count Total Deaths: 139 Total Injured: 823 2. OR Arresting people who question some aspects of holocoust, like European countries does. Hmmm. Number 2 seems quiet sensible in retrospect and comparison. Check this out. http://www.cartoonbodycount.com/taxonomy_menu/1/29
Dear luis, the whole thing is sooo disgusting, I would not bother to answer them. It makes me sick to the bone that after surviving the shoa I would live to see the gas ovens and camps mocked in such a cheap fashion. Dont waste your time
..."You don`t see me out on the street burning flags and shooting guns in the air..." Compare these two things: 1. Out on the street burning flag to protest as an expression of anger. 2. OR Arresting people who question some aspects of holocoust, like European countries does.
..."You don`t see me out on the street burning flags and shooting guns in the air..." Compare these two things: 1. Out on the street burning flag to protest as an expression of anger. 2. OR Arresting people who question some aspects of holocoust, like European countries does.
With respect to the president's cartoon exhibition in Teheran I only have one thought, "Gesundheit."
..."Iranian regime focuses on foreign policy to stop their population hanging their repressive leaders..." You don't know that for sure, do you? You were so disturbed by Iranians lately, because deep inside your collective sub-consciences, you were not so certain about your basis of morality in continuation of the occupation on the Arab lands. That's why you are feel so threaten everytime by whoever challenged your positions.
..."This is the LAST time I read Haaretz, EVER..." First, I thought HAARETZ was not going to publish that post. That was why I tried to posting another one. I suggest HAARETZ was struggling whether to publish it or not. But, at last congratulation HAARETZ, free expression principle of HAARETZ has won. I feel humbled by that. Very humbled.
it has been stated that in the beginning women invented religion, although, not known at the time as "religion". women with their "ways" and superstitions. began to have a following. when men saw this, they took away the power of their "ways" and invented their own "religions" and now you have what you have, people using religion to further their own agendas. it is all about "power" over the so called common folks. although i prefer to say "over the illiterate folks"
We Jews "betrayed" J.C. who was a Jew himeself. It was our internal affair and nobody's business.
Dear Wahbi (and All): Quite sure you misunderstood my title when you say "Sensational Title". I re-used the expression fiction because you DENIED the Arab Leaders-Nazis connections and NOT because I thought you denied the Holocaust itself! (remember my 1st note to you; I was glad you did not put it in question...). I definitely do NOT agree with using the Holocaust for any unrelated purpose. I also do not agree that whenever a Jew mentions the holocaust someone says he is abusing of the "Holocaust industry". Hope it is clear. Best Regards.
I noted that Iran unwittingly admits to Holocaust in its own English press. Visit this site for short article about Gunter Grass's SS membership. http://www.irannewsdaily.com/v2/home.asp?id=19&Val=ART
In many ways the Holocaust was inspired by the the Turkish genocide of the Armenians. The German military looked on carefully as it happened, because the Turks were their allies. Many leaders in the Arab world became inspired too when it came to their own minorities. If Iran mocks the Holocaust on the Jews, it does so too with the Holocaust on the Roma, the mentally and physically handicapped, from the time of the Armenian genocide and the lattest in Rwanda (or is it Darfur). And actually they do mock them all with this exhibition. It's a huge humiliation and disgrace for the Iranian people. Many Iranians abroad that I know are utterly ashamed on behalf of their beloved country.
Did not mean to leave you out. Ran out of space. Jake - we are nto talking about modern times here. But if we are - The US as the Golden Age? Interesting idea. But I would argue that the Golden Age is simply charecterized by lack of persecution. Rather, it is also epitomzed by cultural output. In modern times, I vote Israel/Palestine.
Well, it is nice to come back home and see that I got some responses. I feel like Ann Coulter here :) DVora, you seem like a smart and reasonable person. I do not think that we are at a significance disagreement. They were presenting a Still man perspective adn I responded with Mark Cohen type of answer. David - you seem like a bitter guy. But just for your information. The Macabees campign began in a defensive manner, but turned offensive soon there after. They even conquered the area of the Idumites (spelling?) and forced them to convert. But alas, it is I who does not know my history ;) Avi- I heard of Rambam, The second Moses, lived during a rare period of Muslim persection. But I ask you, where do you think his greatness would be if not for Islamic teaching in philosophy and medicine? moreover, after he escaped to Egypt was he persecuted? Or, rather was he the personal pysician to the caliph? Those horrible Muslims, never giveing a Jew a chance. Hmm.
Israel should stage an exhibition entitled "Arab and Iranian Contributions to Modern Science, Medicine and Technology" and hold the exhibition in an completely empty room.
As a Gypsy I feel disgusted by these Iranians making fun of the Holocaust. The Jewish people and my Romani people (the Gypsies) alike were uniquely targeted for complete elimination, for racial reasons, by the Nazis. My family are Gypsy Holocaust survivors. Soon there will be 6 million Jews living in Israel. No wonder Iranian neo-Nazis are eager to develop nuclear weapons and attempt another Holocaust of the Jews, this time in their homeland. Evil has a face. 50 years ago it was wearing the helmet of Nazism, later replaced by the hat of communism. Now, the face of evil is covered by the veil of Islamic extremism, sponsored by the bandit regimes of Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. There are extremists in Judaism and Christianity as well, but they are not mainstream. The Hizbollah and Hamas may be compared with the ideology of "Christian" extremists in the KKK - racist, ignorant, hateful, dangerous and ... evil!
More fundamental issue is: Christianity to my knowledge is based around sin of humanity that Jesus sacrificed himself. This is so fundamental in Christianity that nobody understands other than christians. The whole life of Jesus and his preachings goes by and comes his death as the major distinctive mark. Unbelievable!. And a new religion is born based on this issue while Jesus is long gone. This makes Christianity religion of his followers not his! So long for authentic documents.. Christ had not been involved in them anyway. How about his dying for our sins? How can you justify this? Can I or you go and do anything sinfull since we are sin free becaue Jesus is died for us?
Dear Wahbi (and All): Quite sure you misunderstood my title when you say "Sensational Title". I re-used the expression fiction because you DENIED the Arab Leaders-Nazis connections and NOT because I thought you denied the Holocaust itself! (remember my 1st note to you; I was glad you did not put it in question...). I definitely do NOT agree with using the Holocaust for any unrelated purpose. I also do not agree that whenever a Jew mention the holocaust someone says he is abusing of the "Holocaust industry". Hope it is clear. Best Regards.
The topic you two are discussing is the most siginificant in this forum. I hope to see more on this. Islamic view also included, this type of civic discussions on understanding our religions are very much needed.. Aren't there any Islamic scholars to contribute? I am sure not one.
Why and for what should all the world is asked to remember and never forget such an old event when urgent similar atrocities are now committed everywhere ???
Dearest Dvora: the origin of all the pervers reactions in that part of the world is due to an occupation. things wouldn't have been different if the occupier was not jewish:it's just an occupation and making the occupier look ugly is very legitimate.
Gospels are not regarded as historically accurate or reliable documents because they are not only non-contemporaneous, but, as said in #84 "full of contradictions". There are also a huge number of variations in Gospels through the ages.ie; they have been repeatedly edited and variously mistranslated. They are at least in large part, a work of imaginative fiction, drawing on mythologies dating back to pre Christian era and even pre Judaic era. Yes apologists have sought to mitigate these difficulties with convoluted explanations, but there are simply too many absurdities to explain away. One is entitled to believe in fairies if one so wishes, but let's not give more credence to religious fables than they obviously deserve. PS. The analogies you give of Will Durant and Gibbons Rise are proof of my point. Both of these authors works draw extensively on contemporaneous works by Greek and Roman writers and quote them. There are copious amounts to draw upon; in addition to archaeological finds corroborating written works.
Well put. I'd be surprised if any westerners complain about the Holocaust cartoon exhibition. Anyone who does is not helping us. Cartoons are not going to convince the rest of humanity that the Holocaust didn't happen, any more than cartoons about Muhammad are going to encourage any Moslems to drop their religion. I wish the Iranian government would encourage freedom of expression in other areas in the spirit of the Danish newspaper. I too enjoyed some of the Muhammad cartoons, especially the one with the blown-up suicide bombers arriving in Paradise, only to find that they have run out of virgins. As Jews, it is our tradition to poke fun of our religion, telling jokes about Moses on a golf course, etc.; I've noted Hindus, Christians, and Pagans doing likewise with respect to their own. I think Moslems need to lighten up, develop a better sense of humor.
Gospels are not regarded as historically accurate or reliable documents because they are not only non-contemporaneous, but, as said in #84 "full of contradictions". There are also a huge number of variations in Gospels through the ages.ie; they have been repeatedly edited and variously mistranslated. They are at least in large part, a work of imaginative fiction, drawing on mythologies dating back to pre Christian era and even pre Judaic era. Yes apologists have sought to mitigate these difficulties with convoluted explanations, but there are simply too many absurdities to explain away. One is entitled to believe in fairies if one so wishes, but let's not give more credence to religious fables than they obviously deserve.
What have you done lately, Ahmed? Built any cars or only blow them up? The Arab world is a cesspool of backward, uncivilized, barbaric, hateful marginal young men and abused and oppressed women...and you can't blame Israel, the Jews or the US for that!
you had almost my sympathy when you suggested me to read more history but when i saw the "sensational" title "holocaust is not a fiction" as a reply to my mail which i advice you to REREAd you deceived me .did i put the holocaust in question???? come on be honest!! you are just proving the abuse of what we call the "holocaust industry".
Germans $60 Billion hard work, terrorising other nations.
Google Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini if you seek the NAZI-Arab plan you dismiss as fiction. At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified: "The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz."
The land of Israel was stolen from the jews by Arabs in the first place read the bible and learn the history. So we just came back to get what belong to us and wqe do not need the war but the arabs always were the one who start it and cry after. Yo do not see jews crying we are people who will survive and be free nation for evere and who care what you think and all the Muslim fanatics think. They can kill each other or they can learn how to live in the 21st Century for god sake.
Since you seem to know history so well: could you do us a favour and likewise remind us of the names of prominent Zionists who collaborated with the Nazis
"Well they (the Gospels) aren`t exactly historical documents of the highest integrity are they? Written at least 60 and some, well over 100 years after the supposed events, full of contradictions.." In answer to your question: Yes, they are documents of the highest integrity. For centuries, more scholarly research and verification efforts have been expended upon them than probably any other ancient documents. If you're going to use the shopworn argument about authenticiy because of the Gospels being written 60 or 100 years after the fact, I guess you'd have to reject such works as Gibbons Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, Will Durant's works on ancient Greece and Rome and all other historical accounts by modern authors who write about events occurring thousands of years ago.
Dear Wahbi, Have you ever heard of al-Husseini -mufti of Jerusalem - and his collaboration with Nazis. Do you know he was the most important collaborator with the Nazis and an absolute Arab anti-Semite? Do you have enough knowledge about the 2nd World War and your people at that time to say I am telling fiction?? Guess you need to read more... Best Regards.
I've been trying to poet a link to some cartoons and some revisionist websites for over an hour now with no luck, though the post had nothing in it but a link. and that's a censor from the so much hated and considered anti-jewih haaretz!
do not count me among islamist, terrorist or not terrorists, I hate all religious people equally. doesn't stop me fro calling a spade a spade.
dear, jews did not only riot and threaten people in erope, they were so persistent they forced new laws to deal wth what they call "anti-semitism". holocaust cartoons or any mean to make the holocaust oh not so holy is PUNISHABLE BY LAW! do you know anything about western laws or do you just yap and yap...
why dontcha
Sure, Europe is the best place! Im sure Jews will threat the world with Jihad and destruction of other countries, and public humlation of the worse kind! Dont confuse the civilized with animals!
while the Arab world plays the Western media like a violin, with their 900 doctored photos and Pallywood productions. But some of us are not as dumb as you think.
Expecting from a states like Iraq and Iran or other brainwhashed fundamentalist from Jakarta something wise or original would be to much.They do not understand the difference betwen Mohamed and Holocaust, or maybe Muhamed means for them, what Holokaust was for us, then I understand this stupidity.
I believe the Germans call it 'schadenfreude'
Please Berndt! come out of retirement and join our constructive (duh) discussion!
Actually the world's problems would be solved if Sunnis and Shiites increased their internal problems and fight eachother. This way, It would save alot of money for the israelis and the americans, because lets face it, Muslims hate everybody, gee, they even HATE EACHOTHER for the las 1400 years!
When a cartoon came with a picture of Mohammed you all took to the streets burning on establishments of government. You blamed the Jews of the world and cried out for vengeance. But as these cartoons are protrayed, the Jewish sentiment worldwide has been more unsurprised than anything. We've learnt not to expect much more. I've read through this page and realized that many people realize that this is wrong. This is because of our intrinsic human nature of knowing between right and wrong. But you're religion is being hijacked by extremists. WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE?? If you want to be accepted into the world of the future you have to let go of old hateful beliefs and move forward in an effort to bring peace to the world and codemn disgusting behaviour. Otrocities happen in history because good people stay quiet - Raise your voice, and fight for your mind.
"These are freedoms and protections that Jews living under christianity would have loved to have had. It is not by accident that the Golden Age of diaspora Jewry happened on Muslim soil." If this is so, as the detractors keep reminding us, why is it that 100 years ago there were more than 12 million Jews in Christendom, and 850,000 in Moslemdom. And here's another small detail for you. Most authorities agree that the Golden age of Jewish diaspora has been in AMERICA, not in Moslem soil. Did you forget Rambam fled from Moslem Spain for his life? Ever read 'Iggeret Teiman'? How many pogroms in America against Jews in the last 350 years?
I agree to certain extend with you. Not all Muslims are terrorist, however, most terrorist are MUSLIMS, which is a sad truth. Jews used to slaughter their prophets, you could be right on that, however, that was about 2000 years ago!!!! I sure hope that people become more civilized since then. And about Jesus, at the time there were laws that citizens needed to abide to, Jesus broke the law and was trialed under ROMAN LAW!!! And by the way, Jesus had to die under the cross, because according to Christianity, this event was bound to happen, even Jesus knew that his action would bring him to his cricifiction! I think you and Mel Gibson should be friends!
she, to answer your confusion. anywhow, the test was to see whether western media would publish these cartoons. I do agree with you though that it's a silly test, because while insulting islam is controversil in the west, revisionnig the holocaust is a crime punishable by law. don't know what britain you live in, but surely not the one where i was told off for laughing at a jew's hair.it looked funy mind you.
Innocent??? It is the Lebanese government that allows a Terrorrist Organization in their parlament and in their houses, specially in the South! Lets think for one second where could be the best place to let a Terrorist group live??? Oh yes! right next to Israel! That makes sense!! If you (as a civilian of Lebanon)allow a group that is planning attacks (agressors) on israeli civilians, should these acomplices still be considered innocent or part of the plan? The latter sounds better!
Unfortunately confused is really that. He/she/it cannot seperate issues. Jews, Israel, the west havent harmed anyone over the cartoon issue at all. There are no riots. There are no tantrums. Wars with arabs are another issue but the Iranian president set out the cartoons as a challenge to western tolerance and the west past. Its hilarious to see muslims/leftists tell me black is white because it disagrees with their agenda. This is why no one can take you seriously. Facts and logical argument are irrelevant to you..invention of history, lies and propoganda feed you. It is a pleasant feeling to be so intellectually superior to you.
hhe civilized reaction?! israelis do not need to protest, they simply shoot anyone involved! very civilized indeed. websites publishing holocaust revision ad cartoons are simply blocked matey,please spare us. all religious are alike!
he west will not react?! but israel will! read about SEO's !!!!!
Historically There is an earthquake in Tehran every 150 years. The last documented one happened 175 years ago. There will a big one soon and Iranainas will get the righfully earned heavenly punishment.
One must not forget that the current Muslims expelled the original Persians who were Zoroastrians, they live an exile similar to the Jews did in India. It's high time the Zorastrians got back their land from the Shiite entity.
Amer, your words...And finally for your information The only remaining civilization with its science, art and teachings is Islam, ask your historians.... this is LAUGHABLE! Perhaps this was true a thousand years ago, but in todays world, thanks to religious fanatics like hezbollah and Ahmad Inejad, Islam has made a mockery of its previous accomplishments! Suicide bombers, beheadings, oppression of women, religious intolerance, so....this is your concept of civilization?????
WHAT's a dhimmi? many times i see people using this word but nobody seems to use it in it's real sense: in arabic we say "ahl dhimma" literarly the people under responsability,it can be used also to name a chief'responsabilities toward his family :all non moslems under islamic "khalifat" had this administrative social statut,they had to pay taxes because they were not obliged to pay "zakat"which is an islamic duty(moslems were inclined to it).i think it was already the beginning of the steps toward secularism 14 centuries ago.
I lost my parents and almost my entire family at Auschwiz. Cartoons describe "funny" occasions. Who who laughs over the graves of murdered innocent human beings will eventually perish. To wit: Hman in ancient times. Hitler and Co. in more recent times. Historally, it has always been that ther Jews were the first victims. Thereafteer the rest of the world paid a tremendous prize to bring back stable conditions...to last for a while. So, many of us will be around "the next time" when Jews are victimized.
seriousy, no offense mates, but them cartoons are real funny (both the ones on muslims, and the one about the holocaust). religious cartoons are the best!!!!
I feel sorry for all the Iranians that fell into the TRAP of a devil called Ahmadinejad. Ali, it is obvious that you have been brain-washed, influenced by his MAD behaviour, and think that the numbers are exaggeration. Educate yourself,travel, visit the places where you can get a semce of reality insteat of listening to a fanatic crazy leader.
Surely this is an open invitation for the West to print more prophet cartoons. I'm still waiting for the jewish riots over these cartoons! No...still waiting..still none...Thats how to behave when people ridicule your beliefs/history. Dignified. No riots, no murders, no beheadings....welcome to the civilised world.
It is true that there were times in Spain where we Jews lived well under the Moslems, but the situation was essentially as follows: Jews were in Spain with the Romans, with the conversion of the Visigoth invaders to Catholicism the Jews were persecuted and almost completely wiped out. The Jews returned with the Moslem Abbasid invaders but were persecuted and decimated by the Almohades at the beginning of the ninth century. The Rambam (Miamonides) was one of those who had to flee and found refuge in Cairo. The Jews returned with the Reconquista were they role was important to the rulers and their position was relatively much better than our fellow Jews in other parts of Europe, UNTIL 1391 when an effective anti-Jewish campaign initiated by the Church under Ferrand Martinez cause one third to be murdered, one third converted and one third expelled. The coup de grace came 100 years later with the expulsion. We Jews can only rely on ourselves, now and in History.
Dvora: your question is easy to answer. Look at it this way: - if anything good happens to Jews, it's Jewish propaganda because it makes Jews look good. - if anything bad happens to Jews it's Jewish propaganda because it makes the world feel sorry for them - if anything bad happens to Arabs it's per definition Israel's fault and therefore Jewish propaganda because Israel is Jewish. - if anything good happens to Arabs it's Jewish propaganda because it would hide Israel's crimes - if a.... hmm, can't think of more at the moment - but I guess you get the idea: In some people's ideas EVERYTHING is Jewish propaganda. Don't even try to reason with it. It's of no use. Worse, they'll probably see THAT as Jewsish propaganda, too... Ok, now I'm really out of here! See you later, folks, and keep up the constructive discussions (duh...)
Just my 2 cents' worth before dropping outa gain: Should we hold a "cartoon exhibition" here in good old ever-so-tolerant (...) Holland? I suggest 3 Main Halls: 1 hall with anti-Muslim carricatures, 1 hall with anti-Christian cartoons and 1 with anti-Jewish ones (sicne the first two are anti-religion I suggest the third as anti-Jew, not anti-Holocaust)? We could then hold a race and bet which hall would be burned down or bombed first... Sounds like an interesting case to see who's MOST intolerant.... But then again, do we really care to know? Because whoever would come out as most-intolerant would immediately claim that the other two caused that intolerance in the first place... yawn. so boring. good night.
"Stop denying the obvious facts of history, unless, of course, you view the Gospel accounts as mere myth."? Hollingsworth. Well they aren't exactly historical documents of the highest integrity are they? Written at least 60 and some, well over 100 years after the supposed events, full of contradictions and only canonised some 200 years after being written, many other gospels having been rejected. In reality, the Reformation disputes between Roman Catholics and evangelical Protestants, over, say, the Eucharist, pale into insignificance compared with the anarchy of early Christianity. As Prof Ehrman explains, in the second and third centuries there were Christians who believed that there was one God and others who thought there were two, or 30, or 365. If they knew so very little of the truth then, how are we to discern the truth now, nearly 2000 years later!
I remember hearing about this at the time of all the mass protests over the Danish cartoons. It turns out that the Pig Cartoon never existed. Apparently, Imam Ahmad Abu Ladan of The Islamic Society of Denmark threw this picture in because the genuine Danish cartoons didn't sufficiently arouse fury in the masses. Here is the story: http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54
In response to paraclete from karachi, it is all of us who crucified our Lord Jesus Christ--not just Jews. it is because of our sins--all humanity, from Adam to the last human being until the 2nd coming of Christ who are responsible. So I want you to stop propagating this lie against the Jews. They are our elder brothers in the faith.
...presenting themselves as viscious fascist nobrainers... let them...
21 Million Russians died. about 8 to 9 Million Polish people died and countless other. Where is the Sympathy for them? This getting mileage from an old wound and deriving moral justification for its wrong doings. Abused bunch of people creating another bunch of abused people.
The Jews were prominent supporters & financiers of the prophet Mohammed, who viewed his efforts as social activism. When he rose to power and the Jews failed to convert to his new faith, he turned against them. From that point in the Koran, the Jews are vilified. Mohammed's ingratitude for Jewish support, his desire to be worshipped and his demonizing all who do not are classic examples of well-meaning, even brilliant individuals, who become fascist egomaniacs. The wonderful "tolerance" of Jews under early Islam may have been preferable to Jewish treatment by European Christian society, but the sword of vengeance for failing to conver to Mohammed's faith always hung over their heads, even then. Most religion preaches exclusivity and intolerance and, in the case of Islam, hate. All the words about Islam being a "peace-loving" religion are wishful thinking.
Show me one country in the world where Muslims live in peace? They're not even at peace with each other. Or does peace to you mean hanging young girls for crimes against chastity, plucking peoples eyes out for seeing things they shouldn't have seen? Waging war against defenceless people in Ethiopia, Sudan, Kenya, Afgahnistan, Iraq, Turkey, The Phillipines, Algeria, Morroco? And the tolerance you write of, does that include the eviction from a moving train of Jews in Iraq, before the invasion. Islam doesn't mean peace, it never has. It's a violent religeon practiced by the hateful. Who coincidentally have contributed a sum total of zero to the advancement of humanity for more than 1000 years.
If you reaaly want to undrestand ialamtry the following: if a shite moslem kills seven sunnis , he goes to heaven. and if a sunni kills three shites he will go to heaven. and you dont undrestand the massive killings in iraq?
God gives and God takes away. All of it, every grain IS His! And always will be. If the human race could just grasp this concept, we may just have a chance of survival.
The issue here is not who killed Jesus, if he was a prophet false or not. The issue here is blatent antisematism and the fact that people here are using Jesus as an argument only confirms and reinforces that! We're talking about a display of racist pictures and you're talking about who killed Jesus?! and assuming a Jew did turn him in to the Romans like so many other prophets at the time, does that mean that all Jews are bad? that the sins of my ancestors are my sins as well? it's a petty argument brought up by those who are so biased they need to argue. did the muslims kill Jesus? no they weren't around at the time, but that's not the point but that's not the point. because when Jews are involved you can say anything you want and get away with it right? Soon you'll say we put blood in matza.
Roi, life was not so great under Islam. Sometimes it was okay, other times it was terrible, with forced conversions, etc. The dhimmi laws were meant to humiliate. So Jews got to work and be Jews? Wow, isn't that enlightened treatment! By the way, the Book of the Maccabees -- which is from 2,000 years ago -- describes a revolt of people on their own land against a foreign invader who wouldn't even let them worship as Jews and who had desecrated their holiest places. It was not a book of conquest. If you try to use that as some kind of proof that Jews have not been a peaceful people for the past 2,000 years (and before that, too, for the most part), then you are really whacked. Maybe you think that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising "shows" the Jews as being warlike? You are not talking sense, only trying to score "points" that do not hold up to intellectual scrutiny. But unfortunately, so much of this talkback has descended to exactly that: ranting soundbites without real inquiry.
The history of Jews under islam is still being debated--as we know history is documented-but interpreting of documents is, unfortunately, never really neutral and objective, Anyway one example the Meshaddurian Jews of Persia (sure that spelling is wrong) forced conversion-practiced Judaism in secret-had a period of relative freedom--have mostly relocated to the United States. I believe different points of view of this Golden age of Islam- are portrayed in books by Stillman and Cohen.
waoww luis!! i'm curious to know more about this nazi-arab plan to exterminate jews.never heard of such fiction. i know one fact:moroccan king Mohammad V was dictated by vichy regime to dress up a list of moroccan jews for the known purposes(morocco was under french protectorat)king Mohammad V replied:I HAVE ONLY MOROCCANS NO MOSLEMS OR JEWS this is something we learn in moroccan schools and we were so proud of the great dimensions of such lesson.
Thanks for writting. Some misinformation on your part: The golden age was not only in the Iberian Peninsula it was also in the area of today's Iraq, Egypt, Israel, Syria. There are many documents that testify to this for Jews living under Abbasid rule (Iraq). As to forced conversations and exile - what do you have in mind? I can think of three such occosaions under Medival Islam (in spain and Egypt) and they were cleary an abberation of Muslim law and history. All is not equal, and did not depend on the whmis of a ruler. Jews living under Christinaity simply did not have the freedoms and protections that I spoke about. They did not have freedom of movement or occupation. They did not have the protection of general law. Rather, they had seperate "Jewish laws" that they had to live by (see Justinian Code). Moreover, they lived in a society that (from bottom to top) understood them to be agents of evil. For these reasons they suffered a great deal more under Christian rule
problem is they won't look in the mirror and noone's really holding one up to them. problem is when it's about the Jews it's justified
primo:you never blamed moslems verbally about the holocaust but you made them pay all your bills. secondo:the approch between the holocaust & the unfamous danish cartoons(not of the same quality as the danish butter cookies)may sounds obvious but the principal is challenging how far " your holly freedom of speech" can tolerate the fact of breaking the lonely western tabou (the holocaust)after having theirs(presention of Mahomet as a bomb)already broken.
It seems to me that your response is a preprogramed one used by elements within the Islamic World to encourage a sense of opposition to western values. What you fail to understand, and what Islamic extremists use to their advantage is the concept of a western attack on all of Islam in order to illicit a type of knee jerk reaction by people when confronted with a perceived existential threat. This is not a war between Western values and Islam. This is a war between the values of freedom and democracy and equality and extremism in all its forms. And in response to your support of Hizbollah- it is truly amazing to me that you support an organization whose supposed raison detre is a 25 sq. km piece of land that the UN recognizes is an occupied part of Syria and not Lebanon. It simply demonstrates to the world that no matter what Israel does- some Islamic elements will never accept Israel, and will regard every overture of peace as a sign of weakness.
After dragging Israelis and Lebanese into war, his game of outraging all Israelis and most of the worlds Jews continues. Provocative talking about Israel?s' destruction and Shoah denial is, by now, paying back for this monstrosity which is the imperialistic shia-fascit theocracy in Tehran. With every rhetoric or real fire they provoke, more oil money is pouring in for their global shia-domination strategic agenda. This monster has, for now, managed to refine the ultimate tactical weapon against western open society, as it has begun to test it upon Israel: indiscriminate rocket war through militarized terrorist proxy armies imbedded within the population of the sacrificed country (preferably Arab) and let the western rules of the war "win" it for you. As for their ambitions within Islamic "brotherly" countries like Irak, just kill at will. Unless Israel doesn't come up with a completely new thinking about facing this complex geopolitical phenomenon, those who point their fingers only at Israel from the cosiness of their lay, open western societies they live in and take for granted, might be in for a big ?surprise?, as the ?sheik? enjoys announcing.
The golden age of Jews under Islam was on the Iberian peninsula from the 1oth century. They were invited to settle there by the caliph at the time. However, that was not the case for the all of the Islamic lands--and certainly not for longer than a couple of centuries. Sorry but the history of Islam and Jews is similar to that of Europe. Benevolent ruler--Jews protected. Not a benevolent ruler-forced conversions, exile etc. And-community rule was also possible in Europe until the Enlightenment. But if in court against a Christian in Europe or a Muslim in Mideast-the dominant court usually had jurisdiction. So historian was more correct than you think
Europe 'transferred' the problem. Maybe so -- but as North African and other Middle Eastern countries gained their independence after World war II--they also 'transferred' their problem--made life miserable enough that Jews left en mass. by the time of the first intifada 50 percent of the population of Israel was from Muslim countries. (It's gone down now with increased immigration from former USSr). Of course, with propaganda in mind not all Mideast countries transferred the problem--at least not to Israel. Syrian Jews have difficulty leaving--and may not go to Israel.
Where can we view this exhibit on-line?
The Christian Gospels make it abundantly clear that the Romans merely acted as agents for the Jews in carrying out the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The Jewish leaders saw in Jesus the end of their power and influence. Stop denying the obvious facts of history, unless, of course, you view the Gospel accounts as mere myth.
Dear Historian, You too are slightly mistaken. By our standards today, under Islam the jews were treated as second class citizens. This is true, but we need to also remember that they were also granted many freedoms: freedom of religious worship, freedom of occupation, freedom of movement (except in Mecca and Madina), freedom of self-rule, and protection of law. These are freedoms and protections that Jews living under christianity would have loved to have had. It is not by accident that the Golden Age of diaspora Jewry happened on Muslim soil. For these freedoms, the Jews (and other minorities) payed taxes (land and poll tax) and followed certain restrictions (although not all of them were reinforced), but we must remember that we are dealing with Medival times, and Medieval values. As to the Jews being a peacful people and not having an army - Here you are also slightly mistaken. Read the book of the Maccabees (to give just one example).
Somehow I don't follow the thought process here. Are you being sarcastic? I agree that if the Iranians wanted to challenge the west they would pick on Jesus or perhaps the Enlightenment philosophers--icons of western mentality. But the Holocaust--why would the west get up in arms--they are embarrassed about having done it - but to be honest they didn't then, and don't so much now--care about what happens to Jews. So yeah the danish cartoons weren't a Jewish thing--they were European. But it works for Iran to attack the Jews cause in a way it converts Europeans to their side--many of them would like to deny it. But how is Iran creating this exhibit in any way Jewish propaganda?
Why do we fall for western leaders' lies when they say "Islam is the religion of peace". It is not a religion of peace. It is the religion of SUBMISSION, of subjugation, of control, of fear, of threats, of surrendering one's free will to the supposed 'will of Allah'. That's what the word Islam means. The word Israel means the complete opposite. It means UPRIGHT WITH GOD. The book of Genesis, shows that when Jacob wrestled with the angel all night, and refused to stop until he received the blessing, Jacob's name was changed to Israel, "because you have contended with God and with mortals and prevailed".
Well what you said is very contradictory and kind of lame.. you said you wont go and shoot guns but u ask goverment to take action..we already saw your actions in Iraq and Afghanistan and you tried in Lebanon..you action kills people.. as for the arab;s action they are just in the street..shooting a few rounds and breakin a few windows.. if i had to chose I would love to shoot a gun in the air than shoot and kill children like you and your goverment are doing .. Never the less .. I am Shia3 Muslim and big supporter of Hizbolla .. but i completely disagree with the cartoons or making fun of any historical event or religion.. i treat people like i want them to treat me .. with respect.. but unfortunatly USA and Israel Fail to understand our arabic wourld and want to impose their ideas that will never work in this part of the world..our civilisation is thousands of years old..you are the last people to teach us how to behave or live..We Invented Culture..Art..Medecin and all kind civiliz
******** "Iran launches exhibition of Holocaust cartoons as 'test of Western tolerance'" ******** On this the Islamo RAGs are CORRECT. In a modern society NOTHING should be SACRED, and all can and should be subject to points of views - the majority in the community at large will react according to CAUSE. The Gods are Great.
I repeat: for the last 106 years the overwhelming contribution to humanity is crude oil, hate and terror. And this is because since the medieval years of your peak accomplishments, you banned critic and laic thinking and slipping endlessly into fanaticism, backwardness, and self pity motivated hatred to the rest of the world who did the contrary. Your blood thirsty commentaries are a perfect proof.
Please don't misunderstand the fact that neither Israel or the USA will riot in the streets over this. It's not because this kind of gesture is acceptable behavior. It is not. It's because we understand that one day, each will answer to our creator for what they have done and we are willing to leave room for the judgment of the Almighty, be it mercy or be it wrath. We understand what we are made of and what we are subject to. And that every man is made of and subject to the same.
You are slightly mistaken- you say "islam is a religion of peace which protects the interests of minorities"-history tells us that the dhimmi (non muslims) were treated as second class citizens, forced to wear distinictive clothing, and were kept from owning property and working in most fields. you ask "who tried to crucify jesus?"-scholars will assert (such as All of them) that jesus was tried/killed by the romans, not the jews.another question "were the jews ever a peaceful people?"- uhm- yeah, for two thousand years, plus a couple thousand more. Despite calls otherwise, especially from ancient texts, jerusalem/ israel were extremely tiny, and extremely weak compared to most states (Babylon, egypt,etc.). in fact, evidence suggests that even during the time of ancient israel's period of freedom, that they were still just merely a vassal state. as for the two thousand years we were all pushed around in Europe,we never had an army, and in most cases, weren't allowed to own weapons.
it is the stupidity of reporter such as Mike walace that gives illeterate people such as Ahmadinejad credibility. intelligent people should boycott Mike walace and his stupid interviews,in order to teach him a lesson.
Mr Ali, is very good to hear an Iranian going against Ahmadinejad insane positions about Holocaust. HOEWEVER you need to understand (please be open and hear...) that Israel is not using Holocaust to justify military actions. We jews WERE but ARE NOT Holocaust victims anymore. We are now strong and will fight whenever needed to preserve our people and land. 2nd: You said "Holocaust has not been done by the people of Middle East but it seems that they are paying for that now": Here is the fact: Arabs had a very strong relationship with nazis on their plan to exterminate jews. PLEASE DO NOT simplify History! I am open to her from you. Thanks and Shalom.
If they are testing our tolerance, I'll think they'll find we're farrrr more tolerant than them. You don't see me out on the street burning flags and shooting guns in the air. Nonetheless, this just reveals how barbaric this government is. Holocaust cartoon?! It's so disgusting it's almost laughable--until you realize these people want a nuclear weapon. When will the Western world wake up and take some action against this sick sick society?
If the Iranian cartoon exib. is to challenge the west - then adress it to the western countries. What has holocaust got to do about this? Holocaust was a western cruelty and I Guess we never blamed muslims for it. The danish cartoons were not a Jewish thing. But to all of you conspiracy theory supporters: I/ we are wrong again. It 's all jewish propaganda.
Okay, it is perfectly reasonable to argue that the founding of Israel and the Zionist movement were bad ideas, but you have to appreciate that it is not 1947 any more and we can't just undo the founding of a country. Expelling the Jews from Israel makes no more sense than expelling all whites from the Americas or expelling the Arabs from North Africa.
"Who tried to crucify Jesus? Was it the Muslims?" No, actually it was the Romans. Keep up.
And this great Muslim 'advance' includes state sponsored hate? Assuming this is the majority view of the Muslim world (& I sincerely hope & pray it is NOT), would it be any surprise if there was a violent anti-Muslim backlash on the streets of Europe? This is the fear many of us have; i.e. 'regular' people (not politicians) take to the streets & start race riots. It has happened on small, containable, scales in the UK & France recently. I fear it will get worse. Achmedinajad does not exactly help matters, neither to commentators such as 'Serenity'.
Brave, Accurate, convincing Paraclete, i ask God to grow more strong people like you. Yes Jesus didn?t Die, and The Jews - killers of prophets - tried to kill him, they carry same mentality until now, no rules, no ethics, no justice, until next Nabukhaz Nassar comes and feeds them to Lions for what they did and continue to do. no matter how long this takes, it will happen again, the beautiful patience. As for mr. Isaac Leal, A huge event is taking place now in Manchester to prove the contributions Islam and Muslims to humanity and science. This convention is questioning why Western civilization denied the science passed by Muslims, and was assigned to other scholars. check: MuslimHeritage.org and 1001inventions.com for our remaining civilization. And finally for your information The only remaining civilization with its science, art and teachings is Islam, ask your historians
not only to transfer the problem but as someone said:the blind unconditional support of the USA to Israel is the greatest form of antisemism:just to keep the jews far away like a contagiuos pest.
The best is to ignore those actions. These primitve trials to provoke the west are just stupid. Our reaction is the only thing they want - like stupid little children. There is no difference! The Arab leaders are begging for love, but they didn't get it, so the try to arouse attention with terror. Every reaction, every comment is their success!
You cannot compare what happend in Libanon to the Holocaust. Nothing can be compared what the Nazis did during Worl War II, and I am not talking only about the killing of Jews! You should inform yourself better about the Holocaust...
Hey Paraclete, you're the typical "tolerant" and "enlightnened" muslim, that you wrote about in your posting. This may be why the muslim world has been in the dumps for centuries, and will continue there.
There is much truth in your words. The mortal menace Jews experienced all along their European (and above all Russian) Diaspora culminating with the Shoah led to the creation of modern Israel. The "managing" of this event by its Arab neighbours since 1947 constantly fed back the Israelis? feeling they are under existential assault, with the ensuing response. On top of it, the conflict has been high jacked all along by outside players according to their own ambitions: USSR and USA in the cold war, and now the theocracy in Tehran in confrontation of the Sunnis and the West.
i'd love to insist on the mail i send to dick van den doel intercepted by your censorship: so we can not always wip on the same victims.
but you forget that the holocaust occurs in europe,the arabs have no blood on their hand's and the jews have been send to palestine from europeen contries to transfer the problem.
Where was you during the last month? On a trip to the moon? If you haven't noticed The Muslim world is growing so fastly that your world is changing under your own eyes. The world of June 2006 and August 2006 are completely different. What you've done in centuries, we're doing it in decades. But as Jesus (pbuh) said: "Blind and deaf they do not see nor hear".
Before making comments like that, remember where you are from. This is the LAST time I read Haaretz, EVER. I simply cannot believe that posts like these are allowed. enough!
Mr. Paraclete: if we make a mockery of Islam we are issued with 'fatwa' or worse. Please keep your views to yourself. Perhaps a trip to Yad Va Shem would sober you up somewhat? Haaretz: allowing this kind of post is couter-productive & in poor taste.
are justifying jesus's kiling by the jews because he was the (false messiah)? by excluding moslems'faith you have the monopol of the thruth? all this folklore won't bring us to PEACE !! please don't turn this forum to a yeshiva or a medersa.
you should underline this point to your "Christians United for Israel" friends. Not sure they will appreciate your statement.
Should we expect anything less from Ahmedinajad? The civilised world isn't taking him too seriously by all accounts: no burning of the Iranian flag, no street protests calling for Christian or Jewish 'Holy War' against the exhibition sponsors, no 'Fatwa', no destruction of Iranian embassies or cultural missions. Equating a cartoon of the 'prophet' with the ACTUAL genocide of millions of people is just plane rediculous, as evidenced by the non-reaction of most of the world. The Iranian 'leadership' need to grow up fast.
I find #2's statement to be an uninformed rant against the Muslim religion. What I think needs to be pointed out is that the state of Israel is built on a perversion of Judaism. Jewish fundamentalists (zionists)have perverted the message of Judaism & have made it a violent religion. This is very clear when you see how 'Israel' was created. Land was stolen (& is still being stolen today) from under our Palestinian brothers & sisters. The worst thing about this is that the Palestinians weren't even thought of as human beings (the Jews were 'a people without a land' and Palestine was seen as 'a land without a people'). The Holocaust was terrible thing. Something like that should never happen again & it is not something to laugh about. Yet, it is also not something to be used as an excuse by Jewish fundamentalists to do what Israel has been doing to Palestinians and now the Lebanese. Think about it, who are the real fundamentalists?
Arabs have street demonstrations because Muslims like crowds. We see this in Mecca too. Other people like crowds too and that's why they go to football matches. It gives a sense of security and ecstasy. It doesn't mean they are right just because they are angry. It just means that they are angry. That's partly to do with the hot weather, rhetoric, poor governments, Islamic narrative of history, sexual repression (boys club only!), one-sided journalism and that they governments allow them to protest about foreign issues, but not so much for internal issues. I never saw liberals demonstrate violently.
Indrajaya, there is a reason that this kind of thing is banned in Europe. Apparently you think this is intolerant. You do so because of your own Sunni Muslim political agenda. I hope you learn some self awareness. The behaviour of Ahmedinejad is childish and is the kind of stupidity we see from North Korea and other isolated regimes. Instead of dealing with their own problems of unemployment and drug usage, Iranian regime focuses on foreign policy to stop their population hanging their repressive leaders. We'll take care of ourselves, because we have too, but I feel more sorry for Iranians.
You say the jews used to slaughter their own prophets, then continued on to say we killed Jesus. I hate to point to your ignorance, but Jesus is the Christian Messiah. Some Jews might agree to the fact that a man named Jesus lived and was a Jew. But if anything, he was, and always will be, a false messiah. You're getting confused with your own religion, Islam, which claims to be the evolution of both Judaism and Chritianity, and therefore accepts both of their prophets, however, as I mentioned above, Jesus was and always will be a False messiah to the Jews. Hope this has clarified things for you.
Provocative talking about Israel?s' destruction and Shoah denial is, by now, paying back for this monstrosity which is the imperialistic shia-fascit theocracy in Tehran. With every rhetoric or actual fire they provoke, more oil money is pouring in for their global shia-domination strategic agenda. This monster has, for now, managed to refine the ultimate tactical weapon to begin the destruction of western open society, as it's begun to be tested upon Israel: make extermination war through militarized terrorist proxy armies imbedded within the population of the sacrificed country (preferably Arab) and let the western rules of the war "win" it for you. As for their ambitions within Islamic "brotherly" countries like Irak, just kill at will. Unless Israel doesn't come up with a completely new thinking about facing this complex geopolitical phenomenon, those who think that the lay, open societies they live in are for granted, might be in for a big ?surprise?, as the ?sheik? enjoys announcing.
And even not all Arabs are the same! And don't forget a big part of Israelis are actually Arabs!
So what? it's against the law! At least you will be put only in prison. If a western man sleeps in Iran with a woman he will be sentenced to death... But sorry, I forgot, we have to be tolerant and understanding...
I don't understand the arab way of thinking Israel doesn't exist they constantly proclaim However everything is the fault of Israel The Holocaust is a myth and never happened according to Ahmadinejad Yet they spend all this time and money on a cartoon exhibition about something that never happened Can someone please explain to me how to read between the lines in this language
It doesn't matter if Islam is a religion of peace or if any other religion is... It matters what people do out of it. And it's a fact that most people in this world would live in peace together if it wasn't for stupid governments and religious leaders. and it's also a fact that a lot of today's violence stems from religious conflicts. People should be more careful and seperate between religion and politics and individuals and states..
If the Host wants to test the western tolerance, do it in Europe. And you better prepare yourself to be jailed for years. That's for sure.
in my opinion Dante would give the best answer about this exhibition: "non ti curar di loro ma guarda e passa" that more or less in english is "don't worry for them but get a look and walk away". this exhibithion is a pathetic sign to get seemed tolerant iranians when they aren't. benny from italy ps in my country silent majority people are with israel. keep on going israel!!
You are so wright! Islam is the same as 1400 years ago. While the rest of the humanity has made efforts to civilise itself by separating religion and state, the vast majority of you are still in the early middle ages. The contributions of the islamic world to humanity in the 20 and 21st centuries up to now are crude oil+hate+terror. And you, with your thinking in pathetic received slogans are the perfect explanation why that is.
it's true that jewish way of reacting on such events will be more "civilized":getting USA & the rest of the "civilized world" embargo Iran economically(medecines) just they did to Irak & get half a million dead children.so jews won't have to demonstrate on streets and burn flags and that is the only option left to economically impotent moslems.
John, Chapter 19: 6: When the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out, "Crucify him, crucify him!" Pilate said to them, "Take him yourselves and crucify him, for I find no crime in him." 7: The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he has made himself the Son of God." OH THIS NEW TESTAMENT IS SO "ANTI_SEMITIC"!!! PLEAAAAAASEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
As an Iranian I do not agree with what Ahmadinejad is claiming about Holocaust. Of course I am not sure about the number of people who had been killed and I think they are exaggerating BUT even if 100 Jewish people had been killed there because they were Jewish, it is a disaster. I should add that in my opinion, Holocaust is not a property of Israel and the way that Israel government uses it to prove and justify his activities is a shame. The crime of Holocaust has not been done by the people of Middle East but it seems that they are paying for that now.
Thanks but i already know: Nobody. Nobody killed Jesus. If he had been killed, there would be no second coming. He ascended to heaven and he's going to return soon to tell you who TRIED to kill him.
In Sweden they never talk about President Achmedinyans provocative behaviour. Cartoon pictures of the Holocaust just shows the world what a lame politician he is. He really should come to Yad vashem and see what really happened.
The maximum respons to the exibition and to Mr. Ahmadinejad should be to reward him by sending him a lolly-pop!
After dragging Israelis and Lebanese into war, his game of outraging all Israelis and most of the worlds Jews continues. Provocative talking about Israel?s' destruction and Shoah denial is, by now, good in every sense for this monstrosity which is the imperialistic shia-fascit theocracy in Tehran. With every rhetoric or actual fire they provoke, more oil money is pouring for their global shia-domination strategic agenda. This monster has, for now, managed to refine the ultimate tactical weapon to begin the destruction of western open society, as it's begun to be tested upon Israel: make extermination war through militarized terrorist proxys imbedded within the civilians of the country you are disposed to sacrifice (preferably Arab) and let the western rules of war "win" it for you. As for their ambitions within Islamic "brotherly" countries like Irak, just kill at will. As the "sheik" likes to say, the west is in for a lot of "surprises".
Of course the West and Israel won't react angrily by this exhibition, because it would be so shameful to do that after all of these events siince last years. However, lets held such kind of the exhibition in Europe, and see what would happen to the HOST.
Dear Paraclete Im so happy that you're actually confirming one of the most wellknown anti-semitic prejudies during the entire history. Please go back to the books and figure out who really killed Jesus.
well well.. doesn't look like the west is raising as much as an eyebrow regarding Iran's pathetic 'testing' of western tolerance. i dont see massive jewish demonstrations i dont see street violence i dont see any uproars i'll leave it up to u to draw the necessary conclusions
Right Larry, you dont need the recognition of the Shiites or the Shiite "Entitiy" or of Muslims as a whole. You need to be left alone to go on invading and bombing Muslim countries!
the iranians are increasingly becoming the petulent child who pushes his parents to the edge to see how far he can go before he gets reprimanded. by putting on this obvious "ne, ne ne ne ne" exhibition, the pathetic iranians are just asking for the whole thing to blow up in their face when they see the complete lack of reaction from the western world they are trying to "test." if they're seeking irrational, hateful and moronic actions, they should just look in the mirror.
The Iranian president does not relly care what the western countries thonk about him. Just paying dangerous play. Hope it turns to be a boomerang for him am#nd hope not yo late for the western world.
There's no Islam of today or Islam of yesterday. Islam is the same as it was 1400 years ago. It is a religion of peace which protects the interests of minorities living in Muslim states. Islam does not promote terrorism against Jews or Christians but wants to see them live in harmony with Muslims. Unfortunately there are some intolerant and even violent Muslims just as there are such followers in every religion. If you have any doubts, read up on Jewish history. Were the Jews ever a peaceful people? They used to slaughter their own prophets. Who tried to crucify Jesus? Was it the Muslims?
I think the rest of the world could care less about this exhibition, especially if its goal is simply to provoke a reaction from "the west." There are many ways to react to and depict an event like the Holocaust. In the US there are adult children of Holocaust survivors who do controversial stand-up comedy shows about their experiences growing up in such families--yet another way of processing and dealing with what happened. If the Holocaust never happened, as Iran's president claims, why would his country bother to have an exhibition on it--even one that seeks to belittle the tragedy? Ironic!
to Dik, I suggest you save your tears for a visit to Lebanon to get a close hand look at the TERRORISM applied by a rogue state that claims to be a comprised of the holocaust. I dare you to get your team of Dutch Christians to go to Beirut NOW to witness the TRUE holocaust against the innocent - or maybe you don't believe the Arabs are worthy of the term - INNOCENT???
He wants to perform genocide on the Jewish people. I am sure that G-D will judge him with all the others.
Israel and the Jewish people do not need the recognition or sympathy of the Shiite Entity east of Iraq, or its delusional leaders. We don't have to recognize them either. It's time we stop explaining and defending.
The President of Iran will probably be suprised that Westerners will not likely make a big deal about the cartoons understanding them to be childish attempts at unnecessary retaliation. It is unfortunate that they are likely not to be thought provoking nor truly interesting. I saw the cartoons which caused such outrage amongst the Muslims and really couldn't understand why. The one that seemed to cause the most problems I thought was the best...it showed that Muslim Fundamentalists have perverted the message of Islam and are trying to make it a violent religion. While Jews were never equal in Islamic countries, in many of them our ancestors were reasonably well treated. Obviously the Islam of the past was more tolerant than the Islam of today. Perhaps the Iranian President should think about that!
the president of the Iranian Republic who denies the Holocaust is a great danger in the region. By denying this fact he influes the Arab masses who blindly believe him. I visited Yad Vashem in Jerusalem 2 month ago with a group of Dutch Christians. We were all deeply impressed of the evidences we saw. He should come to the museum himself to see the truth, but I am afraid this is wishful thinking.SHALOM Dik 69 yrs.