IDF order will enable mass deportation from West Bank
A new IDF order aimed at preventing infiltration is going into effect, may affect thousands of Palestinians.
By Amira Hass Tags: Israel news West Bank IDFA new military order aimed at preventing infiltration will come into force this week, enabling the deportation of tens of thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank, or their indictment on charges carrying prison terms of up to seven years.
When the order comes into effect, tens of thousands of Palestinians will automatically become criminal offenders liable to be severely punished.
Given the security authorities' actions over the past decade, the first Palestinians likely to be targeted under the new rules will be those whose ID cards bear home addresses in the Gaza Strip - people born in Gaza and their West Bank-born children - or those born in the West Bank or abroad who for various reasons lost their residency status. Also likely to be targeted are foreign-born spouses of Palestinians.
Until now, Israeli civil courts have occasionally prevented the expulsion of these three groups from the West Bank. The new order, however, puts them under the sole jurisdiction of Israeli military courts.
The new order defines anyone who enters the West Bank illegally as an infiltrator, as well as "a person who is present in the area and does not lawfully hold a permit." The order takes the original 1969 definition of infiltrator to the extreme, as the term originally applied only to those illegally staying in Israel after having passed through countries then classified as enemy states - Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.
The order's language is both general and ambiguous, stipulating that the term infiltrator will also be applied to Palestinian residents of Jerusalem, citizens of countries with which Israel has friendly ties (such as the United States) and Israeli citizens, whether Arab or Jewish. All this depends on the judgment of Israel Defense Forces commanders in the field.
The Hamoked Center for the Defense of the Individual was the first Israeli human rights to issue warnings against the order, signed six months ago by then-commander of IDF forces in Judea and Samaria Area Gadi Shamni.
Two weeks ago, Hamoked director Dalia Kerstein sent GOC Central Command Avi Mizrahi a request to delay the order, given "the dramatic change it causes in relation to the human rights of a tremendous number of people."
According to the provisions, "a person is presumed to be an infiltrator if he is present in the area without a document or permit which attest to his lawful presence in the area without reasonable justification." Such documentation, it says, must be "issued by the commander of IDF forces in the Judea and Samaria area or someone acting on his behalf."
The instructions, however, are unclear over whether the permits referred to are those currently in force, or also refer to new permits that military commanders might issue in the future. The provision are also unclear about the status of bearers of West Bank residency cards, and disregards the existence of the Palestinian Authority and the agreements Israel signed with it and the PLO.
The order stipulates that if a commander discovers that an infiltrator has recently entered a given area, he "may order his deportation before 72 hours elapse from the time he is served the written deportation order, provided the infiltrator is deported to the country or area from whence he infiltrated."
The order also allows for criminal proceedings against suspected infiltrators that could produce sentences of up to seven years. Individuals able to prove that they entered the West Bank legally but without permission to remain there will also be tried, on charges carrying a maximum sentence of three years. (According to current Israeli law, illegal residents typically receive one-year sentences.)
The new provision also allow the IDF commander in the area to require that the infiltrator pay for the cost of his own detention, custody and expulsion, up to a total of NIS 7,500.
The fear that Palestinians with Gaza addresses will be the first to be targeted by this order is based on measures that Israel has taken in recent years to curtail their right to live, work, study or even visit the West Bank. These measures violated the Oslo Accords.
According to a decision by the West Bank commander that was not backed by military legislation, since 2007, Palestinians with Gaza addresses must request a permit to stay in the West Bank. Since 2000, they have been defined as illegal sojourners if they have Gaza addresses, as if they were citizens of a foreign state. Many of them have been deported to Gaza, including those born in the West Bank.
Currently, Palestinians need special permits to enter areas near the separation fence, even if their homes are there, and Palestinians have long been barred from the Jordan Valley without special authorization. Until 2009, East Jerusalemites needed permission to enter Area A, territory under full PA control.
Another group expected to be particularly harmed by the new rules are Palestinians who moved to the West Bank under family reunification provisions, which Israel stopped granting for several years.
In 2007, amid a number of Hamoked petitions and as a goodwill gesture to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, tens of thousands of people received Palestinian residency cards. The PA distributed the cards, but Israel had exclusive control over who could receive them. Thousands of Palestinians, however, remained classified as "illegal sojourners," including many who are not citizens of any other country.
The new order is the latest step by the Israeli government in recent years to require permits that limit the freedom of movement and residency previously conferred by Palestinian ID cards. The new regulations are particularly sweeping, allowing for criminal measures and the mass expulsion of people from their homes.
The IDF Spokesman's Office said in response, "The amendments to the order on preventing infiltration, signed by GOC Central Command, were issued as part of a series of manifests, orders and appointments in Judea and Samaria, in Hebrew and Arabic as required, and will be posted in the offices of the Civil Administration and military courts' defense attorneys in Judea and Samaria. The IDF is ready to implement the order, which is not intended to apply to Israelis, but to illegal sojourners in Judea and Samaria."
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I had hopes to build you a train and British have stepped in. I again am in courts claiming West Bank and Gaza. We wanted it free for them to flow back and forth too. A combined society but you wanted to fight Israel all the time. My grandmother Amuelius has gone to courts as well to seek guidance on this and British control is in play. I believe the IDF needs to step out of the power play here. Period. No child should be seperated and this is how India was done. Families torn apart. That takes away the power. Our attorneys are in British courts as I reside in Kentucky and cannot fly this week things are being faxed to our private offices in Elizabethtown KY and I am sealing and mailing them back.WE tried to build you jobs.WE tried to build you dreams and you wanted a fake queen who was a player a slut to harm the works that needed to be done.We proved DNA one more time in Royal Courts of World not some USA switch out gain for power.Now either you learn patience ..NO game.Karoon-Rankoo
That is the same logic Al Queda uses in its fight against western dominance--you can't make peace with someone who wants to KILL you, Get it?
Don't hold your breath awaiting the American mass media paying any attention to this. They won't pay any more mind to it than they did to the Jews being deported from Warsaw. I don't see how the Israelis think there is room in Gaza for any more people; that is probably partly why the Palestinians went to the West Bank from Gaza. And, too, both the WB and Gaza are supposed to be Palestinian territory, so they probably felt entitled to be there.
The expulsions from the West Bank ought to begin with the settlers who are attacking IDF troops as well as Palestinian people and their property.
There is something very wrong when thousands of people face deportation and arrest, whether they be Jews or Arabs or others. The Occupation is undermining the integrity of Israel as a Jewish state. Israel needs to secure its borders as best as it can and leave the occupied territories ASAP while it can still regain its stature in the world as a righteous country. Let the Israel's enemies fight among themselves; this is a wise old strategy that served Israel well for many years. Sometimes victory is a worse outcome than retreat.
Israel just keeps on digging itself into a big hole and the international countries of the world are getting tired of it--no wonder Israel has lower standing than N. Korea and other dictator countries!
Your actions would drive anyone to the edge of insanity....You create these suicide bombers with ur actions, thus creating a self fulfulling prophecy....
and the trouble and just create concentration camps... I mean its on its way with mass deportation. This is not the first time in its history that it has done this,,,,
Hypocrites, shame on you for doing this to these people. You dont want peace! You dont want happiness, God's curse be upon the oppressors of humanity. May we see the final day when peace and justice shall be restored, we will have our place and justice will be given! You went through the Holocaust, how could u hurt others like this! You have been committing a 63 yr on going ethnic cleansing of a people, the Holocaust had large numbers, but this is so beyond damaging, 63 years!!!!!! Your getting revenge for ur grandparents suffering at the expense of our lives, liberty, freedom, ur creating generations of depression and hate! ur ruining things for us and our future children!! I had to leave my homeland because of u!! where is my justice!!! my right !!!!
It is about time - long over due
This will force the US to take action... the US will have no choice but to cut aid to Israel once they start the deportations... allowing Bibi to declare an emergency and kick out the far right wing nuts in his government and then work with the sane people in the government to form a rational coalition for which Israel will be able to move honestly towards peace.... I have to believe this as I do not believe that Bibi is that insane to think there would be no consequence I believe that he has calculated this and is using this to purge his government for the sake of the US aid thereby saving face with the settler movement buy saying ?look I had no choice the #$%$#% Obama forced me to form a new government? if this his plan he is crazy like a fox!
Sadly when others hate you and want you wiped off the map, then you must take whatever actions you determine will protect your people. By this I refer to the Israeli government in spite of anything and everything others might say including erstwhile allies. By erstwhile I mean the Obama administration which I think is peppered with pure ideologues. You cannot count on them.
Ok then if they "cant be trusted " because they are from Jordon or Egypt , then its time to open a camp for Jews In america because "they cant be trusted" Most of the spying on America comes from our "dear friend" Israel And even when they were born here ( like the Palestinians there) they have their country ( oh yea Israel didnt give a dime for Palestinian land so nothing for disposed jews here , hey that how YOU play the game
If you do not see equilivancy between "deportations " to the Gaza Ghetto Concentration Camp and what you suffered at the hands and boots of the germans then you in Israel have broken every mirror in Israel. You have to change your slogan to " Never Again, Unless we are doing it"
In fact they'd probably be happier in an Arab homeland anyway, and could stop moaning about (legitimately!) being compelled to live under the freedom, peace and security offered by Israel (rather than a despotic corrupt Islamofascist regime as they'd so clearly prefer...) What right do these so-called "Palestinians" have to live there anyway? That word merely means they were Arabic speakers who had a couple of ancestors that just so happened to have moved to Israeli territory in the days of the British or late Turkish imperial rule; it certainly doesn't establish a true and meaningful bond with the land, and as Arabic-speakers there are dozens of places they would belong better from an ethnic, religious and cultural perspective. Since they all seem intent on Israel's destruction, and clearly don't want to live here, and have dozens of other countries "supporting" them (where they could clearly happily emigrate to), why should Israelis have to put up with them all living on OUR land?
Set aside the sophisticated arguments: Invasion the following: a young married couple, educated and living in the West Bank. One holds a Gaza ID; the second is holding a WB ID. The children hold their mother's Gaza ID... not that they were born there, not that they've ever been there, but that's how their Mom's ID is registered on Israeli records... It seems that Palestinian IDs are recorded based on mothers' IDs, a kind of Judaism taste in the whole insane process. The mother and children would be uprooted then to the Gaza Strip, leaving the father behind. Show me logic - sanity in this...
Glick points out that the original order (a) defining an "infiltrator" and (b) defining what the IDF can do with him is 42 years old. However, Glick fails to mention is that there are now TWO new military orders at work, not ONE. Order #1650 redefines "infiltrator" to mean anyone to whom the IDF refuses a permit. Order #1649 takes the right-of-appeal out of the civil courts and places it within the IDF military courts. Glick fixates entirely on the latter, and by doing so she leaves the (deliberately) false impression that the only thing that has changed is the appeals process. She is telling an untruth. The two orders TOGETHER mean that the IDF can deport anyone it wants from the West Bank, and the only recourse against that deportation is an appeal to.... the IDF.
Glick correctly points out that the original order (a) defining an "infiltrator" and (b) defining what the IDF can do with him dates from 1967. However, Glick fails to mention that there are TWO brand-new military orders at work, not ONE. Order #1650 redefines "infiltrator" to mean anyone to whom the IDF refuses to give a permit. Order #1649 takes the right-of-appeal out of the civil courts and places it within the IDF military courts. Glick fixates entirely upon the latter, and by doing so she leaves the (deliberately) false impression that the only thing that has changed is the appeals process. She is lying. The two orders TOGETHER mean that the IDF can now deport anyone it wants from the West Bank, and the only recourse against that deportation is an appeal to.... the IDF.
That they 1) Can't even read the title - it's THE WEST BANK, which have never threatened Israel since the intifada? 2 ) Support this? Well, support this all you want, don't cry when a suicide bomber detonates due to extreme rage of this new decision.
A must read, you will see Amira Hass made the whole thing up. Haaretz is doing everything to cover up their spy scandal story. Thank goodness for Caroline Glick exposing Kapos like Hass. http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=173305
SDHD: "Who says your security threats who do not abide by the Geneva Conventions themselves are 'protected persons?' " Article 4, when it uses the phrase "in any manner whatsoever". SDHD: "Foreigners from other countries... Protected?" A Straw Man http://www.hamoked.org.il/items/112300_eng.pdf http://www.hamoked.org.il/items/112301_eng.pdf You will see that the amended order REMOVED the stipulation that the "infiltrators" be from "foreign countries". SDHD: "Combatants... Protected?" A Straw Man The amended order deals with PEOPLE WITHOUT PERMITS, and no longer makes *any* reference to "armed". SDHD: "Someone who travels from Gaza to the West Bank to cobble together terror operations... Protected?" Fer' cryin' out loud: go and read Articles 64 to 78, because they DEFINE the penal provisions for protected persons who commit acts of terror against the occupying power. Man, there really isn't any limit to your ill-informed ignorance, is there?
What's more, in light of the recent decision by the IDF and Israeli military courts, thousands of Palestinians in the West Bank now face deportation or up to seven years of arrest. Companies such as General Electric and United Technologies stand only to benefit from the impending suffering of thousands. Furthermore, as Haaretz pointed out above quotation and what Benyamin Netanyahu himself publicly flouted in his speech at the March 23, 2010 IPAC speech, Israel not only manipulates its relationship with the U.S., possibly subjecting American citizens legally working in the West Bank to deportation, but also divisively invokes narratives of historical continuity over "3000 years" to justify the systematic removal of Palestinians from their homes and the expansion of settlements around Jerusalem and into the West Bank. This is another blatant disregard of international law and peace agreements, the latter of which the US has spent endless time and money to help broker. Netanyahu's conflagration of the Jewish people in toto with the Israeli government is a farce and an insult to the Jewish faith, morality and ethics.
"Really, can any of you think past your arrogance?" You should ask yourself that question. "Consider: this order claims the right to take a Palestinian (a "protected person") FROM the West Bank ("occupied territory") and forcibly transfer him TO the Gaza Strip." Your premise is immediately flawed, halfwit. Who says your security threats who do not abide by the Geneva Conventions themselves are "protected persons?" Foreigners from other countries... Protected? Combatants... Protected? Someone who travels from Gaza to the West Bank to cobble together terror operations... Protected? The more you open your mouth, the more you demonstrate abject ignorance and dishonesty.
?Israel is a democratic, Jewish state. If we remain in the territories we will have to choose: either Jewish or democratic. It won?t work together, because in a democracy the majority rules and soon [Arabs] will be the majority between the Jordan and the sea. If we want to remain a Jewish state, we will have to deny the rights of the majority and we will turn into an apartheid state. If we insist on remaining democrats, an Arab prime minister will soon be elected by a majority of votes.? --from the booklet "The National Left" by Shmuel Hasfari and Eldad Yaniv, which was cravenly burned... ooops, "withdrawn" from Israel's bookstores after protests from radical settler groups, who apparently get to decide what citizens can and cannot read in the "free and democratic" State of Israel.
If you guys are interested in finding out what the real life of Palestinians looks like go youtube ans search sleepless in gaza, go the channel and watch the great new reality episodes Palestinians are making everyday (half of it is from West Bank and the other half takes place in Gaza)
I was thinking the very same thing this morning. It made me cry when I saw those frightful Jewish people being removed from their homes. Women, children and men weeping. My heart really felt bad for them.
All my own work? Not necessarily.How's yours CJ?Have you ever witten anything worthy,bar just repetitions,and website promotions. Take a look at yours before you decide mine was FUNNY/HILARIOUS. Idiotic responses with the usual:Uh? err,what? It has been pointed to by someone who said:STOP PLAYING WITHE yourself...remember? That is what many think of your posts chum. Oh by the way,i did not take offence,because coming from you it is expected.
It is allowed to build mosques in France and Germany. Recently Switzerland forbid the building of minarettes, but not mosques. Between 3.8 to 4.3 million muslims are living in Germany today. We do not "hate" muslims. We face great difficulties to integrate muslimic immigrants. In some cities e.g. Berlin, Duisburg, Cologne exist areas where police cannot enforce the law to full extent. At some schools, christian girls are mobbed by muslimic girls, because they do not wear headscarves.
when you say Israel provokes her neighbors, quite the opposite, I believe she showed great restraint in the past when the rockets were falling on Sderot and other small towns, aimed at the schools filled with little children, children who live in fear every day. It took Israel foever to strike back. Sorry but I have little or no compassion for those who support the terrorist Hamas org., they will get no sympathy from me. Your stance, being from the south surprises me, I lived Alabama for 20 years and am staunchly pro Israel.
It is both sad and shameful that the path towards a universalist morality that Judaism followed for thousands of years has been betrayed by this nationalistic hill-top tribe mentality that is modern Zionism. It is shameful that with some noble exceptions the rabbinate has shifted their religious leadership from extolling a religion of conscience introduced by the ancient Prophets to promoting a religion where nationalism has become the moral imperative. Israeli state power and the actions of the promoters of Zionism throughout the Jewish Diaspora are the kinds of things that the ancient Prophets railed against. That is what the ?voice crying in the wilderness? was about and that voice is still crying in the wilderness against state impunity of Israel and the ruling elite throughout the world.
Because logios has thought about this much more deeply than you have. Consider: Is Gaza still under Israeli occupation, or isn't it? If the answer is "No, Gaza is no longer under Israeli occupation" then this IDF order is illegal under Article 49 of GCIV, which absolutely prohibits an occupier from forcibly transferring protected persons out of occupied territory FOR ANY REASON. And if the answer is "Yes, Gaza is still Israeli-occupied territory" then you need to think loooooong and hard about the legality of Israel's siege of Gaza, because an occupying power has legal obligations relating to the care and welfare of those under its occupation. Logios appears to understand all that. But you? You, not so much....
Really, can any of you think past your arrogance? Consider: this order claims the right to take a Palestinian (a "protected person") FROM the West Bank ("occupied territory") and forcibly transfer him TO the Gaza Strip. THE VERY FIRST THING THAT SHOULD LEAP INTO YOUR SKULL IS THIS QUESTION: Q: Is Gaza still under Israeli occupation? Think about it...... Think about it...... Think about it...... Because if the Gaza Strip is **NOT** under Israeli military occupation then this order amounts to the "forcible transfer" of a "protected person" out of "occupied territory" to Somewhere Else. Go and consult Article 49 of Geneva Convention IV and you will see that doing exactly this is "prohibited, regardless of their motive". So: 1) either Gaza is STILL occupied (despite what all of you keep claiming) 2) or this order is a WAR CRIME (despite what all of you keep claiming) Which is it going to be, guys 'n' girls? Because it can't be both......
"Arabs from Gaza that live illegally in judea and samaria that throw bricks and firebombs at our cars while we drive..." Really - bricks and fire bombs? Isn't Mevaserret Zion located west of Jerusalem? Hardly in the West Bank now is it? By the way, how does it feel to be living atop the former Arab village of Al-Qastal? Do you ever wonder how many Palestinians were murdered or run out so that individuals like yourself could take their land and property?
this is a crime against humanity...
It makes not the slightest difference that the IDF attempts to take this outside of the reach of the Israeli courts. 1) The West Bank is occupied territory. 2) The occupying power is the IDF. 3) A Palestinian who is in the West Bank - for any reason - is a "protected person". Article 49, Geneva Convention IV: "Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive." That prohibition is ABSOLUTE and it is UNCONDITIONAL, and so doing this is a grave violation of international law *regardless* of what "legal foundation" Israel attempts to build around this.
I am an American: Americans won't tolerate** verbatim quote worthy to read: We tolerated the hijacking of our civilian airliners and using them as napalm loaded missiles to destroy our world trade towers and the pentagon, we tolerated Iran ayatollahs holding our diplomats hostages while the ayatollahs heaped insults upon us. We tolerated the N. Korean development of nuclear bombs and their sale to Iran and Syria. we tolerated the murder of 250 peace keeping marines in Beirut, We tolerate a great deal many capital crimes by Arabs and Muslims, so I don`t see why we shouldn`t tolerate arresting and deporting those who are, or abet or otherwise support Muslim terrorists, murderers and hate mongers who have declared war upon us and Israel. We may actually one day stop tolerating that from those, probably only after they have succeed in totally expropriating profits from our oil companies, and finally after the Muslim conspiracy and treachery against our country is unmasked. Its been done before, against the German Bund in WW-l and by the UUAC after WW-ll Kudos and bravo to your frank posts. Very apt and truth to be disseminated forthwith. Ross
Excuse me, but aside from maybe 2 commentors here, WHERE WERE YOU when the IDF forced their soldiers to rip Jews right out of their homes in Gush Katif? And where were you when Gaza was made Juden Frei? I know. You were the ones cheering that this was done. I wish you would all just announce right here and now that - in your eyes - Israel can do no right, and her avowed enemies can do no wrong? You make me sick.
You are confused and thus confusing others like you, those who interpret history the way it suits them and their imaginations
Has this government seen the light at last and decided to do what is really needed for the sake of Israel: deport all settlers who have infiltrated the West Bank and bring them back to Israel so they can build the future of their country?
This really hits me very deep as a palestinian. I really feel it since I was a small kid. As a matter of fact I repeatedly claimed it to my jewish freinds especially of european descent that I have more jewish blood ,as a palestinian ,than they do.
LLana, remember when our Patriarch Abraham arrived into Palestine ? He was received and well treated by the Kenanaite, the forfatrhers of the palestinians. Judea came to be called Judea long time after that . So wo are the indegeneous people of palestine ?
What happened to that armistice agreement in 1967 war, was that not made null and void. Jordan attacked Israel not the other way around, last I heard and correct me if I am wrong, an armistice no longer is binding through an act of war. So get off the garbage of rights please, and get real.
It is not a matter of citizenship smart A. it is a matter of a natural connection between a humanbeing and his or her ancestral land.
For all you that are so upset about deportation of illegals, odd just try as an Israeli to go into or build in a PA CONTROLLED AREA. See how fast you are deported, or stoned to death, but that is OK right, you people yell about human rights, but are not fair in your constant accusations of the wrongs of Israel, and never the other way around. It is plain to see you have another agenda other than humane rights. How about stepping up to the plate and declare your true intentions to the world, and forget about the crap you are all spouting, what is really behind your statements, try to be honest for a change. You people cry for peace, but work so hard against achieving it, this blows my mind, with friends like you Israel needs no enemies.
It is obviously the other way around Danny. Israel is accumulating more hatred with the palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims every single day and that is going to be all the way against it in the future. You,re assuming that Israel,as is, is going to stay for ever and that is not a smart assumption. Anyone who knows the history of the region would not bid a penny on your assumption. How many empires came and controled palestine then had to leave ? The persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the ottomans, the British, and finally the Zionists who are in control these days. The Crusaders controled Palestine for more that 80 years and they had to leave. The Zionists merely have 62 years.
All we can see is:That little by little they are turning the west bank(JUDEA SAMARIA IN REALITY)Into a mini Taliban state,they are slowly but surely leaving Gaza going over to the other side to turn it into another terrorist enclave.Unless the Govt stops it in its tracks things are going to get VERY UGLY that will require CAST LEAD TWO.
Nearly 45 years of occupation and settlement expansions and now this? The word that keeps being thrown here, is exactly how I feel-- DISGUSTED. It's about time America stops bankrolling this appartheid state. DISGUSTING!
"both jews and arabs living in Palestine were referred to as Palestinians. there was no Palestinian nation as such." There was no Israeli nation "as such" either. So what is your point? Jewish nationalism did not exist until it was INVENTED by the Zionist movement--and almost all Jews rejected it. Further, Zionism was not the only Jewish nationalist movement that developed. It was simply the only one that sought to rid Europe of Jews and the only one to attach itself to a British imperialism. The success of the Zionist form of Jewish nationalism, the goal of which was to conquer the Palestinian Arabs and create a Jewish Supremacist state, CREATED Palestinian nationalism. And, not surprisingly, its conscious attachment to British imperialism led to a Pan Arab movement that was anti-Zionist. If Israeli nationalism is valid, then Palestinian nationalism is also valid. I think it was Einstein who wrote that "Nationalism is the measles of mankind."
Yes Isaiah62 I too have thought ans said the same quite sometime ago.But our Jewish brethren can be either too politically correct, and lose credibility in the long run. That Meir Kahane vesualized and warned the public and in the Knesset at the time,only to be castigated be thrown out. Well,his warnings have come to pass,and we are where we are today thanks to the liberal,or should I say deluded leaders and our silly Jews who many are suffering with its consequences. This state of affairs would not have happened had Kahane was in power.
That's it. I've officially had enough of Israel. No more sticking up for it no more from me. This is disgusting.
I have been trying to convince myself that Israel is not becoming a fascist state. Articles like this make it harder for me to do so. One aspect of fascism is that military power supersedes that of the civilian government. While Israel's military has always controlled its foreign policy, it now appears to control much of the domestic policy. This seems to be a move to establish a "legal" framework in which Israeli Zionism can complete its historic mission: to cleanse Palestine of its indigenous population and secure a permanent Jewish Supremacist State. As a Jew, I am furious that this is being done in my name. Israeli Zionism is the negation Judaism. That was their plan and this is the reality. Down with Jewish Supremacy!
"or those born in the West Bank or abroad who for various reasons" can anybody elaborate on these "various reasons"
First the IDF is looking for people who do not live in the W.B., in most countries at least in the U.S. people have ID's. Either a driver's license or official state ID card which looks similar to a Driver's license. So having an ID is not offensive at all but required in the U.S., as usual Israel get's criticized for thinking out of the box. They try to prevent violence without using violence. So save your hollow outrage. Your "fit into the pre-holocaust Germany" remark says it all. What happened in Germany was the attempted extermination of all people who are Jewish simply for being Jewish. As we all know Israel from the beginning has wanted to live in peace with its neighbors who rejected Israel's right to exist and started a war to wipe Israel off the map. Not even remotely similar circumstances.
"Since there is no such entity as Pal` territory as yet the whole thing is moot" Hilarious. All you own work?
...just the bits you cherry picked?
"first you say: your home state is israel. You can't even get that right... "you are a brit from 300 years ago" I must be if I colonized Australia... "which brings to mind you are descended from convicts.or a jew allowed into britain when oliver cromwell was in charge after the "interegnum" a jew allowed into britain is what you are." Whatever you need to fabricate.. "stop meandering and thinking you know it all,when you know nothing but propaganda" I don't do propaganda.
Judea and Sumaria are the fiction of Israel and LOL can anyone imagine a court or an army honor-ing such an order or indeed delegating such one? What a farce the Israeli military system and legal system has become over there today. Israeli officials would do well to the recall the Nuremberg Trials and how special sessions werte held to charge the German judiciary for helping to legalize Hitler's policies against the Jews. So there are consequences for giving to fiction and selling other peoples' rights down the river....Dutch
This article gets my liberal blood boiling, but I have small hope that this policy will start to be applied to settlers? Maybe this is big liberal move masked as ultra-conservative to get this anti-settler policy through the works? wishful hoping...
This whole situation needs resolution. Transgressions need to be measured. The PA hadn't a comment in this article. There are questions as to how people of Gaza made it to the West Bank. But, nevertheless, if their wishes were to leave a bad situation and their intentions are peaceful, it could lead one to believe that it's innocent. It's not like one claiming to have taken innocent life and retribution found him in a country to the east. Issues of keeping civility, respect and reputation are meted by people who read, see and are aware of the goings on there in Israel and the "Occupied Territories". Security from armed resistance to the recognition of Israel and the inhabitants can best be had by helping the interested parties understand what's at stake in maintaining a viable economy and at least a decent standard if not higher standard of living. There needs to be a system there that can be held up to show.
shame on isarel!
Israel decides who will live in Israel. She also wants to decide who will live beyond her legitimate borders in Palestine and Gaza. The Arabs already live in their own land: Saudi Arabia. Palestine is not Arabia; and Palestinians are not Arabs. It was the UN which decided to plant Israel smack in the middle of Jordan, Egypt. Lebanon, and Syria. But it is the Israel government which insists upon provoking her neighbors. Why it refuses to make peace with them is anybody's guess. The concensus is that it lusts after all the land that once belonged to King David.3000 years ago. Gaining that is a hopeless task for Tiny Israel today. But the Masada devotees insist upon trying to the very last breath. Better to provoke war than to settle for what she has and make peace with her neighbors.
Remember also that 70 or so years ago, what was going on in the world was not so very visible, and took time before it reached the public. All what Israel does is basically seen through the eyes of the entire world almost as fast as it happens, and that is the added tragedy. Without the support of the United States, I doubt whether Israel could get away with this, as well as all its other atrocities committed against the Palestinian people. The Obama administration only adds to the catastrophe by trying to be a dictator to the rest of the world but by showing its double standards and hypocrisy by permitting Israel to spit in its face.
no more insight?
270 posters so far; the vast, overwhelming, majority sucked into the unlikely reliability of an Amira Hass report that is far more about alleged possibility than even remote probability. The IDF has already expressed stunned outrage at the report (as is should; given it is baseless). The IDF,as even the best Israel-haters know, usually remains silent in the face of allegations of this kind. Its immediate and unequivocal response is therefore quite remarkable and telling. To the very few of you who have used sanity and reason in this talkback, congratulations. To all of you who are using this ridiculous piece of accusation (not accuracy) as a way of putting a few more nails into the coffin you so wildy wish to build for Israel, hope your hammers have that claw so you can pull the nails out and maybe, grab a bit of sanity back from the hysteria you're fanning.
population exchange is NOT ethnic cleansing- neither is deporting illegal aliens- every country does it- only ISRAEL is scolded for it- 800,000 Jews thrown from Arabia so a few Arabs out of Israel should be no problem- they have 22 staes to go to- JEWS have ONE- no one yelled ethnic cleansing when JEWs were thrown from GAZA or Hindus from paksitan (occupied INDIA)- no one cried for synagogues destroyed by the religion of blow youto pieces- WAKE UP JEWS- today is Yom hashoah- you need to make sure NEVER AGAIN- b/c the rest of the world is very busy working on HERE IT COMES AGAIN
It seems Israel has indeed been infiltrated by its enemies - they aim to destroy it by alienating every last friend it has. Friends of Israel despair. Reading some of the talkbacks it seems there is no conception of the rage and hatred these kinds of action towards Israel accross the world, or where that can lead. .
It is regrettable that you choose to spout such fictitious propaganda. According to international law, there is no such thing as "disputed territory". The West Bank and Gaza belongs to Palestina, including east Jerusalem. In the modern world, you cannot acquire territory by war as clearly stated by international law and the Geneva Convention. Palestinians rightly rejected what was falsely connoted as "Barak's generous peace deal", because it consisted of a Bantustan offer and not a viable Palestinian state according to legitimate rights and international law. E.g.; download: www.peres-center.org/Media/from%20oslo%20to%20taba.pdf by Roy Pundak if you want to know about the facts. I sincerely hope that the international community come to their proper senses and enforce sanctions. These flagrant crimes needs to be stopped and they should not be tolerated in the contemporary world.
As a subscriber to Haaretz I was astounded this morningto read Israel Hater Amira Haas report on the FRONT PAGE.My question is: did Haaretz editor check out the date of the order and have its true intentions and legal implications checked by an advocate of repute?? It is strange that no other newspaper has picked up this story, HOWEVER Mr Erekat and all the anti Israel readers have responded. Could it be that the retention of Amira Hass and Gideon Levy helps to sell what is otherwise the best English newspaper. It is time for Haaretz readers to be made aware of the history of this country,Briefly, this part of the middle east was part of the Ottoman empire, later divided into Syria, Transjordan and Palestine, the division was by Britain & France ,that both jews and arabs living in Palestine were referred to as Palestinians. there was no Palestinian nation as such. I hope that Haaretz will follow up with the true facts in order to clear the minds of its misinformed readers
I think it was taken out of context and on the otherhand I wouldnt supporty such a policy as much as pro Israeli that I am. Goodnight
Terrorists should all be dported to the 99.9% of the occupied Middle East of Arabs. That's the least we can do. Too bad, no one listened to R' Kahane the only sane voice 25 years ago. Now we paid the price and how. Yet, still cowardly passive apologetic pathetic assimilated Jews want to bow to Arabs - who find these Jews their greatest weapon.
They are going to join their brothers in Gaza What's wrong with that? I would not call it Expulssion. Were in their place I'd welcome it WITH OPEN ARMS. But,oh no what they want is to be on top of Israel,continue with their TERRORISM. Why don't you have them in your home and see how YOU'LL FARE
your words cj.what exactly are you denying?you will be forgetting your name next. scroll up and read your post.
Since there is no such entity as Pal' territory as yet the whole thing is moot. I think you should refresh your memory as to what belongs to Israel-- A sovereign country,and what does NOT to the Arabs who have no right under any circumstances you seem to think and with arrogance not deemed to be yours anyhow. You think Jasmine was not telling the truth? Well chummy she was.Those Pals in Jordan were not part of the mandate at all. They were some moderate ones who were allowed to live in Jordan.And not plotting to cause problems or overthrow the late King Hussein. Thus were not among the 20.000 who were killed. Stop inventing your nonsense,you are in Oz and your knowledge rests solely on what you read,but have no idea of the real historical narrative. Beter think before you write such tripe.
Israel's goal is not to deport Palestinians. That is ony one small step along the way. Israel's goal is to so harass the Palestinians that they (the Palestinians) will start another war. Then Israel can move into the whole of Palestine with her conquering IDF and claim that the Palestinians started it. The goal is the conquest of ALL Palestine. The strategy is war. The tactics are: harass, harass, harass. The conclusion is: It's all their fault! But see how reasonable we are? Sound familiar?
Physically 100% of Gazan land is "free" of Israelis but according to the letter of the law it is still under occupation of Israel because Israel controls the borders. Why ? Because till Palestinians prove they want to live and build a state in peace, they need to be controlled. When the hated Ariel Sharon dragged his people out of Gaza, the Gazans should have grabbed the opportunity to show Israel and the world that they can build their society. They sure did. By immediately firing qassams from newly liberated Gaza into Israel. Logios...what country in their right mind is going to allow the free movement of arms into the country they just left...a country that decided to continue to fight rather than build what they just got back. Had Gaza gone the path of peaceful co-existence with Israel ...the West Bank would have been the next land to have settlers removed from. But Gaza has turned into an armed militia state. Egypt(control of Gaza pre-1967)nor Israel want an open border.
you say your home state is israel,then you say you are a brit from 300 years ago. which brings to mind you are descended from convicts.or a jew allowed into britain when oliver cromwell was in charge after the "interegnum" a jew allowed into britain is what you are. stop meandering and thinking you know it all,when you know nothing but propaganda .
Thats what happened to the leader of Lebanon's evangelical Christian commuity who was murdered during the assassination of Harriri. Where are the the Christians of Ramallah today? What is life like for Christians in Gaza? Open your eyes.
As for fouling the air, you do not need any help!
KOKOV explained it quite well for me at his post #173
So since I am from Cairo I cant go to Alex? Palestinian in Gaza or WB or any where, he is the same Palestinian why cant some1 from Gaza go to WB for any reason he wants isnt WB his occupied lands already. Beside this action is illegal it will only make difference for a short time just like the iron wall, and only a political move with total respect to international laws can make REAL peace with future to both nations, but again you show stupidity by still thinking blind power can get you any where. Just look what happened to Arabs in Spain or Crusaders, Othmans and Tatars in Arab countries where are their powerful armies now?
"Resolutions without sanctions are irrelevant" They tell us whose actions are illegal. "American veto is an integral part of the SC procedure. Isn`t it?" Indeed and it has helped create the bind Israel now finds itself in. Obama might just decide against the veto.... Negotiations will put an end to the cause of this conflict, the dream of a Greater Israel. Anything Israel gets beyond it's actual Sovereign boundaries will depend upon the generosity of the Palestinians.
Simple but truthful. It is easier!
If this is the case, then the Israeli Army is planning to enforce a set of rules which in Soyth Africa constituted key components of the apartheid system. Someone in Israel and not only in Israel owe Jummy Carter an apology.
the situation for me. Now I understand. To the victor go the spoils. If I were an arab I would want to live with my own kind. Why does Jordan not want the Palestinians or Egypt too, seems like nobody wants to live with them? Sad for the few innocent one (if there are any)
Thanks to Amira Hass for her solid reporting and courage to say things some Jewish Israelis and fellow Jews in many countries just do NOT want to hear. Just saw the movie Jaffa, about the love of a Jewish Israel and an Arab mechanic who works for her father. Her brother's racism is a metaphor for a deep malaise among many Israeli Jews. Amira's reporting helps understand how that poison is reflected in pernicious dictats, like the regulations enabling transfer she describes.
" cj "israel is greedy when it cedes land" " Who are you quoting? "israelhas offered to cede palestinian villages to te palestinian authority unconditionally" Irrelevant to this article and the discussion on hand. "cj the hater of israel under all circumstances calls that "greed"" A) Cite something, anything, that indicates I hate Israel. All I ask is that MY homeland state adheres to the law. If that's hatred, you need a shrink. B) I said no such thing. C) When you and your fellows begin to make false accusations (and put them in quotes what's more) you only show that you're at the bottom of your bullsh*te pail.
1. "when osama bin ladin first admitted to the 9/11 atrocity he did not mention israel at all.he did not mention palestine at all.he said quite clearly that he attacked you because you america occupied the arabian peninsula with its holy places. i hope that helps." - Bethel "Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html Very funny, Bethel.. Do you happen to be a fiction writer or just shoot your mouth off? It seems the latter, as we see in your other comments. Just try to stick to the point. If the point is that the value of Israel to the US is its humanity, the fact that Israel was more or less humane than the US is not relevant.. Would this be of help to you? Me wonder. 2. "logios is a dissembler.fox page does not exist" - Bethel Here is a quick lesson for the unskilled. Suppose you see a quote and the source is not given or, for some reason your computer cannot connect to the URL. I suggest you take part of the quote, put it into your search engine, and try to locate the quote. You may find the document if you bother to try. Capisce? 3. "logios i have access to all bin ladin`s speeches.. you logios wanted to show that he had palestine only on his mind" - Bethel News to me. How about understanding the factoids you retain instead of fantasizing? Here is my statement: "The US can now look at specific interests in the area, mostly assuring oil supply and diminishing Arab hatred towards it. Is Israel of any help in these matters? Quite the opposite. The Palestinian problem is used as means of recruiting volunteers for al-Qaida" - Logio The issue was how Israel affects the US, not what motivates al-Qaida. Try to identify the issue first, before shooting off your mouth.
Most of the Christian in Iraq have a documents relate them to Turkey or Iran. During Saddam's regime thousands od families were deported to Iran as a resault of a conflict between Shah and Iraqi government. Once they settled in Iran, the obtained new documents that include notes as they are related/originated from Iraq. So government keep the people in the air without a country. That is the difference between USA and those regimes. USA has accepted with open arm refuges from all over the world and build itself from those people. USA is the heaven on earth.
israel is an occupier state without occupation of gaza.even though israel does not occupy gaza it does so in logios's opinion because it uses gazan air space.though that is a reaction to gazan wars on israel the argument is irrelevant. though gaza has a border with egypt israel is still an occupier. in short the fantasy occupation is israel's fault. have i covered everything logios?
Tragically, Israel is becoming less and less democratic with every day the Likud is in power. Netanyahu is a disaster for we Jews not only in Israel but all over the world. If Israel tries to expel Palestinians, break up families, or perpetrate any evil to civilians, I, a true Zionist and Israeli citizen, along with many many others will scream bloody murder until something is done to prevent it. There is no way to rationalize such a move either morally or Jewishly. I am so utterly disgusted by this government that I lack the words to express strongly enough how I feel about it. I extend my prayers to my Palestinain and Israeli friends that we will resolve our issues peacefully one day but unfortunately it will not be while Bibi is PM.
Common sense tells us that the 78% of the Jordanian population were those folk who already lived in the area that became Jordan in 1946. Commonsense tells that any option is possible 1) Independent palestinian state in most of the WB and G. 2) A binational state israel palestine(less plausible) 3) Jordan annexation of the greatest part of the West Bank(not likely although a great idea. Palestinians could easily become Jordan citizens ) 4) Israel annexation of all the West Bank. Not good idea for Israel. Most likely it will annex more and less what appeared already in Clinton proposals. In any of these possible outcomes, there is no necessity to rely on SC resolutions. Clinton proposlas are more relevant than the SC resolutions, which are meaningless.
Leaders of Pals must say to own people: stop any actions against Israel and start doing something by more positive way.
Resolutions without sanctions are irrelevant. American veto is an integral part of the SC procedure. Isn't it? An exam to CJ. What are pals and Israelies going to debate in future negotiations???????? let me guess: about territories. Which territories? West Bank territories. What will the Pals argue: Territories are mine . Nothing to negotiate about. CJ told us about it. How is Israel going to respond? I have claims on them as well. We are ready to relinquish most of it in exchange for....name it. Outcome: By International intervention??? Maybe. What's the plan? More and less Clinton's plan. In sum, Israel will remain with a percent of the West Bank. SC will adopt any resolution taken by the parts or in absence of agreement my bet is an implementation of the Clinton's model which contemplates some of Israel's aspirations in Jerusalem and Jordan valley. Occupation??? what about that? Nonsense.
No Bill, the truth is whether you want to accept it or not is that most of the American people do not support Israel's policies towards the Palestinians. While most support Israel's right to exist (As they should), most of us also believe that Israel must comply with International law, binding UNSC resolutions and ICJ rulings at the Hague. The overwhelming majority of the world believes this. Live in your own fantasy world Bill as it's something I want nothing to do with!!
" wonder how God will dispossess you [Israel] this time" Let's see... Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Syria, Rome. He always seems to call out another nation, bent on conquest, to do the dirty work. If it happens again, it will be the seventh time! Perfect number! I wonder what nation today qualifies?
"how about their qassems occupy our air space?is that any good to you? how about gaza has a border with egypt? how about there would be no war with them if they stop shooting at us? why would we care if they were an independent nation as long as they did not make war on us? " - Multinamus It is essential when you argue to FIRST determine the ISSUE under consideration. And this is a good example. If I say that Gaza is legally occupied, don't tell me that their would have been no war if not for their bad behavior, or that they have a border with Egypt. The issue was the LEGAL status of Gaza, not why it became that way or why Egypt is a factor. If you stick to the point, perhaps somebody will start taking your arguments seriously.
great cj you decide what is relevant to you and make up rules accordingly.you abuse israeli behaviour and when we point out to your horrific treatment of immigrants you squeal.
i thought you would never say that. quite right cj.we do not occupy palestinian lands.
and you wish to lecture us when we defend ourselves from those who make war on us.the immgrants in australia do not make war.why do you hate them?
illegal residents? by whose definition. these are Palestinians who live in Palestine and has no other place to live. I can't believe this is happening in the 21st century? Current Israeli Government is pushing the Palestinians to start another Intifida and this is just another one of these action Israel is taking lately to anger the Palestinians.
israelhas offered to cede palestinian villages to te palestinian authority unconditionally. cj the hater of israel under all circumstances calls that "greed"
"It is a shame that people like you pay attention to what the SC has to say. The only thing that saves the SC "pride" is the American veto" Do you wear your pants backwards too? "If it is occupation THEN Israel must relinquish the W. B. without negotiations." 8 January 2009 UNSC Res 1860 //Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008), Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state//
mark you are your parents without the stimulus they were given by the japanese. apply the same stimuli and you are your parents. that stimulus included pearl harbour. best not to peddle your so called values.
"king abdallah .. he,ll get billions from rich arab states to accomodate the refugees ." Jordan gets NOTHING for hosting the refugees already there. " the little king is frightened to death..In a way don`t blame him,for haven`t these brethren of theirs caused so many problems (his late faher resorted)during what was called "BLACK SEPTEMBER" to kill 20.000 of these scumbags." Israel was in control of the West Bank at the time and refusing to allow refugees back. Never the less, Jordan had a right to restore civil order. "Good ones stayed and they are 78% of the Jordanian population" Common sense tells us that the 78% of the Jordanian population were those folk who already lived in the area that became Jordan in 1946. Those who did not live in the area did not have any such right and they were all Palestinians (even Jewish folk) until Israel was declared in 1948. Palestine refugees in Jordan are not Jordanian, they do not belong in Jordan.
note how your values changed towards muslims in america.they were no longer allowed the same rights.yet there was and is no war with muslims world wide. in short mark you advertise your tattered righteousness to no purpose.
when you are no longer at war your values change.your treatment of the japanese was a function of the war at that time.
The only important thing of what you say is SANCTIONS Just let me know when it happens. It might be or not. Till that day, the West bank is a disputed territory that Palestinians and Israel have to negotitate about. Israel has claims on it and Palestinians have claims on it. The outcome will be somewhere in the middle of both claims, or according to a an American plan. Pax americana= Clinton plan= Israel has already accepted in the past and palestinians rejected.
"Still fouling our air---eh Wandering Jew." Does that wandering Jew have any less right to be in Ireland than Arabs have in Israel or Judaea-Sumaria? You're the one fouling the air with your racist bs.
You seem shocked by that huge number (10,000) of Palestinian prisoners. Are you also shocked at the number of prisoners in the U.S. (over two million, of whom more than 70% are either black or Hispanic)? Please do something to help those people in your own country, hypocrite! "Isreal already holds over 10,000 Palestinians in prison (as opposed to one Israeli held by the Palestinians). Have they enough prison room for another ten thousand?"
"They [Palestinians] don`t care about being arrested, but being deported may serve as a deterent and save lives" What's the difference between being deported to a jail, to a refugee camp, or to Gaza? Your "good idea" hasn't worked for 62 years. Why do you think it wll work today?
So many talkbackers criticize Israeli policies because they themselves are beneficiaries of similar and much worse policies that have made them sovereign citizens of lands stolen from indigenous peoples. Citizens of the U.S., Australia, and etc. can feel good about their opposition to Israeli policies as a way to assuage their own guilt about living in lands in which genocide and ethnic cleansing were the norm; they aren't ready to return the land to its rightful owners, but they can feel good by pretending to care about others.
these are logios's reasons.we use their air space.logios how about their qassems occupy our air space?is that any good to you? how about gaza has a border with egypt? how about there would be no war with them if they stop shooting at us? why would we care if they were an independent nation as long as they did not make war on us?
Only the few Americans who read the Middle Eastern newspapers available in English on-line have any clue what is going on. That is why we come here (and to a few other ME sources). Because the US media still only publishes pro-Israel news.
"Does the Israeli government think that it will get away with the same ridiculous policies?" Somehow, I don't think so. Not now.
of the " Transfer" policy is taking shape. Legal or not , expelling people is immoral , unethical and leads to acute future conflict .
Jlee said "when Jesus a Jew was crucified by the Romans those approx. 2000 years ago in Calvary outside of Jerusalem. There is no mention of Arabs, Palestinians, whoever, neither in the Bible, the Gospels or the Testaments ..... Regards." The bible did not mention the USA or Canada or Australia. I guess we dont exist if the Bible made no mention.... Come on JLee mix in some intelligent thoughts
This is a great way to stop the hyper mass migration of Arabic speaking people which if let unchecked will over run Israel, just as it is about to overrun Europe and Norht America.
"How much more evil can Israel get?" As much as she wants. It is alway there for the taking.
Ilana says "whose Homeland is in Judea now called Palestine, the name change took place during the Roman rule of the Christ era. But the land is that of JUDEA where Christ a Jew was born. By the same token where were the Palestinians or Arabs when Jesus was being crucified in Calvary outside of Jerusalem 2000 years ago? No mention of Arabs in the Gospels or Testaments, only the indigenous people the Jews and Romans were there ... Please answer." Just because your Jewish does not mean your from Palestine. Over History people from that area converted to Christianity and Islam. Some stayed Jewish. If your polish, American English etc.. you are not from the area so claiming the land just becuase your Jewish is ridiculous
"Since when do Jews expel?" Israel started expelling Palestinians in 1948 and hasn't stopped since. In Israeli parlance, a refugee is a Palestinian who has been forcibly thrown out of his home, or off his land, or both. Don't you keep up with the news? And don't confuse "Israeli" with "Jew". An Israeli is a citizen of the state of Israel. A Jew is an adherent of the Jewish faith. They are not the same.
The SC says. So what???? They have no pride really. It is a shame that people like you pay attention to what the SC has to say. The only thing that saves the SC "pride" is the American veto. If it is occupation THEN Israel must relinquish the W. B. without negotiations. However, there are and will be negotiations and Israel has claims oF PROPERTY ON those territories. OK so what HAVE WE GOT??????? Answer: DISPUTED TERRITORIES. Isn't clear? S.COUNCIL ?????? From northern Cyprus, to the Kurile Islands, to Abu Musa in the Persian Gulf all of them inviolving violent conflict the term generally used is NOT "occupied territories" However it is used in the case of the West Bank. WHY? NO PRIDE CJ ????? Itn means that the SC is biased, and the only important thing about IT is the American veto. The rest seems to be irrelevant as CJ is. isn't it ?
I am sorry to give the impression that I know what it's like....I couldn't...you're right...That's why I said "what I must be like"
Israel would have been wise to expel their sworn enemies years ago, to remove the threat, and reveal not every Jew has no self-respect and that many still believe in self-defense.
True Christians (not loony Zio-zombies) are obligated to unite against this evil abuse of Palestinian families. There were righteous gentiles during the Holocaust who helped Jews. Now it's time for a new generation of righteous Christians to help the Palestinians. WWJD?
From the other Sam #201.It's better to look positive forward than backward and fairly solve this conflict.As cousins you will have to get along.You would agree the suffering and violence must stop and for both sides PEACE is the only humane outcome.PEACE.
If you happen to be illegally in the WB or in Israel, better start packing and go back to where you belong. It will not help you if you are a so called non-violent demonstrator. leave now voluntarily. on a camel I guess.
Tragically, yet once again, the Palestinian Arabs are reaping what they, and dozens of their "bretheran" nations have sewn. Rejection, a pathological hatred, and a continuing refusal to allow their Judean cousins just one, tiny country in their biblical homeland, wreaks self-destructive havoc once again.
my understanding about the meaning of the geneva conventions is, that it is illegal to settle people "from outside" in occupied territory. therefore, this refers not only to "israeli" citizens. israel violated the geneva conventions twice: (a) by the (israeli) settlers (b) by allowing other "settlers" in. it seems, both have to leave.
Excuse me sir, but when did 'Deportations' of Arabs ever take place from Jewish centres? Expelling Jews from their homes to make way for Arabs to have a State did take place when Gush Kativ was razed to make way for a 23rd Arab State. The flourishing Gush Kativ has gone, but where is that 23rd Arab State ?
"But most Americans, as most people around the world, do not support ethnic cleansing or collective punishment".
king abdallah is generous and humane , he will welcome all deported palestinians into jordan and then he,ll get billions from rich arab states to accomodate the refugees . good business deal for poor jordan . israel also can share the loot . Good idea but the little king is frightened to death when ever we read here what he says and gather his feelings.In a way don't blame him,for haven't these brethren of theirs caused so many problems (his late faher resorted)during what was called "BLACK SEPTEMBER" to kill 20.000 of these scumbags.Good ones stayed and they are 78% of the Jordanian population. So,it is where all their brothers LIVE i.e Jordan,and away should they go.
for acknowledging most of the 'Talkbacks', sometimes showing both sides of the coin. A job for the Moderators and a sincere thanks. It makes good and challenging perusal.
Is it so hard to come to the insight that the West Bank belongs to Palestine and not to Israel? The West Bank is occupied territory according to the whole world community except Israel. Ergo, IDF has no legal rights to further alienate and terrorize the Palestinians in the West Bank. End this terror immediately or the Israeli government will soon receive well deserved sanctions!
Yes, Australia was colonized along with other newly discovered lands. We however, have tried to right some of the wrongs done over 200 years ago - heard of Native Title? To get back to this century......it is a lie to say that Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel, because they didn't, and Israel's actions were not just defensive, they used the opportunity to take vast tracts of Palestinian land and then started illegally settling that land. I do agree that blockading a country's seaways is aggression - you don't see the hypocrisy of your argument with Israel's compete blockade of Gaza borders and seaways?
Mass deport the illegal settlers. Send them back to Brooklyn, Israel or whereever it is they cam from. They are troublemakers. If the settlers choose to stay, when the middle east dilemma is finally resolved and they find themselves on the Palestinian side of the border they will be Palestinians. Jewish Palestinians. Israel has Arabs. Palestine will have Jews. It's the same thing!
What my parents generation did to Japanese Americans was not justifiable. For you to bring that up as some sort of justification or example of shared values shows that you do not share values with modern Americans. The Japanese Americans were loyal citizens of the USA, victims of hysteria and paranoia. And, those who served from the camps in the 442 distinguished themselves beyond any other group except perhaps the Tuskegee Airmen. They were American citizens with American rights taken.
"To tell you the truth I think it would bring about many Jewish people withdrawing support for the Jewish State. Can you imagine the photos that will be sent round the world? Disaster for the Palestinian families and disaster for the Jews".
I think this is the first step to deporting all Palestinians from the West Bank. In Israel's eyes, all Palestinians are "infiltrators". Never mind that the soldier that might be carrying the orders was born somewhere else and a citizen of Israel by the virtue of law of return. I think the IDF- comically named this way because most of their acts are against civilians and enforcing apartheid policies- must not carry such gross unjust order. This really have a parallel in Europe when they deported Jews for no reason except they thought Jews are "different".
maybe the "palestinians" and arab countries got a bit quiet about the "palestinian state" all of a sudden, because they realised what it will mean in practise: it is not about embarrassing israel to the core and have a laugh. no. there are a number of lemons to swallow, or - to be forced down the throats, on both sides... this order seems a logical first step. it was not right in the first place, that everyone could settle just where they wished within occupied or disputed territory. not even on "legal" territory this is possible. but - this rule must also be applied onto settlers. it seems a matter of not too long, until israel will be forced, too. once, the palestinian state is "legally" declared, they can grant visas to whoever they like. but this state will be inhabitated and controlled by palestinians, not by anyone sneaking to make a fortune by fraud etc... this should be the interest of the "original palestinians".
BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD IN MANY YEARS! It's about time Israel acted in the interests of its own security. BRAVO!
Under patriot act USA can deport to country of birth even legally landed customs approved tourists who are believed or have evidence shown to be terrorists. Happened to a Canadian it was a big case here. USA didn't inform Canada that it was deporting to Syria a Syrian born naturalized canadian who legally entered USA that said this article is very ambigpus but this bill sounds quite wrong, where do you deport someone who lives in WB to? How do you prove where their "real" home or country of birth is? Can we get a bill name so the actual text can be read as article is not specific enough on details of bill, or if it is, well dn me but she don't make any real or moral sense. Alwayslearning@live.ca
According to international law, the West Bank and Gaza Strip are "disputed territories", not "occupied territories". The difference is important, and is based on the fact that they became "terra nullus" at the end of the British Mandate. Had the Arabs agreed at that time to establish a Palestinian state, you would be right. Since their declared aim was to destroy the newly-established state of Israel, you're wrong. International law also allows for the acquisition of territory in a DEFENSIVE war. Jordan and Egypt occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip ILLEGALLY from 1948 to 1967, because they were "acquired" in a war of AGGRESSION. The claim for Palestinian self-determination did not come until AFTER the 6-Day War. Prior to that, the Palestinian National Charter specifically waived all claims to the West Bank and Gaza (see the Palestinian National Charter of 1964: http://www.un.int/palestine/PLO/PNA2.html) Pay special attention to Article 24.
when Jesus a Jew was crucified by the Romans those approx. 2000 years ago in Calvary outside of Jerusalem. There is no mention of Arabs, Palestinians, whoever, neither in the Bible, the Gospels or the Testaments ..... Regards.
"Israel has not annexed the West Bank, and it is ruled by military rule. So what is the problem about it?" It's prohibited under GC 1V article 46 "The fate of the disputed land will be defined by negotiations.." They're OCCUPIED territories, not 'disputed'. Israel calls them disputed territories. The UNSC does not.
... that it is just a euphemism for deportation... when the Pals eventually have their own State, they won't ask you for permission where they can live in it...
in Judea/Israel the Jewish Homeland named Palestine by the Romans, for years! How come? Would you perchance be claiming to be the Ancestors of the ancient Jews from the province of Judea during the Christ era. Then was Jesus an Arab after all? Why then do Christians blame the Jews?
territories. They're part of the same entity. Palestine. It ISN'T Israel. "As I read the story, Israel is taking action against illegal immigrants, some coming from theGaza Strip, some from foreign countries and has given the authority to its armed forces." How on earth can a person going from Gaza to the West Bank be an illegal immigrant? They're both part of the same entity.
As a Jew I'm sure you're a descendant of Hebrews, DNA has proven a common lineage among the various lineages of most Jewish ethnicities. That's not my point. But before you start accusing Palestinian "Arabs" (they are Arabized peoples, mostly Islamized, but some still Christian, and fewer yet are still Jews or Jews until very recently) of being foreign, and claiming yourself to be indigneous to the Land of Israel moreso than them, perhaps a DNA test is in order before you brush aside their claim of patrimony to Eretz YIsrael (what they call Palestine) and their genetic heritage. Ilana does sound very Russian. Dont be surprised when your resuts show European admixture. Be surprised at the degree of admixture. Especially among Russian Jews. Many are hardly Jews at all.
While Israel considers Gaza to be no longer occupied (since Sharon's evacuation in 2005), the rest of the world, including the UN, still considers Gaza as occupied by Israel. To me it seems sensible, since Israel continues to occupy the Gaza airspace and territorial waters, and moves in and out of Gaza at will. By the Israeli Supreme Court did not yet rule on this question, and therefore the Israeli government and IDF can pretend to have Gaza the way they want it. If anybody is subject to deportation from Gaza, they can appeal to the Israel Supreme Court, which will stay the deportation until it decides. If the claim is that the West Bank and Gaza are one unit and under one occupation, the Court might have to address the question in principle. (But I am quite sure they would try hard to avoid deciding the principle.) In any case, this is an old (6 months) IDF order. Nothing will happen as long as Netanyahu pretends to want peace, so I don't get excited.
"a person who is present in the area and does not lawfully hold a permit." What you want to note here is the requirement for all people in the area to acquire a permit for being there. If they were denied a permit or if the permit should "disappear" they face jail and deportation. All people. Even someone who has never been outside the WB. BTW as if it wasn't bad enough the friendly IDF will handle the permits. At this point it should be obvious that there are elements within the IDF that do not exactly think the life or rights of Palestinians are on the top of the priority-list. They are going to make this new order which positively reeks of fascism even more abusive. Finally I just wanted to express my absolute disgust of treating other humans in this way. It could easily have fit into the pre-holocaust Germany.
Your comment that Canada is planning to kick all the Jews out of that country is the reason that I support completely the existence of Israel. The Shoah would never have happened had Israel existed at the time. And when Britain was given control over the Palestinian Mandate after World War 1 it was to establish a homeland for the Jews there. Were it not for British unwillingness to abide by the mandate, Hitler might not have been able to kill half the world's population of Jews.
They are occupied territories as is East Jerusalem. Israel as the occupier has no right to send/deport/expel or otherwise rid itself of protected persons. They--the Palestinians are protected under international law---as in the 4th Geneva Convention. So my Zionist dreamers ---there will not be a greater Israel---never. There will however be a Palestine---unless you keep stalling--in which case--in goes the international commumity to force a solution. A bi National State. get used to it---or perish.
As I read the story, Israel is taking action against illegal immigrants, some coming from theGaza Strip, some from foreign countries and has given the authority to its armed forces. Living in a country where we have millions of illegal immigrants, some from countries that hate the US, some working without paying into the social security system and others taking welfare from the US taxpayer, I wish the US had the courage to seek tem out and expel them. People here complain about aid to Israel. The costs of illegal immigration into the US far exceeds any mony paid in foreign aid to all countries.
the WB isn't Israel but occupied Palestine.It would be a very bad move,heartless and morally unacceptable to the international community.PEACE to all.
Ilana forgets to mention that the "Arabs" of every "Arab" country (except Saudi Arabia) are not actually Arabs by ancestry. They ARE the indigenous peoples of their respective coutries who were culturally and linguistically Arabized. Those that weren't also Islamized are today's Arab Christians, etc. Islamized but not Arabized people are Turks, Persians, etc. Of course, to a small degree, "Arabs" are also admixed with the tiny invading elite populations which ruled them for one period or another (incluing, yes, real Arabs from Arabia). These inputs are minimal cos they were tiny in numbers. So their indigenous genetic heritage is NOT negatived. Lebanese are descendants of Phoenicians, Morrocans of Berbers, Egyptians of Egyptians, Palestinians of Hebrews, Iraqis of Babylonians. Jews are also Hebrews, but they're admixed too. Ashkenazim have admixture from Europeans, Bene Israel from Indians, Sephardim from Spaniards, Parsim from Persians, Teimanim from Yemenis (incl Black Yemenis).
starting the third Intifadah. A brief look at Israeli history will confirm a pattern of provocative actions by Israel to illicit a response from her neighbors only so she can then cry foul, "We have no partners in peace."
Trust me they will hear about thisinjustice also and fortunately but unfortunately they will damn their government's policies that sucks up to the outlaws and land thieves against their public will... Still, people are not without their own recourse even when it comes to taking on their own government and sometimes they can be stronger and louder than anything the goverment and army has in its asenals. Dutch
"deportation from Judea and Samaria" There are NO such places in the modern world. Get those bloody words out of your lexicon. There is only West Bank and Gaza, both of which are Palestinian, not Israeli.
in the whole of the West Bank and give the Jewish settlers citizenship in the newly declared Palestinian state
"Why don`t the arabs leave Israel and live among their own kind in the surrounding countries ie Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon or Syria? Israel is just a tiny country." Because West Bank and Gaza, which aren't Israel's, by the way, is Palestinian. They are on their own land, as recognized by international law. And this action is tantamount to crimes against Humanity. When will we shake ourselves free of this rogue, racist nation, whose government's ultimate goals are ethnic cleansing, and achieving their lifelong dreams of attaining a "Greater Israel?"
If I read the article correctly if you are from Gaza and are in the W.B. illegally you will be deported back to Gaza, that is all this order says. Did I misunderstand it? It seems Gazans come to the W.B. and instigate riots, throw bricks, firebombs etc. and this is the reaction by Israel. If I'm wrong show me where I misunderstood the order. This seems a restrained response from Israel to violence from the Gaza Pals.
foreign nationals and citizens of gaza who are enemy nationals.they are the ones to be deported.
Israel has not annexed the West Bank, and it is ruled by military rule. So what is the problem about it? The fate of the disputed land will be defined by negotiations, and... in the meantime Israel makes full interpretation of the Geneva convention. Israel is not sending by force population to settle in the territories of ANY OTHER COUNTRY. This is exactly a "law lacunae" which Israel takes adventage of it for security reasons. The SC has very good tools to deal with law violators. As you can understand the RIGHT OF VETO IS PART OF THE MECAHNISM OF LAW IMPLEMENTATION. So far law without implementation does not have any sense. You really have to join Ahmedinjad, Qadaffi and other brutal criminals who strive to change the "unjust" world international order which provides veto to the U. States. This is a political conflict about borders and self determination. International law does not fit in it. Only in cases of blunt violations of human rights.
Bezrat Hachem - Majoity of israelians approve ! !
to be "A simple man". "Civilized compared to what, Hamas?"WJ Well certainly more civilised than Netanyahu or the nightclub bouncer and their slavish apologists. Still fouling our air---eh Wandering Jew.
Fourteen Justices at the Hague in 2004 said all Israeli settlers must be removed and all Israeli structures should be dismantled and void... Thus this order is misdirected and Israelis will pay for Israeli officials ongoing lawlessness in the territories and the WB and East Jerusalem with the loss of their homes in the Middle East eventually....Dutch
were signed "without prejudice to future settlements or boundary lines" jordanian israel armistice agreement april 3 1949 article 6 section 9 so there is no occupation.
to your country of ORIGEN.
When such Laws are flooding the Territory.
Isreal already holds over 10,000 Palestinians in prison (as opposed to one Israeli held by the Palestinians). Have they enough prison room for another ten thousand?
israel has asked them that should they wish it we would cede their villages along the armistice line to the palestinian authority." they refused absolutely and totally.they simply love it here.
Finally, proof positive. Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the actions of Jews. Here we have hard evidence of the altruistic governance of Palestinians, the weeding out of the criminal and illegal elements and here's bettin all you get is a knee jerk anti-Semitic reaction to this act of charity and humanity by Zionist Israel.
you have left your history books somewhere.all this was happening in the nineteenth century onwards. and you completely annihilated the inhabitants of tasmania who you shot to kill on sight.shame on you.
That PM Netanyahu is not interested in Peace, That the policies are to annex the West Bank soon for the benefits of Settlers. That OUR country is going straight and at full Speed towards Binational State and inevitable destruction of THE ONLY JEWISH State. Thank you BIBI to lead us like lemmings.
and let some lights in for usto appreciate what is going on in the Occupied territories. Surely such type of Laws cannot be used in "O.T"
... even the most heinous of deeds, mass deportation, only when it applies to the Pals... ... even generally chauvanistic Stephen #113, is shocked-to-the-core by this intent to implement ethnic cleansing, aptly referring to it as "a confusing and scary scenario".
"West Bank belongs to Israel. Period. " When has Israel legally annexed ANY territory? As for the rest of your ignorant twaddle, welcome to post 1945, when it is illegal to ACQUIRE territory by war.
is the United States European or is it Native America?
Marree, the native Americans did not start the war. The whites did. So now the whites are right full owners of Australia? Get the facts right. Gamal Nasser told UN to pull the peace keepers from Israeli-Egyptian border. He blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba. Israel has intelligence that he was to going to attack at his time. Israelis preempted. That's called military tactic. It is not aggression. Blockading one country's seaways is aggression. Get some history lessons!
Making up your own "facts" Roger. Can't believe that you don't know that it was Israel that attacked Egypt and Jordan and thus started the 1967 war- so you need to check your facts!
Civilized compared to what, Hamas?
West Bank belongs to Israel. Period. Look, Muslim Turks conquered Constantinople and it has become Istanbul. No Muslim ever consider giving back the Hagia. Why Israel give back West Bank. After all it was won in war that was thrust upon it. Winners keepers. Modern USA and all American countries are the fruits of conquerings of Europeans. No body will ever give back the lands. Let White Canadians give all the lands they took from natives and return to their original countries. No, they can't and won't. Why because they are the victors. Similarly, Jews are the victors. If the Arabs want the lands back, well fight for it. In a fight there will be causalities. No quarters will be given. Americans did not give any quarters to the Iraqis, Neither did Al Queda when they brought down the towers! So why should the Jews? If Osama is hero to the Muslims, then let him fight for them.
is the right of all nations and especially our nation facing a real and constant terrorist threat. Nearly everyone in this small country has felt the pain of a terrorist attack that has transfixed our lives like a dagger in the heart. Our enemies are shocked that Israel won't permit Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Al Qaiada operatives, or Hamas terrorists currently engaged in launching rockets into southern Israel from taking up residence and in Judea and Samaria. The criticism displayed here reminds me of the American folk song sympathetic to the Boll Wievel (which destroyed the South's cotton crop) who was "just looking for a home".
srael is going to deport Palestinians that have had roots in Palestine long before this entity was created but the illegal settlers from Europe are allowed to steal, build and live there. Something is wrong with this scenario folks. The Belfour declaration clearly states the the Palestinians are the original inhabitants of Palestine and the European Jews migrating there are immigrants. What happened to the UN Resolution that states inhabitants of an occupied country cannot be deported by the occupying forces?
"..why dont you fight anti immigrant feelings and attitudes in australia?" I do. But this has nothing to do with immigration. "..some information to those who abuse us from afar" Who is abusing you? "the palestinians in israel are content with their lot" They're Israelis. This issue is not about them "they refuse to be part of the palestinian authority" They live in Israel. the PA has nothing to do with them. "israel has volunteered to cede their villages on the armistice lines to the palestinian authority" The armistice lines are not borders why would they agree to a greedy Israeli scheme that sees their Palestinian fellows ceding territory to Israel? "before you curse and abuse us further think about that information" I don't curse or abuse. Your 'information' is irrelevant to the issue...
if they are in the west bank illegally and they are known to cause or incite trouble.. than this makes complete sense as a way to prevent more violence later on, good work
The Arab regimes aren't spoiled with billions in aid??? Are you seriously misinformed ?? Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and above all, the Palestinians, get many, many more billions in aid. Israel gives the US much, much value in return (that you and I don't even know about). The only thing we get from these other entities is what, Mike ?? What exactly do the Palestinians provide the US in return for the billions the US blows and squanders in return. A society that cheered the 9/11 tragedy. This is a friend ?? The other Arab regimes don't have that privilege ?? You STILL think so??? Please provide proof to your foolish claims.
even though they were american citizens.that was in the second world war.why would israel have to put up with a threat in its midst in judea?
so they are enemy nationals?what are they doing in judea and samaria in the first place? please deport them forthwith.
Really? Ignorance???Uhhhhhh By the time being this conflict could be defined as a low level violent conflict, if compare with some of the big violent ones. Deportation? House demolition? There were . No question about it. Some real vile actions. Nothing dramatic. NATO ( Obama) does worst in in Afghanistan. The world is still waiting for the palestinians to fulfill their option of a national state, in most of the West Bank and Gaza. Borders will be defined in bilateral negotiations and Israel shows great predispotition to achieve an agreement. I really do not believe that the U. N. could provide any relief to palestinians. Their fate is in their hands, they have to earn their rights. Sorry... but national rights are not a gift from heaven, you have to earn them. They are not individual natural rights.
Petra, you know you are named after a beautiful city in an Arab country? You surely are not an American. If you are, why side with a foreign head of state over your own? It's amazing what the American right considers as treason. Jason, this order, regardless of when it was issued, is vile and despicable. If issued in 2007 it was related to Cast Lead. So it was issued to enable the Israelis to deport any Gazans wishing to support their brethren as they were being annihilated in the open air prison called Gaza. Go back to America Jason. AT least there you can spew hatred in your own country.
Israel was overwhelmed with the worst anti propaganda in the last several years by its opponents. It was blamed for all the problems of the middle east & more. Neither the internal situation inside israel itself nor the many worlds problems made it easy for israel to stand up for all these accusations that was thrown on her. All that made it very difficult for israel to answer back or stand for its rights as a sovereign & independent state. Even doubt about its existence started to show among many of israel leaders ! Now many on the international state calling on israel to be (brave ?) and (sacrifice ?) in the cause of (peace ?). Those who are asking Israel & pressing for peace are the same people that started by blaming israel for every mistake on earth ! Playing a double act for the destruction of israel !
not only do the irish chase little children in their care.now they say i have been ignoring the irish problem.how am i supposed to know that priests who are protectors of the faith would actually betray the trust put in them by parents.the archbishop in the uk is quite right. "the irish church has lost all credibility."
"get over it,mind your own business,you do not run either Israel or Australia."psm Really peter---you are getting ragged around the edges. Could it be you resent a !Palestinian" removing your "Jackboot" from his neck. Glad this decade long campaign of yours is failing and getting your gander up. I find your responses ---amusing to say the least.
in two ways. 1 urgent loans for the bank of ireland. 2 send us lawyers to help the rapist priests evade the law.
we in ireland are bankrupt.our banks have nothing in the vaults.we have had to go begging in europe for help.we have been living on handouts for decades and now we have to pay up. to top it all our priests have been raping little infants.
This smells of the Vichy government. Deportations. Imprisonment of innocent citizens. Eviction of a targeted group from their homes. Violating their rights. Violation of the Geneva convention. Is this Netanyahu 's way to convince the international community and Obama of his sincere commitment in the peace process? Isrealis, your leader is pulling you down a dangerous slope. Going one step further into abomination.
I would spread different religious beliefs with several things in common including the same deity and a need to possess the same territory. I would spread plant these religious thoughts in the distant past, then using relativistic Quantum Mechanics dimensional bubbles, I would accelerate myself forward in time while arming Human beings with different means to destroy themselves in a effort to terraform their planet to my liking. My plan would accelerate at the time the internet and televised media can spread the news and the hate and disgust and disdain and violence fueling anger. I would divide and conquer human beings by brainwashing them that their religion is the only way and get them to make each other's lives miserable by continuously fighting each other to the death and when they've beaten each other to near extinction, I would step out of the shadows of my Dark Side of the moon base and invade to conquer their charred remains. That would make a subplot in my film....
As they say, those who do not know history are going to repeat it! It sounds to me that the latest mythology about the Palestinians is that the people coming from Europe, arian blood, blond hair, are natives, while the semite Palestinians are invaders and illegal immigrants...! Which law is used to state this outrageous nonsense? Same argument as used by your founder Adolf Hitler a little while ago to try and eliminate the Jews from Europe?
actually other states -e. g. the usa- act in a similar way.
have you ever taken a look at what the us do to illegal immigrants?
who is Bibi? Who cares?
in australia? some information to those who abuse us from afar. the palestinians in israel are content with their lot.they refuse to be part of the palestinian authority.israel has volunteered to cede their villages on the armistice lines to the palestinian authority.israeli arabs refuse absolutely. before you curse and abuse us further think about that information.
A Bi National State is the eventual outcome. Hopefully the Palestinians will run the New State in a somewhat more civilised manner but some payback might be understandable. Such as taking all the illegal squatters and putting them on boats to noo yoirk. What,s that you say Obama---you dont want them. Is Israel run by madmen--or do they think the rest of us will sit idly by and allow this ethnic cleansing to continue un checked.
I wonder if Amira Hass got all this information from Uri Blau or Ms. Kam? It is nevertheless about time this action was taken against Arab illegal residents of Judea and Shomron
"with your history of the treatment of indigineous peoples and indeed your outright genocide of these people.." Neither of which were my doing olde chap unless I'm a 300 year old Brit. Never the less you seem to think that I agree with past treatment of Australia's aboriginals, yet you have absolutely no evidence to make any such assumptions. "i wonder that you shoild choose to comment on our affairs" Your affairs? Israel was declared in the name of ALL Jewish folk. It's MY business what MY homeland State does. But I understand what you're saying... If Australia gives Australia back to the aboriginals, Israel will stop usurping the Palestinians. It'll stop LYING about it's boundaries and withdraw to them and you will be happy with this situation, correct? Yes? Very brave of you, you'll be labeled an Antisemite, you'll be slurred, insulted accused....
My god this won't effect anything only in a terrorist situation can the person be moved back to gaza. If you have someone planning a terrorist attack and they are from gaza they can be moved back there.
An english parliament lord said in the 1970s: an occupation starts to fall back when there is more killing, destruction, arrest, annexations and all forms of occupational practices. Israel have been an absolute occupier threatening the lives of people in many ways. This will not cause peace, it will only cause hatred and war. Israelis shall rebel against their racist governments because they are the ones threatening their security. The "civilized, modern, just" world is looking! Ok...
The Israeli Government has warned against the Palestinian Authority from "acting unilaterally'. SO I can assume they negotiated this law with the PA before it was passed?
when i read this article things like red khmer and SS spring to mind. unbelievable situations like these are happening in this day and age ... nothing is learned from the past. does the Israeli government really believe this will not turn against them on the long term ? unneeded to state that this really shows the sincerity of the Israeli 'commitment' to peace. sickening ... no other words to describe
with your history of the treatment of indigineous peoples and indeed your outright genocide of these people i wonder that you shoild choose to comment on our affairs.
This order is from 2007 and only in security cases where that person is involved in terrorism. This must be part of the documents the soldier took in 2007. Bibi is getting hit with wave after wave of things that happened before he took office then this paper splashes the headline like it just happened. This paper is on a mission to take bibi down.
Thank you for your erudite explanation about the history you seem to know so well! The Arabs are not mentioned, RIGHT! they come from the Hijaz, not Palestine. But the Filastin are, what was Samson doing pulling down the Temple? Roman maps call Palestine with the right name the one used by the INDIGENOUS people: PALESTINA. The KINGDOM OF JUDEA ended about Bar Kockba time and nobody has ever seen it since! The Jews of Abraham come from Mesopotamia, went to live in Egypt, and after the Pharaoh kicked them out they CONQUERED the so called promised land. Indigenous? What a sick joke! You think we do not read the Bible?????
If you are not in Israel how can you dismiss peoples arguments because they dont live with the threats within Israel? I live in Israel and I agree that this policy is a terrible and unjust one, would you like to now try to justify the policy without using the excuse that 'I don't know what its like to live with threats because I don't live in Israel.'
It is hard to believe this is real. Will Israeli Settlers be targeted as well? Oh wait, the Jewish settlers can do as they please while non-Jews are held to a completely different standard. If you are going to kick out people in the West Bank who shouldn't be there, how can you not start with the settlers?!?!
is about to be elected as head of the biggest political party in the netherlands.
the thirty million muslims in europe are hated beyond reason.they are not allowed to build mosques while anti immigrant parties have sprung up all over europe.
they are frequently chased by crowds on the beaches and sometimes beaten up.
in london bradford and manchester to be gone.anywhere.just leave.
get over it,mind your own business,you do not run either Israel or Australia.
intifada, war? WE are all waiting for it. Either you win, there will be more misery imposed on the Palestinians, and more outrage in the world: you will feel the pain, or you will loose, so you will feel more pain. Either way, you are deep to your neck in it, don't open your mouth!
This is from 2007 and haaretz is using it to beat up on the present govt. This isn't about deporting tens of thousands of people. If there is a security situation with an individual they can be taken back to gaza. Then haaretz uses that to say tens of thousands can be deported back when they know it will only happen in security situations so the implementation has only allowed a few to be taken back to gaza. But Haaretz is on a mission to destroy the current govt doesn't matter if this only will effect a few people planning attacks and it doesn't matter if it happened in 2007 before this govt. Anything to get incitement against tihs govt. Enough is enough.
Only if a security situation arises with people then they can move them back to gaza if there is a situation with that person. Yet Haaretz scaremongers again with an order from 2007 which was stolen from the soldier.
whose Homeland is in Judea now called Palestine, the name change took place during the Roman rule of the Christ era. But the land is that of JUDEA where Christ a Jew was born. By the same token where were the Palestinians or Arabs when Jesus was being crucified in Calvary outside of Jerusalem 2000 years ago? No mention of Arabs in the Gospels or Testaments, only the indigenous people the Jews and Romans were there ... Please answer.
What's up Peter? read oberver 112....
I could not care less what Britain do. I am not British. Well, some becomes PM (Disraeli) some become Ministers (Balfour) some made loads of money (Rothshields) and some are sent to Australia with one way trip ticket.
Obviously a one state solution is the only one whereby Pa;estinians will be legally entitled to live and breathe!
We're thinking of using just such a law to kick all the Jews out of Canada. Good for the goose and all...Right?
the so-called 'Palestinians' are but the Homeless ARAB RefuGees disowned by the Arab Leaders ofter the Arab defeat in the 1948 Arab/Israeli War and these refugees in fact belong to their vast Homelands in the Peninsula of Arabia. Only trouble is the Arab Leaders don't want them. Sorry.
The rain in Spain comes mainly in the plains. The raain in Spaain falls maainly in the plaain.
This is just what we expect of a Bibi government and actually it is good for the world to see what Israel is really all about. A zionist police state which has more in common with Iran than with any western democracy.
This is already going too far. There really is no real reason to deport these people, but fear. If Israelis don't start becoming a little more rational, empathetic and NICE in their decisions, Israel's days are numbered, especially in the heart of us Israelis who are already disgusted with the apathy, indifference and down right waste of life Israel has become; all money, or complete religion. WHERE IS THE SANITY?
Frightening. Truly frightening. Just the word deportations conjures up terrible images. How is it possible that the Zionist dream has turned into the Zionist nightmare? Every Jew should be ashamed.
Confront your Arab Leaders who absconded you after their defeatof the 1948 Arab/Israeli War barring all Arab Governments from giving Palestinian Refugees Arab Citizenship. Blame your Leaders and not the Jewish State.
folk trying to justify Israel's vile policies. I always thought education was a fine Jewish tradition, seems not where Israel is concerned. Education seems to have amounted to learning to shut one's eyes, repeat the Hasbara, deny.
That was done to protect their right of return back to Palestine.
Doesn't matter there hasn't been a rocket or suicide bomber from West Bank in years. The validity of this order is obvious. Once it is put into effect rockets will be fired from the West Bank again confirming the need for this order and its enforcement. Once rockets are fired from West Bank again poor, poor victimized israel will just have to get rid of all the other pesky Palestinians currently occupying Judea-Samaria.
Lost my whole family, mother, father and two siblings in a Palestinian Suicide-bombing a few years ago. This is Israel with Arabs who have massive territory wanting to take over a little piece of Jewish Land. When Greed awakens Wisdom goes to sleep. I shall never forgive.
You hardly understand facts of political life. 1)The West Bank is not Palestine 2) Non state palestinian entity= nonesense= of no value. 3)The West Bank is a territory whose fate will be defined in political negotiations. In the meantime jews can settle where they feel to. Nobody enforces them to do anything. 3) Military rule in the meantime should prevent terrorist attacks and terrorist organization to take hold. This is what they are doing 4) Israel is no sanctioned by the S.C. Do you undertsdand this simple fact of life? The SC has tools to deal with violators of International Law. No sanctions= law is useless. That means that in the absence of sanctions there are only recommendation coming from a bunch of dictatorial terrorist states that you might pay respect to them. Why? I don't. The whole conflict about borders and territories is political not legal. Legality has nothing to be with this issue.
I thought the ghetto wall was to stop infiltration? How can any person with any trace decency defend this latest despicable act which subjects the long suffering LEGAL inhabitants of the Occupied lands to more harassment, SHAME ON ISRAEL.
years!!! Calling them arabs is a political term so your likes -who live on the other end of the world and know NOTHING about the reality of life in Palestine- could legalize and bless their deportation to Arab countries. If they speak the same language it does not mean they're not Palestinians. In Canada people speak English, does this mean that they should take over the US??? Read the "Balfour declaration" it is PALESTINE who was occupied by Jewish immigrants... and people who were there were PALESTINIANS, whether you like it or not. It's a FACT.
One gets the feeling that the Judiciary in Jerusalem has decided to clear the decks. Now, assuming that the West Bank is now under military control, then no doubt we are witnessing the beginning of the true intentions, that is unfortunately called ethnic cleansing! In the name of security.! Taking into account that the lawless and wild west bank has no more judiciary, but that of the military courts, will no doubt be cause of an uprising never yet seen by Israeli Society. For we are talking about tens of thousands of perfectly decent folk, sure, there are a few bad apples, but are we witnessing what some claim as collective punishment on a grand scale.? No doubt, Israel must be divided over this contentious affair. No doubt, the clouds of war and oppression must be stopped. No doubt, the far right settler movement has been given a green light for furthering their aims on what the majority of Israelis consider taboo. Good day.
Who are you to decide who should go where??? Those people were born in Palestine... and their ancestors for thousands of years were there... and no one has a right to move them! Enough the suffering your likes caused when you actually immigrated and took their lives and land by force. It's not up to you stranger to decide anything for them. Go back where your parents were born!
the whole of Palestine by force! Racist Fascist State... this won't last forever. There is justice in the world and when it's time, many people will regret their crimes.
the world will do nothing to prevent it. (Except complain).
No doubt about it. But Arab/Palestine is in Jordan, so what is all the fuss about? Seems like Jordan does not want any more Palestinian/Arab Refugees and would rather Israel take them over. Unfair, because Israel is miniscule and has only 0.01% of land while Jordan holds a huge massive piece of land cut out of the Mideast specially for a Homeland for the Palestinian/Arabs. What is fair in the Mideast? Naught.
Guess it
It is to prevent terrorists infiltrating, including Hamas terrorists. You have heard of Hamas suicide bombers etc haven't you? What their aims are?Feel free to read their charter. WB is under military occupation Gaza is run totally by Hamas within its borders.
I know better than to get into a policy debate based upon the lack of information in this article, but the practical upshot is that the enforcement of this law will divide families, disrupt lives and inflame tensions. Still waters run deep in this area, and there are many levels that this policy draws upon, but using the "army way" to deal with a civilian matter is a disaster for all concerned, Israel's image and democratic nature included. Bibi and Lieberman are undermining Israel's democracy and rule of law. A country's character is measured by how it treats the most vulnerable of its citizens, and residents. Where is the Supreme Court in all of this?
that was when so much was heard of the Palestinians their famous suicide-bombers, before that they were Arabs with whom the Jews fought for their Homeland in 48, 56, 67, 73, but it was against the Palestinians only in Cast Lead. What is the change all about?
"Israel has the legal right to act that way." It doesn't as the occupying power. "The West Bank does not belong to any other country." Irrelevant, it ISN'T Israeli, Israel has never legally annexed ANY territory outside it's acknowledged and recognized sovereign boundaries. " It is doubtly or disputable included within the concept of occupation" Read the GC's esp Art. 49. Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive. "However, the real question is political. The whole conflict has nothing to be with legality.." It has EVERYTHING to do with legality.
... just as we prepared the sweeping East J'lem building surprise for Obama's vice pres, it is now timely to prepare a Pal WB sweep-out for Obama's envoy... at least we are consistant...
Why is that we hear so little of Arabs but only Palestinians? Are they not the same people only the Palestinians are Arabs who lived under the Britih Mandate? Regards.
What did Britain do with enemy alliens? Including Jews who were deported
G: "What I don`t understand is.... why does the world think the Israelis should allow those who`s stated main goal is the destruction of Israel, to live amongst them? " This is because a Palestinian who is living in the West Bank is not "living amongst Israelis". The West Bank is not part of Israel, Gabi i.e. it is merely "Israeli occupied territory", and not "Israeli territory" The occupying power is NOT entitled to forcibly eject protected persons from occupied territory FOR ANY REASON i.e. doing so is unconditionally prohibited. If a protected person poses a danger to the occupying power then that occupier can detain them, and/or it can imprison them. Q: But eject them? A: No, that is absolutely prohibited.
Not to mention the thousands they have killed and expelled in the past.
Military law and actions are the true expression of Israeli foreign and domestic policy, chilling if you follow it to its ultimate goal. The Israeli Palestinian citizens - over 20% of its population - are next. The army will surely find a good explanation as to why they "don't belong". As a member of the world of nations, Israel risks damnation.
Jordan had a right to citizenship in 1946. Those who were not in that area were Palestinians, (even Jewish folk up till 1948) Now the folk in what remains of Palestine after Israel declared Sovereignty, belong in what is left of Palestine. I know you'd like to be rid of those pesky Palestinians....
Strict laws shouldve been placed long ago to stop this from ever happening in the first time i wish we had those rules in Holland that has become a muslim state with mousques on every corner.\
"why does the world think the Israelis should allow those who`s stated main goal is the destruction of Israel, to live amongst them?" The West Bank is NOT Israel. " Makes no sense to me." I'm sure you'll strive to keep it that way. Why don`t the arabs leave Israel " This is about the West Bank, not Israel.
By courtesy of UNRWA a Palestinian Refugee is one whose normal place of residence is : 1st June 1946 to 15th May 1948 somewhere in the region of 'Palestine' Mideast. Regards.
"..do tell where current residency permits are not required" Gaza and the West Bank are both parts of the same entity......There is no such thing as a citizen of Gaza or a citizen of the West Bank. They're citizens of Palestine. Israeli civilian law is not valid in occupied territories.
The mass expulsion of Palestinians from any part of the territory occupied in 1967 -- including east Jerusalem -- would constitute and express violation of international law and a crime against humanity. We can be sure that the United States, as it has for over 40 years, will look the other way. But what has changed of late is the popular perception of Israel worldwide. This order, if it is allowed to stand and, worse, if it is actually acted upon, will only serve to reinforce the world's perception of Israel as one of the leading violators of human rights in the past 50 years.
Please dont be spreading disinformation on here, especially when it can be easily verified. You said its a crime for a Jew to live in an Arab country ? Funny propaganda buddy. Let`s see... Your so called evil enemy # 1 Iran ,holds over 25000 Jew to it alone to this day , which actually have reserved seats on its parliament. Wait, Morocco holds around 7500/ Hmm ..Jews in Tunisia represent the largest indigenous religious minority. Should I go on ? So please quit spreading your deceitful "facts" on respectful Haaretz`s pages.
The world is much beeter without Israel.
Israel has the legal right to act that way. The West Bank does not belong to any other country. It is doubtly or disputable included within the concept of occupation. However, the real question is political. The whole conflict has nothing to be with legality but with politics. Politically it is a very bad decision, especially in present times. Hopefully it won't prosper.
Are you reccommending we take everybody that turns up at the door in OZ? Shall we have a binational Australian/Afghan state?
Israel according to the Supreme Court is the military occupying power.
Excellent! finally! Next stop ....Jordan, their real country.
B: "Exactly same as US does with illegal alliens" No, Boruch, this is completely different, precisley because the West Bank is not *in* Israel, and is *not* the sovereign. Israel is the "occupying power", the West Bank is "occupied territory", and the Palestinians are "protected persons" under international humanitarian law. The situation is therefore completely different. Consider if the USA invaded Mexico and then decided (for its own convenience) that it would occupy Mexico City but besiege Tiahana, and THEN decided that it had the "right" to scoop up Mexicans inside Mexico City and deposit them in Tiahana because "that's where they belong". Illegal under Art49 of Geneva Convention IV.
since jordan annulled their citizenship they should be deported back to palestine. after all thats where they came from in the first place. i wonder what would happen if they forced theri way back into Palestine? i know i would be cheering in the streets here.
why does the world think the Israelis should allow those who's stated main goal is the destruction of Israel, to live amongst them? Makes no sense to me. Why don't the arabs leave Israel and live among their own kind in the surrounding countries ie Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon or Syria? Israel is just a tiny country. I wish someone would answer this for me and help this foreigner understand.
king abdallah is generous and humane , he will welcome all deported palestinians into jordan and then he,ll get billions from rich arab states to accomodate the refugees . good business deal for poor jordan . israel also can share the loot .
"The West Bankers do not want the Gazans" "The West Bankers were Jordanians" Only those folk in what became Jordan had an automatic right to become Jordanian in 1946. In 1950 Jordan annexed the West Bank only as a temporary trustee. "while the Gazans were Egyptians.." Twaddle. Egypt occupied, it did not claim Gaza as it's own. I've shown you the evidence before. How much are you paid to lie?
information? 1. Try reading carefully; who is going to be expelled? those who are in an area they are not supposed to be in or have no proper permits, same as any other sovereign nation protects its territory. 2. WB & Gaza were lost by Jordan & Egypt in a war they initiated by attacking Israel in its 1967 borders. Land captured in defensive war is not occupied land. 3. WB, Gaza & E. Jerusalem were in Arab hands since 1948 until 1967, How many times could they be declared Palestine and its capital? The Arabs and Pals preferred war and they lost it. 4. Amira, you are a lousy correspondent, check your facts.
After the horrible mistakes he commited as a result of his total lack of vision, Peres should keep away of politics and Media. Only a peace process with the acceptance by the Arabs to be resettled in other Arab countries had a chance to bring peace to the region. Financial compensations would be the main reason for the Arabs to accept their resettlement. The best solution for the Arabs would be to leave the borders of “greater Israel,” so that Israel could then annex the West Bank and perhaps Gaza. Advancing this solution, daily, at any occasion, might creat a new perception and bring peace. Any different solution presents a risk of an endless war. For more details: http://xrl.us/bjcgx
We tolerated the hijacking of our civilian airliners and using them as napalm loaded missiles to destry our world trade towers and the pentagon, we tolerated Iran ayatollahs holding our diplomats hostages while the ayatollahs heaped insults upon us. We tolerated the N. Korean development of nuclear bombs and their sale to Iran and Syria. we tolerated the murder of 250 peace keeping marines in Beirut, We tolerate a great deal many capital crimes by Arabs and Muslims, so I don't see why we shouldn't tolerate arresting and deporting those who are, or abet or otherwise support Muslim terrorists, murderers and hate mongers who have declared war upon us and Israel. We may actually one day stop tolerating that from those, probably only after they have succeed in totally expropriating profits from our oil companies, and finally after the Muslim conspiracy and treachery against our country is unmasked. Its been done before, against the German Bund in WW-l and by the UUAC after WW-ll
There cannot be one without the other.
If this story is even partly true, it tolls the death of any remaining shared values between the US and Israel.
Deportation to a prison. Guards not allowing in sufficient food (according to the UN). What ever happened to "Never again"?
Purge the enemy within.....before it's too late.
Billy Boy, please go on over to Israel. I am from AZ also, and I don't share your opinion. Since Israel is dangerous to America, I suggest you are not being patriotic. Or does god get in your way. Take your delusions and go. Israel is racist, non-democratic, and arrogant. You are too.
... cannot imagine that Obama, EU will allow Bibi-Lieberman to get away with this vast horror... carried to its logical conclusion, such an order would sweep the settlers clean out of the WB...
So now in addition to requiring permits to get from the West Bank into the seamline zone to work their OWN LAND, Palestinians also need to have a permit to get into the West Bank? Agricultural permits to get across the separation fence to their own land are hard to come by, so we can assume that the IDF will do its best to prevent people from getting into what should be Palestine. It's more than a bit frightening to see that the civil courts no longer have a say in these things and that policy towards Palestinian people is being determined by the army. Perhaps it's time Israel remembered the White Paper preventing more Jewish immigration to Palestine. How easy it is to forget what it is like to be kept off your own land.
The onslaught of islamic terrorism forces Nations to protect their borders.Granted not all "palestinians" are terrorists.The majority is only trying to survive,but they are paying a heavy price for being in the same boat(or barca rio-niteroi)...It's nice to see that you are a friend.Bear on mind,Law abiding arabs,christians or moslems,citizens of Israel,live in much better conditions than anybody in an arab country,unless he belongs to one of the royal families or the oil mogul's families...BUT ISRAEL NEEDS TO PROTECT THEIR PEOPLE,NO MATTER WHAT...THE SAME WAY BRAZIL OR THE USA HAVE TO PROTECT THEIR PEOPLES
What is the logic of such policy? Is it based on a Jewish religion? Since Israel is a Jewish state. And where they are going to be deported to? I really like an answer to these questions?
Send the occupiers back to Gaza. The West Bank needs to be returned to its rightfull owners, and that is Israel. Then once the occupiers are all back in Gaza deport all of them, clean out Gaza so that Israel can finnaly live in peace. Send them along with Hamas and Hezbollah back to Iran,. Take Irans weapons and give them to Irac. The only reason the Irac people live in daily terror is because of Iranian interferance preventing Irac from being able to defend itself against an Iranian threat. Irans second president Al-Sader is in the making of taking over Irac by lies and intimidation by killing every Irac citizen that resist him and his forces.
why should we tolerate gaza arabs infiltating into the west bank?
Assuming we'd taken to booting people from Oaxaca out of Mexico City, barring travel from Sonora to Jalisco, and deporting any foreign visitors to Mexico who displeased us, you'd have a point.
I don't think anyone who knows the nature of the Israeli theocracy will be too surprised at this. First there's the legislation designed to take advantage of the rather archaic Palestinian system of land and property rights, which the Israeli courts already use to evict Palestinians from their land and homes. Now the Israeli theocracy legislates to deport indigenous Palestinians from their land of birth, in favor of any American or European economic migrants who profess to be remotely Jewish.
'A new military order aimed at preventing infiltration...' Now, to that this is the purpose of the new order is, to say the least, dubious. There are those who would argue that the IDF isn't terribly worried about preventing inflitration.' Rather, they're looking for a tool to quash protest. This should come in handy, shouldn't it?
This news should not surprise anyone. There has been an ongoing process of ethnic cleansing for decades, divide and conquer and keep dividing areas and people within Palestine and this is more of the same. This is further evidence that the only option left for Palestinians to pursue will be the one state solution. I pray and hope Palestinians wake up and choose this path in earnest. Let the Zionists dream of removing the inhabitants not become a reality. This can only be done once Israel's TRUE CHARACTER is challenged and CHANGED for good. Israel is neither democratic or Jewish. The scam of the millennium continues. The Zionist enterprise is proving daily creating a "Jewish homeland" is not on their agenda. There is Israel? But of course now we see that was a ruse.
Boruch, you & others like you are sick! If Israel revived gas chambers as a means of solving the "Palestinian question", I'm sure you'd support, no critical assessment needed. You'd find a way to rationaliZe it. You even go down to the level of trying to make an analogy of (X) lawful and moral US migration power to deport illegal aliens from US soil, with (Y) what is without a doubt ethnic cleansing. (Y) is the mass expulsion of Palestinians from Palestinian lands, not Israel! WB & Gaza aren't Israel even according to Israel! Israel hasnt annexed it, although if it had, it'd been void like East Jerusalem annexation is void in international law. The order also aims to deport Palestinians from Palestinian territories! If a Gazan (or child of a Gazan born in WB) entered WB via Jordan, order says they're deported to Jordan, not Gaza! More refugees anyone? An analogy is if Canada were occupier & they deported Alaskans in CA, NY, TX, etc... to Mexico, cos the Alaskans entered via Mexico.
to its occupation of Palestinian territory. This is going to stir up alot of resolve on the international front, which has been vocal thus far, but otherwise largely quiescent.
In the EU zone, people without 'legal papers (when caught),are put in 'camps for month's or even years and than send back (with EU taxpayers money) to the countries they came from. The same in the US. What's the big 'bruhaha about, it happens all over the world. Without 'legal pepers you're NOT allowed to stay.
However, let's hope you're right this time. If carried out, massive deportations would be disastrous to Palestinian families (not that you'd care) and Israel as well.
The West Bankers do not want the Gazans. The West Bankers were Jordanians while the Gazans were Egyptians and many identify with the Hamas.
The 'need to do a little research' is yours. UNSC Res 1860 Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008), Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state,
The West bank has not been legally annexed to Israel. Nor has any other territory. So you're talking out of your hat...
The West Bank is NOT Israeli.
This is a disgusting example of Israel's twisted mentality and vile expansionist policies. It does this under the military rule of occupation, while settling the area under it's illegitimate (in territories occupied) civil law.
When will the world wake up in solidarity with decency, fairness, justice, common humanity? This announcement should have been met by recall of ambassadors, condemnations, sanctions against this vile government. This will not happen, of course, as EU, USA etc seek easier targets. The irony is that people whose ancestry on this land could be 1200 years unbroken will be expelled by those whose parents were born in Eastern Europe. One good sign is that at least one hitherto pro-Israeli poster has been critical of this racist move.
Yes, it's true there are many racists in the U.S. who support Israel's policies vis-a-vis the people of Palestine. But most Americans, as most people around the world, do not support ethnic cleansing or collective punishment.
When the American gov't is already convinced that the Israeli government is doing whatever it can to sabotage the peace process, they have to pull this. I guess they think that the rest of the world is just going to sit back and sing HaTikvah.
thank you Nyettaniahu for showing the true face of Israel. I am sure Obama will be happy to show his support for your actions!
The US media just reads the Englsh Israeli press . So they probably will "repeat what they read" as if its fact. Given the hyperbole and opinions as fact in this article, Haaretz is plainly guilty of "incitement", akin to shouting fire in a crowded theater. Shame on you! and on your Editors.
You cant occupy an area then expel its citizens.
Not Happy: Please wait a few days to see if this story has legs. The author is not exactly known as a stickler for facts.
Dear Mr. Danny M. You are entirely wrong. Exactly because of those ambitions and lack of sensibility for the Arabic Palestinian people, Israel, today,is very isolated in the whole world. The true friends of the Jewish State, like me, regret it very much. Think more about it, please. God bless you. Luiz Felipe Haddad, Brazilian Christian.
Now that we know its only a matter of letting all the residents of Israel vote. I like your rational because there are other racist states its ok for Israel to be one...
As many know i am totally pro-israeli, but this is just plain wrong. no matter how pro-israeli i am, i cannot agree with such an order. LEAVE THE PEOPLE ALONE
that Israel is better than its Arab neighbors. Your right the Arab states are racist regimes and so is Israel but one big difference, Israel is a racist regime backed by a superpower and spoils it with billions in Military Aid.The other Arab regimes don't have that privelege. but then again they don't have senators,congressman etc etc imbedded in the superpower.Your Scales of Morality and Justice in a mans world are different from Gods.
Or maybe it already has. It only takes a straw when it's the last straw.
It seems to me Bibi's govt is pushing Pals to the brink in hopes of creating a scenario in which it will claim "security reasons" to justify deporting large numbers of Pals. Now they're simply doing the handy work to make it said deportions "legal." What's happening is arguably ethnic cleansing.
so what they have to do with it thats p.a's problem
jews who have no real connection can say but arabs who's parents and real family there will be thrown out
Those of you who think the West Bank and Gaza are totally autonomous entities need to do a little research. Both areas are still part of Israel and thus are under Israeli control. They are allowed limited autonomy in that they have their own local governments and can pass local laws, but must have approval and oversight from Israel. Israel also has the right to reclaim part or all of the land as they see fit. Israel has exercised incredible restraint over the years and they are under no obligation to bend any further. Israel can take back all Palestinian land and expel them from Israel altogether if they want. They've been pretty lenient up to now. My advice to the Palestinians is not to push their luck.
Bill, Bill, Bill. Same old tune on every post. Old Bill thinks that if he writes it enough times, it will be factual. I'm afraid it doesn't work that way Billy boy. We americans have minds of our own and will judge what we support and do not support on our own. Maybe you are referring to 1 million (not millions) out of the 360 million Americans?
"The West Bank is Israel`s" "Really? Since when?" Since Jordan, Iraq, Egypt and Syria attacked Israel over and over again and they lost it. Do you know that last week Jordan was telling the USA not so quick giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinians because they have not quit their rights to it from the times they held it. There is the proof. Jordan lost its territory, territory they were holding and while they were holding it, never gave Palestinians their own country and neither did the Egyptians with Gaza. Send all the Gazans to Egypt and all he Palestinians to Jordan, this will get them back to their home countries, and consider all the properties stolen from Jewish families all over the Arab Countries compensation for what they are about to loose. Either that or return with interests the value of the property. Also make them pay retribution for all the Jews they killed while emptying their countries of Jews.
Why would the IDF be allowed to do this while their country is still recovering from a brutal row with the United States? Is it because they don't care, or because the possibility of mass deportations is slim at best? I doubt the IDF has the political clout to actually pull through and deport these people. Is it just me, or does it seem like this article is more of an opinion piece than real news? This policy is unrealistic; the IDF is incapable of deporting tens of thousands of Palestinians without a war or some other event which would "justify" the expulsion.
If Israel wants to enforce the law, let them expel all the illegal Jewish settlers they dump into the West Bank.
I understand the security problem with illegal immigrants to the W. Bank but at the same strongly suggest Israel not implement the law. In fact I believe this will inflame whatever is left of the world that still supports Israel along with those who do not. This is the worst possible move Netanyahu could make and I hope he backs down. To tell you the truth I think it would bring about many Jewish people withdrawing support for the Jewish State. Can you imagine the photos that will be sent round the world? Disaster for the Palestinian families and disaster for the Jews.
As an american who supported Israel this is terrible. Do you think your going to get support from the world after this?? Your nations is traveling down a dangerous rosd that will end in a conclussion you will not be happy with. I can't want into the world truely puts your nation forever in the doghouse with americans protesting in front of every Israeli Embassy and Consulate in the world.
As an american who supported Israel this is terrible. Do you think your going to get support from the world after this?? Your nations is traveling down a dangerous rosd that will end in a conclussion you will not be happy with. I can't want into the world truely puts your nation forever in the doghouse with americans protesting in front of every Israeli Embassy and Consulate in the world.
Smacks even more of 1938.
Looking evil or being evil? The first one you can run from; the second one you can't.
I hope Haaretz will publish my posting. Haaretz has been playing picky on those who support Israel and playing loose to those who hate Israel. This is definitely a great idea as no one care about your safety. You are a great Nation Israel!! So, do what you have to do to protect your people and land given by G-D. The secular world will not even acknowledge G-D, their lives are just futile and in the end lead to destruction.. Thus, why do you have to listen to the G-D hatred? Just follow what is right for you.. Warning: do not bow on Obama who bowed many times to the Arab and Japanese.
"These measures target people in the area ILLEGALLY" Such as the settlers?
Israel needs one. He was the creator and guiding light for the nation. Just need some gas chambers to complete the picture. I wonder how God will dispossess you this time.
Speak for yourself Bill. Intelligent and thoughtful Americans do not and will not support such a brutal and undemocratic policy. And for everyone else's information, Mescal, AZ is nothing but an abandoned movie set. Where are you really from, Bill?
when the Haganaht destroyed Arab villages and homes, expressed surprise that the residents 'abandoned' the land, and then filled it with Jewish immigrants. Along with the recent announcement of new settlements in the West Bank, maybe this will further poison the relationship with the U.S. to a point where Israel will realize that it must either work toward a genuine peace or go it alone. Many in America hope Israel chooses the latter.
"The West Bank is Israel`s" Really? Since when? Since Israel threw its illegal settlements and outposts all over it, stole its natural resources and are now removing its people?
When Jordan annulled the citizenship of more than 70000 Palestinians a couple of months ago - where were you people then? These measures target people in the area ILLEGALLY.
The lack of informaiton is within you...you have no idea what it must be like to live with the threat of suicide bombers...being with the left had meaning during the Vietnam War ....now it's just a club of "real cool" critics of Israel....misguided !
I don't like the idea of needing ID cards to be in an area. It reminds me of when Israel was under the british mandate and they used to imprison ppl if they didn't have an ID card because they were trying to control how many Jews entered Israel. I understand they want to make sure certain people don't go from Gaza 2 the West Bank so what is happening in Gaza doesn't happen there, but I think there might be other ways to do this.
I thought the settlers were the ones breaking the law.
Maybe American Jews, but Israel should understand Americans as a whole with not tolerate this excuse to extradite the native indigenous peoples. I am extremely disappointed in Israel. If they deny the Pals a legitimate state, then Israel needs to provide a path to full Israeli citizenship to the Pals. Better plan on including Gaza.
All these illegal Arabs want the benefits of being closer to Israel and to take advantage of Israel's wealth, yet want to destroy it. Back to Gaza where you belong! Back to the other countries from where you came! Israel is a Jewish State and if you don't agree, simply leave.
...and outposts. As the settlers are illegal they should be the first to be deported.
The West Bank is Israel's, John. If the Arab's want it, they can always start a war. Fair warning, they'll lose more land if they do. Don't want to hear your crying if it happens. Racist regime ?? You must be referring to the Arab States, where a Jew cannot be a citizen, cannot own land (death penalty to the party selling land to a Jew). Ohhh, you mean THAT racist regime. Get your facts before you post.
Don't be surprised now when this is exactly how the jews are treated in Palestine. Reap what you sew!
You say millions of Americans believe this is the right thing to do. Please share any polls or other sampling showing this to be a fact.
Arabs from Gaza that live illegally in judea and samaria that throw bricks and firebombs at our cars while we drive and at our soldiers may now think twice. They don't care about being arrested, but being deported may serve as a deterent and save lives.
"illegal infiltrators" (aka settlers) to be expelled from w bank! bravo, israel
How much more evil can Israel get?
(Q) Will the U.S. media finally give this front page coverage? (A) No. Since when do Jews expel?
Millions of americans believe this is the right thing to do for your national security. Ignore those who oppose you.They are your enemies.
When will the world open its eyes and see that the only solution is the OneState binational solution.
What is the purpose of this order? And under the Geneva Conventions, isn't it a violation to forcibly remove people from one area and resettle them somewhere else, i.e., those people born in the West Bank who will be forcibly resettled in Gaza because they don't have the correct Israeli controlled documentation? I can't wait to read the justifications for this, I am sure everyone's faith in humanity will be restored once we have read those justifications.
they'd screwed up the wording, and all the settlers had to be deported. In fact...'I'm sorry, but those ARE the new rules.' Netanyahu reluctantly solves his biggest problem.
This could be the final straw for the international community...no more coddling the racist regime. Is the west bank Palestine or Israel?
The only reason that public opinion in the U.S. is pro-Israel is because of the complete lack of fair media coverage. U.S. public opinion would change on a dime if truth were known.