IDF official: Neither Israel nor PA wants violence

They have all of the land from Northern India to Spain, from Chechnya to South Sudan and all of the land that they control, they murdered every infidel they could not enslave and you would correlate their vast, blood soaked empire, with the Warsaw Ghetto? When they rule your land and they will rule your land if your President is any indication, they will happily butcher your children like they did all of the other infidels and you will believe that they are the victims until their blades have severed your neck.

"Rage" is not "logic" and even animals experience it. Hamas doesn't want logic, they want anger, which will lead to escalation, and misery for many.... logic would be "let's not risk bringing suffering on so many of our neighbors and ourselves over a single Synagogue." Slamming your car into someone else's because they forgot to use a turning signal and then having a shootout is not logical, and that makes a small thing into a terrible thing. Stupid. Hamas... so can the Swiss throw rocks at Muslims over minarets? Oh, hypocritical violent Muslims.

"The logic: IF East Jerusalem was occupied in 1967 (it was) AND Israel won`t withdraw from it (it won`t) THEN THERE CAN BE NO PEACE (there isn`t)." Yeah Johnboy that's what they say: ....THERE CAN BE NO PEACE as long as Israel exists,says Nasrallah.It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on Earth. ....THERE CAN BE NO PEACE until we Palestinians take over everything,including all of Jerusalem,said Arafat and Abbas says the same: We'll sacrifice victims until Jerusalem is ours. ....Haniyeh told the crowd in Gaza "Jerusalem is ours." And what Johnboy says? They want all of Jerusalem because Israel doesn't respect res.242 Definitely you and peace hate each other to death.....

Site me the text from the legal doctrine and not the decisions of the security council that occur AFTER THE FACT. We all know the preamble to 242, what I am explaining is that before this preamble there existed a set of protocols. The legal doctrines are objective, they do not site country A or country B they site theorectical situations, the UNSC rulings are subjective, one great reason is the fact that there were 4+ drafts for 242, obviously people viewed it differently, but legal treaties adopted before the fact said the samething when they were enacted as when they did on that day. And you are mistaken regarding 67. What happens when you break an armstice johnboy? Because before Israel destroys Egypt's air force egypt and syria break an armstice that created the cease fire now if i am not mistaken when you break a cease fire you resume war right? And Jordan jumps in after its Allies broke an armstice and jordan could have stayed out, it choice not to.

Then let they lay down their weapons and go home. Peace will happen naturally, without effort.

a: "In other words, Israel is acting legally, until sanctions will be issued against it." So no action contrary to int'l law can be "illegal" until the UNSC declares that the offender is under sanction? That does run afoul of two problems: Problem 1) If your argument is correct then why is there an International Court of Justice???? That court would appear to be superfluous (indeed, a contradition) under your "logic" Problem 2) The UN Charter charges the UNSC to impose Ch7 sanctions in the name of "world peace and security" i.e. a nation can be sanctioned without ever doing anything "illegal". Iran is a case in point: it is under Ch7 sanctions, but the UNSC does not make any pretense that Iran has violated the terms of the NTP. Read the UN Charter: the UNSC is a SECURITY council, it does NOT need to make a finding of "illegality" in order to apply sanctions, nor MUST it apply sanctions when it decides that an act is "illegal".

a: "Israel has a legitimate claim over Judea and Samaria, not less, and even more than palestinians." Israel has a legitimate claim over ALL of the territory allocated to the "Jewish state" in 1947. The Palestinians have a legitimate claim to ALL of the territory allocated to the "Arab state" in 1947. a: "All at all however, these are disputed territories" No, actually. All the territorial gains made by Israel during 1948-49 is "disputable", tho' the Pals have signalled that they will not pursue their (legitimate) claim. The fate of Jerusalem is "disputable", but only that part allocated to the corpus seperatum. None of the West Bank/Gaza is "disputable" i.e. it is ALL indisputably territory that the Pals can claim for the "Arab state". a: "the only thing that legally counts are the binding resolutions of the Security Council." !!! No. Int'l humanitarian law also LEGALLY counts.

SDHD: "We all know that 242 does no such thing." Yes it does. 242: "the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:" 242: "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;" The logic: IF East Jerusalem was occupied in 1967 (it was) AND Israel won't withdraw from it (it won't) THEN THERE CAN BE NO PEACE (there isn't). SDHD: "It does not call for a full withdrawal." It also doesn't call for a "full peace", or didn't you notice that? Do you want to argue that the absence of the phrase "full peace" means that Res 242 is saying that Israel is entitled to a "just and lasting ersatz peace inside Eretz Yisrael"? Your "logic" would appear to demand exactly that....

SDHD: "Nothing says that Israel must withdraw from E. Jerusalem." 242: "the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: " 242: "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;" Q: Does Res 242 say that the IDF must withdraw from territory occupied in 1967? A: Yes. Q: Was East Jerusalem occupied by the IDF in 1967? A: Yes. Q: Has the IDF withdrawn from East Jerusalem? A: No. In uppsy down town, the sky is in the sea. The sea is where the sky should be. The rain is falling up, instead of falling down. Where?!?!? In uppsy down town. Uppsy down town is located somewhere on Planet Zion, apparently.....

Only a fool can say this... E: "Again CJ - You Cite Subjective Solutions" And then in the same post say this.... E: "UN Charter +GC is against Wars of Aggression NOT DEFENSIVE WARS." So CJ is "subjective" when he points out that there is an absolute prohibition on the acquisition of territory by war, while you are being "objective" claiming that it makes a difference wether you (or "they") started it!!!! I think you need to look up the word "subjective" in the dictionary, Eli. BTW: Do you know that Adolph Hitler claimed that Poland attacked Germany? Look it up: it's the "Gleiwitz incident". Such nonsense is exactly why int'l law can't be bothered concerning themselves with "who started it?", precisely because both sides always point the finger at the other guy and says "they did!" Int'l law solves that **SUBJECTIVE** argument by saying that the acquisition of territory by war is illegal NO MATTER WHO DOES IT.

of is ignored and deflected by your ilk. A child starving to death,with nobody to help them and that is all you have to say? Not moved at all by his plight? What are you really about here?

Israel has a legitimate claim over Judea and Samaria, not less, and even more than palestinians. All at all however, these are disputed territories and their fate will be defined in negotiations. In the meantime the only thing that legally counts are the binding resolutions of the Security Council. That means Chapter 7. In other words the only thing that legally counts is the American veto. Maybe is a wrong and non moral legality. But it is legal. In other words, Israel is acting legally, until sanctions will be issued against it. The only important thing thus, (and I believe that Israel will survive this crisis with Obama) is for America to stick to its veto policies in the Security Council. The rest is just CJ LEGALISTIC NONSENSE THAT ISRAEL CAN AND SHOULD IGNORE.

radicals and extremists and war-mongers wants to inflame the region to control the middle-east and energy resources in order to rule the world .the plan is to incite usa and israel and create turmoil and anarchy which would lead to war that will engulf the whole region .it,s not in the hands of israel or PA to curb or stop the violence . big ,powerful and wealthy players are playing it clever and mobilising masses to revolt and create instability .caution is needed urgently for people of region if they want peace .

the arabs like to make demos/trouble they think they will get more sympathy...and very sadly they do..like the bbc..etc i.m sick of them,i wonder which country i.m in, when in some parts of london!

brant you are so right!!

respond in the same manner I would think, arrest and treat a criminals immediately.

Oh so Israel only sending love to Africa... Haaretz 06.08.2009 "Israeli arms dealers join Lieberman's entourage to Africa" By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1105679.html

http://ansblog.com/2009/12/saddest-picture-of-the-century-vulture-waiting-child-to-die/ Before you open mouth to spit another venmous lie, pray Israel is here with us standing up. Where Israel is things like this are not possible.

This list is far from complete but easily verifiable. Safed 1830,Hebron 1920 Khaybar Massacre Fez Pogrom of 1033 Granada Pogrom 1066 Fez Pogrom of 1276 Fez Pogrom of 1465 Sana Expulsion In 1679, Tetouan Pogrom 1790 Safed Plunder of 1834 Taza and Settat Pogroms of 1903 Casablanca Pogrom of 1907 Shiraz Pogrom 1910 Fez Pogrom of 1912 The Farhud Baghdad Pogrom Ethiopian Pogroms Zionists? Garbage Georges!

what is illegal about Israel?, it has been approved by majority votes in UN so is legal, It has won all the wars yours brothers in arm have started illegally, and according to the rules of war games the winner takes it all, legally, and it's up to the winner when and if wont's to give it back and it's up to the winner who dictates when and what, not the other way around, doz yours little brain comprehend?

Will man and woman be segregated in Hurva synagogue?? you don't have a clue about the Jewish religion but you go on in Haaretz like like mead woman/man? if you don't know what you write about get of yours horse and go and write yours stupidity somewhere ells.

"Neither Israel nor PA wants violence," but Hamas and cohorts do.

But lets keep the mouth closed and open a Sidur , or dig the ground in Jerusalem and you will find signs of Jewish presents from many centuries , before Islam was ever invented . Tell me , Moshe , do they still carry the red flag with hammer and sickle on it in Haifa on May 1 parade ? Because that would explain a large open mouth .

E: "Notably, what you have highlighted in the dirty subjective bias that holds no place in law." Yet you are guilty of introducing a thoroughly SUBJECTIVE criteria i.e. it makes a difference if the Six Day War was a "defensive" war. That is, honestly, about as subjective as you can get. Both CJ and r cummings are being objective: the prohibition on the acquisition of territory by war is UNCONDITIONAL i.e. it matters not "who started it" or "who finished it" because Annexation By War Is Not Allowed. But you? Gosh! Israel is the good guy, and good guys don't start wars, and so it was perfectly entitled to seize this city following the Six Day War. Only..... Israel started the Six Day War, Eli. I can even give you the exact time: 7.45am on June 5th, which is when the first IDF bombs started exploding on Egyptian runways.

The ancient Sidi Omar mosque, the only mosque in the Jewish quarter, stands next to the newly built Hurva synagogue. But it is allowed by the Israeli authorities to fall into ruin, just like the old mosque in Tiberias and the central mosque in Beersheva, to name but a few. I wonder when these mosques will be rehabilitated and re-dedicated? Since the ethnic cleansing of 1948-49 many mosques all over Israel are off limits to Israeli Palestinians. The re-dedication of the Hurva synagogue is much more than just an innocent religious ceremony. In the context of Palestinians from the Westbank being denied access to the al-Aqsa mosque and the relentless illegal Jewish colonisation the rebuilt Hurva synagogue is seen as just one more symbol of Zionist domination in Palestinian occupied territory.

E: "CJ what is objectivly illegal with israels annexation" The Kellog-Briand Pact said that you can not use war as a means of settling a territorial dispute. The Nuremberg Tribunals said that you can not use war as a means of settling a territorial dispute. The UN Charter says that you can not use war as a means of settling a territorial dispute. Israel seized East Jerusalem during a war, and that means that it can not ANNEX that territory merely because it seized it because (and repeat after me) you can not use war as a means of settling a territorial dispute. In 1967 East Jerusalem became - and still is - "Israeli-occupied territory", and Israel can not UNILATERALLY change that status from "Israeli-occupied territory" to "Israeli territory" because (and repeat after me) you can not use war as a means of settling a territorial dispute. So sorry, but that's the law i.e. UNILATERAL annexation of territory seized by war is illegal.

E: "Again CJ - You Cite Subjective Solutions" Followed by this howler.... E: "UN Charter +GC is against Wars of Aggression NOT DEFENSIVE WARS." !!!! So CJ is "subjective" saying that there is an absolute prohibition on the acquisition of territory by war, while you are being "objective" by claiming that it makes a big difference wether you or the other guy started it!!!! I think you need to look up the word "subjective" in the dictionary, Eli. BTW: Do you know that even Adolph Hitler claimed that Poland actually attacked Germany? Look it up: it's called the "Gleiwitz incident". Such nonsense is exactly why the laws of war don't bother concerning themselves with "who started it", precisely because the sides ALWAYS point the finger of blame at the other guy.

SDHD: "Nothing says that Israel must withdraw from E. Jerusalem." 242: "the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: " 242: "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;" Q: Does Res 242 say that the IDF must withdraw from territory occupied in 1967? A: Yes. Q: Was East Jerusalem occupied by the IDF in 1967? A: Yes. Q: Has the IDF withdrawn from East Jerusalem? A: No. QED, SDHD. In uppsy down town, the sky is in the sea. The sea is where the sky should be. The rain is falling up, instead of falling down. Where?!?!? In uppsy down town. Uppsy down town is located somewhere on Planet Zion, apparently.....

Since vast portions of the "old testament" aka - the Bible have been verified by archeologists we do much of the history minus some miracles are true. We Know the Koran never mentions Jerusalem even once while the Bible mentions it over 300 hundred times. We know that Muhammad never set foot in Jerusalem during his lifetime and the Mosque wasn't built until 70 years after he died. We know that Arab Palestinians never existed in history until 1967 just as no Arab country existed where Israel now resides, and that Arab interest in that area is a recent political event. Alice in Wonderland seems your forte, not histories.

Actually CJ you don't seem to know international law at all. Israel did not illegally do any of things you are claiming. Israel won all of the land in 1967 in a defensive war. That makes it technically and legally Israel's. Israeli law and policy are legal to enforce there. The lands that were illegally conquered in 1948 by Jordan, the aggressor nation should have been forfeit to Israel or a new Arab state. Israel in an attempt to establish peace with her neighbors has actually done what no nation has ever been expected to do. Israel has given land for peace. It worked with Egypt. The hope is it will work with the Palestinians. Jordan which comprises the majority of what was once called Palestine is not involved in giving up land. Ask yourself, "why is that?" So when it comes to "straws" when Israel has had its last one the Arabs may find themselves facing a nation no longer willing to have its hands tied by America and public image.

You are absolutely correct, Jerusalem is Jewish no matter what anybody says, we built Jerusalem it was taken from us during wars we took it back from the Arabs armies in 1967. In Jerusalem there is many synagogues that date back before Islam, so tell me how can they say we are Judasising Jerusalem, Again Jerusalem is Jewish and will remain Jewish for eternity wether the moslems like it or not.

Do you prefer the Jews of the shtels and Holocaust era swiss dino? Well I don't and obviously neither does Marc. The world had better get used to Jews that are strong and proud of their country because this is the way it is going to be. To do otherwise is to see Israel and the Jewish people disappear. Does that appeal to you? I gather it does from the posts you send.

It's occupied. UNSC resolution 242 allowed occupation. Under occupation, it is illegal for the occupier to unilaterally annex or institute it's own civilian law or build civilian infrastructure and/or dwellings for it's own civilian population.

"It is territory where BOTH people lived and was torn by civil war. It`s not simply "someone else`s territory," oaf." Indeed they did. However, it was NOT within the territorial boundaries of the declared Sovereign state of Israel. Israel has never legally annexed ANY territory. It is, therefore, by law, not Israeli territory and as the UN did not implement the neutral entity proposed in res 181, it is still in what remained of the non-state entity of Palestine after Israel was declared. Which is why the UNSC passed UNSC Resolution 252 and UNSC Res 1860

The Palestinians are mad and inciting for violence when jews build a synagogue, what a madness!! this shows that there is no partner for peace from the Arab side.

It is known as an invasion, an act of war. Non-Israelis are entering Israel and shooting the Police and attacking with lethal weapons, any infidel they can reach. Drive them back into their Native Country of Jordan, if Jordan needs to deal with them, they can do what they did last time, Thirty Thousand Executions got their Terrorist Problem Under Control.

Especially since drawing up plans for buildings is no incitement to violence one needs to interpret this message in a misconstrued way forthat to be violence advocating that people storm al aqsa to protect it when it is user no threat is so I assume since there is meaning behind this statement dahlan the radical will be axed from Fatah. We all know dahlan right the one who said that suicide bombers are a justifiable response to settlement expansion or is this empty statements hell well nix lieberman yishai as a bonus

why should the Palestinians have all the fun. There is enough rage amongst ordinary (not crazy religious types sterotyped in media)Israel Jews. The way Judaism and it's history and people are ignored and denied. History twisted and lied about. Arab Mks fermenting violence with every excuse and cries for violence. The Palestinians of east Jerusalem deserve their OWN state yes, and how much Israel would be glad of it. Life their own lives, own obligations, own industry, and stop blaming Israel for every drop of everything. First ones to sign on will be the Arab Mks who shout against Israel and abuse democracy with their words and provocations. Let them be the first to volunteer to be Palestinian MKs. And until the day be found when there is modern Arab Israelis who really want to be Israeli and say so loudly, not just cry for "equality" without speaking and saying it all in arabic clearly. Israeli Jews are getting fed up of taking this.

This could be the same scene five years from now if Israel should give East Jerusalem to the Arab Palestinians. Only next time they will be rioting for all of Israel. No matter how much proof is given that Israel/Jerusalem is the ancient home of the Jews, Muslims will not listen. They will not listen to their own Holy Book the Quran where Allah/Mohammed says Israel is the land of the Jews. If Muslims don't want a third intifada why aren't they stopping today's violence? The Jews have fought for Jerusalem for 4000 years. They will never stop. If the US really listened to Bibi the last several months, they would have known there will be no division of Jerusalem and new housing will be built. It was very awkward for VP Biden to have the housing in East Jerusalem announced while he was there, but the US had plenty of notice of the Jews' position.

Arab mosques? Surely you mean Muslim mosques, as not all Arabs are Muslims, but that's just a minor detail isn't it? Anyway, they were all built on Jewish land in the first place.

--how about rebuilding 120 Arab Mosques destroyed buy the Israel you so love-- Lahbras how about rebuilding the hundreds of synagogues destroyed in Arab countries by the Muyslims you so love when the their Jewish citizens were forced to flee. As usual you only see one side in your hate filled vile posts. You and you never ending anti semetic agenda have become boring. What happens when the Jihadist funds run out and you have to get a job. I understand that things are not that great in Ireland.

Israel was also condemmed for Entebee heroic raid and bombing of Iraq's nuclear facility. Crazy U.N and Arabs said it was against International law to kidnap Eichmann in 60. The Arabs are the Aparthied people. Look at Kurds, Coptics, Black Christians of Sudan and Berbers.

What is happening in Jerusalem is small potatoes compared to what is happening in Washington. Obama has a huge problem that is a direct result of his having zero experience in anything before he became President. A boy-scout approach to economics, reform and foreign policy. If his Health reform passes by a hook or a by crook as it appears imminent he immediately becomes a lame duck President since nothing will ever get done in Washington because the by-partisanship will be finished. If his Health reform does not pass he is totally done as President because his own party base will abandon him. He knows it and desperately needs to claim something that would look like an achievement so his second project is the ME. He will fail here as he has failed in his first project.

Can any sain person answer that. The Arab MKS alliance is to Islamo Nazis. Any fool can see this.

I like the article by Nasser lahham in maan Palestinian news agency "the time is not right for a new intifada". Maybe haaretz can feature it for comments tomorrow.

than these people ever will with violence. He was trusted and believed in for his methods which demonstrated his character. Some of his longest and strongest supporters were Jewish. Is there a Dr. king in Hamas or Fatah?

Obviously the Arabs are upset that the Jews can't be pushed around like they used to. The "Palestinians" ethnically cleansed the Jews from Hebron before 1948, then conquered Gush Etzion by force of arms in 1948 and occupied it until 1967. Egypt is upset because their own ethnic cleansing of Jews is backfiring, and they are forced to turn stolen Jewish property into museums or pay reparations. Libya, Morocco, Yemen, Iraq and other Arab countries all carried out ethnic cleansing of their Jewish populations in the 20th century. And now, when the Jews restore a synagogue that was trashed by the Jordanian army, they start rioting and King Abdullah conveniently forgets it was his troops who committed the war crime. Face it. The Palestinians at this point in time do not want peace.

VERY poignant and VERY well written! "Go hence, to have more talk of these sad things; Some shall be pardon'd, and some punished: For never was a story of more woe Than this of Israel and Palestine." (With apologies to Bill S.)

I am amused at the use of the term "ethnic cleansing" by the pillars of racism-Palestinism, the echo from the proponents of racism-Pan-Arabism and their fellow travelers. It seems that major perpetrators of "ethnic cleansing" are the very people making the accusation. Perhaps those monkeying these charges should investigate the annihilation of Jewish communities in Arab countries--some of which have ancestries that go back before Arab occupation of those lands. These communities existed both inside and outside the Palestine Mandate.

You obviously haven't been following the news. From out there in the EU it was perhaps difficult for you to catch the evictions in Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan over the past year or so, the demolitions, the implanting of settlers into parts of East Jerusalem that had no Jewish residents in them. When you load the camel's back this heavily, it takes one straw to break it. The Hurva was the straw, but the accumulation of anger and provocations weighed several tons (tonnes to you) already.

Khaybar Massacre 628, Fez Pogrom of 1033 Granada Pogrom Fez Pogrom of 1465 Sana Expulsion Tetouan Pogrom 1790 Safed Plunder of 1834 Taza and Settat Pogroms of 1903 Casablanca Pogrom of 1907 Shiraz Pogrom 1910 The Farhud Baghdad Pogrom Ethiopian Pogroms Which Zionists were they fighting???

Never let a fake rage moment pass. The Pal created crisis to save the Al-Aqsa Mosque is a phony. Not only is the synagogue not near the Mosque but the synagogue is in the Jewish section of Jerusalem slated to go to Israel in any peace agreement reached between the two parties. So again we have a Pallywood production intended to stigmatize Israel as doing something against the Pals that is wrong. When in fact this is something that has been on the books for while, and the staging was timed to continue and exacerbate the diplomatic error Israel made when U.S. VP Biden was there last week. Sadly as usual it seems to be effective as a PR move for the Pals.

"Anyone who builds settlements in Jerusalem is digging a grave for peace" Anyone? Then that includes the Palestinians.

Do the Linthwaites who read this website have any problem with Jordan having destroyed the place in 1948? Was that also "legitimate"?

Many American Jews support Israel. Stay strong and don't compromise

Is It?

Jews in the areas they conquered. They destroyed the Hurva Synagogue amongst other Jewish structures. NOTHING to do with the Holocaust and I did not mention it.

territory for her. You won't see her&Co screaming about it like they scream about the "illegal settlers"

will become fact - 1938. What a war monger!

Why we didn't get rid of all of them in 67 when we had the chance to do so. Generations will have to pay for this "biggest mistake in Israeli History".

Israel has a legitimate claim over Judea and Samaria, not less, and even more than palestinians. All at all however, these are disputed territories and their fate will be defined in negotiations. In the meantime the only thing that legally counts are the binding resolutions of the Security Council. That means Chapter 7. Maybe is a wrong and non moral legality. But it is legal. In other words, Israel is acting legally, until sanctions will be issued against it. The only important thing thus, (and I believe that Israel will survive this crisis with Obama) is for America to stick to its veto policies in the Security Council. The rest is just CJ LEGALISTIC NONSENSE THAT ISRAEL CAN AND SHOULD IGNORE.

Although their way is wrong and ineffective The 40 fight for their land, the 9 occupy the land. Food for thought: http://www.btselem.org/english/testimonies/20091009_undercover_policemen_assault_firas_al_atrash_in_east_jerusalem.asp

Haredi folk who are requesting segregated buses?

Your hatred should be against the europeans on sought to destroy the jewish race and NOT against the arabs who you used to live amongst peacefully until you stole and rapped a whole people.

The synagogue is exactly that, a cynical pretext for violence. It was given to Hamas by the belligerent Israeli government. They feed off of one another.

CJ declares Jerusalem is not in Israel, Tony Silver throws caution to the wind and shouts his support for Islamic terrorism. It seems the prospect of Bibi not folding before the Muslim in the White House is making Haaretz talkbackers lose what little composure they still had and turn into the baying mob they actually are.

No reason to stop the occupation without a committment to peace, a recogntion of Israel and a good faith negotiation. In terms of the Synagogue, as others have ably pointed out, it was destroyed illegally as part of a campaign to eliminate Jews and Jewish life from Jerusalem and the West Bank. Having done that, the bastardos now cry alligator tears of "occupation"? The height of hypocrisy and tranparently so. Moreover, there has never been a Palestine governed by any national Palestinian authority. What has been created is an artifice which is simply a political device intended to yet attack Jews and their aspirations to go back to the city which was built by Jews and from which they were kicked out, including by those who now cry "occupation".

Yet again, all involved parties are equally - yes, equally - responsible for wrongful, reprehensible acts. Netanyahu and Lieberman are responsible for disrespecting the US government and provoking the inevitable riots that would result from their remarks on building policy in East Jerusalem and elsewhere. The Palestinians are responsible for squandering an absolutely golden (and by now gone) window of opportunity for grabbing the attention of the world in a plea for support against what they see as gross injustice, instead choosing to riot at the behest of rabid clerics spewing outdated, medievalist rhetoric. The US is responsible for not taking a firmer stance towards both parties earlier in the game, and, at this moment, failing to criticize the Palestinians for their shortsighted and violent actions just as harshly as they have criticized the Israelis. Shame on everyone.

I have read the article you asked...now pls read this one. Not to say mosques were not destroyed but at least in a little more perspective. http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0105d&L=fofognet&P=273

You talk about occupation and there is an Israeli occupation that was caused by what? You talk about occupation of the Palestinian people but what national group are they? Have they ever had a government? Jordan abandoned lands after attempting, along with its Arab allies to wipe out Israel and failing. Going into abandoned lands is not occupation and occupation ceases to be that if lands are abandoned by an existing government. Your right about Israel not being able to live with "peace", that is the peace in which Jews are turfed from their traditional lands and torn asunder of imprisoned for being Jews. That describes the historic experience of Jews in the so-called occupied lands and indeed their experience in so-called Arab civilizations.

I personally am not a supporter of any degree of seperation between men and women. I think its pathetic, at best is blind following of ancient doctrine or immaturity and at worst an excuse for differentiating unjustifiably, yes discrimiantion. Having said that, the seperation of men and women in orthodox Jewish Synagogues and more generally in the lives of the orthodox, doesn't begin to approach the degree of sepeation of men and women and abuse of women in the Muslim world. Get off your high horse "Maureen".

is sure to get a response

Maureen Ann asks whether men and women will be segregated in the Hurva Synagogue? The answer is "yes" - the synagogue will be treated like any other Bet Shemesh bus

and I did not mention it. Jews were ethnically cleansed by the invading Arab armies and their British mercenaries in 1948!! They destroyed the Hurva Synagogue and other Jewish structures.

What's wrong with the IDF? Usually non-Jewish rock throwers are murdered on the spot. Unlike with the Haredi who can throw rocks at cops and soldiers for weeks on end without so much as a slap on the wrist. Israelis overcompensate because in truth they know they are sub par.

Donna, what is your solution? As the current situation is unsustainable - demographics, nukes, global power shifts, etc - also, Jerusalem will always have hundreds of thousands of Palestinians - it has never been a homogenous city - and historically it has always been in conflict internaly, against the romans, the christians, etc.

You ask "Why would I want a neighbor who throws rocks at me, etc. The Palestinian asks: Why would I want a neighbor who steals my land, burns my crops, desecrates my mosque, empties their septic tanks into my fileds, beats my father while he tends goats....etc., etc.. Try to see clear through the cycle of violence. I used to be like you too. Now I've removed the blinkers.

All the occupiers will be forced out by force. Israel, you'll NEVER lay claim to AL QUDS ever. You will be forced into submission sooner than you think.The writing is on the wall (YOUR APARTHEID WALL) that will come tumbling down as you watch.

Thank you for the site. I have read the article and now will read further.

I think not. How utterly arrogant and disgusting of you to think that Arab should come to terms to being treated like dogs. If you're a Jew, you're a bad one. In any event, you're a rotten individual.

Last time I checked, Christians are treated equal to the muslims by the Israeli government and Israeli people. Both Muslim and Christian homes and land have been confiscated

Pogroms cannot be tolerated. That is why an unabiased peace keeping force is needed in the West Bank- to prevent marauding settler thugs from carrying out their frequent (and recorded) pogroms against innocent Palestinian civilians.

You can rest assured, no one wants you as a neighbor when you are trying to build in THEIR yard. Try to build on my land and fence me out, and see the reaction you get. Know though that I won't be using rocks.

ONe could just as easily say Jews have been stealing and lying since time immemorial. Nothing changes. BTW, since when did several dozen teenagers represent a race? You're a fool.

There is no 'all' or 'some' in the document, so those terms are wholly irrelevent. Documents are only judged by what is actually in them. 'Occupied' exists in the document, and so it definatively descriptive. If land is occupied by Israel as a result of the 67 conflict, that is the land in question. Anything else is just so much twaddle and wishful thinking.

Jerusalem was founded by the Canaanites at least 800 years before any Jews set foot on it. And the same goes with Meggido and other "holy" sites Jews claim for themselves. Israelis need to stop lying to themselves if there's ever going to be peace in Palestine.

You are more stupid than I thought. I did not cite biblical history. I am not talking about rewriting history. I just stated two incidents that are recorded in modern times. Your cult destroyed the same synagogue twice. Once during the Ottoman Empire and again in 1948. I did not rewrite history. Your cult repeated it's sordid history. I don't give a hoot as to who owned the land eons ago. The fact is that we (the Jews) are here now and if you can't accept it, tough. We will be here for a long time and as long as we are here we will do as we see fit. Why don't you leave Montrael and come over here and put your mouth to work.

Is it?

And their British mercenaries under Sir John Glubb After the Jews were expelled they trashed the Synagogue not to mention the Mt Olives cemetry

'The Hurva synagogue was destroyed by the Jordanian government in 1948. It is being rebuilt...it is not a new edifice being established from whence it was never in existence. Once again this violence shows that the Palestinians being lead through the nose by Islam`s refusal to accept any other religion.' How many of the mosques and churches destroyed in 1948 has Israel permitted to be rebuilt?

If you are going to demonize jews for the possible segragation of congregants during prayer, you should know that while othodox jews do pray seperately according to gender, all mosques do the same. The palestinians are definitely not championing the cause of "womens' equality" (which, by the way, has nothing to do with gender segregation during jewish prayers) But regardless, your attempt is pathetic. Shame on you!

why would one want as a neighbour a country like israel which sends its troops to demolish his house or evict the family that lives there in order to give it to the illegal israeli settlers. why would one want as neighbour israel that keeps 2milion people blockaded in an open prison and in the west bank where people live in an apartheid system and the soldiers always control all your movements. it's time to stop this israeli madness.

this land was jewish before the christians and the muslims. if christians and muslims demand respect for their religious monument, they should respect the jewish as well. jerusalem was and it has always been the jewish capital . we grew up hoping that one day our holy land the land of our fathers will welcome us.

Taht's easy...Israel because they don't murder their own people

These riots are like a crystal ball as to what a divided Jerusalem would be like EVRY day. Gaza is our example for what a future Palestinan state would be like. Lets take an lesson.

You betcha'! Indeed we thank him too...

"Are the 9 more important than the 40?" Absolutely. The 40 initiated the violence.

You can claim that all anti-Zionists are liars. Nothing is new in your rhetoric there. I'm just surprised you did not add that we were Nazis too. However, I do not doubt that you think your version of History is true. You know, the History that God gave the land to the Jews, the eternal capital of the Jews, that Moses opened up the seas, etc. etc? The only problem is that the Bible is old Novel. It is like believing in Alice in Wonderland. How can you claim we are rewriting History when, in fact, you have problems knowing it yourself?

Are the 9 more important than the 40?

to no. 77; a criminal, illegal, (zionist) occupation, oppression and exploitation also cannot be tollerated, nowhere in the whole wide world. the victim/the one who is hurt has a right to self-defence. to mention the victim anti-semite or self-hating is very hypocrite and a lie and a silencer.

Oh dear.... such resentment about the past, inspiring more resentment today, so yes... nice way for the collective midset to go on resented forever !!!! Resntment yesterday,m resentment today, resentment forever.... oh dear what an "enlightened" mindset .... both collective and individual and on both sides... this trol spills resentment for millenia .

Why would I want as a neighbor, or make peace with someone who throws rocks at me and wants me dead??????? Delinquents and hooligans. If this were to happen in an Arab country, I guarantee you the rioters would all be mowed down.

In the Bible that I read, the Philistines were still around up the time David took over and became king. They took Samson hostage after he was brought in my Delilah, and . . . he tore their house down, as it were. Later, Saul and Jonathan were killed on Mount Gilboa by them. I leave the information regarding the fate of the Philistines after David became king to someone else, but likely David either put them in their place, or they left of their own accord.

As usual, the Jew haters are rewriting history. When they don't like the truth they make up lies and all their moronic friends believe them. The TRUTH is: The synagogue was in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City. It was blown up by Jordan in 1948 only because it was a synagogue. Do you understand what blown up means? Nice people don't blow up synoguges. It was also destroyed by the Ottomans centuries ago. Can you add? It was destroyed TWICE by muslims. So bring on your day of rage you cultists.

It's nice to hear that armed Israelis are accepting live prisoners again. The constant stream of photographs (and video...) of Israeli soldiers, police and civilians beating up, spitting on, abusing (and killing) Palestinian children and women was starting to annoy some American Jews. Annoyed American Jews make cranky business partners, so its nice to see that this mess seems to be sorting itself out. Has Jordan or Egypt agreed to take the Palestinians yet?

... are implicit allies. Only allies help each other to this extent!

I don,t think that rebuilding the sinagogue is the problem here, and many palestinians made that clear. As a matter of fact there have been built over 50 sinagogues in the same area and around the Temple Mount in the last 43 years and nobody made a big deal about that. It is much beyond this sinagogue, it is the plan to build thousands of houses on palestinian lands , it is about demolishing palestinian homes and it is about making the lives of the palestinians as miserable as it could be so that they leave jerusalem and present it on a silver plate so that jews can fullfil their ambitions of religious cleansing against muslems and christians.

Israel should destroy one mosque for every Israeli hurt, and if there is an intifada, they should destroy the Dome of the Rock. After all, the Taliban destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan and no one seemed to care. Its time Israel stopped treating the Palestinians with kid gloves.

UN 242 also says that Israel is to withdraw from conquered territories after its security is guaranteed by a comprehensive peace agreement. You should read the entire ersolution instead of choosing the bits that suit you.

Gee whiz Moshela, where did you develop your orientation on the middle east? You can't hide behind you name and expect us to think you are Jewish. Try again and use your real name. If for some estranged reason, you were born a Jew, perhaps some tragic event happened in your past that has turned you into 1 big fan of arab Jew-haters. Your take on history is pathetically poor and staid replies read from a primer on palistinian sympathizers. STOP THE CHARADES!

" The UN does. 242 says Israel must withdraw from territory occupied in 1967. E J`sem was occupied in 1967. So Israel must get out, that`s the international decision." We all know that 242 does no such thing. It does not call for a full withdrawal. Israel withdrew from territories occupied already, liar.

" Because the UN has not insisted that Jerusalem retain its proposed international status, since Israel seized W J`sem. Therefore the status quo changed to Israel = West, Jordan = East. UNSCR 242 recognises that and ties it up legally: it doesn`t say anything about Israel vacating W J`sem - but it does stipulate that it must withdraw from territories occupied in 1967." Jordan isn't interested in the territories any longer. Nothing says that Israel must withdraw from E. Jerusalem.

You are using the Tanach as a text but have quoted it incorrectly the land was called CANNAAN there wer 7 tribes but they were genocided by the Israelites One of those tribes was the phillistines from whomthe word Palestinian is derived from these were hellinists not Arabs they lived where gaZa is now

" Because the UN has not insisted that Jerusalem retain its proposed international status, since Israel seized W J`sem. Therefore the status quo changed to Israel = West, Jordan = East. UNSCR 242 recognises that and ties it up legally: it doesn`t say anything about Israel vacating W J`sem - but it does stipulate that it must withdraw from territories occupied in 1967."

" Indeed. Quite illegal. So too is illegal acquisition of territory, illegal settlement, STILL going on." It is territory where BOTH people lived and was torn by civil war. It's not simply "someone else's territory," oaf.

"Isn`t it interesting how the entire world is sitting quiet including UN? Israelis are called criminals when they are defending themselves, but hamas thugs are always free to kill and destroy and walk away. How long are you politicians going to tolerate this?" I dont get it. Where do you get that they get away with anything? They have been strangulated since they were elected. Theyve been arrested, kidnapped, attacked, had their taxes withheld so they couldnt pay the adminstration, on behalf of Israel their social services fundraising was cut off. What punishment has Israeli gotten for their wrongdoings? NOTHING. How much more do the Palestinians need to be punished? Its an equal thing. The Israelis are just as guilty. Its about time they get the same treatment. You must be blind or stupid if you arent aware of what has happened.

That's an understatement. Meron Benveniste, former deputy mayor of Jerusalem writes about Israeli archival evidence as to the destruction of Mosques by Israeli military in the post '48 period. "According to a book by Dr. Meron Benvenisti, of the 160 mosques in the Palestinian villages incorporated into Israel under the armistice agreements, fewer than 40 are still standing." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878851.html 160 minus 40 gets you 120. However Benny Morris estimates that nearly 400 villages were destroyed circa 1948 and of those approx' half had mosques so giving a larger figure than 120.

"there have been years of dispossession, illegal annexation, illegal settlements, occupation" Under Jordan. That's why the synagogue was destroyed in the first place. Now that the Jews have it back, they are not dispossessed, nor is the synagogue illegally settled or illegally occupied. And before all the claptrap you're spewing, the Jews were persecuted for decades. The issue is the Arab intolerance of Jews, and you know it, you shrill little freak.

A thing that made them rage with madness ! A lesson for all those who are talking of a 2-state solution ! The palestinians are certified mad ! And that is now official !

In 1948, Jordan destroyed over 50 synagogues in the old city, of which the Hurva was but one. Why were there so many synagogues? Because there were more Jews in Jerusalem even in 1900 (before the large wave of immigration) than any other ethnic group. The Jews were the plurality in Jerusalem, among Muslims, Christians and Jews, but the Arabs then "ethnically cleansed" the Old City when they captured it in 1948, and destroyed all the synagogues. Even today they vandalize the excavations at the Temple Mount and throw priceless Jewish antiquities in the garbage, hoping to destroy evidence of the longstanding Jewish presence in Jerusalem.

Posted: "Jerusalem is NOT in Israel..... CJ made this statement , which clearly disqualifies him to open his mouth . SHHHHHHHH . Aba Eban once said about another CJ "Every time he opens his mouth he deducts from the sum of the world`s knowledge " . In a way CJ is absolutly right. Jerusalem is in existance waaaaaay before Israel wass created. As a matter of fact, Jerusalem was created in a land called Palestine. Even according to the Bible the city was home to the Jebusites a Canaanite tribe who inhabited and built Jerusalem prior to its conquest by King David;. It was a city where many many different people from different religions and races lived and therefore Jerusalem is not an Israeli city and does not belong soley to Israel. It is a city that belongs to all those who lived there for centuries. Since these are the true facts, recognized even by the Jewish bible, it seems that yours and Aba Eban statements disqualifies both of you to open your mouths.

You should give your advice on palestinian papers.

Community will. Yeah. Last time the jews didn't have a country and we all know that they had fully listen to the will of the international community they will be all dead.

this would stop the riots...(?)

Nothing wrong with rebuilding the Hurva - it's a historic building. If not for all the other depradations committed against the Palestininas, it would not have ruffled any feathers.But this is the cumulative effect of everything else going on. And, BTW, the Palestinians could demand the rebulding of THEIR mosques destroyed by Isrelis,together with some 400+ villages. dAVID

So blowing up the Hurva in 1948 did not pose any risk to the mosques, but rebuilding it does. Typical arab logic.

That's an understatement. Meron Benveniste, former deputy mayor of Jerusalem writes about Israeli archival evidence as to the destruction of Mosques by Israeli military in the post '48 period. "According to a book by Dr. Meron Benvenisti, of the 160 mosques in the Palestinian villages incorporated into Israel under the armistice agreements, fewer than 40 are still standing." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878851.html 160 minus 40 gets you 120. However Benny Morris estimates that nearly 400 villages were destroyed circa 1948 and of those approx' half had mosques so giving a larger figure than 120.

It is not the new what makes me hallucinate...but the advertisement by it... the ultimate mission to israel... hamas terrorist trials, killing target units... for god sake, what the fuck is this! And then you blame Palestinians for talking about intifada!!! Who is SELLING the war culture here??? Unbelievable...really unbelievable...

I Never knew the weapons were smuggled. I'd have thought them sold, probably accompanied by a Packing Slip, CCD, Export Documents, Control Export Documentation, Control Import Documents, Import Declaration Form and possibly others as I am not as well versed in USA Israel shipments as I am in Canada Israel shipping. Notably, Where is the Smuggling Happening?

How about we together beat Communism again? The romantic plea remind "people" of good old times. Hence, John Allen Mohammad devoted his life for his love ones. Yes, it is good old time, for someone only, not for all. Illusion makes people forfeit good value. Wise people never ask why?

The arms in hands of pals just make the things worse for you cause, for them, peace and talks are the only way to solve this.

The only blood to be spilled this time is for the gangs that start the mess.

Glad to see that after several years everything is back to normal.

Part 3 makes sense but its foundations are in points 1 and 2 which you haven't posted, why?, there is nothing hateful, illegal, illogical, if my assertions are incorrect they should be posted nonetheless and let others refute them, why would you hold them back? I'd truly love to know alwayslearning@live.ca

... THe point i have written 4 times over now regarding CJ's response. Haaretz has not published any of them and I'd love to know why. Notably, what you have highlighted in the dirty subjective bias that holds no place in law. You have highlighted that there can exist a series of OBJECTIVE protocols for an action, for example, annexation, but you have shown that for some reason, people should listen to the SUBJECTIVE parameters that circumvent and run incongruent to the objective ones. Law, must be objective, it must hold the same decision when presented with the same case facts. It must not be subjective stating that well this might be legally right, but not in our Political interests and as such we will exert clout. That only highlights the short "cummings" of INTL Law

Jerusalem is NOT in Israel..... CJ made this statement , which clearly disqualifies him to open his mouth . SHHHHHHHH . Aba Eban once said about another CJ "Every time he opens his mouth he deducts from the sum of the world's knowledge " . I could not have said it better .

Thanks Israel, The Third Intifada is On Its Way! Israel learned well how to handle savages , and if they start it will not be a cakewalk anymore for them . times are changed when a Jew was at a mercy of the worlds good will .

Israel and stupid America are baboon ? run King Kong, rampaging through the glob LASHING OUT at anything remotely Islamic. The fact is apartheid israel is fermenting Arab EXTREMISM and sadly STUPID America and its moral values have been destroyed by its alliance with its ?Fifth Column? (AIPAC+Zionist Congressmen). Link: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/six-jewish-companies-own-96-of-the-worlds-media/

What about SMUGGLING WEAPONS from AMERICA TO ISRAEL ? This is A DOUBLE STANDARDS we are living in. IF APARTHEID ISRAEL has the right to equip and defend itself with THE LATEST WEAPON TECHNOLOGY INCLUDING PROHIBITED CHIMICHAL WEAPON FOR MASS DESTRUCTION AS WHITE PHOSPHORUS . Why can?t the Palestinian have weapons to defend their people? It is really A HUGE DOUBLE STANDARDS

Palestinians have as much right to weapons as Israelis do. It takes some special sort of chutzpah to use tanks and Apache helicopters and F-15 fighter planes, not to mention illegal phosphorous bombs, against unarmed civilian women and children in Gaza, and then demand the other side can?t defend themselves. I think every country in the world should have the same rights as Israel and the US to have whatever weapons they want.

Land under the control of Arabic municipalities has been cut by half since the beginning of the state of Israel, despite the fact that their population has grown by a factor of 7. 2. Israeli Arabs constitute 20% of the population yet they only live on 3.5% percent of the land. 3. Urban plans for Arabic towns take on average twice as long to be authorized compared to Urban plans for Jewish towns. 4. Land around Arabic villages in the Galilee have been confiscated by the government to build Jewish only settlements, along with industrial and other complexes to support them, leaving Arabic towns with no room to expand to, turning them to extremely crowded places. Yet no body talks about "Natural Growth" for Arabic Towns

Now, if Annexation is allowed in DEFENSIVE WARS AND If the breaking of an armstice resumes a war AND If Syria and Egpyt broke the armstice via several actions AND If Jordan joined the war on its own accord AND If Israel when faced with aggressors, conquered Jerusalem, Annexed it and offered citzenship to the residents there. THEN, There should be formal recognition, once we take case facts and apply a subjective ruling to them we destroy the objective standing of law, the impartiality of law, the blindness of justice etc... A 10 year old with limited VB knowledge could write that line of code. What you have highlighted are the Subjective UN security council rulings that state NO, but do not refute the objective claims, they highlight the issue I am asserting. They highlight the unholy fusion of subjectivity to law, of Political Interests into INTL Law, and that makes a Farce out of law.

The annexation of East Jerusalem was declared ILLEGAL by UNSC Resolution 252 (1968)of 21 May 1968 UNSC Resolution 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969 UNSC Resolution 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, UNSC Resolution 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, UNSC Resolution 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, UNSC Resolution 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980 And yet, Israel defies the International Community.

I may be Muslim and supportive of Palestinians, but protesting because a synagogue - that has been on this site for at least 300 years, as I undrstand - is being restored is just plain wrong. It is not on the doorstep of the mosque and it doesn't disrupt Muslims from praying. Why then is this such a big deal? I can't help it but think that Hamas is just using this as a pretex to grab power in WB. There are so many other grievences that could spark another intifada. Why create one where there was none before? This kind of behaviour by the Palestinian leadership(Hamas) only undermines the struggle for the end of occupation. Building new homes for settlers in East Jerusalem, and demolishing Palestinian homes is wrong, so it should be protested. Protesting the dedication of a synagogue is just plain power play by Hamas.

our rights and control.

... For Example, Let us examine the Definition as per Encyclopaedia Britannica: Conquest is associated with the traditional principle that sovereign states may resort to war at their discretion and that territorial and other gains achieved by military victory will be recognized as legally valid. The doctrine of conquest and its derivative rules were challenged in the 20thcen. by the development of the principle that aggressive war is contrary to IL, a view that is expressed in the covenant of the League of Nations, the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928, the charters and judgments of the international military tribunals created at the end of World War II ?the Charter of the United Nations...The Draft Declaration on Rights and Duties of States, formulated in 1949 by the International Law Commission of the UN, contained (in Article XI) the rule that states are obligated not to recognize territorial acquisitions achieved by aggressive war." DO YOU NOTE THE WORD AGGRESSIVE?

....it's from the "Infidels" album from the early 80's. Definitely not his best album (not only because of this song), most critics think, that his 80's spiritual trip into Zionism was not the most creative time of his career. I actually tend to agree with them... P.S. By then, I might even have had some sympathy for the point he was making on "Neighbourhood bully", but here too, the times (and Israels actions since then) have changed me a lot....

Postesd: "yes Maureen Ann, women and men do not pray together. women prefer it that way, bacause they don`t want men to witness their religeous fervor and feelings; so women have a separate section in the Hurva Synagogue.women also cover their hair during prayers" Really? You are completely wrong. The reason for women not being allowed to pray with the men is because women are looked upon as servants in the Jewish religion. In some Jewish sects, women are not allowed to speak unless they get permission from their husbands to speak and this I witnessed myself. This can be witnessed at a certain part of the circumcision prayer, the Rabbi looks towards G-d and says "Thank you for not making him a girl"? There is no such thing as equality for men and women in the Jewish religion.

Thank you for your concern regarding the Canadian Education System, I never went to public school, but our Jewish Private Schools, Universities and Colleges are Damn Good. Annexation is a UNILATERAL ACT, it ussually happens as result of War. That is part of the definition of the Word. If it was MULTI-LATERAL, or BI-LATERAL it would be Cession (SOLD) or Amalgamation (Asked to Merge) and obey a different series of Protocols. Annexation is legal on land that has sovereignty won in a defensive war. If not, show me the Money, or is this case WORDS. What you have shown, are the SUBJECTIVE protocols that exist around an OBJECTIVE law. Notably, if condition X, and Y, sovereign territory won in a DEFENSIVE WAR (X) and equal rights are exteneded to the Annexed (Y). Then all that is required is INTL Recognition. TBC...

who live in the capital of Jewish State. Jerusalem, they(pals) want it or do not want it, will be populated by Jews bringing peace and quiet and injecting real LIFE into cultural growth of Jewish Nation. As it was said many times before, arabs living in Israel have many, many places to go where the same language and the same culture is the way of live. There is absolutely no reason for palestinians to butt in to small as it is Israel.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.ISRAEL IS TREATING THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH KID'S GLOVES WORRYED ABOUT A "WORLD OPINION",THAT WAS NEVER IMPARTIAL.ALWAYS FAVORED THE ARAB OIL...THE WHOLE IDEA OF ANY 'PAL' ENTITY WEST OF THE JORDAN,SPELLS DOOM FOR ISRAEL.THE ARABS HAVE ENOUGH EMPTY LAND IN JORDAN,ON TERRITORIES ROBBED FROM THE JEWISH PEOPLE,BY THE BRITS,TO ESTABLISH 10 'PALESTINES" IF THEY WANT...BUT LEAVE THE JEWS ALONE IN THEIR NARROW SPLINTER OF LAND,BETWEEN THE RIVER AND THE MEDITERRANEAN

Posted: "Watch Iran closely,they are behind the scene as always have been." Really? The same was said about the Syrians and the Hissbalah in Lebanon. Now that the USA has focused on Iran, you blame Iran. Who will be next to blame? All I can see is Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinians. I do not see Iranian soldiers shooting at Palestinians or at the Israelis.

After what all Israel has done, what do you expect!

Posted: "and then it will be quiet. The areas that have weekly disturbances should be declared military zone for 3-6 months and disturbances will drift away. And keep populating E.Jerusalem with Jewish and Christian families...that will bring security and safety to the Capital of Israel." Wishfull distorted thinking. The "weekly disturbances" as you call this has been going on for over 60 years, since Israel stole and occupied Palestinian lands. The "weekly disturbances" as you call this, get worse and worse for both sides every time and they will get to a point where it will be so bad that it may cause a worse situation that Israel will never be able to get out of and could mean the end of Israel as we know it. Israel's occupation and land thefts will never result in security and safty. Ending the occupation and land thefts and returning the lands back to the Palestinians, their rightful owners, will result in peace, safty and security, for all.

'...the international community needs to stop coddling such a bunch of ingrates, whiners, and rebels. The sooner the world wakes up and whips these dogs into shape, the better.' The Israeli Jews may have behaved very badly and the right is certainly well-known for its constant whining, but we have to believe that the silent majority will kick Bibi's coalition out or bring Livni in to solve the nightmare. Obama, the EU and so on certainly have a duty to knock some sense into Netanyahu and Barak, it;s true.

If they would spend as much time making peace as they did making violence they might enter the 20th century instead of staying in the 7th. Too bad the 9/11 murderers did not hit the Mount instead of office buildings.

Posted: "Why are the Palestinians mad about this? It`s a synagogue in a Jewish part of the old city. What`s wrong with that? There must be a reason cause synagogues go up everyday, but this causes outrage?" It has nothing to do with a synagogue in a Jewish part of the old city.It has to do with the fact that the land in question is an occupied land that Israel stole from the Palestinians. It has to do with the fact that every time Israel builds new settlements on these occupied lands it stole from the Palestinians, in a way Israel declares these lands as its own and this is not right. These are not Israeli lands, these are Palestinian lands. Now do you get it ??

I (or you on this occasion) are 'a joke', neither of us decide these things. The UN does. 242 says Israel must withdraw from territory occupied in 1967. E J'sem was occupied in 1967. So Israel must get out, that's the international decision. When you talk about Jordan occupying the East, did you forget that Israel occupied the West? 242 recognises that changed status quo, by not insisting that Israel vacate the West, but it's as much as Israel is going to get. Time to live with it and move on. Israel has already got 70%+ of Jerusalem. And as we say in business, 70% of something is a hell of a lot better than 100% of nothing, which is what is going to happen if Israel intransigence leads to a one-state solution.

Typical of israelis, just as they steal around the world. They are settling and stealing the palestinians land, systematically and shrewdly. Thats their nature. They cant change & you cant change it for them.

Funny you quote Bob Dylan,here is one you should listen to by Bob Dylan "Nieghborhood Bully" might shed some light for you.

CJ,We have a great education system here, so great, that we learn how to debate and draw our opponents in, but thanks for your concern. To start, you agree, Arabs started 67 through breaking of an Armstice and more importantly, the Jordanian attack. Annexation, happens often via war, it is UNILATERAL, if it was Bilateral or Multilateral, it would be called, CESSATION OR AMALGAMATION. It is in the definition of the word. UN Charter +GC is against Wars of Aggression NOT DEFENSIVE WARS. Law does not state no Annex, but that you can't deprive rights, there is a difference, when annex must give rights to annexed, step 2 (step 1 is sovereignty) What you have stated, with UN Security Council Rulings is subjective rulings added to Objective parameters. You have highlighted my point, notably that in INTL Law there exist subjective parameters that give claim to the objective ones. THIS IS HIGHLY DANGEROUS, and it challenges the objectivity of the law, it allows politics into Law.

Israel has a legitimate claim over Judea and Samaria, not less, and even more than palestinians. All at all however, these are disputed territories and their fate will be defined in negotiations. In the meantime the only thing that legally counts are the binding resolutions of the Security Council. That means Chapter 7. In other words the only thing that legally counts is the American veto. Maybe is a wrong and non moral legality. But it is legal. In other words, Israel is acting legally, until sanctions will be issued against it. The only important thing thus, (and I believe that Israel will survive this crisis with Obama) is for America to stick to its veto policies in the Security Council. The rest is just CJ LEGALISTIC NONSENSE THAT ISRAEL CAN AND SHOULD IGNORE

half Pal?', asks Joe from Philly. Because the UN has not insisted that Jerusalem retain its proposed international status, since Israel seized W J'sem. Therefore the status quo changed to Israel = West, Jordan = East. UNSCR 242 recognises that and ties it up legally: it doesn't say anything about Israel vacating W J'sem - but it does stipulate that it must withdraw from territories occupied in 1967. Israel occupied the Arab municipality of E J'sem in 1967 and, under 242, must vacate it and hand it back to the Arabs. That is how.

Watch Iran closely,they are behind the scene as always have been.

The general problem with people that write CRAP and LIES on this website is that there are far too many that don't have the brains to determine whats real from lies. I find it interesting that someone from Ireland where they butchered each other over whose version of Jesus to believe is giving advice about Israel. There must be some way to qualify who gets to post on this website. I think the editors need to filter out the rubbish and hatred and not post it at all. That way these types of people don't get a podium for their nonsense and will just do what they do best....DRINK BEER IN THEIR PUB!!!

--let him retire before he does any more damage.

This picture is a flagerent example of police brutality, routinely conducted against palestinians.

Rioting Palestinian thugs know "blame-Israel-first" Obama is prepared to show his true colors and seek any pretext to shove Israel under the bus and go for broke in securing Islamic and third-world support. Well, that is a bus Israel need not fear. Israel should get off the bus and display no mercy to Palestinian rioters.

I am just at the end of James Michener's novel The Source. It is a fictional novel but based on the historical facts and findings of archeological digs in and around Jerusalem. The story is about the birth of Judaism in ancient Israel followed by Christianity and Islam. The writer uses details from findings of the "Tell" archeological digs indicating a timeline of centuries before and after the birth of Yeshua/Jesus.

idf troops and the israeli government should be stopped from pursuing the dirty job of demolishing palestinian houses, or evicting palestinian families from theif homes in their intent of judeazing east jerusalem or the west bank through illegal settlements. israel can't go on stealing. they can't go on oppressing.

They don't accept because they truly believe that they upsurp all religions beforehand. That is the problem facing the world but the so called international community doesn't get it.

I thought I was going to read a story about next months north London derby. Come on you spurs!!

I'm a peaceful guy and I love to get along with people of all races and cultures. But I'm finally fed up with all the B.S. It's time for Jews to have their own Day of Rage. Don't you think that there is enough material to enrage all Jews worldwide? When we see the nasty, narrow-minded, barking and braying of Muslims with their Western fellow running dogs protest against the rebuilding of an ancient Jewish mosque in Jerusalem, of all places, destroyed by the Muslim hordes, and all the support they are getting from the likes of CJ, cummings, and even Obama, I say it's time to RAGE and show the world what a real Jewish Rage looks like!

"... "Jewish heritage" in Europe basically involves goyim reminiscing about bygone eras when Jews were still around. Jewish heritage in the US involves American Jews reminiscing to the days when we hadn`t yet arrived in America." Has what to do with the Palestinians today? "Jewish heritage in the Muslim world is simply flat-out illegal." Iran's Jews refused to leave recently. "And not Jewish heritage cannot be maintained in Israel either?" Jerusalem was ILLEGALLY annexed. It AIN'T in Israel.

The way arabs want to do things. Israel should close all mosques in the land, because they may endanger a synagogue in a radious of 10 km.It is evident that arabs are strugling to find a reason for a new intifada. great. they to do it and to starve, still their "leaders" will find the way of traveling to Europe to get drunk and to visit all the prostitutes, or may be they can go to Dubai, it is the same thing, anything goes there.

yes Maureen Ann, women and men do not pray together. women prefer it that way, bacause they don't want men to witness their religeous fervor and feelings; so women have a separate section in the Hurva Synagogue.women also cover their hair during prayers

....they are a-changing!:)

Where did you come up with the fact that Israelis destroyed 120 mosques ? The trouble with the internet is that people write whatever they want and others take it to be a truthful fact. Please show me the proof of your statement.

"So where, precisely, is it legal for Jews to maintain their heritage?" According to the UN Charter, International law, Conventions.. everywhere. Did I say it was illegal? "Yeah, that`s not antisemitic" Oh, save it for Hasbara classes...By the same UN Charter, Conventions and Laws that afford all people religious freedom, Jerusalem is NOT in Israel.

And we are back with the Holocaust... as if Arabs ethnically cleansed Jerusalem when Islam conquered the place back 630 AD. Ethnically cleansed as they were, Jews from Europe (back then) were moving once again towards the ME because Muslims were way more tolerant than Europeans. The first Omeyad Caliph had a Jewish Vizir, now that is a great sign of Ethnic cleansing... Holocaust is not the unique history the Jews lived before the takeover of Palestine PETER SM... I know you would like it to be that way (that would give you credibility for any brutal measures Israel takes against the Arabs), but History is not made of Mythology... it is made of facts. Your facts are nothing more than rhetorical speeches that are meant to avoid any questionning regarding Israel's Apartheid policies...

John, you're at the beginning of understanding that the Arab Palestinians don't just want an end to "illegal settlements" as you call them. They want an end to the Jewish presence in the Middle East. I hope your understanding continues to develop. "This isn`t a settlement (which I`m against) it isn`t "Jew only housing which I am also against. It isn`t a new "fact on the ground It is simply a place for people of the Jewish faith to honor God. Is that a bad thing?"

You see, no double standards, whatsoever...:)

by not buy.... learn to spell. why would we do that? what mosques are you talking about? how about you irish rebuild all the building, pay england for all the damage you did when you were setting off bombs. irish and palestinians have a lot in common,,, all terrorists in training

My, aren't we just ever so melodromatic? A day of rage...as if Hamas needs a reason. Their entire charter is based on violence and rage, so this would be different than, what? Nothing. Same old same old. And over such trivial junk, just like always. Hamas needs to get their collective butts whooped...big time. And the international community needs to stop coddling such a bunch of ingrates, whiners, and rebels. The sooner the world wakes up and whips these dogs into shape, the better.

what is objectivly illegal with israels annexation ..of Jerusalem " You don't know? Amazing!! No education where you live? UNSC Resolutions 252 267 271 298 465 476 "It was won in a defensive war" It is inadmissible to acquire territory by war (UNSC Res 242) "Egypt and syria broke a cease fire .." UNSC res?? "and Jordan attacked without being attacked " UNSC res??

....with the exception of the Evangelical lunatics and the right-wingnuts among the Republicans in your new "adopted country". Look, I understand very well, that you and your fellow right-wing posters here (Lynn, Gina etc.) aren't feeling very happy those days, but don't worry, you will find a way to get over the fact, that the good old times of "blanket check" from Washington D.C. seem to be over, I have no doubt about that.... With regard to "days of rage": I agree, that protest should always be non- violent, but if peaceful demonstrations are regularly getting suppressed, or at times even greeted with tear gas or rubber bullets, it is understandable, that not all demonstra- tors will respond with flowers. Just ask the opposition in Teheran on that subject....

..too many years of this nonsense with out results... get to "final status" talks as soon as possible..

"Will men and women be segregated in the Hurva synagogue?" Of course but they will all sing, "Hurva Nageelah",in Unison.

destroyed buy the Israel you so love. Israel has worked for years to create days of rage---work on the cause--not the effect. Bleeding Zionist apologist.

"..the Synagogue that has been rebuilt was destroyed by the Arabs last time they had responsibility for the Old City of Jerusalem." Indeed. Quite illegal. So too is illegal acquisition of territory, illegal settlement, STILL going on. " By rebuilding it we have enraged them." You really think that in 62 years of being illegally usurped, they weren't already enraged? " And according to you *we* are the ones who are at odds with the conventions of international law?!" Indeed. You're STILL breaking it. "Anyone who shares any sort of vision for peace must recognise that their rage is misplaced .." For what Israel has done in the past 62 years their rage should be place with the Inuit perhaps? "..and that all religions have the right to maintain their Holy Places in Jerusalem" Indeed. BTW Jerusalem ISN'T in Sovereign Israeli territory

It looks like the guys are in dress rehearsal for the main event - not really surprising when Israel continues with its racist policy of occupation, colonization and ethnic cleansing in E.Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Everyone can co-exist, live together, respecting differences. And this is the view that Brazil is trying to present to the Middle East through the visit of President Lula.Would not it be wonderful if everyone in the Middle East to unite with the aim of a society seams tightly integrated and developed, and that human dignity was the basic premise of this new society? Think about it!

The Hurva synagogue has nothing to do with the riots, you must be naif to believe such a nonsense.. What about the building of new 1600 flats in East Jerusalem for Ultra Ortodox Brooklin born "Jews"? Israel seems now to be more isolated as long as you can steand it do not ask for European support any longer

The Hurva synagogue was destroyed by the Jordanian government in 1948. It is being rebuilt...it is not a new edifice being established from whence it was never in existence. Once again this violence shows that the Palestinians being lead through the nose by Islam's refusal to accept any other religion.

No Mosques in Switzerland, no Synagogues in Israel. You have to appreciate the logic used to come up with such delusions.

were responsible for the san remo convention and the 1924 mandate !!

may break my bones,but tanks and f-16s really hurt me.lebensraum.whats mine is mine but whats yours is mine too.the roman empire wants its province of judea back.the pharoahs are next in line.and behind them the caananites.oh,i just heard the hittites and assyrians put in a claim.but they've rejected yahweh as the arbitrator and selected baal.the damn hellenes just put in a claim and want zeus.sheesh.now you can say that the pages of history have turned and their actual voting power is non-existent,but the pages will turn again.being that the israelis are totally outnumbered by the muslims what chance do you have in the future?make peace you morons.

Did you object when Jordan took control of east Jerusalem after it was earmarked for international control? Israel accepted it an Jerusalem was divided for 19 years, with entry barred to all Jews to pray at their holiest of sites. Israel regained that part of Jerusalem in the 6 day war, and all of a sudden it's not good. You're a joke.

So where, precisely, is it legal for Jews to maintain their heritage? "Jewish heritage" in Europe basically involves goyim reminiscing about bygone eras when Jews were still around. Jewish heritage in the US involves American Jews reminiscing to the days when we hadn't yet arrived in America. Jewish heritage in the Muslim world is simply flat-out illegal. And not Jewish heritage cannot be maintained in Israel either? Yeah, that's not antisemitic.

As with most conservative and orthodox synagogues, the men and women are seatly separately. In the same room and as close as a foot away but with some sort of line of deliniation. Whereas in the mosque _ if I am not incorrect- men and women pray in different rooms altogether. What is your point ??

Let them have it! If they think they will gain any achievements from a Third Intifada then they better look back in the history books and see the death-toll of both sides. Oops, I forgot, they don't really care for their people to die. The lives of the Palestinians are being clinically used by their leaders for creating war in the streets but the people are the ones who pay the price as it was clearly demonstrated during "Operation Solid Lead".

Answer that question for us... please we need to be enlightened. Why was it OK when Jordan controlled Jerusalem under "beligerent occupation" and destroyed anything that was Jewish, replaced by Mosques and minarets?

Peace is a lie the world is happy to embrace to punish israel ! Nothing will ever change !

the current Israeli government has been on a collisioncourse in Jerusalem since it's first day in office. Just like all other Israeli governments just a little more defiant. Too bad the Palestinians and most of the world have come to the end of their patience with Israeli intransigence. Having said that. Now is not a good time ( if there ever is one) for a day of rage. A few random bullets, some casualties and the shit will really hit the fan which will please no one but the hardliners on either side.

'Accept the will of the international community, and there will be no more excuses for future "days of rage".' There are no excuses for 'days of rage', period. A synagogue, a House of God, blown up by Arabs in 1948, was rebuilt and rededicated by Jews in 2010 - and now the Arabs want to blow it up yet again. This is the kind of behaviour your 'international community' sanctions. Which makes its behaviour immoral. And which therefore makes itself not an 'international community', but an anti-Semitic rabble - with rabble-rousers like you in its front ranks. MV

Of Jerusalem It was won in a defensive war, Egypt and syria broke a cease fire and Jordan attacked without being attacked Citizenship was offered a pity many listened to Arafat and co the third element is entirely subjective if the first two were kosher holding out on the last for political reasons is an unholy mix of law and politics, objective and subjective, and questions validity and objectivity of law

The Jews were ethnically cleansed,the Synagogue was destroyed. The Jews are back, the Synagogue is back.Did not work out quite as planned did it? No wonder Hamas is enraged and passed the word.

So far the clowns only achived the 49 wounded from their own ranks. If they continue - tis number will only raise dramatically. Welcome to the intifada the 3rd !

leave east jeruselem alone or fifty years more of war and unstablity

Not a surprise that Arabs are rioting. They have been doing it consistently since The Balfour Declaration. Rioting seems to be their most honoured profession.

well... care to send another rocket, or suicide bomber? You seriously think Mr. Obama somehow will help? How many kids did he ask slaughtered to bring about Goldstone #2? Did you guys handpick those good to go, or just raffle them away? However, if you want to move from ruins in the opposite direction, just bring home Gilad and sign peace treaties. I don't think you will find approval in our White House of late though...

More incitement by the PA and Hamas with our Government still talking about being insulted by a low level Israeli official.

I may not have agreed with Israel announcing such a huge expansion of settlements around Jerusalem during Biden's visit. I can understand their anger. But to have a day of rage because Israel re-builds a synagogue in old Jerusalem is insulting. Why should we as Jews not demand from Arabs especially Arab Israelis an acceptance of our historical birthrite to this land, and that we pre-dated Islam.

Burned churches in Pakistan,Philipines, destroyed ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan,synagogues in the Middle East...of course they are enraged that someone reconstructed synagogue they destroyed with own hands. What a sin!

I guess now we have the reason why it is taking so long for the Ground Zero area to be rebuilt. The Americans are afraid of an Islamic Day of Rage.

Everything is happening in the Occupied East Jerusalem. Occupier has no right to build/destroy in the Occupied Territories.

And my will is that legitimate rights of Jewish people are respected. By all humane and divine laws Jewish people are THE ONLY people with legitimate claims to land Israel. Challanging the obvious is an insult to intellegence and crime agains humanity. STOP INCITEMENT of hatred NOW

Legitimate defence against the re opening a synagonue desotoryed by the arabs in 48 in he Jewishs quartetr of Jerusalem? The Hamas has openy called these riots a HOLY WAR. SO what are speaking about. Demagogue!

And Obama expects the Palestinians will look after our Jewish historical sites on the West Bank if there are two states?

shameful,, while Iran uses these kinds of dirty tactics to attack a country who does them no harm. Someday the world will have the guts to pay back to Iran what it deserves.

What right do the Jews have to rebuild a synagogue that the Arabs destroyed or rebuild their capital and their nation that the Romans destroyed?

Ban the palestinians from Israel Only militants would use this kind of force to express their hatred of those they live with.

Again supporting violence!!

The WB is 100% Israeli territory historically, rightfully and morally Historically - The Jewish people have been connected to Israel for 4000 years. Morally - The Jews offerred peace for the last 100 yrs and the arabs have declarred war. Rightfully - There is only one jewish country while there are 50 arab muslim countries The arabs have 800 times more land than Israel. The Arabs got 75% of British mandated palestine. The more the arabs use violence the less likely Israel will be to make peace.

There would never have been Islamist-Jihadist violence sparking in Israel if Biden and Hillary did not spew their crap. They should be shameful for their idiotic act. Adding fuel to the furnace does not help advance peace in the region. What the two did was emboldened the Islamist-Jihadists to intensify their belligerence and aggressions. The puppeteer behind them should be accountable for their sins against Israel.

No it's a Pallywood issue CJ. How can the Pals milk the political mistake made by the Israeli government for the most positive PR possible. Here they may have overstepped, as they usually do! The Hurva Synagogue has been on the plate for a long time. It is a Jewish synagogue in the Jewish portion of Jerusalem. Under any settlement agreement it is understood that this part of Jerusalem would remain in Israeli hands. To top it off it is nowhere near Al-Aqsa Mosque and poses no threat to the Mosque. So it's a big phony call to arms, grand standing of the highest order. The proof, not many Pals even showed up.

The Arabs continue to support violence even though it has always led them nowhere. They lost the 47/48 war, they lost the 67 war, and they lost the Oslo war that everyone knows Arafat led. They will lose this present intifada that the Hamas and other extremists are advancing. The sad part is that this intifada is cheered on by so called liberals, The only way to advance peace is to convince the Arabs that the road to peace requires respect, tolerance, and willinness to compromise. Most of the leftest talkbackers do the opposite they convince the Arabs to use violence and not to compromise!!!

Sir, International Law deals with relationship between states.Israel and Jordan signed both ceasefire and peace treaty. Judea and Samaria belongs to no state and should be divided, so Arab residents could enjoy their demilitarized state However, I agree that residents of Judea and Samaria should get some state due to their inability to live among both Arabs and Jews.

against our persecutors and peace reduction members of public. Incitors should be jailed for rabble rousing.

To Chris Linthwaite: You are not much different than the arabs.Their god in which name they carry on their rage, their intifada, their attacks, their murder, is not much different than our god, sitting somewhere smiling. They both have one thing in common, same goal,shed BLOOD. Not only are they good at it, (hundreds of years experience)they are very successful.

One day all you zionists will be slaughtered like sheep..and nobody will be able to help you out. Your rabbis know it very well. And we will never be merciful to you. Your throats will be cut by the knives! Death to "Israel"!

It's like why isn't there peace in the ME? The Arabs, like yourself, blame the settlements or occupation. I ask why are there settlements and occupation? Because over five Arab armies attacked Israel and lost the war. BTW, nothing was that much different prior to 1967, Arab riots, massacres of Jewish people terrorism was the same. So why would you blame the settlements or occupation, since it was the same when there were NO settlements and NO occupation. How convenient!

Galatians 4:22,30 For it is writen,that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid,[palestinians]and the other by a freewoman[jews];;30,Nevertheless what saith the scipture??Cast out the bondwonan and her son[palestinians]:shall be heir whith the son of the freewoman [jews]Gabriel led Abraham's donky to the palestinians land

The one who expands his occupation entety little by little is the cancer; the one who lives on shedding the blood of the armless people whenever they say "we need freedom" even in words is the cancer, the one who lives on sucking the blood of the others, like a bug and thinks that he is doing something humanitarian becasue he is feeding himself and his children is the caner; the one who supports establishing a Jewish state in someone's else land, at the time when he prevents Muslim women even from putting on head scarf on the plea of being a sign of discrimination is the cancer, the one who claims that the Jews have the right to have a state in someone's else land while at the same time prevent the call for prayer (which is a freedom of religion0 is the cancer; the one who spray people with white phospherous, a lethal material that burns and causes cancer is the cancer.

It is pretty amazing that Israel "tolerates" the Dome of the Rock being built on the remains of the 2nd Temple, but the Palestinians can't tolerate the rebuilding of the Hurva synagogue.

Now that our "friends" in the US govt have stirred up rioting over innocuous building in the nation's capital, the Obama admin can path themselves on the back.

"Dozens" of Palestinians- 12, 24, 36?- I guess there is more trouble at a London derby football match