IAF bases in North could be targets in future war

Once accurate missiles are used on civilian targets, nuclear weapons will be used by Israel. I seem to recall the cry "Never again".

Nothing like 25% of the military aid is permitted to be spent in Israel more like 10%. Any domestically built weapons need US permission if Israel wants to export them. It wanted to export Arrow to both India & Turkey but the US contributed to development cost so they vetoed Israels right to sell. Another little condition to military aid is the US has an unofficial veto over weapons developed without US technology or money like its Phalcon AWACS. The US vetoed Israels plan to sell to India and tried to sell the Boeing verision which was rejected & the US later dropped its objection to the sale of Phalcon. That veto is also used to US military advantages, Israel had a billion dollar contract with China to build Phalcon the US vetoed so the sale was dropped Military aid means Israel doesn't develop as many domestic products as it once did so less competition for the US version Israel repays its debts, the loan guarantees are only collateral for Israel to get permission to borrow more

of their existence, much less how they often manage to end up being cash handouts with absolutely no stipulations on how or where they're spent.

I have heard this one and it wouldn't happen Outside of Lebanon Hizbollah have no powerbase & not enough supporters in Israel. Leaving their home turf they would be easy pickings for the IDF, they cant access their arms dumps & dont know the terrain If Israel did go into Lebanon in a major war on many fronts Lebanon would be one of the last targets. Before Syria could let off more than a handful of missiles Israeli jets would be pounding Damascus & Assad would then have to start thinking about defense of his own country not just attacking Israel. They also have nothing like 5000 missiles its in the hundreds & half of them are only short range & can't reach all Israel Ben Gurion airport would be a target I am sure but its just 1 target, in a war it would have been evacuated Iran at best can fire missiles, they are to far away to play an active role in the war & they have no land borders. Israel has warships which can hit Lebanon & Syria along with cruise missile firing submarines

If Israel bought foreign aircraft it would have to pay cash but the price of the plane is a fraction of the price of an American one. Prehaps Israel can even try get permission to build under licence if it did buy a foreign plane. If they were buying the bulk of the planes abroad then the most prestigious ones like F35 Israel could buy more of with the military aid it will continue to receive and maybe get the US shipyards to build some ships for the navy. Israel gets very little aid from the US except for military aid which helps US taxpayers. It sometimes helps finance certain military projects like Arrow which it then has the authority to choose who Israel can or cannot export to even if it is an Israeli design. It also sometimes gets loan guarantees from the US which allows it to borrow more on the world markets but it always repays those loans. Israel gets very little in financial aid now. The US recently committed more cash to the palestininians than Israel had for years

Doesn't matter the equipment is brought with American taxpayers money, and 25% of the $3billion per annum is spent in Israel on weapons systems which Israel sells on the international market in direct competition with American products. Then of course there are the loan guarantees the $800 million worth of aid sorry ppre placed amaerican military equipment which Israel can use if required. As I said Israel recieves more aid rom the United States taxpayer than Haiti. Want me to mention the loan guarantees? Israel cannot survive without American taxpayers money that is a fact. The fact Israel refuses to refuse it speaks volumes.

$50,000 each. foreign purchases outside the usa cannot be made with the annual us arms subsidy !

I don't think the American taxpayer will be happy in subsidising Israel's buying aircraft other than those built in the United states. A central argument used by Israelis and Israel firsters when it is pointed out Israel recieves more aid from the American taxpayer than Haiti.

i have a feeling that several countries neighbouring israel will cease to exist in the event of another war ???

Would it not be simpler for everyone just to cease threatening neighbours and try to behave in a more accommodating manner? Iran is not going to launch an attack on Israel, nor it Syria. UNLESS Israel strikes first or otherwise provokes a response. The world would not look kindly on the nation that throws the first stone.

and put war aside.. israel should think more of ways to make peace with its neighbors then fending of incoming missiles.. results for sure will be less destructive on both sides... now that balance of power is starting to even out.. time or serious peace talks and not more wasting time

Iron dome will be virtually useless in the next war. How is Israel going to stop thousands of missles? Not even America could do that. If there is a next war it will be fought in Israel also. Expect Hezbollah to invade border villages while Israel invades Lebanon. ALL military bases will be missle targets as well as Ben Gurion airport. Syria if attacked will respond with everything they have. Their missle inventory is estimated to be over 50000. If Israel is perceived to be weakened Iran may enter and then it's lights out for Israel! All this in less than 30 days. THIS is why Israel may really seek a peace settlement with the PLO and even consider returning the Golan. They really have no other options.

would be in a position to care about rules (which has not been the case in the past) and may very well do so. Israel has in the past (Lebanon, Lebanon, Gaza) bombed plenty of civilian sites rules or no rules. If Syria, Lebanon or Iran were to be attacked by Israel (pre-emptive strikes of course??) it would be very much in the interests of those countries to abide by the rules of war and make Israel look even worse than it already does in the eyes of many.

I agree that the navy is underinvested in and the attitude seems to be unless its a freebee or dirt cheap and they can serve a much bigger role in defense whats needed it a change in military thinking and the navy shouldn't be treated like the service for people not good enough for the IAF & IDF Sometimes military aid should be spent on ships, as long as the boat is built in America it doesn't matter if its a foreign design so Israel has freedoms to manovre and ships are not bought every year, they are major expenses that are laid out once every 15-20 years so they should not be neglected As for the airforce a small fleet of the STOVOL vertical lift F35s and should try and get the SAAB Grippen. The Gripen cost around $60 million each compared to $100+ million for each F35 but although they cannot take off & land vertically they can take off & land on short civilian roads so if airbases are hit they can use the roads. Its not American & not avalible with aid but worth investigating

you are going to have to any way sooner or later because the whole world says they are not yours...or perhaps you think you can take on the whole world?...psst: heres a hint: make peace it last longer and is easier and cheaper by far

Every highway and every runway will be rendered useless. All refineries will bet set ablaze as well as the strategic oil reserves. It will be a war that render shivers in every Israeli bone and to which you cannot be ready. The Arabs are used to that but for Israelis in the heart of the country, they wouldn't know what hit them. And the US gov't will stand idle delaying stockpiles deliveries to make Israelis see the light.

not only IAF , but all israel will get salvos of long-range , short-range , medium-range missiles and projectiles from all kinds . in this war ,the effectiveness of missiles will be tested in israel , also not to mention fighter jets attacks , special infantry forces ,and if war extends , then other weapons would be used .coming war will be different from all previous wars . new players will enter the stage with lethal weapons in hand .i doubt if masks and underground shelters can save people .both warring factions will suffer greatly , but this is the tax of war .

The alternatives are far less attractive.

Is that Israel relies almost completely on its air superiority, which in terms of modern warfare is actually the thing to do, if you got it.

Because it's totally useless against the types of rockets/mortars that threaten them. All the political hype about Iron Dome being developed for that purpose was just to get it funded so interested politicos could reap profits.

Most of the airbases are already hardened. The only other things that can be done are to give the F-16 and F-15 interceptors the ability for JATO/RATO launch in the case that the runways have holes in them. Also, there are systems that have been developed to reduce the repair time for runways to minutes rather than hours. Last, dispersing the planes and having sections of civilian road that can be used as emergancy runways will also help. Last, El Al's larger aircraft should be pre-plumbed so they can be converted to aerial tankers in a major conflict. There has been research done on rearming fighter aircraft while in the air. An aircraft with a similar configuration to the An-225 with the ability to land fighters on it's back, elevate wind shields, and swap weapons pods with robot arms would do the trick. This may also be needed if there is a confrontation with Tehran. Any loss of air supremecy would be a disaster for Israel. The Iron Dome system is too expensive.

You said: "arab have no care about rules. we better be ready to hit syria but wipe out ruling class totally same for iran and Lebanon". that won't do it without cloning few Mobaraks as ready made replacements

arab have no care about rules. we better be ready to hit syria but wipe out ruling class totally same for iran and lebanon.

Good reason to consider a reallocation of resources away from the air force and towards the Navy. Instead of the money going for 25 F-35 jet fighters, buy a fleet of mid size Frigate ships for the Israel Navy equipped with precision long range land attack missiles. These ships could patrol the eastern Mediterranean for weeks or months without having to go back to base. If a Navy base is damaged by a missile attack the ships will still be able to fight. If an air force base is damaged by a missile attack, the planes will be useless.