Growing ties between Turkey, China, Iran worry Israel and U.S.
Turkey held military drill with China, after canceling with Israel; cooperation also reflected in weapons deals, with Iran buying from China mainly missile technology.
By Anshel PfefferStory Highlights
- Growing Turkey-China-Iran ties leaves Israel and U.S. concerned
The United States and Israel are watching with concern the growing military cooperation among Turkey, China and Iran, especially following a joint Turkish-Chinese air-force exercise last week.
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Chinese J-11 fighter jet |
Until two years ago Israel was Turkey's main partner for air combat training.
In 2001 the Turkish air force inaugurated a tactical air warfare center in Konya with Israel and the United States.
Until 2008 the Israel Air Force was a frequent guest in Turkey's sky and a regular participant in the country's big annual exercise, Anatolian Eagle.
In the wake of Operation Cast Lead and the subsequent deterioration of bilateral relations Turkey last year revoked Israel's participation in the maneuvers. The United States decided not to take part in the exercise this year because of that decision. A number of other NATO members followed suit.
Turkey replaced the Israel Air Force with its Chinese counterpart. China sent Sukhoi SU-27 fighter aircraft and pilots to train with Turkey's F-16 fighters. In the past these exercises were held in relatively openness, but last week they were held covertly, with only a brief report appearing in the Turkish media after the exercise.
The West has been watching the changes in the Chinese army's structure, and especially the long-range naval and aerial exercises that indicate Beijing's intention to acquire the ability to conduct warfare far from China's borders.
The Chinese are also aggressively pursuing cyber warfare capabilities, employing some 60,000 hackers at it, according to foreign intelligence reports.
The Obama administration protested Turkey's military cooperation with Iran after it was reported that the Chinese fighter planes were sent to Turkey via Pakistan and Iran.
The developing ties among Turkey, Iran and China are also reflected in weapons deals, with Iran buying from China mainly missile technology.
The C-802 antiship missile fired by Hezbollah in the Second Lebanon War at the Israel Navy's Hanit missile boat was manufactured in Iran with Chinese technology.
China has also developed a surface-to-surface rocket-launching system together with Turkey. China's Prime Minister Wen Jiabao is due to visit Ankara this month and to sign several bilateral cooperation agreements.
Turkey and China are also involved in projects to build oil pipelines from Iran.
Another reason for the close relations between the two states is that China, as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, has been in the forefront of opposition to imposing harsher sanctions on Iran in connection to the Islamic state's nuclear program.
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Am sure that Syria is itching to join the alliance and open its Lataqui seaport to the Chinese ever expanding navy. Iraq will eventually join once our remainng force leave by mid 2011. Lebanon will have no choice but to be a junior partner in the new axis of power. Israel will kick and scream with no avail. American by 2012 will be in such a bad economic shape that will be forced to cut its military presence in 144 countries. By then Afgan people would have gotten back their country. Israel should beware those potential developments.
and foolishly, much more to follow ...
How sweet that is. Finally, some of the Middle East countries are making Israel and the USA squirm and worry. Looks like the mighty USA is no longer so mighty. Hopefully more nations realize that there are others besides the USA that they can deal with with no fear and no bullying. This time the world has new players that are not afraid of the USA or Israel and can play the game just as well. Bravo to Iran and Turkey !!!
It looks like the only Muslims Erdogan is concerned about are Palestinians; the fate of the Turkic Uighurs in China doesn't seem to hurt the cooperation with their oppressors.
Israel and the United States have been encouraging China / Pakistan / Iran to form a new center of gravity. Turkey is climbing on board. A tragedy is brewing. http://pewglobal.org/2010/06/17/obama-more-popular-abroad-than-at-home/
Through so many years, Turkey tried to enter EU and got double standard treatments and got rebuffed. Sure they are angry and see no future being allied to Western, US/Israeli block actually. They would be better treated looking towards China, Iran and the others. Yes, the West lost Turkey and there goes the ME hegemony... by west. With Iran and Turkey in the way.. no way Israel/US/Western can control ME forever.. .Bye bye.
when compared, there is no big difference between israel and iran in terms of being a fascist and terrorist state. Turkey already replaced western funds with arabian money and stabilized its economy and now seek new ports to anchor. Israelis should understand that turkey wont be their ally anymore, they have only USA on their side and on any possible fall-back by US, israel will most probably find itself in great turmoil.
i dont know the news is fact or fiction but if there is aggrement between Turkey and China it would be fantastic. Usa is in the border of china because of what Taliban ( which is what USA created everyone know this factt ) and Israel is continously threaten IRAN ,take support from his Daddy USA and kill people whom doesnt matter what they do or why they are doing or which nationality they are and try to find partner such as Romania or Greece , backstab Turkey in armenian situation then complained about aggrement with turkey and iran ...come on ..I hope china , turkey and iran get connected and show really what israel deserves ..
Why worry when the prophets tell us that all of Israel's enemies will be destroyed?
The fact of the matter remains that the cold war is over and old paradymns are no longer relevant. The Turks have always been in a key strategic position, with one part in Europe and one in Asia. The problem with Israel and the US is that it has befriended the dictators of the region and not the people, having a democratic wave in the region would then naturally bring hostile governments into the region, Iraq too will rise again, and it will be Shia - the next wars will be with the Shia, the sunnis are beaten, with the exceptions of a few horse flies in the form of terrorist they are finished, look at Egypt, once mighty now a pathetic shadow of its past glory and compare that with Iran's rise.
A natural reation to unconditional support for little bully in the region- The rest will react accordingly to reduce the threat.
The second largest economy in the world. They hold so many billions in US Treasury, that by a snap of a finger, they could well place the US Economy in total collapse. Turkey, an economic powerhouse, that by far outclasses the rest of Europe. Turkey has also become a major player in the Middle East, in fact Turkey is also big brother to Iran. So, what do we have,? alliances? yes, if you want to succeed and win, you persevere you do not hang out with the pack, you make your choices and give it 100%., The Turkey China alliance is good for both countries, the US may well be peeved off, then again their economy is hardly flourishing with the current recession and political uncertainty. Good day from Swiss Alps where one US dollar cannot buy you a bread roll.
During the cold war, The US loved the Turks because the US could stage it's forces along the USSR's southern flank. After the dissolution of the USSR, the need no longer exists. An interesting point... during the 1960s the US 6th fleet was denied Turkish port access because the Turks felt the USNavy was blatantly using Turkey as a bordello.
This is just another iteration of the Great Game that has been playing out since the rise of nation states. One alliance is formed another is threatened almost ad infinitum, China has been dependent on Iranian oil for decades, Americans suck oils out of at least a dozen countries to meet their daily ration of rapacious needs. Will there be an all out shooting war as all sorts of resources evaporate, especially water? Odds on more than likely. If it makes you day to blame this one or that one, really pity yourself because you can't see the monster in the mirror. Have a great day pinning the donkey on your own ass. LMFAO
Israel's behaviour is uniting the rest of the world in friendship. Meanwhile, thanks to Israel's "friendship", the U.S. is going down the toilet---alone.
Cause and effect. A strong Turkish-Iranian-Chinese relationship is the rationale and expected reaction to the nightmare of US-EU-Israeli dreams of world dominance through colonial-style militarism (the Mongolian horde mindset). Neither China, Turkey not Iran has an iota of colonialist invasion on their collective souls in the past millenia.
The term for Chinese, Persian or Turkish invasion is not colonialist but they had imperial aims, not much difference between US colonialist invasion indeed.
These are all about the provocations of some secret circles towards the creation of the new world order with the remaining 500m people after the next great catastrophe... that's what they want and that's what all naive government officials serve...
Check the elections results of any elections and you'll see ,turks were never friends with US and Israel.The military had to take down the elected goverment which usualy was islamic.The problem lies with the israely politicians who blindly supported an islamic state which sooner or later will join their islamc brothers against Israel.My advice here is nothing new -divide and conquer.Turkey is too big and powerful especially now having the support of china,iran syria,the situation is not very good for Israel and the west..Support kurds,greek,armenians et.c.
I don't blame the Turks. With the EU cold to them and the US being completely biased towards Israel when dealing with Turkey, it was about time Turkey formed other more productive alliances. Having the veto backing from China will be huge to Ankara. The US won't dare confront China unless our intentions are to wipe our debt clean via all out war with her. Checkmate. Turkey just outplayed Israel/US. My advise to the US, and I being a proud citizen of this country...drop Israel, she is a major liability in every way imaginable.
The majority of the world complete disagrees with US and Israeli imperialistic policies, so this is the result. Don't be surprised to find the Chinese supporting the Taliban and the Iraqi insurgents too.
What imperialistic policies ? Since US got in bed with zionists it's losing it's influence not only in ME but all over the World. Not to mention that it's on the edge of bancrupcy too.
Interests of Israel are not interests of Europe
Turkey is a NATO member in good standing and like most Europeans I would rather have a Turk standing by my side than an Israeli standing behind me.
Live up to the old prejudice? Instigating others into dissent and war?
Iran's solid-fueled Sajil can already reach Italy, if not Germany. The Sajil II will likely be able to reach the UK. So keep telling yourself, "Iran only threatens Israel and the Jews." Iran also has its people all over Europe, and has already carried out operations against Iranian opposition figures on European soil.
We all know the answer. It was the Netanyahu government, using the wrong approach to stopping the Turkish "flotilla", which resulted in the killing of 9 Turks. To add insult to injury, Israel refused to apologize for this deadly error. It is good to remember that when Ben Gurion established the special alliance with Turkey, he did that in order for the two countries to help each other in countering the Arabs and especially Syria. Netanyahu has now given up on Turkey and Syria is becoming their friend. In addition, Iran is getting stronger and the Chinese are moving into the neighborhood. Pretty stupid of Israel, it seems.
All Arap league was against to Israel and Turkey and History show us that the threat make these two countries Brothers. And Today From Ben Gurion to Bibi all the alliance btw. Israel and Turkey Finished because of BIBI'S and his hawks LARGE POLITICAL EGOISM. Becareful guys, I live in US but you live in Israel near the bad guys. Bye
laws exist in Israel just like any nation, half assed people on a boat won't impose there will onto our nation !!! Turkey is the big loser if it thinks it could trust china !!
he predicted a 3rd great war would start in the middle east, and be a result of new global alliances versus old alliances. what do china turkey and iran have in common? all three are not to be trusted.
Look thru American side not just israel side. We need Turkey to est. oil pipes and need allince of Muslim and military base in Adana Incirlik, Security guard of Kurds, Backup plan for Iran, Turkic heritage for oil deals, growing economy with 80 mil. young pop. ARE THOSE ENOUGH We choose TURKEY
I don't understand the reasoning, they have always been a main help during the last 50 years and their people help rebuild ravished Germany after the war, we have great ties with them, and they are part of NATO and were an amazing asset during the cold war, where as Israel has always been a liability. So I am not sure of your logic or reasoning.
EU should join Turkiye if they want to survive in the long run, China is going to take over the world in the next 40 years,you join them and take a piece of the cake or you oppose them and be a piece of the cake.americans cant support europe for ever,join Turkiye or become Turkiye its up to you.
The US and Israel are concerned about a situation they have created through their own arrogance, ignorance, naivete and stupidity.
But do you provide any specific reasons for those accusations? I didn't think so. Besides, anyone can speak in such ambiguous terms, and apply it to any group of people. Result: Talkback a complete waste of time!
I wonder .At the speed of 'change' of the turks from a 'Western' ally to a Muslim/Chinese one that perhaps the Turks engineered the flotilla incident to cover this premeditated move.
Every rational person is aware that the flotilla incident was engineered by Erdogan and his ilk in order to blame Israel and the USA for the changes in the Turkish politics. Obviously, the bloody repression of the Turkic Uighurs by the Chinese doesn't bother AKP; it's only the Palestinians that produce crocodile tears in Ankara and Istanbul.
Tut tut, you zionists never really cotton on do you, too psychopathic, or is it psychotic, whatever you're nuts. Oh I forgot, you're the 'chosen people'; racially superior lol. Lmao.
Tut tut, you zionists never really cotton on do you, too psychopathic, or is it psychotic, whatever you're nuts. Oh I forgot, you're the 'chosen people'; racially superior lol. Lmao.
Its time for Israel and the US to strengthen military ties with India to counter China's rise with the more extreme Muslim states. Since India is the largest democracy and has similar morals and political system to the West.
it is clear why Us and Israel is under stupid goverments today, look at their people :)
Israel and India have been in close relationship to build an alliance recently. India is welcoming military and economic alliance with Israel. Read more on this before attacking all people of US and Israel with a racist attitude.
Your comment is racist. It implies that non-western countries and Asian and Arab nations in particular are less moral. You might like to know that Indian culture is actually very Arabic. The Moors ran India for 600 years before the English arrived and took over for another 400 years. India, like many less developed nations is thoroughly corrupt and its political system is a deeply flawed version of democracy. But don't let the facts get in the way of racism.
The jig's up. Governments who have treated nations as inferiors don't get loyalty. Israel and the US are going to learn a lesson. It would be much worse if it wasn't for President Obama. He isn't an arrogant ass. God Bless him. Salaam/Shalom btw, India doesn't have the same morality, or lack of it, as Israel.
Looking back it is obvious that operation cast lead did brought nothing good for israel. Relations with Turkey did sour. Hamas remains in power , in Gaza. Image of Israel got a big hit ( Goldstone Report ). People like barak and Livni are visionaries ( not ). With such politicians israel is in deep trouble
Looking back it is obvious that operation cast lead did brought nothing good for israel. Relations with Turkey did sour. Hamas remains in power , in Gaza. Image of Israel got a big hit ( Goldstone Report ). People like barak and Livni are visionaries ( not ). With such politicians israel is in deep trouble
Islamic nations, especially those in the mideast will do well to look elsewhere to make political and military ties. Israel actually uses America as a proxy and controls Americas relationship with nations in the region. Before 2006, America was friendly with Lebanon. Siniora, the Lebanese leader was pro west and anti-Hizbollah. When the 2006 war began, Israel did not concentrate on Hizbollah targets. They targetted all of Lebanon. President Bush asked that Israel not take actions that would damage the Lebanese infrastructure or that would harm the Siniora government.. Israel did both in grand style, toppling the Siniora government, giving Hizbollah added power, and handing America a bill for half a billion dollars to clean up the mess. Now Lebanon and America are no longer friendly, thanks to Israel. As long as Israel continues to dictate American policy in the mideast, there can never be peace and Islamic extremism will grow stronger. Israel considers it in their own interest if western nations are at war with Islam. This is the most important fact regarding mideast relations.
Turkey's allaince with Iran has zero to do with Israel. It's Turkey's strategic desision to move east. They see a money making opportunity to do busioness with Iran given the sanctions on Iran. The west should make Turkey pay for this shift, kick them out of Nato and western trade. Maybe we can get a Turkey military coup. As for Lebonon, Sinora was a figure head, Hezballah and its arms are in charge. It's a shame, but that's the way it is. If Hezballah starts a war, unfortunatley Lebanon will suffer. Iran has Lebonon hostage, the biggest hostage taking in the world.
and requesting change. Israel, seeing the latest uproar against Islam in the US especially in the rightist blind media. YOur silence is advocating a war against Islam and Israel will sit out , watch the massacre that will Nostradamus laugh. Help cut the ties to Israel, it is making a mocker of our independence. Being silent may not work best for the US jews either.
Israel didn't kill 9 activist. israel's goverment killed them. so I hate israel's goverment. Israel is still turkey's friend.
no difference...
and that is a sworn enemy of the US (big satan)?
Please understand when I tell you that I still love Turkey too but I hate the Turkish government for inciting Turkish public against Israel, for making un acceptable and false accusations about Israel at Davos, for excluding Israel from the yearly military exercises, for supporting Hamas and accepting it as freedom fighters while the entire world recognizes it as terrorists and finally for supporting IHH that sent the provocation mission to Israel. (Don't tell me government has no control over IHH. If this government can pressure Haberturk (Tugay Ciner) to fire Bekir Coskun, from the paper, can imprison thousands at Silivri for no apparent reason including journalists like Tuncay Ozkan and Mustafa Balbay they could easily prevent the IHH)
Erdogan incites hatred against his own country's people. Erdogan and his followers incite hatred against millions of secular Turks. Inciting hatred against Israel is Islamists' easiest drug to fool voters. If Israeli-Palestinian conflict is solved, Islamists and anti-Semitics in the West will be terribly upset because they will lose their political tool.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, I am tired of you David. Same fake story, again and again and again.
David, i totally understood you as a Turk. but what you are missing is ; as a democracy my government can not stop people from travelling on their own desire. and our Foreign Minister told that (maybe your and US TV s did not show it) they warned the Mavi Marmara but they inisist on going and so FM told this to Israel, Egypt and US Foreign Ministries and also told them to aware any violent actions against civialns. also US send letters to Turkey and Brazil on Iran issue then lied about it. in Iraq war, we suffered the most. as a result i do not want such a friendship sorry all of you. i still do not have any problem with Jews or our Jew citizens. Turkey is a independent state and i think we must think our ecomony too (i mean sanctions on Iran - USA or Israel think whatever they want, i want my goverment to continue trade with Iran.) and hope Haaretz will publish this.
Turkey made this choice for the same reason Israel supported apartheid South Africa; it thinks it is in its best interests. Nations don't worry about morality.
the west's interest should be to have peaceful, strategical, economic and cultural ties with the Moslem world to the mutual advantage and not an orchestrated "conflict of civilisations" to everybody's loss.Solving decently the IP conflict would help to strengthen the moderate majority, isolate the extremist minority and move forward.Else the chineses and russians are very fast to fill the void.
Sooner or later the USA will realize that Israel is a strategic liability; something that the US Military has already admitted. Whether this realization comes before Israel drags the USA down completely is quite another matter. As the economic power of the USA ebbs, China will transition to become the economic superpower. Economic superiority will produce military superiority as sure as night follows day. Importantly neither economic nor military power is nearly as important as moral authority, The actions of Israel have robbed the USA of what little moral authority it had. Lie down with dogs; get up with fleas.
Amen !!! ,...
"Sooner or later the USA will realize that Israel is a strategic liability." Not if you're running for Congress and need money; it is what is called in the biz a slamdunk. It is the only sure strategy and, obviously, they all know it.
Grow up people. Some of you have really blown the situation out of proportion. All Turkey has done is send a warning to some ignorant/arrogant armchair generals in Israel and the USA. The message is clear: if you try and ostracise Turkey there are always alternatives which many not be in your best interests. Can you really imagine a NATO without a southern flank, or without an isolated bulwark on Soviet frontiers?
do tell
do tell
do tell
in 20yrs turkey will be an enemy of west unfoirtunately
in 20yrs turkey will be an enemy of west unfoirtunately
Come off it. Nothing is secret these days with the technology which all nations use to monitor what is happening in the world.
Anyone with a little bit of contained intellect will know that all military aircraft in Turkish Air Space is controlled by the NATO Allied Air Component Command Izmir (CC-Air Izmir) located at Sirinyer, in the south of Izmir, Turkey. Nothing secret here. Even if it were, Turkey is a sovereign nation and does not need to seek permission from third parties when conducting joint manouvers. Did Israel ask Turkey for an explanation when it was courting Greece, the PKK etc? Turkey has interests like all States. And like all States it needs insurance policies.
Old power blocks are breaking up like Arctic ice flows; a groan here, a rumble there, then a loud crack and a large piece floats away. "Politics has no heart".
Old power blocks are breaking up like Arctic ice flows; a groan here, a rumble there, then a loud crack and a large piece floats away. "Politics has no heart".
You don't like it? Then be friendly to Turkey.
to maintain the position that Israel is not an albatross around the US neck. It's a shame. I wish it were different
only WE can do this exact same thing!!
how many good christian soldiers have died for the atrocity called israel ? boycott isreal
The ties between China, Iran, Russia and Turkey will get stronger and stronger. How come? Some 15 years ago the onscurous group of right-wing Israeli-American neocon gained more and more influence and started the agenda of Israel being the superpower of the world. For example: 10 year old documents of a Jeruzalem based neocon 'think' tank reveal that the Georgian-Russian war was in fact the result of a classical Jewish conspiracy. Turkey was set to be abused as a puppet to crush Russian gas exports etc. etc. So as the crazy right-wing Israeli community had the idea of crushing Russia and to use Turkey for such...one can do the math. Turkey and Russia will now do all to annoy if not to destroy Israel. And I guess Russia is far more capable to crush Israel compared to the other way around. To the people of Israel: your own Nethanyahu was part of the conspiracy against Russia so it may boost you chances of survival if you start to understand what kind of crazy warmongers are gambling with the fate of your Israel.
References to obscure websites are just that Genuine copies of government documents please Talk about crazy
Israel (Turkey's friend) killed nine Turkish activists, USA supported Israel actions. What do you expect Turkey to do? What’s wrong to be friend of future super power? USA is a sole friend of Israel, for how long? World would be peaceful place to live without USA and Israel.
When you breakup with your girl friend, she has the right to date someone else. So, Israel and US should not be surprised.
it for Iran just as Obama was sending it flowers. Erdogan "has the right" to date Ahmedinejad, but you can't blame the West for being disappointed at Turkeys attitude.
Morals now? Get real!
USA is a sole friend of Israel, for how long? World would be better and peaceful place to live without USA and Israel.
Turkey has friends and alternatives. Israel is still stubborn. Israel should accept that Turkey is the friend she need.
turkey use to be friend with israel, but that was before Erdogan, now trying to streignht it's ties with countries like Iran and China, i do not need to talk more about those cou ntries, as everyone know what type of countries they are. ısrael will find other iles for sure, on Turkish sites problems will come when those countries benefits seperates, Israel is not Turkey's enemy, Turkey is against Israel.
turkey use to be friend with israel, but that was before Erdogan, now trying to streignht it's ties with countries like Iran and China, i do not need to talk more about those cou ntries, as everyone know what type of countries they are. ısrael will find other iles for sure, on Turkish sites problems will come when those countries benefits seperates, Israel is not Turkey's enemy, Turkey is against Israel.
turkey use to be friend with israel, but that was before Erdogan, now trying to streignht it's ties with countries like Iran and China, i do not need to talk more about those cou ntries, as everyone know what type of countries they are. ısrael will find other iles for sure, on Turkish sites problems will come when those countries benefits seperates, Israel is not Turkey's enemy, Turkey is against Israel.
Turkey or more precisely AKP government broke up with Israel starting the false accusation of PM Erdogan ad Davos and all other incidents following it.
I think that Iran's army has ancient wepons so we do not have to worry about although Iran claim that they sell wepons to 50 different countries. God knows if they are toys or you can actualy pull the trigger.If they did have any skill or wepons they shoudl have used against Saddam. They fought against saddam's ancient army fro 10 years but no success.
Iran managed to defeat Saddams "ancient" army even though he had the whole world supporting him. Furthermore, Iran was unstable having recently at the time gone through a revolution and was not prepared for Saddams attack. After the initial Iraqi offensive, Iran managed to oust Saddam and go in to invade Iraq. Since that war, we have learnt many lessons and have had 20 years to prepare for another aggressive attacker, Israel.
Seems that ancient armies like Taliban are even to hard for "world super power" USA
Seems that ancient armies like Taliban are even to hard for "world super power" USA
Did everyone expect U.S to be the sole superpower forever? Read some history books for a change of view. Empires come and go. Today, America seems to be at its twilight. It may be uncomfortable for some to hear this, but the signs are all there. When has America last won a war? Clear victory. WWII. Korea was a stalemate, one that haunts that peninsula to this day. Vietnam was a fiasco. Desert Storm would have the same result as the war in Iraq has today, if the troops had occupied that country at the time. And the wars of today, Afghanistan and Iraq, are not going well. All this has drained American economy, international debts are piling up, various undehanded tacticts have earned them the ire of the most of the world. While all this could be ignored when America was strong, because, then, everyone was kept in line. Today, there are countries, like China, which are growing economically. And in the context of America weakening, they want a piece of the pie. Despite all this, U.S. acts as if nothing has changed, and by extension Israel does so too. This leads to cooling relations with countries that would suffer such behaviour in the past, because they had to. There was no alternative. Well, today there is. And countries that are pushed away go away. Both Israel and America need to learn that to have good relations you need to respect your counterpart, not bully them, or humiliate them. That doesn't work anymore.
ME peace is critical to long term US goals, more so than many realize. China has started to build up it military but still needs a stronger high tech manufacturing base yet, so another 5 to 10yrs then the problems really begin.
We,indians will be aloser in supporting Israel and usa due to their hegemony policies, since they are losing their allies one by one. First iran, then iraq, then afghanistan, now turkey and next pakistan (cracks are visible now. Israel & jews have to vacate the palestinian land in yhe long run and it is now clear that if they don't they will be perished. usa can do nothing.
The USA never had Iran, Pakistan or Iraq as real friends. Turkey is going by way of their Moslem bretherin; Turkey in the long run will lose. Iran has trouble from within and has alienated its Sunni neighbors and has one resource holding it up: oil. China will sell destabilizing arms to whoever will buy them and Turkey will and has antagonized Israel and the US & the EU to a degree. I would not consider these actions any benefit to Turkey. Iran and China can't help Turkey's economy. They can only sell Turkey guns that are not necessary. Peace with the PKK might help.
We,indians will be aloser in supporting Israel and usa due to their hegemony policies, since they are losing their allies one by one. First iran, then iraq, then afghanistan, now turkey and next pakistan (cracks are visible now. Israel & jews have to vacate the palestinian land in yhe long run and it is now clear that if they don't they will be perished. usa can do nothing.
The US and some other EU countries did not want to join the Anatolian Eagle trainings, please do not cray if Turkiye has invited others to take part. Hope next year Russia will be invated as well, and to the IDF pilots they have been bombing unprotected civilians in Gaza for decades murdering women and children.
but fortunately not design by US & Israel.
It is not working like that at all. US is still the main ally of Turkey and that won't change for sure. But, for Israel it is not like that any more. Take some lessons from your big brother US, they appoligized from Pakistan because of the killings of soldiers by drones yesterday, look what just one apology can make to honorable nations in this part of the world. You need to get use to it if you are going to live here or you will just go on losing your good friends. And about China and Turkey, it is not somethhing new, go check the trade volumes at the last decade.
The Turkish & Iranian border was established in 1639, and it is unchanged for 371 years. It is the sole naturally formed border and it is not like the other borders in middle east, all drawn by imperialist powers with ruler. Where was US in 1639?
years before Turks moved from Altai to Asia Minor?
years before Turks moved from Altai to Asia Minor?
years before Turks moved from Altai to Asia Minor?
years before Turks moved from Altai to Asia Minor?
Do you know that RED INDIANS had their own country about "G...D knows how many years" before white man moved from Europe to America.
Did you know that in 1639 the Ottoman Empire (as the name empire indicates) was one of the biggest imperialist states in the world?
Greetings from Karsiyaka and Balcova. From which district of Izmir were you from?
Yeah right David and you would behanged as a traitor. I miss those times of Turkey just because of people like you.
you forget to add as a slave of pharaoh
Gazi ilk Okulu, Namik Kemal Lisesi. And to that Turk who would like to hang me in the Konak Square; If you try it there will be many Ataturk follower Izmirli's saving me and putting your head in the noose instead. So be careful.
Did you know that it was an Ottoman Caliph who allowed Jews to return to the Old City after the Christian Crusaders kicked them out?
Countries have interests. Israel and to some extent the US have shown little interest in Turkey for almost a decade, except as it can be used. That is demonstrably not friendly toward Turkey. Things get set in motion when interests diverge. China holds bunches and gobs of US debt. Nothing is simple or cut and dried.
Countries have interests. Israel and to some extent the US have shown little interest in Turkey for almost a decade, except as it can be used. That is demonstrably not friendly toward Turkey. Things get set in motion when interests diverge. China holds bunches and gobs of US debt. Nothing is simple or cut and dried.
shuold understand that they have not more right than any other countries. When U.S. and Israel do business whit China it is no problem at all. There's no problem wiht that. If Turkey does business with China then there's a problem. What's wrong with Israel...seriously...And please...one advise to Israeli media..Stop trying to link Turkey wiht terrorists. Turkey has a thousands years of history. We welcomed Jewish during the Ottoman empire while they were hunted in Europe. So please, read the history and gain some knowledge about Turkey and his history. Unfortunately Israeli seems to be iontochable adn noone is allowed to criticize it. But turkey will always criticize,. when unjustice happens. Turkey also todl Hamas not to fire rockets to Israel. If Israel wants peave they sit and talk....but thw world doesn't belive Israel anymore. cause it looks liek they dont want peace...
1. Israel is not much concerned about Turkish China relations but it is concerned with Turkish / Iran relations. You should be too. But as you said Turkey is an independent state and has the right to choose her friends. But just remember when Turkey was crippled with the 1974 US embargo that US enforced after the Cyprus invasion. It was lifted around 1990 with the help of Israel your true friend. Israel never did a NANKOR act to Tirkey. but with the support of Iran and Hamas, Turkey is acting Nankor to Israeli the old friend.
Not because of Israel lobby in wash. Because US weaponary co.es made enourmous press to Whitehouse wt. Pentagon Now reason is Arm deal -> Money NOT Friendship Bye.
As a turk i want to say you: I like jews and i like Israel. I like smart Jews. Like the Google guys (Sergey Brin or Larry Page) or like CEO of Microsoft Steve Ballmer or the CEO of Oracle. You are smart guys. Im not antisemitic. But what i dont like are fascists like Liebermann. This guy is bad for Israel. He is a cheap populist who only thinks on his own ass. btw: i don't like akp :)
Add this to the growing list. Pretty soon as it demands we do not sell weaponry/technology to arab nations it will leave us with Israel as being our only "customer" and thats not saying much since they dont pay for gotz.
MAVI MARMARA
The reason is not Gaza Convoy! REASON is Israel PM Netanyahu LYING to Recep Tayyip ERDOGAN when they are making secret dialog with syria in Istanbul, all the agreements were ready to sign but before the ceramony to sign it HAWKS stop it and the operation Cast Lead begin and 1400 Pal. Dead Reason is political WASTE of Netanyahu and the HAWK friends of govrmt. So Turkey find the new frinds Chine (Irans supporter), Syria, Lebonan, Iran, Who wins NOW
PM Netanyahu at that time in 2008, but PM Olmert.
It was OLMERT
The U.S must intervene and remove the terrorist AKP from power in Turkey. It is clear to the whole world now that the Turkish Republic is nearing its end and is becoming a terrorist state bent on destroying Israel just like Iran, hamas and hizballah! The U.S must act before it is too late! Cut Turkey from NATO, bring in an international force to remove the terrorist AKP and bring democracy back to Turkey!
Turkey doesn't need NATO.It's the other way round.If Turkey kicks NATO out of the Incrilik base,they're toast in Afghanistan and Iraq.That will be the end of NATO as we see it.
Turkey doesn't need NATO.It's the other way round.If Turkey kicks NATO out of the Incrilik base,they're toast in Afghanistan and Iraq.That will be the end of NATO as we see it.
Turkey doesn't need NATO.It's the other way round.If Turkey kicks NATO out of the Incirlik base,they're toast in Afghanistan and Iraq.That will be the end of NATO as we see it.
Total nutjob
Total nutjob
the US should, what, invade turkey and remove the democratically elected government?? CIA sponsored coup? Jews sure seem smart to me, but their IQs seem to drop precipitously whenever Israel is at issue. Or maybe it's the focus on Torah studies dumbing them down
if there is any drop in IQ it is clearly from the turkish dictator! Sponsoring a terrorist action to send dangerous weapons to Hamas is not something to be taken lightly. The world must not allow terrorism to threaten the existence of the Jewish State. The world must act on turkey, like it needed to act against Nazi Germany!!! AKP has rigged the electoral process in Turkey and is on the verge of converting a fine republic into a terrorist, anti-Semitic, Islamic state! Turkey sends a boat full of terrorists equipped with knives, clubs, metal pipes taken from ship railings and wheelchairs with one intention; to commit murder against our brave soldiers! What is worse is that several reports show that the Turkish terror ship was packed with explosives and other bomb making materials. If it weren't for our brave boys, these dangerous materials would have been shipped to Hamas; soon after to be used to commit genocide against the Jewish nation!!! We always knew that AKP had ties to Al-Qaeda and Hamas, and now they exposed themselves to the light of the world! Turkey has gone too far, action must be taken before it seals a pact of evil with Iran, Hamas and Hizballah!!!
with a name like that ;-)
It seems that the united states are starting to feel the effects of ostracizing Turkey for its current political posture. Because of Turkey's disgust for Israel's Cast Lead operation, Mavi Marmara disaster, Turkey has reasserted itself as a non-aligned nation acting on its own conscience and interests. The U.S tried to pressure Turkey in rehabilitating the military ties it once had with Israel without helping solve the underlying issue of Israel's actions and the direct repercussions they have had on Turkey. Instead of pressuring Israel to make good towards Turkey, especially after the Flotilla incident, it instead looked the other way and even threatened turkey to reduce its NATO military hardware purchasing. As stated, the U.S even canceled joint military exercises to show solidarity with Israel, in response to its exclusion from those very exercises. The gambit of the u.s administration was that Turkey would fear measures undermining its stature in NATO only to see Turkey finding allies elsewhere to fill in its military cooperation, hardware procurements. The U.S seems to value an eternal, unwavering friendship with Israel than a longstanding, regional key NATO ally. Turkey has outlined very specifically the measures to be taken to rehabilitate the relations with Israel, that comes first with an apology and compensation for the families of activists killed on the Mavi Marmara. Turkey will not back down from this, the U.S should have realized that from the beginning. Threatening to withhold military hardware sales to Turkey (a NATO ally) over its diplomatic row with Israel (a non-NATO ally) not only shows how hollow the NATO alliance is to the U.S., but also shows how far and costly the U.S is ready to go to protect its infallible Israeli ally. In the end, it is the U.S that will lose valuable military contracts with Turkey who will simply give those contracts to China. In practical terms the U.S gambit was but an empty threat, as the Turks know very well that it can procure from the Chinese what the U.S threatens to withhold. In the end, the U.S will bury the hatchet, uphold its NATO military procurement obligations with Turkey as there is too much money at stake. Perhaps the latest air-drill with China is simply a message from Turkey to remind the U.S what is at stake.
WATCH OUT TURKEY BECAUSE ONE FINE DAY YOU MAY NEED ISRAEL, AND THEY WILL NOT HELP YOU TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY.
we dont need murderers and the ones who drawn in arrogance to help us. God bless the true folowers of Prophet Moses (peace upon him)
Turkey would 'need' israel one fine day? the only thing israel provides is a unifying cause for Arabs. The ongoing conflict with palestinians offers a bridge for Iran to assert itself as a regional power, drawing support from the arab street, on the other side it provides Turkey with a reason to re-engage and re-assert its political influence in the middle east; something that was lost since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. If you ask me, Turkey and Iran need Israel alright, like fire needs oxygen. On another note, perhaps Turkey should heed your call, your caps lock seems to show you mean business!
.... Not a word from Obama.... God help Israel!
what israeli know how.? How to kill civilians..
All i can say %100 of IAF is american made. bye
We can go on playing dumb or we can attack the messenger, or we can listen to Petraeus and accept the simple fact that the world will soon polarize along the Palestine/Israel axis. This is good news for Israel which likes to be seen as defender of Western interests even though Israel endangers Western interests with its refusal to settle the conflict based on international law.
While Israel and the US are concerned it ought not be a surprise that connections are established between these three countries. Israel won't address its actions on the Turkish Gaza convoy. Iran has many historic reasons for not trusting the US and its sidesman Israel. China wishes security of oil supplies. Mind you, the Middle East does not belong to Israel or the US. However painful that may seem for both countries. Israel and the US have both used duplicity, created conflict, removed leaders of countries for their strategic purposes. Maybe with the three aforementioned countries there is arising a challenge to this hegemony.
Turkey happens to be a member of Nato,she cannot work on both sides and she wants to become a member of the EU.
on the boat. Iran and Israel had no problems till the Islamist takeover. Neither did Israel and Turkey. As The moslems have 99% of the land in the ME and want to take the remaining 1% who did you say seeks hegemony?
on the boat. Iran and Israel had no problems till the Islamist takeover. Neither did Israel and Turkey. As The moslems have 99% of the land in the ME and want to take the remaining 1% who did you say seeks hegemony?
on the boat. Iran and Israel had no problems till the Islamist takeover. Neither did Israel and Turkey. As The moslems have 99% of the land in the ME and want to take the remaining 1% who did you say seeks hegemony?
on the boat. Iran and Israel had no problems till the Islamist takeover. Neither did Israel and Turkey. As The moslems have 99% of the land in the ME and want to take the remaining 1% who did you say seeks hegemony?
...thank you.
then go back to school.
Tibet, Hezbollah (iran interference in lebanon), non-cooperation with IAEA? China/Iran are experts at "dupliciity" "conflict creation" etc. your general analysis is reasonable but your moral compass needs a bit of tuning.
GOD BLESS YOU AND ALL YOUR FAMILY WEL SAID.
Religions don't own land; people do.
I believe Turkey has made it clear regarding its Nato membership.Turkey has been a loyal member through many wars and conflicts. I do not believe one incident or 2 are a confirmation of Turkey's intentions. Besides, a country can have many alliances, especially in this changing world.
who naturally allied themselves with their brothers
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If you push someone away, don't be surprised if he goes.
the way he showered turkey with praise during his visit there (he has yet to visit israel), you'd think Erdogan wouldn't feel so pushed. Can you point to specific obama actions that "forced" erdogan to forge ever stronger ties with Iran?
when our 9 citizens (1 of them with american passaport actually) have been killed, they called it a tragic action. We are their NATO ally, Israel is not. We have been fighting with PKK for 30 years 72000 people have died, again we are their NATO ally, Israel is not. Our soldiers went to every mission in the world almost, but what did we gain? More war in our region more chaos, dead citizens, oil companies ripping through people in countries. Obama started well, turned out to be a huger felony than even Bush. Do you know why? There's a saying in Turkish, "If you are not righteous, do something wrong" so we know you are wrong and we wont hesitate. Bush was like this but Obama? Playing completaly hypocrite. For Israel's security 2 million Iraqi ivilians half of it women and children got killed. And now US sanctions Iran for producing nuclear technology. They even asked China if the sanctions should get tightened but they did not even mention it to us. So there are alot of reasons. Some I did not count here
He showed them that when it comes to a place where Israel's interests and Turkey's conflict with each other, he will chooses Israel even when it is clearly wrong.
what do you expect? Is that NATO policy? Nobody got kiiled on any of the other ships What does that tell you?
before somebody listens?
that is absolutely spot on! exposing NATO tactics, weaponry to China and Iran all because refuses to apologize and compensate Turkey for the Flotilla operation. Now the u.s clearly sees how far the rabbit hole goes.
Don't worry PeterSM, you know how to eat with chop sticks, don't you?
think again, you know how many times i have warned you , and you know my predictions are coming true, i'm not a prophet peter, just someone with brains.
Isn't there a disconnect between your being afraid of exposing them to our tactics and technology and your supporting a country which sold ultra-sensitive US information to the USSR?
Did you think the US will be the sole superpower forever? Did you not think of whats going to happen to Israel in 30 years when the US is weak and poor? Who's going to help you then?
What will the Arab world have to keep China interested? The USA will be weak and poor???? US worker is one of the most productive in the world Where do most of the worlds terchnology and Nobel prizes come from? Israel has many world class industries can you say the same for the other side?
Well, every country with a common sense, do have sympaties for Israel. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, UK, Germany, All of EU, Canada, etc, etc will support against the muslim facism. Islam is the cancer of the world
And thank God. 30 more years with these Zionist monsters would be too much to handle.
If you Help Yourself, the Heavens Will Help You....
Oil will be around for at least 100 years. I can't say the same for Israel.
In about 30 years from now, the Americans could consider to ship AIPAC members back to Israel. They could serve the IDF on the Northern border with Lebanon, in order to fight well trained Hezbollah commando's? This enbales AIPAC members to become aware of the effects of their lunatic policies.
The problem is you are "helping yourself" to other people's land.
of all the freedoms and benefits of living in the USA.None of which were available in the Islamic paradises they left behind
oh, you mean US traitors like Jonathan Pollard
have to keep returning to Pollard proves the poverty of your case and how little you really care about the USA and ALL the others who have committed treason
Before you pursue this topic too far, can you guarantee US Jews when forced to make a choice between Israel and the US will choose the US?
Before you pursue this topic too far, can you guarantee US Jews when forced to make a choice between Israel and the US will choose the US?
israeli or israel does no wrong line....
We saw what occurred to the last Axis power. China, Turkey, and Iran you are fairly warned.
What a ridiculous comment....China is nowhere as strong as the US military in spite of its growing power: just look at the military spending figures. The US spends near 400 billion dollars, China around 60 billion (that's the revealed but the US believe the total would not exceed 100 billion in light of China's socioeconomic developmental programmes). Meanwhile, neither Iran nor Turkey is as militarily mighty as Israel- they are both paper tigers. Turkey has a large army (and so does Iran) but they still require external assistance to upgrade the quality of their military equipment. When some people compare a clown like Ahmadinejad to Hitler, and countries performing a simple military drill to Hitler and Mussolini (who had a much stronger alliance than that), it is simply frustrating. If I were you I'd worry about how Israel can best act to ensure peace in its territory to guarantee its long-term stability and prosperity
you think god is on your side? you think god has sanctioned the willful killing of children and women by israel? your country is drunk on it's fake power, you cannot win, even with the most powerful country in the world behind you, just give back the lands, YOU HAVE BEEN FAIRLY WARNED.
...threaten to attack. Why don't you bomb Teheran on your way to Beijing and do Ankara on the way back. Good luck, Chaim. I believe the world is moving in the right direction.
...threaten to attack. Why don't you bomb Teheran on your way to Beijing and do Ankara on the way back. Good luck, Chaim. I believe the world is moving in the right direction.
Is it Christmas already?
Chaim, you are misdirected with notions of Axis of Evil images. Most of the other responses recognise that the arrangements between nations change. The US has claimed - yes, often by default - world hegemony. This is changing.
Chaim, you are misdirected with notions of Axis of Evil images. Most of the other responses recognise that the arrangements between nations change. The US has claimed - yes, often by default - world hegemony. This is changing.
the Chinese are quaking in their boots now.
So you actually thought "axis of evil" was something anybody gives a wooden nickel about (instead of meaning, say, "peoplewhoselloilineurosinsteadofdollars")? Astonishing. Honestly, if Israel is ever stupid enough to try and battle China, Turkey and Iran today, even The States would hesitate to clearly take sides. One hint, what happens if you wage war on the ONLY truly friendly country in the region? Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of angry arabs and muslims who are simply too lazy to coalesce. If Israel wages war on Turkey (which is the definition of moderation when it comes to islam) I think it will take like fifteen minutes for the arab nations to unite. You really don't look too far away into the future do you?