Germany, France also request Israeli answers on Dubai fake passports

So many of you are making this ridiculous argument: 1) A man is murdered in Dubai 2) The Dubai authorities are, not unnaturally, conducting a murder investigation. After all, a man was murdered. 3) All the zionists jump up and down and shout "But! But! But! He was a terrorist!!!!" 4) You insist that BECAUSE you shouted out that mantra then the Dubai authorities should stop the investigation and close the book on this case. Funny, but the Dubai authorities don't appear to be quite so nonchalant when a murder is committed within their jurisdiction. Can't imagine why..... You *do* understand that the Dubai authorities fully intend to issue an arrest warrant for Dagan once their investigations are complete, don't you?

TP: "What`s missing is E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E about who ordered, planned and carried out the hit. The fact that five people who had their identities stolen are British-born Israelis doesn`t "prove" a damned thing." Riiiiiight. And if the Dubai authorities say tomorrow that they are issuing an arrest warrant for Dagan because they have collected More Than Enough Evidence to prove in court that he ordered this hit..... .... what then, Prophet? If I read you correctly then Israel would be honour-bound to hand over Dagan. After all, a murder DID take place in Dubai, and if the Dubai authorities say they can prove in court that Dagan ordered that murder then a criminal court is, indeed, the place where that evidence needs to be tested. And note this: the ONLY courts that have jurisdiction over this crime are in Dubai. Now, you tell me what reason Israel would have for not turning him over to the Dubai police to stand trial?

If Israel really did it, it was well done ! Exact ! So far there's no official proof that Israel did it... Fingers are pointing Israel because israeli intelligence is brighter than any other in the world !When American, Brits and French try something similar they always end up in a big mess ! Selecting perfect fake E.U passeports with or without foreign acceptance was better than using Russian, Azeri or Turkish passeports ! In the war of shadows, This was a check-mate ! Let's forget about this ''incident'' and let's work to improve world peace and harmony.

Dino Had you said¨Jews aren,t that smart''instead of 'Arabs aren,t that smart¨ , you would,ve been labeled as an Anti Semite. Anyway, remember that Jews are first cousins with the ''not smart Arabs' and most likely members of the same family can be similar in a lot of ways.

one x-police man did a famous crime in Dubai and he caught in similar way they start very fast to clear evidences one by one till they clear everything like very stupid crime..but it was stupid because it is already solved.. Mossad used wrong place to kill(do not do it in high profile cities) ,and send many people,they disappeared after the crime no they even use fake passports(100% confirmed).why they are Mossad.Because Dubai had known all Mafia groups around the world.Russian and Romanian. for me it is just a matter of time till Dubai will say the full story and really you will be amazing from the story.

How dumb -- or maybe just arrogant -- can the Israelis be? All they had to do was to use U.S. passports. The U.S. would not make a peep. Both Pres Bush and Obama have learned that Israel does not take orders from the U.S. but GIVES them. The current situation is unique in the history of the world.

Dutch government just fell last night over US request to stay in Afghanistan with troops (PvdA says no, CDA says yes). Geert Wilders could not have wished for more in his wildest dreams. Elections are coming april/may when he will be facing trial in court for 'incitement of hate towards Muslims' (due to his film Fitna). He does not even has to campaign, all his opponents already foolishly are doing that for him with blinders on for the effect of their actions on 'the common people in the streets'. Holland might get a PM or FM after elections who takes Lieberman, Ayalon and AIPAC as examples and inspiration (he often uses the word 'transfer' regarding criminal Young Dutch of Moroccan descent, that they have Dutch nationality does not seem to matter to him). Thinking now of emigrating to Obama land, I'll let you know when I expect you to send me that green card. Oh yeah, a job would be nice too but only if the pay is right of course (about 100 grand a year okay?). LOL.

There is no evidence in the public domain that Israel did this murder. Given the response the european governments who had their passports defrauded, it appears likely that the governments know something implicating Israel that has not been made public yet. There is no evidence now, but if Israel is responsibe for this, I hope that the EU as a whole will act against what would be Israels double standards on 'terrorism'. If Israel is innocent, I see know reason why they would not help the EU countries investigate what happened.

I'll be son of a lizard and eat my hat after reading your post. Never ever thought Israeli's would take the blame for murder in order to protect Europeans while allowing the Eurotrash to play their usefull double crossing game as well. Say, you ever considered writing spy novels, you kown, like Le Carre or Konsalik? I know a good publisher for you, it's called Conspiracy House. Their motto is: Reality beats fiction.

Israel who created Hamas and Israel who helped create Hezbollah by invading and occupying Lebanon and Israel will create enough enemies in the world including those who were considered allies for the last 60 years. Now they are embaracing the Gulf states, England, Germany, France, Ireland and more countries by disrespecting them and insulting them in the eyes of Moderate Arabs.As an Arab I do understand the geniune fear on the Israeli part, I heard the horror stories from my dear Jewish friends who I love dearly but I do not understand the mind set of the right wing nuts and the Settler's who will sacrifice the whole of Israel for the sake of giving another humanbeings the right to live. The Palestinians are humanbeings, The Israeli are humanbeings. WE need to treat both the same. Also the Arab need to be educated about the suffering of the Jews but we cannot do that as long as the right wing nuts continue to kill our children with Cluster bombs and 1000 pound bombs

Who exactly, from your opinon, are Israel`s key allies?

Oh no, a terrorist got killed. I'm really upset.

Dutch have believed for centuries the best way of dealing with minorities and unsatisfied parts of the population making problems is pacification: listen to them, compromise, meet them halfway, make sure they start feeling there is more to loose than to win by polarisation. It is not working anymore, polarisation is thriving and the PvdA is going the same way as the Israeli Labour party did, namely towards obscurity and irrelevance. Tehir reward for denying for 30 years there were problems with Muslims hostile to Dutch values, high crime rates amongst Muslim and other immigrant youth and so forth. Geert Wilders is symbolic for this developement, for the first time in centuries half of Dutch population see a man as savior who goes for polarisation, a so-called 'strong man'. His PVV may win elections, all the traditional power brokers are shaking on their foundations. Holland must re-invent itself again or become a torn country with hostile groups and cultures facing eachother or worse.

So if you were (existing in) the United Kingdom what would you do? Leave, lintwat if you had half a brain which you don't, so carry on "existing" there, for one doesn't live there you merely EXIST

iranian, palestinian, lebanese, chechen terrorists spread out to the cities of all continents.,to murder,.......the criminal figureheads of the terror in gaza, beirut, tehran are ordering hits all over the world.......why are these hamas and hezballah agents allowed to travel to dubai, riyadh..???? the diligent police chief is wasting his time,,he can guard the borders from hamas agents.... the ordinary iranian, palestinian people deserve freedom, from their terror leaders.

As I've pointed out,#223,it's an open secret that all sorts of fake papers can be bought on the Internet and anyone can find this. The assumption that Mossad carried out the Dubai carried out the Dubai killing because only Mossad could arrange the false passports is wishful thinking on the part of Israel's detractors. So far only Les Payne and myself have bothered to have a look and found out that the case against Mossad is just innuendo and insinuation.I can only suppose that this is too painful a truth for some;too inconvenient. By the way,it's on record that the Mumbai terrorists were provided with false papers by the Pakistan Secret Service.Drip,drip,the case against Israel dissolves. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

The Hamas man assassinated was an enemy of the state and one of the duties of ALL intelligence services is to deal with threats to the state and on some cases that involves assassinations. As for the passports all the major intelligence agencies forge passports and use them to carry out operations abroad. I am sure there are plenty of Mossad agents who regularly travel in and out of foreign countries including friendly states like the US & UK and nobody ever picks up on it. Israel has spies in friendly states following individuals who are considered possible threats so they are just kept an eye on by agents who came into the country with false visas and false passports. Thats how the system works.

To the benefit of all,lets terminate terror...is this hamas culprit a terrorist or not?

People are blaming the zionists, not the Jews. Can't you read? The number of operatives is part of the deception, and you are falling for it. PS. Nobody believes the superior ability of the Mossad.

Being from Ottawa is no excuse for stupidity. Being a zionist neither. Who benefits from this? Israel? Or at least so they believe. I take it that you believe in the virtu of forgiving? Ps Hareetz: how about your policy of not inciting hatred... against Europeans?

He's really Inspector Clousseau. Starts from his own prejudices and grimly hangs on, regardless of any evidence to the contrary. What's missing is E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E about who ordered, planned and carried out the hit. The fact that five people who had their identities stolen are British-born Israelis doesn't "prove" a damned thing. The only arrests made so far are 3 people named Ahmad Hasnin, Anwar Shekhaiber and Nahro Massoud. Don't sound like Israelis to me, but who knows who they were working for? Certainly not Linthwaite. As I have said in previous posts, Mabhouh had a line of enemies a mile long ready to do him in. More than one government organisation from more than one country could well have combined their efforts with each other (and with other organisations) in order to get the bastard. And why did Hamas send Mabhouh to Dubai, alone and unguarded, on a risky mission to buy arms illegally (yes, and using a fake passport)? Many questions. No answers.

Has Britain explained why British passport holders are jihadists,suicide bombers and attempted mass murderers on airlines? Have they given an undetaking that it will never happen again?

To 2. - EZ - take it easy okay. You are being anti-english by summarizing a whole people. There are some anti-semitic people there. People in England tend to be very vocal about their views, those type might just be more silent in the State. In England, as in the US, there are also a very large number of people who respect and have always respected Jewish people. Just because the anti-semites are loud, doesn't mean that is all England is about. Just because England's powers in the past raped the gold for world, doesn't mean the little powerless majority in England knew/agreed with it. It is WRONG to summarize a whole people. That is an insult to the sensitive and open-minded people who do actually live and breathe in England. An anti-semite just got fired there for her statements. You don't live there so don't insult a whole people before doing an actual scientific study that would prove you wrong.

Most of their past operations of the last 20 years,at least those that were suspected of being Mossad's format,never showed any duplicity.Don't ever expect Mossad to admit or deny this recent event.

Until the government denies them!

Does it matter whether Mossad did it? They get blamed for everything like this anyways. I'd think they'd be more efficient than to require 18 operatives to get one Arab terrorist. Should Mossad get to work protecting their enemies so that everytime one of them dies they don't get blamed for it? Maybe it was Mossad, but I refuse to do any of this instantly assuming the Jews did it stuff. Wouldn't Mossad be intelligent enough to send fewer operatives to leave less of a trail? The number of operatives is strange.

Do you suppose the US/CIA did it to keep Israel quiet about whacking Iran?

To send 17+ to kill one, clearly the guy WAS a "big shot". The question now is what was he up to? These photographs have been all over the world now for days. Why has no-one come forward and said I know that person...he/she was my next door neighbour, brother, sister, uncle, aunt etc? If they really were Israeli, somebody would have said something by now... surely? Yes why was he drugged first? If they just wanted him dead they could have shot him with a silenced weapon. Was he interrogated first? Is this why there were so many involved?

if anything those will be used by smugglers bringing in illegals. From what I have been reading, there is a lot going on in the Netherlands, the case of Geert Wilders is one. You have a lot more going on in your country then most people realize. I believe this is the first time in Dutch history that a MP is on trial. The PvdA is also having their share of problems with the Turks taking over. I also understand some of the parties are embarrassed by some of the campaign posters. It also seems the PVV is becoming very popular with the more conservative Dutch (nationalism?) Am I correct in any of this?

You are welcome to investigate the secret war in Pakistan. I don't deny it happening. But you may be surprised by some things, especially who is calling the targeting shots in some cases and who is taking them. I don't condone anything or defend the secret war there or in Yemen. Condoning and understanding are two different things. I started out explaining why Dubai might do an investigation of a murder. You started out defending why a murder should not be investigated. If somebody commits a murder in your country and then says, well, he was a terrorist, will you support squashing the investigation, especially if the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is suspected? Afterall, anybody called a terrorist must be one, right? That is your reasoning, NOT Mine.

I am not accusing, just saying there are two persons who have been caught and that is usually where the information lies. From what Info I can garner, they are in Jordan. Instead of railing, wait for the info they have. Just makes sense to me. I think there are some who are just protesting too loudly. Thanks for the Mea Culpa, it meant a lot. I wasn't able to get through and the thread was dropped.

A good yarn, and yet ... very possibly true, too!

Go ahead and point fingers. Very petty of you

If Interpol is so hot on enforcing the law then why are terrorists allowed to travel freely? And if the law is corrupt then why should it be honored? If Israel did this, you have to ask why this way and not via interpol and an arrest warrant. Probably the answer is that Israeli requests for murderers to be brought to trial are politely denied, followed by laughter and smirking when we leave the premises. Interpol and the West deserve more than Israel thumbing their nose at them for their failure to seriously limit movement of terrorists who attack Israel.

Perhaps Israel being used as a blunt tool by her allies in persuit of common goals isn't such a good idea. If they are going to hang you out to dry as the fall-guy who takes the "blame" for the less "battlefield" moments of this conflict, then you ensure survival in the short term plus whatever concessions, but you also now play into the hands of the Nationalist / neo-Liberal or Jihadist populations living in your ally countries, who are spreading their Jew-Hatred around their wider communities, and finding amongst the politically unaware, socially & educationally deprived, and attention/wealth/power seekers a mass of people willing boo the Jew. Media in these countries have relentlessly blamed Israel without evidence.

My previous comment was for Dr.Brnd in San Diego

And maybe poor Mossad really wasnt involved at all. Israel should protest. Somebody out there is intentionally setting up real Israelis as Mossad hit men.

Except for his first sentence. See my previous comment.

Maybe Jon is right. Mossad chose to implicate six Brits with double nationality. A veiled warning to Britain after its court inditements of Israeli politicians for war crimes during Cast Lead. Only British or Israeli intelligence could have traced the 6 names used, and nobody suspects the Brits of falsely flagging 6 of their own nationals as Mossad killers. There only other explanation for Mossad choosing to use real live Israelis as cover for its hit men is absolute and total incompetence.

But one wonders what passports were used by the Israeli agents at the time: genuine Israeli, fake Israeli, genuine stolen foreign, fake falsed foreign? Nobody gave a damn those days and nobody even had the slightest urge to ask. What has changed? Settlers in WB. Attrocities in Gaza.

Well, aren't you the can-do people and we the can-f***-*p people? Compromise: The Americans will ask the two Pals what happened and far more important, what was their motivation to assist Mossad in assassinating a brother 'freedom-fighter' and how they feel about Meshal and why that is. Then they inform us. We learn. BTW: This is really true; it was revealed in Holland two weeks ago that over the course of the last 10 years about 50.000 (fifty thousand!) still unnamed but fully printed and finished Dutch passports were stolen from the state manufactor (Johan Enschede en Zonen) that were supposed to be secured and guarded. I do not even dare to think Mossad. Before you know it our image switches from silly wooden shoes, tulips and windmills to alpha assassins and The foremost a-pack predators. I am praying it was the Italian or Dutch or Russian or Marsian or whatever maffia.

The EU should start a big project titled: "Let's all find ourselves back." First move: make Bradley Burston citizen of honour of the EU, whether he likes it or not. Project code name: Goldstone revised or Example One. Project aim: To enable Europe and Israel to find itselves back and remember the core what it is all about. European secret and hidden Project motivation: Israel may need Goldstone but we much more need ourselves to be like Goldstone. Project budget: whatever it takes to convince Israel it is love. Maybe guilt ridden, maybe though, but still love. Project side aim: make Meshal swallow soap.

France, Germany, Ireland... are Israel's key allies? since when?

...Israel dare not protest too too much...

The UK government hasn't played ball in preventing the UK judiary being expolited by the worlds terrorists and their accomplioces getting the UK to prevent issue of arrest warrants for tom dick or harry. If the UK government cannot play ball and the UK foreign secretary then don't expect the Israelis to play diplomatic niceties with the UK government.

is why make half an attempt to cover your tracks and then leave the other half uncovered. If six of the team were chosen by the supposed Mossad ID thieves as Israeli nationals and the other half as diverse Europeans what sense does it make if you should wish to remain anonymous and not have the finger pointed at Israel. Mathematically the odds point to Israel by 6:1 so overwhelming as to be unbelievable. Specially If you realise that Mossad may have have aquired a slightly subtle touch over the years. Only someone with a brash mind and perhaps a bit newer to the game would overplay the odds to this extent. This is probaly the carefully crafted but slightly flawed work of Al Quaida who for whatever reason decided to get rid of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh whilst placing Israel in the firing line. They have plenty of European recruits. The truth will out soon

I can't believe that the Mossad was involved - think of the logistics: If you were going to assassinate someone in a state that is hostile to you, why the hell would you use passports of people that would trace right back to Israel? It's almost insane to conduct operations in such a manner. If the Mossad did execute this operation, then the head of Mossad should be fired for incompetency, and then shipped off to Briton for his trial...

It dosen't matter who did it...but it is a shame that a medal of public recognition can not be given to these individuals for their heroic act.

I suggest you look up the word "survival". Then, sir, please look at a map of the Middle East. You will note that tiny Israel is surrounded by 300,000,000 hostile Arabs just waiting for a chance to attack Israel yet again. In such an atmosphere the military campaigns you named were not only desireable, but also necessary for survival in Israel's neighborhood. I would also ask you to look up the word "hippocrite" b/c that defines the UK government's criticism of Israel for killing the Hamas terrorist who was sworn to seek Israel's demise. The UK has thousands of troops in Afganistan focused on killing terrorists. Who are they to criticize Israel for doing the same thing, albeit on a much smaller scale.

You should better not use words you obviously don't understand...

Removing an inadverent witness of it ,the pal Mahtub(who had seen British and US weapons at an Iranian base from which he was getting his usual supply of missiles for Hamas) would certainly be in Bambi's administration interest ,lest the Congress would raise the hell about arming Iran .

I bet they also think that Hitler was right in killing Jews so no wonder that they don't accept Israel's right to exist.

One less Hamas thug for the long suffering jews to worry about!

If it's revealed that AIPAC was somehow involved with financing? Or even better, that it was responsible for contracting the hit? Oh well, just an interesting 'what if' to ponder.

http://gulfnews.com/gntv/news/the-murder-of-mahmoud-al-mabhouh-1.583880 Definitely a Mossad Act. Arabs aren't that smart. If they were they would have ruled the world.

Apologies for the miscommunication. You are correct. UAE and all other Arabs do not believe in such a country - the article is missing the "so called Israel' Shalom

You have to feel sorry for Europeans. At the moment they can no longer burn, gas or expel their Jews. The must feel impotent. So here we have an opportunity: a man who plans the murder of innocents is killed. The assassins may have used modified passports. This technique has been used by every intelligence agency in the world including that of England, France and Germany. But when Jews do it its a crime. Of course, there seems to be no evidence that the perpetrators of this justice were Israelis. No matter, it must have been the Jews. This is such good luck for Europeans...I bet they are loving it.

Mabhouh had gone rogue on his Palestinian sponsors and was operating a cell of suicide attackers for Al Qaida (but maybe Hezbollah/Iran) to stage a massive attack on the tennis championships in Dubai - goal: to kill Israeli star Shahar Peer and hundreds of EU, US and Arab spectators, igniting a regional war and terminaly destabilizing Dubai as a commerce center. The plans were detected last year, but plot couldn't be disrupted in time, so Peer was disinvited from the 2009 Dubai event to play it safe. This year, the world community stakeholders promised to protect Dubai, and did. What you see is exactly what happened - MASSIVE international cooperation, many players. Discrete. Mabhouh dead. Silence from Abbas and the USA. Indignent "protests" from EU with Israel silently taking the heat (and the credit) as its part. And Mabhouh's suicide team? Anonimously feeding the fishes of the Gulf. Not convinced? Well, its a more credible scenario than what is being fed to the public!

why not ask the two Palestinians that were arrested? Makes much more sense then asking the Israelis. All this innuendo and zero facts.

... it's not like there is much room for it to fall any further. And by publicly demanding answers from Israel, the European countries involved ensure that there is no damage to their reputation and security. And of course Israel was at least involved in this bungled action. If there a good chance of being able to plausibly deny involvement, the Israeli government would do that. And if they really weren't involved, why on Earth wouldn't they? Saying "I (personally) did not know" and "There is nothing to connect Israel with this" is not the same as saying things like "No employee of the state of Israel took part in this assassination as". In the language of diplomacy, such non-denial denials are as close as you get to outright admission of culpability.

If it was a Mossad hit- so what? We are talking about a known terrorist, rigth? Is the world a safer place? maybe. Do I prefer this than all all out war and with phospourous bombs on kids? yes!!!! What Im concerned about is the use of british Identiites and passports ( Im a Brit).I am more afraid of british goverment than Mossad!They are completely useless and retarded! This is what you get when you vote for a bunch of Opportunist- Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and Labour goverment here. They hv truly taken our rigths away.At least US and Israel will always stand by their citizens. UK will leave you to rot! Look at the British couple being held by Somali pirates! it beggars belief!!! I dont always support Israel's policies, but I understand what steps must be taken to ensure security. What I would like to see sometimes, is a bit, just a bit of restraint by Israeli gov, sometimes soft power, is all it takes.

What does that have to do with it? Do you seriously think riding this train will get you anywhere and justify everything? Glad you're making that point because now you're starting to make yourself utterly ridiculous.

Two Hamas agents were also involved in the assassination and have been arrested already. Does that mean Mossad and Hamas work together from time to time and if so why is Gilad Shalit still in shackles?

The UAE does not recognize Israel's existance, so how can it be that they are blaming it?

The real question is why does the world allow dubai and others to openly harbor murderers and terrorists even self admitted murderers?? Where is the out cry.? The self righteous europeans whose gov'ts funds anti Israel ngos should clean up their own acts first

they rather risk assasination than live in a refugee camp

Watching Wolfee now. Not one of his top stories that's for sure. Always has been blatantly biased and as such a disgrace to his profession.

If and I repeat if, which of course we will never know......... Israeli security services have used with consent or without consent the passports of residents of Israel jew or non jew who have dual nationality, they have betrayed the trust of their own citzens....... The outcome of which could be considerable in the manner of response in which Mossad or other agencies request the assistance of `foreign` passport holders to copy or use in any manner documents that will put these citzens at possible high risk..... Unfortunately whatever is denied by Israel will be seen most of all as an act of treachery by those who possibly felt that they were in some way knowingly or unknowingly, if they had not been `aproached` helping the state of Israel... These people will be the real victims of this debacle......... Once again Israel and it does appear to be has made a full blown shambles in this `Hit` of which I approve by the way, but not at the cost of innocent citzens of Israel

Who needs proof when Israel is concerned? The Jews did it. That's all I hear on this page. Some schmuck throws out an accusal and all the other schmucks jump in.

...when it appears that jews killed a terrorist outrage emerges in the nations that slaughtered jews for 2000 years. Identity theft is more important than jewish lives. Why wasn't the terrorist on interpols list as his assasins now are. The murder of the terrorist should be celebrated.

This is not the first time that British identity was used for killing. At the end of WW2 a group called Nakam (avenge in Hebrew) carried out executions of Germans wearing British army uniforms.

The Mahtub guy who deals in transferring weapons from Iran to pals gets wind about it through his Iranian weapon connections... He might try telling Brits " I want a piece of action too " and they're afraid he might disclose they're arming Iran while outwardly professing trying to stop its nucler quest.

Congratulations to whomever took out the murderer. However, it seems Britain dared to use and abuse identities of people living in Israel. I demand Britain be brought before a public tribunal to answer pertinent questions.

trying to connect Israel so they have someone else to blame.

No need to explain that stench of hypocrisy in the air when you come up with that one is there? I'll take your lack of justification as an admission that you don't have a good reason for critising Israel for doing something that the US does daily. Well you do have a good reason but it's not one you want to confess to.

and came up with a doozy: http://www.passports4sale.com/ and there are dozens more like this.

Claims by EZ that Britian has a long history of Anti-Semitism are based on ignorance and a rush to justify unlawful behaviour. Our foreign secretary is Jewish as is our secretary for state. Espousing views like yours are as repellent as Anti-Semitism. Time to grow up!

Are you that naive? Actually all countries would do that (and did). Have you forgotten the ex-kgb agent poisoned to death in London?

This not the first time that British identity was stolen. A group calling themselves Nakam (avenge in hebrew) carried out killings of Germen soldiers at end of the WW2. The killings took place after the soldiers surrenderd. The Nakam gang wore British army uniforms whilst the executions took place.

Germany long ago forfeited the right to request ANYTHING of Israel. They should just keep their mouths shut and go along with Israel's "program," whatever that might be.

This clearly was a very well prepared and organized terrorist act. The only thing, what the masterminds of this terror act obviously did not take into account, is the fact, that Dubai seems to be a state, that is very good prepared to deal with terrorists.

Not that I give a rat's ass for the offing of a terrorist but Israel had every reason to NOT kill this guy at this time. Radicals all over the region had every reason since lately Israeli-Gulf relations are warming and all seem to be joining against the Iranian axis. It seems to me that to kill someone and blame Israel might be a good way (in the sick moinds of terrorists) to stop that warming in its tracks and destroy the alliances against Iran. Hummmm, just a thought. Also, I doubt the operation would have been so totally botched had Israel done it and they certainly wouldn't have done it while an Israeli official was visiting Dubai. It makes no sense whatso ever.

Release Marwan Baghuti and take out Mabhouh . Two for the price of one . The PA has finished its role with the present players , (Dead End ) Natanyahu did the same mistake with Khalid Meshal and King Husein intervened , dont you see the similarities guys !?!History repeats itself .

Now that is news. The BS is piling up faster than we read. Credit Cards..! We will need a few spades, before we get well covered in this Nights of Arabia Fantasy/Circus. By the way, I love this retinal biometric BS. Some locals here, who have traveled to Dubai, recently using Swiss and EU passports where met by some tired looking passport control fellow whose only question was,"How long are you staying"? Good night.

... And then I'd get angry, but the way the UK and now some EU states have acted is the issue of contention. I am glad we agree on the killing of the terrorist, but, do you believe that it is right to just assume it was Israel without any proof? In democracy you are innocent until proven guilty, in the world democracy, if you are Israel you are always guilty until proven innocent, perhaps you understand now why many Israelis and Jews who support Israel often have disdain for many world organizations and governments. Or do you think the way this situation has been handled is fair and objective? Would you like to be treated this way? to be accussed of a crime without any proof laid before you?

Let us not forget who created Hamas in the first place. It was Israel's Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks who wanted to divide the Palestinian people against the PLO and in doing so created Hamas.

Obviously the Israel bashers [Chris et al] don't. The mere sugestion of Mossad involvment opened the gates and the crap spewed out. Guilty as suggested, implied, inferred or just being a Jew. Chris, aren't you glad you converted out? This way you will never be guilty.

or a chook raffle?

that killed 6M innocent jews? Was it not Germany in Munich 72 that facilitated thru negligence killing of the Jewish Olimpic team? What insolense!

The British are lions when it comes to anything Iranian, but lambs when it comes to Israel, even if it misuses their passports. Watch the British cave in on that one!

Soil your underpants?

I've just done the obvious thing and Googled 'false passports' and there are any number of Internet sites buying and selling them for any country. And if you go to this site: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4467097.ece you'll read about Islamic terrorists going to a mosque in North London to get false papers of all sorts for several countries. Looks to me that the imagined finger pointing at Mossad and Israel is a bit shaky. The claim that it must have been Mossad because only they could arrange the false passports is shown to be nonsense.This is a case of innuendo and insinuation converting an unjustified charge by a hostile Dubai policeman into accepted fact in the public perception. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

...a Hamas head honcho was taken out - Khallas. Who the heck cares who did it? I'll take the credit if it makes anyone feel better.

What is the hype all about??? good riddence to a lowly terrorist. The world is a safer place without this garbage. Also, THANK YOU to whoever did it, you deserve our appreciation.

The killing of the terrorist is not the issue. The issue is that Israel used forged passports of Ireland, United Kingdom, France and Germany in doing so. Thus endangering the citizens of those countries when they travel abroad on legitimate business, and in the case of the United Kingdom despite assurances that they would not do so. So if you were the United Kingdom what would you do?

In response to this issue, it is being now being confirmed that Bibi is planning a new military offensive. Is anyone surprised by this? (don't worry about state secrets being revealed, this will never get past the military censors)

Don't ask us, ask the assassins when you catch them.

Whoever did it deserves a "MEDAL"

Keep dreaming man.

Everyone likes people who steal their credit card numbers. That's what I do to get along with the neighbors myself. GOOD move.

Passports from many contries where stolen - does that mean these countries are suspects too? I will wait until there is evidence or if someone finally takes responisibility. Hamas has many enemies and subscribes to suicide operations (this could be one them too). Its very convenient that when Israel needs the worlds understanding, especially if it feels it has no choice but to strike Iran`s nukes something like this would come up to only put pressure on Israel not to take any other military action. It strikes me as a set up - but without facts and evidence I can not be certain.

that there is a Jewish State. How quick some people forget?

http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-facts-that-are-bullshit_p1.html If you read carefully - you will see how USA did NOT save anyone, and in fact how Russia was the deciding factor. Learn history before you try quoting it.

by your definition, this is state sponsored terrorism because the person in question is an 'innocent civilian' until proven guilty in a court of justice.

Maybe when you are sitting in the USA there you don't hear it but there is STILL a lot of fallout about that state killing. It went on for months and there is still animosity. Get your facts right. The UK takes a hard line with this ABUSE of diplomatic privilege.

secrets

Typical Israel government. When have they ever play by the rules? So arrogant that they think they can get away with everything. Reminds me of the Republicans if the USA.

The only problem with all these "someone else did it to make Israel look bad" theories, is how would these unknown others know that these residents of Israel actually held British passports? Unless you are asserting that Britain actually planned and carried this out.

I sure hope they will pay their bills. Our banks have been ripped off enough already!

Wow. You guys on this site have serious issues. You think all the other countries in the world are against you. You act like you are the victim then stand up as if you are above everyone else. IF - I said IF - Israel is involved, it is NOT above JUSTICE. Murder is wrong - especially when you are cowardly and frame other countries citizens for it! I have no problem with any race or religion, but some here seem to be doing their best to make people hate them. Is that how you like it or something?

biz as usual

"Seems these identities were stolen from English Countries" The above statement is absurd: Ireland, France and Germany (as well as half of Britain) are not English countries. Incidentally the developments are getting much more coverage on the British broadcast media than on the Irish channels.

It's pretty straightforward why Israel would't cooperate with an investigation, even if they actually didn't commit the killing 1) Why cooperate with an investigation led by a country that doesn't even recognize your existence? 2) Why cooperate if there's even the slightest possibilty that you may endanger your agents or future operations? This is why they currently have the policy of ambiguity. 3) There's little chance this will affect european ties in the long term anyway. European Leaders understand full well that their own agencies operate the same way, using similar methods. It is in our common interests to keep ties warm.

Most of the secret agencies use false IDs while carrying out their secret activities including assasinations ... So there is no need to blame Israel for something that your own countries are doing in secret.

Right now only Palestinians are arrested and it seems more likely this was infighting between Fatah and Hamas. At least it seems more likely than Israel being involved. Or is it possible that Mossad and Fatah jointly did this? I would say, it's possible. If Israel is involved...and we don't know at this point...then Fatah was in on it, gave prior approval and actively participated in the killings. So any warrants issued against any Mossad chief should also be leveled at Fatah leaders. Doesn't anyone find it bizarre that with two Palestinians(Fatah members) being the only arrested suspects, that only Israel is being blamed? Nobody has blamed the Palestinians even though two...maybe three...are being questioned now.

But is it really possible being so stupid?

"Meanwhile, the web of countries allegedly involved in the January assassination of Hamas strongman Mahmoud al-Mabhouh continues to grow as the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that Dubai authorities are looking into five U.S.-issued credit card accounts suspected to have been used by the alleged assassins." This is the last dot in the circle that will now look completed.It will surely lead to the assassins and their masters. No question.

Balfour is owed a lot of appreciation, but thanking him would insult the Brits today as it has done since 1920.

Absolute Swede:"Britain is like a thief who yells"Cath the thief! " in order to deflect attention from himself." Hey swede you have a point worth looking into,According to a Dubai "source" of The Independent ? the security forces of the aforesaid emirate informed a "British diplomat" in Dubai (presumably the consul)of the UK passport details almost six days ago and "did not receive an appropriate reply". If this is true ? the Foreign Office will be wrathful in its denials ? then why didn't the British immediately express their outrage at the use of forged British passports and cough up details of the equally outrageous frauds a week ago?

In 1988, Fatah's No. 2, Khalil Wazir (Abu Jihad), was assassinated in Tunis and, two years later, Canadian ballistics scientist Gerald Bull was killed in Brussels. Dr. Bull was developing a super-sized cannon for Iraq, capable of striking Israel. More recently, Israel targeted and killed Fathi Shkaki, the leader of Islamic Jihad, in Malta in 1995; attempted to assassinate a leading Hamas figure, Khaled Meshaal, in Jordan in 1997; and is widely believed to have blown up Imad Mugniyah, a leading Hezbollah figure, in Damascus in 2008.

Killing 1 terrorist is an assassination (if he is famous) or just a murder if he isn't. Killing innocent civilians, bystanders, inflicting terror into the hearts and minds of the masses is terrorism, and if conducted by the agents of a government it is state sponsored. You asked and you have been answered. Now you know better than to use words and expressions that you don't understand.

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send me to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Neither can we call this a begging for misery or a borrowing of misery, as though we are not miserable enough of ourselves, but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbours." (John Donne Mediation XV11)

now people of the world have the pictures of these 11 terrorists; it is important to have our Israeli friends to identify them by name and address to be brought justice.

Why UK and Ireland want answer from Israel is understandable: their passoprts were used. But why France? Shouldn't Israel demand from France to answer why assasins used fake British and Irish passports as well?

...without any hard evidence slanders another neutral country? Prints liabelous responses that pressupposses Israel's guilt without any evidence regarding its involvement. You make a point, but your point is nothing without proof, I make a point and my point holds weight becuase your point lacks proof. Or is it ok because its Israel? in which case can Israel say, Iran has WMDs and Bush and Blair will send the troops in? Was War in Iraq justified because it was based faulty and or lack of information? and if so then I guess the current treatment Israel is receving from your country, England France and others is justified. Or is it ok because you are talking about Israel who should be judged by a different standard.

People don't like trouble makers. Israel: Stop it. Stop it! Stop It. Enough is enough. We want to hear good stories and not killing. Learn how to live in peace! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!

I am wondering who else but the Mossad is able to obtain all the information of the people who live in Israel with dual citizenships? It's critical mistake if they have done so, and it's a bigger one if any one else but them have done so.

When has the Republic of Ireland ever spied on anyone or forged passports? They are a neutral country whose soldiers are not allowed to leave their country unless authorized as peacekeepers by the UN security council. Get your facts straight.

Hardly the first scenario of its kind of Israel endangering the lives of other nationals (now even their own binationals). In 2005, the governments of New Zealand and Australia demanded apologies for their agents endangering the lives of their citizens by Israeli agents using their passports for covert operations. It is criminal, Israel is involved and the UK, Eire and France should hold Mosad accountable by issuing an arrest warrant for Dagan. Of course, the Israeli Foreign Ministry is already working on a plan to discedit those who they know have the proof to implecate Israel. You got it: anti-semitism, bias against poor Israel just out to protect its security. International gangsterism is not security and it is time to level very strong punitive actions a government that engagaes in state terrorism.

Words such as moral indignation, non justification, outrage all readily spring to mind. However, what are the alternatives. Is Israel to stand idly by and allow those who promote terror and pose a threat to her very existence move around the world uhindered and unchallenged (I do not see Israel's allies busting a gut to support her endeavours.) and await an inevitable and costly conflict or, should she seek to defuse such possibilities when opportunities arise even at the risk of sometimes scoring a diplomatic own goal?

Wow, talk about biting the hand you. Israel will keep alienating those who helped until it is cut off. I certainly hope sooner rather later as the whole world is on a collision path with each other and the beneficiary so far is Israel.

I can understand the need for these countries to make the appropriate noises about forged passports, but are we really supposed to believe that the British, French, and - well, every intelligence agency in the world -does not use fake passports?! Enough already!

This is a story about an investigation in Dubai, not Pakistan. Try to focus on the story at hand, not a new one. I don't need reasons for not investigating any murder. Any murder should have an investigation, not only a justification. If you of Haaretz wants to investigate something in Pakistan, you're welcome to. This is about Dubai, however.

If Israel has nothing to hide, then there should be no problems with Israel cooperating fully, honestly, openly, and completely. Israel shouldn't make the same mistake of stonewalling that was made with the Goldstone report.

As you reap, so shall you sow.

If Israel is to convince the world that it is innocent in this matter then it needs to say so. The ambiguity policy is not working. If someone else is trying to frame Israel then Israel,and Mossad in particular need to find some convincing evidence to prove it. This could very well go to the International Criminal Court or a UN Tribunal.

The Mossad are not stupid...they think things out very clearly first and would never put Israel or Israelis or for that matter innocent civilians anywhere in jeopardy........case closed!!!

What kind of country sends its citizens abroad to kill and illegally uses the passports of neutral countries? What kind of justice and political system thinks that this conduct is ok? Wake up. It is not acceptable

such a storm being raised when Russia killed its agent in England. No proof yet that Israel was involved. Even if it was, she should be congratulated that such a person was killed.

Lets see what happens in the coming days. Personally I think that the key to tying Israel with the killing in Dubai is what happened in Austria. And we now have a money trail. Lets see what happens in the coming days.

I note that a story in today's edition of a rival, Jerusalem, English language newspaper is very complimentary of the manner in which the planners of the Dubai killing went to elaborate lengths to ensure that the named Israeli residents, whose identities were used, would not have to take the rap. This was done by using different second given names, and changing dates of birth. I think that the Fatah - Iranian - Hammas murderers who have been accused of carrying out the killing, on this Talkback, were very considerate for the safety of these Israeli residents. I don't know what arrangements they made for the safety of legitimate Irish passport holders whose serial numbers were used. However they almost certainly were not Jews, which may or may not have been of interest to the said planners.

It is time for Israel to point out this global hypocrisy as media pretends some injustice needs correction, or only Israel uses secret services and tactics to take out enemy state sponsored threats from: evil governments, businesses, criminals, assasins, etc. Thank you whoever kills clever killers that cannot be caught because they have the deceptions and resources of hostile governments behind them. The are part of modern (and ancient) undeclared warefare.

"Israel slides further down that slippery slope of mendacity and lack of world respect" How exactly did this slide occur? By assassinating it's enemies on foreign soil? This is commonplace amongst western nations, so this faux outrage is all the more comical. For God sakes man, your own super liberal president just a month ago said on national TV, during his State of the Union address, that the US will continue to hunt down and KILL al Qaeda operatives, anywhere- in pakistan, yemen, afghanistan, iraq, somalia, etcc. Do you think the UAV predators flying around 24/7 over pakistan are dropping sweets? I don't think there's anyone on this forum who can intelligently articulate a difference between alleged Mossad killings in Dubai and the daily killings of al qaeda members by missile attack from UAV predators- AND yet, despite this, the Europeans simply adore Obama and award him the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE (!!!!) In short, your criticisms are not consistent, reliable, or valid.

Things just doesn't add up here - 1) With number of "assassins" 17 and growing, meaning twice as many at home doing the planning/intel, this was an "Entebbe"-sized operation, just to kill a guy who was a big shot, but not THAT big of a shot; doesn't make logical sense. No James Bond stuff, no bodyguards, guy reserved flights/hotels under his own name. 2) So Mabhouh arranged Gaza arms shipping from Iran - anybody can charter Liberian freighters, finance not an issue (Iran sends arms for free), and its not like he had to inspect the goods to make sure it was all MILSPEC, etc., just a middle man, easily replaced. So much effort for cog in the machine? Why now? 3. So a lot more here that we don't see - was real goal to interrogate him using sophisticated drugs? Fear he planned to spill info that would have been devastating to certain governments? Was he a double or triple agent, maybe about to flip on his handlers? Is making Israel the obvious fall guy a tactic in some bigger intrigue?

Hamas just has to make a claim and that is enough proof for most.

Reading some of these, people are in denial and have a serious persecution complex. Some even try to blame the UK/ EU or to call people in the EU anti-semite. This has nothing to do with anti-semitism and everything to do with not abusing other states to achieve violent aims. IF Mossad used EU passports to kill then a big apology is in order. IF NOT, then noone rational here will blame Israel.

You might be right as to the 5 British passports, but what about the other pasports? It suggests it was an internatinoal team done with the approval of all of those nations to undercut Iran's 'kingpin' arms connection with Hamas. that Israel would be subject to public oprobrium is of no new consequence.

i wounder what is happeining with dubai?? why are they harboring and abating terorists? this terorist who was dispatched to allah for some reson felt very comfortable in dubai. as he had no body guards etc... why isnt anyone asking how is it that dubai can get away with that? why is the world up in arms that a terorist was killed???

Yes it is as it unmasked the face of israel. The guy was unarmed unprotected in his hotel room. He served time in israeli jail for his past deeds and was let go. Netanyahu's name should be added to the 11 assasins as he gave the go ahead while watching the Dubai open waiting to see if there will be a "special report" about the mission accomplished. Cold blooded killing that took 11 to execute in a mess and now it is being baled on Iran,UK and martians. How come that those killers had a U.S. credit card? why do they want to involve my country? We want the FBI to investigate as well.

Britain was the first and as of this day the only country in the world to have had a jew for prime minister, try to find out who was Benjamin d'Israeli or Lord Biconsfield. PS- of course, Israel too has jewish prime minister for your information

the only assassin was al-mabhouh. his blessed executioners are righters of wrongs.

Like Chris Linthwaite (bow to the master), I would like to look at the logical possibilities. 1) Israel is indeed behind the assassination. In that case we don't really expect her to cooperate with the investigation. But will she be able to block it? I have my doubts. 2) Israel is not behind the assassination, and will cooperate with the investigation. In that case she should be able to clear it up pretty quickly. 3) Israel is not behind the assassination (neither directly not indirectly), but will not cooperate with the investigation. Why? Natural arrogance? To judge from the talkbacks, that's the possibility they support. To most of the rest of us, Israel would be suicidally crazy to do that. 4) The assassination was carried out by Israeli agents, but not authorised by their commanders. That's a tricky one. Anyone got other possibilities they would like to discuss?

I just love some of these intelligent answers ! It shows how the grey matter is functioning ! My concern is why doesn't the world haul EVERY TERRORISTS into court? This would evd this senseless killing ! I'll tell you why ... they are priming the world for a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT ... for the microchip implantation under everyone's skin- right hand or forehead with the mark of satan- the beast 666. All this is terrorism is paving the way .. preparing the world atmosphere of FEAR, HOPELESSNESS & TERROR to except this mark. This indicates the world's EVIL anti-Christ Messiah is soon to be revealed, YESHUA the ONE & ONLY TRUE MESSIAH foretold of these days in the Holy Bible. It is quite clear which people have applied for the job !

No matter where the truth lies Israel must immediately and unequivocally deny responsibility for the action. Otherwise Israel will suffer enormous repercussions. DENY DENY DENY. DON'T WAIT.

Ok here is the list of accomplishment Israel: 1- 2006 war in Lebanon: the Goal was to remove Hizbullah and kill HN (which was compared to OBL) -- Huge mess and failed Ops 2- Gaza War: Goal was to eliminate the Hamas Govt -- Failed Ops and made Israel look like bunch of criminals and in fact resulted in the Goldstone report which made Israel look even worse in addition, the Operation was a huge failure and made Hamas more stronger. 3- Turkey Relations went bad because of the Gaza war and to add oil to the fire; Israels FM move to humilate Turkey's ambassador made Israel look even worse and resulted in an apology that only humilated Israel. 4-Mabhouh Assassination in Dubai; dumbest thing ever and only made your Mossad look as dumb as ever. Keep up the good work!

It really has little bearing on this but since you wanted to bring it up, and judging by your post as a way to shed negative light on Israel, how about we discuss the incident and compare it. USS liberty - naval research ship, IAF destroyed in 67. inquiries by USA and Israel agreed it was an accident caused by confusing the identity of the ship, unfortunately that does not undo the loss of 37 noble US citizens. USS liberty is the ONLY incident that was NEVER CONGRESSIONALLY examined. Seems like the representatives of the American people felt pretty confident that the event was not an act of war against the USA. Now should this be compared to attack by Muslims against the USA using a similar langauge as you did for the purpose of making people against Muslims? NO, WE SHOULD NEVER DO THIS, TO ANY PERSONS or GROUP AS IT DESTROYS DEMOCRACY. STANDING UP FOR ALL PERSONS AND GROUPS WHEN FACED WITH IGNORANT ASSHOLES LIKE SAMOS IS DUTY, I LOVE USA IS WHY I WRITE, YOU ARE MY NEIGHBOUR

With all the findings (ie) (Irish, UK, German, and French passports, Austrian cell phones, U.S credit cards) and most likely later will find out where the assassination equipments got bought from and may be what country were manufactured at. all this, and got easily traced by a small tiny country. well Mossad, you are James Bond no more.

I see that Israels ambassador to Irelan has been summend to the foreign office in Dublin. My govt should immediatly expel him and cut diplomatic relations with the terrorist state of Israel. Israel has to be made pay for this murder.

just curious.....seems this man was key in illegally shipping weapons from iran to the gaza strip. Maybe Iran had a motive? :-)

Britain antisemitic? Britain took in 10000 jewish children in the "Kindertransport" programme 1938-1939 whilst the rest of the World including the USA did hardly anything.Our foreign minister who was born jewish himself and I also agreee that we in the UK have a right to know that when we go to Israel that our passport identity information is not stolen from us !!!!

Israel as Netenyahu himself declared somewhat loosely... Case closed.

Orchestrating hits on Taliban in Afganistan, without stealing and forging identity of a supposedly friendly country.

This is starting to resemble the Dreyfus incident.

Since when is Israel beholden to the UK or Ireland? What the UK FM needs badly is a proctological exam.

down that slippery slope of mendacity and lack of world respect! At least it's only sinking our ships and machine gunning our crews so far [USS LIBERTY anyone?]

What really happened to al-Mabhouh? Who did the autopsy on his body? Why were there so many different explanations about how he died? What happened to the blond knocking on his door? Why were the Dubai immigration officials so incompetent as to not be able to recognize false passports, especially since it was reported that many of those passports had less numbers or different kinds of sequences than real ones? Is this guy really dead? Could this whole story have been made up by the Dubai police? Or what?

First Turkey then Syria and Lebanon and now the UK France and Ireland. Does Israel wishto antagonise everyone apart from it's traditional enemies? What about the peace process Dead as a dodo!

Lenny Bruce was a Zionist! "zionist have morer denial per capita than any other people in the world...cause you know you are guilty and dont want to take the blame...`if you cant do the time dont do the crime` (lenny bruce)"

"It seems this is a concept many Israelis and Israel firsters are finding very hard to get their heads round." That's because it makes absolutely no sense for Mossad to steal it's own resident's ( even if not citizens) passports. Mossad is still the premier intelligence agency in this world, and that's because they don't do amateur. Operations such as these take months or years of planning, So I ask you, Chris : Can you be levelheaded enough to admit that the mistakes made in this operation are beneath the level of expertise of Mossad? The same mossad that only 2 years ago eliminated Imad Mughniyeh without a trace of evidence leading back to Israel, or that detected Syria's reactor and destroyed it, or that obliterated a convoy of weapon-carrying trucks 1000 miles away in the african desert in the middle of the night? Again, Mossad doesn't do amateur. If you can't bark with the big dogs, get off the porch.

Non if the Israelis will shed a single tear . The problem is the unprofessional way the issue was handeled. This is the second time Nathanyahu is blowing up the job. he should ask Ayalon to handle the public relation issue. He is such a brilliant person like his bosses.

They never have and never will. They are only good for demanding cooperation.

True, Arabs are strict about their image then why did they abandon their Refugees, the Arabs who call themselves 'Palestinians'? These people can be very dangerous no matter to whom, look at Mahboud for instance and the trouble he has caused, alive or even dead.

It's quite funny to see how people, countries worldwide see Israel as the bully of the region. Because of this sloppy assissination things will even get worse. In Europe we all know it's always Israel to blame. It's not something we choose. No, it's all about getting the facts straight. Once I read a Jewish article about 'arrogance and being a Jew' and that arrogance will be your fall into an endless abyss. History will eventually repeat itself. Being tough as hell will not change a single thing. It didn't help real great nations in history. Be patient and you'll see.

They used the passports of dual nationals living in Israel because they could be certain that none of those individuals were in Dubai on the day of the hit. If they had copied the passport of a Briton living in the UK or elsewhere there was no guarantee that he or she would not visit Dubai when the arrival of someone using the same passport would have rang alarm bells.

So the United Kingdom should just ignore the fact that Israel has used forged British passports because to object is anti semitic. Regardless of the risk that this action by Israel has caused to British nationals on legitimate business. Pathetic excuse and shows just how desperate Israelis and israel firsters are becoming. Desperate to deflect criticism, not wanting an investigation, objecting to British objections we are now tarred with the anti semitism brush in a last desperate last ditch attempt to shut us up. Not going to work I'm afraid. In 1987 Israel assured us they would not misuse British Passports again after previously being caught using forged British Passports This calls for a severe response with serious ramifications for Israel.

anyone that want to live in Israel revoke the second country passport! simple They do not need You live in Israel used Israeli passport!!! Let see who passport Mossad will steal

Is to keep it's head down and lay low and let it blow over. Not sure if it is going to work. Lieberman is in Brussels on Monday alongside the French, German, Irish and british foreign ministers. That should be an interesting day out for him. I wonder if he'll be able to hold his tongue or whether he will put his and Israel's cokllective foot in it. As I keep saying, the investigation in Austria is the key if Israelis can be linked to the sim cards in Austria that will be the real game changer.

Much racism is based on Ignorance, that I'll agree with you. Anti-semitims is more founded on some primordial hatred that has raised its head again and again for 2000 years. Probably has something to do with the Christians blaming the Jews for Jesus' death. And you claim it only dates from the ninteenth century? I guess you've never heard of the spanish inquisition.

the Dubai authorities knew all beforehand about what is going to happen and how and by whom. they did nothing about it because they wanted to get reed of a very undesired person. perhaps even hamas was in the plot because smugling arms is a very fishy businness as are people in it. putting it all on Israel was a very clever thing to do, every one (almost) is ready, now adays , to through every thing on this un fortunate state.

"In some ways the more extremist elements that we see today in Israel are a symptom of the frustration of those 30 years of peace not having being achieved and the many years of suicide bombings. These things tend to harden peoples opinions." I can understand that, but surely that then puts even more onus on Jews outside Israel who have not had such personal experience of all this, to act as a moderating influence. Also, another quick question. You're obviously a decent person but don't you think Arabs in Israel should have the same treatment that you receive in Britain? I mean I regard Jewish Brits as every much a part of the British people as I am. My family's probably been here thousands of years, but we're all immigrants in the end and one of teh great things about Britain is immigration that's built the complex, exciting society we have. But because Zionists want Israel as The Jewish state, Arabs are discriminated against in housing, immigration, public funding etc.

You seem to be rather ignorant of the British and anti-Semitism for that matter. Anti-Semitism predates the Nazis; it dates from the nineteenth century when Jews were identified as a race rather than a religion. Discrimination against Jews has gone on in England for much longer. Rather than a sickness I would have said that anti-Semitism, like all racism, is based on ignorance.

He was 99% sure it was other Arabs. Maybe tomorrow he'll be 99% it was the Space Lizards.

Straight from the horse's mouth. This is coming from you?!?! The one who's always jumping to the conclusion that Israel is ofcourse innocent of everything and its outrageous for it to even be questioned. YOU blame the Arabs, the Americans, The Europeans.... anyone BUT Israel and in every article ever written here. I have to say though you're pretty skilled in making your points always to your convenience. Cipora, whether its you or the Arab version of you on the otherside of the spectrum, you're only good in playing the laywer game, where Israel is only but a victim. You're not actually trying to seek truth and be a fair and moral person, you're just a classic case of 'my country right or wrong'. You're driven by narrow-minded ideology not by universal values.

It is clear that the Dubai police are far more intelligent than the murderers, and French and British police, as within 24 hours after they found a guy, in a chained and locked hotel room, apparently dead from natural causes, they had figured out that a murder had been committed, and they had videos and photos of the whole gang, and a time line on the crime. It is ironic, that within 24 hours, the Dubai police had enough evidence to convict anyone except O.J. Simpson, and the French and Britsh police cannot evfigure out what happened on their end. If the French and British police were competent, considering that the Dubai police handed them names, dates, times, pictures, flight schedules, etc. they should have been able to identify and arrest the murderers and their accomplics within hours. As the French and British passports cannot be trusted, and quickly and securely verified, no doubt international businesses and hotels will begin to take a very close look at people with French and British passports. Also it is likely that other criminals will exploit the weaknesses of the French and British passport systems, to fly around the world, cash bad checks, make phony business deals, and run up huge travel, hotel, and Visa bills, etc.

I agree that the Israel of today is not the same as it was 30 years ago but then neither is Britain the same as it was then too. In some ways the more extremist elements that we see today in Israel are a symptom of the frustration of those 30 years of peace not having being achieved and the many years of suicide bombings. These things tend to harden peoples opinions.

Appalling. I thought the US was bad in its disregard for international conventions of law, but apparently Israel desires to compete. The identity (and guilt) of the victim is irrelevant. Israel is a member of the international community of nations and is subject to the same conventions as all the others. Sanctioned killings erode confidence in that legal system, and lead to instability. Anyone who doesn't believe Mossad is behind this is simply wearing blinders.

Shock and horror it looks like secret service agents use false passports.What else will they discover maybe the earth is not flat.They should be more honest and use their own passports and business cards in future.

well let's hope the Israeli ambassador was properly treated ( as opposed to Israel's treatment of say the Turkish envoy) I don't think the man has any other answers than mention Israeli ambiguity regarding certain things.

Actually Chris, Prescott Bush wasn't actually imprisoned, but he was sanctioned by Congress under the Trading with the Enemy Act for his business relationship with Josef Goebbels and had the assets of his company, Brown Brothers Harriman siezed. There were several US companies that continued to support the Nazis while we were fighting them pretty much alone, including Standard Oil and General Motors. Anyway, what was the original subect thread? I've forgotten.

Litvenenko was granted Political Asylum. He never applied for British citizenship.

This issue is the UKs latent anti-semitism and its inability to fight its own war. You want to bring Dresden up that's fine with me too. It was a huge war crime. And it only goes to show the world's hippocricy in that while Israel went into Gaza and made every effort to avoid civillian casualties (and if they didn't do this there would have been tens of thousands of deaths), the Americans and British carpet bombed one of the most populated industrial areas in the world killing and massacring tens of thousands, without any warning.

It's a bit weird when you're insulting me. It feels like you're about to challenge me to a duel or something. I can't honestly remember what I posted on the IAF bombing of the alleged Syrian reactor. I seem to remember posting that it wasn't clear what they'd bombed which seems fair enough.

Though, as you say, I don't suppose Ingrid's going to start mentioning that.

I saw an Irish lady taking a picture of Big Ben once, suppose that might count as spying. They are starting to get desperate and as a consequence they are firing accusations right left and centre to try and deflect people away from Israeli misuse of passports which do not belong to their country. Israeli commentators are saying there is a sense of panic amongst Israeli citizens especially those with second passports no w that the full ramifications of what occured in Dubai is sinking in.

Some of your posters seem to be under the misapprehension that the British and the Irish governments and peoples have to prove anything. All that is required is that they believe or suspect. No one is going to be sued. Others are dismissive of the impact of the affair on diplomatic relations. The crux of the matter as far as Ireland and the others are concerned is the abuse of their passports. It is difficult to think of a country, possibly aside from your own, where holding an Irish passport might be a disadvantage. The current affair puts that in jeopardy. It also puts genuine Irish citizens in danger. It ill behooves your posters to be dismissive of these concerns. The Irish are cursed with long memories, and the other four countries (including Austria - provenance of the phone SIMS) would also take a dim view. Trade agreements eventually come up for review or renewal. Maybe at some time in the future Israel will see advantage in joining the EU..... .

Sir, You were saved by Red Army and the US military. The UK performance was mdiocre - thiygh they did withstood German bombing.

" It does not mean though that we do not express our honest opinions to the leaders of Israel when we have the chance just as Israeli`s do." Contrary to what some of the more excitable posting here think, I'm not anti-Israel. I've been there and enjoyed my time ther and I would love to see Israel as a true multi-ethnic western secular democracy. The Middle East could really benefit. An Israel like that would have a strong Jewish flavour but wouldn't systeamtically discriminate against non-Jews. However, today's Israel seems to me to be further from that, than Israel 30 years ago, and today's Israel also seems to me to be alienating increasing numbers of Westerners, including Western Jews. Things like J Street are symptoms of that. Yet the reaction of Israel's government seems to be close its eyes to all warning signs and become more extreme and more right-wing.

Sir, Your outstanding lack of knowledge in humongous variety of subject is awesome: In October 2006 Litvinenko became a naturalised British citizen

You forgot to mention the imprisonment of the grandfather of George W Bush's grandfather for breaking sanctions in his dealings with Hitler in 1941. This of course being after the start of Operation Barboarossa and the unleashing of the Einsatzgruppen. Thought I'd mention that, in case Ingrid mentions the United States all doey eyed, as she mentions daily American overflights of American planes over Auschwitz Birkenau.

Sir, May I humbly remind your prior instances of judgment regarding Israel bombing empty space in Syria? Of course it was foolish - such a quality of your mental activity. Your joking about murder of you fellow Britisher Litvcinenko once again validate my point.

not a British one with residency in the United Kingdom. He was an unsavory character who met a horrible death using poison administered by a Russian travelling on a Russian passport. I won't mention, because he was selling Russian secrets to Israel because that would be a cheap shot. So how about you explain what the United Kingdom should do if and when it is confirmed that Mossad has put at risk British citizens travelling abroad on legitimate business by using forged British passports?

Thank you for your further question. Just like in Israel many British Jews are divided in their opinion. Some believe in a total exit from the West Bank others partial and some perhaps not at all. I firmly believe that British Jews present their many opinions openly to Israeli leaders regularly. I also see many British Zionists debating and pressing their different views in the local communities. However it is true to a certain extent when there is a major issue we will all in public at least tend to stand united. This is because of our past history as nation. It does not mean though that we do not express our honest opinions to the leaders of Israel when we have the chance just as Israeli's do.

Name one country that fought Hitler on behalf of the Jews? And while you are thinking about making up a country to support your argument. Can you explain why British actions in WWII has anything whatsoever to do with Israel stealing the identities of 6 british civilians and using them in forged British passports despite previous assurances that they would not? The use of the Holocaust to stifle all criticism and questioning of Israel's actions may have worked in the past, but Britain is now run by people born decades after the end of WWII and all that.

Chamberlain, along with other European leaders, like the French gave Hitler part of Czechoslovakia, which in turn gave Britain and France an extra year to re-arm to face Hitler. Britain did not declare war on Hitler for its own survival. It declared war to defend Poland. The US did not save Britain. Britain had been fighting Hitler for over two years before the US was forced into the war, though, it had offered some limited assistance through lend-lease in the months just prior to that. US companies had actually been trading with Hitler after the oitbreak of WW2. If anybody saved us, it was the Russian communists. They did more to destroy Hitler than anyone.

To Ilan, post no.97. You say Ireland has been involved in 100s of spying incidents? Can you name a few examples? If you can't then withdraw the charge of hypocrisy.

For all you who don't remember, the British to this day enable the use of their own court system to persecute Israeli leaders and while have made promises again and again to change these laws which allows the courts to issue an arrest warrant without having any proof of a crime, havent' lifted a finger. If anyone is destroying relations between the two countries, its the one country that is trying to arrest the leaders of the other.

Just ask yourselves one question; instead of Jews living in the Holy Land, it was Russians, Chinese or Turks; how would they have dealt with constant threats to and across their borders - be it justified or not. They have killed en-mass for far less. Anyone care to condemn them? The critics are not fooling anyone but themselves.

The British fought hitler for one reason and one reason only, their own survival. They didn't give a damn about the Jews. Chamberlain alll but gave Europe to Hitler on a silver platter. And your expecting Jews for thanking your for saving your own assess, just goes to show your arrogance. You would have been lost too if it wasn't for the US. You didn't have a chance in hell. And the other fact that you've never been exposed to the full force of anti-semitism also shows in your smug statement.

They didn't use the identities of Israelis, they would not have got through passport control in Dubai if they had travelled on Israeli documents. They used the identities of 6 Britons, 3 Irish citizens, 1 French national and 1 German. It seems this is a concept many Israelis and Israel firsters are finding very hard to get their heads round.

her majesty's government, as well as her subjects, swallowed hard and fumed but did ultimately nothing when a british subject, namely litvinenko, was murdered with polonium-210 in the heart of london by russian agents thus exposing others to radiation poisoning both in england and in germany. you manifest tremendous outrage at the the murder of a non-british subject in a third country based on the unsubstantitated(read not proven) allegation that such murder was carried out by the mossad. your outrage is understandable considering your particular attitude toward jews and israel. much is not yet known and only fools would rush in with judgment.

Afghanistan, Iraq isn't Britain doing enough for Israel without its passports being misused on top it. This action if proven shows a blatant disregard for Israel's allies in the UK and those responsible should be punished for damaging Israel's interests.

The five dancing Israelis who were arrested whilst in their wird 'recording the events' of 9/11 were arrested in possession with a total of 22 passports in their names. Would you like to explain that or is that different?

Ingrid. Yes there is some truth in what you say regarding to exposure to anti-semitism (bit of a misnomer, really, beacause surely Arabs are also semites, as in descendants of Shem). As someone from a Caribbean and British backgound living in the UK, I know more than most about the extents and limitations of prejudice in the UK. However, I also know that the majority of Brits abhor prejudice including prejudice towards Jewish people and/or the nation of Israel. The same instincts that caused Britain to revile Naziism, and reject extremism in all its forms for centuries still exist in this country. Although there has been an increase in anti-semitism in recent years, it certainly hasn't risen to the point where Brits as a whole are anti-semitic, even tacitly. If the two nations are allies, surely it is legitimate that questions should be asked if it is suspected that one nation has trodden upon the other's toes.

Then sever all ties with the United Kingdom and Ireland. Or explain how 6 Britons with dual nationality with Israel had the details of their British passports used on fake British passports, and how Israel came into possession of 3 Irish passports. Remembering of course, at least in the case of the United Kingdom, Israel had given assurances they would not misuse British Passports in this way again.

While we're talking, perhaps you could answer another question. I have absolutely no problem with Jewish Brits (or non-Jewish) Brits supporting Israel. If I was Jewish, I think I would be immensely proud of the recreation of Israel as a living state 2,000 years after it ceased to exist. I find it frustrating though, that while Jewish Brits are very happy to promote Israel's views to other Brits, they seem much more reluctant to represent Brits' views to Israel. And basically, I'm talking about where some gentle, constructive criticism would be good for Israel itself. You must be able to see that actions like Lebanon 2, Cast Lead, this killing etc. while in some ways miltarily understandable are also doing Israel and its image long term damage. Same with the settlements etc. Why don't Jewish Brits tell Israel this more clearly?

Britian & Ireland should not pretend to be 'angels' and create a diplomatic row with Israel. There is no doubt that both countries (mainly UK), have been involved in hundreds of spying incidents over the course of history, using forged passports and other illegal documents to achieve their goals. Thus, if Israel does the same to protect itself against arms smuggling to Gaza, even at the cost of forging a passport, it should not be put on the spot and 'spanked' in fromt of the entire world.

When US drones kill in Pakistan is that murder too? Do you write to your congressmen in protest? Or do you just save up your condemnation for Israel. Remember this guy confessed to murder on tape. More than the US needs to fire off a missile.

The Mossad used forged British Passports. Oh Dear, Oh My! And stole the identiy of her majesty's innocent subjects. What will those Zionists think of next. My uncle, a founding member of Kibbutz Shamir, was arrested by the British for "illegally" ferrying Jewish refugees gathered at Italian ports after WWII to Palestine and imprisoned in Cyprus. Talk of justice!

Well Michael you could ask the same question of many in the UK. Do you feel more Muslim than British, do you feel more Jewish than British, do you feel more Chinese than British etc. The answer in my case is that I am a law abiding citizen of the UK. I am not elated at the use of British passports but at the same time I believe that all intelligence agencies adopt this practice. I also believe that Israel stands and fights with Britain and the US in the common goal of fighting against terror and that this operation was not just for Israel but the that cause in general. Therefore I can accept this situation. I hope that helps answer your question.

Israel didn't use Israeli identities. Israel used British, Irish, French and German identities, of people who just happen to have Israeli identities as well. If they had used Israeli identities they would not have been able to even enter Dubai.

Still pretending to care about Israel. Yes, you are not an anti-Semite. All Arabs are Semites, Christian, Muslim and Jewish ones. Common anti-Jew is more accurate.

You're the one who seems to over-react when caught out using standard Jew-baiting techniques..

"You nicely swallowed when Russians murdered British subject Mr. Litvinenko in London. It is not known much and only fools rush in with judgment." I think you'll find it was Litvinenko who nicely swallowed and then rather regretted it. As to fools rushing to judge, well I've been judged by you so many times and so inaccurately that at least you know what you are.

It appears Ireland and the UK are working together on this issue. Oh and the Dubai Police Chief has said he is 99% sure that this is an Israeli act. The key of course is what happened in Vienna. Once that has been figured out. Then Israel will be in the deep do do of the brown sticky kind.

You've got to be kidding me Ingrid. I don't expect a Thank You card and chocolates for our often solo efforts to defeat Hitler and his hideous genocidal machine, but it would be nice if Zionists showed a little appreciation. Instead Zionists constantly thrust Dresden down our necks and now you're saying that fighting Hitler, as opposed to collaborating, has made us irredeemably bad! Sometimes I think you lot regret the fact that we actually helped beat Hitler.

The oldest trick in the book? I do believe that would be trying to intimidate critics of Israel by hysterically screaming 'anti-semite' at them.

Wouldn't you learn how to jam cctv cameras by watching Ocean eleven? You spend all this money to go around the world, send surveillance teams- yet you don't know how to jam the cctv? This looks more like a mafia job rather than a well organized job!

Dual loyalty. Always works, doesn't it Michael?

This is so pathetic. An article about the murder of a Hamas activist gets turned in a mass public debate on British anti-semitism. What a pathetic and risible display of ugly jewish paranoia. Even when your nation is caught red handed (literally, in this case) your only response is to fire off the usual volley of accusations of anti-semitism. Guess what guys, I'm not anti-semitic. I just don't care about Israel anymore. Couldn't care less. Israel is like a spoiled child sulking in the corner, lashing out at anyone that gets too close.

Yes, obviously, British Government guys are defending terrorists nowadays..and their brave soldiers fight against Talibans in Asia at the same time! In any case, will not cry for that assasin of Hamas: he got not more chances to kill innocent people!

I commend you for your composure and balanced thinking. I only hope to read similar reactions more from level-headed Israelis. Israel is slipping down from its high, and respected altitudes of the past.

The real danger of the British is the fact that they are the only European country that was vehemently anti-German during WWII. And while during WWII that was good, today it means that they are the only European nation that weren't fully exposed to the rhetoric and propoganda, nor saw what anti-semitic sentiment really looked like. Subsequently, today they hold their heritage proud for resisting the Nazis, but at the same time today they believe that they have the right to openly declare themselves free of anti-semitism, while the exact opposite is the fact. What it really means is that they deny they have this vile illness amongst their own population, and refuse to even consider the possibility that anti-semitism is in fact a problem. they refuse to identify the obvious symptoms running rampant in their media, and that positions them as the most dangerous country for Jews and for Israel.

Israelis were probably given a dressing down by the Europeans for creating this mess and were cautioned to be more careful and not to tinker too much with the passports but publically of course the European governments try to give an impression as if they are really asking for explanations from Israel. Always the same game. Israelis will probably not apologize publically, they never do. They did not even apologize for killing a waiter who had a pregnant wife, in Lillehamer, mistaking him for an Arab terrorist. One thing that typifies Israel is its incredible arrogance.

Sir, You nicely swallowed when Russians murdered British subject Mr. Litvinenko in London. Your tremendous outrage based on unsubstantiated allegations of Mosad killing non British subject in the third country is understandable considering your particular attitude to Jews and Israel. It is not known much and only fools rush in with judgment.