Erekat: Palestinian Authority cannot exist without independent state
According to Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat if the United States continues to stymie the Palestinian efforts to get a state recognized by the United Nations, the Palestinian Authority should be dismantled.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Palestinian state Palestinian Authority PLOChief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat vigorously condemned both Israel and the United States during a briefing to over 90 Palestinian envoys in Istanbul on Sunday, saying the Oslo process was on the verge of failure.
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Erekat said that if the United States continued to stymie the Palestinian efforts to get a state recognized by the United Nations, the Palestinian Authority should be dismantled.
"[PA President Mahmoud Abbas] should throw the keys in their faces," Erekat said.
The conference of Palestinian representatives that has been taking place during the past few days is part of the PA's preparation for the expected vote in the UN General Assembly in September to recognize "Palestine," based on the pre-1967 borders, as a state that will not be a full UN member.
"If the United States wants the Palestinian Authority to continue to exist, then the price is the establishment of a Palestinian state in keeping with the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital," Erekat told the envoys, according to a transcript of his remarks that appeared in the Al-Ayam newspaper.
"But if the United States vetoes accepting Palestine to the United Nations in the Security Council, uses its financial aid to the PA as political blackmail and leaves Israel as the source of authority, then in my opinion, the PA must cease to exist."
Haaretz revealed Monday that National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror was weighing the cancellation of the Oslo Accords after the UN vote, as a response to the Palestinians' unilateral moves.
Erekat responded by saying "Israel's actions in the field effectively canceled Oslo years ago," and told the emissaries that the entire 20-year peace process with Israel should be reevaluated.
"The Palestinian Authority has a mission called independence," Erekat said. "If the PA cannot achieve independence, it's better that it didn't exist at all."
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Israeli PM calls for “just solution” to end the conflict. (Reuters) – Speaking to reporters accompanying Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on his long flight to the United States tonight, Netanyahu spoke of the injustice and hardship Mexicans have endured since American forces annexed Texas in 1845. “Tens of thousands of ordinary Mexicans were driven out of their homes – the only homes they had known for centuries - and forced to live in poverty and squalor south of the border imposed by American aggression,” Netanyahu said. “The Israeli and Mexican people agree on this: This festering wound will never heal until America takes bold steps to return to the internationally accepted lines of 1845. Clearly the settlement activity that’s taken place occupied Mexico since then is illegal. When I meet the President tomorrow I will tell him to halt all building activity in Texas immediately. Two lands for two peoples, yes, but not on land taken by force from Mexico,” the Prime Minister said. Asked if his hard-line stance could hurt the U.S.-Israel relationship, Netanyahu reiterated Israel’s commitment to America’s security and the unshakeable friendship shared by the two countries, then added, “But who was it who said, part of friendship is being able to tell your friend the truth. The ball is now in Obama’s court.”
Decades of American and Israeli peace fakery needed the PA as their stooge in order to make it all presentable to the world. The PA was never in on the joke (that there would never be peace). It may have dawned on them since Obama's election.
No citizenship, no annexation = no one state solution. There is no law or power that will or can force Israel to give Palestinians citizenship. The one state solution is a mirage. Does anyone really think Israel is going to reoccupy Gaza? :)
There is one reason, and one reason only, now and for the past 64 years, why there is no Palestinian state: the Palestinians themselves would not accept one if it also meant accepting a Jewish state on any territory, east or west of the Green Line, with or without settlements . If Palestinians, like Saeb Erekat, finally learn to utter a simple, one syllable, 3-letter word there might yet be a Palestinian state. The word is "Yes". So far, the Palestinians have only known how to say "No".
There is one reason, and one reason only, now and for the past 64 years, why there is no Palestinian state: the Palestinians themselves would not accept one if it also meant accepting a Jewish state on any territory, east or west of the Green Line, with or without settlements . If Palestinians, like Saeb Erekat, finally learn to utter a simple, one syllable, 3-letter word there might yet be a Palestinian state. The word is "Yes". So far, the Palestinians have only known how to say "No".
If the Pals become lawless, who do you think will get hurt the most. The Pals. Israel would be forced to take control and put down any violence. Oh wait, That's what he wants. A bloody confrontation, to show case to the world how Israel is killing all the Pals. Will they ever learn a new path.
Or hand over the Australian reins to another waiting in the wings chief advocate of continued Issraeli international crime... As other readers have correctly pointed out, it´s been in the news... even Netanyahu´s recent address to Congress is on Youtube... That guy is one fruitcake... the lies, deceit is dome with such aplomb... At least he does attempt to amuse inside of the same marketing package... But we are not all americans...
They are BANKRUPT: $ 500 mln. out of pocket. That's all. If you have a Russian friend, ask him what "Horns and Hoofs Company" means.
So go away. Personally I'd say good riddance to these collaborator creeps. The PA are Israel's outsourced occupation forces. They have no legitimacy and they have no right to "negotiate" on behalf of Palestinians.
If you steal the funds given to you through agencies both International and bilateral is the reason for a independent state to enable even more thievery ?
Fayyad and Abbas have almost entirely eradicated terrorism from the west bank, but Israeli right aren't happy about it. They miss their bogeyman. Arafat was an idiot, but an excellent distraction. Now there's an organised and peaceful Palestinian 'partner' but no Israeli 'partner' and all the world can see it. Waaaa
Actually, the biggest one yet from the one man most responsible for the years of failure to acheive anything for his people. Such is the result of choosing bombast, and blame of anyone but yourself\ instead of realistic compromise. Whatis even sadder is that, for so long, Israel's leaders and Americans like Dennis Ross (as well as the geniuses of the Quarter) thought Erekat was their partner for peace.
Zionism 4 U ----- This is what zionism is about
They may not kick into gear immediately, but as the S African model has shown, they most certainly WILL in time! Hmmmm? And in much less time this time...I'd imagine...lol
Time for the world to put it's foot down. Time for the UN to prove it is not just a tool of the USA.
Nobody wants two states. Not ordinary Israelis: Israel without Judea and Samaria is not Israel. It is something else, a place with the same name as someplacethat once existed in the Bible. Might as well occupy a few hills in Uganda or Wisconsin and call it Israel. Not ordinary Palestinians: they want what they feel was stolen from them, and that is historical Palestine. To them, calling the West Bank and Gaza a State is accepting defeat after 60 years of struggle, and without the Right of Return, a betrayal of all refugees, who have been betrayed by all Arab countries, and who don't need the ultimate betrayal by their own Palestinian brothers. As For their respective leaderships, these leaders are just hoping that one day, the other side will magically disappear through demographics and the problem will solve itself. Unfortunately for the Israelis, the Palestinians seem to have the upper hand in that game of demographic chicken, and whether the tipping point happens in 15 years (including the West Bank and Gaza) or in 75 years (excluding these places) it will happen. Finally, as for the concept of a "Jewish State"' there is no need for a clear majority (50%+1) of Palestinians for the state to stop being Jewish. 25%, or 35%, and if you remain unconvinced, how about 40%? Maybe with the current 20% of Israeli Arabs, Israel is not technically a Jewish state, but a binational state with a majority and a minority. The real problem is that the leadership is negotiating with rhetoric and myth. That is why the peace they are seeking is mythical. Regards.
just is undeniable truth , Arabs do not belong to that area , what they are creating is lies , lies , lies and violence.
No, we are not going to take care of the Palestinian people. They are not ours. They can have their towns and cities in the West Bank and do with them as they will. We'll stay outside of them. If they don't want to call their administration the PA, they can call it the Palestinian Empire, the Palestinian Republic or Neverland for all we care. We are not taking back Gaza and we are not taking back Nablus and there is no reason to grant any Palestinians citizenship.
No, we are not going to take care of the Palestinian people. They are not ours. They can have their towns and cities in the West Bank and do with them as they will. We'll stay outside of them. If they don't want to call their administration the PA, they can call it the Palestinian Empire, the Palestinian Republic or Neverland for all we care. We are not taking back Gaza and we are not taking back Nablus and there is no reason to grant any Palestinians citizenship.
60 years on the warpath, 60 years shaking the tin cup. Most of the intelligent Pals fleeing in the 80s and 90s to comfortable lives in Europe and US. What will getting a state change or solve?
Yup. The United States deserved to be condemned.
Well, no its actually all your fault for systematically teaching hate to your schoolchildren and adults so that they would never accept a real peace agreement with Israel. And no, when the PA is gone we actually wont be sorry at all - you are not elected, you are corrupt and you want to destroy Israel, so good riddance to you, good riddance to you, good riddance to you, Yeaah
No Palestinian State, no Palestinian Authority, no two state solution, i.e. one state with equal rights for all. The US/Israel have to decide.
Who has paid there way thus far? Dismantling the PA might allow the IDF to rid the area of terrorists once and for all. Be careful what you wish for.
Settler terror is the only terror which goes unpunished.
So the chance of this threat coming to pass is nil. Well, actually, you will know if it's about to happen if the top leadership of the PA and their families happen to suddenly take an extended vacation in Jordan. There is no way they're clearing the field to Hamas, or giving up their nice suits and incomes.
you think hamas won't take over westbank and smuggle the terror wheelchairs like in the boat of hate? think again Historian, you of all people should remember the terror they committed on that day of infamy on the Mavi Murdera
America needs to choose a one state solution or a two state solution. There is no other option. The sooner this is done, the better for all concerned.
The USA is claiming that it will have to veto - absolutely, positively must veto! - because that is the only way to bring the two parties back to the negotiating table to discuss the "two-state-solution". The Palestinians have just put a spike thru that nonsense i.e. if the USA vetos then the PA is gone, the two-state-solution is dust, and from there it's going to be "One-Man, One-Vote". The USA had better reconsider its position, and Real Fast.....
you still have Hamas as an alternative party. Why worry it flows in the blood
Ever since the signing of the Oslo accords, Israel followed a policy of land theft, resources theft, and complete domination of the Palestinian people. All of this was done under the cover of the so called Oslo. Unfortunately for the people of Palestine, the PA acted as the police force that protected the Israeli-American occupation of Palestine. The US, Egypt, Jordan, and Israel worked very hard to establish a Palestinian police with the primary objective to protect the Israeli-American occupation of Palestine. The PA brought disgrace, corruption, and prevention of the Palestinian resistance to the Israeli-American occupation. The PA converted the Palestinian people into slaves living on handouts from the same powers (Israel and the US) that occupy them. For few hundreds of millions of dollars, the PA became the agents and protectors of the occupiers. It is time to declare the Oslo accords dead, dissolve the PA, and yes, declare all of Palestine from the river to the sea occupied land, with over 6 million under the brutal Israeli-American occupation. The brave people of Palestine should take the same road followed by the brave people of Egypt and Tunisia. They must take off to the streets, to the border crossings, to the Israeli colonies, to the check points , to the apartheid wall and demand equal rights under a secular state. This will be the only way out. Abbas and his PA could join Ben Ali, and Saleh in Jeddah and live with his disgrace and shame after what they have done to their people.
I do think he genuinely sympathizes with the plight of the Palestinians but he his absolutely stymied by those lobbying on behalf of Israel. Just consider all of those US politicians in Congress applauding Netanyahu as he criticized their own president for having expressed the simplest most straightforward path to serious negotiations. I wish it were otherwise, but Obama does not stand a chance against the forces supporting Israel's takeover of Palestinian land no matter what. Only history will record this crime.
And here we thought that only Yasser Arafat (IS) was the only one who never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Saeb looks like you've inherited the mantle !
Anti-Palestine talkbackers getting decidedly nervous about a change to the status quo. Hence all the bile towards Abbas and fayyad's PA which has made Israelis far safer. This was the opportunity to make peace but Israel has missed it big time. Bibi was the worst leader for the best time. Oops!
Its about time a Palestinian leader had the nerve to call it like it is. CSalem, you are a joke, the Israelis from the get go did not want to leave and used the Oslo process as a means of stealing land, they are nothing but a bunch of thieves. Viva Saeb!!!!!
Israel will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming to the peace table and then have peace shoved down it's throat. If this doesn't happen, there will be no peace. The best hope for peace right now is Iran's nuclear program. That's how bad the situation is.
You sound a bit confused and disoriented...
Numerous sources, including the recent "Palestine Papers" show that it is Israel that has been cleverly avoiding any successful peace process. Israel's goal, apparently, is to keep drawing the negotiations further and further into the future until Palestinians have become assimilated elsewhere or otherwise pacified. If Israel wants peace it will happen overnight. But as long as Israel refuses peace it will not happen period. There is nothing the Palestinians can do as long as Israel talks peace to the media and to American politicians while preventing it from actually happening.
Or hand over the Australian reins to another waiting in the wings chief advocate of continued Issraeli international crime... As other readers have correctly pointed out, it´s been in the news... even Netanyahu´s recent address to Congress is on Youtube... That guy is one fruitcake... the lies, deceit is dome with such aplomb... At least he does attempt to amuse inside of the same marketing package... But we are not all americans...
Your squirming and dodging the point does not do your position any credit.
If the PA is dismantled the price of the occupation will skyrocket, Israel will be forced to foot the bill for everything, the Geneva Convention says so! All the PA has been lately is the strongman for Israel, that's it. ONE STATE FOR ALL!!..the funny part will be watching all the Russians flee back to there homeland. They won't stay if that happens...
Tsk tsk - just goes to show how little they really know about the situation...
Sorry. No one state for you...
Only the Palestinians want peace with justice. Israel and the USA want a powerful Israel at a staggering cost to the USA taxpayer and the Arab-Muslim world. Whatever vision Obama had, the USA Congress is too obligated to Israel. Middle East peace is just talk in Washington.
That's the point. A leader must have a clear and lucid vision of the future, and he doesn't. Not do I know what Hillary Rodham Clinton's vision of the future is, except having herself eternally standing on a perfect green lawn and issuing commands to the "orient".
Israel faces a stark choice: if it voids the Oslo Accords then Abbas will (correctly) dismantle the PA, and then the ENTIRE cost of this occupation falls upon Netanyahu's shoulders. It's even grimmer for the USA: it can no longer pretent that a veto is needed to bring the Pals back to the negotiating table, since it KNOWS that a USA veto will lead to the dissolution of the PA and a campaign for One-Man, One-Vote.
Maybe they should have "shot" for accepting the Clinton parameters., or any of the other offers before or since They need to settle on a little less than 100% of the territories. Demanding 100% of the territories without negotiating final borders, then having a little temper tantrum is crybaby shooting.
What happened to the electoral system of the Palestinians? I guess it's all smoke and mirrors. Elections are only held "once" and whoever wins gets to "rule" the people forever. Wonderful. Maybe the 'Arab Spring' will hit Ramallah soon...
You have tried every avenue, without success. What else do you propose.If dismanlling your Palestinian Authority is your goal, so be it. Why not sit at a table and trash out the problems you are having. No good complaining to the USA or Israel.It takes two to tango..You are just trying to DANCE on your own..I hope you enjoy it while you can..I know what I wrote sounds puerile,but then you people behave like children at a kindergarten...Grow up you have been at it for a long time..Getting a state is no child's play..It takes serious thought plus the wherewithal needed to maintain a state.You must realize the meaning of that surely. Methinks Mr Erekat that the crux of "your predicament" stems from need of CASH..And that is why you are whining.At least it is the impression Israel is receiving from your obduracy in not only wanting a state given to you on platter without putting any cogent effort..Nothing is free in this world of ours... You get what you give.So far you have just asked,but gave NOTHING in return.
Such a move would force the world to confront Israel having two sets of laws for the people under its control; one set for legal residents of Israel and Jewish residents of the West Bank, and one for Arab residents of the West Bank. Israel could no longer hide behind the argument that the status quo in the West Bank is merely temporary, pending some never to be reached agreement. Israeli apartheid would be exposed in all its ugliness for the world (with the exception of U.S. congressmen) to see. Then the world could move to a full blown response of boycotts, sanctions and disinvestment, a la South Africa.
After dismantling the PA, will the Palestinians go back to being PLO terrorists again? Have they ever been anything else?
No money, no US support no state, no pals, no sh*t.
Genius
In 1999 I had the best time of my life visiting my home town of Nablus. At the time, I was able to travel to Israel proper and enjoy everything it had to offer. As a Palestinian, I wish Israel will make us a One State with equal rights. I know a lot of Pals with the same line o thinking. I can only hope!!!
You and I both know, Palestinians will overwhelmingly vote for Hamas (or similar "politicians") in Knesset elections, and the resulting chaos and eventual bloodshed will not be good for anyone. If only there was a way to give Palestinians status of permanent residents instead of citizenship (which is basically full citizenship rights except for the voting rights). But again, as both you and me know, since this is the best possible solution of any realistically available options, the "human rights" activists will never allow it. They will rather fight Israel until the last Palestinian.
It would benefit the whole world to be able to in a more democratic and effective way to quickly intervene in conflicts and uphold universal human rights for all.
Just a few years ago, UN general assembly (mostly a collective of theocratic dictatorships) voted Lybia to chair UN human rights council. US did not have a right of veto in that particular case. Was that "fair and democratic" enough for your taste?
You think there is anything democratic in allowing representatives of bloody dictators decide how to "uphold universal human rights for all"? I wish any country without regular free elections would lose voting rights at UN. That would be a "more fair and democratic structure".
you are one big fraud.Israelis prepared to give you a state,but you wan't a larger one then you deserve. You will remain a total zero always without Israel. You are better off becoming part and parcel of Jordan. Go live there
No Palestinian State, and No PA. Just occupation of an ever smaller Palestinian infested region of Judea and Samaria. One must wonder how Palestinians might respond to inevitable dispossession and eventual exile or eradication.
The international community won't allow it. The US couldn't stop it from straightening out S Africa, and it won't stop it here. So far, it's yielded to US pressure with hope of a negotiated agreement still 'sort of' in place. But with Israel's scam blown wide open, that'll change...maybe even with a silent US concurrence.
PA is a product of illusion , that will never be able to sustain its own existence. Its goal was and always will be to match the British Version of set up.In reality it never really existed, it is an illusion for all those blind lefties , that go through the life looking and seeing nothing. 3 State solution -is a division between Israel Egypt and Jordan .The rest resembles local or municipal governance totally dependent and not able supporting the minimum needed.
Between them and Turks, they behaving little kids lately, perhaps if they take Israel's offernto go back to the negotiation table , except finding every excuse in the book, they would get their state...novel idea ere at.
If refusing to continue to carry out the occupation on behalf of Israel is "behaving like a kid" then that is what needs to be done.
nothing more is needed to be said.
That's his message.
In fact he admitted as much when he stated that Abbas “should throw the keys in their faces.” It is really up to Abbas to dissolve the PA, but can you imagine him firing himself? I can’t. A possible alternative would be for a significant number of his team to quit, in which case he may feel obliged to step down, but I don’t see the current Palestinian leaders dissolving the PA and loosing all the power and gravy which they love. Besides it is easy for the US to prevent any mass Palestinian desertions by simply threatening to expose their. So, in the most likely scenario, the PA will not resign. The only hope left is the Palestinian people. They should take matters in their hands and set up a tent-city, demanding the resignation of their government. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be made of that kind of metal. They expect others to do the lifting for them.
It's not just some whimsical thought being thrown out there by Erekat, it's a seriously considered alternative in the PA and Fatah.
"Political Blackmail"? We don't OWE you people ANYTHING.
Who are you. You are a US Jew, not Israeli. Israel owes everything to the Palestinians. The Jews were and are outsiders in someone else's land
If the Erekat wishes to deprives the Palestinian residents of the PA of law and order, then there isn't any particular reason why Israel should rush in to restore it. The PA/PLO can not pretend to be a state in being and then make claims that they can just pick up and abandon their effective control of the territory they claim for their state. That is completely unreasonable. The assumption is that were they to do so Israel would be forced to pick up the bag. Fortunately as in the case of Gaza there is always the alternative of simply refusing to accept authority. Israel is under no obligation to reoccupy territory that it has withdrawn from...
IF this were true then why did they reject peace SO many times? IMO the PA was setup to facilitate a phased destruction of Israel via negotiation on one hand and terrorist acts on the other... The fact is the PA and the PLO is a failing enterprise (Gaza 2005) and should be replaced by an actual provisional government that is actually elected not appointed... the sad fact is that Fatah is as corrupt as any Arab totalitarian regime and actually benefits financially from the Israeli "occupation"... get rid of the PA and PLO and Hamas and replace it with real Representative government that can actually negotiate independence from Israel...
I would suggest that the bare minimum requirement for "independence" is that you achieve a viable state that is not subservient to the whims of its much bigger neighbour. All the "peace offers" that they received would have left them subservient to the whim of Israel, and so they (rightly) rejected offers that could not give them what they need, which is true independence from Israel.
that was a more then fair offer that was rejected...
Israel intended to starve the Palestinians for water, thus strangling the new state and preventing it from absorbing the refugees currently housed in nearby states
wishes to blackmail the international community with 'school-yard' pronouncements of spitting the dummy and walking away, then that says a lot about the real need for a palestinian state.....And, if he wishes, let the PA be dissolved.........
No Palestine! No Israel! The solution is one country with equal rights for all. That is what Palestinians want. Erikat and Abbas are running without knowing where are they heading. They are afraid to say that their approach has failed.
There are plenty of "Palestinians" ready to take your place and your very generous salary.
There was a "massacre" in Jenin: 500 dead! 500 dead in mass graves, with bulldozers. This guy lies like a rug.
Palestinian obstinancy is "unsustainable"!