Biden: U.S. will always stand by those who take risks for peace

If health Care passes, Israel then becomes Obama's "Waterloo." He is no history buff or he'd know, he doesn't stand a chance against the G-d of Israel.

To win back Kuwait for the oil sheiks? I'll give you a hint, a lot more than $30 bil. So save you hollow indignation. We spent over $200 bil on that my friend, and that was in less than a 1 year. Your whining about 30 over ten years, please.

..USA foreign aid is mostly for food to the Palestinians except that the US has successfully funded and trained the Palestinians secuirty forces. Non-oil producing muslim countries, recieve aid, because they are poor and in need. Jordan for example, recieves one-or two hundred million a year; Pakistan is now the big receiver-'cause of fighting there; in North africa Tunisia receives money but Lybia next doort doesn't. The worse is with Israel: Pres Bush signed a 10 year $30 billion deal with Israel. No other country or US entity (state or local gov't or US Corp)ever received that type of future planning. Especially at that level. Here's the real kicker..money to Israel is an "EARMARK."

I am also a fed up tax payer. The overseas spending of the US gov't is complex and full of conditions and caveats, but it doesn't represent a large amount of our budget. Without a doubt the largest recipient of USA foreign Aid is Israel, and has been since the early '70s. There is no aid going to any OPEC country. We (US Gov't) enter transactions, with these countries, sometimes even for weapons and weapon systems. These countries pay full price from our defense contractors, with "export control Act caveats." Israel receives a gift for military purchases to the tune of $2.7bil and Israel receives "top shelf" hardware and technology. "Hundreds of billions" are numbers that are not in the ball park. Eygpt is the largest recipient of US aid, but only a small portion is military. Most is economic development, agric development, general governace. Aid to the Palestinians are subsistence -- food, medicine ect..

They purposefully are blinkered and sut their EYES when convenient. I would not trust them as far as I can throw ALL THEIR LOT. Oh attacking Israel to them is a mere bagatell. Eyes tight shut that is what.Sick of them all for not seeing the wood for the trees.But then that is their modus vivendi.And thus MODUS OPERANDI.

So does that mean that the Jordanians were part of the breaking of the armstice? Or is it when it suits the interest that Pan-Arabism lives? definition: any situation (such as an invasion), that causes the terms of an international treaty, or similar understanding, to be activated for example the expulsion of peacekeeping troops, addition of and refortification of troops along an armstice line, are examples of breaking an astoce agreement which does what johnboy?

"Jewish immigration...in Palestine on a large scale can be carried out without displacing Arabs." Ben Gurion, October 1941, Internal policy paper. "We do not deny the rights of the Arab inhabitants of the country, and we do not see this right as a hindrance to the realization of Zionism." Ben-Gurion, Nov. 1, 1936, Jewish Agency Executive Meeting. In addition, during the 1948 war, Ben-Gurion REFUSED permission to seize the West Bank (Gorenberg, Accidental Empire, 2006, p. 17). Ponder that.

J: "In 1948 right after Israel was declared a sovereign state, Arab armies, including Jordan`s which was led by a British officer, invaded Israel including Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria." Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria were not a part of "Israel", Jackie. Not in 1948. Not now. J: "In 1967, when the Six Day war broke out, Israel asked Jordan to stay out of the war." Casus foederis. Look it up. J: "Jordan didn`t, and Israel won back the lands it had lost to Jordan in 1948." Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria were never a part of "Israel", Jackie. Not in 1948. Not now. J: "I am sick to death of misinterpretations of what happened in the past." Me too. So when are you going to stop? You make an assumption - that Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria are part of Israel - that you simply can not back up.

17: "CJ - as you may know Palestinian Arabs have no sovereign territory west of Jordan." They have had sovereignty over the territory since 1947. What they don't have is a STATE, because there is an army of occupation sitting its Big Fat Arse on their territory. 17: "They will be gifted some in exchange for decent conduct." It can't be your gift to give if you don't own it. This territory was already gifted to the Palestinians in 1947 i.e. it does not (and never has) belong to you. So that sovereignty is not yours to "gift" to them i.e. all you can offer is to hand over to them the AUTHORITY that your army seized at the point of a gun in 1967. AUTHORITY is not SOVEREIGNTY, 17, as any occupying power (except, apparently, Israel) understands.

I wasn't convinced as of yesterday. But Yishai and Netanyahu sold me. Mark Lincoln was right, Biden should just come home.

will the u.s. always stand by them, too? or is israel the ONLY one who has that luxury? but don't you fret joe, the timing really didn't have anything to do with your visit; it ummmm...it was just sort of...well, you know...it was a coincidence. but seriously joe, it probably WAS. this sort of shit happens all the time, in one form or another, so the odds were actually pretty good that something was going to pop up during your visit... lol...although this is pretty large scale and blatant. think about it, joe. under similar circumstances, what other country in the world would NOT have waited until your visit was done before announcing something like this? timing is everything...and they timed it just the way they wanted it timed! there's no such thing as coincidence for a decision that requires calculated planning. nothing random or spontaneous about. joe, you've been slapped in the face.

policies which have diverted hundreds of billions to moslem countries, including OPEC members and received nothing in return other than criticism, criticism and criticism. these multi trillionairs have bribed most of the Us executive and legislative branches through their lobbies funded by Saudi Arabia, Libya and the Emirates, and through the Arab-client oil company lobbies.

"Your question makes no sense because it does not refer to the situation now existing in the area. The occupied territories are already de facto part of Israel." Imbecile. The two people are hostile to one another, and a unified state will not work between them. And the territories are not part of Israel. Aren't you one of those fools who like to quote the Israeli Supreme Court in stating that the territories are occupied? When did Israel annex them? Why is the PA the governing authority over most of the Palestinian population?

How can any country ask another to take security risks? I can not imagine this scenario in reverse, can you? ** Loyalty is a two-way street. For Israel, it's their way or no way.

Israel's been giving the US the finger for too long now. It's time for an American president to put the clamps down once and for all.

In the 1990s, two presidents, G.H.W. Bush, (the adult one) and Bill Clinton achieved for the United States a preeminence in the world by leading through consensus and cooperation. In the last decade the Bush boy, G.W., managed to convince the world that the US was a lunocracy run by maniacs and threat to the world. Especially the Arab and Muslim world. Amongst the problems confronting Obama when he replaced the Bush child's lunatic regime was to reestablish America as a leader instead of a monster. No where was that more necessary than the mideast. This required PEACE. And it required America showing it would stand up to Israel, because that was the one power in the region it NEVER stood up to since Dwight Eisenhower. Obama has failed to stand up for himself, much less America. Not just in the mideast, but everywhere.

The problem is not #5's views the problem is that the arabs want to destroy Israel. Ehud Barak offered everything and they said no! What more proof do we need?

Vladek, your comments stand out for their sanity. Thank you.

Good old Joe. The vice president is in Israel to play kissy-face with hosts who are in no mood to pucker up. And for good reason: There's abundant evidence that President Obama is no friend of the Jewish state, and the Israelis must decide whether to believe Joe Biden or their own eyes and ears. This White House puts great store in its ability to make millions believe nine impossible things before breakfast, but the Israelis are a tougher audience than any Mr. Obama faces at home. When your survival is at stake, it's difficult take words, no matter how thick the butter on them, as the equal of action. "What you do speaks so loud," as the saying goes, "I can't hear what you say." The Palestinians are trying to make hay, with the help of compliant Western media, of the announcement that the Israelis have approved construction of 112 new apartments in "an ultra-orthodox" settlement on the West Bank, and the Palestinian complaint that this violates an Israeli undertaking to restrain further development of settlements will complicate the veep's mission, but not by much. The Palestinians will always find a reason to find a fly on the pastrami, and the purpose of the Biden visit is to warn, harshly, Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu to be nice about the West doing nothing about Iran. This from an article says it all.

What peace is Israel looking for, it's becoming more obvious every day that the last thing Israel wants is peace.

Mr vice President if you truly believe what you said! Be a man Stand up! and move away from Israel, After they slap you in the face and laugh at you! is no triving for peace in Israel!!! Time to have a resolution banning any weapon and money going to israel!

J: "In 1948 right after Israel was declared a sovereign state, Arab armies, including Jordan`s which was led by a British officer, invaded Israel including Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria." Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria were not a part of "Israel", Jackie. Not in 1948. Not now. J: "In 1967, when the Six Day war broke out, Israel asked Jordan to stay out of the war." Casus foederis. Look it up. J: "Jordan didn`t, and Israel won back the lands it had lost to Jordan in 1948." Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria were never a part of "Israel", Jackie. Not in 1948. Not now. J: "I am sick to death of misinterpretations of what happened in the past." Me too. So when are you going to stop?

What a crock.."the U.S. will stand by those who take risks for peace"..the only party in this equation that will be taking risks are Israel. Since '48 they have been at risk and time and time again have given in to world pressure,giving back the Sinai,giving back Gaza,giving the Temple Mount and on and on. It is one thing to make peace...but who is the peace partner? The people who originally wanted you dead and their plans did not succeed? The people who lust after the destruction of Israel and look towards this opportunity to put the knife in and finish off what they attempted in '48? Afterall the palestinians have not changed they have gotten more violent and have given birth to hamas and hezbollah. Who needs the U.S. to stand by a corpse,which Israel will be,if the palestinians get what they want.I am tired of lighting memorial candles for dead Jews. I would rather fight the fight than risk "all" for something that will cause death and destruction to Eretz Israel and her people.

What a freaking liar--the U.S. would stand by Israel?? Are you kidding, Biden?? Your Boss (whose party line you are delivering now) has done EVERYTHING to vilify Israel and make outrageous demands that would compromise its VERY EXISTENCE. Joe--hold Obama's hand and slip over to chat with Hamas, see if they will become Gandhi followers and put down their weapons. Ask the Saudis if they will stop executing homosexuals and maybe allow a Jew to enter their country at all...or buy a piece of property there. You are a hypocritical joke. Obama's ENTIRE history is to HAMMER his allies and COZY UP to the most vicious tyrants in the world who have killed Americans. Maybe he is an Islamist supporter in disguise. You're no ally anymore--only 6% of Israelis view the U.S. as an ally now. Congrats, Barack!

17: "CJ - as you may know Palestinian Arabs have no sovereign territory west of Jordan." They have sovereignty over the territory. They don't have a sovereign state. They can't form that state, because there is an army of occupation sitting its Big Fat Arse on it. 17: "They will be gifted some in exchange for decent conduct." It can't be your gift to give if you don't own it. This territory was already gifted to the Palestinians in 1947 i.e. it is already theirs - it does not, and never has, belonged to you - and so all you can offer is to hand over to them the AUTHORITY that your army seized at the point of a gun in 1967. You really are such a zionist i.e. your arrogance and your ignorance are equally boundless.

You seem very angry at your president whom you must have worked very hard to see he would not be elected. Netanyahu's government is a government of liars. They behave like petulent children and expect the world to simply accept their violations as necessary for their security. Bullshit. It is time for Obama to stand up and make demands of a nation that is bankrolled by the US taxpayer and spits in their face during the vice president's visit to get things started.

failure. He's done nothing but alienate everyone. Get your head out of the clouds.

Israel just announced the building of housing units while Biden was pledging 150% support for Israeli security and after he announced that he has taken on Israel's position on Iran. The level of Israeli disrespect for American presidents and vice presidents is unbelievable!!!! We just gave Israel 3 billion dollars of our hard-earned tax dollars at a time when we cannot even support our universities. What do we get for that? total disrepect. Now watch the American embassy in Tel Aviv as well as the State Department grovel to Israel.

Nonsense. Who has more to gain by making peace?

He must be talking about Palestine. Israel has never taken risks for peace.

Biden's comments at Yad Vashem suggests he subscribes to the Holocaust origins of the State of Israel, and knows nothing of Judiasm. This man apparently learned nothing during his visit.

...that would have been nice at election time (it wasn't). But now, here, and by the VP, doesn't it sound a bit hollow?

As far as your lot are concerned I say: COME INTO THE PARLOUR SAYS THE: "SPIDER TO THE FLY".We do not trust you even an millimeter,let alone the===== "The scorpion(your lot)But this FROG(Israel)is not stupid..We know all of your tactics.And right you are WE ARE THE CLEVEREST OF THEM ALL. Capiche? of them WE ARE

Dont you understand nobody can stand up to any Israeli Leader. Jews can only trust themselves they have learned this the hard way living with gentiles for thousands of years you must be one frustrated nut case

If one of the sides, in our judgment, does not fulfill our expectations, we will make our concerns clear and we will act accordingly in order to overcome every obstacle,just like you did to Hamas in Gaza when they rocket attacked Israel for six years

Mark Lincoln who never stopped complaining about Bush calling it the "junta". Now he has other things to grumble about. Sooo,who does he blame?the new administration being Obama for not putting more strictures on Israel. Mark L is getting too far beyond himself. He seems to complain Obama isn't acting against Israel by putting harsher demands. Tell you what Mark J:Israel will keep the FENCE,continue to build the need for the citizens. So, no RoR,not giving another inch that tiny Israel IS already looking NAKED giving more to Abbas that HE deserves NOT,the thief he is. We have no more to give.S So stop being so nice,it will not work we are used to being deceived by your lot.We will not be fooled. Biden back to the black board with you.Mitchell,Clinton NOT TO MENTION THE LOUD MOUTHED RHETORICS by Obama.

Good old Joe. The vice president is in Israel to play kissy-face with hosts who are in no mood to pucker up. And for good reason: There's abundant evidence that President Obama is no friend of the Jewish state, and the Israelis must decide whether to believe Joe Biden or their own eyes and ears. This White House puts great store in its ability to make millions believe nine impossible things before breakfast, but the Israelis are a tougher audience than any Mr. Obama faces at home. When your survival is at stake, it's difficult take words, no matter how thick the butter on them, as the equal of action. "What you do speaks so loud," as the saying goes, "I can't hear what you say." The Palestinians are trying to make hay, with the help of compliant Western media, of the announcement that the Israelis have approved construction of 112 new apartments in "an ultra-orthodox" settlement on the West Bank, and the Palestinian complaint that this violates an Israeli undertaking to restrain further development of settlements will complicate the veep's mission, but not by much. The Palestinians will always find a reason to find a fly on the pastrami, and the purpose of the Biden visit is to warn, harshly, Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu to be nice about the West doing nothing about Iran. This from an article says it all

The Islamic Republic of Hamastan is ruled by Hamas and WB by Fatah Bi National state? The Islamo fascist apologist dream.If you stopped sloganeering long enough you would realise the Arabs are going to get 90+ % of the WB with land swaps.

I believe one square kilometer per casualty is a fair penalty. But probably we should ignore the people that have already been killed. After all, Israel has only about 20,000 square kilometers total, so the deaths from Operation Cast Lead alone would give Palestine more than 5% of Israel. On the other hand, the 18 Israelis killed by rockets out of Gaza would give Israel 18 square kilometers of that back. But I am a little concerned that such an approach might result in even more violence. To get East Jerusalem would violent settlers kill innocent Israelis and try to make it look like arabs killed them? East Jerusalem is 70 square kilometers, an insignificant amount of space. If they could get that by sacrificing only 70 secular non-observing Jews, it would be almost a give-away.

If the Palestinians would agree to borders, and just wat is "Palistine" then the Israelis would not build there. Let them agree first. Without any agreement, we have only the 1949 Armistance lines.

You're a broken record, Mark. Seek help. Netanyahu has never made a single demand of Obama...NOT ONE! Conversely, all Obama and his cronies have done for the past year is make demand after demand after demand on Israel..."Stop the settlement building", "Stop destroying the (illegal) homes of Arabs", "Ease up on the Gaza embargo", "show patience and restraint regarding Iran", etc., etc., etc. Who the hell does Obama (or you) think he is, making unilateral demands on Israel alone? What has Obama (or you) EVER demanded of the so-called "Palestinians"? Not one blessed thing, and you know it. So please spare us all your daily drivel about Obama "obeying" Netanyahu. Obama bows and kneels to all the world's leaders (including oppressive dictators) EXCEPT for Netanyahu. Your view of the Obama-Netanyahu relationship is so distorted, it is downright pathological. Why can't you simply admit that, as an anti-semite, you can't stand it that Netanyahu doesn't jump when Obama barks?

I am sure Biden is running to embarce the Palestinians...in front of the ominpresent Israel Lobby. What a joke!

The Obama administration will never take a risk for peace. It knows how to obey the commands of Bibi Netnayahu. "Beg." "lay down," "roll over," and "play dead." All Obama, Biden and Clinton know how to do is roll over and pee on themselves like cowardly dogs. Why shouldn't Israel treat them with the total contempt it does?

And I say compare America with the rest of the world, they are far ahead as far as democracy, freedoms, etc. There is no doubt about that, all country's have problems, America is not immune to it. While I sincerely hope the United States plays and even mediator, the reality as history has shown us is that they lean towards the Israeli side as a result of strong Jewish and Zionist lobbying in Washington, D.C. Until this changes, I highly doubt the U.S will accomplish anything. The only thing that may change is that contempt for Likud and Bibi may rise as it did with Bush Sr and Shamir.

"Please tell me how under todays circumstances Israel can be made a bi-national state that would include the hostile alien residents of Gaza and the WB." Your question makes no sense because it does not refer to the situation now existing in the area. The occupied territories are already de facto part of Israel. There is no longer any possibility of a 2-state solution. Only one state - Israel - exists and will continue to do so. Therefore we already know what a 'bi-national' state looks like. The problem is that millions of its inhabitants have no civil rights in Apartheid Israel.

Labharas - So we are agreed then, you will not use the Likud argument as you see its inherent flaw, LIKUD HASNT Run the State of Israel since its inception. I am guessing this is why you have omitted it from your second posting of the same quotes. Now on your quotes, the vast majority of which happened when? 1937 during what? the peak of the Great Arab Revolt. So Yes I do think they are quite out of context, and you have convienently omitted this information everytime you have posted them, so I ask WHY? Furthermore, your quotes do not even begin to address issues like, 3 nos from Khartoum, how can they when ALL OF YOUR QUOTES ARE FROM BEFORE THAT EVEN HAPPENED. So your argument is easily overcome from the simple famous 3 NOs. NOW MY QUESTION Why do you fear my post that you put up a big strawman of BS quotes? If your point was correct you should be for my post as it would probably, according to you, be the end of Jewish claim to Hebron and Jerusalem. So why the Strawman?

PIECE and they have the bombs in their back yards to prove it!stop siding with terrorists/ come out of la la land,this is the real world and there is no such thing as fighting terrorist on their own terms!idiots in dc who actually believe they are leaders!they are followers and concession makers to Israel's and US enemies who want nothing less than both nations to fall to the ground as the example given on 9/11!

he does not speak for me or most americans

I am not disputing the quoted assertion by David Ben-Gurion who incidentally died in 1954 and had earlier led Israel through the 1948 war of survival. He had all the reasons to think that way at the time. I think that history has proven without any doubt that Israel today is stronger economically, militarily and socially than ever before while the opposition is much weaker than ever before. Peace has been signed with Egypt and Jordan since. Please tell me how under todays circumstances Israel can be made a bi-national state that would include the hostile alien residents of Gaza and the WB.

lets stay in the present and have real negotiations or honest, good willed indirect talks. At the same time, as a means of ensuring that the fires of incitement do not spread we create something like this. Lets be honest the peace train is not as strong as Cat Stevens espoused, not today, it will be easily derailed by a simple stupid mistake. But what if we found a currency that both sides really cared for, a currency that was of extreme value to the extremists on both sides. Don't you think that something like this would calm them down? For example, the Settlers, I think would quickly shut up and be good if Jerusalem was at stake, many settlers are religious zealots and the land of Israel, especially jerusalem is of dire concern. The same can be said for many Palestinians, and to many, the love they have for Hebron and jerusalem is actually one of the things they share with the settlers. But I think you take it a little to far when you start getting into the past.

it. Israel does not want peace---it wants the greater Israel. "As it will be demonstrated below, the decision by the Zionist leadership to accept the 1947 proposed UN GA Partition plan was nothing but a smoke screen, which was done solely to gain international recognition and support. This deception was a political ploy to gain initial international legitimacy for the existence of the "Jewish state", and this was well known to the Palestinian people. The reader is urged to contemplate the following Zionist leaders' quotes in an open mind. Note that most, if not all, of the quotes below are dated before the entry of any single Arab Army into British Mandated Palestine: * In a letter Chaim Weizmann sent to the Palestine-British high Commissioner, while the Peel Commission was convening in 1937, he stated: "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66) * Ben-Gurion emphasized that the acceptance of the Peel Commission would not imply static borders for the future "Jewish state". In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ..... Our possession is important not only for itself ... through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state .... will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country." (Righteous Victims, p. 138) * In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25) * ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories.

"How can any country ask another to take security risks?" Avi, you have hit the nail on the head. Imagine that Israel participated in peace talks and actually made a peace agreement. And then imagine that something went wrong and Israel did not have peace anyway! That would be horrible! That would be the worst thing in the world! Israel can't take the chance that they might make a peace agreement and might still have a war someday. So to Israelis it seems better not to make peace in the first place. It's just too scary. I wanted to think of something sarcastic to say about this but I couldn't find anything to say but the truth.

"in 1967 they invaded Israel" This is factually incorrect, i.e., a lie. The rest of your posting is the usual ignorant racist claptrap.

what did these - holes sign to, if anything? Seems they only track what the Jews sign on. a contrct is valid only if both sides of the agreement sign withing the date specified. Otherwise its void. as for the UN and its "international laws", who there is the court? Is it the security council or the General assembly? Neither is. Who passes those laws? are they in the UN constitution? Who interprets the constitution, the rable from the GA or the Executive UNSC?

Eli, what a great idea! How about this approach -- start out with the US, the UN, NATO, etc announcing that the final borders will be the pre-1967 borders, with adjustments. And make the following adjustments -- every time a Palestinian kills an Israeli, let Israel take one square kilometer from Palestine, whichever square kilometer they want. maybe from East Jerusalem? Wherever. And every time an Israeli kills a Palestinian, let the Palestinians take whatever square kilometer they choose from Israel. Maybe from West Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv, Or Dimona, wherever. And just to make it fairer, we should count all the Israelis killed by Palestinians and Palestinians killed by Israelis back to the 1st intifada. That would reduce future violence, wouldn't it?

That Arabs ever sat at the bargaining tbale in 47 when in fact they boycotted the talks instaed of Offerin even a semblance of a voice they said we will accept no Jewish state and declared war So your point is propaganda if you rephrased I maybe it could be something else but since you've already posted it it has enlightened muskeg and others to your views notably the same as Arabs in 47 NO JEWISH STATE EVER - THAT WONT BRING PEACE

no skin off my nose if you lose it all. Maybe you might find the nswer here. " "I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". I was stunned by this pessimism, but he went on: "I will be seventy years old soon. Well, Nahum, if you asked me whether I shall die and be buried in a Jewish state I would tell you Yes; in ten years, fifteen years, I believe there will still be a Jewish state. But ask me whether my son Amos, who will be fifty at the end of this year, has a chance of dying and being buried in a Jewish state, and I would answer: fifty-fifty." "But how can you sleep with that prospect in mind," I broke in, "and be Prime Minister of Israel too?" "Who says I sleep? he answered simply". (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99)

talk about peace. israel loves talking. It is going to lose nothing by talking. while talking grab more land!

Land under the control of Arabic municipalities has been cut by half since the beginning of the state of Israel, despite the fact that their population has grown by a factor of 7. 2. Israeli Arabs constitute 20% of the population yet they only live on 3.5% percent of the land. 3. Urban plans for Arabic towns take on average twice as long to be authorized compared to Urban plans for Jewish towns. 4. Land around Arabic villages in the Galilee have been confiscated by the government to build Jewish only settlements, along with industrial and other complexes to support them, leaving Arabic towns with no room to expand to, turning them to extremely crowded places. Yet no body talks about "Natural Growth" for Arabic Towns.

No israel, No Palestine. One State Solution is the best for all. One Man, One Vote, Equality for all inhabitants. Equal Pay for Equal Work, Equal Water Rights. No Apartheid, No Segregation...A Very True Secular Democrac Let us call it :?State of Holy Land?.

Everybody knows that Israel considers it in their own interest to avoid peace. At the same time, they must pretend to want peace. Result? Anyone who plays along with Israel?s peace games is wasting their time and adding to their frustration while the result is always the same.

This is a large group of ethnic peoples of N. European origin who speak Afrikaans as their language. Their history includes migrations over centuries, Zulu wars and finally a status as an ethnic group in S. Africa. Again, genius, please tell me how dissolving the PA will pave the way for a bi-national state called Israstine.

Israel profits by avoiding peace. Their long time settlement expansion project will come to an end with any peace agreement. As long as Israel continues to profit by avoiding peace, there will be no peace

Into a frantic tailspin. My post was about an END TO VIOLENCE BY BOTH SIDES WITH PUNITIVE MEASURES IN PLACE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE AND PUNISH, IN TERMS OF VALUE, NON COMPLIANCE. What do you have to fear regarding this? Is this not what both sides want? NO MORE VIOLENCE and MEASURES THE PUNISH THOSE WHO ARE VIOLENT IN TERMS OF MUTAL VALUE? Or perhaps you just didn't understand the point and as such went beserk. I do not know as your post, if you understood mine, makes no sense. Notably, your assertion, Israel does not want peace. Then you should be so happy to adopt my formula, as if backed by the USA would, most likely, infered from your points, result in Israel losing its claim to Jerusalem and Hebron etc... That'd make me sad, I'd thought that'd make you happy. But let's go further to your incessant ramblings on the LIKUD Charter. WHAT ABOUT THE TIMES WHEN THE LIKUD WAS NOT IN POWER? Obviously that claim can't hold for all of Israel's history. on your quotes from 1937-TBC

How can such tiny state that depends on America's charities be so arrogant and even "gives order" to the only Superpower America? Where is its secret?

Don't trust the US we know that this admin in particular can not be trusted. Only a signed, ratified approved guaranteed congressionally approved published agreement can be considered and even then don't trust it. This is the admin that rejected the acknowledged understanding with the bush admin in respect with Israeli towns and internal expansion, they have violated understandings in respect to Israeli nukes, Israeli qualitative arms superiority, the huge arms deal with Iraq saudi egypt uae with no regard to Israeli interests. They have also totally ignored the risks Israel has taken for peace the territory surrendered to the pa,the arming of pa forces(army) the withdrawal from gaza southern lebanon etc.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday praised Israel for agreeing to renew the Middle East process and pledged that the United States would always "stand by those who take risks for peace.Historic peace will require both sides to make historically bold commitments..." Sorry, Jo, what's that you're saying? You'll have to speak up, we can't hear you over the sound of the bulldozers getting to work on the 1600 new Jews-only homes in E. Jerusalem.

What does Israel want more from Obama? 1) Weapons 2) 3 Billion in aid every year 3) Vetoes at the UN 4) unqualified support in its "fight against terrorism", and constant state of war with it`s neighbors. It is quite simple.

Obama is sucking up to Congress Congress is sucking up to AIPAC+ Co. AIPAC+ is sucking up to Israeli right wing fanatics. Right wing fanatics are sucking up to expansive Zionism

"You think this is a foregone conclusion. And how do you envision Israel being forced to transform into such a state from its current status ? Who will do the transforming ? Please enlighten me." DZ Oh and dempgraphics. Simple really---if one has a brain.

The talk of "Zionists" here and elsewhere is just code for Jews, like "Crusaders" is code for Christians. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in inviting the Nazis to Palestine, wasn't calling for the eradication of the "Zionists" but of the Jews. Venomous Palestinian internal propaganda portrays Jews, not just Zionists, as the enemy. Hamas will never change their charter, and Gaza will never rid itself of Hamas, at least on its own. Where does that leave us? Arab lies notwithstanding, the UN has recognized the fact and legitimacy of Israel. The civilized world recognizes Israel. In 1948 the Arabs rejected a two-state solution and ended up with nothing; in 1967 they invaded Israel and ended up with less. Whatever the polemics, the comparison on the ground, between misery in Gaza and progress in the West Bank, reflects the Palestinians' choice between barbarity and civility. Whether they wish their children to inherit their rabid anti-JEWISH hatred is up to them.

Biden can, Israel can not ! "U.S. will always stand by those whs take risks for peace" Biden Peace is Israel only security. Too dear to risk it ! During all this conflict israel never had a 2nd chance ! With respect to Biden who never thought of that ! A good advice perhaps to the palestinians but no good for israel !

are you getting weary of this battle. BTW --Israel has done zipolla for peace---Israel does not want peace---how many timnes do you have to be told. Here read he history and then read the Likud Charter to get you up to date. "As it will be demonstrated below, the decision by the Zionist leadership to accept the 1947 proposed UN GA Partition plan was nothing but a smoke screen, which was done solely to gain international recognition and support. This deception was a political ploy to gain initial international legitimacy for the existence of the "Jewish state", and this was well known to the Palestinian people. The reader is urged to contemplate the following Zionist leaders' quotes in an open mind. Note that most, if not all, of the quotes below are dated before the entry of any single Arab Army into British Mandated Palestine: * In a letter Chaim Weizmann sent to the Palestine-British high Commissioner, while the Peel Commission was convening in 1937, he stated: "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66) * Ben-Gurion emphasized that the acceptance of the Peel Commission would not imply static borders for the future "Jewish state". In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ..... Our possession is important not only for itself ... through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state .... will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country." (Righteous Victims, p. 138) * In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25) * ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories.

it loves Jewish folk. Otherwise it wouldn't illegally settle them in "territories occupied", where A) there's a danger they'll be collateral damage if the occupied resist with armed force. B) They'll have to eventually either move out or become citizens of Palestine.

Haaretz, I have written a post like this several times and you've never posted it, please post this one, I am simply asking CJ's opinion, if (S)He would be so inclined to give it. CJ, You always make your claim regarding sovereign territory, surely, if we take Israel and Arabs out of the equation and work algebraically maybe I can get an answer to a question i've had for a while. So if Countries, Q, X, Y, Z declare war on country A and Country A wins, and having been attacked by Q X Y Z and not having a peace treaty signed only an armstice, decides that it is in its security interests to occupy parts of Q X Y Zs lands. years later a deal is signed and a retreat happens, What is your view for if following that Q X Y Z attack country A again? If you also know the law regarding it I'd love to know as well. You can email me should you post it and it not get shown on the talkback. alwayslearning@live.ca just love to understand your views, opinions thanks Eli

one thing is certain you cannot read a document . try "jewish national home" !!!!!!!! use dictionary to understand meaning of words . every party involved understood this meaning except you . read british white papers all of them 1924 to 1947!!!

Israel doesn't plan to change course. It will only make an Israel with equal rights for Arabs a logical course of action someday in the future. It is her own mess to deal with. Meanwhile U.S. will play the peace talk game, but knows this is true and nothing in Congress has changed to merit any action in this administration. The real issue the Vice President is here for is an understanding by Israel that America does not want a surprise first attack on Iran. With those in power in Israel; America has to be concerned and try to prevent this from happening.

1920 san remo Didn't say a separate Jewish State 1924 mandate Didn't say a separate Jewish State. Ended 14th May 1948. unscr 242/338 Were between existing states, not Israel and the Palestinians. They called for the ACKNOWLEGEMENT OF recognizED sovereign boundaries. Eg, Resolved by Israel having to withdraw from Sovereign Egyptian territory before relations would resume. 1924 anglo - american convention Didn't say a separate Jewish State 1945 un charter Didn't say a separate Jewish State 1979 peace treaty egypt What about it? Israel had to withdraw from Egyptian Sovereign territory for relations to resume 1995 peace treaty jordan What about it?

... INTL LAW. Notably, that Israel has in past taken Risks for peace and has received 0 reward for said risks when they have backfired. A great example is GAZA, there existed 2 years where it was not occupied nor blockaded. That came as a result of a Terrorist Coup and incessant Rockets and Mortar shells being fired at a civilian population. There is nothing in INTL Law that ever assigns punitive damages to a belligerent like Hamas. So the issue then becomes, WHAT IS THE INTEREST FOR TAKING THE RISK IF THERE IS NOTHING IN RETURN FOR TAKING THE CONSEQUENCES ON THIS RISK. BIDEN, SIMPLE AND EASY ANSWER TO THIS, BACK GUARANTEES IN THE UNIT OF VALUE BETWEEN THESE TWO PARTIES, LAND. 1 TERRORIST ATTACK, BYE CLAIM TO JERUSALEM, ANOTHER, BYE BYE CLAIM TO HEBRON. MAKE IT WORK BOTH WAYS, FOR PA AND ISRAEL AND YOU WILL SEE ATTITUDES CHANGE SWIFTLY. AT PRESENT PEACEP IS WORKING ON A CURRENCY THAT IS OUTDATED, TIME TO CHANGE TO THE ONE OF MUTUAL VALUE BETWEEN BOTH PARTIES.

If the Palestinians want peace they should love their own kids more than they hate the Jewish people.I was treated much better while i was living in East Jerusalem than when i moved here

everyone on both sides of the debate deep down knows that this is the only way, but those on the extremes of bothsides lack the courage to embrace the truth

There is nothing like a common enemy to unite two sides. Ever heard the expression "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", Bradley? This is the foundation of my peace initiative: The US appoints Slowman as peace mediator between Israel and Syria, say. The Syrians want US involvement? Give it to them this way. Over time, the two sides realize whom they are dealing with. They get annoyed to death by his sloooowness and duuuumbness, band together against him, and get rid of him in some joint operation. (Both Mossad and the Syrians are experts in this sort of thing.) There is no bonding like joint war against a common enemy. Peace will follow for sure. You want another peace deal? How about Israel and the Palestinians? Do the same thing, but you will have to go to the Himalayas to catch another Slowman. There aren`t many of those left, so might become a real bottleneck. I suggest you start looking for a few Slowmen right away. Good luck, and Peace be on Israel. Inshallah. P.S. We, the Talkback contributors, are reluctantly willing to deprive ourselves of the services of a censor we grew to love to hate, but only because of the enormity of the mission. May his demise serve as our atonement. Amen.

"You sarcastically remark that it is amazing that no one understands Arabic" Yes amazing isn't it. "I assume you do" No. "I certainly do, because I worked in the Middle East." Yes, anyone can SAY they do anonimously on the internet. You showed no evidence last we met "However, the US State Department had at the time only a few people who understoon Arabic " So what? Millions of Arab speaking folk live in the West. "and it was not rteally interested in watching the hateful TV programs directed in Arabic to children" These be subtitled by Memri or PMW?

One cannot ignore the unrest that is brewing in the US and Europe. With unemployment growing close to alarming levels, with the possibility that the US dollar could feasibly collapse, the world is heading for rough waters. Big changes are afoot. As a Jew, Biden's comments are not going to help me sleep at night. Also, we have see how skewed interpretation of events can be. Remember the understanding that Clinton and Bush had with Sharon and Olmert about settlement blocks remaining in Israel?s hands? Obama came out and disputed this. So when it comes to defining what a risk really means, the VP's comments give me real reason for concern.

Don't you ever tire of the same old lines, day in and day out? "Israel doesn't wan't peace" "Israel's greatest fear is peace" "Obama caved to Netanyahu" "There can never be peace" And on and on and on, with the same 'ol, boring, inane "twaddle", day in and day out. What's the matter, Mark? Did you lose your copy of 'Jane's All The World's Aircraft', which you used to use every day in order to 'impress' us with the dimensions, speed, range, etc. of everything that flies? Keep one thing in mind for the next 1,000 postings claiming that Obama is Netanyahu's lapdog, and that Obama has 'caved' to Israel. Netanyahu is just about the only leader in the world who Obama hasn't kneeled before. Israel is just about the only middle east Country that Obama hasn't visited. Obama has fallen all over himself with appeasement of the Arab/Muslim world, but has done no such thing for Israel or the Jewish world. But don't let facts get in your way. Just keep posting the same stupid twaddle

This is the mentality which has forced generations of endless rivers of tears and bottomless oceans of blood to drown the holyland with sorrow for thousands of years for which no one has had the courage to break the cycle and as we all know there are a lot of present day Arabs and Arabs who have been dead for thousands of years who hold your opposite view and these extreme views held by both sides keep the whole region on a trendmill of eternal despair killing all hope and burying all the dreams of our children born and yet to be born.. until someone has the courage to say enough and get off the trendmill of eternal despair and say enough?. let us compromise ?we must all take less than 100%? in order to achieve what we really all desire which is peace? would you take 100%of?your land? at the price of your soul and the blood of your children until the end of forever or would you take less than 100% for the sake of our children or do will continue to scrafise children to imposible dreams

And for the record, the 1948 Arab "attack" is the second biggest lie being perpetuated by the Zionofascist propaganda machine. In the 1948 conflict, the Arab armies only went after the Israeli soldiers who were OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL"S UNILATERALLY DECLARED BORDERS. That's right. Israel declared her borders, and the next day, Israeli soldiers were still holding positions in the W. Bank and Gaza, OUTSIDE of their own unilaterally declared borders. Why were they there? One only need to read the following to come up with the answer: In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403)

In first he states that Israel can lives with a nuclear Iran, after that, no need to talk with this wimp and his cohorts.

You think this is a foregone conclusion. And how do you envision Israel being forced to transform into such a state from its current status ? Who will do the transforming ? Please enlighten me.

As NY for finance becomes less viable, the Jews will have to move to a new capital, the New Jerusalem. They have ruined most states where they have "settled", and so it will be with the USA. The only problem is Ishmael's children.

Your illustration shows that there are religious nuts on both sides but that is where the similarities end. If Israel would sign off on a peace deal it would keep it regardless of another crop of future politicians leading the country because Israel is a strong democracy where past agreements are respected despite the risk of assassination for the leaders who may take the risk. Majority of Israelis want a two state solution. Not so with Palestinians who are still in the infancy stages of their democracy and whose leaders have thuggish tendencies stealing their peoples money and clinging to power no matter what. Add to this mix the Palestinian aspirations ? the December 2009 Palestinian opinion survey shows that 59% believe that Historic Palestine - From the Jordanian River to the sea as an Islamic Waqf AS ESSENTIAL. Only crazies can believe that Abbas can take such a risk as to conclude ANY peace deal with Israel.

Jackie, if you're so sick of "misinterpretations of what happened in the past" then maybe you should stop perpetuating them. The biggest lie being carried out in the whole ME conflict is that the Arab armies "attacked" Israel in 1967. The truthful fact is that ISRAEL ATTACKED EGYPT FIRST. Not a single Arab soldier fired at or entered any part of Israel until after Israel launched their surprise attack on the Egyptian Air Force. Jordan was legally bound by a mutual security agreement to help defend Egypt if it was ever attacked, and that is EXACTLY what Jordan did. Learn your history, stick to FACTS, and stop perpetuating Zionist propaganda!!

the question: Will Israel recognize Palestine?

Arabs did not occupy lands in 1948 because they lived there. You cannot really occupy a land when are a native of that land. It is really frustrating for palestinians to hear some Isrealis say that the West Bank was occupied by arabs. Again, if you donot acknowledege that we (the arabs) are native to the land, then there is no way to resolve the problem. Commments such as these ones are racist!!

It is time for truth and justice. It is time for a vision of peace, and what Israel is prepared to do to heal the wounds that separate Israel from its neighbors. It is time to think of our children and their children living in peace. Immediate gratification that comes from more land and asserting domination over the Palestinians breeds contempt and distrust. Settlements have become symbols of oppression. Settlers with their attacks on Palestinians have become the symbols of hate. This is an opportunity to heal. Israel has that within its power. Ben Gurion long ago said Israel would be judged by how we treat the Arabs. Israel can show the world it knows how to achieve justice and build a partnership with those it once considered its enemies. Israel's future can be secured by assisting the Palestinians in building a viable, governable, contiguous nation-state. Economic and technical partnership is a more God-like restoration of Israel's founding principles than land.

Israel needs a partner for peace and i'm sorry to report to our good friend the US, Hamas & the PA are no partners for peace. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango and Israel are standing alone on the dance floor, although all are welcome to keep trying!

is an admitted zionist.keep him-please?

Israeli officials are always asking US officials will the promise of a "joint defense" still applies. I beleives Biden's words should set that Israeli fear aside. How many times does the Israeli leasders need to be reaffirmed about USA's sincerity to "back-up Israel in case of an attack?" Obama continues the long-term pledge to help Israel with her military defense. Obama calls it an "unbreakable bond." If Obama and America is not Israel's friend, I don't know what to say to you are pro-Israel and anti-Obama. Frustration are growing among Taxpayers over the money transfers and the failure for Israel to be grateful for US Mid-East policy.

international law as confirmed by vienna convention on treaties 1920 san remo 1924 mandate 1924 anglo - american convention 1945 un charter 1979 peace treaty egypt 1995 peace treaty jordan unscr 242/338

Biden is an idiot. He is one marble short of a pinball game. Both Biden and Obama have been wishy washy on Israel. It is horrible we are sitting back and waiting for Iran to get nukes in the mean they have blatantly said they will attack Israel as soon as they have the means. What are we waiting for things are going to get worse as we wait and the only person thats going to get us out of this one because of ineptitude is God.

Palestinians ---not Israel. Get used to it. everyone else has.

The strategy of the Palestinians (less Hamas) is so feeble that it needs revising. Should the Palestinians indicate they are no longer wanting a two state solution where does that leave a Zionist influenced state so paranid about it's survival in face of being out voted in the future. Israel needs to get it's act together as only a rigged election will save Mubaruk in Egypt. Remember when Turkey was an ally to Israel. That was when Israel pretended that it could not see Armenians being ethnically cleansed. Competition not always good for a victimised narrative. Whilst the USA is as a mediator the Palestinians will be poised to kick an on goal. Until they turn their back on the USA they will see their lands stolen by unjust zealots. What amazes is that state unable to contol their colonisers is unable to deliver on any agreement. Bibi is an agent for continuing colonisation and unrest no peace.

You sarcastically remark that it is amazing that no one understands Arabic. I assume you do, I certainly do, because I worked in the Middle East. However, the US State Department had at the time only a few people who understoon Arabic and it was not rteally interested in watching the hateful TV programs directed in Arabic to children.

Just as a reminder, for people who were apparently not alive at the time or who have never read the history. In 1948 right after Israel was declared a sovereign state, Arab armies, including Jordan's which was led by a British officer, invaded Israel including Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. In 1967, when the Six Day war broke out, Israel asked Jordan to stay out of the war. Jordan didn't, and Israel won back the lands it had lost to Jordan in 1948. These are the lands many here claim are occupied by Israel. (Jordan controlled them for less than 20 years during which it tried to erase all signs of Jews living there, turning the Kotel into a latrine, using gravestones for roads, demolishing yeshivas and synagogues, many centuries old, and, just incidentally, killing hundreds of Jews living there. I am sick to death of misinterpretations of what happened in the past.

How can any country ask another to take security risks? I can not imagine this scenario in reverse, can you?

Biden is only interested in the midterm US elections this November. Therefore, if the so-called negotiations start now, they can add them to the list of accomplishments that the democrates acheived since Obama's win. Is the US serious about finding a real solution? I highly doubt it. It is merely a game!!! If Natanyahu agrees to any peace deal, his is toast!! He can kiss his PM position goodbye. That is why 99% of palestinians have lost hope in the peace process which started almost 20 years ago.

Israel is the "Occupying Power" ergo does not "GIFT" it to anyone. "CJ - as you may know Palestinian Arabs have no sovereign territory west of Jordan. They will be gifted some in exchange for decent conduct."17 (nameless one) If in doubt--check Case # 2056/04 Israel High Court of Justice--ruled the WB to be held under"BELLIGERENT OCCUPATION" by Israel. But since when do land hungry war mongering zionists like you care about the law or decent conduct, oh nameless one.

territory west of Jordan. They will be gifted some in exchange for decent conduct.

"So what happens if Israelis immediately dismantle the wall, remove all the check points .." And put 'em in Israeli Sovereign territory... Oh...I guess walls and check points aren't effective when they're on Israeli soil. AMAZING!! I wonder why.... Oh... wait....I know.... there's no illegal settlers or illegal settlements to protect. "Sad, isn`t it" Your lack of thought? Yes.

Muslims and Catholics? I didn't know that. BTW is their sovereign ownership in some sort of doubt?

"What to say about that? International governance of mecca, perhaps. And the Vatican??" Mecca is the font of Islam in an Islamic country, as the Vatican is of Roman Catholics in a Roman Catholic country. Why would they need international governance? Jerusalam is a home to three faiths and it would obviously be inimical for one of them to demand total control over all it surveys. Hence international governance is an entirely sensible way to proceed, indeed it's what the UN stipulated in 1947. You see the difference? There are after all rafter more Christians and Muslims than Jews, by a factor of millions, so sharing under an international umbrella is as good as it's going to get..

Both coming at more or less the same time, the American to make peace (if at all possible) and the other, the lady, to personally check out the situation AND GIVE US THE FACTS OF LIFE!

As it will be demonstrated below, the decision by the Zionist leadership to accept the 1947 proposed UN GA Partition plan was nothing but a smoke screen, which was done solely to gain international recognition and support. This deception was a political ploy to gain initial international legitimacy for the existence of the "Jewish state", and this was well known to the Palestinian people. The reader is urged to contemplate the following Zionist leaders' quotes in an open mind. Note that most, if not all, of the quotes below are dated before the entry of any single Arab Army into British Mandated Palestine: * In a letter Chaim Weizmann sent to the Palestine-British high Commissioner, while the Peel Commission was convening in 1937, he stated: "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66) * Ben-Gurion emphasized that the acceptance of the Peel Commission would not imply static borders for the future "Jewish state". In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ..... Our possession is important not only for itself ... through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state .... will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country." (Righteous Victims, p. 138) * In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25) * ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories.

Negotiate a progressive settlement of all the issues or demand everything up front and get nothing. There was no FENCE till the suicide bombers,the FENCE stopped them.Ditto for road blocks.That really upsets you doesnt it? About 10% of the WB will be land swaps. You do want a road to Hamastan through Israel dont you? You want it for free? In your dreams.

So what happens if Israelis immediately dismantle the wall, remove all the check points and next thing you know few individuals from WB go into Israel & blow up something. Not from Gaza, from WB. It only takes a few and unfortunately there are still `few` of those in WB too. As a matter of fact, I bet you it will not take all 4 months for that. Like you have said, check mate. Sad, isn`t it.

What to say about that? International governance of mecca, perhaps. And the Vatican??

and the craven apologists for Arab terror that trawl here pretending it does not exist.

about you other than your use amongst M.E despots for their own political purposes? You provide a distraction from their own corruption.That's where your use begins and ends. If you have any doubts look how they have treated you. Grab the opportunity while its on the table. Refugee?? In listing the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948, Khaled al-Azm (Syrian Prime Minister) notes that "the fifth factor was the call by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries. Since 1948, it is we who have demanded the return of the refugees, while it is we who made them leave. We brought disaster upon a million Arab refugees by inviting them and bringing pressure on them to leave.-Khaled el-Azm, after the 1948 War in his 1972 memoirs.

apologized to the American Indians, Israel will apologize to the Palestinians, it will stop breaking International Law and it will at last go home to it's own sovereign territory. That is what you were trying to say, no?

This is just a silly charade, and all parties know it. Netanyahu will never offer anything that is acceptable to the Palestinians, or even reminiscent of a viable, sovereign Palestinian state. All as the settlements grow larger for every single day. Shame on Abbas for legitimising this foul play.

The Zionists wouldn't block American efforts to pressure Iran. They are cleverer than that. Zionists also know the parabel of the frog and the scorpion very well, so they will never trust us.Peace has no longterm meaning.Annapolis is not binding either not to us not to Zion, not to the USA, their intervention will only make matters worse

Nice to see the US on the same page as the rest of the world, Israel is reading another book as usual.

The Palestinians have agreed to give the US efforts a chance providing there are no gimmicks. The first step is to stop the building of ugly Jewish settlements on stolen land followed by the dismantling of the wall and the swift removal of equally repressive check points. All this must be done within the 4 months timetable. Come 4 months from now and if the wall is still standing, check points are still littering the Palestinian territories and horrible settlements are still being built, then it should be game, set and match. Abbas will have to resign his post and dissolve the Palestinian Authority and declare unambiguoulsy the death of the so called peace process

He thinks Israel can export it,s laws wherever they feel like it. No surpriese from a self delusional illegal settler such as he. Regards

to no 8, paul, i forgot to say that it is time that the u.s. (government) must apologize/ make excuses to the indians for the war crimes commited to them and for the slavery which happened there.

What planet are these arrogant racists from?. What about the non-jewish population. Even Hamas does not ask for an "Islamic State" next to Israel.

"They did so in Arabic, of course, so that no one outside of the region would understand them.." WOW!! No one outside the region can translate or understand Arabic. That's UNBELIEVABLE!! That's AMAZING!!! That's INCREDIBLE!!! . . . . That's TWADDLE!!

Arafat walked away from Camp David and Abbas never came back because Israel was offering the spare tyre of the carit'd illegally acquired in return to keep the rest of the car. "They hope that Israel will keep on giving without them having to give anything in return" Er...it's Israel that has illegally acquired Palestinian territory. The Palestinians have nothing of Israel's.

"Israel had the opportunity to annex whatever it conquered in 1967.." No it didn't. Unilateral annexation was and still is illegal. "...but, they did not want to be the "occupiers"..." If they'd annexed, they WOULDN'T be occupiers. But they can't legally annex, because they ARE the occupiers.

to no. 8, paul. we can also say that the u.s. is the land of the indians, who lived there first. all non-indians, who have annihilated most of the indians, must leave the americas, and go back where they came from or go to the moon, mars etc.

I see, you are getting the the spin, sir. He is not alone here as you may see. This is called `the panic cry` from the perception that Israel `may be winning`. Although I do not know what Israel had won other than the `major settlement blocks` realities are naturally setting in. But they are yet settng in for the major players outside of the Arab League. So you have to ask yourself: Other than the Arab League finally spitting out the permission for the 4 months of indirect talks, how fast & far even on the borders alone can you get in such time. The realistic rational is it may still get nowhere. The usual technique by `you know who` intellectuals from the get go, pulvorizing `clueless Obama conceding to the Israeli peace drenching right` is nothing new. Their usual mantra of predetermined Israeli guilt. There is enough support for such mantra even if Iran orders Hamas to derail the process. Any Pal invisible conning games or blackmail, than Israel is definately the guilty one.

were sold out when the Jewish People's Council accepted the boundaries recommended in UNGA res 181, declared sovereignty over them, and informed the world of their decision. The majority of the world recognized Israel, (over riding the legal objections of the Arab States), based on the information they provided http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#the-big-lie . Your hatred should be directed at those who demanded a separate state instead of Jewish being allowed to live anywhere in Palestine. Now we're limited to actual Israeli Sovereign territory. What a pity. A tiny homeland state instead of a homeland in all of Palestine. That's what you get when you're greedy, now, unclench your little fist and you'll find you'll be able to take it out of the cookie jar.

every time a yank politician visits the mid east, a moment of opportunity for peace arises as if they are the only people capable of fostering peace... well yeah the USA can shove peace down ur throats with their shock n awe shitz...

is the fall that will count--or A Bi National state. The Palestinians have had enough of this grossly obscene facade and are at the end of their tether. Israel has pushed it just about to the limit ---Obama knows this so it is a perfect opportunity for Abbas/Obama to let Israel tie the knot on it,s own noose and kick the stool out from under itself. I like it--it has a certain appeal.And it only works because Israel is fully comitted. Wonderfully ironic. Of course I feel sorry for those like Esther and Zeev /Smadar etc who deserve to have their State.

In the unlikely event of an agreement between Israel & the Palestinian Authority ,it would be impossible to lead to peace because of the opposition of the extremist Hamas. Therefore any agreement that leads to the 2 state solution must be dependent on it being accepted by Hamas. If it refuses ,the World will know who is responsible for the impasse.

....(sorry for the little pun!:), where there will be another round of rather important elections to the U.S. Congress. Even if I share your belief, that Obama has good and honest intentions, there are plenty of people in his administration (and especially his own party), who are scared to death of the "Jewish vote", and will do everything in their might to prevent Obama from getting tough with the Netanyahu governement. So I'm afraid the whole "preparing for the big showdown" thing will remain nothing but wishful thinking, but we shall see.... Regards.

A Palestinian State is coming soon. Better get all the security arrangements ASAP. You're going to need Peace Keepers. Who is the big question? Gaza a hopeless case for the time being. If the PA acts unilaterally it will be a public relations disaster for Israel so I hope somebody in Israel has a better clue than me.

"1924 ango-american convention 1925 is us law . bush,s letter is in line with that legislation 1" Paul harris We are talking International law Victoria---not US law. Go back to sleep--second thoughts ---go home.

It serves the interests of the Israeli government, the PA and Hamas that there not be an end to this conflict. Until there is some interest in ending it, it's all just BS. We might have been able to jawbone the Israeli govt into action, but our (US) effort was too weak, or perceived as weak. So on it goes.

for a big fall. He knows by now Netanyahun is going to stall/stymie/delay/confuse/upend/destroy/fight in any way he can---any attempts at peace. But he, Obama is simply giving Netanyahu all the rope he needs to string himself up from the highest tree so at the end of all this he can point at Netanyahu and say--- "There lies the problem" All based on the assumption that he, netanyahu has failed in his attempts to "Stir up " another Intifada. And those efforts are aslo not un noticed. regards.

It's too early to judge Obama.The first year,he was busy fixing the economy,passing health care and had to play bipartisanship.The realists have understood the implication,importance and urgency to solve the IP conflict.

Sorry, VictorPaul, the Bush letter is off the table and out the window for several reasons. *Bibi just agreed that the basis for the talks is as stated in the last paragraph. Bush's letter is inconsistent. *The letter was never ratified by the Senate, a little quirk of the US Constitution. It bound nobody. *Bibi agreed that Hillary's statement about 67+- with land swaps is a control. If you want a settlement, you have to trade for it. * As the headline says, Annapolis is out. Annapolis was Bush. Bush is out. And he never had the powers of a King. Magna Carta and the US Constitution are no longer quaint anomalies of history.

Johnboy I agree that Netanyahu appears to be winning in terms of getting what he wants from the US. I guess anything else was always unlikely, even if Obama perhaps got our hopes up. Netanyahu needs to be a little careful in what he wishes for. A single state solution will in the end either be apartheid- and so you would hope internationally unacceptable; or most definitely not a "Jewish" state. Secretly he may prefer a secular state, but he runs the risk of a Palestinian majority within ten years. More Palestinian bloodshed on a mass scale probably isn't as acceptable internationally as it once was. So his options are more limited than he might imagine. By the by, JB, keep up the good work.

....otherwise the Obama administration would have reacted in a very different way to Netanya- hus and Baraks thumbing their noses at them over the past months with regard to settlement expansion.

The US "expects both sides to behave seriously, with honesty and in good will because, if one of the sides, in our judgment, does not fulfill our expectations, we will make our concerns clear and we will act accordingly in order to overcome every obstacle." What matters most is how the world sees the behaviour of the parties during the next four months.

labarse reading comprehension and drill 1924 ango-american convention 1925 is us law . bush,s letter is in line with that legislation 1

George Mitchell is not as gullible as you may imagine. And I don't think Obama is as much of a wimp as you may think. A few weeks ago Biden stood up to that blowhard Cheney and shut him up for a bit. Biden is in town to tell Bibi he can't have a free war. I'd guess we'll see in the next few weeks. I don't think Bibi is going to get his US war with Iran. And I don't think Mitchell is going to accept No Peace, Never from Bibi, either. Obama may have more spine than anybody suspects. We'll see. I've been disappointed by politicians my whole life. One more time wouldn't be a surprise. But maybe he won't disappoint.

"The talks will be based on agreements signed by Israel and the Palestinian Authority, including the road map," says the article. And yet you claim that Obama/Netanyahu has thrown out all of the agreements under Bush. You are wrong, sir. Presumably it doesn't bother you that Bush presented Sharon with a letter saying Israel would keep the major settlement blocs, but Obama says that letter is invalid. I guess selectivity is OK for a someone as biased as you are. Your mind is made up, don't let simple facts get in the way.

I am taking the responsibility of making my parents fight because I am thirsty of what they been hiding on me when it comes to their religion believe. I am still laughing as my Jewish mother telling my father that she could immigrate to Israel with all her family and we all will be welcomed and continue by asking him if any Arab nation will welcome us. My father said yes, but we all might end up dead. My mother won the argument.

ML: "The US concedes that NOTHING which was negotiated by George W. Bush is binding." Not so: the Road Map was a Bushie agreement, and Obama has *not* conceded that this is now an ex-agreement. ML: "That Netanyahu has won." He is winning, yes, but he has not won. Note, of course, that if none of the post-Road Map understanding have any *standing* then neither does any Olmert/Bush nudge-nudge-wink-wink's w.r.t. settlements. ML: "That everything is back to zero." No, it is back to the Road Map. ML: "Which is to say that there is absolutely NO hope for peace." Be real, Mark: there was NEVER any hope for a negotiated peace while Likud is the government and Netanyahu is the Prime Minister. That was as true yesterday as it is today.

It is Israel who has from day one plaaned against peace----here read for yourself---now, do read it Zev---the truth will set you free. As it will be demonstrated below, the decision by the Zionist leadership to accept the 1947 proposed UN GA Partition plan was nothing but a smoke screen, which was done solely to gain international recognition and support. This deception was a political ploy to gain initial international legitimacy for the existence of the "Jewish state", and this was well known to the Palestinian people. The reader is urged to contemplate the following Zionist leaders' quotes in an open mind. Note that most, if not all, of the quotes below are dated before the entry of any single Arab Army into British Mandated Palestine: * In a letter Chaim Weizmann sent to the Palestine-British high Commissioner, while the Peel Commission was convening in 1937, he stated: "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66) * Ben-Gurion emphasized that the acceptance of the Peel Commission would not imply static borders for the future "Jewish state". In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ..... Our possession is important not only for itself ... through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state .... will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country." (Righteous Victims, p. 138) * In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25) * ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories.

...the "liberation" of the whole of "Palestine", code word for the annihilation of the Jewish state of Israel. They did so in Arabic, of course, so that no one outside of the region would understand them, but inflaming the situation in such a way is not only "not helpful", it is distractive. But most importantly, it shows the real motive behind the Arabs' moves, thus the demand by Israel: 1. Accept Israel's right to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people. 2. Any peace agreement will have to be concidered as the end of the conflict.

Sorry to say, but you are an UTTER FAILURE, United States foreign policy (especially in the ME), no matter who sits in the White House. And the rest of the world keeps on suffering from your chronical incompetence on that issue.... Please do us a favour and take a break from the ME process, and let the other 3 members of the Quartett (EU, UN and Russia) do the job, you could instead focus on Southamerica, plenty of work to do for you too there, after Hillary Clintons's recent "horror-trip".....

for the rightwing who would have been salivating--up to that point if they read that far into the article. except for "The U.S. apparently accepted Israel's position on the matter, which was to ignore everything that was not signed as part of an agreement." haaretz Bushes infamous letter giving Israel certain rights also goes out the window.

The US concedes that NOTHING which was negotiated by George W. Bush is binding. That Netanyahu has won. That everything is back to zero. Which is to say that there is absolutely NO hope for peace. This is the final surrender to Netanyahu. There can be no denial now. The Obama 'peace initiative' has become the 'Netanyahu anti-peace initiative. There is absolutely NO hope for peace. Bibi has won, Obaman has capitulated. What will the Palestinian response be? Bibi hopes it is an Infitada he can crush. Obama hasn't got a clue what he has done.

Because of all the Israelis who have US passports and all the American Jews and evangelicals pushing for Israel, America simply CAN'T be a fair mediator, however hard it does (or doesn't) try. When push comes to shove the US is always going to end up accepting Israel's position. Really the PA should ignore the US and concentrate on building links with the EU. It's never going to get justice from the US.

Here we go again ! Let's do it again. Netanyahu will continue the farcical process. Stretch the negotiations as usual, add to the settlements, build new ones, wait for hamas to reciprocate by killing innocent civilians within Israel, then drop the negotiations, and as usual blame the Palestinians - in the meantime wait for the exit of Mitchell from the stupid process in disgust, and await the exit of Obama from the U.S. political scene as he loses his bid for re-election in 2.5 years from now. Halleluyah.

Both sides should agree on adhereing to the tenets of International Law. The Israelis declared their state under the auspices of UN Res: 181. It matters not that the Arabs rejected a state along these borders. Israel did NOT reject it. In any case, This Resolution defined the borders of Israel. Netanyhu wants to start from square one. THIS is square one. No need to evacuate the settlements. They just become part of the Pal state. If Israel is allowed to ignore Int. Law then why should any nation be held accountable to it? The right of return is an individual right that can not be negotiated away. The refugees must decide for themselves what they want to do. I suspect they will take compensation which the world would help with. The Pals may be generous and set their borders at the '67 lines but are certainly NOT required to do so. Neither side seems serious about peace. Israel wants more land and the Pals will wait for a bi-national state where they will rule the electorate.

from my father side. Structure and scope of these talks might inflame tensions and prejudice outcome if the Palestinians are not serious. The goal is to secure a Jewish state in Israel before a viable independent Palestine. A Jewish state that includes "recent developments," meaning the settlement blocs after the fact that Israel is allowed to steal more lands before the deal peace is set. Who do you think you are fooling? The war to my understanding is immanent. And the Muslim world does not mind it. It is Israel who is gambling because it thinks that it holds the misery card of the Palestinians people. Israel lost its common sense by believing it could dictate its terms by making animals of the Palestinians people. When a human is cornered to survive that human will turn to a beast. A big war is coming and Israel will join the losers.

Annapolis is non binding, but the Road Map is ? un.org/media/main/roadmap122002.html Government meeting about the Prime Minister's statement on the Roadmap (apparently the Knesset agreed with and passed acceptance of the Road Map) www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/government/communiques/2003/goverment%20meeting%20about%20the%20prime%20minister-s%20state

Israel as a Jewish state, this is a dream that will never come to pass. Either a Palestinian or a bio-national state with the right of return of both Palestinians and Jews or conflict and bloodshed until the end of days.

in making peace with a Jewish country. That is why Arafat walked away from Camp David and why Abbas never came back to Olmert. They hope that Israel will keep on giving without them having to give anything in return and eventually claiming their state without peace with Israel. It is time for Israel to start taking back and massively building and then maybe the pressure will be on them to reach an agreement.

reinvent the wheel. I am sure that will work just fine! Kinda disheartening to see that the US has once again completely adopted Israel's position.

Obama will never stand up to Netanyahu and all hope of peace in the mideast is dead until all palestinians have been expelled from Judea and Samaria because Obama is a wimp. Got it?

there is no doubt that a man who cannot find his own birth certificate cant also find bonding us legislation on the subject of israels rights and borders . isnt that correct mark ?

and no pal state on Israeli ground, the Pals were unable to take a single tottering step on the road: recognition of israel as an inviolable sovereign state of about one promille of the ME. The split of Gaza away from the PLO is the reason behind the end of Annapolis. not to mention Abbas's threats of a third intifada.

Unfortunately Israel must built its future based on mistake committed in the past. Israel had the opportunity to annex whatever it conquered in 1967...but, they did not want to be the "occupiers"...Israel has a bad hand of cards, and it is trying its best. Stop criticizing and adding fuel to the fire. Support your government. Be united. This is the only way to go forward.

Western power have tried since they succeeded to put their hand on Arab and Muslim land to secure a homeland for Jewish in the heart of the Arab and Muslim land without real and lasting success. Since 1979, they had the arab regimes practically subdued and they succeeded to enlist Arafat too. But, the people and the history are not subdued. This Holy Land will remain Arab and Muslim even as long as Islam abd Arabism are not extinct. All the so called peace agreements present and in the making are not legal because they are made with people who do not represent anything, they are not even clean.

right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people. The categorical refusal by the Arab leadership to take this simple and logical step amounts to continuous rejection of the principle enshrined in UN Resolution 181 of Nov 1947 to set up a "Jewish state" (one that upon proclamation was called "Israel") to coexist alongside an "Arab state" (to be called "Palestine"). If the Arabs wish to be accepted as "Palestinians" and set up their own independent state, why should anyone respect their wish if they reject the right of the other, the Jewish people in this case, and refuse to accept its right to do the same...??

It's clear that to reach any lasting peace settlement, both sides are going to have to make compromises. Sadly the desire for political survival makes it hard for anyone involved to make the right decisions. #2 is right that the PA can't be seen to accepting Jewish conditions without risking their lives; similarly any Israeli government that gives up the West Bank runs a risk of losing power (or assassination as per Rabin). To #5 & #7, quotes from the Bible have no validity in this argument because one side doesn't follow it (and neither do most Israelis). We're discussing secular states here. Religion is a personal choice, not a basis for government. Let's have an Israeli state and a Palestinian state, not a Jewish and Muslim one.

the palestinian leadership believe, in their hearts, that israel is a racist occupying settlement that has no legitimacy. ultimately, they can never agree to make peace with it without trying to make that negotiation a process in the destruction of israel. the palestinians (the 'moderates' in fatah) see israel as just like the apartheid regime (yes, they actually believe their own propaganda) and think that israel should negotiate itself out of existence. the easiest way to prove this to the americans is to negotiate ... just like before with bill clinton, obama will discover the truth.

Get back to Oslo, after this juvenile delinquency of the last 9-10 years from both the Palestinians and Israelis, it doesn't matter. Pick up from where it ended. After all its the only treaty that the US approved (related to the Israeli Palestinian Conflict) and you know how it works in Washington, in the Books of Washington Oslo is not dead yet and the accountant have yet to write down this derivative (if it were) before the Clintons can come up with a new one.

Before putting my comments down I read the previous five posted and pretty much everything I wanted to say was said by # 5. Let me add this basic fact. It is impossible to trade land for peace. It must be peace first and then land. How ever the land the arabs want is Jewish land there home lies to the east in Jordan or better yet Saudi Arabia.

Restated for emphasis here: "The talks will also be based on the Obama administration's two statements from the past year: President Barack Obama's speech to the United Nations, which described the goal of a secure, Jewish state in Israel alongside a viable, independent Palestine and an end to the 1967 occupation; and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's statement regarding a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders with territory exchanges, combined with Israel's desire for a secure Jewish state that includes "recent developments," meaning the settlement blocs." 67+- with land swaps (and resources).

DZ: "It is because they know very well that if they sign off on any deal at all they will all be branded traitors and become subject to Fatwas and assassinations by their own people." And yet the first name that springs to mind is "Yitzak Rabin". He was Palestinian, was he?

Israels leaders are suicidal if they think they can give a single inch of Jewish land to these terrorists. Settlers are not the problem, as a Jew has a right to settle in the land of Israel, and Judea and Sumeria are 100% Jewish land {just open your Bible}. If the leaders of Israel give in to these ridiculous demands the arabs will demand everything. They already are claiming that the Cave of Machpelah and Rachels Tomb are not Jewish sites... They will attempt to kill all Jews, which is commanded by their false prophet.

Here we go with another round of merry go round, so far we had a 17 years of Toho V Boho, the Palestinian leadership chasing a dog bone all while Israel is deluded that it can defy history of all previous colonial powers and survive, you steal a whole orchard and offer the rightful owners a single tree.

It is very hard to believe that peace will ever be achieved in this country.I dont see it coming, ever. War and conflict is there to stay as long as land grabbing is israel's policy. Not to be trusted.

And not because they do not want too. It is because they know very well that if they sign off on any deal at all they will all be branded traitors and become subject to Fatwas and assassinations by their own people. Moreover, the status quo is quite acceptable to the PA rulers because they think they are winning.

Settlements and settlers are a destabilizing force. There must be no potential for them attacking Palestintians nor for the IDF to enable settlers.