Analysis / PA: Israeli provocation is cause of worsened security situation

To believe in Jesus is not also to believe in his people! If you have read the bible then you would know that Jesus' people is everybody, all of mankind, no chosen people or duma. It is revolutionary that you don't have to PAY to go to church, your capital worth doesn't affect your standing within the church, so as Jews go on worshipping land, and wailing walls (putting their prays on these idols)they would in effect have again created a modern version of a golden calf. worshiping an idea of a state or land is idolatry as well.

Provocation is never an excuse for the MURDER of innocent people. You may say that Israel too is responsible for the death of innocent palestinians, you are correct and i feel the greatest sympathy for those who die innocently however as you should realise whereas hamas, islamic jihad and the other sadistic killers TARGET innocent people even you would surely admit that any innocent people killed gaza, west bank etc are caught in the crossfire of israeli action. Now if you see a moral equivalence between targeting civilians and that of being caught in crossfire it is your morality that needs to be checked.

Danite and Realistic, It was good to read your posts to each other and a welcome relief from some of the more banal mud-slinging offerings. You both encourage one to believe that these forums can have a beneficial effect. Danite, I too find your posts very informative. Regards to you both, A concerned observer

Realistic - You avoid my calls to respond to post #32 on UN resolution 242. I take it that you have nothing to argue about, and that you agree with the content of it. To the rest of the readers - Post #32 clarifies that UN resolution 242 does not call for Israeli full withdrawal to the 1967 borders. This excuse is irrelevant any longer. Find another excuses, Realistic. On a second thought, maybe even you already understand that we all understand you won't settle for anything less than Palestine between the River and the Sea.

The terrorists don`t want peace with Israel. Arabs who say they do, prefer coexistence with Arab terrorists to any conflict between Arabs. Dutch "Bruce -- You are making too many assumptions that are not grounded in the reality. The terrorists do want peace with Israel and for your information Islamic Jihad has been observing the truce." The assumption is that terrorists who "committ to a truce" (how, by making a promise to the PA and them acting with their permission, or without their permission, to kill Israelis when they see fit?) want peace. If it's with PA permission, the PA has no credibility. If it's without PA permission, their word means nothing. The committment they made to a hudna - was in preference to being disarmed, as was required in stage one of the Road Map. The members of Islamic Jihad are part of a terrorist group - heard of the war against terrorism? Are you saying that members of terrorist groups are free to remain organised and armed as part of any truce? Is this to soften people up for a withdrawal from the occupied territories and the "peaceful" establishemnt of a Palestinian state, while terror groups remain intact to war on the state of Israel people. It is a fact that the PA protests that, it is unable to disarm the terror groups. How then, are they to be dealt with and peace to become a real possibility to occur, without someone doing it for them? Simply note that the withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon, or Gaza, does not result in these groups disbanding. It is logical to then presume that, nothing less than war against any continuing state of Israel is their goal. "If you read the Weekly Human Rights Reports from the territories-you would know it is Israel who has been breaking the truce every day -- and broke it again last week by killing their Islamic Jihad leader. Now that was pouring fuel on the fire and inflaming hearts and minds. That was stupid." You mean you pose a legal and moral equality between terrorist groups, not party to any truce or peace settlement, to those who are. Dutch - This is what the Islamic Juhad spokesman told the Associated Press yesterday: "The Islamic Jihad movement was committed to the truce, and it still committed to the truce, but this truce should be mutual. We cannot tolerate a one--sided truce." Islamic Jihad poses itself as the arbiters of whether the truce is being carried out, when it is not a party to any truce with Israel - but an agreement between themselves and the PA. And they "seem" to act without any reference to the PA. "Let`s not have no more victims. Hope we can agree on this -- at least." The leaders and members of terrorist groups are not victims they are combatants. It's others I am worried about. Those who want peace and who are victims of those who do not.

the tragedy here is that Luay Saadi was responsible for israeli murders his 'friend' majed al-ashkar was innocent - tagged a Fatah activist by Israeli media - does being an activist mean death without trial? the retaliation against innocent israelis was terrible - but anticipated after the ill-timed operation - there are better ways of catching guilty palestinians. what if they were arrested (and i assure you, the IDF and Mossad have ways of capturing palestinians alive) imprisoned and tried by a court of law? would that have caused the palestinians to respond in the manner they did? all those who died have families and friends who will miss them and grieve for them. there is a better way, there has to be

Character!! WHAT CHARACTER?????????????????

Don't worry child. NONE of your infantile ramblings "make sense" No need to apologise kid!

Hey Jake. You refer to Mofaz as that Persian do you. In the light of the statement by your Persian friend in Teheran for the ERADICATION OF ISRAEL FROM THE MAP & the killing once again of innocent civilians in Hadera yesterday afternoon, you should bury your head in shame & find another cause. Closer to home perhaps Oh BRAVE one who, by his own admission, couldn't make it on Aliya & ran away from ISRAEL, back to mommies skirt!! You are dispicable

"The terrorists don`t want peace with Israel. Arabs who say they do, prefer coexistence with Arab terrorists to any conflict between Arabs." Bruce -- You are making too many assumptions that are not grounded in the reality. The terrorists do want peace with Israel and for your information Islamic Jihad has been observing the truce. If you read the Weekly Human Rights Reports from the territories-you would know it is Israel who has been breaking the truce every day -- and broke it again last week by killing their Islamic Jihad leader. Now that was pouring fuel on the fire and inflaming hearts and minds. That was stupid. This is what the Islamic Juhad spokesman told the Associated Press yesterday: "The Islamic Jihad movement was committed to the truce, and it still committed to the truce, but this truce should be mutual. We cannot tolerate a one--sided truce." Thus, i think it is Israel who needs to get serious and consistent. I think both leaders should get together and work things out for the sake of everyone concerned. Let's not have no more victims. Hope we can agree on this -- at least. Dutch

The Arab national strategy in the Arab-Israeli conflict has always rested upon the population imbalance between Israelis and Arabs. In 1947, the Arabs beleived that this imbalance would transform into a straightforward military victory. Since 1967, they have counted on their numerical superiority to provide them with victory, eventually, and through some roundabout means. Terrorism is a we-have-population-to-spare strategy. It appeals to Arabs also, precisely because post-Holocaust Jewry recoils with horror at the loss of any more Jewish lives. However, terrorism is not a winning strategy. It has the same problem as all of the One Billion Muslims strategies. Namely, Assad, Mubarak, et al are not going to jeopardize their own regimes for the sake of Palestinians, no matter what they say. Palestinians need to re-orient themselves, away from the our-faraway-Arab-bretheren scenario, to the our-Jewish-neighbors scenario. At present, they understand living with the Jews as an affront to Arab honor, which must be expiated. There are 2.8 million Arabs and 5.7 million Jews, between the Med and the Jordan. That's what they need to think about.

You might love Jesus but you will never receive his love in return. If you know anything about the teachings of Jesus one thing is a positive....he loved his people and according to all biblical scholars if and when Jesus returns to earth he will go immediately to the nearest Jewish temple and be with his people....you can guarantee he will run as far away from people like you and never look back.

Wake up and see what is happening in Gaza, they are killing each other and it is not the Israelis. Ok,what a fool I am,they must be Israeli agents. Billions of $$$ have been sent to help the Pals in Gaza and Arafat and now his cronies are puting it all into their bank accounts or are they also Israeli Agents. I live on the border of Gaza and I see how Israel is suffocating the Pals by sending hundreds of trucks to Karni,with food, building materials and medicine etc. Now please tell me,where does all this go,because the man in the street in Gaza is not getting it. Now you can bluff some people into believing your lies about Israel,but I have proof with my own eyes. You can call me a lier,but I dare you to deny all this about trucks to Karni and then into Gaza. Now I am waiting for you to prove me wrong. To all those who have never heard about the Karni crossing, it is located on the border of Gaza near Gaza City,which by the way is looking like a normal city,with lots of building going on,where does the money and goods come from, Syria. Karni is a border crossing for trucks to unload thei goods and then loaded on trucks from Gaza to continue on in Gaza. You will also on a map see Nahal Oz to the right of Gaza city and Karni. http://www.templebuilders.com/maps/maphtm.htm Look at the map on this site and go down near the bottom to see Nahal Oz, Gaza & Karni. and you will see where I am coming from and if anyone has proof that I am lying come on and make my day,so I can show those who do not know all the facts,of how Dutch and others spread their lies. I have shown,where I live and the name of where I live, but people like dutch,don't have the guts to give their real names, most people who are haters,unusually don't because they are cowards, and hide behind a false name and I am sure false country on where they live.

Fiona, instead of complaining about returning a dump of an Arab village, why not sit back in the UK sip a bottle of Guiness, and suck on PIG'S FEET. I am sure your ARAB buddies will join you for a mid-night snack from Um Al Fahm , after their Ramadan Fast.

I copied the text of your post and emailed it to my professor. Some of the topics you mentioned most likely were to be discussed anyways,but you brng up good point and Im sure he'll try to work the others in. I'll keep you updated. Once again, I do appreciate and respect your opinions. Even though I might disagree with some, I do respect them and appreciate you posting them on here. It does give one food for thought. Thanks again. FREE PALESTINE!!!!

"Volence as a way of achiving justice is both Impractical and Immoral.It is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all.The old an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.It is immoral it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding;it seek to annihilate rather than to convert.Violence is immoral as it thrives on hatred rather than love.It destroys community and makes brotherhod impossible. It leaves society in a monologue rather than a dialogue. Violence ends by defeating itself." Which is why terrorists die. When terrorists group disband the momentum to peace will be unstoppable. The terrorists don't want peace with Israel. Arabs who say they do, prefer co-existence with Arab terrorists to any conflict between Arabs.

..will do no such thing,,,and someone should tell you..This is none of your business...but you know that already and you just got bored of your knitting....

So let's see. Palestinian drive by shootings. Palestinian attempts to set roadside bombs, Palestinian mortors and missiles, Palestinian hommicide bombings, all the above against mostly civilians, Palestinian weapons smuggling, Palestinian destruction of nose despite of face syndrom (hothouses in Gaza) etc. etc. yada yada yada, and all this is Israel's fault? I don't think that reasonable people of the world are buying it anymore. Mind boggling in all this is that the palestinian people themselve are being used as pawns in the Muslim world and you would think that after all these years someone would rise in the Palestinian leadership and realize that their approach hasn't gotten them anywhere for over 60 years. Time to try something completely different. Like abandoning the notion of the removal of Israel from the picture. Then there might be some beginning point of slow progress. In reality though that is very unlikely to happen anytime soon. So up with the wall and onward with disengagement. No choice. We aint going nowhere.

"A country that constantly terrorizes civilians and sends hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians to detention camps without charge or trial, can in no way be described as democratic." Are you referring to Nazi Germany - there were millions. If referring to Israel - there is no evidence of it. One could say that Arabs in rejecting re-settlement of refugees, is keeping many of their own confined to camps to be provided for on international charity. "I am sure that God will destroy America one day because of America`s evil backing of Israel`s evil policies and practices. Israel has simply morally corrupted America. We have become a criminal country ourselves...morality is no longer important...our new religion is political correctness, thanks to Israel." Political correctness according to the right, who believe in the judgement of the rest of humanity, is to accuse anyone who stands by a persecuted minority of being guilty of some PC. It's called European race identity Christian supremacism.

Where on earth did you hear the "jewish priests" were hiding the scrolls from others? Their are no more functioning jewsih Priests!!! I must say Baby I am always being suprised at the very innacurate views of Jews that many Muslims have, obvioulsy you are not getting the right info. As for the scrolls check out The "Shrine of the Book" Museum in Jerusalem you will see them on the walls!!! Look up Dead Sea Scrolls on the internet you will have pleanty of info. Regards Danite

I think the world should condemn the latest escalation in the violence by Israeli government in the deliberate killing the the Islamic Jihad leader last week and the predictable retaliatory suicide bombing by the group members in Hadera yersterday that claimed the lives of five of their own people and injury some 30 others. What a cruel and undermining government. It's the no partner for peace. Now the operations launched by the Israeli Army and the Israeli Air Force into the northern West Bank and northern Gaza were all planned ahead of time. Shame on them! As Martin Luther King said violence can never be a way to achieve justice. "Volence as a way of achiving justice is both Impractical and Immoral. It is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. The old an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind. It is immoral it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding; it seek to annihilate rather than to convert. Violence is immoral as it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhod impossible. It leaves society in a monologue rather than a dialogue. Violence ends by defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers". Dutch

Your class project is very interesting and I am glad I could be of sevice to such a productive undertaking, and I think your choice of my posts accuratly reflect my views, I would however nuance your choice of material by saying the following.My opinions are directed at getting to two state solution,however I do accpet that Israel keep some 5% ofthe west bank with territorial exchange preferable of the "Triangle area" of Israel,I think that the Old city should be shared somehow,I am also against the "Right of Return",insist that before any deal can be signed the gangs must be disarmed I also belive that the 48 war was one of attempted gencide against the Jewsih people and that the arabs are fully to blame for the consequences and that Zionism is the National Liberation Mouvement of the Jews.You should also understand that my motivation for the two states is primarily becuase I consider it in Israels best interest,it is also just but I am only willing to consider the issue of Justice because the two state solution will do justice to Israel as well. You should also note I condemm totaly any equation of Zionsim as racism,their are some Zionists who are racists that is true, but if Zionism is racism because of that them Arab nationalism wins the prize with golden oak leaves.Why not discuss the issue of racism overall Realistic, you yourself were induced to believe the most notorious anti semitic production of all time was factual, I am totaly convinced that came from Arab sources, you wont admit it but I know it is the only place it could have come from or from some Ayran far right type of group. The Arabworld is awash in the most brute and primitve anti semetism, Holocaust denial seminars are hosted by govts in the Gulf and the list goes on including the comments about Jews by Hamas that go way beyond"hot talk" over a conflict.If you wish to be honest and truly instructive and not a polemisist you should discuss in my opinion how this conflict has generated and perhaps been generated by to a certain degree racism, what forms does it take in Israel and the PA and the Arab world.That would be the postion of a scholar and academic truly un afraid to go where the information leads them.You will also not alienate yourJewsih students and cause hostility in the class by "picking "on one side only and will with justice make them BOTH face certain unpleasant facts, it might in fact bring them together and be a constructive venting session rather than putting the Jews on the defensive when their are things to be said both ways.I look foward to hearing more, I amvery interested indeed. Regards Danite

After the failure of the Arab wars to destroy Israel, Arabs resorted to terrorist fronts - these can be turned against other Arabs as the Lebanese civil war and Iraq show. The UN has reported that there are no "tangible results" toward disarming militias in Lebanon, "including Palestinian groups who continue to receive weapons and personnel from Syria". Also Hizbollah. This shows that, even if Israel withdrew from all occupied territory and a Palestine state was declared, it would still host terrorist groups which would be the means for a continuing "unofficial" war against the Israeli state. Thus the claim of some, that Israel should allow full and free control of Gaza borders (including an air and sea port and rail and road links to the West Bank) to ensure an alternative to conflict, is a trial for the full withdrawal of the IDF from opccupied territory. All while terrorist groups remain armed and willing to use terrorism against citizens of Israel. Why is this? To prevent civil war between those Arabs which want to war on Israel and those who seek co-existence post a withdrawal. Rather they live side by side with terrorists who kill Jews, than Arabs should be obliged to enforce the peace terms of "others".

It's time to cede Houston back to Mexico, and to cede Um Al Fahm to the Palestinian Authority. I am sure Mark Lincoln and Mustapha K.will support this wholeheartedly, as occupation is BAD, IMMORAL, RACIST, yes?

Franzen doesn't know the meaning of his own writing. "The Hamas charter is a matter for interpretation. It expresses a political and social position based indirectly on the Koran. There is no doubt about the Koran itself, but the charter is a political vision. No one is thinking now about changing the charter, but in principle it is not impossible." Huh ?

khan, you live in Canada and your government hardly gives any aid to Israel. A huge majority of Americans are more than supportive of Israel and its war with the terrorists. In US, even American-Arab Congressmem are pro-Israel, khan. Living in densely populated areas, khan, doesn't mean to be caged.

The professor is very open minded to students' ideas. We all have certain presentations and projects. The peace camp, Observer, will be the winners in the next generation. FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!

Hello fellow Canadian. If that is what you really are?? What blank check do you know about that Canada gives to Israel?? Canada has consistenly voted in favour of every negative resolution against Israel by abstaining. Definitely the backbone of a piece of noodle. Yet we pour money into the coffers of the Palestinian Authority only to have Yasser Arafat and now his surviving cronies squander and steal it from their own people. Stop acting like a typical Palestinian-Arab and blaming everything on everyone else but yourself. Jews are occupying your land. Face reality Mike, the West Bank was under the control of Jordan and Gaza under the control of Egypt. Israel defended itself and conquered those territories. However, they want to give it back, but it is hard to deal with so many violent voices. Fatah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and of course the Palestinian Authority. Who is in charge, and who should be in charge?? Stop the blank cheque you say?? Or their will be big Anti-Israelis sentiments. Which is it Mike?? Anti Israeli or Anti Jewish?? I don't see people coming down to your mosque and drawing kill the Arab terrorists on it?? I don't hear stories about Muslims walking home from school and having the crap beaten out of them because they were different or wearing special clothing. Are you suggesting that the Jews in Canada should be afraid of an Anti Jewish backlash if the Palestinians don't get their land back?? I am ready and waiting for you and your kind Mike. I have walked home to get beaten up for being a Jew. I was only 8 years old at the time and really didn't bomb or murder anyone. But the racists and bigots still found an excuse to kick me and steal my belongings. What did I do??? I fought back by learning how to defend myself so that this wouldn't happen again. The next time they came to attack, I was ready. I defended myself and had them arrested. People like you just look for excuses to hate Jews and blame them for all the wrong in the world. Step up to the plate, grow up, and put the blame where it belongs as well, with the Palestinian leadership.

Nothing changes on the Haaretz website. The "terrorist Israeli state" allows idiots like you, "Lover of Jesus" to write such nonsense and garbage without censoring your fiery rhetoric. Obviously this is the language of either a coward afraid to say where he is from, or someone that is indeed a terrorist. Where do these statistics of "hundreds of thousands sent to detention camps" come from?? Probably the "Islamic Terrorists Manual of Doctrine". Lets spew this garbage to little children, all the way up to university level, so we can recruit more killers and suicide bombers. Crack soldiers raid Palestinian homes, terrorize children, beat husbands. Where you there?? You must have been, because your comments smack of the cowardly terrorists that bomb and rocket simple farmers on kubbutzim. Why doesn't the Israeli army observe the ceasefire?? Because there is no ceasefire!!! A ceasefire means, a cease of firing. Your Terrorist buddies don't have any word or honour. How can anybody return land and make peace with such people. More rhetoric and nonsense: " God will destroy AMerica.....because of its evil backing of Israels evil policies. I say to you that maybe God will destroy all the Palestinian authorities benefactors, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Europe, Japan, so that the killers and murderers stop killing and bombing and give peace a chance. Israel has morally corrupted America??? Like America needs to be morally corrupted?? They don't need help. America helps those that it deems necessary. Believe me if Israel was not a credible deterrent to Arab-Islamic radicalism, the U.S. wouldn't support Israel. If the Arabs didn't have oil, the Americans would leave them to destroy each other. Maybe what the world needs is a brilliant Israeli scientist to invent a tablet that when added to one gallon of gas, gives 500 miles to the gallon. That would insure many things and a new global order. 1. The Americans wouldn't need to buy oil from the Arabs, so bye bye money to the Palestinian authority and helping all the Gulf Oil states. 2. The Israelis would become wealthy and have control over this new revolutionary product. 3. All you terrorists would get what you deserve, a solid kick in the butt with no chance to get back on your feet to do it again. Stop hiding under the cover of Jesus, and say what you really are....A TERRORIST THAT KNOWS HOW TO SPELL.

Oh my god. They actually let a bigot like Realistic educate the next generation?

I cannot figure out what you are. Are you Canadian or are you American. You post from Toronto but are worried about American tax dollars and Congressmen. Believe me USA corporations are doing very well with their investments in Israel. Forget about 1967 borders. It's not going to happen. Jordan does not want the Palestinians nor does Egypt.

Let me guess: 30 out of 30 Arabs vote against it.

It seems as though the Palestinian leadership is not capable of distinguishing between Israel targeting a truly bad guy or two or three, and a reprisal by Palestinians against Israel buses and crowded falafel stands.It must be the new complicated math that we always hear about.Palestinian bad guys equal Israel good guys.Oh, and I get it?The Lebanese are so provoked by Israel,especially in light of the Syria Hariree assasination,that Hezbollah points 10,000 missles at Israel from their south. And oh yes...Iran wants to wipe or watch wiped Israel off the map because.....Israel is not Palestine??Israel is not perfect.But Israels provocation is not the cause of a worsened security situation.Israels security situation has never been good.With no thanks to the Palestinian authority or some of their neighborhood brothers......

I am glad you are far away. Lets keep the nuts in the USA.

I agree with you. The fact the Mofaz is Persian is highly significant. Don't let open minded, gracious people, like Danite, intimidate you. There is a place for small minded bigotry. Keep it up and see you at the next KKK convention.

And the Jews say: Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah and the christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths, rsembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allah's curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth" You must be out of your mind Baby. And this is just a "mild" verse. Wanna hear more?

With an open mind I started to read the Quran. But I don't like what I read.

Mona, You wrote "Any person who leaves the beauty of Islam and then writes a book to demean and disrespect it is a liar!I dont have to read the book to say this...". This is what the Ayatollah Khomeini said about the Satanic Verses. So you condemn a book without reading it. Are you also hyping Islam without studying and learning the Koran?

Don't make me laugh Baby!

¨Mona, you don't because you are stuck in desert islam and have a closed mind.

Baby, Tulip's comments were quite valid. You are totally ignorant of your own religion. Please read the Koran before making such inaccurate claims. By the way the almighty is not a HIM it is a HER.

Danite, Thank you for having not objected to me using some of your posts without your permission. We have approximately 60 students in the course. Twelve of those 60 are Arab and about 30 students are Jewish. The remaining 12 are white American, African American, Latino, Asian. I brought up for discussion parts of posts from you and selected others on this forum who contributed intelligent logical posts. I didnt feel that the other posts would contribute much to the discussion at hand : Finding a Lasting Peace. I did bring up how I quoted the forgery Protocols without researching and that I was corrected on that matter by a Jew and an Arab (you and El-Barawi). That hammered home one of my viewpoints that Arabs and Jews can work together to educate the ill-informed about misconceptions about each other. In regards to your used posts, I used one from over the weekend when you mentioned that a two state solution was the only way to get a fair result. That Israel shouldnt expect a real peace if it holds onto some of the more controversial settlements like Ariel. Also mentiioned was when you stated that Abbas does need to do more to reign in the militants, but that Ariel Sharon's actions aren't helping him. Noted also was that Ariel Sharon been deceiving the public about his intentions. Thats what I remember right now. I will try to obtain my notes that I used for that day to better inform you of what exactly I used. I do plan on bringing up the question of whether Zionism is considered racism sometime soon if allowed. Stats: -27 of the 30 Jewish students agreed with your ideas. Especially those of giving up more settlements in an end of conflict deal. -30 of 30 Jewish students favored the 2 state solution, where Palestine is formed around the 1967 lines. -22 of 30 dont trust Ariel Sharon's intentions -25 of 30 believe peace will be achieved in their lifetime. Of the Arabs: -9 of 12 favored the two state solution. Other two figured each person-one vote-- Israel will have an Arab government one day. Another one favored a whole Palestine, with Jewish citizens. -12 of 12 favored evacuating settlments. -12 of 12 dont trust Ariel Sharon. -8 of 12 believed peace will be achieved in their lifetime Of the other students: -18 of 18 favored 2 states based on 1967 borders -18 of 18 favored evacuating settlements -13 of 18 didnt trust Ariel Sharon's intentions. -9 of 18 believed peace will be achieved in their lifetime. A question that was raised was, "To promote peace, what film would you force Arabs and Jews watch together?" Of the films available: 55% Independance Day 17% Schindler's List 15% The Message 10% Guess Who's Coming to Dinner 3% E.T I will find the notes I used for discussion to give you a better idea of exactly what was used and discussed. Your views are overwhelmingly the majority's views, of Arabs and Jews and "others" here. Many of the Arab and Jewish students are extremely intelligent and have such creative ideas. They're all emotional as they have every right to be, but they agree that the conflict will be solved through peaceful negotiations, not through violence. I'll keep you updated. FREE PALESTINE!!!

In America,if you fire someone unjustly,that guy come and blows your head off.Jews are occupying their land and treating them like animals gaged in Gaza and West Bank.What Israelis expect their to throw roses at them. Its hightime we North Americans stop pampering Israelis and give them a dire warninh to behave and go back to 1967 borders and live in Peace as we are paying billions in our tax dollars supporting the unjust policy of all Israeli Govts since 1948.Time has come have to stop the BLANK CHECK and otherwise there will be a big anti-Israelis sentiments and all Congressmen supporting Israelis will be defeated.

...and Epirus is lost. Orquest agrees that Sharon is not interseted in a cease fire but rather wants to put the Pals in a bad light so his gobbling up of the West Bank will not be stopped. Of course, the Pals will never agree to a broken up, cantonized state, so we have here a prescription for an endless fight. I don't know if this is what Sharon wants. Since he tends not to think long-range, every such stupidity is theoretically possible. But what do we learn from experience? Israel stayed in southern Lebanon for 22 years until Barak evacuated the place on the run. A great move, but a "victory"? Israel stayed in Gaza for 38 years. It finally took its settlers and army defenders and disappeared. A great move, but a "victory"? Israel is occupying the West Bank for the last 38 years. We have gone thru 2 intifadas and Orquest's prescription is for more of the same. Great tactics. But leading to what? Long range thinking is a Sharon problem. But the immediate future is too clear to see. Intifada 3 will last thru Sharon's next (and last, the man is getting old) term in office. I hope he has better sense than Orquest ascribes to him.

Tulip I am ashamed to think youre a woman like me and yet read hatefilled and hate propaganda books??? And you have the audacity to tell me I am hateful just cuz i happen to form an opinion about gays! Stop reading hate stuff or you will never know how to love. one woman to another! Learn to get to know us thats the best way to know about islam,instead of reading fiction!we are not all that different. Secularim is alien to us,Islam is about democracy and our constitution should be based on soverinty with God we are only ambassadors of God on earth,all earths and heavens Belong to HIM only. Incase you didnot know,Islamic constitutions in which soverignity belongs to GOD is only in a theory written state,every power should be exercised by the democratically elected leader and the elected assembly.Its unfortunate that most muslim countries today donot possess any democratic values such as west but to say that islam and west can not co-exist is wrong,to begin with islam is a faith and west a geographic entity,there can be no comparison.yes we can co-exist,our values may differ but we are all people and humans and why cant different cultures and lifestyles mingle and live together,isnt that what national integration is all about.

First, Israel must apply international law by pulling out of western bank, permitting the creation of a free and peaceful palestinian state (this will occure anyway, just a matter of time and blood-so bad). Then terrorism will cease by itself, and if not, Israel will get a full legitimity to fight it forcefully and efficiently, with the help of the whole world, including arab countries. Colonization is the mother of all terrorisms. Remember Irgun and Stern group....As long as you occupy by force your neighbour's house, you have to face his resistance by all means. The thieft is always in danger in the owner house. Israel must stop his colonization by the name of god to get the full right to call himself "innocent victim"!

"We have gone thru such a cycle only last month, again with Islamic Jihad people being killed in the West Bank. So this was all predictable. There must be a system to this madness." - Ben Gurion The same 'system' that led the Irgun and Stern Gang into an ever accelerating spiral of terror and repression with the British 60 years ago. And, in the end, the same impetus. Without Arab Terrorism, the Likud's destructive economic policies would force it from power; and without Israeli oppression, the Palestinians would not support terrorists. So, the cycle MUST go on, to preserve the status quo.

The economy is tanking, well we all know Jews are the ones controlling the world's banks so let's blame it on the Jews. Hollywood turns out junk. Jews control that industry, so let's blame them for all the crummy movies. The news is discouraging and dismal. N.Y. Times is owned by Jews so let's blame them for all the bad news while we're at it. When are people going to take responsibility for their own actions? IDF iron-fisted tactics in Gaza and West Bank does nothing to foster good relations with Arabs. Muslims blowing themselves up at bus stops and markets does nothing to promote a peaceful dialogue with Israel and other Western nations. It was wrong for Israel to kill innocent Palestinian civilians. It is wrong for Arabs to kill innocent Jews. It is time to forget who has control of what religious site and being pissed off about it. Organized religion is nothing more than insanity by consensus anyway. Stop trying to be holy and blow up people. The rest of us non-believers would be much happier and safer if all the religious crazies would get a case of terminal constipation and just fade away. By the way the weather looks pretty lousy, so let's blame the Jews. They control the one way red phone to Yahoo, I mean Yahweh, and must be responsible for the crappy weather as well. Peace!!!!!

Any person who leaves the beauty of Islam and then writes a book to demean and disrespect it is a liar!I dont have to read the book to say this. He was weak,his faith wasnt strong enough thats why he converted.I pity such people indeed

Why do you need to point out Mofaz in a Persian? is that connected to his views and actions as is you being a "convert" connected to yours?You rightly object when that is brought up I have even dfended you against that kind of stuff and here you are doing the same thing. I guess when you do it is "progressive" no doubt! Also no comment on the failure of your support for the divestment and boycot racist schemes you have been supporting?Danite

geeez I had no idea they are such lairs,but trust me I can tell you anywhere in teh world army is always the most corrupt and so are politicians! You'd have to be a saint or an angel to be a politician or a military guy and not lie to public,unfortunately angels and saints dont exist nomore.

Whats wrong with calling a man who he is,Isnt Mofaz persian? WOuld you be offended if someoen calle dyou Euroepan? or would I be if I am called an arab or american??? Everyone is proud of their identities!There is no racism in that. rascism would be call someone black or else.

We kill a terrorist and we are told,that they willl avenge for the death of a terrorist that has blood on his hand and Israel is to blame for making him a terrorist and then we are told to ease up on the Pals,because only 5 innocent people were killed in Hadera and these 5 victums,are the cause of their own death.:::::::::::::::::::::: Many innocent palestinians die too,you dont just kill the terrorists,I can never understand the concept of pre-emptive strikes,how can you be absolutely sure that person is going to strike you,dont you think even innocent people are killed,not every single person you kill has to be a terrorist and how about the bystanders and other people who get killed in the pre-emtive strikes,Thats act is criminal! Maybe you israelis should think and come to a conclusion that you can not win any war or in this case peace with the pre-emptive strikes stretegy. If you guys want pals to disarm and act civilised so must Israel and its policies be descent and non criminal also. Nowhere in the world do you go around killing people,you put them on trail!

Abbas should have the guts to tell Sharon. "Us Palestinians do NOT want Bantustans. we want to live in all Israel/Palestine, as we lived before the partition." Abbas should stop negociating as it is obvious there is No partners on the other side. Surely,by now, Abbas should be fed in chasing the Rainbow.

are we to ask the hounders of the house of israel like you for permission to kill an enemy? we will kill the enemy wherever we find him:::::::::::::::::: Oh plz dont stop,Keep killing them,keep letting teh world know how much of a tolerant and peaceful society you have,kill the guilty,the innocent and the in between,why dont you just throw a huge bomb and get rid of them once and for all. But then israel would have no excuse for killings,no sympathy from world community,NO handsome amount of aid from US,no need to keep nukes!no villian,only heroes will exist! Sounds great to me!

An ex-muslim??????????????Oh my God,whats the world coming to! Oh I can never read that book,it must be full of lies and contradictions and hate against my ISLAM. Tulip dont read books which are hateful,Read something nice like The velvet teen Rabbit!

The terrorists are mostly controlled now from Syria and Iran, yet Israel continues to bash Palistinians every time a terrorist bomb goes off. Makes as much sence to come and bash me here in Pennsylvania. You are fighting the wrong people. Arafat is dead.

Javier Name: Gabe1 --- You are right. Perhaps tomorrow I cannot post here. I am not running away. I'll be back asap. Don't be soft to them. Beat them hard.

I will condemn this attack the day I see Name: Joe ---- Have you ever condemned any attack on Israelis? Did you heard when the "Pals" targeted and shot in short range at 10-month-old Israeli baby? Do you condemn it? Have you ever condemned the killings and lynchings of "Pals" by "Pals"?

Levy on Todays Suicide Bombing Name: Yaakov Sullivan ---- From what you say, one would think Sharon planned this terrorist attack.

I think it is a good idea but for Danite. I don't believe he deserves it. He's for dialogue with everybody but when the moment of truth comes he is a brave anti-terrorist. As for Ben Gurion, I don't know what to think. I haven't read all of his posts because I cannot read everything on the board. I am so sorry for what happeñed today and for not having been here. I was out most of the day and heard the news when I arrived home. I love Israel. Long live Israel.

Islam unveiled by Robert Spencer isbn1-893554-78-3 Main question: can Islam create successful secularized societies that will coexist peaqcefully with the West's multicultural mosaic?

do you think that israel should not touch a killer of many many jews?he was found and eliminated.exactly as it should be. are we to ask the hounders of the house of israel like you for permission to kill an enemy? we will kill the enemy wherever we find him.

i have no doubt that you are eaten up by hate for the jewish people and for israel. i can find no other explanation for your hounding of the state of israel. you and andy murray are birds of a feather. selective outrage.why no concern for the tragedies in the world that dwarf israel in their death and misery?

Read the bible, then you will see what God has in store for Israel. There is nothing that you can do to change Gods'mind.

You have once again showed your real face, Yaacov, by calling Mofaz "the Persian". We knew already you hate Israel and the Jews.

why do you refer to mofaz's origin?why persian mofaz?what difference does it make? you write of my twisted mind.it is surely your mind that is twisted.

It's just another Arab trying to use Jesus for his own agenda. He can become a Jesus lover, yes, but then he has to lay off many of his prejudices, and that is very hard for a human being.

You are in for a big surprise. Jesus and Muhammed can not go together. It is one or the other. Believing in Jesus is believing in his people as well, it's the whole pizza and cannot be divided.

Ezrael, the author explains in the book why people like Realistic dismisses it. The writer converted to Christianity, so you as a Jew should read through the Jesus stuff, but I hope you can do that.

What is the difference between an IDF general and a monkey? A monkey can think and IDF generals can't. IDF generals want only one thing, to provoke the Palestinians and Hizbullah so they can respond with massive retaliation which fails totally, but the frier Israeli public actually believes. For years Air Force Commander Dan Halutz lied to the people of Israel claiming his Air Force defeated Hizbullah and he slept well when his Air Force bombed Palestinian apartment buildings killing 11 Palestinian children. BUT it was IDF who left Lebanon and who left Gaza, not Hizbullah nor the Palestinians. People of Israel, your army general staff lies to you everyday and you are fools to believe them. Why do they lie? General Sharon, who failed totally in his Peace for Galilee operation became your Prime Minister. General Shaul Mofaz, whose nervous breakdown rivaled General Yitzhak Rabins, panicked and ordered all IDF bases costing billions of shekels to be blown up in 24 hours, and ordered retreat of IDF from Lebanon after 18 years. People of Israel never believe your Prime Minister, your cabinet ministers, Knesset members and especially your lying generals wnose sole purpose is to deceive you so you will elect them to the Knesset when they retire.

The more I read about it, the more I belive it. It is the 4th ex-muslim I have read on this subject, can't be an coincedence.

Don, You have one of the most undermining leaderships in the free world which few if any believe anymore and you are questioning Yaakov Sullivan--wake up and smell the coffee. Then you have the audacity to tell the Palestinians to get real leaders not terrorists. Well, Israel's terrorists leaders would sweep Hamas in all categories of terror if there was a terrorist Hall of Fame: Begin,Shamir and Sharon.... Dutch

A Hudna is clearly and historically a device Moslems use to gain strength and then break the caesefire when ready for victory. Is that your wish for Israel?A mere Freudian slip?

You can't be a lover of Jesus and hate Israel, the land of his people. Jesus was born a Jew, died a Jew and if you hate us, you hate him too. You are a hypocrite.

Hey everybody,. Wake Up call. Abbas plays the same game as Arafat except that he doesn't fly around in helicopters. Every few months he goes on a round trip abroad. Collects donations. tell s everybody that he wants to stop terror, but he can't. This Charade must end. How many more Hadera Bombings do you before taking action. PA must be abolished. The apparatchiks of PA send back to Tunisia. The road map is in irreversable coma. Set the final fence route. The Rest goes to Jordan with all the Palestinian clans. The King will have a Black september II and incorporate the Palestinians under his administration.

You should'nt be worried about what Israelis think of you. You should only focus on achieving your goal: A palestinian state. You need to learn how to absorb hatred. In U.S.A a man does'nt give a damn what others think of him. He has a house, car, job, money, family, and he's pretty damn satisfied because he focuses on real issues and could care less what his enemies think. Fighting terrorists is one of many real issues that you need to focus on!

terrorist state Name: Lover of Jesus --- The "Pals" have no right to murder Israelis, who are defending themselves from the "Pal" terrorists. You can say what you want, I hope Israel will continue to persecute terrorists till terrorism stops.

"Islamic Jihad and Hamas need no excuses for terror" You are right, Yonatan. I agree with you in the last statement.

Notice how your list of Israeli injustice does'nt include killing innocent palestinians. Target assassinations are aimed at crimminals! While Palestinians only wage deadly attacks against Israelis. Why are you worried about Israel valuing your humanity and giving you full justice? the only thing Israel has to do is to agree on a two state solution so you palestinians can finally choke on it and stop invading Israeli cities with suicide bombings!

There is a solution. Send them all packing to Jordan. Lets throw Danite,Dorothy and Ben Gurion as a package deal.

BLAME THE VICTIM........REAL HEROES YOU ARE. POOR INNOCENT ARABS.......!!!!!!!!

As the Chinese would Say. WHO CARES ABOUT GAZA. LET IT SINK INTO THE SEA FOR ALL I CARE.

You appeaser madam can give away any part of your house,cottage,car or wherever you live to anyone you want.Ariel, Alfei Menashe and all of Judea and Samaria is Mine and my childrens and grand childrens inheritance. And you don't have the right to tell me that I must part with these places. You madam have not been in the army defending these places. My relatives have and are as will my grandchildren.Who made you King and crowned you or even made you Prime Minister. You are a nobody with only arab following ,not counting the Triumvirate. Your ideas went by the board with the fall of the USSR. Appeasement died with Chamberlain or so I thought but I see it is alive and well with Jewish wannabee Chamberlains. Mourn for the Israelis killed today and to Hell with the Arabs.

"What yu call "victory" is unatainable, Sharons goals will never be achieved, unless you are willing to contemplate eternal war to keep the settlement blocs as victory." There was "eternal" war between Israel and the Philistines. That didn't stop the development of Jewish civilization. On the other hand, if Jews give up Jerusalem to the enemy, then you surrender core Jewish values. "Where was the victory in Lebanon and Gaza?" The victory was in driving the terrorist PLO out of Lebanon, depriving the enemy of a crucial base for attack. The only reason the Northern border remains quiet today is because the Arab enemy remembers Sharon's invasion. Gaza was an asset, cashed in at the right time by Sharon to kill the Intefada, and secure diplomatic backing for his seperation plan. "I have yet to see on Likud victory over the Arabs" Israel exists. She is a strong and prosperous country. This is victory.

Yaakov Sullivan,whose is not facing facts? You are

Whose to say that the scenario you ouline is not precisely what Sharon and the Persian Mofaz have in mind? And I think Israel cares very much about what the world thinks aboout it. And it knows that world is starting to put pressure on Israel about future withdrawals now that the patina of the Gaza chapter is tarnishing. The plan is to keep carrying out thosre retaliatory assasinations and keep things stirred up so Sharon will have an excuse to fall back on to the US and the European community. If he went in and wiped out Gaza, which might still be a possibility, the international community would hold Israel accountable and she would be persona non grata. And what will Israel do now in reponse to this terror attack on her civilians in Hadera? What retaliatory action will it carry out? And what then do you think the counter reponse will be. One does not need a crystal ball to answer that question.

Of course Sharon is complicit in this terrorist act! Are you so blind or twisted not to realise what he has done. Where is his timing when he and the Persian Mofaz carry out their targeted assasinations which concludes not with more securty for Israelis but another promise of revenge. This is what we are witnessing today. There is nothing shocking or illegitimate in my charge. Sharon is comoplicit in the murder of five Jews in Hadera, as is the Persian Mofaz. Their timing is such that they know, at this critical juncture when pressure is on them to move in Gaza and on the hilltop outposts, that they need a deflection, a distraction. What do you think Sharon thought when he sent that airstrike against the IJ operative? So yes, Sharon is indeed partially responsible for this murder as he was in Sabra Shatila.

In fact the only people regarded as Palestinains at the time were the region's Jewish population, as the Arabs found it insulting and prefered to be be referred to as Arabs or Syrians.

Enough of your Appeasement ALREADY. Where are all the Israel lovers to answer this Apologist.

According to the article, the life conditions in Gaza have worsened since Israel's pullout. Why do they put the blame for it on Israel, which isn't there any more?

What yu call "victory" is unatainable, Sharons goals will never be achieved, unless you are willing to contemplate eternal war to keep the settlement blocs as victory.Where was the victory in Lebanon and Gaza? I thought the Likud claimed that if only they were in power they would know how to bring victory, I have yet to see on Likud victory over the Arabs except for Camp David with Egypt where the Likud wisely returned the Sianai to Egypt which took them out of the war and so screwed Syria big time and ended the possibility of another major war being launched against Israel, that was a defeat for the Arab rejectionists, it is not for nothing that they were so angry at Sadat.Israel doesnt need Ariel and Alfei Menashe at any cost, rather it must consider the rest of the county too. Victory will come with the creation of a Palestinians state that even if it does not remain peaceful will face liabilities over any furutre agression against Israel 1000% more debilitating than they do now.The benefits to Israel as a whole of a two state solution outweigh by far any attempt at a Phyric Victory over a few dunams more of land, and over a policy that was sheer folly and untenable to begin with. Regards Danite

You are amazingly so full of it. The Jerusalem Post is not a division of anything. It was the region's only English-speaking newspaper and in 1948, with the declaration of Israel's independence, the editorial board changed its name to Jerusalem Post. Same paper, different name. Ask the editors.

Does Abbas really want to stop terrorism? I don't believe so. On the one hand, he claims he is unable to dismantle the terrorist organizations; on the other hand, he complains when Israel is helping him to get rid of terrorists.

The PA isn't really facing the problem. While they don't admit the problem is within them (terrorism and rival gangs), they won't be able to solve it.

dear joe you are conversing with a person who urged the palestinians to attack israeli infra structure,who has derided our religion with all respect - you are chosing some odd bedfellows - but your choice bm

? have you forget the millions killed by the USA veitnam??! Have ou forgotten solid historic facts, the Native Americans or were they looked after by the USA? What about the USA was treating black people fifty years ago?that was hardly the USA you describe As for Israel I"ve lost count Lebanon, kids in Gaza Ramalah

I did not intend at all to disparage you, in fact I defended you in a post to left but not anti zionist yesterday, I might add it is more than you have done in my regard as you refused to backtrack for your comments equating Betar to the Hitler Youth. So before you ask for justice I would suggest you give what you would like others to do for you!Danite

I read with intrest your response of last night andindeed I was rather gratified by it. 'My mission" here was to try to get both Jews and Arabs thinking about each other.For the Jews to get them thinking about the benefits and the need for a two state solution and to the Arabs to begin to see Israel less of a demon but rather as human with the complexities that involves. I am very glad if my posts could serve a useful purpose. If you dnt mind to take a minute I wouls like to know which posts did you use(in general) and you mentioned that most Jews and some arabs found them plausible. May I ask how many of the Arabs thought that way and what was the nature of the opposition to them?I would be interested to know as this type of thing is exactly what I had been hoping to achieve, ie to get both sides to think about moving on life and putting this wasteful and pointless conflict behind us. To make them think about the new vistas available to both if an end can be brought to this conflict. Regards Danite

Yes, it does indeed put a bad light on the Pal enemy when they attack Israeli civilians in response to justice applied to a Jihad terrorist. This shows to the world the terrorist mentality of the Arab enemy. Sharon's strategy is clear. To seperate from Pal civilian population in WB and Gaza by building defensible borders, while retaining Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem and the settlement blocks. To achieve this goal, Sharon employs clever tactics, keeping the enemy constantly on the defensive both militarily (with targeted killing of enemy leaders), and diplomatically (i.e. PR on Pal terrorism, and terrorist groups participating in elections). Indeed, while Arab terror continues, no one will listen to complaints on Sharon's border/wall. Meanwhile, time is ticking, the wall is building...

If Israel is so cruel and are a terroist state,I have one question to all you Israel bashing,spreading lies and tuning facts around etc, the question is: If Israelis a terrorist state,why risk our soldiers lives and our citizens lives under threat of terrorist attacks,like today in Hedera,why don't Israel just go in and wipe out Gaza,it can be done and would be done in one day and Israel would not care what the world says,because that is the way terrorist act and care about what the world says? Long question with a lot of answeres. Just answer the question and drop the Israel is to blame and Israel is a terrorist state bull, and get real.

sullivan accuses sharon of almost planning the murder of five jews in hadera.together with the maiming of thirty other innocents.this despicable piece of writing reflects only too well on the character of the writer.

Actually Dutch G-d did give specific instructions on what to do with amalek and the other tribes that sacrificed children, but the ancient and modern israelis refuse to follow those difficult instructions so they have a "thorn in their side". Many believe eventually G-d will Israel to.

Everyone is so busy blaming one another that they are missing the big picture. The Creator's plan was for us all to love one another. We must all work together and look to our creator for our daily needs, and to give God the praise and glory He so rightly deserves. Jesus gave us all the greatest gift one could possibly give through his selfless act. What do we do? Go right back to our own selfish ways. Don't forget, we don't belong to this world, and this world doesn't belong to us. People killing each other for land that doesn't even belong to them. Stop looking for others to blame for our own selfish desires and take a good long look in the mirror. Time is almost up, and if you do not change, you will inherit a very HOT piece of property for all eternity. Jesus is at the door...

I will never love this terrorist entity. All I have to read is the New Testament and watch CNN Prime Time to know the truth about this Israel of yours. Maybe you should read "the Zionist connection" by Alfred Lilienthal (a Jew), maybe then you will hate Israel.

What am I happy about?. I am an Israeli and Jew,and I am sick and tired of being blamed for everything gone wrong. We kill a terrorist and we are told,that they willl avenge for the death of a terrorist that has blood on his hand and Israel is to blame for making him a terrorist and then we are told to ease up on the Pals,because only 5 innocent people were killed in Hadera and these 5 victums,are the cause of their own death.

Today's bombing in Hadera, if repeated, will have the majority of Israelis begging Sharon to level "Palestine" to the ground. While this may be politically "good" for Sharon, I don't believe that he personally enjoys seeing Israeli casualties. But he never allows personal sentiment to stand in the way of a political opportunity. It ought be evident to Islamic Jihad that there is no more international support for terrorism, except for that which comes from Iran and Syria. (And, maybe not even Syria. Can Assad possibly want another confrontation on his hands right now? IDF planes buzzing Jihad headquarters in Damascus, eg.) What can they gain from Iran, that is worth the price that Palestinians will have to pay?

Can you just copy and paste without putting all the "........" in there? Nobody can make out what your posts are trying to say. Thanks buddy. FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!!

Eid said: "American and Isreali have committed more terror acts than the whole arab and Islamic world together"..............Wrong....................................1) Bangladesh-Pakistan Genocide in the Civil War were 2.5 million Hindus were slaughtered 900,000 Buddahist and 200,000 Christans...Robert Burns in his book "The Wrath of Allah" states "the mutilations was disgusting--eyes gouged out,pregnant women disemboweled, male gential cut off...."...............................................................2) Alergian 2nd Civil War Barbar vs Arab has claimed 1.5 million lives...................................................................3)a). The Sudan Arab vs Southern Christians and Animist has claimed 3 million lives. b) Dalfar... Arab vs black Moslems has claimed 750,000 lives....................................................................4), Iraq vs the Kurds............gassed to death 200,000 kurds..................in Iraq/Iran war consumed over 3 million lives...........................................................and and..............................................................how many did all the isreali wars claim? ahh yes less than 15,000 lives.........................Twaddle on in that Arabrian Fairy Tail

There are some tough nuts to crack. However keep in mind that many other read the posts. I believe in common sense. People are no fools, they basically want to know the truth. Let's do what we do the best we can. It will have moderate contribution to harm terrorism and evil.

Khalid, Have you converted to Christianity ? Did you move to the US ?

"The Hamas charter is a matter for interpretation. It expresses a political and social position based indirectly on the Koran. There is no doubt about the Koran itself, but the charter is a political vision. No one is thinking now about changing the charter, but in principle it is not impossible." Can you explain me what this means? - Because I do not understand those empty words.

Apparently, Sharon is not interested in a cease fire with the Pals. The assasination of an Islamic Jihad commander had a predictable effect: Qassams from Gaza and now even a suicide bomber in Hadera. We have gone thru such a cycle only last month, again with Islamic Jihad people being killed in the West Bank. So this was all predictable. There must be a system to this madness. One can only speculate, because Sharon always keeps his motives to himself. I suspect Sharon wants to display before the entire world the impotence of the PA so that he can avoid any need for diplomacy with them. Crazy, but may be true.

Jews condemning assassinations, demolitions, illegal confiscations of land to build walls to imprison the natives, illegal settlement activities and illegal collective punishment measures against the masses. I can understand Abbas giving lip service to continue this maccabe charade created by Israel, whereby they create terror and people are supposed to empathize of it's consquences ONLY WHEN VICTIMS ARE JEWS. It's not for Israeli consumption but to keep Zionist Occupied Government in Washington off it's back. I have been posting here for awhile now how the Sharon can't continue to assassinate people like it's a kosher turkey shoot and not expect retaliation of some kind and sure enough that day came today. There is an easy answer to this madness, it's not to continue with this charade, where Sharon assassinates, Palestinians retaliate and the routine public condemnations follow. It has to start with genuine desire of Israeli's to END THEIR RULE OVER PALESTINE POST 67. It all starts there and it all ends there. Anything in between is more of the same. You can't have expanding settlements and express to us YOU DESIRE PEACE? You can't have daily tanks in our backyards and tell us you WANT PEACE? You can't have daily assassinations and convince us YOU CARE ABOUT JUSTICE? You can't have brutal collective punishment measures and convince us YOU VALUE OUR HUMANITY? The end result of these actions should become apparrent to all by now, yes, people get killed, but this time they happen to be not Palestinians for a change.

Thanks for the info.I read a review or two and it seems a very interesting book. Realistic has already dismissed it.It doesnt meet his high standards!!! The author attained a higher level of knowledge of Islam than anyone on this forum probably ever could. So he should not be so easily dismissed. Many thanks. Shalom Ezreal.

with regards to franzi you ask stupid questions you get stupid answers the swede runs a highly anti semtic forum where some of the most disguisting of articles about jews and israel have been written you could have asked a tree and got a better reply - the drek has zilch knowledge of the mid east bm

everyone keep on going on about how terrible theArab world is, what about what America did to the native Americans, what about veitnam, what about America lying to the world that there are nuclear weopons in Iraq and going to solve the problem costing 1000's of lives????? America and Israel have commited many more terror acts than the whole Arab and Islamic world put together.

Here we see the depth of the moral bankruptcy of the Palestinians and their supporters: "President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the suicide bombing in Hadera. "It harms Palestinian interests..." Not because it's wrong. Not, G-d forbid, because some Arab might ever say thay killing Jews is not right, just because it harms Palestinian interests. And, for balance, we have Saeb Erekat, who delivers himself of this profundity: "We condemn this attack in Hadera, as we've always condemned suicide attacks on Israeli civilians." Leaving a loophole large enough to drive an explosive-laden truck through, to attack any Israeli in uniform, whether in Israel or the territories. This is the dreck we have to deal with in the PA. The moderates, mind you ... or perhaps they all sit on the same board of directors, playing good cop-bad cop with the West

"The Hamas charter is a matter for interpretation. It expresses a political and social position based indirectly on the Koran. There is no doubt about the Koran itself, but the charter is a political vision. No one is thinking now about changing the charter, but in principle it is not impossible."

Realestic said: "The Palestine Post......(was) another...hypocritical idea by Palestine deniers"..............Here for all to read is the history of the "PALESTINE POST" a JEWISH NEWSPAPER........................................................................................................The Palestine Post (was founded by Gershon Agow) as a Jewish historical newspaper in 1932. The Palestine Post was published in Palestine under British "PALESTINE" (where the newspaper took its name from) occupation authority from 1932 and in Isreal till 1950 in English. In 1950 its names was changeed to the Jerusalem Post (from where it was published),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,www.en.Wikipedia.org/Palestine Post...................................................aah gee whiz at least know something before you post your twaddle

This is exactly the response Sharon wanted to see, exactly. He knew when he went in with the targeted assassination that there will be another attack. That pattern was established for all to see. And you can rest assured that this recent terrorist action in Hadera will serve as Sharon's excuse for moving back on todays statments on the opening of Rafah. This is cause and effect and Sharon has planned it accordingly as he has been doing for years. Mofaz has just as great a responsibility for this murderous action in Hadrea as do the terrorists who carried it out.

To Lover of jesus For close to 2000 years in the name of Jesus the Christian world was terrorizing the jews. starting with the Charles the Greta in france who put Jews in Ghettos and made wear "yellow star" (It wasn't Hitler's invention after all),to the murder of jews by the Crusadres on their way to Jerusalem, to blaming the Jews for the Black Plague, tthrough the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal through pogroms in Eastern Europe, culminating with the Holocaust with encouragement and of it by Hitlers Pope. And now the Lover of Jesus calls our sons and daughters terrorist because we defend ourself. Speaking iof hipocricy. Here you see it reading the comments of the Lover of Jesus.

'You know that theyre gonna keep "talking tough" to make it look like theyre not giving into the PA and Israel. It`s obvious its just a PR stunt.' Hamas murdered hundreds of innocents. Fro you, Realistic, running an organized campaign to mass murder as many innocents as possible only because their passport reads 'State of Israel', is merely a PR stunt. Thanks for clarifying that. To all those who still didn't know what you stand for, now they know.

You say the Koran speaks fondly of the Jews. Read it closer; it also says that in the end of daysjews will be hiding behind trees and must be killed. thats only one example. what can one expect from a barbous peolpe founded by an illiterate camel driver. Lets face it, if it were up to the arabs, we would all still be living in huts. Its amazing to me that in history that the arabs were once considered the cradle of civilizaion; now they are just babies in the cradle devoid of reality and everyone elses place in this small planet. Free you mind not palestine!!

Why should the Pals accept responsibility? Who in the entire world holds the Pals responsible for anything they do? Usually, Israel somehow gets blamed. You know, like it was Israel's fault the Pals destroyed the former synagogue buildings in Gaza. Until the Pals are held responsible for their actions by others, nothing will change, and there cannot be peace.

Taken in part from "Country Reports on Terrorism, 2004"., United States Department of State, April 2005............................................Eip said: "...Isreal created Hamas"....wrong ....................................................................................History of Hamas: (Its an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawima al-Islamiyya or the Islamic Resistance movement.)........................................Hamas is an offshoot of the "Muslim Brotherhood", established in 1946 in Gaza. The Palestinian Muslim Brootherhood was a quiescent force whose main goal was a reorientation of Palestinian society to religion. The Brotherhood had relatitvely little to do with the fight against Isreal, though individual members were active in arms smuggling during the Isreali War of Independence. Various group, were fromed out of members of Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood. In the West Bank one group was lead by Hiizb ut Tahir and in Gaza in 1967 Ahmad Yassin' Mujama (established in 1973)established as a welfare charity of clinics, kindergartens and education. At this point following 1967 War Isreali civiliian administration of Gaza encourged Ahmad Yassin's MUJAMA to apply for registered charity status in 1978 and was indirectly (3rd country donations for health education and welfare) funded by Isreal for WELFARE of people living in Gaza. Ahmad Yassin in 1987 or early 1988 with Muhammed Shama, Dr. Mahmud Zahar and other founded HAMAS. In early 1988 The Hamas Chater was published with its anti-Semitic and uncompromising in its goals of riding Palestine of all Jews by genocide. Thus it only true that Isreal help fund Yassin's Mujama but it did not fund or help to found Hamas.

Oh we are trying very hard to blame Israel for everything,but then again Israel is definately to be blamed for everything,everything that goes wrong. are you happy now!

How's it going tulip I like the sound of the book,can you elaborate what the book is about?? why would lover of Jesus (p.b.uh) be no longer lover of our Prophet? Does it say disrespectful stuff about christianity??If it does I wouldnt want to read it. I just want to know because I dont want to read any book which mock any religion be it mine or yours.

You know that theyre gonna keep "talking tough" to make it look like theyre not giving into the PA and Israel. It's obvious its just a PR stunt.

May we have your opiniuon on the latest fresh confirmation on what the struggle is all about? '...Hamas regards these borders [1967] only as a stage in the struggle, which will be decided by a change in circumstances. Some Israelis think when we speak about the West Bank and Gaza it means we have given up on the historic war and this is not the case."' http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/637755.html

El-Birawi mentioned it last night, but the Jerusalem Post newspaper, is a division of the Palestine Post Inc. Thas another example of hypocritical ideas by the Palestine-deniers. Found at their website... All materials copyright 1995-2005, Palestine Post Ltd FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!

Realistic: `Resolution 242 in 1967: Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict (the Six Day War)` Joe: Before I start my response, let me just point out that in resolution 242, the resolution that serves as the basis for any peace negotiations in the Middle east, the word `Palestine` or `Palestinians` is not mentioned even once! Your insistence on resolution 242 is what I meant when I say that Arabs selectively chose what they want after they reinterpret it, and ignore their obligations. While Israel is to withdraw from territories (not THE terrtories, not ALL territorires, just territories), Arabs have to end belligerence. How about that part, ealistic? Why do you ignore that? - I`ll remind you that the PLO first recognised resolution 242 only in 1993!! - so 26 years of occupation were totally waisted by the Palestinians. Realistic: 'Side Note: Res 242, which Israel tried so hard to "rewrite" its meaning, is simply GET OUT OF OCCUPIED ARAB TERRITORIES IMMEDIATELY! Nothing more, nothing less...sorry Israel :(' Joe: The one who pretends resolution 242 says what it doesn`t is the Arab side. You guys behave as if Israel is to withdraw from ALL territories, whereas even you mentoned that that word is absent. Secondly, you simply ignore the demand to end belligerence. 28 years ago, Egypt`s preseident came over to Jerusalem, declared `no more war, no more bloodshed`, and within two years he signed on a peace agreement that satisfied him. 12 years ago, Jordan King Hussein went to the White House, and declared that `the state of war between Jordan and Israel is over`. Whithin a year he got himself a peace deal. End belligerence, as per resolution 242, Realistic. Good chance the Palestinians will get peace too.

Yes, never take the blame for anything,blame Israel for a all problems. They want a state of their own,then maybe they should start acting like they are heads of state and not heads of a terrorist organstion.

HOW PATHETIC AND VICIOUS THESE PALESTINIANS ARE. ALL THE ANTI-ISRAELIS HERE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF TODAY'S VICIOUS ATTACK. THIS IS THE TERROR THAT ISRAEL SEEKS TO PREVENT. I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO DEAL WITH SUCH FANATICS. IS THIS FIGHTING OCCUPATION? BLOWING UP IN A CITY WITHIN THE GREEN LINE? HOW WOULD ANYONE TRUST YOU PALESTINIANS?

Come on, I had to ;) Dont worry we all make mistakes like that. I retardly even cited the "Protocols" in a post, before learning that they were forgeries.Yeah I felt like a jerk when I found how cruel and false they were. But low and behold, they let me have it and rightfully so. Tulip... that book you keep mentioning. I have to say that I'd be extremely wary of it. As in the Holy Koran there only mention of Jews and Christians are found in the form of respect as "People of the Book". There is in no way any derogatory statments or "calling for Jihad" against them. The calls for Jihad are against the Pagans (who are idol worshippers, non-believers in G-D). So please, cite books with extreme caution. They might be an "interesting" read, but I think it should be taken as science-fiction rather than factual. Remember, its published with it's extreme views so more people buy it, and the goal is profit. If not, they'd be giving the book away free to the masses. Hope this makes sense. FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!

Hi guys, in case you have noticed, in my posting to Ezreal I sign with Betty. Do not hang the flag out, for I am not Betty, but she is a Dutch friend of mine and we are having an extensive msn chat at the moment and without thinking I typed her name, with my head still in the chat. This Betty has nothing to do with my postings on Haaretz and is not responsible for my opinion.

Shalom Freedman, are you advocating for the transfer of the Palestinian population by your hope that they "Leave in Peace"? Thats a very dangerous and unethical declaration on your behalf and you should retract that immediatly. You've lost all credibility on this forum. Shame on you if thats your true intention. FREE PALESTINE!!!!!

Ezreal, I understand your frustration and therefore your summing up of other atroceties, but the book i recommended for Lover of Jesus to read, might be a good book for you to read as well, to learn why Lover of Jesus hates you so much. It's a waiste of your time to sum up China etc. details. Take a deep dive into the Muhammed of Mecca and of Medina and you will find your answers. Regards, Betty

It will be hard for the people that called those that allowed for the PNA to have an armed Security Service: "Oslo Criminals", but it will be seen as allowing for the Egyptians to arm them...."nothing to do with us". Rather everything to do with "them". That Abbas will get his arms are already a done deal, the matter is just how to present it without Sharon's Junta looking like a bunch of utter hypocrits. Now that's a task for men. Assassines assassinates, thus the epithet Assassines. Now if Sharon were to attack a rally of Hamas supporters meeting for a election rally, the Security Forces of the PNA should protect the people. That situation isn't that far of. So by giving arms to the Security Forces it should be known that they are there to protect the Palestinians against violence from any quarter. Darn Egyptians.

Shalom Freedman-- It seems to me everything you accuse the Palestinian people flies back in your face like a boomerang. The Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat is absolutely right when he says the Israelis are killing the peace efforts with their undermining the peace efforts: "While we are focusing efforts on the peace process , the Israelis are busy with assassinations and arrests". Anyone who reads Weekly Human Rights Weekly Reports from the Territories knows that's what the Israel Army are doing daily in the territories is creating a war culture with their death and destruction and arbitrary arrests. What Mr. Saeb Erakat forgot to mention was the outrageous air strikes the IAF have been carrying out over Gaza in response to some homemade rockets by Palestinian militants which have no more than a six mile range. They are no competition for the 21st century war planes which terrorizing the skies over Gaza and shatter glass as it breaks the sound barrier. If this isn't disturbing the peace I don't know what isn't. Indeed, I feel this is the face of terror itself. How can anyone in their right mind expect the Palestinian militants to cooperate and give up their weapons with all this unrest going on around them. Then Israeli officials have the audacity to blame the Palestinians and call them weak for being unable to contain the confusion and unrest they have stirred up-now if that's the Israeli syndrome for you. Not to mention the Israeli Army are the unlawful aggressors in the territories since 1967 and have no business whatsoever infringing on Palestinian life under UN 242. They should have been long gone and should be booted out. Perhaps Israelis can get away with calling themselves the chosen ones but God never left specific instructions that their security needs or anything else should supersede their neighbors. It's time to stop blaming the Palestinians and take some responsibility for Israel's actions in the territories. Indeed, t think it should all be all reflecting back like a boomerang. Dutch

The unfinished battle, Islam and the Jews, by Mark A. Gabriel, PH.D. Former professor of Islamic history at Al Azhar University, Cairo. ISBN 0-88419-956-8 This book will open your eyes and you will no longer be a lover of Jesus, but also of Israel.

Shalom Freedman-- I think you need to take a good look in your mirror to see the real picture or perhaps your mirror doesn't reflect and that's the real problem here. But it seems to me everything you accuse the Palestinian people flies back in your face like a boomerang. The Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat is absolutely right when he says the Israelis are killing the peace efforts with their undermining the peace efforts: "While we are focusing efforts on the peace process , the Israelis are busy with assassinations and arrests". Anyone who reads Weekly Human Rights Weekly Reports from the Territories knows that's what the Israel Army are doing daily in the territories is creating a war culture with their death and destruction and arbitrary arrests. What Mr. Saeb Erakat forgot to mention was the outrageous air strikes the IAF have been carrying out over Gaza in response to some homemade rockets by Palestinian militants which have no more than a six mile range. They are no competition for the 21st century war planes which terrorizing the skies over Gaza and shatter glass as it breaks the sound barrier. If this isn't disturbing the peace I don't know what isn't. Indeed, I feel this is the face of terror itself. How can anyone in their right mind expect the Palestinian militants to cooperate and give up their weapons with all this unrest going on around them. Then Israeli officials have the audacity to blame the Palestinians and call them weak for being unable to contain the confusion and unrest they have stirred up-now if that's the Israeli syndrome for you. Not to mention the Israeli Army are the unlawful aggressors in the territories since 1967 and have no business whatsoever infringing on Palestinian life under UN 242. They should have been long gone and should be booted out. Perhaps Israelis can get away with calling themselves the chosen ones but God never left specific instructions that their security needs or anything else should supersede their neighbors. It's time to stop blaming the Palestinians and take some responsibility for your Israel's actions in the territories. It should all be reflecting back like a boomerang. Dutch

I agree wi th #9 Israel inflicts just as much and even more terror onto the Palestines as vice versa. Israel is expecting the PA to disarm yet when PA soldiers walk in the street they ar eshot by the IDF It is also my belief that orginally Isael created Hamas to combat the PA but then they both turned on Israel.

Is it just me or am I the only tired of the continued Palestinian whinning. Like another writer wrote, all the arabs do is whine and blame others. Now Iran is holding a world without zionist convention. How great a nation was that 1,000 years ago to be brought this low. If G-d wnated islam to spread why is the Ottman empire dead and we Jews still standing. We (Isreal and the Jewish people) need to return to the glory of King Solomon with todays modern ways.

"I am sure that God will destroy America one day because of America`s evil backing of Israel`s evil policies and practices". Only I am planning a trip in the near future and would be willing to postpone it if you have any insider knowledge on the exact timing of this comeuppance. Of course there could be other reasons to destroy America,like its pathetic comedy shows which now dominate UK TV and their Burger chains which contribute to obesity worldwide. But since you are on the inside track, so to speak.When do you think he will destroy Saudi Arabia for its promotion of Wahaabism which now justifies hundreds of dead and mutilated in Iraq every single day. And when will God destroy Syria for its massacres of opponents in Syria and Lebanon for the last 25 years and its institutionalised use of Torture for political opponents. And will he still have time to destroy Sudan for its unsurpassed Arab butchery of Christians and blacks. And what of China who massacred 10000 students engaged in a peaceful protest for democracy in Tinamen Square. And Russia for its brutal and genocidal attacks against Afghanistan and Chechnya where literally millions have died. And what of you who overlook all this in order to concentrate on the the biggest evil of them all? Israel. Is Israel responsible for your moral corruption too?

Many readers on this site no doubt will claim, are claiming that the Palestinians only know how to lay the blame for everything that happens to them at the feet of someone else, never themselves. If this observation is correct, then one has to admit that it hardly applies only to the Palestinians. If one holds Israel accountable for its role in the ongoing violence in the region, one is greeted with much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. How dare we!!, is the retort. How could any sensible person think that Israel does not operate out of its own security and only that? I would like to coin a new term to describe the culture of the region- a "brat culture", a culture similar to that on an urban school yard, where one bully beats up on another-one with a sense of arrogant entitlement, the other,out of a sense of rage and retaliation. It seems that the bully on the block feels it is in its own interest to keep up the level of rage rather than work to assuage it. Tit for tat, targeted killings, communal punishment and nightime raids are offered as legitimate responses to attacks on Israeli civilians. There is a lull in attacks against the colonists or their military defenders? Well, then stir things up a bit and carry out an attack from the air and get that Hamas of Islamic Jihad leader. And the response from the other side? Well, one doesnt have to use ones imagination. If only Wolfensohn would be given the power to act as referee who could get the two sides to agree to a hudna and get Israel to really commit to improving the situation in Gaza rather than doing all in its power to make econimoc advancement as difficult as they are doing. but with this suggestion, will undoubtedly come the response that this is just another example of Israel bashing, of blind denial in recognising all that Israel is doing to pursue peace. Actions speak louder than intentions and the actions of the Persian Mofaz as he orders the noose to be tied even tighter around the neck of Gazans are the loudest of all and will allow him to keep his hand on the big stick to make sure that things in Gaza are as ugly as they have been under his watch.

Calm down, pal. Don't worry too much. after Afghanistan and Iraq, will come the turn of Syria and Iran. Then the Palestinians. Imperialism of Islam, spread through terrorism, will fail. And then, Jesus Lover, both Christians and Jews will be able to live their lives freely without the constrant threat of 'convert to Islam - or die'.

"The Palestinians do not and will not take responsibility for their own internal divisions, their own reluctance to decide firmly to compromise and leave in peace with Israel." Is that 'live in peace', or 'leave in peace'? P.S. If, as you say, Jews "always blame themselves even when they are not to blame", how do you explain all the hubbub about anti-Semitism 24-7-365? No, I think Israelis and Palestinians both immerse themselves in victimhood. How many foreign dignitaries kowtow at Yad Vashem? Before anything else we have our faces rubbed in victimhood and hence we all become victims. No wonder there is no progress. We're living in the 19th century, worrying about the 20th, and turning the 21st into the 7th.

It's rather amusing to read this. Many of us have been saying this for a long time. This civil war was set in motion the first time that Israel did not respond with overwhelming force from a terrorist attack. Many here called us racist, bigotted, war criminals and war mongers for stating this fact. Now it has come to fruition and it's all Israel's fault? Totally bogus statement, the PA needs to stop making excuses for not doing a damn thing about terrorism and stand up and prove to Israel and the world that they can act like a nation. It hasn't happened yet, but if they fail (which I know they will) then the civil war will happen and it will be their own damn fault, not ours. All of the provacations have been on the Arab side and they need to end them.

What if the western media in Europe, the USA and Canada stopped mentioning the Palestinian blame game? That story is, quite frankly, boring and unconvincing. No one now cares. The next PR game is to be won on results. As far as outsiders are concerned, the PA now has land and western money. They should stop whining and start building, as sponsors will want to see roads, hospitals, homes and community centers within a 2-5 year timeframe. Money that is given can be withdrawn as local concerns in the west become more pressing.

the pa has done nothing to disarm any of the 10's of thousands of armed men roaming the streets of gaza (and the west bank) there is no onus on isreal to support a lawless area such as gaza you can blame whom you like,you are not under threat. bm

When Palestinians do the math, the sums always come out the same: more war. It's clear that we are near the end, in terms of what Palestinian society can survive.

what a repulsive loathsome mean minded statement to make. west ham has contributed nothing wothwhile to this site.the american tax payer pays a part of israel's arms bill. if the usa did not supply egypt israel would not need the quantity of arms it purchases. west ham take a hike.

Typical. The PA should abdicate to the Sharon government. They should say 'there is no partner for peace and we relinquish all civilian, administrative and military control to Israel.' Let Sharon, or should I say the US taxpayer, pay for the occupation, let him provide total security. The current Administration is not cooperating because they have no vision as to how to proceed. They do not want a settlement to the conflict, in much the same way as Hamas and Islamic Jiihad don't. Each receives its legitimacy from the existance of the other.

I am convinced that Israel is a terrorist state. A country that constantly terrorizes civilians and sends hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians to detention camps without charge or trial, can in no way be described as democratic. Democracies value the rule of law. In Israel, however, crack soldiers raid Palestinian homes in the quiet hours before dawn, terrorize children, beat husbands before their kids and wives, smash furniture, urinate on food stuff...all in the name of this mantra called security? Besides, Why doesn't the Israeli army observe the ceasefire? Is every Palestinian's life expendable? I am sure that God will destroy America one day because of America's evil backing of Israel's evil policies and practices. Israel has simply morally corrupted America. We have become a criminal country ourselves...morality is no longer important...our new religion is political correctness, thanks to Israel.

All would agree that the most important thing is our countrys safety. Israel cannot and will not stand by if they know that certain people are planning a terrorist strike. These preemptive strikes by our brave soldiers are saving our peoples lives. Of course the PA is going to complain,however they know what the truth is. Better that we hit them before they hit us. They target innocent civilians,children etc. Israel targets the terror masterminds and in doing so protects many lifes. Being the Prime minister of Israel is not like being the King of Monaco. Our country is allways in a tough spot,requiring a leader with nerves of steele and a toughness that few posses. Ariel Sharon is the perfect man to lead Israel during these historic and difficult times. History will shine britely on this brave leader and the tough decisions that he had to make.

Same old PA fall back position, blame Israel for everything that it feels to do. If the PA would just just do what is required of them and disarm the terrorist groups then there wouldn't be any of this farce.

should we then with bated breath and terror in our hearts say: "we have caught this murderer who killed many jews but we will let him go otherwise the palestinains butchers will kill more of us." is that what danny boy is asking us to do?.what then do we have the jewish state for if we are to continue quaking in our boots? danny boy sell your wares elsewhere.

they fire rockets.they killed three kids near hebron.and they blame israel? what interest would israel have to start trouble?leave us alone and we will leave you alone.

they fire rockets.they killed three kids near hebron.and they blame israel? what interest would israel have to start trouble?leave us alone and we will leave you alone.

Anyone who sees fit to quote saeb 'Israel massacred 3000 in Jenin' erekat (and in the second paragraph, no less) has nothing to say. Taking a compulsive liar seriously does nothing for your own credibility.

It is unfortunately the syndrome the Palestinians do not make an effort to escape- They always blame someone else for their own failures in action. Usually it is the Israelis but sometimes it is the other Arab nations. The Palestinians by the way are not alone in this. This is also the general Arab syndrome. The Jews on the other hand have a different syndrome. They always blame themselves even when they are not to blame. So the story continues, repeating itself over and over again. The Palestinians do not and will not take responsibility for their own internal divisions, their own reluctance to decide firmly to compromise and leave in peace with Israel.

In an interview appearing in Ha'aretz this morning, the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Dr. Mahmoud Zahar states that the Hamas "has not changed its basic position that Palestine between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River is sacred Muslim land." Hamas and Islamic Jihad continue to seek Israel's destruction; therefore there is no room for compromise with Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other of the rejectionist organizations. and all their leaders, as well as their rank and file, are legitimate targets. By running for election, Hamas activists will reveal their identities and, I hope, will be speedily dispatched to the next world.