ANALYSIS / Hamas incitement over Jerusalem fails to ignite West Bank

'It sounds as if you are recommending that they reconcile themselves to another 40 years and be content that they are ruled by a beneficial and benevolent master race.' I think, AiNY, that such is what you wish I meant. I do not. My point is a constructive approach to the occupation is really the only one which will work in the Palestinians' favour. What is truly to be gained by them, in setting up barricades, burning tyres, rioting in the streets, living in self-perpetuating squalor, and accepting their roles as victims? Why not instead educate their children well, develop their businesses, strengthen their economy, and engage the Jews as equals? I do not understand the Palestinian mentality, nor yours, my friend. The Jews are a civilised people, and will respond favourably to civility. What you advocate is anything but that, it would seem. MV

My advice to the Palestinians: concentrate on building their economy; teach their kids the value of peace and tolerance; - Morris Valentine. Morris, approximately 75 % or more of the Palestinian population have been born since 1967. They have been parishioners and know nothing but a life being occupied and brutalized by an enemy army. It sounds as if you are recommending that they reconcile themselves to another 40 years and be content that they are ruled by a beneficial and benevolent master race. They should be happy toiling the fields and vineyards of their rulers. Perhaps we can send some senior black Americans over to show them how to shuffle and say Ya suh Master, an? play the banjo like plantation darkies did in antebellum days to entertain after returning from the fields. In the meantime lessons in peace and tolerance can be passed on by the IDF to the Palestinians once they are civilized.

like many israeli accused the palestinian leadership of having ignited them. What isn't yet may very well become reality anyway. So better not play with the fire, unless you want to get burned rather badly.

is this your way to hope for peace? with hamas there won't be peace do you understand? will be a war after an other. it is great to see palestinians that say NO to hamas as it means NO TERRORISM. I understand from your comments that you indeed support the hamas's jihad. This country needs peace, palestinians and israelis can't take it anymore. hamas brough only misery death and disperation to its people. they have enough of terrorism they need a good leader who acts only for the best of its people, hamas did exactly the opposit FOR NOTHING and I'm glad they are aware of it. Tghey do not see the results of its 2 years and a half government. Hamas has been a disaster. I'm glad that after 60 years of terror they have nothing, absolutly nothing. So it's time to move to a new chapter based on peace, based on love for their children and love for life. They should love the life in the same way Israelis do.

Hamas is an islamist organization,and the Islamist say defend Al-Aqsa mosque,dynamite Buddha.Defend Palestine,destroy Israel.Defend Islam,burn the world.

The reason for the apathy within is that they know the rhetoric,and they know that Al Aqsa mosque is not under attack.You can't lie to a lier.The apathy abroad(muslim world)is not realy apathy,they simply have their own problems to think about the Palestinians.They are counting their dead in Iraq Afghanistan, Chechnia,Somalia,Iran,Lebanon,and the rest. "Help" for the Palestinians from the Muslim world is depending on if the regimes want the attention elsewhere,and when terror doesn't hit them,and that is almost never.

Just like the reconciliation between the different Muslim factions in Iraq! Just like reconciliation between the different Muslim factions in he Iranian Province of Lebanon! Just like the reconciliation between the different Muslim factions in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They will kill each other just as quickly as they wish to kill Jews and Christians. But you know of hate...you reek it at every cross burning you attend!

The only reason the West bank won't join Hammas type of incitement is that Palestinians in the West Bank are well off. Economics is starting to move, and Israel will have to do more by dismantling check posts. That will boost the economy even more. In the meantime Hammas in Gaza, Hizabalah in Lebanon and Iran are being cornered. Hammas has lost the military option and had nothing to offer. The outcome is that there is no palestinian entity to deal with, . No disagreement between Obama and Israel. Temporarly freezing is the plan and it means : NOTHING.

...it was simply postponed by Abu Mazen's bone-headedness and greed.

the pals are the worst offenders of child abuse along w/ the rest of the muslims. Kids have become the warriors for the cowardly males who either hide behind women's skirts or, dress like them in conflict. The excuse of 'children' makes it a tragic comedy when the word rolls from their bloody lips. Female 'circumcision" stoning to death.. oh yes! the joys of the "LiberaL" ( with kids lives) muslims. That any remain is a miracle. The use kids and women like trash because they are trash.

BBS News, you are among the inciters - very clearly! I have read your post for a long time now and there cannot be any other conclusion but the one stated above. You keep repeating the same lies over and over again in all subjects relating to Israel. There were posters of the Temple mount faithful, they were immediately exploited by the islamist movement (northern branch and others) and it all started with their violence against french tourists visiting the mount. But obviously you are so full of hate, that you can't call a tree a tree! Why don't you work for peace instead and change to a constructive role. But that would involve a " just and comprehensive" approach and not the propaganda that you keep spreading around. You must first acknowledge that the Jews have rights too, otherwise you clearly disqualify. Good luck, peace, Shalom, Salam!

It's people like you who prohit the peace process and the establishment a state for the Palestinins. Kepp up the good work---preacing your hatred, violence and discontent from CHICAGO----moron!!! If you really feel so strongly--why don't you move your sorry a$$ to Gaza and support your terrorist comrades ???

At the moment the Hamas-Fatah reconciliation seems still far away. Hamas continue his jihad, his fight against the existance of Israel. Fatah calmed down and it looks for talk and for peace. The 2 sides are (Thanks G-D ) a bit far one another. A reconciliation with Hamas means only continue to fight, it means other wars and we are all tired of wars. This separation is good first of all for the palestinians and it is good for Israelis. May be many Palestinians have finally understood that violence doesn't bring them any benefit. Hamas has to be isolated from the palestinians and from the rest of the world ( who speaks to Fatah and not with Hamas ). This is the best message to the palestinians I hope they get it once for all. STOP VIOLENCE - LIVE AND LET LIVE - CHOOSE LIFE!

Fatah/PLO/PNA is the puppet of the illegal occupier! It had endorsed the Cast Lead op in hopes of destroying Hamas, a better representative of the Palestinian resistance to illegal occupation. It had not even allowed West Bank Palestinians to express solidarity with Gazans! It had posponed ie in effect killed the Goldstone Report to please its masters and get some telecom bandwidth to save their investments. What depth of depravity will Fatah/PNA not reach to appease their masters, secure their power and satisfy their limitless greed?

Typical muslims. Just this time, they weren't used as fodder for Hamas. Hamas will not be joined by any muslims. Muslims know they can't win in Israel. Game over.

Mr. Issacharoff, don't take your public for complete fools. "Desperation has been made more comfortable." Desperation has been made more dangerous to those who express it in demonstrations. Names are noted, repercussions follow. Who would a demonstration in Ramallah incommodate? Only the residents of Ramalla and the "Palestinian police", certainly not the Israeli authorities. And, remember, those residents were not allowed near Jerusalem so as not to ruin our festive season so they could not demonstrate where it would have had some effect. You are sanguine over things you should be very alarmed about. Talk to us about the role of demolitions, digs and Ateret Kohanim's settler implantations in places like Silwan and Ras Al-Amoud and let's look at what is really happening in Ir David, our Eternal Capital.

This article is misleading and full of wrong assumptions. Why does the author ignore the fact that Abbas and Fatah were the main instigators? They wanted to defelct attention from the scandal over Goldstone's report.

caring about their children? anyones children?

the attempt by Palestian leaders to incite riots failed. using religion as a political tool is a problem in most Islamic cultures. this stime the mass of Palestinians realized they were being manipulated and refrained from violence. the only way foward is thru negotiations without preconditions on both sides. may that happen soon, and people of good intentions on all sides promote that goal and ultimate peace and two states. amen.

and avi, the "growing divide between the palestinians in the west bank and those in the gaza strip" that you mention isn't what you might think according to the latest palestinian poll. it seems that most gazans tend to lean away from hamas just as much as those in the west bank; even more so on many questions. interesting; huh?

Being the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel must start searching for a real partner on the Palestinian side in Gaza. These Hamas hoodlums have led their people to disaster. They should learn from Israel how to establish good government and a wonderful state. {Thanks Olivia)

"Don't set the tires on fire. If you want. burn the trees, the furniture, but not tires." Asked by Haaretz about what advice he would give, he explains that the smoke from the burning tires is bad for the children's health in the refugee camp. This is the advice from older Palestinians to the younger ones. This is where we are at in the peace process.

The next battle begins for Palestinian equal rights in Israel.

What is happening in the WB? I neer expecgted intelligence but we are in fact seeing it. Life and the future of all of our children is far more important than Hamas's delusion, shared by so many in the Arab world, including BBS, that Israel and Jews should be wiped out. Civil behaviour by West Bankers will be responded to in kind and incitement by anyone on any side needs to be ignored, if not punished.

As has been the case always, whenever Iran is under pressure - something or the other goes off around Israel. Either Hizb or Hamas do something to distract world attention. Just as there was beginning to be talk of Iran's new nuclear site, Hamas is creates a situation - and suddenly nobody is talking about Iran.

and avi, the "growing divide between the palestinians in the west bank and those in the gaza strip" that you mention isn't what you might think according to the latest palestinian poll. it seems that most gazans tend to lean away from hamas just as much as those in the west bank; even more so on many questions. interesting; huh?

this is why Abbas and his henchmen are pereceived traitors. Their days are numbered and I hope peacefully.

...in itself. It kept nagging at me and it's this part: "One thing is certain: There is a growing divide between the Palestinians in the West Bank and those in the Gaza Strip, as Fatah and Hamas become entrenched in their respective enclaves." This wishful thinking is a lie and certainly Haaretz knows it. Hamas and Fatah were poised to sign a reconciliation agreement in late October until Abbas succumbed to Israeli extortion and American pressure to not push the Goldstone Report. A recent poll from the International Peace Institute found the most important issue to Palestinians is Hamas-Fatah reconciliation. And the sheer cynicism in this remark: "Desperation has been made more comfortable." Is this a news story or a sneer report?

...everyone following this latest episode is well aware that it was Israeli police escorting the "Temple Mount Faithful" extremist group to Al Aqsa. They soon after changed the story to be "tourists" - when they really are people who want to dismantle Al Aqsa mosque and ship it to Mecca, then build a "third temple" on the site of the mosque. What's happened is that the Palestinians are not going to be moved by the usual Israeli machinations this time. Even the Sheik's arrest was greeted with not much more than a sigh because the end game is in sight. Israel is wracking up quite a list of things to answer for in the immediate future. And the man that just won the peace prize has endorsed the Arab Peace Initiative. Israel is simply being given enough rope to ensure that the outcome is well-settled in the international psyche.

Meanwhile a truck arrives, loaded with tires, and dumps them 20 meters away, and three passengers start setting them on fire. The driver says he brought the tires from Jerusalem. A dozen youths are still waiting for reinforcements. "At 12:50, the first stones are flung. A group of children, 10 years old or so, are throwing stones, and the army is firing tear gas. But the wind is "against the Jews," according to one of the Palestinians. The gas flies into the soldiers' eyes, but teary-eyed, they keep firing tear gas."

'... some youths began setting tires on fire near the Qalandiyah roadblock, south of Ramallah. A 40-something Palestinian who owns a shop in the area walked up to them, obviously angry. "Don't set the tires on fire. If you want, burn the trees, the furniture, but not tires." Asked by Haaretz about what advice he would give, he explains that the smoke from the burning tires is bad for the children's health in the refugee camp.' Particulates in smoke are bad for the lungs, period - whether you're burning tyres, trees, or furniture. The Palestinian kids are suffering enough with having to deal with asthma and bronchitis brought on by such foolishness. My advice to the Palestinians: concentrate on building their economy; teach their kids the value of peace and tolerance; and refrain from burning anything that they'll regret later on. MV

I was going to write about APATHY, but I couldn't be bothered.