Who is funding the rabbi who endorses killing gentile babies?
Rightists rush to place 'Jewish terrorists' on fringe, but Yesh Din has found out some interesting facts.
By Akiva Eldar Tags: Israel newsRight-wing spokesmen, including some elected officials, rushed to place Yaakov "Jack" Teitel in the fringe group alongside Yigal Amir, Eden Natan Zada, Eliran Golan, Asher Weisgan, Danny Tikman and a few other "political/ideological" murderers.
True, they acknowledge, there are among us several lunatic rabbis who agitate to violence. Really, just a handful; even a toddler could count them.
The more stringent will note that unlike the Hamas government, our government does not pay the salaries of rabbis who advocate the killing of babies.
Is that so? Not really.
For example, government ministries regularly transfer support and funding to a yeshiva whose rabbi determined that it is permissible to kill gentile babies "because their presence assists murder, and there is reason to harm children if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us ... it is permissible to harm the children of a leader in order to stop him from acting evilly ... we have seen in the Halakha that even babies of gentiles who do not violate the seven Noahide laws, there is cause to kill them because of the future threat that will be caused if they are raised to be wicked people like their parents."
Lior Yavne, who oversees research at the Yesh Din human rights organization, checked and found that in 2006-2007, the Ministry of Education department of Torah institutions transferred over a million shekels to the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar.
The Ministry of Social Affairs has allocated over 150,000 shekels to the yeshiva since 2007, scholarships for students with financial difficulties studying there. And what can they learn with the help of public funding from the head of the yeshiva, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira? According to selected items published last week in the media, the boys can learn that Teitel is not only innocent, but also a real saint.
Their spiritual leader stated in his book, "Torat Hamelekh" that "a national decision is not necessary in order to permit the shedding of blood of an evil kingdom. Even individuals from the afflicted kingdom can attack them."
A brochure distributed in Judean and Samarian communities stated that "needless to say that nowhere in the book does it state that these remarks are aimed only at gentiles in ancient times."
The commandments in the book do not suffice only with gentiles; you can also find in them approval to attack leftist professors: every citizen in the kingdom opposing us who encourages the fighters or expresses satisfaction with their actions is considered a pursuer and his killing is permissible," wrote the rabbi and adds, "and also considered a pursuer is someone whose remarks weaken our kingdom or have a similar effect."
Not long ago, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman announced that he would ask European Union countries to halt their support for the Breaking the Silence organization because he was displeased with their publications.
The minister surely has reservations about the rabbi's publications.
He is invited to approach his colleagues at the Ministry of Education and at the Ministry of Social Affairs.
Water down the drain
Prof. Raphael Semiat, the head of the Technion's Grand Water Research Institute in Haifa, took the trouble to travel to Jerusalem and come to the Knesset to participant in a forum organized by MK Miri Regev (Likud) to discuss the water shortage and the drought tax.
He left the meeting with same feeling he has had since last spring: the Finance Ministry continues to mismanage the situation and the public continues to pay the cost.
He says that the Finance Ministry representative presented his controversial position (Semiat used a less parliamentary phrase), and then left without listening to the professor's harsh criticism.
"The Finance Ministry has for years not made it possible to take vital steps to save the water situation," Semiat chided those present, "and it has the chutzpah to demand that the public pay the price of its shortcomings."
Last May 28 researchers from the Grand Water Research Institute, all of whom are either professors or doctors, sent a letter to all cabinet ministers and senior officials who have anything to do with the water issue, from the Finance Ministry to the National Infrastructure Ministry and the Agriculture Ministry to the Industry, Trade and Employment Ministry.
The researchers listed a series of measures that could be taken to add at least 100-150 million cubic meters of water to the economy annually within a few months.
That amount is equivalent to the amount of water desalinated at each of the big desalination plants in Ashkelon and Hadera per year.
It is hard to believe, but none of the ministers and none of the officials responded to the letter.
Instead of providing water, they are offering a whole lot of excuses, some of them untrue.
The most notable among them is that the state does not have the budget to finance new desalination plants, this at a time when the state's primary expenditure is publishing tenders in the media; everything else is covered by the winners of the tenders.
Here is a selection of the quick solutions proposed by the Grand Water Research Institute's researchers that were not considered by the authorities and which according to Technion experts could with one to two months restore around 20 million cubic meters of water annually to the economy:
Switching from using tens of millions of cubic meters of drinking water annually for paving and roadwork to the use of treated sewage water.
More efficient use of purified sewage water designated for agricultural uses (currently around 30 percent of purified sewage water flows into the sea).
Use of available technologies for recycling water for gardening and toilet flushing.
Prof. Semiat warns that continuing mismanagement will lead to a disaster.
He explains that even if the winter benefits the water level of Lake Kinneret, and it fills completely, the lake provides no more than 30 percent of the state's water consumption.
In the meantime the salinity of the aquifer waters, which supplies most of the water consumption, is increasing daily.
Guess who will pay the price for this debacle?
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for Public incitements? If Hamas says it they will be clssified as tErrorists, confiscate their books, their TV shows etc. After all Israel IS a DEMOCRATIC country, abiding by rule of LAWS ??
This is absolutely and absurdly ridiculous. No credible rabbi in the mainstream Orthodox word, from haredi to modern orthodox, would waste their time even looking at this junk. As with any legal system, you can make a mockery of it if you tried hard enough. If you want to pervert Jewish law, you could find foolish, blatantly incorrect and absurd applications of legal principles to achieve the desired effect. There is actually a Talmudic aphorism describing such perversions: "A sharp whit can reason an impure animal into purity." No one in my community would be anything other than mortally horrified at the abhorrent thought of killing babies.
This "rabbi" is a fool who is misrepresenting what is written by great and accepted authorities on Jewish law. "Rodef From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A rodef (Hebrew רודף, lit. "pursuer"; pl. רודפים, rodefim), in traditional Jewish law, is one who is "pursuing" another to murder him or her. According to Jewish law, such a person must be killed by any bystander after being warned to stop and refusing. ---The allowance to kill the rodef does not apply, however, in a case where lesser means would prevent the innocent's murder.[1] Furthermore, according to the Rambam, killing a rodef who may have been stopped by lesser means constitutes murder, ---"
This "rabbi" is a fool who is misrepresenting what is written by great and accepted authorities on Jewish law. "Rodef From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A rodef (Hebrew רודף, lit. "pursuer"; pl. רודפים, rodefim), in traditional Jewish law, is one who is "pursuing" another to murder him or her. According to Jewish law, such a person must be killed by any bystander after being warned to stop and refusing. ---The allowance to kill the rodef does not apply, however, in a case where lesser means would prevent the innocent's murder.[1] Furthermore, according to the Rambam, killing a rodef who may have been stopped by lesser means constitutes murder, ---"
This "rabbi" is a fool who is misrepresenting what is written by great and accepted authorities on Jewish law. "Rodef From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A rodef (Hebrew רודף, lit. "pursuer"; pl. רודפים, rodefim), in traditional Jewish law, is one who is "pursuing" another to murder him or her. According to Jewish law, such a person must be killed by any bystander after being warned to stop and refusing. ---The allowance to kill the rodef does not apply, however, in a case where lesser means would prevent the innocent's murder.[1] Furthermore, according to the Rambam, killing a rodef who may have been stopped by lesser means constitutes murder, ---"
It is much easier to use inuendo then be burdened with facts.
I dont think he understands what you are trying to say.
...a few poor souls in any group of people, anywhere in the world, "go off the tracks," as it were. And they should definitely be helped; (a) as a basic dictate of humanity, and (b) before they can cause serious harm to themselves or others. I would ALSO respectfully suggest that when they are identified (or in this case, self-identified, perhaps), someone in authority has the (a) decency, and (b) the COMMON SENSE to remove them from positions of influence!
So, a Muslim Army Major slaughters dozens and suddenly ALL muslims need to be expelled from the Amry, schools, cities in amerika. Using the same faulty logic, Religious leaders demand killing of children, so should all jews be banned from cities? Other recent incidents - Jewish americans spying for Isreal; Madoff strealing billions - so should we ban Jews from government work or financial institutions? Fringe weirdos are just that - fringe nutcakes - regardless of religion or nationality.
all those who kill in the name of god including my lot the christians are no better, an extremist (no matter who) will read their bible and profess to abide by it, but when the book is closed for the day they backstab their religion and all it stands for, both jews and muslims do the same ( not all).
First I am unsure if I belief what is written here and secondly, even if this one nutty man said something like that it is totally foreign to any kind of Judaism I have experienced. Unfortunately we have many poor observant Jews who also have no secular education and do not see psychiatrist and get medicated for bi-polar or other mental issues or social services. That is the lesson here is how to these poor Jews fall through the cracks and engage in crazy talk and how can we help them?
Man, this is weird. In a strange sense, Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar is right. With the Islamic educational system being allowed by the world, who do you think are being raised? Good, passionate, intellegent, thinking young people? You know who's being developed by design. Human bombs! You know it and so does everyone else. However instead of killing off the kids, maybe the educational system should be forced to change?
The "rabbi" is not talking Jewish law. Rodef From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search A rodef (Hebrew רודף, lit. "pursuer"; pl. רודפים, rodefim), in traditional Jewish law, is one who is "pursuing" another to murder him or her. According to Jewish law, such a person must be killed by any bystander after being warned to stop and refusing. The source for this law is the Tractate Sanhedrin in the Babylonian Talmud, page 73a, which begins: And these are the ones whom one must save even with their lives [i.e., killing the wrongdoer]: one who pursues his fellow to kill him [rodef akhar khaveiro lehargo], and after a male or a bethrothed maiden [to rape them]; but one who pursues an animal, or desecrates the Sabbath, or commits idolatry are not saved with their lives. This law, the din rodef ("law of the pursuer"), is significant as one of the few provisions in Jewish law permitting extrajudicial killings. The allowance to kill the rodef does not apply, however, in a case where lesser means would prevent the innocent's murder.[1] Furthermore, according to the Rambam, killing a rodef who may have been stopped by lesser means constitutes murder, though the punishment for a murderer in this case is not dealt out by Beit din.[citation needed]
When you talk about the water sold to the Jordanian farmer under the cost charged Israeli farmers, you might want to check how much the charge for water sold Israeli farmers is below its cost. Part of the reason why there is such a water shortage is that water is given to farmers to grow crops which should not be grown in an area where there is a shortage of water to begin with.
All the Jews told us that The Protocols were a 'blood-libel' and a hoax (repeatedly, with major kvetching). Funny, now it doesn't seem like a hoax to me. Are other Rabbis teaching the same laws? Is this particular Rabbi only notable because he is very vocal in his beliefs? Anyone here want to enlighten a despised Gentile? Could I even believe what you tell me?
No reason many people are turning against Israel, its policies, and its army, and now some religious persons.
undernutrition, according to a new UNICEF report. ?Stunting is associated with developmental problems and is often impossible to correct. A child who is stunted is likely to experience a lifetime of poor health and underachievement,? a UNICEF statement on 11 November said. In the Middle East , the occupied Palestinian territories have a stunting prevalence of 10 percent, a surprisingly better result than other, far wealthier neighbors, which have the following scores: Egypt ? 29 Iraq ? 26 Jordan ? 12 Kuwait ? 24 Lebanon ? 11 Oman ? 13 Saudi Arabia ? 20 Syria ? 28 UAE ? 17 Yemen ? 58
Why surprised. Jedaism and Islam are from the same tree but from different branches. The tree is Abraham and the branches are Isaac and Ishmail.
...hope Haaretz will still have the courtesy to print it out later. Bottomline was: The problem is, that both in Islam and Judaism, the "silent majority" (if it is still a majority at all), is not willing to stand up against the rotten apples in their midst. On the contrary, many Islamic Clerics and the so called "Jewish establishment" (WJC + Co.) are silently tolerating, if not even supporting the conduct by their fellow brethren....
Reading the article and commentator statements, and how the media (except haaretz) and authorities in Israel and in the rest of the developed world treat this growing phenomena (which is not new by the way) I was very disappointing . however, if it was a muslim cleric from a middle of nowhere said what this terror teaching Rabbi stated, the entire world media are reporting now from all angles to show how bad this religion is. But unfortunately we did not hear anything here in the western free??? Median. these stories clearly high light the hypocrisy and the double stander policy taken by the western media. so thank you haaretz for the good job.
No, Dino, they don't face the same problems. Neither Islam nor Judaism are religions of extremes. However, there are fanatical wings in both sides. It took them a long way to get where Christianity was for hundreds and hundreds of year. The Crusades, The Inquisition, the support of Nazis by the Vatican(Yes, they even issued faked passports so that they could run away from Europe) and certain cardinals like those who are followers of Lefebre are not something to be proud of. Christianity set the mood for religious lunacy. Unfortunately, certain Jews and Muslims- a minority- seem to have learned a thing or two. Out of the three faiths, it was Judaism and the Jews who were the victims of the other two whether it was in the past or today. This rabbi is a disgrace. Eugenio Pacelli was a disgrace, should we assume all Catholics are? Bin Laden is a lunatic, should we assume all Muslims are?
Besides, it is not always that childern inherit their parents beliefs and behaviours whether wicked or not!!!!
once again. Its a good thing most of them dont serve in the IDF they doing both sides a favour.
Jews, Christians or Muslims, they all spout hate when they want to and can find ancient texts to justify any horror they want to commit.
Any Yeshiva. or school, or any rabbi who endorses murder should : 1) have his smichot removed from him, and a school who employs such a vile 'person' should have his/it's funding taken away for a year. The rabbis ,whom are also supported with public funds, should have his 'salary' taken away accordingly. They have no right to be supported by the State!
In both places, young people are being taught extremism and unmercifulness.... ....as I said before, Islam and Judaism are facing exactly the same problems today.
I do not see any difference between these teachings and Islam's teachings...totally disgusting..
A discussion on halacha is not the same as endorsement.There are several problematic issues in halacha, but modern Judaism has evolved in a way that the rulings can be altered. This does not mean that the halacha cannot be discussed.
I don't understand whhy two important but not really unconnected articles lay together. Anyway, I write to testify that since month of may Mekorot launched a pre-bid and invited companies to make an offer for water supply. Mekorot conditions were really unclear and as an Italian I could clearly smell monkey business parfume. It was impossible to compete given the condition set and same impression came from my israeli partners. If any journalist could investigate it, I believe he would find matters to publish for weeeks.
Hamas or Israels right-wing government? Where are the calls from the US to stop the spreading of propaganda and hate-speech?
What kind of twisted demented bunch of filth filled minds these yeshivas produce? How are they better from the Taliban's Mullahs?
Too often, one stands up from his sit at the end of a lecture and is surprised hearing other people commenting the lecture: they heard in the same lecture things that he hasn't heard and were not said by the lecturer, but people, having a preconceived idea about the elcturer, hear what they expected to hear. Akiva interpretes what he read the way he expects the writer to mean, not what is actually written. I don't see the connection with the water issue, but since it has been open: What about the millions of cubic meters sold to Jordanian farmer at a lower price than water is sold to Israeli farmers? About Governement grants: what about the millions given to the generaly pro-Palestinian cinema schools, theaters and other "cultural" associations? Only yeshiva block water projects? By the way i myself have been trying to promote several projects such as a 75 MW wind/water flow power plant, used and sewer water cleansing, and more. But I don't accuse the cinema schools for my failur
From the article: Their spiritual leader stated in his book, "Torat Hamelekh" that "a national decision is not necessary in order to permit the shedding of blood of an evil kingdom. Even individuals from the afflicted kingdom can attack them." Presumably this ruling fully justifies even Gentiles, even in the Occupied Territories, in attacking and killing their evil oppressors? These afflicted ones are doing a righteous deed in attacking evil opposition? If not, why not?
Is it permissible to put to death rabbis whose vile tongues and wicked speech threaten innocents of all nations?
Amazing that such clearly intelligent individuals are capable of such asinine moral equivalences. Sure, the Israeli government gives some money to this school. It also gives money to far more liberal causes. What do you want? It's government. Take any close look at just about any democratic state's budget and you'll be able to find stuff like this -- how sausage is made and such. That's quite different from a government's official doctrine. It's also a bit hackneyed to search through Halachic rulings until you find something offensive...Yes, we all know there are opinions within the Jewish world that are racist toward outsiders, just as there are within every religious circle.
...these types of things are now coming out several times daily instead of one a week, or a few a week. It looks like the tipping point has been found.