• Published 01:17 08.08.10
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Amira Hass / Eight Palestinian youths and the crime they didn't commit

After two years, a case against Palestinian teenagers accused of throwing stones was overturned when the military prosecution backed out. The suspects pleaded innocent all along, saying they'd been in school

By Amira Hass

Eight Palestinian teenagers were tried in the court of military judge Lt. Col. Menashe Vahnish on November 11, 2008. Referring to a soldier from the Kfir Brigade, Vahnish said, "at this stage, there is no reason to cast any doubt on the witness." According to his police testimony, on October 30, 2008 the soldier, T.M., and some of his comrades apprehended stone-throwing Palestinian 16-year-olds on a road that runs between the al-Aroub refugee camp south of Bethlehem and an agricultural school across the way.

Vahnish also saw no reason to doubt the accounts given by two other soldiers from the Kfir Brigade company, L.G. and G.D., whose statements to the Etzion police formed the basis of indictments submitted by the army prosecutor against the Palestinians. Under the indictment, the eight teenagers hurled rocks "from a distance of about 20 meters at Israeli cars traveling on Route 60, with the intention of harming the vehicles or their passengers."

Nasser Jaber, 16

Nasser Jaber, one of eight Palestinian 16-year-olds held for a month before stone-throwing charges were dropped

Photo by: Amira Hass

Following their apprehension, the judge ordered that the teenagers, all of whom are students at the al-Aroub agricultural school, remain in custody until the end of their trial. Extending remands (i.e., keeping suspects in jail until the end of legal proceedings ) is almost always a default option favored by the Israeli military court in the West Bank, whose sole defendants are Palestinians. When detainees are suspected of minor offenses (such as stone throwing or demonstrating ), and especially when they are minors, the length of time they are held in custody often exceeds the maximum possible prison term. Therefore, defendants often feel pressured to reach a deal with the prosecution and plead guilty, even when they are not or when the evidence is weak. But this time, the pressure evidently did not work.

In their police accounts, the soldiers stated that they chased the stone throwers and caught those who did not manage to escape to the school grounds. The pupils, on the other hand, claimed they had been inside their classrooms and that some of them were even taking exams, when three regular army jeeps and one large ("Ze'ev" ) jeep suddenly burst onto the school compound. According to the Palestinian witnesses, the vehicles tore down a fence and then soldiers leapt out and whisked about 20 students out of their classrooms.

Vahnish gave little credence to arguments made by defense attorneys Mahmoud Hassan and Nasser Nubani. Their case depended largely on what they described as a clear photograph from October 30, taken by a pupil, showing a group of 20 students sitting on a low stone fence, without handcuffs or blindfolds, in the schoolyard. The eight defendants were selected out of this group of 20, claimed Hassan, from the Addameer Prisoners' Support and Human Rights Association.

Hassan submitted an appeal, and the eight teenage defendants spent another nine days behind bars before judge Lt. Col. Yoram Haniel, from the military appeals court, decided to release them on bail.

"Basically," Haniel stated, "the army prosecutor is basing his position on statements made by three soldiers who were responsible for the arrests under appeal. Unfortunately, the soldiers have not detailed what occurred, nor have they provided a detailed description of how they managed to bring all of the appellants to court."

The appeals judge ordered each youth to provide, in cash, NIS 7,500 as bail. For all eight of the defendants, whose parents were already hard-pressed to cover their journey to the military appeals court session in Ofer, this was an impossibly exorbitant sum. But the Ramallah-based NPO Addameer managed, in this particular case, to obtain a loan from the Palestinian Authority treasury and post their bail. Five days after Haniel handed down his decision, the teenagers were released; they had been in custody for 27 days.

Routine pressure

After the suspects were released, Hassan told Haaretz, the army prosecutor began the typical routine of pressuring him to sign a deal. Hassan relates how the prosecutor's representatives told him, "We want to end this matter quickly. We will demand only a fine and a suspended sentence. It's a shame to waste the court's time, and your own time. What else could you want, [the eight defendants] are released and you're wasting time over nothing."

Hassan rejected the offer, saying his clients should not be branded with a criminal record for the rest of their lives for a crime they did not commit.

Between 15 and 18 sessions on the case were then held at the military court in Ofer. The soldiers were questioned about their statements to the police, and more photographs were submitted.

On the day of the arrests, the soldier G.D., for instance - who had served in the Kfir Brigade Haruv company for 15 months - told the police: "Today, over the course of patrol activity, we received a report that there was stone throwing in the region of al-Aroub. I arrived on the scene with a back-up squad... We immediately identified the group of stone throwers, located 30 meters away. Its members were hurling stones at Route 60. In our vehicle, we proceeded to chase the stone throwers at a moderate speed; when we were a few meters away from them, they began to flee in the direction of the school. At that point, we got out of the army vehicle and started to chase them on foot. We were able to detain some of the stone throwers, while others managed to escape into the school."

Along with the police questioner, this soldier entered the Etzion station yard where he pointed to three of the detainees, including Nasser Badran Jaber, "who was wearing a black jacket, blue jeans and had light brown hair." The police officer asked the soldier if he was certain that those he had identified had in fact thrown stones. "Doubly sure," G.D. responded. The policeman then asked whether the soldier had kept the suspects in his sight from the time they had thrown the stones until their apprehension. G.D. said that he had.

On January 28, 2010, G.D. left his base in the Jordan Valley to testify in the Ofer courtroom. Hassan asked him: "Is it true that, along with the rest of the force on the scene, you entered the schoolyard?" G.D. replied: "I never went in. I stayed with the detainees." Hassan: "So you stayed in the army vehicle?" G.D.: "Yes." Hassan: "So, who entered the yard?" G.D.: "I don't know anything about soldiers going in." Hassan: "You said that you caught somebody on the road, not in the schoolyard. Can you tell me who, among the defendants, this was?" G.D.: "No, I can't recall." Hassan: "I'm telling you that you have made false statements right now, because all of the defendants were detained in the school, not on the road. What do you have to say about this?" G.D.: "I am testifying about what I remember, and that's what happened. I recall that there were three [suspects] with me in the vehicle. I recall that they were involved in stone throwing; perhaps I did not see them throw stones, but they were in the group that fled." The exchange between Hassan and G.D. continued:

Q. When you reached the road, you saw people throwing stones. That was beyond the road, correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Did any cars pass by at this time?

A. I imagine so, because this is the main road.

Q. But you yourself did not see a car pass by, or the suspects throwing any rocks at it?

A. I did not see a car hit by a stone. I don't entirely recall whether there was stone throwing at this time.

Q. You received a report that people were throwing stones, and you arrived a short time after the rocks were hurled. But you didn't see any stone throwing yourself?

A. I saw rocks being thrown in the direction of the road, and the moment we arrived [the throwers] fled.

Q. So if you saw stones being thrown, did you also see where they landed?

A. That's a very specific question. This occurred a long time ago.

'Tossed like garbage bags'

The teenagers continued to plead innocent. In July 2010, after the defense attorney announced his intention to bring schoolteachers in as witnesses, the military prosecution asked to rescind its indictment. The military judge had no choice but to declare, on July 12, that the indictment had been overturned.

Nasser Jaber, from Hebron, told Haaretz this week that he and the other suspects were held for a day before being brought to a cell at the Etzion police department. Over the course of this day, he said, they were insulted, slapped and kicked.

"We were handcuffed and blindfolded, and the soldiers threw us like garbage bags to the floor of the jeep," he related. "They kicked us during the car trip. Then they tossed us, face down, like garbage bags, from the jeep to the ground; some of us were injured."

During the remand hearing, "all of the defendants sobbed, except Nasser," Jaber's mother related. Some of them fell ill while in custody. Two dropped out of school as a result of the emotional strains and steep financial costs connected to the detention and trial. All refused to sign a plea bargain.

Along with the eight defendants, there was another detainee involved in the case - a young man about four years older than the other suspects. He denied all charges during the police interrogation and the court remand hearing.

In a prior case, when he was 14, he had been convicted on a stone-throwing charge and a shooting charge, which left him with a conditional arrest sentence of 30 months. That is why Haniel ordered him to remain in custody until the end of the court proceedings.

On May 4, 2009 he decided that his wisest course was to plead guilty of throwing stones on the date in question. The day he reversed his plea, he was released. The judge announced that they had worked out a plea bargain, according to which the man's sentence was equivalent to the number of days he had been held in custody; he was also fined NIS 500. He had been convicted on the basis of testimony from the same soldiers whose testimonies could not sustain the charge sheets of the eight teenagers. His friends spent one month in jail, while he lost six months there.

He lost but the court gained: The judge in his case, Lt. Col. Shmuel Kedar, seemed satisfied with the plea bargain. "The sides justified the arrangement by pointing to the defendant's past record, his admission of guilt and saving the court's time," he said.

The IDF spokesman released the following statement in reply: "It bears mention that there is no court determination that the soldiers lied in their accounts, and the agreement to overturn the indictment has no implication with regard to the reliability of the soldiers' testimony... Perjury in military trials is a serious offense, and appropriate legal measures are taken in response to it. Decisions concerning detention are reached in a professional, direct manner, according to appropriate standards and rules accepted in Israel's legal system. The prolongation of legal processes for one reason or another can justify the release of detainees, for this reason only and in appropriate cases."

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  • 48. 7 0
    Had similar experience when I was 15
    • Ahmad
    • 09.08.10
    • 01:13

    I was visiting Kalandia refuge camp back in 82 and while walking with a friend, a Jeep was speeding toward us and two soldiers jumped and pushed us in along of another youth who was already in the jeep. For total of 25 minutes ride we were kicked slapped and kicked again with back of M16.The kicks were painful but not hard enough to cause us any real harm, though it took me few days to walk again normally. We were accused of throwing stones. After we were forced to exit the Jeep, the solder held us for 45 minutes at the entrance of the refuge camp. Then a Bedouin commander came and asked us if we did run when the Jeep was speeding toward us, we replied no. Luckily the soldiers who gave us the beating didn’t lie and said the same and we were let go. However, we were lucky. I have heard hundreds and hundreds of youths telling much worst stories and actually most only thought to join militant Palestinian groups after their humiliating experience with "Jewish soldiers"

  • 47. 18 0
    Even if they Threw Stones at Cars, Why Arrest them and NOT arrest settlers for thowing stones at Palestinean Heads?
    • Doug
    • 08.08.10
    • 22:42

    Go to youtube and do a search for "settlers throwing stones", and you get 60 hits. Take a look at some of them. You will notice lots of times where the stones are being thrown at Palestineans while the police and/or IDF is present and not a single setter is arrested. If throwing stones at Israeli cars is so dangerous that suspects are arrested and held for six months without a trial, why does throwing stones at Palestinean heads not result in any arrests?

  • 46. 6 1
    Israel is a wonderful democratic state
    • MichaelB
    • 08.08.10
    • 22:08

    Thanks to Amira Hass, who brought the evidence. Such stories run exactly the same way in all Western states. Sorry, she knows western democracy only from hear-say. We have here in the West a word: democracy is the smallest evil among all forms of rule. After several contacts with Western justice, I was taught by my attorney, that justice is about reinforcing law and not about right. The exceptions are usually brought to Hollywood and material for wonderful movies. Mrs. Hass, welcome in the democracy.

  • 45. 15 0
    Jews Who Throw Stones
    • Former Expat
    • 08.08.10
    • 19:42

    Try driving through a Haredi neighboorhood on a public road that they have closed because it is Shabbat - you will be violently stoned by God's Chosen. Ever hear about them going to jail for throwing stones?

  • 44. 28 4
    Sickening
    • George Rupp
    • 08.08.10
    • 18:09

    A sickening parody of justice by a racist police state.

  • 43. 30 2
  • 42. 28 2
    Amazing bravery from these young people not to submit to this persecution...
    • Ari
    • 08.08.10
    • 17:02

    They could easily have said they were guilty, when they provably weren't.

  • 41. 19 2
    Wonderful story
    • Smeghead
    • 08.08.10
    • 16:28

    Ah, another wonderful story out of "The only Democracy of the middle east."

  • 40. 31 0
    soft stone and hard rock
    • n
    • 08.08.10
    • 15:34

    The reason, why Pals are convicted and the settlers never for throwing stone is easy to explain: The settlers throw soft stones and the Pals hard rocks. This is Jewesh justice!!!

  • 39. 6 63
    Palestinians and Stones
    • Josiah Jacob Ben David
    • 08.08.10
    • 15:07

    Show me a Palestinian who hasn't thrown stones and I will show you a man without arms ! Its almost like a national sport with the Palestinians. Someone should teach them to play baseball. There's got to be some excellent pitchers among them. I'm just afraid that if they got into an argument with the Umpire they might blow themselves and the Ump up !

    • 28 2
      Josiah Jacob Ben David
      • Maggie
      • 08.08.10
      • 17:02

      When a person is rendered powerless and subjected to daily humiliation and cruelty they will use any means at their disposal to gain their dignity and freedom. In proportion to the armed police, armed settlers, torture and murder inflicted by Israel throwing stones is like little David against Goliath.

    • 14 2
    • 9 0
      hassan
      • luna
      • 08.08.10
      • 21:02

      thanks for your golden humor within such tragedy... we jews see what israel has become, i don´t know how much longer the pressure on palestine will last but i am full of hope that every conflict comes to an end after enough blood has flown. i wish you a palestinian state supported by israel in the name of 6 million dead jews who would have denied the injustice against all innocent pals called guilty and being murdered for no reason- salam shalom

    • 1 2
      Throwing stones
      • Naughty Jew
      • 09.08.10
      • 01:01

      There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven— A time to give birth and a time to die; A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted. A time to kill and a time to heal; A time to tear down and a time to build up. A time to weep and a time to laugh; A time to mourn and a time to dance. A time to throw stones and a time to gather stones...

    • 11 0
      Re: would you rather have them have guns
      • Hana
      • 09.08.10
      • 09:01

      I would rather them having no reason to use either....and I do not see anyone doing much about Israel's guns, bulldozer, tanks, army jets, drones, robot snippers that are being used mainly against unarmed civilians. Oh, and heaven forbid anyone even speaks of the elephant in the room...Israel's nuclear power. But hey, Israeli's have every right to feel secure, after all they face the imminent threat of...stones.

  • 38. 33 1
  • 37. 28 1
    Why?
    • me
    • 08.08.10
    • 11:51

    Why does IDF sometimes watching too much of American war movies. IDF should distinguish once and for always what is Jewish standard for military ethics and what is the cowboy one. Bad examples that one follows cause shame!

  • 36. 63 4
    I suppose we should be greatful
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 08.08.10
    • 11:12

    that the soldiers didn't open fire in the school playground. Israel is becoming more criminal and more barbaric by the day. The sooner it is subject to sanctions the bettter.

  • 35. 35 3
    I suppose we should be greatful
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 08.08.10
    • 11:12

    that the soldiers didn't open fire in the school playground. Israel is becoming more criminal and more barbaric by the day. The sooner it is subject to sanctions the bettter.

  • 34. 51 2
    @ Chafeeka
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 08.08.10
    • 11:09

    The issue isn't whether it is alright to throw stones at cars. The issue is whether the soldiers committed perjury as part of a court system which systematically criminalises palestinians as a form of tax If this case is correct and perjury has been committed by the soldiers then these are serious and will need answering. Your usual obsfucation and denial, a typical ploy of the zionist will not be adequate this time.

  • 33. 64 2
    "they were insulted, slapped and kicked"
    • Doug
    • 08.08.10
    • 11:03

    The only terrorists in the W. Bank are the IDF and the Settlers.

  • 32. 7 84
    Warped minds warped opinions and warped sicknesses
    • Chafeeka
    • 08.08.10
    • 09:43

    So In your opinion it is OK to throw rocks and stones on passing cars. It is very normal to you since not one post mentions the deadly pass time these youths were busy with again I ask where are the parents of these 16 year olds? where they too throwing stones at cars? do you know the rocks kill and cause accidents? does anyone here thinks they are still normal?

  • 31. 5 49
    Missing a great theme here, and reducing it to a soap opera.
    • Israeli
    • 08.08.10
    • 09:42

    Just these days we were told about an Israeli being rehabilitated, after serving some 8 years in prison for an alleged murder which was completely canceled (and the original wrong verdict was given in the seventies). With this perspective, the reported throwing stones case seems like nitpicking. The proper issue is whether annulling previous verdicts is a good or bad sign of a juristic system.

    • 37 0
      Hard to say
      • Mark from Florida
      • 08.08.10
      • 10:18

      Mistakes are always bad in a legal system, but so is crippling the system just to minimize the impact of those mistakes. The awkward choice here was to imprison kids for most of two years, to save other cars from rock-throwing, despite a lack of any clear evidence they threw the rocks. It's just too clear they were handy victims of an agressive justice system, who only sees one people's wrongs and the other people's innocence. My opinion: if the kids threw the rocks, they deserve six months in jail, and if the accusing soldiers saw nothing, they deserve six months in jail and their full names in print.

  • 30. 73 4
    The only democracy in the near east...
    • Walt D
    • 08.08.10
    • 09:32

    is gradually turning in to a totalitarian and cruel state ,with no respect for anyone else except them selves. Simply disgusting.

  • 29. 45 2
    Really Happy!
    • Rona
    • 08.08.10
    • 08:26

    Happy with the revolution of communication. Worst was happening in the past and the general public (mostly west) outside Palestine was unaware. They were fed what the Israeli wanted them to know and play on their emotions to gain their support. Now the whole world see the realty of Israel, the only democracy in the ME.

  • 28. 3 68
    Justice is served?
    • JJ Gross
    • 08.08.10
    • 07:53

    From Ms. Hass['s usual and typically editorialized and subjective report we can glean only two things with certainty: 1. Stones were thrown at vehicles by students of the school; 2. An Israeli military court, abiding by the highest principles of jurisprudence, refused to convict this particular group of students because it could not be proven incontrovertibly that it was they who were the rock throwers. What a remarkable contrast to, for example, when two innocent Israelis drive into Palestinian territory and they are immediately taken to the police station where they are butchered like dogs and their captors hang their bodies out the window while gleefully displaying their bloodstained hands. Needless to say, Ms. Hass was absent that day, and her words of wisdom were nowhere to be seen.

    • 36 4
      However...
      • Mark from Florida
      • 08.08.10
      • 09:44

      No comment about the justice of jailing somebody for almost two years, until this "highest principle"-d military court could find time to address the case? Of course we don't know the details, but I think Amira's theme is valid - that the system is prone to make a harsh decision without impartial evidence, and put easy accusees in jail for a long time if they don't have the wherewithal to fight "justice (?) in the territories".

  • 27. 4 65
    biases
    • HaShofet
    • 08.08.10
    • 07:37

    I don't know any facts at all regarding this case, but there is one thing that I DO know: Amira will, always, and relexively so, assume that statements made by Jewish Israelis are SUSPECT, and statements made by Arabs as TRUTH.

    • 36 0
      Then you know what Hashofet
      • Reuben from NYC
      • 08.08.10
      • 11:05

      Get out of Palestine and cease trying to operate a justice system in Palestine. Jews have no right arresting arabs in Palestine. Arrest your own trespassers that are breaking international laws and bring them back to Israel or send them home to their host countries. Stop whining about it. You put yourselves in that position brainiac. Take yourselves out of the equation and you wont have to worry about it.

  • 26. 29 0
    What kind of way is this, to run an occupation?
    • Mark
    • 08.08.10
    • 07:16

    Maybe if they embargoed rocks and cars entering the West Bank, this sort of atrocity could be avoided.

  • 25. 46 1
    all the people with good conscious suffer in Israel.
    • Shimon
    • 08.08.10
    • 07:11

    stop the injustice in the name of dimocracy, it's destroying the innocence of Israel

  • 24. 50 1
    Israel's "Justice System"
    • Maree
    • 08.08.10
    • 06:55

    I hope the families of these young boys sue the state for wrongful detention - although I know that in reality that the system in this apartheid country is so steeped in institutionalized racism that this will never happen.

  • 23. 4 66
    Amira ugh!! couldnt you concise the story? putting people to sleep
    • Chafeeka
    • 08.08.10
    • 06:34

    The teenagers threw stones on moving vehicles with the intent to hurt and even kill!!! What about the 16 year olds who should know better and what sort of upbringing they received from parents - teachers? NONE Throwing stones at cars is lethal what part of that you dont understand? in your warped mind so hung over the fetish of Palestinian heat you totally lost your marbles they should sit in jail and some reform school if they want to see adulthood as those kids are up to no good already!

    • 54 2
      totally agree
      • Kameel
      • 08.08.10
      • 10:01

      But Chafeeka can you tell me what your soldiers and settlers are doing in Palestinian lands. and for what intent are they there !!! One more thing, who turned those 16 year olds violent and as a result of what ? By the way was the upbringing of the Lehi and Stern boys any better....? dropping the usual bias of being Gods chosen

  • 22. 61 1
    Occupation, Military Tribunals and Israeli Justice
    • Alex
    • 08.08.10
    • 06:18

    Nice article. Military courts are a tradition with colonial states that indulge in occupation and subjugation of the indigenous people. Generally the practice ensures that any potential troublemakers can be detained without trial, whereas, in a civilian court the charges would be dismissed due to lack of evidence.

  • 21. 37 2
    ahhh...the great democracy
    • bratt
    • 08.08.10
    • 04:59

  • 20. 55 2
    Soldiers Should Be ID'd
    • Mark of Lewiston
    • 08.08.10
    • 04:51

    These soldiers should be identified to the Israeli public. Their anonymity should not be preserved.

  • 19. 24 1
    Israel's legal system
    • Wespe
    • 08.08.10
    • 04:40

    is criminal. I'm surprised these haven't gone to an international forum. The military personnel involved should be indicted. If a so called democracy can get away with this injustice how can we in the West claim to have a moral superiority in the world. We should aspire to set an example for others to follow. Some example.

  • 18. 44 1
    Israel's legal system
    • Wespe
    • 08.08.10
    • 04:40

    is criminal. I'm surprised these haven't gone to an international forum. The military personnel involved should be indicted. If a so called democracy can get away with this injustice how can we in the West claim to have a moral superiority in the world. We should aspire to set an example for others to follow. Some example.

  • 17. 105 4
    Amira and Reality
    • Mark Lincoln
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:56

    They are Palestinians. They cannot be 'innocent' of anything. Because they are Palestinians, Arabs, they are 'Guilty' to most. They might not be 'guilty' as originally charged, but that does not matter. They are Palestinians, and Arabs, thus the MUST be guilty of something, anything. I lived as a white kid in the Segregated South. Whites were innocent until proven. Blacks were Guilty even if there was no evidence beyond a charge. That is how bigotry, how racism, how things work when the cards are stacked for one group and against another.

    • 3 64
      Crazy talk
      • Chaim Ben Kahan
      • 08.08.10
      • 09:04

      It is nothing of the sort. Someone threw these rocks and if not them then they knew who, so they were accomplices of the act. Israel has nothing to with the South and Arabs today are treated ten times better in Israel then Afro Americans are treated in the US.

    • 50 2
      You Prove His Point, Chaim
      • Mark of Lewiston
      • 08.08.10
      • 09:37

      Read your own rant.

    • 22 0
      Obviously you know something of the matter
      • Mark from Florida
      • 08.08.10
      • 10:03

      So by your own words, you "knew who" and "was an accomplice of the act!", Go turn yourself in, and get some counseling while you're at it. We all know people who "did something" or "need some correcting" when we see them!

    • 36 0
      You have just proved Mark Lincoln correct.
      • Jenny
      • 08.08.10
      • 10:03

      Your own writing convicts you - but you can't even see it. You should try to though. It is a sign of mental agility, honesty and strength to be able to see the inconsistencies in one's own argument, and to change one's mind. "Someone threw these rocks and if not them then they knew who" - reread what you've just written, and think about what you've just said and what you've assumed.

    • 9 1
      Obviously you know something of the matter
      • Mark from Florida
      • 08.08.10
      • 10:04

      So by your own words, you "knew who" and "was an accomplice of the act!", Go turn yourself in, and get some counseling while you're at it. We all know people who "did something" or "need some correcting" when we see them!

    • 35 0
      Chaim
      • Froy
      • 08.08.10
      • 10:05

      I don't remember "white only roads" in the US, nor "check points", not even a separation fence.

    • 36 0
      I agree, and even if found guilty, they get mild sentences
      • Boris
      • 08.08.10
      • 10:37

      The double standards are also obvious when you look at sentences that convicted Jews of killing Palestinians get, which are few months or a year at the most, vs. those of convicted Palestinians - a life sentence at best!

    • 28 0
      I have faith somewhere down the line
      • Reuben from NYC
      • 08.08.10
      • 11:16

      that all these cases will be reviewed , whether it be these bogus Israeli military courts to even these "militant killings" during arrest. There will be hell to pay and on a much grander scale than even South Africa because these people who suffered at the hands of Nazis and then turn around and pass the same abuses onto someone else need to be shown a lesson that no one is excused from such atrocities no matter how much they themselves have suffered at the hands of others.

  • 16. 39 1
  • 15. 71 2
    Israeli military court in the West Bank, whose sole defendants are Palestinians
    • Janine
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:43

    Why are Palestinians in the West Bank the only residents there subject to Military Law? If all people living there - including settlers- were subject to the same laws then I'm sure its application would be more considered.

  • 14. 74 3
    Who writes the rule book for Israeli soldiers - KGB?
    • Maureen Ann
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:42

    "We were handcuffed and blindfolded, and the soldiers threw us like garbage bags to the floor of the jeep," he related. "They kicked us during the car trip. Then they tossed us, face down, like garbage bags, from the jeep to the ground; some of us were injured." Israel, 'the only democracy in Middle East and has the most moral army in the world.' Political Zionist hasbara is also the best sick comedy!

  • 13. 40 0
    Ugly face of Israeli justice & Pathatic case of injustice dragging the kids for two years
    • Mohamed ( green mtn )
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:41

    For throwing stones at your oppressors , these kids are heros !! Only in Israel you hear this sort of injustice . How could you be proud to be an Israeli ? unless you have no heart & conscience ..., Unfortunatly this is just what we see and know , I am sure there are countless number of cases that we don't hear about .., I am hopeing The good citizens of Israel will rise up and demand a change in their goverment behavior...and join the civilized world ..

  • 12. 47 0
    Ugly face of Israeli justice & Pathatic case of injustice dragging the kids for two years
    • Mohamed ( green mtn )
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:41

    For throwing stones at your oppressors , these kids are heros !! Only in Israel you hear this sort of injustice . How could you be proud to be an Israeli ? unless you have no heart & conscience ..., Unfortunatly this is just what we see and know , I am sure there are countless number of cases that we don't hear about .., I am hopeing The good citizens of Israel will rise up and demand a change in their goverment behavior...and join the civilized world ..

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      Going way out on a limb, but my guess is...
      • Mark from Florida
      • 08.08.10
      • 09:35

      No. The majority are probably OK, but I suspect a significant minority say "it's us versus them, so get them any way we can'. A shame the concept of "what comes around goes around" is so foreign to both sides.

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      Unfortunately, as the Stanford prison experiment showed
      • 08.08.10
      • 18:25

      when fine, upstanding, moral people find themselves part of a system that gives them absolute power over others, and few checks on their behaviour, those fine, upstanding, moral people almost always lose those qualities with shocking speed, and act like the worst examples of humanity, even to those they know are innocent peers. It won't be 'the significant minority' who fall into the "it's us versus them, so get them any way we can" mindset, in fact, it won't even be a noticable minority who don't, you might find an occassional individual, here and there, ostracized and under great pressure to conform to that viewpoint, but everywhere else, going up the chain of command, and spilling out into society, the 'they're guilty of something, so it doesn't matter if they're not guilty of this specific thing, and you can punish them if you feel like it' attitude will be prevelant.

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    query
    • potobac
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:29

    Does anyone really question that Israeli kangaroo courts find Palestinians guilty and punish them when in actual fact they have committed no crime except BWP (breathing while Palestinian)?

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    And You Ask Why Hamas Has The Support It Does?
    • Binyamin in Orangeburg
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:08

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    'two dropped out of school'
    • Maggie
    • 08.08.10
    • 03:01

    This is how Israel operates to destroy new generations of Palestinians. Abuse, frighten and humiliate them, render them powerless and leave them with post traumatic stress disorders.

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    Eight Palestinian youths and the crime they didn't commit
    • jake
    • 08.08.10
    • 02:51

    Repulsive in a word.

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    "tossed like garbage bags"
    • Silvienne
    • 08.08.10
    • 02:40

    and charged with stone throwing, while settlers get away with killing Palestinians, destroying their property and terrorizing them on a daily basis. I don't think they get thrown like garbage bags when in custody, either. Double standards all around....

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    Bad police work - people attempting murder should not get away
    • Ron
    • 08.08.10
    • 02:37

    Catching someone else is not acceptable. Those who were throwing stones at the cars should be put away for a long time.