ADL chief: Flawed U.S. policy is undermining Mideast peace
'The argument that Palestinian-Israeli peace is the key to Mideast peace is an American myth.'
By Natasha Mozgovaya and Haaretz Correspondent Tags: ADL Barack Obama Israel newsAbraham Foxman has headed the Anti-Defamation League since the 1980s, serving often as an unofficial spokesman for the American Jewish community on issues of anti-Semitism and other affairs.
Who is to blame for the current crisis in the U.S.-Israeli relationship?
In the short term Israel is, but in the long term - the U.S. This is a flawed policy that we are seeing in the Middle East, that we were very much concerned about in the beginning of this administration, and that is to what extent this linkage will play in the policy and in the strategy of this administration. There are a lot of people in this administration who had advocated linkage - that all you have to do to resolve all the problems in the Arab Middle East is to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And it's a fantasy and an illusion that has been out there for a long time. But this administration has bought into this concept - even [Vice President Joe] Biden's language, that if we don't resolve this conflict American soldiers will die - that's the worst of that fallacy. When the secretary of state then says that it harms the bilateral relationship - what happens between the Palestinians and Israelis impacts American security. The solution of the problem is in Baghdad, Kabul, Tehran, maybe in Riyadh and Cairo. Not in Jerusalem.
The continuation of the crisis is the fault of the U.S. Whatever happened, the prime minister apologized publicly and privately, issued a statement, the interior minister issued a statement, Israel did an al-het, [Biden] even accepted it. And then to wake up in the morning and to find [State Department spokesman P.J.] Crowley saying these terrible words - and this is not only the secretary of state, this is the president - and what's worse, - with this linkage is also a belief that you can appease the Arabs, that all you must do is to placate them by giving them settlements.
Do you believe that if Netanyahu, as Martin Indyk suggested, announces a stop to all provocative actions in East Jerusalem, it will repair the damage?
So what's the next price? The belief that you can bring peace by placating the Arab position is wrong. Whatever you give, the answer is "no, come back with more." If freezing settlements is not enough, now it's Jerusalem. And then what? I don't understand why the U.S. doesn't say to the Palestinians: "Isn't peace in your interest? Why does Israel have to pay the price for the proximity talks?" Isn't talking to Israel in [Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas'] interest so he can see what can or cannot be done?"
It's not the first time Israel's right wing government has embarrassed American officials.
But what troubles me is that the U.S. is sophisticated enough to understand political bureaucracy, the non-functional elements in Israeli democracy. How come they understand it in Pakistan, Egypt - and they don't understand it in Israel? Everybody thought the issue was resolved.
Do you believe with the current level of mistrust between the U.S. and Israel can still effectively coordinate on the Iranian nuclear program issue?
I believe that can be separated, because when we talk about American and Israeli security there are a lot of things that we share and the intelligence world and the military world understand how close that link is. I think there is more trust and understanding in this part of the bilateral relationship than the political. I am not sure that the U.S. and Israel stand on the same page in this issue, but there are some sincere and respectful differences.
The question whether the U.S. will actually do anything in its power to prevent Iran from going nuclear - that's the issue today. That's part of the discussion, and it's not becoming a political issue in this country as well. I do believe that at the end of the day the way to repair is to go back to the bipartisan approach that worked for years. I am concerned that it might become a political football ... I hope it's a temporary crisis."
Some American analysts state that the settlements policy gradually distances the American Jewish community from Israel.
I don't think it's true. The majority of the American Jewish community is not happy with settlements. But it also isn't happy when the U.S. president tells the Israeli prime minister what to do. I think that in the beginning the president received advice that if you take the settlements issue public you don't have anything to lose, because the American Jews don't like settlements, and the Israelis as well, and this is a win-win. But the American Jews don't like the American administration dictating to Israel what it should or shouldn't do. And now it was the U.S. to raise the issue of Jerusalem, and not Israel. The U.S. raised the stakes on Jerusalem. And that's where we are now, and the Palestinians detect weakness in the hope of separating Israel.
During the previous crisis the U.S. administration finally retracted on the settlements issue, and as some described it, left Abu-Mazen out on a limb.
I hope it will happen this time as well. The irony is that if the U.S. wants Israel to make compromises, to take political risks, it needs to be closer to Israel, not to distance itself from Israel. Be careful what you ask for - Biden went [to Israel] because a lot of American Jews pressed this administration that the President must go to Israel and talk directly to the Israeli people. This administration compromised and sent the Vice President. On the one hand the speech is wonderful - but on the other hand what happened on Friday has totally undone all the good work. Because Amr Musa dictated to Abu Mazen to withdraw from the proximity talks and I don't know why the U.S. didn't tell Abu Mazen: "We are your friends and we believe that it is in the interest of the Palestinians, the Americans and the Israelis - rather than go to Israel and say, "You've got to give him something."
I am also disturbed that in this whole year there hasn't been one specific condemnation by the American administration about anything that the Palestinian Authority leadership has done or said. Not once! And how many times was Israel publicly criticized, condemned, in all kinds of places? I found this very troubling, the prime minister of the Palestinian Authority goes with the torch to burn Israeli food products, and the American administration doesn't say boo? The president of the Palestinian Authority threatens with religious war - and the states doesn't say boo. They dedicate a stage to the suicide bomber - and the U.S. doesn't say boo, because they believe placating will work - but it doesn't work. They wait for Israel to compromise, to take risks - but the U.S. continues to be the closest friend and ally. And what happened in the last 48 hours put it in a big question."
So do you think Biden is a true friend of Israel?
Yes. I think President Obama is a friend of Israel too. But I think it's a mistaken and counterproductive strategy and flawed analysis of what is in the best interest of the U.S. Support of Israel has served the U.S. interests more than supporting anyone else in the world.
Should Obama visit Israel himself in the near future?
I don't think we should count too much on that. When we made too much of it we got the vice president, and look what happened.
I've heard one analyst suggesting Israelis don't like Obama because of his color and middle name.
I think Israelis are not happy with him because of his policy. I think it has nothing to do with his name or his color.
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Foxman was not elected by the American Jewish community, and is not a spokesman-official or unofficial-for them. He was selected by a few to denounce anti-semitism, not as an expert on Israeli American relations. Many of us also resent Netanyahu's insult to our Vice President.
policy into shambles and like Carter Obama will leave the world in great peril and the kids will suffer.Obama is getting advice from Axelrod, and J Street all who don't get it. They think Israel is creating the problem but the problem is that the Arabs remain committed to destroy Israel.Obama can't squeeze the Pals because they are already kicking him in the face and his lackys are afraid to stand up to him. I have no respect for Axelrod or emanual and I wish Obama would resign with these horrible low souls who are lacking in history and compassionate wisdom.
Mr Foxman should decide whether he is an American or an Israeli. An Americabn Jew
Foxman's idea fails on the rather obvious fact that the last time there was peace in Muddle East was a 40-years-stretch sometime between 1050 and 950 BC--we'll take it as 980-940 BC for argument--specifically, the reign of Solomon. Even "pax-Macedonicus" and "pax-Romana" forced by tyranny of Macedonian and Roman Empires was not really peaceful (there were rebellions against both empires), and Muddle East has NEVER been peaceful since 70 AD--and especially not since Mohamed's bucket-kicking (around 630 AD), since Islam is a religion nearly devoid of peace!
To anyone who is still wondering at the the reason WHY Foxman is frothing at the mouth about the "bogus" linkage between Israeli policies and the safety of GI's in the region... Well, at least one Haaretz reporter has linked the dots: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1156460.html Even Akiva Eldar undersells the gravity of that story, because CENTCOM is not JUST worried about "US standing" in the region. David Petraeus is worried that Israeli intransigence is going to result in A REGIONAL WAR that will lead to vast American casualties. He has made the Joint Chief aware of that unpalatable fact, and in turn Mullen has made the White House aware that the price of its cowardice is going to be measured in flag-draped coffins. LOTS AND LOTS of flag-draped coffins.... It tends to concentrate the mind, that does...
He is as wrong as wrong could be for years....
trickery. Netanyahu apologized for the timing of the announcement, not for the policy itself. He seems to have hoped that Obama and his administration will miss this and then he could claim that the USA is not opposed to the policy of building Jewish neighborhoods in the East Jerusalem. Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton saw through this maneouver, which proves that they aresmarter than Netanyahu, his advisers, Mr. Foxman and few others have been hoping for.
Because it's clear where his loyalties lie.
This man is a disgrace and this time he has gone too far. If American Jews don't do something about the radicals who claim to speak for the community they will suffer the consequences.
What about the previous US administration Lynn, would you say that they were dysfunctional? Get real and stop posting nonsense.
makes a mess of everything everywhere they go. I have yet to see one thing this Admin. does that wouldn't be considered dysfunctional.
It's about time other Jewish organizations besides AFSI and ZOA found the courage to push back! Now, if only the URJ would get on board, American Jews would have a powerful coalition with which to stop the human rights hucksters of the Left and everyone else looking to sacrifice Israel to their cowardly causes. Western nations need to admit the obvious: ISRAEL IS NOT THE PROBLEM AND NEVER HAS BEEN. The problem is Islamofascism?the global jihad. It threatens democracy everywhere today. To stop it the West must learn to say "no" to the Muslim world. In demanding a secure and just peace for Israel, democracies everywhere will be strengthened against the Islamofascist threat.
Once Israel returns to the 67 borders peace will come to the Middle East. Iran will cease building their bomb and they will no longer arm Hizbollah and Hamas through their proxies. No longer will Iran threaten Israel with annihilation and they will send an ambassador to Israel.
It is amazing that you, an Israeli, think in terms of Arab demands on Jewish biblical heartlands. Its bizarre, that you don't know that the UN and the 4th Geneva Convention are making the demands that Israel abide by international law and withdraw from occupied Palestinian territory. The size of Israel is irrelevant. Israel agreed to that size when it declared statehood under UN 181, which precisely defined the borders of the State of Israel. No peace between members of the Arab League? Do you write that because you know no better, or you simply want to deceive. There is not one conflict between any members of the Arab League. The flaw in US policy has been to provide unstinting economic, political and military support to Israel for 62 years. The US has paid a heavy price for that support, because Israeli policies have resulted in unprecedented Muslim hostility toward the US and the American people. It has not been worth it: Israel has been an unreliable ally.
"It is time that the current Israeli government realizes that is is losing the support of American and European Jews who have supported Israel." Except, according to gallup Polls, American support for Israel is at a high point. It's this administration which is out of sync with the American public.
It is time that the current Israeli government realizes that is is losing the support of American and European Jews who have supported Israel. The ADL and similar organizations which demand lockstep support of the word from Tel Aviv will also lose strength. A unity govenment in Israel, supporting peace initiatives and not held hostage to the views of the small religious and settler parties is needed.
let's all tout the shining star of the only TRUE democracy in the middle east, but ummmm...when it suits israeli objectives, please understand that it's NO different than egypt or pakistan. good work, foxman!
Abe's indignant that the US demands Israel give Palestine something for nothing when in fact it wants Israel to stop taking from Palestine something for nothing... such insipid lies through fallacy this one can always manage to squeeze out so smoothly! Is there a school for that? I'd have so much fun there!
as a zionist agency who's unstated goal is in fact to promote israel's zionist objectives. it's just another prong of israel's propaganda offensive, and the only differences between it and aipac are focus and methods. nothing about this incident even begins to approach the realm of the adl's "proclaimed" purpose, yet mr. foxman is loudly decrying the u.s. stance with rhetoric that mirrors standard zionist propaganda.
Foxman will say anything really. Shameless. The Israelis and Palestinians don't need America to sort out their problems. They aren't children or idiots. If they willed peace, they could attain it without outside involvement. The USA is only pulled into it so that the Israeli right can continue playing games with land. And when the USA doesn't want to fulfill that role, and critiizes the game, the ADL throws a fit.
Since partition proposals were thwarted by Arab armed aggression, those proposals could not, both because of their inherent nature (recomendations)and because of the terms in which they were framed, operate as an effective legal disposition of a sovereign title. They could have been transformed by agreement of the parties into a consensual root of title.However this never happened. Even the idea that some kind of title remained in the United Nations is strange both with the absence of any evidence of vesting, and with complete United Nations silence on this aspect of the matter from 1950 to 1967? This creates a sovereignty vacuum, that could be acquire by any state that was in a position to assert effective and stable sovereignty without resort to unlawful means. This is exactly what Israel does. Moreover, there is also ground for more tolerance towards Israel's position, because of the historic centrality of Jerusalem to Judaism.
The U.S.A does not recognize nor adhere by the intl.law, bc she regards herself above it. Why should Israel? "Justice must follow righteousness" acc. to the Jewish Ethics. In other words base itself on the plain sincere truth. ("I solemnly swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth" with one*s two fingers on one*s Holy Book whatever it is; -sounds familiar?) The truth is on the Jews* side in this argument regardless the intl.laws, conventions and the UN resolutions, which have been made purposefully to serve other interests than the truth, from whence justice AND peace emerge. THEY should be put under a magnifying glass for scrutiny.
Dozens of one-sided anti-Israeli resolutions (some also by the Security Council), exclusion of Israel from key Un-bodies, anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist arguments repeatedly professed by members of the UN-Council. In the same time Arab and other repressive regimes in world enjoy impunity and have a large majority of votes within the UN-plenum. And this hypocritical rotten institution should be considered the casket of universal justice and "international Law"?
Foxman has the chutzpah to say, "Support of Israel has served the U.S. interests more than supporting anyone else in the world." Nothing could be further from the truth. Israel's national interests are not identical or even congruent with US national interests. Often, the national interests of both nations actually conflict. Israel has never sent a single soldier to join the US armed forces in any of the conflicts and wars that the US has fought. How is it then that Israel gets to be called "America's greatest ally?" Consider this: the US War Lobby consists of the Defense lobby, the Israel lobby and the Energy lobby, together. The interests of these three related special interest groups may somehow dovetail with those of the militant Jewish State, but they do not reflect the public interests of America's citizens. Israel has dragged the USA into eternal Holy War, in order to actualize Herzl's utopian but flawed vision. This is a perversion of America's mission.
the question is not the us policy in the middle east but simply put .....is israel ready to suspend all construction in territories beyond the green line for the sake of giving the indirect negotiations a chance ?....nothing may come out of it but shouldn't we try ?.mind you, israel is not asked to comit itself to a permanent cessation.......yes there is a major sticking point...east jerusalem...but who asked the israeli government to start a provocative confrontation..unless that is it wasn't too interested in these negotiations to begin with
..an old t.v. reference to "Fonzy" on Happy Days, when water skiing he jumped the shark and t.v. ratings for the show dropped... Foxman jumped the shark, and his approval ratings are falling. Not only is he mistaken on this policy position, but he accussed ten middle school kids in Naples Florida for anti-semitic behavior and two kids had jewish backgrounds ...go figure..
The world has been waiting (far too long) for the obvious solution to this issue. It was supposed to facilitate the horse trading on the existing settlements and water issues. Well, apparently not. So the world should recognize the 67 boundaries with no variance. The Palestinians should declare a state, the UN should recognize those boundaries, and send peace keepers. Any obstacles should be dealt with at the docket in the Hague.
Foxman gives one excuse after the next for sitting on our hands and doing nothing. His ADL has become little more than a Zionist cheering squad. Wake up fellow Jews! Let's stop worshipping this Golden Calf.
Therefore, unilateral annexation is not of higher significance than International resolutions. Even you know that. For, if Israeli laws were above all, why would Israel even dare send an ambassador to the UN? Why would Israel want the UN to enforce the resolutions on Lebanon? Shouldn't just Israel pass its own laws on it? You'd wish that your statement was true. However, as flawed as you seem to be, you know that puny laws from a rampant unstable state mean Jack to the World. And now that the US are distancing themselves from Israel, your argument is even less pertinent. But I know with what you are going to come up with - "God gave us the land"...
They are locked in step 30 years ago.
"..Jerusalem was designated as a corpus separatum, which meant that it was to belong to NEITHER the "Jewish state" nor the "Arab state"" corpus separatum was not implemented. It was not declared over on behalf of Israel. It remained a part of what was left of the non-state entity of Palestine, after Israel's Independence. "..they were both attempting a CONQUEST of that city, and conquest was deemed to be illegal well before 1948-49" 3 points 1) The Arab league DEMANDED Jordan only be a trustee. 2) They had a right, as regional powers to protect non-state territories from Israeli/Jewish forces outside of Israel's newly declared boundaries. 3) The UNSC did not condemn Jordan taking the West Bank. "Jerusalem was not more Israel`s to claim than it was Jordan`s to claim" Which is why the Arab League demanded only trusteeship! (which is why there is no UNSC res against their annexation. It was asked for by the Palestinians. I.e., bilateral) http://wp.me/pDB7k-il
Before 1967 there was no "occupation" but there was constant assault on territorial Israel. Why do all the naysayers including the Israeli left wing not confront this issue. This is an important issue. It needs to be discussed because going back to pre-1967 green line borders is not feasible.
Baghdad by Iraqis ? If really the "fate of palestinians endangers the lives of american soldiers" so Petreus would have brought them back from a tent camp in the desert on the Jordanian border they were revicted to from Baghdad.
a plain attempt to divert the attention from Arab/Muslim ideology of intransigent , of ideology of not compromising with infidels , a specially if that infidel is a Jew . Arab made every attempt to destroy Israel , to de-legitimize her , before any settlements , before 1967 . Look up the history of every war Arabs unleashed against Israel and read the open statements of their leaders about their intent against Israel . Parroting the party line is not a virtue , it is a testament to closed minds .
Israel knows what it must do to have peace. Green Line.... Really ?? Did Arabs accepted Israel's right to exist before 1967 ?? So what kind of green line are you flopping about ? Talk sense , my friend .
I`m afraid what the confused writer simply doesn`t get is that the status quo, especially with major step up in Israeli aggression since 2006, is an affront to decency... Any historic prospective of pre 2006 ? What was the reason for , as you call it , major step up in Israeli aggression ??? Are there many dark blanked out spots in your memories ???? But do not worry , you are not alone , there are many blank spotters are on this talk back .
of the ME that you making those long parroted statements ??? This entrenched in-boxed thinking , that the secret to a sweet Arab life lies in Jerusalem is a fallacy of truly delusional minds , like yours , and the ones we accidentally now have in the White House . But as always , a sacrificial lamb must be found ONLY in Jerusalem , and if it is found , the rest of the Arab/Muslim world will become a happy-ever-after never-land . What a bunch of blindfolded simpletons !
How very zionist of you to think it does. "#83 Labrhas; the Res. 478 is a violation of the Israeli Law" Liza Israeli law has no legality in Occupied territory. If the world operated on your policies---we would all be in deep trouble. Get used to it Liza---the Zionist enterprise of a greater Arab Frei Israel is over---finito---kaput--forbei--asta la never. BTW --WE ARE REFERRING TO EAST JERUSALEM. Although technically speaking --all of jerusalem is occupied.
Be assured that we have no issues about our officially elected president and his admin telling Israel what and what not to do..... Too much undue sensitivity and little substance . And for that matter WE DO have lots of issues about our elected president and administration . Soon we will see them all outside the gates of the White house .
Remember , when you handle with dreck sometimes you have to step in dreck . Being self-critical is important but being only self-critical , as you suggest , is outright wrong . Arabs want nothing more then to see a weakened Israel and this current administration is giving them a willing hand . Foxman has a valid point , and he does represent me , a true Zionist .
The Israeli law is above the International law? There are tens of other UN resolutions, which Israeli has not followed.It is only so, that youself are very seldom the best judge in your own case.Anyway until now there are not so many nations which consider the unification of Jerusalem legal.How many embassies there are in Jerusalem? Not a single one!Embassies are always in the capital of the countries.
L: "You do remember that East-Jerusalem was stolen by Jordan from Israel in 1948-war, don*t you?" No, but then again I didn't grow up in Bizarro Earth. On THIS Planet Earth Jerusalem was designated as a corpus separatum, which meant that it was to belong to NEITHER the "Jewish state" nor the "Arab state". That Israel and Jordan fought over it in 1948-49 does not alter that basic fact i.e. they were both attempting a CONQUEST of that city, and conquest was deemed to be illegal well before 1948-49. Your basic premise is therefore flawed, because in 1948-49 Jerusalem was not more Israel's to claim than it was Jordan's to claim.
... a big way, now we have to swallow also the American ADL and AIPAC offenses?
"You do remember that East-Jerusalem was stolen by Jordan from Israel in 1948-war, don*t you?" Read the armistice AGREEMENT. Israel AGREED that Jordan would occupy. Jordan was forced, by the Arab League to be a temporary Trustee only, in accordance with the UN Charter. "Israel re-claimed it back in 1967 war" It was not formerly Israel's. It is not now. "My sense of justice is not that distorted that I would support a theft.." You are though.. "Res. 478 is a violation of the Israeli Law" Israeli Law is not International Law. Israel is obliged to adhere to International Law. http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#the-big-lie
CJK: "Israel has nothing whatever to do with the deaths of American soldiers." General David Petraeus thinks otherwise, Cipora. You really do need to follow the link below, because it not only explains the American reaction, but ALSO explains why Foxman is so apoplectic... http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/03/14/the_petraeus_briefing_biden_s_embarrassment_is_not_the_whole_story Petraeus is convinced that you are talking ignorant nonsense and - even more important - he has convinced the White House and the Joint Chiefs that he is right and you, so sorry, are wrong. CJK: "JB, American soldiers are killed by the enemy" Sophistry. I was talking about Israeli policy PUTTING US SOLDIERS AT INCREASED RISK, I was not talking about Israel gunning down GI's.
MoL: "What Does Foxman Know?" He knows the contents of this briefing given by CENTCOM to the Joint Chiefs Of Staff: http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/03/14/the_petraeus_briefing_biden_s_embarrassment_is_not_the_whole_story If I were Foxman I'd be going ballistic too. Too late, I'm afraid, because the Obama Adminstration has obviously decided to listen to Petraeus rather than to take the advice of Foxman. I would too.... after all, who wouldn't?
Perhaps Foxman knows as much about the risks of GIs, but does he care when Israel is involved? Is he more concerned about risks to American GIs or risks to Israel?
acc. to which Jerusalem was annexed to Israel. You do remember that East-Jerusalem was stolen by Jordan from Israel in 1948-war, don*t you? Israel re-claimed it back in 1967 war. A right thing to do. My sense of justice is not that distorted that I would support a theft, which this Res. 478 is doing. A Resolution or any law that twists right to wrong and vice versa is quite simply unethical and outright blasphemous and not worth of any respect nor to be followed. It undermines the concept of justice altogether!
... for people under scandalously protracted occupation, who also serve as our dirt-cheap vassals... do not accuse you of "lies", just abysmal ignorance...
It has been said of Pollard by his defenders that he is an Israeli with an American passport. The same can be said of a person who considers the welfare of another country more important than that of his own.
The Article is pointing out the American attitude when it comes to Israel; it does encroach on Israel sovereignty and reduce its ability to conduct fair and square peace talks with the Arab world. Sure, USA and Israel are friends who share certain political, military and economic interests, but not at any cost the friendship allows one party to impose its national and international agenda on the other. Before Mr Obama was elected, I concluded from his speeches that his agenda is going to be beyond your normal American one, when it comes to the ME. Lets not forget the people that are regarded as the inner circle of the Chicago Clans. There were many Arabists Prof. of all origins, Muslim scholars (follow the trip to Indonesia) as as Imams were part of his closer external circles, as we know it to-day. Israel finally should use this opportunity to take a different route for its own future international relations: India, China, Latin America and especially Africa, yes Africa will become
... they think that this verbal gesture or that should satisfy the Pals, until the next time... but matters have reachead a crechendo with Israel's chutzpa and potential additional territorial acquisitions... Bidden was merely a witness close at hand... the flaw lies clearly with this hopeless coalition government... the only thing the are capable of doing is causing a conflagration and blaming it onto the Pals...
?American Jews don't like the American administration dictating to Israel what it should or shouldn't do.? Nonsense, American Jews are loyal and patriotic Americans. They are not firstly Israelis subverting US interests and they can see from afar how damaging the path is that Israel is following. They know how desperately important it is for Israel to change course and they know that it is only their country that has the power to persuade them to do so. ?Why does Israel have to pay the price for the proximity talks?" It?s unreasonable to complain that Israel is forced into concession while Pal isn?t. Cancelling settlement expansion isn?t a concession. It?s no big dead, it?s not retreating from land, it?s just canning a building project that hasn?t begun yet. Build within the green line or maybe build homes in E Jerusalem/WB that aren?t exclusively for Jews. Holding all the power in the relationship, it is up to the Israel to concede autonomy, land, peace. The Pals no power and little to concede, since it is they, after all, who are living under occupation.
The ADL is not a body elected by American Jews. It clearly does not speak for me nor many others. Israelis often lament the lack of support and connectedness with young diaspora jews and claim that only better hasbara will solve the situation. Wrong! It is the colonialist policy of the Israelis. The problem with the announcement of housing in East Jerusalem was not the timing; it was the policy itself which should be condemned.
And that is his greatest sin !
"Just because Israel,s leaders claim Jerusalem as theirs does not make it so." Meanwhile, the area in which this neighborhood is contained was on the Israeli side of the map Abbas provided during negotiations. It's pretty clear that this neighborhood will remain in Israel. Just because you don't want Jews living in East Jerusalem, doesn't mean you'll have your way, and that they are not entitled to live there, racist.
Jordan and Egypt probably want the Palestinians in a cage. Please study the history of these countries and their relationship to the Palestinians over the past 50 years or so and it is clear. The seizure of Kuwait in the first Gulf war by Palestinians in support of Sadam basically sealed their fate in the view of many Arab oil states. Historically, the Palestinians may have had a priority right to much of the oil lands going back to WWI and before; but that is ancient history which the victors, including the British, have forgotten.
did you read the article???. Just because Israel,s leaders claim Jerusalem as theirs does not make it so. There is such a thing as international Law. We know Israel and their slavish supporters do not respect it---but the rest of us do . That is Israel,s problem. OH ---Google UNSCR ---478 to learn why East Jerusalem is "not" sovereign Israeli territory. Oh here I will do it for you. " Security Council Resolution 478, adopted on August 20, 1980, declared Israel's 1980 Jerusalem Law null and void and required that it be rescinded forthwith while affirming that it was a violation of international law. This resolution called upon member states to withdraw their diplomatic missions from the city. The law declared Jerusalem to be Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital. The resolution was passed with 14 votes to none against, with the United States abstaining.
or throw it under a bus, or any of the other emotional claptrap mentioned here, even though its not obvious to me what single benefit the US derives from Israel. What the US just hopefully might do is insist that Israel follows international law, stops stealing Palestinian land; and makes a genuine effort to negotiate a peace on borders close to the 48-67 ones, including sharing Jerusalem. On these substantive issues Esther is correct, Israel has not made a single positive gesture. Imprisoning Palestinians on spurious grounds, and then letting some out is not really a gesture. Israel Palestine is the cause celebre of the Muslim world, and the one that the west finds impossible to justify. That is why the west needs to insist that it is fixed in a fair manner.
Israel bits the hand that feeds them.
Both sides seem intractable which can only end in another war in the area. For those who think that the US will, in that circumstance, not completely support Israel, wake up. It gives the US a perect excuse to "resolve" its problems with Iran as it has the force in the area to accomplish that task with the "proper" will and incitement.
of dis-information/propaganda/hasbara... If you tell a lie often enough and long enough, people will be inclined to see it as the truth... if you question it, you'll be labeled as an anti-semite.
"When did Foxman serve in the US Military? In what branch? At what rank? What does Foxman know about risks to American GIs?" M of L Sir. Abraham Foxman -baptized catholic Henryk Stanislas Kurpi - served in the same branch as President Obama and knows about GI's risks as much as President Obama.
Because I am not aware of there being any Middle East Peace, apart from with Jordan and Egypt, who are paid by the United States not to attack Israel.
Words and more words. Foxman feels very threatened??? Of what??? Ohhhh I see now. Johnboy tells us that Obama is going to convince the American public that American soliders are going to die because of Israel. And that's it. Uhhhhhh Johnboy you should get it already. Democratic senators are quicking the party. Obama's popularity is rocketing down, and the last thing he needs is an open clash with America's most popular ally. The worst thing Israel can do through the eyes of American christian majority is to divide Jerusalem. Not enough?? Even Noam Chomsky admits that israel and American imperialist interests are similar. Obama rightly wants to slap Israel in its face for having humilliated him. That's it. If Obama wants to confront Israel in America, he will obviously lose. America is certainly not Harvard.
" Israel has never made even one conciliatory gesture in good faith" Recognition of PA? Allowing PA into territories? Release of prisoners? Acceptance of PA promise to amend charter (which never happened)? Treatment of Palestinians in Israeli hospitals? Providing water and power to enemy territories while under fire? Providing apprehended terrorists (aka illegal combatants) with rights afforded by the geneva Conventions to POWs? Acceptance of the Clinton parameters? Creation of Zones A, B, C? Financing agricultural infrastructure after withdrawal from gaza? Allowing Waqf to control Temple Mount? You're a dingbat, Esther, and a very dishonest one.
to building in East-Jerusalem is incomprehensible. The Israeli politicians have made clear that Jerusalem is NOT NEGOTIABLE! Hereby Jerusalem is like any other city in Israel, where building is taking place as a normal phenomenon. The U.S.A*s disproportionate reaction to its own misinterpretation of Jerusalem*s position or anger over Israel*s decision to keep Jerusalem, shows the U.S.A in a ridiculous light. In this critical time when the Iranian A-Bomb is hanging over Israel and Europe, the U.S. reaction shows that the U.S. has its priority order upside down. This makes me ask whether the U.S. can be considered competent anymore to deal with peace negotiations. I have second thoughts. Europe *d be a more down-to-earth and objective negotiator. The U.S.A is hopelessly entangled in its own web it has weaved. Whose fault is that?
Anyone would notice that absurd is the arab demand that Israel surrender its biblical heartlands when such tiny territory is compared to the OIC-Arab League territorial empire . Moreover absurd is the OIC-Arab League promise of 'peace' when there is none between OIC-Arab League members . Thus the ADL chief is correct: There is a fundamental flaw in the U.S. policy called Road Map .
Israel has nothing whatever to do with the deaths of American soldiers. Ammerican soldiers are killed by the enemy they are fighting. Claiming that American soldiers die for Israel is a blood libel. Nothing, however, would surprise me at this point.
after Golf 1 and almost all pals were expelled from Iraq after Saddam's fall. In Lebanon all pals are confined to camps. So where is this "feeling of pain of pals by arab countries"?
i'm proud of you .. the great america is back and now the reign of israel is ended. keep your eyes boys. you have my support against stat terrorism have a nice day all
... to begin with, look at the ridiculous travesty called the "settlement freeze"... not only has the "freeze" been partial and minimal and full-of-holes, but even what remains of it will be totally reversed on the day after this so called "freeze" reaches it's official "end"... there is not the slightest intention of reigning in settlement expansion...
One of the most wicked organizations in the USA.
Your comment: "Your anti-Americanism is showing." to CJK. Stop jumping to conclusions, after all you would say that criticism of Israel is not anti Israel (or anti-semitism). So, criticism of the US is not anti-American. Friends should feel free to criticise each other shouldn't they? Why do you think it should only work one way? This US administration is showing what some would call inexperience. For example, why did Clinton stick her nose into the Falklands business? The Brits were not happy at all - and there was a lot of criticism in the press. To me, it seems that if Obama & co don't mind revisiting & realigning long-standing US relationships then they shouldn't expect those on the receiving end to sit back and smile sweetly.
the self chosen can never find themselves at fault so hate USA for allowing them to exist...perhaps now they will learn to love us
briefly: i am not anti-american at all. i just do not like the present administration. that is my right.
Mr. Foxman says "that the U.S. is sophisticated enough to understand political bureaucracy, the non-functional elements in Israeli democracy. How come they understand it in Pakistan, Egypt - and they don't understand it in Israel?" Here it goes Foxman, Israel is an OCCUPIER and neither is Pakistan nor is Egypt. Israel is choking the living hell of Palestinians daily lives. You seem to forget the words 'occupation' and 'occupier' when you defend Israel who has flaunted every international law. Foxman describes linkeage between the Palestine/Israel conflict, and American Security, a ?fantasy?. Here it goes Mr. Foxman, when the Israelis treat Palestinians as sub-humans under a most brutal occupation, other countries in the region feel the pain of the Palestinians and feel anger towards Israel and its supporters and that deeply impacts America?s security not just in the region, but inside the US. As an US citizen yourself, this really should be of great concern to you. Hope this helps.
You might try asking any US military person who the current Commander in Chief is. Obama's enlistment started last year. Axelrod served in the Clinton Administration, as a Presidential adviser. He has experience. When was the last time Foxman stood up for the US as opposed to Israel, when US interests diverged? I cannot recall. Can you? Israeli interests are not always American interests. Your anti-Americanism is showing.
The moment it was clear Israel would not give back the lands stolen in 1967, Israel should have been abandoned by every country with an interest in international law.
When criticizing one form of racism while supporting another is despicable (His support for Lieberman).
I'm very much opposed to the Israeli policies towards the Palestinians. However, Obama should not be making public and insulting demands of what Israel should or shouldn't do. Rather, he should apply pressure behind the scenes. Obviously Obama is shooting his mouth off because the issue of the Palestinians doesn't matter very much to him. But, because he lost face, he has to be insulting towards Israel. And since, the US government sends Israel about 4 billion dollars each year in aid and since Israel does not want the US getting into bed with the Palestinians, the Israeli leadership has to except it. Of course, the Israeli leadership realizes Obama's words are just empty demands and that it won't effect policy.
did obama serve in the u.s. military? what experience did he have before he was elected president? did axelrod serve in the u.s. military? what experience did he have before he was appointed senior advisor to the president? your smear of double loyalty is nothing new coming from you.
not doing his job as head of the ADL. The ADL's job is to stop anti-semitism. Foxman's outlandish defense of Israel can only create more anti-semitism. I mean are American Jews and Israelis really this blind to the realities in the territories, and how this issue is indeed the number one security threat to the US. Does Foxman care more about the US (where he is from), or Israel? sometimes with these people it is hard to tell. they openly criticize the US government, but won't even allow any criticism of Israel's government.
So you bring one of the Turkish Islamist antisemitism argument to the table. Yes there were Jews in Young Turks, but it was not a Jewish organization..What you suggest is, if there are Jews anywhere, then it is Jewish by default..Don`t pretend you know Ottoman history, i am a Turkish Jew and i sure know a lot more from you.
That's basically it. Foxman wants every intractable problem in the Middle East solved before the US looks at Israel and Palestine, because in that time he knows the settlements can go on growing and he hopes Greater israel can steal more land. In doing this he's putting right-wing Israeli interestes before America's interests, because just about any serious commentator who looks at the Middle East knows that the Israel/Palestine conflict has helped destabilise the Middle East for decades, long before Al Qaeda and Khomeini. Sure, it's not the only problem to be solved in the Middle East, but it is the biggest one.
It seems that the American administration has decided to throw Israel under the bus. The fact that they are now suggesting Israel may be responsible for deaths in Afganistan is quite telling. Check out this piece on how the Obama adminstration is weakening America and abandoning Israel: http://anothermudpit.blogspot.com/2010/03/weakening-america-and-abandoning-israel.html
ISrael can thank its lefty Jewish friends in the US for this disastrous American foreign policy. Foxman now says Obama is wrong and is hurting a chance for peace. Where was he and his money men of the Democratic party during the presidential campaign. DId they not read anything Obama wrote? Did they not see who his friends were? They are the reason that this is happening. The leftist Jews and their stupidity caused this crisis, and when Jews die they can line themselves up with the likes of Josephus and other collaborators who helped murder their own people. Their false disbelief is insulting and their mea cuplas repugnant.
To fight anti-Jewish sentiments and racism in the U.S. and around the world, or to meddle into the Israeli-Arab conflict...??? It's a sad state of affairs, that an organisa- tion that once did a lot of good things, has turned under Abe Foxman's leadership into a pure political tool for right-wing Israel and the settlers. And it is a very sad irony, that exactly the organisation, that was supposed to fight anti-Semitism, has become (together with AIPAC and the U.S. Congress) by far the biggest new anti-Semitism creator in the U.S. and around the world....
After reading many of the respondents replies, I happen to come to the conclusion, and their rantings. Their Jew Hatred is unsurmountable. If we drink the water we die, and if we don't drink the water we die. It appears, even were we able to fly off to another Galaxy we will still be blamed and hated.
I think the writer is on course. Though I believe a number of the replies, accusing Israel of being a right wing state are fools. It is inherent that you Yanks ought to stop living on a pink cloud and come down to Earth. Stop Blaming the Jews, The arabs could have had peace any time but they chose the opposite. We Jews fought for and developed this our only rightfull place on the planet. But you morons couldn't see reality if it smacked you straight in the face.
Abe Foxman and Benjamin Netanyahu. What is the difference between the two? Except for the fact that they live in two different countries, they might well be each others echo. They have the same distorted view of reality. Foxman is very angry that the US has not condemned the Palestinians even once. To be "balanced" one must show the same attitude to the aggressor as well as the victim. People like him and Netanyahu have not learnt any lessons from history. I fear for the people who have such leaders. Currently we see what the base leadership in the Muslim world has done to the Muslim countries. Don't get carried away by the notion that what is bad for others (bad leadership) is good for Israelis.
Wow, what audacity this Fox has. EVen the air Israelis breath is courtesy of US taxpayer what an ungrateful bunch of morons
The world is changing and support both for the one sided support from the U.S. towards the persecution of Palestinian peoples, has waned. Israel has lost respect due to it's continued desire to build on land it does not have a right to. The U.S. has come under negative reactions from it's allies due to this unfair situation. Iran also would soften a bit if Israel was not so arrogant about this and that's a fact. Most of the people in Canada think it's unfair that Hamas is deemed a "terrorist" and Israel is not on the list. Everyone has lost patience and Israel has let down the U.S. many times regarding a peaceful solution.
but in opposition to Congressional resolution recognizing the Armenian Genocide... is he in any way fearful of what investigations of the Armenian Genocide may bring to light - Jewish Young Turks?
Read Foxman's comments more carefully, and you'll see he is desperately attempting to head off what he sees as this Administration's next main message: Blind American support for Israeli intransigence endangers the lives of US soldiers. If Obama can make that message resonate with the US voting population then it is All Over Red Rover, because toeing the AIPAC line will become un-American and AIPAC will instantly loose the entire Congress. Foxman: "But this administration has bought into this concept - even Biden's language, that if we don't resolve this conflict American soldiers will die - that's the worst of that fallacy." No, Abe, it isn't the "worst of that fallacy". It is merely "your worst nightmare". Abe Foxman isn't stupid; he can see what Obama is attempting to do, and it scares him shitless. He is right to be very frightened.
#9 Mr. Foxman is entitled to free speech. Even anti Israel comments are allowed by this newspaper. Why is this?Israel is a democracy, the only democracy in the middle east.The United States does not have a better friend in the region. And for those who are against aid to the nation of Israel it is plain to see by the failings of the American military in the middle east that it is cheaper to help Israels military then to field the American army there.
Ya know, Israel is really pushing it when it comes to playing the "Chosen People" card vs. playing the sovereign state card which makes them subject to international law. Either way, Israel is wrong when it lies about halting settlements and then resumes building them. This is what your "Good Book", "The Torah" says about making promises or vows: Eccl. 5:4-5 "When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. 5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay". And, you wonder why you have been in trouble for the past 3,300 odd years since the "giving of the law"? Yahweh doesn't like slackers, Israel, so get with it, or, get out of "The Chosen People" business.
I am an american jew who voted for Obama and was excited about what he represented. I must say while I love my country I also am aware of the survival of the jewish people. It is plain to see what is going on here. Yes Israel had poor timing in her annoucement of the settlement expansion, but what I have read today is nothing more then Blatant anti semitism coming out of the Obama camp. This strikes at the heart of myself and other american jews. Do not come with your handout Mr. Obama whan it is time for re election.You will not get the American jewish vote. And all those things that were said about you about having muslim leanings prior to the election, well where there is smoke there is fire.
When did Foxman serve in the US Military? In what branch? At what rank? What does Foxman know about risks to American GIs? When did Foxman serve in the US foreign policy apparatus? In what Department? Was he a Secretary once? Or an Under-Secretary? Or any other government's foreign policy bureaucracy? Have Foxman's kids served in the US military or in the US government? Or is his entire portfolio of experience being part of Likud and heading an anti-US government organization? The ADL hasn't been about civil rights or antisemitism in the US for decades. It is just a branch or the Israeli Likud party.
From day 1 this administration has condemned everything Israel does whilst sucking up to the islamic world and bowing down to royalty and saying America is on their side. From the palestinians he has demanded nothing. Abbas has been makes excuse after excuse not to talk mainly because Obama led him believe he could have anything he demanded. Bibi goes head - head with his coalition partners to freeze settlements in Judea & Samaria and he calls Abbas to talk but he refuses. Obama doesn't say to Abbas Israel made the first move so you reciprocate he just says to Bibi he hasn't done enough to make Abbas happy so do more Biden was sent to try make problems Obama wants to topple Bibi because he wants Livni in charge. She will do as she is told & ensure Obama his legacy The problem the US made long term is getting involved at all. Israel & the arabs should have been left alone to find a solution between themselves. Unfortunatly we have US presidents with egos wanting to all the credit
Remind me. Is it just because Barak had to be Defense Minister?
If he doesn't think the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is a prime motivation for Islamic militancy, then perhaps he should read some of the Islamic websites. It's easy to talk arrogant nonsense, but when soldiers are dying on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan, then perhaps he should shut his mouth.
Linking Israel Palestine peace process to a host of mid-east problem is a fallacy, but so is a fallacy that Israel Palestine problem is a minor snafu in the mid-east, and US is better off solving other issues, while Israel will continue to expand into Palestine territories/disputed territories. Nothing to do with US administration, the whole world is against Israeli unilateral expansion. US thinks it is Israel's friend, and therefore, clearly pointing it out. Israel should be genuine in bringing peace to its berders, and not worry about what else is happening in that region, and use that as an excuse to divert US and world attention.
This ORG and Abe Foxman both are butts of the joke. I never seen anyone as shameless as ADL and Abe Foxman.
From way off here on a far sideline, it seems to me that the U.S. has every right to be very angry. The decision to build settlements in East J. was not made by the U.S. Nor, in the final analysis, is it the United States' responsibility to fix the problem of Israel and the Palestinians. It's certainly in its, and the worlds, interest, to do so but it's not inherently its responsibility. That belongs to Israel and the Palestinians. And, for all the politics, for all the history, for all the pain, for all the insecurity of the state of Israel, it's still true that winning a war does not mean that the victor automatically has the right to, or that it makes sense to, annex the territory of the beaten party.
?Foxman has headed the Anti-Defamation League since the 1980s, serving often as an unofficial spokesman for the American Jewish community on issues of anti-Semitism and other affairs.? So, who made him a spokesman? Is he a self-declared spokesman? Last I heard, American?s who happen to be Jewish are all patriotic US citizens. Just who does Foxman represent, and who elected him spokesman of ?the American Jewish community?? At any rate, poor Mr. Foxman appears to be in way over his head. He better leave the task to others, assuming that the ascribed portfolio even exists.
The arguments I have been hearing from or on behalf of the Israeli right/ settlers' movement for the past 40 years seem to become increasingly shrill and intellectually dishonest. There is no point in arguing with people who no longer believe their own public arguments. There is only a choice be made. What do you propose to do with the large population of non-Israeli's you've captured and imprisoned? The more of their land, resources and freedom you remove, the more responsible you become for their welfare. Your soldiers and politicans say that you do not want to handle their sewage. Pretty soon they will be voting in your elections.
Sir, You preference is understandable - you prefer patriotic Arabs - Sirhan-Sirhan, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, etc
I missed the part where you served our nation in the military Mr Foxman. You seem to think our troops are not dying in anyway because of our support of Israel. Funny General Petreus says they are. Now I would take his insight before I would take some windbag from the ADL who never served one day in the military. Stick to looking for anti semitism and stay out of our foreign policy. Israel is more of an liabilty than a asset for America.
Many, many Jews in Israel and abroad have such a warped, self-centered view of the Middle-East and Israel. They are blind to the injustice Israel commits, and have to always be reminded that two wrongs don't make a right. Their moral compass is really out of whack.
This article is amusing. It suggests that the U.S. is making terrible demands on Israel by asking that Israel stop stealing Palestinian land. Also amusing is the idea that America's support for Israel has been beneficial to the U.S.: "Support of Israel has served the U.S. interests more than supporting anyone else in the world." Prior to the creation of Israel, the U.S. had a friendly relationship with the Arab world. Sociological studies indicated that the Arabs admired the British for their achievements, but resented their colonialism. On the other hand, the Arabs ascribed to the Americans the positive qualities of the British without the charge of colonialism. U.S. support for Israel ended America's honeymoon with the Arab world. The hostility toward the U.S. has been expensive. The attack on New York on September 11 is just one of the costs. It is true that Israel helps the U.S. in their conflicts in the Middle East, but these conflicts exist because of the U.S. support of Israel.
He understands EXACTLY where the danger lies, and you can see it when he decries any attempt to link (a) Israeli intransigence with (b) the increased likelyhood of dead GI's. Foxman is right to be terrified of that linkage gaining traction with the American public, because if it does then he may as well pack up the shop now and go home to Israel. If Obama is able to make the US public aware that the cost of allowing Israel to do as it pleases *IS* measured in flag-draped coffins then he will win, because NOBODY inside or outside of Congress will dare to stand up and say that this is a cost worth paying.
"Do you believe that if Netanyahu, as Martin Indyk suggested, announces a stop to all provocative actions in East Jerusalem, it will repair the damage?" YES!!!!!
"The solution of the problem is in Baghdad, Kabul, Tehran, maybe in Riyadh and Cairo. Not in Jerusalem." Without intending to be ironic, Abe Foxman has clearly and concisely indicated what the problem is. The problem is ALWAYS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
None sense, I do not really know whether the writer is so no naive or so dump. Abbas is a leader of an occupied people; he does not have anything that the US government can ask him to give up! What do you want him to give up? He does not have any thing, but occupied land! May be he needs to give up assisting you with security, or maybe he needs to go a little farther and give up ASKING for the 67 land, he already with Arafat gave up historic Palestine, Which is fine for the sake of peace, but!! Enough is enough.
No Abe, that is the typical ISRAELI response. We are sick of your constant spin Abe and your voice has become very annoying.
in the short term it is isrl but in the long term it is not just the US, but Britain as well. The pals have a legitimate complaint, but the zionists in britain and the US are the biggest problems, and well lets just stop fooling ourselves, the Gov'ts of isrl r just as much to blame. every jew knows that the Pals have as much history there as the jews do. but no one ever recognizes their history. they brainwash everyone of the isrlies as much as they brainwash the westerners. the only difference is that the people of the west are no longer seeing what they are told to see. they have learned that every zionist is their enemy, and until the isrlies learn this, they will be screwed. good luck people its up to you to act on right, and not to act on the wrong. once you learn your real history, you will see the truth.
Dude does not even try to answer about anything of the substance of the "crisis" that has occurred. Israel is at fault,[for the short term??? what does that mean??}, no mention of what they did on to a diatribe about Pesident Obama and how he is messing up Israels good time. We elected him to get real and don't think he won't. As far as the reason why he is not "reprimanded" the Palestinians , they behave with a lot more self control than the fools running your Govn'mnt, Israel straighten up YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FRIENDS? We got lots and lotsa friends- we don't need you and we are getting sick of the RIGHT WING warmongering Govn'mnt you keep,[barely]], electing! There are a lot of smart, cool, good people in Israel, when will they be the majority? Are they all moving away? Where dio they post op-eds, I need to read some sane Israeli opinions!!
Well that settles it. It turns out that Israel?s problems are the fault of the US. It also turns out that the US has gained more from this dysfunctional relationship than has Israel. Let?s not forget, no linkage. We are to believe that the Israel/Palestinian conflict has nothing to do other issues in the greater region. What a piece of drivel! Here is a different analysis written by Thomas Friedman the New York Times columnist and titled, ?Driving Drunk in Jerusalem:? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/opinion/14friedman.html?ref=opinion I challenge Natasha Mozqovaya and Abraham Foxman to read it with an objective mindset. It is never to late to learn. Blaming your best friend for all of your problems is not only dysfunctional. It is perhaps an even bigger insult than the one the US recently experienced at the hands of the Israeli PM and his extremist allies.
"the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is a fantasy. The solution of the problem is in Baghdad, Kabul, Tehran, maybe in Riyadh and Cairo. Not in Jerusalem. The continuation of the crisis is the fault of the U.S. The belief that you can bring peace by placating the Arab position is wrong. I think Israelis are not happy with him because of his policy. I think it has nothing to do with his name or his color" Abe Foxman Your not an American Foxy man. Your loyalty is to Israel first, last, and always. That's okay. But please, get the hell out of America. Your bloated face and skewed perspective is just too Kach for me. Salaam/Shalom
Wow, I thought the ADL was like the ACLU and for all people. This cat is their spokesman? I had the wrong idea. I did not think they had an agenda like this. i thought that they protested individuals, not Nations from defamation. Excuse me, CERTAIN nations, not the US which is defamed here pretty nicely.
you said: But the American Jews don't like the American administration dictating to Israel what it should or shouldn't do. That is the problem. Iranians, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians are also like Israelis. Nobody likes to be dictated to.
Support of Israel has served the U.S. interests more than supporting anyone else in the world - REALLY?? And how would that be? I would have preferred an enumeration of the items that make this so. I also see statements that Obama is a friend of Israel, but I see no statements about whether Netanyahu a friend of the United States. What a self-serving bit of claptrap.
No country in the entire world recognizes the annexation of East Jerusalem including the US. Building Jewish only housing there is ILLEGAL. This is not a matter of compromise. This is a matter of fundamental right and wrong.
Palestinian PM was burning SYMPOLICALLY products of ILLEGAL settlements built on stolen Palestinian lands. President Obama, as Friedman writes in today's NYT, should get tougher not softer with Israel. Mr. Foxman, please stop being an apologist for Israel's right-wing policies. I support President Obama's firm position against those who insult our country whether they are in Beirut or Tel Aviv.
Mr. Foxman's view of the world is only through 'traditional' Jewish eyes, values, fears and aspirations. It is exactly what is not neeeded to resolve today's problems in either Israel, the Middle East or the rest of the world. In addition, his insuppressible Republican leanings have made him a leader in propagating the politically explosive untruth that the Obama administration's openness to dialog with all parties to the disastrous mess that is the Middle East means that the president is 'anti-Israel' - a silly notion indeed. Mr. Foxman adds nothing but negative emotion to any debate on viable options for the region. His Manichaean views are harmful to all, and they preclude open, rational problem-solving. Anyone who sees no link whatever between Israeli abuses, perceived or actual, of the Arab population within and on its borders and the intensity of anti-Americanism in the Moslem world is not living in the same world with the rest of us.
The author also should understand what Gandhi said, he opposed creating the state of israel, may be he foresaw what was to come out of israeli society, particularly that of the coward politicians.
Foxman is absolutely right. First, the claim that Israel is responsible for the various crises in the Middle East is false and absurd. Such rhetoric is propaganda fed by Muslims to distract Americans from the threat of Islamic terror. Second, the Obama administration has failed in its so-called engagement policy with Iran and Syria. This failure is the result of bad policy. Linking the Iranian nuclear crisis with the Palestinian issue was a tragic blunder. Iran, as has been stated by members of the administration, by NATO members, as well as by Sunni states, is a clear threat to world peace. Third, the endless public criticism, and even overt hostility, manifested by Obama and his closest advisers toward Netanyahu has led to the present crisis. Although Israel depends on the US for certain arms and political support in the Security Council, it remains a fact that Israel is a sovereign state and a long standing ally.
Many here in the U.S, disagree with the assertion that The US Govt is to blame: Spineless Israeli & US POLITICIANS (controlled by oligarchs) continue to send all of us toward WW3. US Aid finances annexation & settlements, weapons systems & the Israeli economy. These facts are obvious to anybody alleged to be sentient ... ANY politician daring to speak/promote COMMON SENSE is assassinated or targeted for political exile ... The possibility exists that "Peace" would so wreck the Israeli Economy that Israel will opt for another 4000 years of warfare. I do not believe it is the responsibility of The U.S. to fund it ...
It's interesting that there is clearly a linkage between U.S. demands with those of the PA. In both cases Israel is asked to give up more - more land, more prisoners, more defensive barriers. And in both cases it is never enough. The U.S. gives Egypt the same amount of money as Israel, yet one could not imaging Obama telling Egypt what to do, and acting insulted if they refused. The U.S. overreacted and should have said and done nothing. Israel has the right to build in its own country - that's a no-brainer. It would have been diplomatic to say nothing. But the Obama administration lacks anyone with international experience. This kind of childish reaction is amazing and proves some worst fears, that maybe the U.S. was just setting Israel up, and jumped on the first pretext to weaken its alliance. Foxman is 100% correct in his comments.
So you say the jewish american community do not like the settlements. Since when?? I don't see big rallies outside of the White House denouncing the settlements. Your a hypocrite Mr Foxman, a man who never served one day in his life in the american military. You say not one american is threaten because of our support of Israel do you. How do you know Mr Foxman, a man that never served one day in the american military. Your pretty casual with american lives for your precious "Yisrael". By the way are you more concerned about 'Yisrael" or America?? Seems you devote a lot of your time defending Israel over American interest instead of worrying about anti semitism which is the purpose of your organization. Think you should stick to that instead of getting beyond your charter. You let me know when you get your rally in front of congress and aipac to tell Israel to stop the settlement. Oh I forgot you don't want to be called a " self hating jew" Your nothing but a coward Mr Foxman.
Blame Israel's problems on the US. That's the way to spin the truth. Israel is the cause of Israel's problem and whatever true anti-semitism has arisen (which I am sure we will hear lots more about in these postings to follow). Israel is not grateful for all of the American aid/comfort/loans/cover which has been given for so many years. And, as for the US telling Israel what to do, what has been happening with AIPAC and the ADL and all of the money that has been spent directing America's foreign policy towards Israel's interest? What a crock. Time to stop all assistance to Israel and cut the cord once and for all. Iran is not a threat to the US, and if it is threat to Israel, it is Israel's fault. Israel knows what it must do to have peace. Green Line.
Seems to it's something like... given that solving the Palestinian-Israeli conflict will not solve all the problems of the Middle East, that it won't moreover be the occasion for universal love and peace, why push Israel to end it? Hmmmm...? Perhaps the world should have left South African alone to enjoy its apartheid undisturbed, I mean its demise didn't signal any great improvement for African, let alone mankind. I'm afraid what the confused writer simply doesn't get is that the status quo, especially with major step up in Israeli aggression since 2006, is an affront to decency... certainly a great many US Jews would appear to have had enough, perhaps that helps motivate what appears to be a policy shift in the US (if indeed there is one). Yet frankly one doesn't have to look far for other motivations, only perhaps such are not recognized in Israel which has long become accustomed to only caring that it has US support, the rest of the world be damned!
Let's be clear, there are Americans who happen to be Jews and then there are Jews who happen to live in America. Foxman leads the rabble that is the latter. Perhaps the US should have Lieberman draft an oath of allegiance for us similar for to what he proposed for the Israeli Arabs. Foxman and organizations like the ADL, I fear, will materially damage the reputation and good standing of the majority of patriotic US Jews by linking them to the pariah state of Israel and bring into question their loyalty to the US.
Who is to blame? Is that supposed to be a serious question? Israel and it's arrogant selfish mentality is to blame. It's constant annexing, depriving the native population, yes...the native population, the very people that you Israelis pushed out of their homes...of a normal life. Lets be honest, this whole thing about God promising you land is hogwash. The vast majority of you Israelis are not of middle east decent, but of eastern European decent, converts to be more precise. Here is some simple logic, you take away someones home, make them live like refugee in their own land, oppress them, use collective punishment, kill their children for rock throwing...you better believe I would come after you. It's not terrorism, it's bloody revenge. The terrorist is the Israelis, not the Palestinians. And to think you Jews were smart, guess not!
But it cannot fool the world. The main problem between the west and Muslims is the Palestinian issue and the disgraceful treatment that Israel has been doling out to Palestinians on their own lands for over 60 years. The answer is not in Baghdad or Kabul or anywhere else, the Jerusalem issue and the plight of Palestinians is right in Israel....so please stop deluding yourselves, Israel has lost the moral high ground long ago, now its just carrying on a wounded leg, Bush is no more to help you look the other way while you bludgeon 1100 Palestinians quickly before Obama takes office. Now we have a sensible Sec of State and a noble President who will not agree to Israeli occupation and humiliation of Palestinians. The era of fooling the world is over, hear this loud and clear, all you right wing fanatics in Israel.
If what you write is truly what you believe, then you are clueless! American Jews may stand by and support Israel through a proxy like the US, but we are Americans through and through. It is our support, not just american Jews, but our political leaders and other non-jewish fellow americans which kept Israel on the mideast map. Be assured that we have no issues about our officially elected president and his admin telling Israel what and what not to do, and I'm not the minority in this understanding. The ultra-orthodox and radical settlers disgust us and we have no commonality with these fanatics just as we have no commonality with radical islamists. One in the same to an American Jew, believe me. Get your acts together or we will be even more demanding of our President to resolve the issue for you. You make us look bad, very bad.
Great, Foxman is around to defend the religiorightists and messianics who are taking over Israeli policy rather than standing up for Zionism's humanistic values that created the state in the first place. Adl and Foxman let me be perfectly loud and clear: Though I am a proud Jew and Zionist, You Do Not Represent Me! As you help alienate Israel from it's best Friend, by not seeing the present Israeli reality. Instead we must continue to hear how bad the Arabs are in comparison. Please, with people like you at the helm we will become as bad as the enemies we denigrate.
Palestinians of course!...
What to do. The fig leaf is ripped off of the settlement enterprise. Foxman's advice is wrongheaded